Putin claims Russia created 1st vaccine

[jimnyc]

And that his own daughter has now been inoculated.

I'll believe it when tested. I also don't believe his daughter took it, but rather some less than willing guinea pigs.

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Russia: Putin Approves Coronavirus Vaccine, Claims Daughter Took It

President Vladimir Putin claimed on Tuesday that he approved Russia’s experimental Chinese coronavirus vaccine and the nation was readying mass distribution, alleging that his daughter was one of the test subjects and is feeling well since taking it.

An official claimed that the vaccine still needed to clear Phase Three testing, however, which would place its development behind the leading American-made vaccine.

Russia has documented one of the highest numbers of coronavirus cases and deaths in the world during the pandemic, which began in the Chinese metropolis of Wuhan late last year. At press time, Russia claims to have confirmed 895,691 cases of Chinese coronavirus and slightly over 15,000 deaths.

Russia is one of a number of rogue states — including China itself, Iran, and North Korea — claiming to be developing a vaccine against the Chinese coronavirus. No vaccine currently exists for any known coronavirus, including those responsible for the SARS and MERS outbreaks in the past two decades.

“As far as I know, this morning for the first time in the world a vaccine against the novel coronavirus infection was registered,” Putin proclaimed on Tuesday, according to the Russian news agency TASS. Putin claimed that some who have taken the vaccine “do not have any symptoms at all” and that his daughter was among the experimental patients.

“I know this very well, because one of my daughters got vaccinated, so in this sense, she took part in testing,” he claimed, stating that she developed a fever after both doses of the vaccine, but “after the second shot, she had a slight fever again, and then everything was fine, she is feeling well and has a high [antibody] count.”

Putin did not clarify which of his two daughters, Maria or Katerina, allegedly took the vaccine.

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[Niktt7]

Vladamir Putin and I are gay lovers.

[jimnyc]

Vladamir Putin and I are gay lovers.

Wow, and I thought Putin was a tough guy. But he's a flaming homo instead, who would have known. :coffee:

[Black Diamond]

Wow, and I thought Putin was a tough guy. But he's a flaming homo instead, who would have known. :coffee:

China again??

[jimnyc]

China again??

This one was directly from the "Russian Federation". Russia is great, USA sucks....

[Black Diamond]

This one was directly from the "Russian Federation". Russia is great, USA sucks....

Interestingly putin is not too fond of homosexuality for the dude to talk that way about him. :laugh:

[jimnyc]

Interestingly putin is not too fond of homosexuality for the dude to talk that way about him. :laugh:

From what I'm learning, he acts tough to hide his homosexual ways. Wouldn't be the first. In fact, I heard rumors from many sources that Putin and Kim Jong Un were secret lovers.

[Black Diamond]

From what I'm learning, he acts tough to hide his homosexual ways. Wouldn't be the first. In fact, I heard rumors from many sources that Putin and Kim Jong Un were secret lovers.

:laugh:

[Compserviceone]

Niktt7 which was blocked, it's me. I'm not a bot, I'm just an ordinary dude from Vladivostok who decided to take part in the political discussions.
How surprised I was when my message was deleted and replaced by the statement that I and Putin are gay lovers.
I am very surprised at how much political censorship in your forum, the person who wants to discuss politics is simply taken and blocked...
Is this really happening in America? A country where freedom of speech is above all?
Of course, this post will be deleted or edited... But perhaps someone will read it after all...
The first amendment to the US Constitution seems to be no longer working...

My first comment:

Recently, Russia has been demonstrating growth in medicine, and a powerful scientific base has been created in the USSR. Therefore, the news that the Russians have created a vaccine does not seem surprising and incredible.I would rather use a Russian vaccine than a vaccine created by Bill Gates, I think it is safer

[Compserviceone]

Wow, and I thought Putin was a tough guy. But he's a flaming homo instead, who would have known. :coffee:


What does this have to do with homosexuals? Russians have a normal attitude towards gays, I think from your comments that you are homophobic.

[Compserviceone]

Wow, and I thought Putin was a tough guy. But he's a flaming homo instead, who would have known. :coffee:



Freedom of Speech - This has been, and always will be, the main vision of mine for the community. All points of view are tolerated here, and liberals and conservatives are equally welcome. Members will never be punished in any way because of their political affiliation. Freedom of speech does not mean things can be posted that are detrimental to the board.

LOL

[jimnyc]

Your IP address comes back on TONS of blacklists, and we have bots coming here non-stop and posting.

If you're sincere, you have my apologies. I did ban you and I did alter your post. We're not fond of spammers and bots here. And please understand that it's your IP address that caused an issue and not your post. I'm unsure why your IP address is on so many banned/blacklists. You can contact them directly to have your IP removed if necessary. You can send me a PM and I can show you which ones and how to contact them if you wish.

Again, my apologies, but understand our situation being inundated with fake bots registering & submitting posts. That, and the IP, is what caused the ban.

[jimnyc]

I just unbanned your original account. You have 2 accts now, but please choose only one and use it.

[Niktt7]

Thank you for understanding this issue.
I will use my original account.
I am not going to use your forum for spam, I just want to have discussions on various issues, very respectful and polite.

[jimnyc]

Thank you for understanding this issue.
I will use my original account.
I am not going to use your forum for spam, I just want to have discussions on various issues, very respectful and polite.

Again then, my sincerest apologies.

It sucks when you sometimes end up with a shared IP address of sorts as then an individual can be cross-banned at places for no wrongdoing of their own.


A few of the things that got triggered - for public explanation:

This IP address is owned by ISP ******* **** who are themselves a high risk ISP.
Barracuda Networks has the IP on their blacklist
MegaRBL
NsZones
SpamRats

[Niktt7]

As for the Russian vaccine...
Russia, like the United States, was not completely ready for Coronavirus.
I was in quarantine from February to May, do you know how difficult it is to stay home with my wife and 2 small children?
I do not want to use any vaccine, neither Russian nor produced in the USA.
It has been too little time for the vaccine to pass all stages of testing.
In September, vaccination begins in Russia for doctors who come in contact with coronavirus patients, and if the vaccine turns out to be of poor quality, the first people to feel it will be doctors.
The vaccine will also be given to people over 65 years with severe chronic diseases.
Very soon we will know how effective the vaccine is, if Putin lies about its quality, it will hit his reputation very hard.

[jimnyc]

As for the Russian vaccine...
Russia, like the United States, was not completely ready for Coronavirus.
I was in quarantine from February to May, do you know how difficult it is to stay home with my wife and 2 small children?
I do not want to use any vaccine, neither Russian nor produced in the USA.
It has been too little time for the vaccine to pass all stages of testing.
In September, vaccination begins in Russia for doctors who come in contact with coronavirus patients, and if the vaccine turns out to be of poor quality, the first people to feel it will be doctors.
The vaccine will also be given to people over 65 years with severe chronic diseases.
Very soon we will know how effective the vaccine is, if Putin lies about its quality, it will hit his reputation very hard.

Let me ask you a question. Do you really think Putin had his daughter be one of the first to take that chance? I think it was made to make others think positive - I don't see him taking that chance on a daughter.

And I agree, too quickly from anywhere is not my cup of tea!! I'll wait and let a few other million take any vaccine and watch them before I try it. :laugh:

[Niktt7]

Of course Putin would never use the vaccine first, and I also don't think it is true that his daughter used the coronavirus vaccine.
Presidents have their own doctors, and safety requirements. I don't think the president is the person who will be allowed to be a test rat, rather I will believe that he will be one of the last to use any vaccine!

[jimnyc]

Of course Putin would never use the vaccine first, and I also don't think it is true that his daughter used the coronavirus vaccine.
Presidents have their own doctors, and safety requirements. I don't think the president is the person who will be allowed to be a test rat, rather I will believe that he will be one of the last to use any vaccine!

Ok, so now I fully trust you. Honest answer! :) Unless someone is about to die, I don't see ANY world leader purposely taking a chance on a child.

[Niktt7]

Vaccination is voluntary in Russia. I personally refuse many vaccines for my sons.
But now the situation may change, the government is working on a draft law on mandatory vaccination.
I know that in the USA some religious communities refuse vaccinations, like Amish and Mormon.
Maybe I will have to move to a ranch with my family and a 12-gauge shotgun.?:laugh:

[jimnyc]

Vaccination is voluntary in Russia. I personally refuse many vaccines for my sons.
But now the situation may change, the government is working on a draft law on mandatory vaccination.
I know that in the USA some religious communities refuse vaccinations, like Amish and Mormon.
Maybe I will have to move to a ranch with my family and a 12-gauge shotgun.?:laugh:

We have folks referred to as "Anti-Vaxxers" - who generally speak out about all vaccines and spread many false stories about things vaccines do. Bunch of BS if you ask me, but to each their own.

Fact is - folks that choose not to get vaccinated - therefore have a much much higher chance of getting and/or spreading the virus (or whatever the vaccine is for).

So now others are put into harms way as a result. And while folks have the freedom to choose like that here too - places may not allow admittance or enrollment. Schools for example, especially the lower grades - you must hand in a list of vaccines/dates from your doctor. This helps assure that ALL students are vaccinated. One child that is not can easily get many others sick.

And as I'm sure you know, both children, the elderly & folks with various illnesses already are then put in that much more danger.

So I'm all for vaccines. And while maybe not "forced or mandatory" - I also fully agree with many places forbidding these folks in the name of protecting everyone.

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For example. Suppose there is a virus, and one person decides or refuses to get vaccinated. They then go on vacation, let's say maybe from China to the United States, maybe like New York - and then you may see an outbreak of sorts. And those compromised and such won't be protected.

[jimnyc]

Vaccination is voluntary in Russia

For clarification, it IS voluntary in the USA too. Possible drawbacks if you don't though.

And same as you mentioned there - there is talk of making this vaccine, when found, to also be mandatory.

[Niktt7]

We have folks referred to as "Anti-Vaxxers" - who generally speak out about all vaccines and spread many false stories about things vaccines do. Bunch of BS if you ask me, but to each their own.

Fact is - folks that choose not to get vaccinated - therefore have a much much higher chance of getting and/or spreading the virus (or whatever the vaccine is for).

So now others are put into harms way as a result. And while folks have the freedom to choose like that here too - places may not allow admittance or enrollment. Schools for example, especially the lower grades - you must hand in a list of vaccines/dates from your doctor. This helps assure that ALL students are vaccinated. One child that is not can easily get many others sick.

And as I'm sure you know, both children, the elderly & folks with various illnesses already are then put in that much more danger.

So I'm all for vaccines. And while maybe not "forced or mandatory" - I also fully agree with many places forbidding these folks in the name of protecting everyone.

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For example. Suppose there is a virus, and one person decides or refuses to get vaccinated. They then go on vacation, let's say maybe from China to the United States, maybe like New York - and then you may see an outbreak of sorts. And those compromised and such won't be protected.



I agree, there are questions here.
A person who refuses vaccination should understand that he can harm other people.
A very balanced approach is needed to consider the interests of all parties.

[Gunny]

If Russia has a vaccine, then someone else does. Most all of Russia's technology since October 1917 has been stolen from the West and modified.

[Black Diamond]

If Russia has a vaccine, then someone else does. Most all of Russia's technology since October 1917 has been stolen from the West and modified.

Vodka too? :cool:

[Black Diamond]

I hope there's a vaccine. Doesn't have to come from America. Let's just end this thing.

[Gunny]

Vodka too? :cool:Vodka predates Lenin :).

The short list off the top of my head: The USSR's first intercontinental bomber: An exact copy of a US B-29 that was forced to crash land in Russia that Russia refused to release.

AK-47: Modified rip off of the German sturm-something or another. Kalishnikov modified it to create the simplistic bullet thrower it is so it could be mass produced. The German assault rifle was precision smithed -- a weakness in German armament production.

The atomic bomb.

The YAK fighter the USSR used against the Germans was a P-39 Bell with some cosmetic changes.

Mig-17 a redesign of the F-86 Sabre.

Submarine technology is German.

[Niktt7]

Vodka predates Lenin :).

The short list off the top of my head: The USSR's first intercontinental bomber: An exact copy of a US B-29 that was forced to crash land in Russia that Russia refused to release.

AK-47: Modified rip off of the German sturm-something or another. Kalishnikov modified it to create the simplistic bullet thrower it is so it could be mass produced. The German assault rifle was precision smithed -- a weakness in German armament production.

The atomic bomb.

The YAK fighter the USSR used against the Germans was a P-39 Bell with some cosmetic changes.

Mig-17 a redesign of the F-86 Sabre.

Submarine technology is German.


Sounds fair to what you wrote.
But then why is Russian military equipment of very high quality and sold around the world?
Is all this really stolen? A very simplified view on important things.

[Niktt7]

Russian Foreign Ministry official representative Maria Zakharova commented on the U.S. sanctions against Russian research institutes.


As reported earlier, on Wednesday the United States added five Russian research institutes to the sanctions lists, suspecting them of working on chemical and biological weapons. One of them is the 48th Central Research Institute of the Russian Defense Ministry, which, together with the Gamaleya center, created a vaccine against coronavirus.


USA criticized for sanctions against Russian vaccine developers
Zakharova, in her statement, confirmed that Russian scientists and specialists who were engaged in the development of COVID vaccine were under sanctions.


"It is outrageous, first of all, that the same scientists and specialists who have worked tirelessly over the past few months to develop the Russian vaccine against COVID-19 have fallen under the sanctions," - said, in particular, in her statement, published on the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.


According to her, it is not clear how the U.S. authorities will explain to the American people this attempt to punish people who are successfully working on a cure for a disease that "has already killed more than 180 thousand U.S. citizens. Zakharova doubted that it was the right step to cooperate in the fight against the pandemic.


According to Zakharova, these restrictive measures may be aimed at promoting the interests of U.S. pharmaceutical companies. The official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation also stressed that "as always, there is no evidence of involvement of scientific institutions in chemical and biological weapons programs".

[jimnyc]

What's your thoughts on the sanctions, Niktt7? And any of these places potentially making weapons? As you know, both Russian intelligence and American intelligence are usually pretty good.

Curious as to your input as a Russian - and whether or not ya think this could be happening at any of them?

I've seen many a country in the past use covers to develop weapons. The worst is in Palestine, IMO, where schools and hospitals were used as weapons installations.

[Gunny]

Sounds fair to what you wrote.
But then why is Russian military equipment of very high quality and sold around the world?
Is all this really stolen? A very simplified view on important things.Simple, huh? First, I believe I stated the technology was stolen. That is historical fact.

Second, Russian military equipment used by the Russian military is mass produced but is definitely of higher quality than the stamped-metal junk it sells around the World. I could scroll up and look, but I'm pretty sure I didn't mention quality, just the technology. My comment going to the rather uninventive Russian mind; which, is understandable given that possessing original thought in Russia during the post WWII/Cold War era was seen as a danger to the State and could be a death sentence.

Don't feel too bad though. The Chinese version of the Russian weapons based on stolen technology are absolutely hideous :)

[Gunny]

Russian Foreign Ministry official representative Maria Zakharova commented on the U.S. sanctions against Russian research institutes.


As reported earlier, on Wednesday the United States added five Russian research institutes to the sanctions lists, suspecting them of working on chemical and biological weapons. One of them is the 48th Central Research Institute of the Russian Defense Ministry, which, together with the Gamaleya center, created a vaccine against coronavirus.


USA criticized for sanctions against Russian vaccine developers
Zakharova, in her statement, confirmed that Russian scientists and specialists who were engaged in the development of COVID vaccine were under sanctions.


"It is outrageous, first of all, that the same scientists and specialists who have worked tirelessly over the past few months to develop the Russian vaccine against COVID-19 have fallen under the sanctions," - said, in particular, in her statement, published on the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.


According to her, it is not clear how the U.S. authorities will explain to the American people this attempt to punish people who are successfully working on a cure for a disease that "has already killed more than 180 thousand U.S. citizens. Zakharova doubted that it was the right step to cooperate in the fight against the pandemic.


According to Zakharova, these restrictive measures may be aimed at promoting the interests of U.S. pharmaceutical companies. The official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation also stressed that "as always, there is no evidence of involvement of scientific institutions in chemical and biological weapons programs".


What's your thoughts on the sanctions, Niktt7? And any of these places potentially making weapons? As you know, both Russian intelligence and American intelligence are usually pretty good.

Curious as to your input as a Russian - and whether or not ya think this could be happening at any of them?

I've seen many a country in the past use covers to develop weapons. The worst is in Palestine, IMO, where schools and hospitals were used as weapons installations.I'll tell you what I think:

Can we get a vaccine now and play politics with it later? Is there ANY common sense left out there?

[Niktt7]

Simple, huh? First, I believe I stated the technology was stolen. That is historical fact.

Second, Russian military equipment used by the Russian military is mass produced but is definitely of higher quality than the stamped-metal junk it sells around the World. I could scroll up and look, but I'm pretty sure I didn't mention quality, just the technology. My comment going to the rather uninventive Russian mind; which, is understandable given that possessing original thought in Russia during the post WWII/Cold War era was seen as a danger to the State and could be a death sentence.

Don't feel too bad though. The Chinese version of the Russian weapons based on stolen technology are absolutely hideous :)


It is reasonable. The USSR did steal technology, but there were a lot of scientific discoveries and a powerful scientific school.
To start mass production of a stolen computer, one needs high technologies.
As for China... China still continues to steal technologies.
America's monstrous mistake was to locate plants of the largest American corporations in China.
China has become America's number one geopolitical enemy.
China also produces Russian weapons, it is true.

[Niktt7]

I'll tell you what I think:

Can we get a vaccine now and play politics with it later? Is there ANY common sense left out there?


A country that offers the world a quality vaccine will earn a lot of money.
American companies have already invested billions of dollars in the development of the vaccine, and they are calculating this money back, it is a business.
Russia with its vaccine is becoming a competitor to the United States, the vaccine sales business is a very profitable business.
It is not only an economic issue, but also a political one.

[Niktt7]

What's your thoughts on the sanctions, Niktt7? And any of these places potentially making weapons? As you know, both Russian intelligence and American intelligence are usually pretty good.

Curious as to your input as a Russian - and whether or not ya think this could be happening at any of them?

I've seen many a country in the past use covers to develop weapons. The worst is in Palestine, IMO, where schools and hospitals were used as weapons installations.

Potentially, biological weapons can be produced by anyone. But in order to impose international sanctions, evidence is needed.
Remember when Colin Powell came to the UN with evidence that Iraq has chemical weapons?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTeJWQMpX0E.
The American invasion of Iraq caused the death of 100,000 civilians.
Unfortunately, sanctions are a means for politicians to achieve their goals, and the trail seems to be in favor of pharmaceutical companies.
I have a question for you.
Do you think the USA should be a world policeman? Does the US need military bases around the world?

[jimnyc]

A country that offers the world a quality vaccine will earn a lot of money.
American companies have already invested billions of dollars in the development of the vaccine, and they are calculating this money back, it is a business.
Russia with its vaccine is becoming a competitor to the United States, the vaccine sales business is a very profitable business.
It is not only an economic issue, but also a political one.

Yeps. And tons have already created delivery systems by the hundreds of millions in preparation for a vaccine. What would normally take years though, folks are now looking for a miracle 8-9 months after the virus was exposed, and less than that before it was sequenced.

I understand that Russia is now testing approximately 30,000 with the new vaccine? Do you know more for us about that? Clinical trials usually start with animals, then tiny groups in stage 1-2, then a moderate amount in phase 2 - and then the one that counts before delivery, I believe is phase 3, which can be the same, anywhere from 30,000 or so up to like 200,000. Then if it gets passing grades - out comes the vaccine. And yes, that's gonna make one or 2 of these companies an awful lot of $$.

Do you think Russia is this far already trying to gain the upper hand in that department of making money? I think Russia, UK, China and the USA have some sort of preliminary vaccine out by the end of the year or by mid 2021 the very very latest.

My concern is the quality. I think what is rushed out won't be nearly effective enough to put this thing away. But I do think that is found within a few more years.

[jimnyc]

Do you think the USA should be a world policeman? Does the US need military bases around the world?

We help ANY country in the world that needs it. Even our citizens will pour out money into donations and such when another country may have a disaster and needs relief - even if that be Russia or Japan or China.

And yep, we do get involved in confrontations out there. That comes with being the most powerful country in the world. That's a responsibility to sometimes help those who may not necessarily be able to help themselves.

And sometimes, if a nation is in danger, or being systematically killed by a neighboring country, or a country themselves is doing so. Or if a country not just has a dictator in charge - but a far far deadly one.

And don't think for a moment that things could have been on intelligence within Iraq - only to have them removed or moved and hidden elsewhere. Literally a COUPLE THOUSAND TONS of chemical weapons were accounted for. Both Iraq and UN inspectors knew about them. They were tagged and were going to be destroyed. Then Iraq kicks them out..... then when they were allowed to return a few years later - those weapons were gone and never never to be seen again. Questions like that one and many others folks seem to forget.

[Black Diamond]

Potentially, biological weapons can be produced by anyone. But in order to impose international sanctions, evidence is needed.
Remember when Colin Powell came to the UN with evidence that Iraq has chemical weapons?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTeJWQMpX0E.
The American invasion of Iraq caused the death of 100,000 civilians.
Unfortunately, sanctions are a means for politicians to achieve their goals, and the trail seems to be in favor of pharmaceutical companies.
I have a question for you.
Do you think the USA should be a world policeman? Does the US need military bases around the world?

Hi Balu..

[Gunny]

It is reasonable. The USSR did steal technology, but there were a lot of scientific discoveries and a powerful scientific school.
To start mass production of a stolen computer, one needs high technologies.
As for China... China still continues to steal technologies.
America's monstrous mistake was to locate plants of the largest American corporations in China.
China has become America's number one geopolitical enemy.
China also produces Russian weapons, it is true.One does not need "high technology" to mass produce stolen technology. Merely the ability to duplicate. Duplication in manufacturing is generally a mechanical skill.

To modify, one would need to possess some technological ability, but not at the same level inventing from ideal/paper to reality does. Either way, I mentioned technology the USSR stole, and gave some examples. I did not state Russia was without its own technology nor schools. So let's move on past this part.

"America" did not locate plants anywhere. Businessmen did. Businessmen are more concerned with profit than patriotism. Personally, I disagree with that practice and would have laws to stop it. Then I would have to also have laws to stop the left in our country from taxing corporations so heavily it is in their best interest and sometimes for their own survival to leave. American corporations did not relocate for no reason. Progressive left politics harms US industry as much as it harms everything else it touches.

I hate to make you feel second best, but China has always been more of a threat to the US than Russia. Politics and the media dictated otherwise. But make no mistake, Russia meddling with Islamic nations aside, China has always been the biggest threat to Russia (since WWII) and still is.

[Gunny]

A country that offers the world a quality vaccine will earn a lot of money.
American companies have already invested billions of dollars in the development of the vaccine, and they are calculating this money back, it is a business.
Russia with its vaccine is becoming a competitor to the United States, the vaccine sales business is a very profitable business.
It is not only an economic issue, but also a political one.I don't disagree with most of that as it is being played out. Ideally, I could give a rat's ass who discovers a vaccine. Discover one, save the World from the Chinese flu, and I'll be sure and make a post that a Russian vaccine saved the world. See what that's worth?

I find the virus annoying, inconvenient and being misused for political purposes instead of somebody -- anybody -- doing something to benefit humanity as a whole. That makes for shitty people, in my opinion. And there are lots of them.

[Gunny]

Hi Balu..If this is Balu, he's taken a reasonable pill since last here. With me anyway. I really don't have much issue with Russians being pro-Russia. Be kind of hypocritical of any one of us, don't you think? To knock a patriot?

That's not to say I have problem with calling them out on BS propaganda either :)

In the case of the China virus, it isn't just hurting the US. It's hurting the World. Those capable and with the means to do so need to help end this crap for all concerned so we can get back to pissing on each other over trivial BS like we always have.

[Black Diamond]

If this is Balu, he's taken a reasonable pill since last here. With me anyway. I really don't have much issue with Russians being pro-Russia. Be kind of hypocritical of any one of us, don't you think? To knock a patriot?

That's not to say I have problem with calling them out on BS propaganda either :)

In the case of the China virus, it isn't just hurting the US. It's hurting the World. Those capable and with the means to do so need to help end this crap for all concerned so we can get back to pissing on each other over trivial BS like we always have.

I don't have a problem with Russians being pro Russia either. Hell maybe he could teach some leftists and youngsters here about patriotism. I just remember balu taunting us with the Colon Bowel WMD picture like this dude is. See if he starts putting folks on ignore...

[Niktt7]

I don't have a problem with Russians being pro Russia either. Hell maybe he could teach some leftists and youngsters here about patriotism. I just remember balu taunting us with the Colon Bowel WMD picture like this dude is. See if he starts putting folks on ignore...

Who is Balu?

[Niktt7]

I don't have a problem with Russians being pro Russia either. Hell maybe he could teach some leftists and youngsters here about patriotism. I just remember balu taunting us with the Colon Bowel WMD picture like this dude is. See if he starts putting folks on ignore...


Please don't just think that I don't like America.
I really like America, the old American movies of the 40s and 60s.
But it seems to me that "old America" was better. America that had traditional values, America where there were large, friendly families.
America has changed a lot over the last 20 years, and those changes are not for the better. You may not agree with me, but I think so.

[jimnyc]

Btw, for others - this isn't Balu. A new friendly Russian is all. :)


Please don't just think that I don't like America.
I really like America, the old American movies of the 40s and 60s.
But it seems to me that "old America" was better. America that had traditional values, America where there were large, friendly families.
America has changed a lot over the last 20 years, and those changes are not for the better. You may not agree with me, but I think so.

DO NOT fall for our media, and/or from those who hate us.

For example, right now in America the majority of our media is horrible. All liars and proven so. Political hatred have turned them away from the truth. They have went from updating America on all the news daily, and then some political stuff. Then closer to elections they would have more coverage. But the only time you would see someone on the news taking sides - would be guests, or pundits, or shows after the news. Some may have taken sides, but the news was impartial, and they at least acted impartial when they spoke to Americans.

Something happened over the years. They went slowly from impartial to extremely partial. More and more of the news turned to politics, and they started telling us less and less of the regular news they used to have coverage of. And they also started telling the news in a manner with an agenda. Omitting news they didn't like, and then lying or changing the story of other things. Then ignore negative things from the left/Democrats up to and including crimes. For example - right now it's Trump vs Biden for the presidency. Biden has made many mistakes already. Just trust me. But they won't cover any negativity, nothing that may bring potential harm to his presidential campaign.

And I still think that the majority of Americans still have those old traditional values, and are still fighting to keep them. And many values you literally cannot take away. Many of us here too also would love to see the rest go back to those values of the 40's and 50's!!

But not our democrats, not those on the left. They think and support that their are 56 different genders. Men are ok in women's rest rooms. Prisoners and illegal citizens should have the "right" to vote and more. Any depiction of religion MUST disappear from all public view. If you say you know America from the past 20 years, and many changes are not for the better - you are watching the new Democrats and all they represent. That's the truth of the matter. Speak of American values and American ways of life - name the things you have heard about in Russia that are negative - and I'll be the overwhelming majority of things are democrat supported and leftist agendas and changes.

[Black Diamond]

Btw, for others - this isn't Balu. A new friendly Russian is all. :)



DO NOT fall for our media, and/or from those who hate us.

For example, right now in America the majority of our media is horrible. All liars and proven so. Political hatred have turned them away from the truth. They have went from updating America on all the news daily, and then some political stuff. Then closer to elections they would have more coverage. But the only time you would see someone on the news taking sides - would be guests, or pundits, or shows after the news. Some may have taken sides, but the news was impartial, and they at least acted impartial when they spoke to Americans.

Something happened over the years. They went slowly from impartial to extremely partial. More and more of the news turned to politics, and they started telling us less and less of the regular news they used to have coverage of. And they also started telling the news in a manner with an agenda. Omitting news they didn't like, and then lying or changing the story of other things. Then ignore negative things from the left/Democrats up to and including crimes. For example - right now it's Trump vs Biden for the presidency. Biden has made many mistakes already. Just trust me. But they won't cover any negativity, nothing that may bring potential harm to his presidential campaign.

And I still think that the majority of Americans still have those old traditional values, and are still fighting to keep them. And many values you literally cannot take away. Many of us here too also would love to see the rest go back to those values of the 40's and 50's!!

But not our democrats, not those on the left. They think and support that their are 56 different genders. Men are ok in women's rest rooms. Prisoners and illegal citizens should have the "right" to vote and more. Any depiction of religion MUST disappear from all public view. If you say you know America from the past 20 years, and many changes are not for the better - you are watching the new Democrats and all they represent. That's the truth of the matter. Speak of American values and American ways of life - name the things you have heard about in Russia that are negative - and I'll be the overwhelming majority of things are democrat supported and leftist agendas and changes.

Yeah he doesn't sound like him but the colon Bowel wmd picture made me wonder

[Gunny]

I don't have a problem with Russians being pro Russia either. Hell maybe he could teach some leftists and youngsters here about patriotism. I just remember balu taunting us with the Colon Bowel WMD picture like this dude is. See if he starts putting folks on ignore...


Yeah he doesn't sound like him but the colon Bowel wmd picture made me wonderThis is how a Balu thread would go:

"You inferior Americans are just jealous that Mother Russia got the vaccine first. Stupid Sergeant.":laugh:

[Gunny]

here's an idea: If this is true, think of the PR move Putin could make giving it away. That would almost genius, IMO. Vladimir Putin, President of Russia, humanitarian, Nobel Peace Prize winner ...

He'll sell it :laugh:

[Black Diamond]

here's an idea: If this is true, think of the PR move Putin could make giving it away. That would almost genius, IMO. Vladimir Putin, President of Russia, humanitarian, Nobel Peace Prize winner ...

He'll sell it :laugh:

Given the fact Obama and arafat have won the award, I am open to putin... :cool:

[Niktt7]

As far as I understand Balu, this is some Russian who has been on this discussion platform before, he wrote something very funny, so funny that you can't forget it until now.
If I am wrong, correct me.

[Niktt7]

Btw, for others - this isn't Balu. A new friendly Russian is all. :)



DO NOT fall for our media, and/or from those who hate us.

For example, right now in America the majority of our media is horrible. All liars and proven so. Political hatred have turned them away from the truth. They have went from updating America on all the news daily, and then some political stuff. Then closer to elections they would have more coverage. But the only time you would see someone on the news taking sides - would be guests, or pundits, or shows after the news. Some may have taken sides, but the news was impartial, and they at least acted impartial when they spoke to Americans.

Something happened over the years. They went slowly from impartial to extremely partial. More and more of the news turned to politics, and they started telling us less and less of the regular news they used to have coverage of. And they also started telling the news in a manner with an agenda. Omitting news they didn't like, and then lying or changing the story of other things. Then ignore negative things from the left/Democrats up to and including crimes. For example - right now it's Trump vs Biden for the presidency. Biden has made many mistakes already. Just trust me. But they won't cover any negativity, nothing that may bring potential harm to his presidential campaign.

And I still think that the majority of Americans still have those old traditional values, and are still fighting to keep them. And many values you literally cannot take away. Many of us here too also would love to see the rest go back to those values of the 40's and 50's!!

But not our democrats, not those on the left. They think and support that their are 56 different genders. Men are ok in women's rest rooms. Prisoners and illegal citizens should have the "right" to vote and more. Any depiction of religion MUST disappear from all public view. If you say you know America from the past 20 years, and many changes are not for the better - you are watching the new Democrats and all they represent. That's the truth of the matter. Speak of American values and American ways of life - name the things you have heard about in Russia that are negative - and I'll be the overwhelming majority of things are democrat supported and leftist agendas and changes.


Well said. Now I understand that in the US everything is not at all the same as your media or hostile media like Russia Today.
Although it's worth saying that Russia Today doesn't make up stories at all, they do show the truth, but maybe they just choose carefully what to show, it causes a distortion of reality.
In the information field, America often appears as a bulwark of sinfulness, a place where gays and lesbians have become the norm, where marriages are contracted between men and women marry women.
Russia is a country very similar to America in the 30s and 40s. I can see it in old American films, Russia is like America in the past.
In Russia, for example, it's not customary to snitch on neighbours, they prefer to solve the issue between themselves.
Russians do not like the propaganda of homosexuality, although gays and lesbians are treated normally in our country.
It is not customary to talk about it, but if you are gay, no one will hurt you.
But nobody is ready to accept it as the norm, rather as an illness, and the sick should be treated with understanding and sympathy.
Thank you for expressing your opinion, you are a smart person, it is interesting to listen to you.

[jimnyc]

here's an idea: If this is true, think of the PR move Putin could make giving it away. That would almost genius, IMO. Vladimir Putin, President of Russia, humanitarian, Nobel Peace Prize winner ...

He'll sell it :laugh:

IF he ever did that, he would gain much more respect and support from me! Same would go with a company or leader here in America. But with billions on the line, THAT will never happen! Money does thing to people. That's why I knew hospitals and doctors would "lie" a "little" about covid and ventilators - because someone thought a great idea to give them $13-$52k for doing so. I don't care where it is in this world, offer money for things and abuse and greed will follow.


As far as I understand Balu, this is some Russian who has been on this discussion platform before, he wrote something very funny, so funny that you can't forget it until now.
If I am wrong, correct me.

A decent Russian fellow that spent some time with us. But he wasn't as willing to discuss things with is. YOU like America, and see that we too like Russia - but that the media is more harmful, as is propaganda - but the "people" are more similar than we think. - Balu was an OK guy - but pushed upon us how great Russia's might is, better than the USA, and better at everything, and if you questioned or pointed out negative things about Russia - he placed you on ignore. WAS a decent and nice guy discussing regular everyday things.


Well said. Now I understand that in the US everything is not at all the same as your media or hostile media like Russia Today.
Although it's worth saying that Russia Today doesn't make up stories at all, they do show the truth, but maybe they just choose carefully what to show, it causes a distortion of reality.
In the information field, America often appears as a bulwark of sinfulness, a place where gays and lesbians have become the norm, where marriages are contracted between men and women marry women.
Russia is a country very similar to America in the 30s and 40s. I can see it in old American films, Russia is like America in the past.
In Russia, for example, it's not customary to snitch on neighbours, they prefer to solve the issue between themselves.
Russians do not like the propaganda of homosexuality, although gays and lesbians are treated normally in our country.
It is not customary to talk about it, but if you are gay, no one will hurt you.
But nobody is ready to accept it as the norm, rather as an illness, and the sick should be treated with understanding and sympathy.
Thank you for expressing your opinion, you are a smart person, it is interesting to listen to you.

Nope, and I am aware that many Russian citizens are not like what some media will tell you, or anyone in government will tell you. Like so many other things, I judge things individually. Come here and be respectful as you have been, and talk and discuss with us, then you are one of us. :)

DEMOCRATS and LIBERALS are those that changed America in the past 20 years, demanded tolerance of all kinds of backward things. Changed laws and made gay marriage legal and "normal". Changed laws so that transgender people can use whatever bathroom of their choice, even in schools. So, send a daughter to high school in some places, and she may have a guy walk in while she's getting changed and do the same with her.

And look, I have no problem with folks who choose to be different. Wanna be gay or transgender? Your choice not mine. But when they exposed it to school bathrooms, public bathrooms and "forcing" changes upon society, that was too far for me - and MANY others. So don't think it's the norm in America, it's not.

Hit the middle of America and many other states, and you'll still see that America similar to the 40's-50's, and still holding those values & much more. -- But it's when you hit places like New York or California - huge Democrat populated states - that's where that change has been mainly.

Most would rather settle issues man to man, or in a neighborly fashion. Not gone completely here either. Not everyone calls the police, or takes videos and demand people get fired. :rolleyes:

The propaganda about homosexuals in America, now LBGTQ as they call it, and apparently 56 different genders.... Yup, it's here and in many areas. But I assure you that there are likely just as many against, even if quiet about it. No need for me to go out and condemn and/or judge others. Just not for me, no way no how! And yep, it's been normalized here too.

So don't think all of that is lost in America - just like I can't imagine every single Russian is a vodka drunk, or communist, or this and that. Many millions of us left that are conservative, prefer those old fashioned values, have a strong belief in God & family.

[Gunny]

As far as I understand Balu, this is some Russian who has been on this discussion platform before, he wrote something very funny, so funny that you can't forget it until now.
If I am wrong, correct me.Balu is an old school Soviet mouthpiece. He was "funny" only in his absurdity. He sounded like a 50s-70s Kremlin propaganda film. No, he sounded like an American, Hollywood representation of an old, Cold War, Soviet style knucklehead. Everything was cliche. And yeah, he made me laugh. At him. He was dead serious.

[Niktt7]

Balu is an old school Soviet mouthpiece. He was "funny" only in his absurdity. He sounded like a 50s-70s Kremlin propaganda film. No, he sounded like an American, Hollywood representation of an old, Cold War, Soviet style knucklehead. Everything was cliche. And yeah, he made me laugh. At him. He was dead serious.


Yes, I understand. It's fun to watch. If you talked to a fierce North Korean communist, then I think you would die of laughter.
I was lucky to meet such a person once in Vladivostok, the Communist Party of North Korea sends them as workers to extract currency for the country, they are engaged in construction and repair - as workers.
They wear badges with the image of the leader on their clothes - this is a must.
In general, the guys are funny, highly recommended).

[Gunny]

Yes, I understand. It's fun to watch. If you talked to a fierce North Korean communist, then I think you would die of laughter.
I was lucky to meet such a person once in Vladivostok, the Communist Party of North Korea sends them as workers to extract currency for the country, they are engaged in construction and repair - as workers.
They wear badges with the image of the leader on their clothes - this is a must.
In general, the guys are funny, highly recommended).I was never impressed with North Koreans. I did not have the opportunity to meet any in person/on a personal level. I have noted in the many foreign (to me) countries I have lived/visited, if you bother to get to know people, the average every day person is pretty much the same everywhere. Just a dog trying to get a bone :)

Question: Are you folks over there running around wearing face masks like we are? Hope you didn't buy them from China based on proximity :laugh:

[Niktt7]

I was never impressed with North Koreans. I did not have the opportunity to meet any in person/on a personal level. I have noted in the many foreign (to me) countries I have lived/visited, if you bother to get to know people, the average every day person is pretty much the same everywhere. Just a dog trying to get a bone :)

Question: Are you folks over there running around wearing face masks like we are? Hope you didn't buy them from China based on proximity :laugh:


Yes, we wear Chinese masks! At first, after the beginning of the pandemic, it was simply impossible to buy masks, and the prices were very high, but masks have an extremely low level of protection.
If I need to visit a public place where there are many people in one room, I wear a respirator with a high level of protection against small particles and viruses.
In stores and public places, it is possible to enter only with masks, but not everywhere this rule is respected, not only by the dudes who must wear masks, but also by the store management and other public places.
Russians have such an interesting word "Avos".
An avos is a conscious failure to follow the rules and instructions in the hope that you will be lucky and nothing will happen, for example, nobody will get infected if you are not wearing a mask, or if you decide to drive drunk, anything.
If people consciously wore masks, there would be much less illness... I hope....

[jimnyc]

Yes, we wear Chinese masks! At first, after the beginning of the pandemic, it was simply impossible to buy masks, and the prices were very high, but masks have an extremely low level of protection.
If I need to visit a public place where there are many people in one room, I wear a respirator with a high level of protection against small particles and viruses.
In stores and public places, it is possible to enter only with masks, but not everywhere this rule is respected, not only by the dudes who must wear masks, but also by the store management and other public places.
Russians have such an interesting word "Avos".
An avos is a conscious failure to follow the rules and instructions in the hope that you will be lucky and nothing will happen, for example, nobody will get infected if you are not wearing a mask, or if you decide to drive drunk, anything.
If people consciously wore masks, there would be much less illness... I hope....

The chinese kn-95 masks aren't all that bad for general use, just certainly not for hospitals and not for full medical protection as the Chinese would have you believe. The best way is with an N95 or equivalent or better, and seems like that's what you have if you're calling it a respirator. As you point out, they're the only ones rated for certain micron sizes of bacteria and viruses, and pollen and other crap.

[jimnyc]

Niktt7

Is your name "Nick" or anything we can call ya besides your username? Or Nik maybe?

Have a question.

The few Russian gents that posted with us, seemed to come attracted to any threads posted about Russia. Ok, makes sense. We're Americans, and your news will likely look a lot different. Or sometimes to correct something that may be posted. I get all the reasons to hit such a thread, or creation of a new one about Russia. I would assume you know much more about Russia than any of us here. :) And sometimes we have questions of folks alike, and asking info we know we otherwise wouldn't get. So absolutely nothing wrong with all of that, and in fact it's great for ALL of us to learn more about other countries and one another!

But with that said, these few folks seemed only interested in Russia, and posting stories about Russia, almost as if they worked with the government at times, trying to spread propaganda or whatever. And again, nothing wrong with posting about "home", that's just natural. But I do hope you participate in other threads, Post threads yourself of interest. Don't matter if you don't know the issues we post about, as we have no problem if explaining something AND it's great yet again to get a foreign perspective on things.

In addition to political threads, Russia stuff, tons and tons of stuff about politics and daily news events. Scroll down more and you'll see the "Lounge" section, and that's where we post fun stuff, share everyday things & stuff that isn't political - but more on a fun and personal level. In other words, we don't bite. :)

[Niktt7]

@Niktt7 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=4221)

Is your name "Nick" or anything we can call ya besides your username? Or Nik maybe?

Have a question.

The few Russian gents that posted with us, seemed to come attracted to any threads posted about Russia. Ok, makes sense. We're Americans, and your news will likely look a lot different. Or sometimes to correct something that may be posted. I get all the reasons to hit such a thread, or creation of a new one about Russia. I would assume you know much more about Russia than any of us here. :) And sometimes we have questions of folks alike, and asking info we know we otherwise wouldn't get. So absolutely nothing wrong with all of that, and in fact it's great for ALL of us to learn more about other countries and one another!

But with that said, these few folks seemed only interested in Russia, and posting stories about Russia, almost as if they worked with the government at times, trying to spread propaganda or whatever. And again, nothing wrong with posting about "home", that's just natural. But I do hope you participate in other threads, Post threads yourself of interest. Don't matter if you don't know the issues we post about, as we have no problem if explaining something AND it's great yet again to get a foreign perspective on things.

In addition to political threads, Russia stuff, tons and tons of stuff about politics and daily news events. Scroll down more and you'll see the "Lounge" section, and that's where we post fun stuff, share everyday things & stuff that isn't political - but more on a fun and personal level. In other words, we don't bite. :)


Yes, I understand! I will be glad to take part in other discussions, all the more so if I have something to talk about.
This post about Putin's vaccine has exhausted itself.
I don't work for the government and I don't do propaganda, but I am interested in ordinary Americans learning more about Russia, and I want to learn more about America from ordinary people.
You can call me Nik! That's my friends' name, my Russian name is Nikolai.

[jimnyc]

Yes, I understand! I will be glad to take part in other discussions, all the more so if I have something to talk about.
This post about Putin's vaccine has exhausted itself.
I don't work for the government and I don't do propaganda, but I am interested in ordinary Americans learning more about Russia, and I want to learn more about America from ordinary people.
You can call me Nik! That's my friends' name, my Russian name is Nikolai.

Cool, look forward to having you around more with us. :thumb: