The search for mythical election fraud

[gabosaurus]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/kris-kobach-and-search-mythical-voter-fraud/617069/ ------ Why not just look? What’s the harm? This is the best case that President Donald Trump and his allies have for investigating claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election. Unfortunately for them, it’s still a very weak case. Republicans have for years been pushing claims of massive voter fraud that swings elections, and for just as long, they’ve failed to turn up evidence of it. On Tuesday, The New York Times published an article in which reporters contacted top election officials in all 50 states to ask if they had any evidence of fraud. Not a single state reported back an issue (though in four cases, the paper had to rely on public statements or other officials). Only one state had no response: Texas, where Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick offered a $1 million reward for evidence of fraud. You don’t offer huge cash prizes if you already have evidence. Rewards like this also create a strong incentive to gin up false claims. Already, a Pennsylvania postal worker who alleged fraud has reportedly recanted; donors have collected nearly $140,000 for him. But the best reason for skepticism comes from Trump himself. He’s claimed fraud before, and despite a major effort to find it, turned up nothing. After his 2016 victory, the new president appointed a commission to study the matter. The commission collapsed less than a year later, without producing any evidence of fraud, or any findings at all.

[SassyLady]

Trump was investigated for years about anything and everything. He's returning the favor.

[tailfins]

One key indicator that someone is pushing an agenda is the use of implausible circumstances. There was NO fraud? Really? Georgia was likely stolen from Trump. The margins in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan are too big to be overturned by fraud investigations. The level of fraud isn't enough to bring Joe Biden under 270 electoral votes, but there was indeed fraud. Out of fear of being accused of racism, the Georgia Secretary of State isn't criminally prosecuting thousands of proven double voters.

[KitchenKitten99]

So then you're perfectly ok with all the key states auditing their machines. Then again if you're taking your news from The Atlantic, you deserve to be lied to.

Nevermind that Solarwinds Cyber-security company was just raided in TX... and Dominion voting machines use Solarwinds software. Senior leadership of the company sold off their shares in mid-November and the CEO (who also sold off most of his shares) just forfeited his passport.

https://newsla.localad.com/2020/12/14/breaking-fbi-texas-rangers-and-us-marshals-raid-solarwinds-hq-in-austin-more-news-coming-on-ceo-and-executive-vice-president/

[jimnyc]

Nothing mythical about it & the complete lists of known fraud and overturned votes thus far are there for anyone to view. And it's a lot and cannot be denied. No need to continue to rehash it with someone who just keeps repeating the same thing and was told that the list is here on the board and gave google searches and links. And when still denied, no point pushing it. Just know it's real and proven and that's what matters. Hopefully though with this knowledge they can use it to get shit fixed going forward, and eliminate a lot of things in addition.

[gabosaurus]

Just know it's real and proven and that's what matters. Hopefully though with this knowledge they can use it to get shit fixed going forward, and eliminate a lot of things in addition. I agree with you on this part. Just remember that the pandemic is still around and a lot of people remain uncomfortable about going out. Voting by mail is going to be more prevalent in the future.

[KitchenKitten99]

Nothing mythical about it & the complete lists of known fraud and overturned votes thus far are there for anyone to view. And it's a lot and cannot be denied. No need to continue to rehash it with someone who just keeps repeating the same thing and was told that the list is here on the board and gave google searches and links. And when still denied, no point pushing it. Just know it's real and proven and that's what matters. Hopefully though with this knowledge they can use it to get shit fixed going forward, and eliminate a lot of things in addition.

I am hoping to see the Executive Order from 2018 acted upon if anything. Probably will be as a last resort. From everything I have read about and from Trump (his books are excellent insight as to how he navigates challenges)... he likes to try to let others (specifically his opposition) make the right choices first before exercising harsher legal options.

[KarlMarx]

I agree with you on this part. Just remember that the pandemic is still around and a lot of people remain uncomfortable about going out. Voting by mail is going to be more prevalent in the future.

If you sincerely want fair and honest elections, you would never have mail in balloting. Why?

1. You cannot authenticate that the person who cast the ballot is the same person who signed the ballot.
2. You cannot be certain that the person casting the ballot was not coerced or bribed into voting the way they did
3. You cannot guarantee that once the ballot leaves the voter’s hands that it would not be altered en route to the balloting station, or discarded before delivery to the balloting station
4. In many cases signature comparisons were not done on ballots. In cases where signatures were missing, those ballots were not discarded

You need to secure the elections by requiring photo ID and have in person balloting. Photo IDs can be easily obtaining even if the person does not own a car.

Voting machines are too easily tampered with. We were better off with the old style voting booth.


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[gabosaurus]

Voting by mail has been done successfully for more than two decades. Otherwise, you take the right away from American military members and citizens who are posted abroad. Trump has always voted by mail. Do you believe his vote to be fraudulent? Voting is supposed to be anonymous. People should not have to fear retribution because of their political beliefs. Of course, none of this would be an issue if Trump wasn't such a sore loser.

[SassyLady]

Voting by mail has been done successfully for more than two decades. Otherwise, you take the right away from American military members and citizens who are posted abroad. Trump has always voted by mail. Do you believe his vote to be fraudulent? Voting is supposed to be anonymous. People should not have to fear retribution because of their political beliefs. Of course, none of this would be an issue if Trump wasn't such a sore loser.

Everyone knows absentee ballots are different than mail in. In this fraudulent election ballots were mass mailed to people who didn't request. Huge difference Gabby.

Of course, being a liberal, you see nothing wrong with stealing an election.

[KarlMarx]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/kris-kobach-and-search-mythical-voter-fraud/617069/ ------ Why not just look? What’s the harm? This is the best case that President Donald Trump and his allies have for investigating claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election. Unfortunately for them, it’s still a very weak case. Republicans have for years been pushing claims of massive voter fraud that swings elections, and for just as long, they’ve failed to turn up evidence of it. On Tuesday, The New York Times published an article in which reporters contacted top election officials in all 50 states to ask if they had any evidence of fraud. Not a single state reported back an issue (though in four cases, the paper had to rely on public statements or other officials). Only one state had no response: Texas, where Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick offered a $1 million reward for evidence of fraud. You don’t offer huge cash prizes if you already have evidence. Rewards like this also create a strong incentive to gin up false claims. Already, a Pennsylvania postal worker who alleged fraud has reportedly recanted; donors have collected nearly $140,000 for him. But the best reason for skepticism comes from Trump himself. He’s claimed fraud before, and despite a major effort to find it, turned up nothing. After his 2016 victory, the new president appointed a commission to study the matter. The commission collapsed less than a year later, without producing any evidence of fraud, or any findings at all.

How about the myth of Russian Collusion with Trump campaign? After a two year investigation by Robert Mueller, no evidence of any collusion with the Russians was found. Yet, to this day, your side colludes to retell that very lie.

Your president elect, on the other hand, along with his son was involved in an influence peddling scheme with the Chinese Communist Party. In addition, while he was Vice President, Joe Biden threatened the Ukrainian prime minister that, if the special prosecutor investigating Hunter Biden was not fired in six hours, $1 billion in aid would be withheld. And he was recorded in a speech bragging about it.

Also, Biden was accused if sexual assault by a former staffer, Tara Reade.

Seems to me that a person who does these these things would find being involved in a conspiracy to commit election fraud a walk in the park.

[gabosaurus]

Everyone knows absentee ballots are different than mail in. In this fraudulent election ballots were mass mailed to people who didn't request. Huge difference Gabby. Of course, being a liberal, you see nothing wrong with stealing an election. Same thing happened in 2016. I am sure that there was an equal amount of fraud then as this year. Trump spend much of the 2016 campaign telling us how fraudulent the results were going to be. Of course, Trump won in 2016, so there was no follow up.

[SassyLady]

Same thing happened in 2016. I am sure that there was an equal amount of fraud then as this year. Trump spend much of the 2016 campaign telling us how fraudulent the results were going to be. Of course, Trump won in 2016, so there was no follow up.

Do you honestly believe that? Everyone knows that millions more ballots were printed and sent out this year due to COVID so no comparison. Even sent out to dead people.

And, Clinton could have filed lawsuits if she honestly believed it was rigged.

[icansayit]

Same thing happened in 2016. I am sure that there was an equal amount of fraud then as this year. Trump spend much of the 2016 campaign telling us how fraudulent the results were going to be. Of course, Trump won in 2016, so there was no follow up.


There's no other reason someone like you would intentionally come here to show all of us...you really are as dumb as you sound. After all. Like the DNC and Saul Alinski say...
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[KarlMarx]

Voting by mail has been done successfully for more than two decades. Otherwise, you take the right away from American military members and citizens who are posted abroad. Trump has always voted by mail. Do you believe his vote to be fraudulent? Voting is supposed to be anonymous. People should not have to fear retribution because of their political beliefs. Of course, none of this would be an issue if Trump wasn't such a sore loser.

Mail in balloting was never allowed in this country until now. The Democrats used COVID-19 as a pretext to foist it on the rest of us.

Military voting is done via absentee balloting, not by mail in balloting

“People should not have to fear retribution because if their political beliefs.” Like when BLM and Antifa targeted and attacked Senator Rand Paul? Like calls for the targeting of members of the Trump administration and appointees by Truth and accountability commissions as advocated by none other than AOC herself? Like the countless attacks against Trump supporters for wearing MAGA hats. Like the targeting on college conservatives by left wing goons with the blessing of college professors?
Like the threats repeated over and over again by BLM that if they don’t get their way, they will burn the system down (and have in many cities)?

Sore Loser?!?!?!?! You gotta be kidding me. Look in a mirror why don’t you! Your side spent the past four years being nothing but. And your side did everything it could to remove the President from office.

The Democrat Party and its supporters have morphed into a Neo-Nazi party that practices Gestapo brownshirt tactics, that is more interested in power than in justice. Because of your party, liberty for all is in peril. You tolerate no dissent and have absolutely no respect for those who disagree with you. Your disregard and contempt for the US Constitution is no secret.

[Bilgerat]

Michigan State Police arrest celebrated Democratic official on six felony charges of election fraud

Sherikia Hawkins, 38, city clerk for the city of Southfield, was arrested Monday after the Oakland County Clerk’s office noticed discrepancies in voter counts while certifying absentee ballots from Southfield. State police investigated and found that records had been altered so that nearly 200 voter files were improperly listed as invalid.



https://www.lawofficer.com/michigan-state-police-arrest-democratic-official-six-felony-charges-election-fraud/ (https://www.lawofficer.com/michigan-state-police-arrest-democratic-official-six-felony-charges-election-fraud/)

[jimnyc]

Mail in balloting was never allowed in this country until now. The Democrats used COVID-19 as a pretext to foist it on the rest of us.

Military voting is done via absentee balloting, not by mail in balloting

“People should not have to fear retribution because if their political beliefs.” Like when BLM and Antifa targeted and attacked Senator Rand Paul? Like calls for the targeting of members of the Trump administration and appointees by Truth and accountability commissions as advocated by none other than AOC herself? Like the countless attacks against Trump supporters for wearing MAGA hats. Like the targeting on college conservatives by left wing goons with the blessing of college professors?
Like the threats repeated over and over again by BLM that if they don’t get their way, they will burn the system down (and have in many cities)?

Sore Loser?!?!?!?! You gotta be kidding me. Look in a mirror why don’t you! Your side spent the past four years being nothing but. And your side did everything it could to remove the President from office.

The Democrat Party and its supporters have morphed into a Neo-Nazi party that practices Gestapo brownshirt tactics, that is more interested in power than in justice. Because of your party, liberty for all is in peril. You tolerate no dissent and have absolutely no respect for those who disagree with you. Your disregard and contempt for the US Constitution is no secret.

I noticed a LOT on the left confusing absenteeism balloting with mail in balloting and stating that we have had it for so many years and what not. Not sure where they got this from, probably was a CNN/MSNBC drive by.