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Kathianne
10-21-2020, 01:36 AM
One of the things that Dems come back to, time and again, is 'what if Trump won't accept the results of the election?' Well it's never been about Trump accepting, but the Dems. Since 2016 they have been all in on getting him out. They are preparing and I fear it is going to get very ugly if Biden should lose:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-raising-cash-to-fight-donald-trumpafter-the-campaign?source=articles&via=rss


Biden Raising Cash to Fight Trump—After the Campaign
LAWYERED UP, READY TO GO!
One top-level donor said the campaign has “pre-funded” legal costs—or essentially set aside cash for the possibility that a fleet of lawyers might be needed in November.


Scott Bixby
National Reporter
Hanna Trudo
Updated Oct. 20, 2020 6:07AM ET / Published Oct. 20, 2020 4:37AM ET

When the Biden campaign began slowly scheduling in-person fundraising events at the beginning of the summer after months of entirely virtual campaigning, some staffers weren’t sure that the juice would be worth the squeeze. Were the potential health risks and logistical stresses posed by having the former vice president in a pandemic worth a fundraiser that might only bring in enough money to cover the costs?


“You have to remember, people were still talking about a capital-D depression,” one top fundraiser told The Daily Beast, remembering one June fundraiser in New Mexico that brought in just $25,000. “It almost felt dirty, asking people—even wealthy people—who were convinced that the sky was going to fall for money.”


Smash-cut to two weeks before Election Day, and Joe Biden—whose opponent is ostensibly a literal billionaire—is the one swimming in cash. Biden’s campaign reported raising roughly $147 per second in September, entering the final full month before the election with a record $432 million in cash on hand, according to a statement by campaign manager Jen O’Malley Dillon.


Even by post-Citizens United standards, it is an absurd, Scrooge McDuck-level haul. The Biden campaign could suspend fundraising entirely and drop more than $20 million a day, every day, until the election without bouncing a single check. But according to top-level donors and an ambitious schedule of upcoming fundraisers, there’s no plan to slow down—just in case the trove of “fuck you” money needs to become “see you in court” money.


According to fundraisers who spoke to The Daily Beast, the campaign is still leaning hard on its donor network, explicitly pointing ahead to its potential need to fund legal battles in multiple states following the election. The expectations on that network are high; according to a Biden Victory Fund calendar of events obtained by The Daily Beast, the campaign has 37 events planned from Oct. 17 through Oct. 24—nearly five a day, on average.


The rationale? In part, lingering anxieties that President Donald Trump will make good on his public statements implying that he may refuse to accept election results if he loses, which could trigger court fights in multiple states and appellate courts—the kind of legal battle that could get very expensive very quickly.


But even if the election is wrapped up more tidily than Trump’s warnings indicate, legal fights over ballot access have already begun in states around the country. In Michigan alone, a court case seeking to extend the deadline for counting absentee ballots beyond 8 p.m. on Election Day seems destined for the state Supreme Court after a state appeals court ruled on Friday that the extension—the result of a Democratic suit seeking to curb limits on mail-in voting during the coronavirus pandemic—was unnecessary.


Those and other battles, the Biden campaign said, are critical to fight now.


“The Biden campaign has assembled the biggest voter protection program in history to ensure the election runs smoothly and to combat any attempt by Donald Trump to create fear and confusion with our voting system, or interfere in the democratic process,” Biden campaign spokesperson Michael Gwin told The Daily Beast. “We’re confident that we’ll have free and fair elections this November, and that voters will decisively reject Donald Trump’s erratic, divisive, and failed leadership at the ballot box.”


The Democratic nominee’s campaign says it has worked behind closed doors for much of the general election to help bulletproof what they can control of the voting and post-voting process ahead of the fall. Their pre-emptive efforts, which are indeed ongoing, broadly include providing “support for election jurisdictions” during what they see as “extraordinary conditions” leading up to Nov. 3.


Specifically, they have formed internal initiatives around “voter education to raise awareness of options for in-person and mail voting, aggressive response[s] to vote suppression activities, and robust programs for identifying and countering foreign interference and misinformation from foreign or domestic sources,” according to details shared by the campaign recently. They also pointed to several prominent legal hires working in tandem with the campaign on “special litigation” areas around the election, including General Counsel Dana Remus, a former senior counsel at the White House, and Walter Dellinger and Donald Verrilli, both former solicitors general.


Trump Mocks Biden by Saying He’ll ‘Listen to the Scientists’
HEAD SCRATCHER


One top-level donor told The Daily Beast that the campaign has “pre-funded” legal costs—or essentially set aside cash for the possibility that an Achaean fleet of attorneys might need to be called upon in November. This practice—akin to setting aside a legal defense fund, although perhaps “legal offense fund” is more appropriate—isn’t unheard of.


“Campaigns these days do typically set up separate funds for recounts and election contests for possible post-election litigation,” said Richard H. Pildes, a professor of constitutional law at the New York University School of Law and a leading expert in election law. “The reason is that under federal election law, a campaign can raise contributions to these funds from donors who have already maxed out their contributions to the campaigns.”


It’s not uncommon in the legal world for a campaign, or any client, to give attorneys a retainer or deposit in advance of potential litigation, which would confirm an attorney-client relationship—preventing that attorney from being hired by an opponent and conferring privilege over whatever preliminary discussions of legal strategy the campaign might have.


“In general, I would expect a campaign to focus as much of its money as possible to prevailing on Election Day,” said Michael T. Morley, an assistant professor of law at Florida State University and an expert on election law. “A major presidential campaign generally wouldn’t worry much in advance about setting aside substantial amounts of money for a post-election challenge, because if the outcome of an election hinged on one or two recounts or election contests, tremendous amounts of additional financial support would almost certainly be immediately forthcoming to help that candidate prevail. Every campaign is different, of course, and has its own strategies.”


Part of the calculus, campaign veterans said, is simple economics: it’s better to have more money than you need than less. Other campaigns have been in this position—with so much cash on hand, and more coming in the door, it’s hard to figure out where to put it—and had to scramble to put it to good use.


“He had so much money at the end we were searching for ways to spend it all,” one former aide to the Obama campaign recalled. Back in the fall of 2008, that campaign’s money masters found themselves in a similar situation to the one Biden finds himself now: sitting atop a pile of cash with just weeks left in the election and scrambling for ways to get it out the door.


Among the expenditures the campaign decided to make was to blanket TV with what was in essence a 30-minute infomercial about the then-senator. The “ad” they produced, titled “American Stories, American Solutions” ran at 8 p.m. ET on, among other stations, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, BET, and Univision. CNN declined to run the spot, but Fox did—and even agreed to move back the start of a scheduled World Series game in order to do so.


“That’s the thing people were mad about,” the former aide recalled. Indeed, when word surfaced that the ad might dislodge the fall classic, Obama’s opponent, the late Sen. John McCain, offered a patented one-liner.


“It used to be that only rain or some other act of God could delay the World Series,” McCain said. “But I guess network executives figured an Obama infomercial was close enough.”


But the infomercial approach that worked for a senator in his first term of office wouldn’t necessarily provide as clear a benefit for a former two-term vice president with four decades of time on Capitol Hill under his belt.


“That 2008 Obama event did prove to be a ratings success,” said Alan Schroeder, professor emeritus at Northeastern University and the author of several books on the history of modern presidential debates. “But the times are different, and so is the candidate. Obama at that point was a more intriguing figure, poised on the cusp of history, where Biden is more familiar and less glamorous.”


Meanwhile, the utility of having a legal team at the ready in case of legitimately contested result—or, perhaps more likely, in case of a presidential conniption in the face of a potential loss—is clearly more evident.


— with additional reporting by Sam Stein
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/nation-braces-for-election-violence-guns-batons-molotov-cocktails


Nation braces for election violence, ‘guns, batons, Molotov cocktails’
by Paul Bedard, Washington Secrets Columnist | | October 20, 2020 09:36 AM
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https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/20/trump-resistance-plans-mass-mobilization-after-election-to-shut-down-the-country-if-biden-doesnt-win/



Trump Resistance Plans ‘Mass Mobilization’ After Election To Shut Down The Country If Biden Doesn’t Win (https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/20/trump-resistance-plans-mass-mobilization-after-election-to-shut-down-the-country-if-biden-doesnt-win/)

Shut Down DC's 'Strategic framework for action following the 2020 election' sketches out their plans for rioting and attacking American institutions and life unless and until Joe Biden is installed as president.



By Joy Pullmann (https://thefederalist.com/author/joy-pullmann/)OCTOBER 20, 2020


Riot and protest instigators plan to “make sure Trump leaves the White House” by any means necessary after the Nov. 3 election, according to website posts from the group Shut Down DC and their allies (https://www.scribd.com/document/480775634/Hold-the-Line-a-Guide-to-Defending-Democracy). “W]e’re making plans to be in the streets before the polls even close, ready to adapt and respond to whatever comes our way,” the group says (https://web.archive.org/web/20201019122623/https://www.shutdowndc.org/election2020) on its website currently.

“Trump has shown that he will stop at nothing to maintain his grip on power. Trump will not leave office without mass mobilization and direct action,” an Oct. 13 version of the same web page reads, according to Internet Archive records (https://web.archive.org/web/20201013182838/https://www.shutdowndc.org/election2020).

The group linked to protests at the homes of Trump administration officials tells its DC-area supporters to “Come to Black Lives Matter Plaza” on election night “to create serious disruption if Trump really tries to steal the election!” Black Lives Matter Plaza (https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/05/870833518/black-lives-matter-plaza-across-from-white-house-is-christened-by-d-c-leaders) is the site of repeated anti-Trump summer rioting (https://wtop.com/dc/2020/08/about-100-people-gather-near-black-lives-matter-plaza-in-sunday-night-march/) and defacement of the historic Saint John’s Church one block away from the White House.

On the page, Shut Down DC sketches out its plans for election night and immediately following. On Nov. 4-7, the group says it plans to “do whatever it takes”:


In the days following the election we’ll continue to come out into the streets every day to respond to rapidly changing events. We may be waiting for votes to be counted or we may be responding to major attacks on democracy. Over the next few weeks we’ll use our Spokes Council process to plan actions that are flexible and can scale to respond to a lot of different scenarios.



Then, on Nov. 8-11, the group’s plan is to meet members of Congress returning to Washington DC for the lame-duck session. “If Trump is trying to launch a coup, that’s no time for business as usual. We’ll meet them at the train station or the airports or if they drive into town we can meet them at their homes,” the website says.

A slide deck posted on the group’s website (https://www.shutdowndc.org/updates/report-back-from-yesterdays-organizing-call) from an “organizing call” claims this group is working in concert with leftist groups around the nation to prepare for President Trump to “steal the election” and attempt a “coup.” The slides pinpoint now as the time these groups are “gathering gear” to respond.




https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/slidedeckshutdowndc1.jpg

The post-election plan of action links to the group’s advice about (https://web.archive.org/web/20201019215316/https://www.shutdowndc.org/security?link_id=5&can_id=6fbe91d2fc9a030bae9d78b25968cb98&source=email-heres-our-plan-this-is-a-long-email-but-please-read-it-to-the-end&email_referrer=email_963176___subject_1320107&email_subject=heres-our-plan-this-is-a-long-email-but-please-read-it-to-the-end) taking “appropriate precautions” for security. This includes forming “affinity groups” “that will go into more detail and possibly engage in higher risk actions.”

“Keep in mind that not everyone needs to know every detail of your plans,” says the post-election plan about “taking appropriate precautions.” “We don’t! Feel free to only share what people outside your [affinity group] need to know, and keep the specific action details close to the vest.”

What kinds of actions these might be are stated (https://web.archive.org/web/20201019221908/https://docs.google.com/document/d/16GHA84_eBU0lqJc0QBD_iIsoBZTC3_v5oWAWXy_upR4/edit) in a “Strategic framework for action following the 2020 election” that sketches out their plans for rioting and attacking American institutions and life until Biden is installed as president. It claims if Trump declares victory that will mark “the start of the coup.”

“At some point in the days following the election Trump will almost certainly either attempt to declare outright victory or attempt to invalidate the results of the election. That is the start of the coup,” it claims. “…Trump can only seize power if the world believes that he has the power. That’s why we’re starting this phase of the election in the streets… We need to show that we’re ungovernable under a continued Trump administration…That can mean blocking traffic at major intersections and bridges, shutting down government office buildings (why should ICE or the FBI be able to keep doing Trump’s bidding when he’s leading with a coup?!?), or blockading the White House.”

The document bases its action plan upon the scenarios (https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/19/we-gamed-out-the-2020-election-and-found-our-constitution-can-handle-the-madness/) projected by the establishment leftist “Transition Integrity Project” for election night and sketches these activists’ response to each, explicitly rejecting the possibility that Trump could legitimately win. It continues:


We’ll keep it going until Trump concedes. We could be in the streets throughout the fall and into the winter– maybe as lots of rolling waves of action or possibly as a few major tsunamis! In other parts of the country, as vote counts conclude, our focus will turn from protecting the vote counts to themselves being ungovernable.

As it becomes clear that Trump’s coup is failing, institutions and the elites will start to abandon him – or we will approach them as part of the problem. Either Amazon will shut down AWS for the Trump loyalists in the government or we’ll shut down their fulfillment centers. Either governors will tell their national guards to stand down or we’ll shut down their state capitals as well. Over time, Trump will grow increasingly isolated and his empire will crumble down around him.

Then — and this is the important part — Biden will move into the White House and be sworn in as the 46th President of the United States.



On its Facebook page, the group recently posted a picture of a mob arriving at Sen. Lindsey Graham’s house at 6 a.m. to harass him for following the Constitution. In the picture, one protest sign reads, “We can’t sleep so neither should Lindsey.”
https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Shut-Down-DC-LindseyGraham.jpg




“Preventing Donald Trump from stealing the election and remaining in office is likely to take mass, sustained disruptive movements all over the country,” the group’s website posted on Oct. 7 (http://%22puting%20[sic]%20pressure%20on%20the%20media%20and%20social%20me dia%20agencies%20to%20refuse%20to%20declare%20a%20 victor%2C%20resisting%20demands%20to%20call%20the% 20vote%20in%20forvor%20[sic]%20of%20trump%2C%20physically%20protecting%20the%2 0vote%20count%20from%20counter-protestors%2C%20federal%20agents%2C%20or%20white%2 0supremacist%20militias%20are%20all%20potential%20 actions%20in%20this%20moment%2C%22%20says%20the%20 group%27s%20%22disruption%20guide%20for%202020.%22 %20the%20guide%2C%20a%20google%20document%2C%20had %2061%20viewers%20at%20the%20moment%20it%20was%20r eviewed%20for%20the%20federalist./).

“Puting [sic] pressure on the media and social media agencies to refuse to declare a victor, resisting demands to call the vote in forvor [sic] of Trump, physically protecting the vote count from counter-protestors, federal agents, or white supremacist militias are all potential actions in this moment,” says the group’s “Disruption Guide for 2020 (https://web.archive.org/web/20201019223108if_/https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WtDZYQ7Q-PUhxhv8VuRVfeD7q3DSpthktlYD-nx4pSc/edit).” The guide (https://www.scribd.com/document/480758760/Stopping-the-Coup-the-2020-Guide), a Google document, had 61 viewers at the moment it was reviewed for The Federalist.

Kathianne
10-21-2020, 02:58 AM
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/10/left-proposes-truth-and-reconciliation-commission-to-target-trump-supporters-if-biden-wins/


Left Proposes “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to Target Trump Supporters if Biden Wins (https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/10/left-proposes-truth-and-reconciliation-commission-to-target-trump-supporters-if-biden-wins/)

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Posted by Mike LaChance (https://legalinsurrection.com/author/aleister-g/) Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 11:00am
“It would erase Trump’s lies, comfort those who have been harmed by his hatefulness, and name every official, politician, executive, and media mogul whose greed and cowardice enabled this catastrophe.”

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Members of the professional left are now proposing a ‘truth and reconciliation commission’ to shame Trump supporters if Joe Biden wins.
These would be the same people who have spent four years calling Trump an authoritarian, a dictator, a fascist, a cult leader, and worse. Those same people are now proposing Orwellian forms of public shaming for having the ‘wrong’ views.

This is Robert Reich, who served as an advisor to President Obama and was part of President Clinton’s administration:

MSNBC host Chris Hayes said something similar earlier this month:

The Washington Post’s (https://archive.is/WKg2I) resident lunatic Jennifer Rubin is fully on board:


Trump’s enablers can’t escape the consequences of their choices
Assuming President Trump loses his reelection bid in a few weeks, the soon-to-be alumni of the Trump administration, who were warned that association with Trump would mar their careers and corrode their character, are now “hoping the Trump presidency isn’t a disqualifying blemish on their resumes or Google footprint as the door revolves the other way and they seek to land, once again, in the private sector,” The Post reports.

They should think more about atoning for the betrayal of their country than trying to escape the consequences of enabling a liar, racist and wannabe authoritarian. There are practical reasons for employers outside the right-wing bubble to reject not only those who were the face of the administration but also those who labored behind the scenes….

We as a country and as individuals need to decide whether those who are unremorseful, who seek no forgiveness and who admit no complicity in an administration that engaged in reprehensible conduct deserve to be welcomed back into “polite” society. It seems like another moral failing on the part of Trumpers that they whine about the stigma of their tenure without shouldering any responsibility to come clean and make amends.


Note Rubin’s use of the word “atoning” here. The clear implication is that people who supported or worked with Trump have sinned against society. Perhaps requiring the wearing of a scarlet letter of some kind would do the trick.

Make no mistake about what is being suggested. These people are talking about a vindictive form of retaliation for wrongthink.

Tucker Carlson highlighted this on his show last night and included a segment from MSNBC where the subject is discussed. He then brought on author J.D. Vance to expand on the topic. Watch it all below:

I have a simple question for the likes of Robert Reich and Jennifer Rubin. What should Trump supporters prepare to do in the event that we win?
Featured image via YouTube (https://youtu.be/LDrUQ0dUOWw).

Gunny
10-23-2020, 05:37 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I have made a couple of decisions for going forward that have kind of kept me out of all the rhetoric. We all know what the left is doing, just as we all know nothing is being done about it.

IF the Dems win this election, I will not accept the results as legit. What that will mean will depend on how the future unfolds. Wen there is no law and/or law worthy of respect, then I'm making up my own rules.

aboutime
10-23-2020, 07:32 PM
I am old enough to remember when this nation was having more or less, the same kinds of problems in the past...and DON'TCHA KNOW. We made it through all of those problems...the same way we will this time.

Allowing a minority of RADICALS to threaten ALL OF US...simply WILL NOT WORK.

All of the Conspiracy junk being thrown around from those who have nothing else to do with their ignorance is typical.

Remember how threatened we were when the Chino Commies invaded Korea? I DO!
Remember Khrusheve telling us we were all going to Die, banging his shoe, and the beginning of the Cold War? I DO!
Anyone here remember those 13 days in October when Russia put Nukes in Cuba? i DO!

Remember JFK getting assassinated? I DO!
Martin Luther King was killed? I DO!
How bout the years I was first in the navy, and we were in LBJ's war in Vietnam...while the sixties flowerchildren were demonstrating everywhere, and everyday? I DO!
Most of you didn't know...while in Uniform. People like me couldn't dare walk among the Hatefilled who called us Baby Killers. I DO!
Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed? I DO!
How bout the 1968 Democrat Convention in Chicago? I DO!
How about KENT STATE killings of students? I DO!

Where would you like me to stop?
America, and Americans are better than the ANGRY MOBS who are trying to take over, and destroy our nation.
UNLESS...We just sit on our hands, and pretend there is nothing wrong with voting for HARRIS, BIDEN, or SOCIALISM.

LongTermGuy
10-23-2020, 07:40 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I have made a couple of decisions for going forward that have kind of kept me out of all the rhetoric. We all know what the left is doing, just as we all know nothing is being done about it.

IF the Dems win this election, I will not accept the results as legit. What that will mean will depend on how the future unfolds. Wen there is no law and/or law worthy of respect, then I'm making up my own rules.


Very well said Gunny! I feel "Most" Americans (Patriots) Feel this way....
I mentioned this before Here:


The left better Pray TRUMP Wins! Any Hocus-Pokus Bullshit Late fake Ballets ..voting dead...cheating etc...which Makes Trump lose....All Bets are off!:saluting2:

Gunny
10-24-2020, 12:27 PM
I am old enough to remember when this nation was having more or less, the same kinds of problems in the past...and DON'TCHA KNOW. We made it through all of those problems...the same way we will this time.

Allowing a minority of RADICALS to threaten ALL OF US...simply WILL NOT WORK.

All of the Conspiracy junk being thrown around from those who have nothing else to do with their ignorance is typical.

Remember how threatened we were when the Chino Commies invaded Korea? I DO!
Remember Khrusheve telling us we were all going to Die, banging his shoe, and the beginning of the Cold War? I DO!
Anyone here remember those 13 days in October when Russia put Nukes in Cuba? i DO!

Remember JFK getting assassinated? I DO!
Martin Luther King was killed? I DO!
How bout the years I was first in the navy, and we were in LBJ's war in Vietnam...while the sixties flowerchildren were demonstrating everywhere, and everyday? I DO!
Most of you didn't know...while in Uniform. People like me couldn't dare walk among the Hatefilled who called us Baby Killers. I DO!
Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed? I DO!
How bout the 1968 Democrat Convention in Chicago? I DO!
How about KENT STATE killings of students? I DO!

Where would you like me to stop?
America, and Americans are better than the ANGRY MOBS who are trying to take over, and destroy our nation.
UNLESS...We just sit on our hands, and pretend there is nothing wrong with voting for HARRIS, BIDEN, or SOCIALISM.I got most of that covered. Was a tade young for JFK and the CUban Missile Crisis, not to mention we lived on the Black Sea in Turkey at the time.

I see this is different for a reason I have hinted at/harped on for years and years. The current behavior of the Dems has brought the possible reality of it front and center and IMO, a REAL threat above and beyond most of what you listed. The Dems gaining sole control of the US Government means the Dems can legalize anything they want to do. Best I can tell, "anything they want to do" includes, lying, cheating, stealing, colluding with enemies of the Constitution, supporting anti-American "anything" just to get the win. It appears there is nothing they won't do to get their way. I'm surprised they haven't tried to take out Trump. I put nothing beyond them at this point.

It may be hard for some to gather their thoughts around, but I see Kamala Harris as a thousand times worse than Obama.

Be that as it may, I just had to be honest with myself about the issue. As a result, it makes a lot of the periphery disappear. I'm not going to accept a Dem win as legit. Taking it a step further, if it turns out that a Dem win is provably legit, then I don't want to be part of this country. I still believe in the US Constitution and the ideals it embodies. That doesn't mean I'm going to support commies who wrap themselves in it and legislate themselves to be correct legally.

aboutime
10-24-2020, 07:20 PM
I will stand my ground. At my age. There is nowhere else on Earth I would rather be, or go.

I will and MUST remain Positive, and ignore all of the Negative WHAT IF's being thrown around.

Call me old fashioned, or stupid. I don't care. But I refuse to GIVE UP, or GIVE IN to anything against the Constitution, and our laws.
See how the Dems started that BS about having to get the military to REMOVE Trump from the White House?
UNLIKE the lying Dems...mainly Nancy Palousy. The President will follow the Constitution, and will accept the results of the Election.
Dems are scared, and want WE THE PEOPLE to be scared.
NOT ME....I gave two thirds of my life to this nation. So....I OWN MY FREEDOM, RIGHTS, AND LIBERTIES...even if they try to take them away from me.
SO THERE!:salute:

SassyLady
10-25-2020, 04:36 AM
As much as I talk about moving to Fiji or Cook Islands, I have grandkids here and I believe their parents will need my help if things go sour here in America. Used to think I was prepping for my survival but at my age I'm wiling to give it up for them.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
10-25-2020, 05:32 AM
As much as I talk about moving to Fiji or Cook Islands, I have grandkids here and I believe their parents will need my help if things go sour here in America. Used to think I was prepping for my survival but at my age I'm wiling to give it up for them.

Damn well said, my friend.
I feel exactly like that myself.
I'd take my exit defending me and mine.
Except, I'd be damn sure to take a lot of the "worthless craving bastards" down with me as I went if it came to that.
Honor, either one has it --or else they don't...There is no in-between ground....... ---Tyr

pete311
10-25-2020, 09:15 AM
God you guys are pathetic drama snowflakes. Listen to yourselves. You're already accepting Trump is going to lose and if he does it will be end of days right? It wasn't end of days when Obama was in office for 8 years, it wasn't when Trump was in office for me and it won't be when Biden is for 4 years. Pick yourselves up from your book straps and slap yourselves in the face and wake up. If you guys are the real America, it looks weak as shit right now.

Kathianne
10-25-2020, 09:28 AM
God you guys are pathetic drama snowflakes. Listen to yourselves. You're already accepting Trump is going to lose and if he does it will be end of days right? It wasn't end of days when Obama was in office for 8 years, it wasn't when Trump was in office for me and it won't be when Biden is for 4 years. Pick yourselves up from your book straps and slap yourselves in the face and wake up. If you guys are the real America, it looks weak as shit right now.
Actually genius, 8 years of Obama is why we now have Trump and all that followed. Just as many feared.

Gunny
10-25-2020, 09:54 AM
God you guys are pathetic drama snowflakes. Listen to yourselves. You're already accepting Trump is going to lose and if he does it will be end of days right? It wasn't end of days when Obama was in office for 8 years, it wasn't when Trump was in office for me and it won't be when Biden is for 4 years. Pick yourselves up from your book straps and slap yourselves in the face and wake up. If you guys are the real America, it looks weak as shit right now.

Weak as shit would be anyone that would vote Democrat for President in the current. Lawless liars, thieves, murderers who can't read the US Constitution much less comprehend it. In case you have missed where I stand, Pete, YOU are the enemy of this Nation and everything it stands for.

IF you don't want me to clear my desk so I can pay sole attention to your stupid fucking ass that shouldn't be allowed to vote, shut the fuck up. Talking time's done for me, and definitely you and your ilk. Go ahead, get in my way. You and your pussy rabble. Better be bulletproof when you do.

Gunny
10-25-2020, 10:20 AM
Actually genius, 8 years of Obama is why we now have Trump and all that followed. Just as many feared.You could be wrong, but I'm still waiting for a better explanation 5 years later :).

aboutime
10-25-2020, 01:22 PM
God you guys are pathetic drama snowflakes. Listen to yourselves. You're already accepting Trump is going to lose and if he does it will be end of days right? It wasn't end of days when Obama was in office for 8 years, it wasn't when Trump was in office for me and it won't be when Biden is for 4 years. Pick yourselves up from your book straps and slap yourselves in the face and wake up. If you guys are the real America, it looks weak as shit right now.

Thanks AOC Petey.

Gunny
10-25-2020, 02:41 PM
As much as I talk about moving to Fiji or Cook Islands, I have grandkids here and I believe their parents will need my help if things go sour here in America. Used to think I was prepping for my survival but at my age I'm wiling to give it up for them.Yeah. I'm already stuck there. If not for my daughter and her kids, I'd have no problem leaving.

Would we be closer neighbors if I was in Bali and you Fiji than we are Texas and Arizona:thinking5:

SassyLady
10-26-2020, 12:06 AM
God you guys are pathetic drama snowflakes. Listen to yourselves. You're already accepting Trump is going to lose and if he does it will be end of days right? It wasn't end of days when Obama was in office for 8 years, it wasn't when Trump was in office for me and it won't be when Biden is for 4 years. Pick yourselves up from your book straps and slap yourselves in the face and wake up. If you guys are the real America, it looks weak as shit right now.
No, you're an idiot. I'm talking about defending against the people who won't accept Trump's victory.

SassyLady
10-26-2020, 12:13 AM
Yeah. I'm already stuck there. If not for my daughter and her kids, I'd have no problem leaving.

Would we be closer neighbors if I was in Bali and you Fiji than we are Texas and Arizona:thinking5:

Nope. 8 hr flight in between. You haven't made it to AZ yet and it's only 900 miles. :slap:

I said anywhere in Cook Islands....not too keen on Indonesia.

pete311
10-26-2020, 08:22 AM
Nope. 8 hr flight in between. You haven't made it to AZ yet and it's only 900 miles. :slap:

I said anywhere in Cook Islands....not too keen on Indonesia.

Real patriots, tuck and run

Gunny
10-26-2020, 09:33 AM
Real patriots, tuck and runRun? From the likes of YOU? My other option is to start making there be less of you and your ilk. I have too much respect for God and myself to lower myself to that level unless I am forced to when I can just leave and watch you rats get what you deserve going down with your ship.

Gunny
10-26-2020, 09:37 AM
Nope. 8 hr flight in between. You haven't made it to AZ yet and it's only 900 miles. :slap:

I said anywhere in Cook Islands....not too keen on Indonesia.I've been across 10 so many times I don't even need a map to know what's next :) Texas Canyon used to be my "campground" between here and the coast.

If I can ever get away to mae the trip, I'll be sure and look you gals up :)

aboutime
10-26-2020, 04:38 PM
Real patriots, tuck and run


Pete the voice of experience first hand.
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