Kamala Harris it is

[jimnyc]

Breaking News:

Biden picks Kamala Harris as VP nominee

Harris, the daughter of immigrants from Jamaica and India, was the wire-to-wire frontrunner for Biden’s No. 2 job.

Joe Biden has selected Sen. Kamala Harris to be his running mate, elevating a charismatic blue-state senator, former prosecutor and onetime 2020 primary rival who has built a reputation as an unyielding antagonist of the Trump administration.

Harris, the daughter of immigrants from Jamaica and India, was the wire-to-wire frontrunner for Biden’s No. 2 job. Her experience as a battle-tested presidential contender, her efforts leading major law enforcement offices and her political track record of three election wins in California helped her overcome a crowded list of contenders.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/11/joe-biden-vp-pick-kamala-harris-393768

[Kathianne]

For the moment, Trump is leading by 2.2 in AZ according to Trafalgar.

Here's something for jimnyc:

https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/08/11/joe-biden-picks-his-running-mate-and-its-a-head-scratcher-n776999

[Kathianne]

https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/08/11/5-things-to-know-about-bidens-vp-pick-kamala-harris-n776833

[Abbey Marie]

Harris called Biden a racist.

:laugh:

[hjmick]

Well... that pick won't convince me to vote for Biden...

Jo Jorgensen it is...


I will say this though, someone (probably several someones) did a mighty fine job of scrubbing her Wikipedia page. If one was not familiar with Kamala Harris, one would be inclined to believe that she has never been touched by controversy during the entire length of her career...

[LongTermGuy]

...Biden’s choice of Kamala Harris brings seriousness to his campaign...............

Sound On:;)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1293286793106751488

[hjmick]

You know...

I'm going to be honest...

I've made no secret of the fact that I can't and won't vote for Trump. I've made no secret of the fact that Biden is not my guy either, but figuring that he probably will not serve an entire four years, I left the door slightly ajar just in case his VP pick was someone of quality I could support. Harris isn't that person...




Another thing, Biden pulls this off, and I think he will, it's AR time. I don't need one, I don't even really want one, but I'll be damned if someone is going to take away my right to own one, and if anyone is going to do that, it'll be these two... in my opinion.

[LongTermGuy]

You know...

I'm going to be honest...

I've made no secret of the fact that I can't and won't vote for Trump. I've made no secret of the fact that Biden is not my guy either, but figuring that he probably will not serve an entire four years, I left the door slightly ajar just in case his VP pick was someone of quality I could support. Harris isn't that person...




Another thing, Biden pulls this off, and I think he will, it's AR time. I don't need one, I don't even really want one, but I'll be damned if someone is going to take away my right to own one, and if anyone is going to do that, it'll be these two... in my opinion.


"Vote for me ( BTW...we will take House & Senate).....and you wouldn't have to worry about all that nonsense or go through it..."
https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.h_K0Qj5QQmSjdIt2a2wptAHaD-&pid=Api&P=0&w=351&h=189

[hjmick]

"Vote for me ( BTW...we will take House & Senate).....and you wouldn't have to worry about all that nonsense or go through it..."
https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.h_K0Qj5QQmSjdIt2a2wptAHaD-&pid=Api&P=0&w=351&h=189


I... I just can't.

[Kathianne]

I... I just can't.
If the dems started acting half normal, I’d be with you again. Hillary was awful, they’ve gotten worse and there are more bad now.

[icansayit]

Belong together as the appeasement team for the BLM-DNC-ANTIFA-OBAMA crooks who are all Under Investigations of some kind.

Harris should become Joe's Lawyer for the Ukraine and China Bribery Cases, and Hillary should become Harris' Lawyer for her proven violations of law during her tenure as A.G. in Californication.

[Mr. P]

I... I just can't.

Damn, Mick....think of the future under the LEFT !

[Mr. P]

I... I just can't.

Damn, Mick....think of the future under the LEFT !

[KarlMarx]

Kamala Harris is like Hillary Clinton....

Except not as likable

She is a slick, opportunistic, phony baloney who can say nothing and take an hour to do it. She can kill you and smile while she’s doing it

She will do anything or say anything to get what she wants.. including sleeping with a married man (Willy Brown)...

Yeah, a real piece of work

[pete311]

Kamala Harris is like Hillary Clinton....

Except not as likable

She is a slick, opportunistic, phony baloney who can say nothing and take an hour to do it. She can kill you and smile while she’s doing it

She will do anything or say anything to get what she wants.. including sleeping with a married man (Willy Brown)...

Yeah, a real piece of work

Funny, I thought this is what you liked about Trump

[NightTrain]

This will be very funny watching Biden's campaign reconcile the anti-police stance with Kamela's record putting away minorities as DA.

I remember quite a stink about that as the primaries were getting underway.

She's dirty, but at least she's not insufferably stupid like most of those VP contenders.

At any rate, I'm looking forward to the thumping that the Donald is going to deliver on stage to the senile buffoon and end this farce of a campaign.

[Mr. P]

.....

At any rate, I'm looking forward to the thumping that the Donald is going to deliver on stage to the senile buffoon and end this farce of a campaign.

Same for me although I don't think there will be an onstage debate.

[Mr. P]

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[LongTermGuy]

This will be very funny watching Biden's campaign reconcile the anti-police stance with Kamela's record putting away minorities as DA.

I remember quite a stink about that as the primaries were getting underway.

She's dirty, but at least she's not insufferably stupid like most of those VP contenders.

At any rate, I'm looking forward to the thumping that the Donald is going to deliver on stage to the senile buffoon and end this farce of a campaign.

10-4 Brotha!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfLdeuzWoAEiokH?format=jpg&name=large

[LongTermGuy]

"put parents in jail for children skipping school – and laughed about it"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WImAEf7D8Ss&feature=emb_logo

More Info on her if interested...
https://kamalaharris.info/

[jimnyc]

Same for me although I don't think there will be an onstage debate.

Me too. I think they figure a way out altogether, or minimize it down to one if possible.

[Black Diamond]

Biden will lose. Then the finger-pointing will begin. Along with the crying.

[Abbey Marie]

This will be very funny watching Biden's campaign reconcile the anti-police stance with Kamela's record putting away minorities as DA.

I remember quite a stink about that as the primaries were getting underway.

She's dirty, but at least she's not insufferably stupid like most of those VP contenders.

At any rate, I'm looking forward to the thumping that the Donald is going to deliver on stage to the senile buffoon and end this farce of a campaign.

Im just glad it’s not Fauxcahontas.

[icansayit]

Biden will lose. Then the finger-pointing will begin. Along with the crying.



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[LongTermGuy]

"Kamala Harris: Young People Are ‘Stupid’ — ‘They Make Really Bad Decisions"
....Cable news pundits claimed on Tuesday night that Kamala Harris could help to motivate young voters, but a speech from 2014 may prove to make that objective more difficult.

Video also:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/12/kamala-harris-young-people-are-stupid-they-make-really-bad-decisions/

[Kathianne]

https://babylonbee.com/news/kamala-harris-humbled-to-have-been-chosen-exclusively-for-her-race-gender


Kamala Harris Humbled To Have Been Chosen Exclusively For Her Race, Gender
August 12th, 2020


U.S.—In a tearful "thank-you" to Joe Biden this week, Kamala Harris expressed how deeply humbled she was to have been chosen for VP based solely on her race and her gender. According to sources in the Democrat Party, Harris has both the required number of chromosomes in her cells, and also the right amount of melanin in the epidermis that protects her internal organs.




"My woman-ness and my black-ness are by far my two best qualities," said Harris. "As it turns out, I've been qualified to run for VP since birth!"

...

[SassyLady]

https://babylonbee.com/news/kamala-harris-humbled-to-have-been-chosen-exclusively-for-her-race-gender

Great ... Trump, Biden annnnddd Harris are prone to saying stupid things.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I... I just can't.

I just can't, ever vote for a worthless, democrat, or liberal, or socialist maggot...--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Great ... Trump, Biden annnnddd Harris are prone to saying stupid things.
True, but of the cited trio, Trump is the one far, far less prone to==doing== stupid things..- :laugh:-Tyr

[hjmick]

I just can't, ever vote for a worthless, democrat, or liberal, or socialist maggot...--Tyr


Did I give you the impression that I was going to vote for a Democrat, a Liberal, or a Socialist? Just because I can't vote for that joke of a human being currently occupying the Oval Office doesn't mean I'm voting Biden.

[jimnyc]

I know folks vote on their beliefs and that's that, and honorable to do so. I know some will vote say democrat, republican, libertarian... year after year and the nominee matters not. Sometimes folks vote for someone so as not to vote for another. All their own reasoning and everyone should respect the vote of another.

I just point out this - Hillary in 2016. And now Biden and the unknown in 2020.

Hillary is a criminal as far as I'm concerned and would have damaged our nation. Now, lots have changed. Lots of crazy times in America. The socialists and far left liberalism is gaining steam on the democrat side. And while I voted Trump in 2016 as my first choice, I would have voted for a rock if that were the republican running against her, simply knowing for now our 2 party system for what it is, and what the alternative was.

And IMO, that stands for today and then some. I think the left taking over, right now, would be disastrous for America. And more so depending on congress. While Trump is still my choice, I would be voting for that rock again if not. If the alternative is what I think it is, and it is, then primary goal is keeping them out. And I "feel" as if my vote helps make that happen easier by voting with the front-runner on the republican side. I say I "feel" that way, as this I know is my opinion and how I feel only.

I am NOT trying to sway anyone to do as I do. If someone speaks out that they are voting libertarian or another party - I respect that. I may still post at times about polls, numbers and situations and point out that the goal is keeping them out - but that's in general. I respect everyone's personal decision in the end.

[Gunny]

Just when ammo was becoming regularly available again, this :rolleyes:

She is THE dictionary definition of any and everything that could be morally and otherwise corrupt in a person, and definitely everything that could be morally and otherwise corrupt in a black person.

Been saying it for awhile ... for those that haven't already kissed the USA as we knew it goodbye (I did long ago), A Biden/Chocolate Whore victory should pretty much convince the rest of you.

She should have to give up her seat in the Senate to run for VP. There shouldn't be a safety net for these politicians to avoid the consequence of risk. As is, there's no harm no foul for her if Biden loses.

[KarlMarx]

I think she ought to run.... as far away from this country as possible

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Did I give you the impression that I was going to vote for a Democrat, a Liberal, or a Socialist? Just because I can't vote for that joke of a human being currently occupying the Oval Office doesn't mean I'm voting Biden.

Did I give you the impression that I knew who you would vote for?
I have no absolutely clue and neither do I care...--Tyr

[Gunny]

The MSM is already reinventing her as a "moderate". IF anyone wants to fight anything, it ought to be THAT. Not each other. Harris is a failure, and with a whopping 6% of the Dem vote, was first to drop her Presidential bid. She's a shyster lawyer who plea bargained her way into a position of authority. Her record as a Senator is dismal.

And lest we forget, the word games she tried to play on Justice Kavanaugh that made her look all the more a dumbshit, leftwing fool to me. If that was possible. Anybody that wants to chance that succeeding the dottering old fool Biden can do what they think they ought to.

I think I've made it clear I'm less than pleased with a few things about current leadership lately. But I WILL vote AGAINST the chance of Kamala the Ugandan Giant being President of this country. We have enough problems as it is.

[Kathianne]

The MSM is already reinventing her as a "moderate". IF anyone wants to fight anything, it ought to be THAT. Not each other. Harris is a failure, and with a whopping 6% of the Dem vote, was first to drop her Presidential bid. She's a shyster lawyer who plea bargained her way into a position of authority. Her record as a Senator is dismal.

And lest we forget, the word games she tried to play on Justice Kavanaugh that made her look all the more a dumbshit, leftwing fool to me. If that was possible. Anybody that wants to chance that succeeding the dottering old fool Biden can do what they think they ought to.

I think I've made it clear I'm less than pleased with a few things about current leadership lately. But I WILL vote AGAINST the chance of Kamala the Ugandan Giant being President of this country. We have enough problems as it is.

Exactly. What we have is better than what we could get. Seriously, this is my worst nightmare of 2015, that the continuation of the divisiveness that began under Obama, nearly insuring the election of Trump, would result in worse to come. It's reality now.

[Gunny]

[/B]
Exactly. What we have is better than what we could get. Seriously, this is my worst nightmare of 2015, that the continuation of the divisiveness that began under Obama, nearly insuring the election of Trump, would result in worse to come. It's reality now.I do recall having that conversation with you early on. You were a bit more vague then. I believe at the time you used the term "or worse".

I have to admit, even I am (or was) surprised at how far the left has gone. You called it. It's worse.

[Gunny]

[/B]
Exactly. What we have is better than what we could get. Seriously, this is my worst nightmare of 2015, that the continuation of the divisiveness that began under Obama, nearly insuring the election of Trump, would result in worse to come. It's reality now. Kathianne

Since we can't let you be right :)

IMO, the divisiveness as far as out in the open nastiness/lack of manners, I noticed that starting with Harry Reid, with Pelosi following close on his heels. I would even go so far as to point a finger at guess who? Then-First Lady Hillary Clinton with her BS accusations/name-calling and "vast right wing conspiracy' every other breath. She was however, not an elected official which is a whole 'nother topic that griped my butt then as now.

I was shocked however, at Reid's complete lack of decorum, civility, diplomacy, whatever you want to call it. That shrew Pelosi must have seen his act as a green light.

I viewed Obama as the culmination of, and mouthpiece for (besides idiots) the progressives, but not the beginning. I view AOC in much the same light and for as many times as I am quickly dismissed for putting AOC out there, the fact remains, Obama was nothing but a freshman Senator when he brought home the big enchilada.

I agree Obama was divisive. He was insulting, not only verbally but he insulted my intelligence every time he opened his mouth. He shooed ME away from the TV. I wanted to kick the crap out of it every time his mouth came on it. Hitlery too. I went to reading the "news", regardless source.

I felt exactly the same listening to Kamala Harris. She is an insult to anyone's intelligence. She's a straight-up liar and opportunist. Putting Biden and Harris on a ticket for President of the US with a straight face is another one of those unbelievable moments for the left.

[Kathianne]

@Kathianne (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=8)

Since we can't let you be right :)

IMO, the divisiveness as far as out in the open nastiness/lack of manners, I noticed that starting with Harry Reid, with Pelosi following close on his heels. I would even go so far as to point a finger at guess who? Then-First Lady Hillary Clinton with her BS accusations/name-calling and "vast right wing conspiracy' every other breath. She was however, not an elected official which is a whole 'nother topic that griped my butt then as now.

I was shocked however, at Reid's complete lack of decorum, civility, diplomacy, whatever you want to call it. That shrew Pelosi must have seen his act as a green light.

I viewed Obama as the culmination of, and mouthpiece for (besides idiots) the progressives, but not the beginning. I view AOC in much the same light and for as many times as I am quickly dismissed for putting AOC out there, the fact remains, Obama was nothing but a freshman Senator when he brought home the big enchilada.

I agree Obama was divisive. He was insulting, not only verbally but he insulted my intelligence every time he opened his mouth. He shooed ME away from the TV. I wanted to kick the crap out of it every time his mouth came on it. Hitlery too. I went to reading the "news", regardless source.

I felt exactly the same listening to Kamala Harris. She is an insult to anyone's intelligence. She's a straight-up liar and opportunist. Putting Biden and Harris on a ticket for President of the US with a straight face is another one of those unbelievable moments for the left.

First, you already admitted I was right, LOL! Nonetheless, a brief discussion of why I felt as I did, still do, back when.

What you say about Reid is so true, though you left out that there are so many reasons to see ties to the mob, (as in Mafia) as well. Corrupt beyond belief-the 'swamp' if you will.

Also what you say about Pelosi back then, though no where close to the antics she now displays, the signs were there. Then again, it was only in degrees that she was above the shoulders of others in the Democrats as for 'swampiness,' or general disdain for the people while enriching herself and cronies.

Here's the thing about Obama, he literally put the lipstick on the pig, something the independents and many of the moderates were more than willing to see. Our first black president. Clean and articulate, someone noted at the time.

'Same coin, different sides.' Obama seemed 'post party' during some soaring speeches, especially at the DNC Convention for Kerry, which sealed him for 2012. Crossing the racial divide, uniting the country, blah blah. Of course, there were the meetings with Black Muslims and Jeremiah Wright and Al Sharpton in between.

Then elected. Sigh. I'll honestly say that if I wasn't familiar with him from Chicago, I may have only looked at the positive side, so I understood the appeal. But I was from Chicago area and familiar with him and the swampiness of Chicago connections, corruption, and politics. I knew of his ties with Commonwealth Edison and Jesse Jackson. (Side note: here we are in 2020 and both Mike Madigan and The Waddling Governor are under investigation for corruption with Commonwealth Edison. If there's one thing about Chicago, it's consistency of leading characters and their troughs of corruption.)

Obama continued to be clean and articulate in some speeches, in between tantrums of divisiveness against police and 'remaking the country, starting with schools.' He built up the forces gathering now against Trump, against the country. He appealed to all that now are aligned so strongly against Trump. Obama united them. He was not for the US, he was for the UN or even worse. His messages, the divisive ones, were not missed and hated by those who would never consider him 'their president' and 'not American-birtherism.' Can't get more divisive than that.

Unlike Obama, Trump was one that wasn't all that articulate, though likely smarter. He tapped into the anger of the underside of the opposite side of the aisle. He still wrestled the nomination from a huge offering of experienced, bright, and equally clean and articulate candidates-some of whom were even minorities. He and they highlighted how fake and unworthy they all were. He was getting free tv coverage nearly full-time by being the bellicose bull in the china shop. In between rantings he'd drop nuggets of policies that appealed more broadly and some nuggets of commonly held beliefs. He listed judges that he'd appoint, judges that certainly were wanted by many more than his core of supporters. I could understand the appeal, but for me and many, the messenger was too divisive. He still won.

I liked many of his policies, certainly was glad when he undid much of what Obama did, though the obvious lesson was that executive orders only lasted as long as the executive-something to definitely keep in mind. He is likely the only politician that could do the right thing in my opinion, but still repel by talking in ways that were so obviously nasty-no hiding it. It made his supporters gleeful, while keeping others from joining in support of good decisions.

Then came the swamp for impeachment and Russia and 'destroy Trump', who happened to be the fairly elected President. There was no accepting him as President by many, though fairly and legally elected. Noticing a pattern here, with all the opposites glued to the two sides of the same coin?

I don't think anyone here doubts the intentions of antifa or that ilk? What is missing though is the acknowledgement that there are some on the right, some even here that to some degree are hoping for or knowing of equally committed folks that want to war with such groups. They have for years. Hoping for a good ole' civil war.

The truth is, there really isn't a true Democrat or Republican party or core ideas that most attributed to either a few years ago. Maybe not for a long time, maybe the far ideological truly grabbed both further back than was visible to the non-elites. In any case, looks like even those that wanted something else, are seeing the results on the streets of the cities right now and choosing sides isn't going to be a luxury, but a necessity.

[Gunny]

First, you already admitted I was right, LOL! Nonetheless, a brief discussion of why I felt as I did, still do, back when.

What you say about Reid is so true, though you left out that there are so many reasons to see ties to the mob, (as in Mafia) as well. Corrupt beyond belief-the 'swamp' if you will.

Also what you say about Pelosi back then, though no where close to the antics she now displays, the signs were there. Then again, it was only in degrees that she was above the shoulders of others in the Democrats as for 'swampiness,' or general disdain for the people while enriching herself and cronies.

Here's the thing about Obama, he literally put the lipstick on the pig, something the independents and many of the moderates were more than willing to see. Our first black president. Clean and articulate, someone noted at the time.

'Same coin, different sides.' Obama seemed 'post party' during some soaring speeches, especially at the DNC Convention for Kerry, which sealed him for 2012. Crossing the racial divide, uniting the country, blah blah. Of course, there were the meetings with Black Muslims and Jeremiah Wright and Al Sharpton in between.

Then elected. Sigh. I'll honestly say that if I wasn't familiar with him from Chicago, I may have only looked at the positive side, so I understood the appeal. But I was from Chicago area and familiar with him and the swampiness of Chicago connections, corruption, and politics. I knew of his ties with Commonwealth Edison and Jesse Jackson. (Side note: here we are in 2020 and both Mike Madigan and The Waddling Governor are under investigation for corruption with Commonwealth Edison. If there's one thing about Chicago, it's consistency of leading characters and their troughs of corruption.)

Obama continued to be clean and articulate in some speeches, in between tantrums of divisiveness against police and 'remaking the country, starting with schools.' He built up the forces gathering now against Trump, against the country. He appealed to all that now are aligned so strongly against Trump. Obama united them. He was not for the US, he was for the UN or even worse. His messages, the divisive ones, were not missed and hated by those who would never consider him 'their president' and 'not American-birtherism.' Can't get more divisive than that.

Unlike Obama, Trump was one that wasn't all that articulate, though likely smarter. He tapped into the anger of the underside of the opposite side of the aisle. He still wrestled the nomination from a huge offering of experienced, bright, and equally clean and articulate candidates-some of whom were even minorities. He and they highlighted how fake and unworthy they all were. He was getting free tv coverage nearly full-time by being the bellicose bull in the china shop. In between rantings he'd drop nuggets of policies that appealed more broadly and some nuggets of commonly held beliefs. He listed judges that he'd appoint, judges that certainly were wanted by many more than his core of supporters. I could understand the appeal, but for me and many, the messenger was too divisive. He still won.

I liked many of his policies, certainly was glad when he undid much of what Obama did, though the obvious lesson was that executive orders only lasted as long as the executive-something to definitely keep in mind. He is likely the only politician that could do the right thing in my opinion, but still repel by talking in ways that were so obviously nasty-no hiding it. It made his supporters gleeful, while keeping others from joining in support of good decisions.

Then came the swamp for impeachment and Russia and 'destroy Trump', who happened to be the fairly elected President. There was no accepting him as President by many, though fairly and legally elected. Noticing a pattern here, with all the opposites glued to the two sides of the same coin?

I don't think anyone here doubts the intentions of antifa or that ilk? What is missing though is the acknowledgement that there are some on the right, some even here that to some degree are hoping for or knowing of equally committed folks that want to war with such groups. They have for years. Hoping for a good ole' civil war.

The truth is, there really isn't a true Democrat or Republican party or core ideas that most attributed to either a few years ago. Maybe not for a long time, maybe the far ideological truly grabbed both further back than was visible to the non-elites. In any case, looks like even those that wanted something else, are seeing the results on the streets of the cities right now and choosing sides isn't going to be a luxury, but a necessity.This is probably one of the most well-written posts I've seen in quite awhile. I thin jimbob destroying the Mask's entire argument from A-Z was the last one I was impressed by. I'll try to address as much as I can.

The Mafia. Don't see it. You might, and it may or may not be there, but the Italian mob has nothing on the DC bureaucracy. They don't need the mob. Especially when from best I can tell, it looks like the MSM runs just about everything.

Try to make this short: my belief concerning the left's behavior and escalating one-upmanship started ith finding nothing to hang Reagan on for Iran-Contra, then the "retaliation" by the GOP with Monicagate which I said then was going to backfire. Nothing gained was worth what we've put up with since, to impeach a lame duck. Then we had to put up with Gore trying to steal the 2000 election, Harry Reid, and the incessant whine of the left about anything Bush did for 8 years. Then we get MSM hand-picked candidates -- McCain & Romney -- and Obama didn't have to do too much.

I tried to give him a chance. I think he didn't last a week, and went downhill to the point of me hoping he choked to death on something. While Trump may be a response to Obama, I firmly believe he was another hand-picked candidate by the MSM as a sure loser and easy walk for Hillary. The left collectively has been acting since like a 3 years old that lost his mind.

I hear you on the parties. I was going to ask if anyone could identify the actual, supported by fact differences between the two fundamentally. They're ALL running for reelection and making empty promises.

Then you have this latest back of progressives that mean to keep their promises that doesn't seem to be scaring anyone and should. IMO :)

[Kathianne]

This is probably one of the most well-written posts I've seen in quite awhile. I thin jimbob destroying the Mask's entire argument from A-Z was the last one I was impressed by. I'll try to address as much as I can.

The Mafia. Don't see it. You might, and it may or may not be there, but the Italian mob has nothing on the DC bureaucracy. They don't need the mob. Especially when from best I can tell, it looks like the MSM runs just about everything.

Try to make this short: my belief concerning the left's behavior and escalating one-upmanship started ith finding nothing to hang Reagan on for Iran-Contra, then the "retaliation" by the GOP with Monicagate which I said then was going to backfire. Nothing gained was worth what we've put up with since, to impeach a lame duck. Then we had to put up with Gore trying to steal the 2000 election, Harry Reid, and the incessant whine of the left about anything Bush did for 8 years. Then we get MSM hand-picked candidates -- McCain & Romney -- and Obama didn't have to do too much.

I tried to give him a chance. I think he didn't last a week, and went downhill to the point of me hoping he choked to death on something. While Trump may be a response to Obama, I firmly believe he was another hand-picked candidate by the MSM as a sure loser and easy walk for Hillary. The left collectively has been acting since like a 3 years old that lost his mind.

I hear you on the parties. I was going to ask if anyone could identify the actual, supported by fact differences between the two fundamentally. They're ALL running for reelection and making empty promises.

Then you have this latest back of progressives that mean to keep their promises that doesn't seem to be scaring anyone and should. IMO :)

Thanks for nice words.

Mafia was about Harry Reid in particular.

How'd he get so rich while being a public servant-hadn't gone to lobbying!

https://www.nationalreview.com/2012/08/how-did-harry-reid-get-rich-betsy-woodruff/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/04/24/harry_reids_long_steady_accretion_of_power__wealth .html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/04/25/harry_reids_long_coattails_122414.html

[Gunny]

Thanks for nice words.

Mafia was about Harry Reid in particular.

How'd he get so rich while being a public servant-hadn't gone to lobbying!

https://www.nationalreview.com/2012/08/how-did-harry-reid-get-rich-betsy-woodruff/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/04/24/harry_reids_long_steady_accretion_of_power__wealth .html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/04/25/harry_reids_long_coattails_122414.htmlYou mean Reid's a crook. I knew THAT :laugh: He also was one of the most vile, nasty mannerless jackasses I'd seen up to that point. He seems to have set the tone for Dem behavior for those who followed.

He bullied Bush; which, didn't impress much with the latter's lack of bitchslapping him into place. Reid is a person I said at the time I wouldn't hesitate to deck if he spoke to me the way he did Bush and other Republicans. I wanted him and Pelosi to choke on whatever Obama did.

You mentioned civil war. Maybe too little too late, down the line. Has anyone on the right done anything about what's going on NOW? ONE instance where that lawyer in St Louis piled out of the house waving a SA weapon. Or should I assume only leftwingnut businesses/homes/employment are affected by these cities; downtowns being destroyed?

What happens after the election? Regardless who wins, only that person's supporters are going to say it is legit. Someone's going to cry foul and in the case if the Republicans doing it, most likely with good cause.