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jimnyc
09-07-2020, 03:58 PM
I went there quickly to grab a date for Hunter Biden's time at Burisma Holdings. But then WTF, I read the entire section and notice it's not really "up to date" if you will.

They neglect to tell you that Hunter only got the job thanks to Dad and got paid as much as up to $50,000 per month.

It states "Joe Biden joined other Western leaders in encouraging the government of Ukraine to fire the country's top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was widely criticized for blocking corruption investigations. The Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Shokin in March 2016."

So Joe Biden, only along with others, "encouraged" the government of Ukraine to fire their top prosecutor. And they voted to remove him.

NOWHERE in the article does it mention that it was on video that Joe Biden "demanded" that they fire Shokin, or he is withholding American aid to the tune of a billion dollars. They fired him within 6 hours of him doing so. - Then it states Biden did not stop the prosecution. It states that HE DID NOT brag about getting him fired. Huh??? I didn't see/hear what I saw with my own eyes and ears?

Zero wrongdoing by Hunter, of course. And we all know that Ukraine is corrupt as hell and more.

They leave out so so many facts & it's turned around and made to further look like Trump's fault. :rolleyes: Even if Hunter getting hired there & Joe Biden getting Viktor Shokin fired & bragging about it on video and much more all took place before Trump was president.

Burisma Holdings

In April 2014, after the Ukrainian revolution, Biden joined the board of Burisma Holdings, one of the largest independent natural gas producers in Ukraine owned by Ukrainian oligarch and former politician Mykola Zlochevsky who faced a money laundering investigation at that time. Biden, then an attorney with Boies Schiller Flexner, was hired to help Burisma with corporate governance best practices, and a consulting firm in which Biden is a partner was also retained by Burisma. Chris Heinz, John Kerry's stepson, opposed his partners Devon Archer and Hunter Biden joining the board in 2014 due to the reputational risk. Biden served on the board of Burisma until his term expired in April 2019, receiving compensation of up to $50,000 per month in some months. Because Vice President Biden played a major role in U.S. policy towards Ukraine, some Ukrainian anti-corruption advocates and Obama administration officials expressed concern that Hunter Biden's having joined the board could create the appearance of a conflict of interest and undermine Vice President Biden's anti-corruption work in Ukraine. While serving as vice president, Joe Biden joined other Western leaders in encouraging the government of Ukraine to fire the country's top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was widely criticized for blocking corruption investigations. The Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Shokin in March 2016.

In 2019, President Donald Trump and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, claimed that Vice President Biden had actually sought the dismissal of Shokin in order to protect his son and Burisma Holdings. There is no evidence, however, that this was what happened, and it was the official policy of the United States and the European Union to seek Shokin's removal. There has also been no evidence produced of wrongdoing done by Hunter Biden in Ukraine. The Ukrainian anti-corruption investigation agency stated in September 2019 that the current investigation of Burisma was restricted solely to investigating the period of 2010 to 2012, before Hunter Biden joined Burisma in 2014. Shokin in May 2019 claimed that he was fired because he had been actively investigating Burisma, but U.S. and Ukrainian officials have stated that the investigation into Burisma was dormant at the time of Shokin's dismissal. Ukrainian and United States State Department sources have maintained that Shokin was fired for failing to address corruption, including within his office.

In July 2019, Trump ordered the freezing of $391 million in military aid shortly before a telephone conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in which Trump asked Zelensky to initiate an investigation of the Bidens. Trump falsely told Zelensky that "[Joe] Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution" of his son; Joe Biden did not stop any prosecution, did not brag about doing so, and there is no evidence his son was ever under investigation. On September 24, 2019, the United States House of Representatives initiated a formal impeachment inquiry against Trump on the grounds that he may have sought to use U.S. foreign aid and the Ukrainian government to damage Joe Biden's 2020 presidential campaign.

Ukrainian prosecutor general Yuriy Lutsenko said in May 2019 that Hunter Biden had not violated Ukrainian law. After Lutsenko was replaced by Ruslan Riaboshapka as prosecutor general, Lutsenko and Ryaboshapka said in September and October 2019 respectively that they had seen no evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden.

During 2019 and into 2020, Republican senators Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley quietly investigated Biden's involvement with Burisma, as well as allegations that Democrats colluded with the Ukrainian government to interfere in the 2016 election. Republican senator Richard Burr, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, privately expressed concerns to the senators that their inquiries could assist efforts by Russian intelligence to spread disinformation to disrupt American domestic affairs. American intelligence officials briefed senators in late 2019 about Russian efforts to frame Ukraine for 2016 election interference. Johnson said he would release findings in spring 2020, as Democrats would be selecting their 2020 presidential nominee, but instead ramped up the investigation at Trump's urging in May 2020, after it became clear Biden would be the nominee. Trump tweeted a press report about the investigations, later stating that he would make allegations of corruption by the Bidens a central theme of his re-election campaign. In March 2020, Johnson decided against issuing a subpoena for former Ukrainian official Andrii Telizhenko, a Giuliani associate who had made appearances on the pro-Trump cable channel One America News, after the FBI briefed him about concerns Telizhenko could be spreading Russian disinformation. CNN reported that Vladislav Davidzon, the editor of Ukrainian magazine The Odessa Review, told CNN that in 2018 Telizhenko offered him money to lobby Republican senators in support of pro-Russian television stations in Ukraine.

In June 2020, former Ukrainian prosecutor general Ruslan Riaboshapka stated that an audit of thousands of old case files he had ordered in October 2019 had found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden. Riaboshapka was described by Zelensky as "100 percent my person" during the July 2019 call in which Trump asked him to investigate Biden.

In May 2020, Ukrainian lawmaker Andrii Derkach, an associate of Rudy Giuliani with links to Russian intelligence, released alleged snippets of recordings of Joe Biden speaking with Petro Poroshenko, the Ukrainian president during the years Hunter Biden worked for Burisma. The recordings, which were not verified as authentic and appeared heavily edited, depicted Biden linking loan guarantees for Ukraine to the ouster of the country's prosecutor general. The recordings did not provide evidence to support the ongoing conspiracy theory that Biden wanted the prosecutor fired to protect his son. Poroshenko denied In June 2020 that Joe Biden ever approached him about Burisma.

On June 14, 2020, the Fox News website ran a story entitled "Massive bribe to stop Ukraine probe of Burisma founder intercepted." The story began with a prominent, nearly three-minute video about purported scandals surrounding the Bidens, with a caption reading, "Hunter Biden scandals explained." However, the bribe allegation did not involve Hunter Biden, which was mentioned in the third paragraph of the story. The bribe related to a case of embezzling state money given to a bank.

hjmick
09-07-2020, 06:29 PM
It's as up to date as Biden supporters, the DNC, and Biden himself want it to be.

And make no mistake, nothing has been left out, it's been removed. Check the edit history and the discussions and I guarantee you will see this is the case. The Kamala Harris page is the example...

SassyLady
09-07-2020, 10:58 PM
Wikipedia's is an offshoot of the Dem Underground

jimnyc
09-08-2020, 02:10 PM
It's as up to date as Biden supporters, the DNC, and Biden himself want it to be.

And make no mistake, nothing has been left out, it's been removed. Check the edit history and the discussions and I guarantee you will see this is the case. The Kamala Harris page is the example...

Yep, trying to figure out how to do so now. Tons of former pages over time.So far I found this, whatever the hell it means. But proves it WAS once there at least, and perhaps date it was edited and last there visible:


15:29, 6 November 2019‎ Nocturnalnow talk contribs‎ 37,974 bytes +847‎ No Whitewash; Joe Biden is on video at the COuncil of Foreign Relations BRAGGING about this blackmail he applied.

They also removed information about Rosemont Seneca and connections and transfers of money being bounced around and eventually there. Hunter worked there & John Kerry attached along with 2 of his children. So that can't be around even though that info is known and even I posted about that crap a long time back - but it's an election now, gotta go. Who knows what else.

Then the one you mentioned, my additions in the article in red.

Report: Wikipedia editor (and Harris volunteer) wipes clean Kamala Harris page, remove unflattering details

WASHINGTON D.C. – How we fix mistakes made on a piece of paper with pencil is by erasing them.

Those are the simple mistakes, ones that are not serious. Acknowledging mistakes made, not erasing them in hopes that they will go away.

But this? This is a whole different story.

An editor reportedly attempted to “erase” Kamala Harris’ past by removing past finance scandal and other unfavorable facts from her Wikipedia page.

An article in the Intercept reports that a Wikipedia editor was trying to erase the page of former Democratic Presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) who is now Joe Biden’s Vice-Presidential pick.

The pieces removed from Sen. Harris’ page were a past campaign finance scandal and her record as a hardline prosecutor. - (The word "finance" doesn't even appear on her page)

The identity of the eraser by admission is Bao Nguyen a Bay area lawyer.

Before he admitted being involved, readers of the intercept article began investigating his identity after the piece was published.

Through an IP address he was identified due to edits he made right before his account’s first edits. His use of another account, combined with another social media site, identified him as the editor.

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Nguyen removed such things as Harris’ defense of Orange County Prosecutors implicated in widespread misconduct.

He later claimed it was removed for “proof-reading.”

He also removed details about a campaign finance violation involving Harris’ campaign for District Attorney, erasing the criticisms based on Harris’ defense. (Nothing about finance & only her charging people with violations, zero about her and any campaign finance violations)

He also removed a quote from Harris stating, “it is not progressive to be soft on crime”, but it was later restored after the Intercept article. - (This still doesn't exist on her page.)

Not mentioned were other unflattering removals by Nguyen.

The removals included details about Harris’ early political career and the benefits of a relationship with future San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, then the speaker of the California Assembly, who she dated. - (The entry does mention Willie Brown, and that she dated him & that he appointed Harris to the state Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and later to the California Medical Assistance Commission. It's a liiiitle more involved than that, but they did include that much at least)

Her salaries earned at positions to which Brown appointed her were also removed and a quote from a campaign manager who claimed Harris benefited from the relationship. - (The salaries are still not on there. But nothing from any campaign manager)

As if there were not enough edits, removals, and erasures to Harris’ history, there was one other big detail removed. It involved how Harris handled an investigation into the death of Mitrice Richardson.

She was a black woman who, after being detained by the Malibu Sheriff’s department for not paying her bill at a diner, was later found dead after being released from jail without her car and phone.

Harris closed the case after she opened it, citing insufficient evidence for criminal charges. This piece that Nguyen has erased, has not been added back into the article. - (And it remains not on her page)

Rest - https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/report-wikipedia-editors-wipe-clean-kamala-harris-page/