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jimnyc
03-24-2021, 10:53 AM
I have yet to meet a single liberal that really had a clue about guns. Every one of them is an assault weapon. Even though pistols kill way more than any other gun, they are never talked about. It's always the assault rifle known as an AR-15, which is a semi-auto rifle, and liberals don't know the difference between that and fully auto.

While a shotgun is likely your better choice of weapon for home and in more close up shooting, to maximize and guarantee more or less IMO. Not everyone can handle one, and with respect, not all women can handle one. So an AR-15 and other rifles might be a better choice.

They also seem to think that everyone out there has fully auto weapons. :rolleyes:

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Are You a Firearms Moron?

Let me ask you some questions in order to ascertain whether or not you qualify as a Firearms Moron.

1. Which of the following is an AR-15?

A.

https://i.imgur.com/Fqb1Wvj.jpg

B.

https://i.imgur.com/0cZO7k0.jpg

C.

https://i.imgur.com/LCsL3RB.jpg

If you answered “A”, give yourself a gold star. The AR-15 fires a .223 or .556 cartridge. “B” is an AR-10, which originally was designed to use a 7.62 x 51 mm cartridge. “C” is a Sig Sauer Rattler that uses 300 blackout ammo.

2. Is an AR-15 tougher to control than a shotgun? Joe Biden says no. Get a shotgun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFjF9kW9Mcc&feature=emb_logo

I think Joe Biden earns a moron sticker for his “recommendation.”

3. Will a fully automatic AR-15 inflict more casualties with one sixteen round magazine than a semi-automatic AR-15 with two ten round magazines?

Fully automatic weapons are highly overrated. While such a rifle looks great on a Hollywood flick, firing with full auto makes the rifle more difficult to control and less accurate. Also, firing a full magazine in a matter of seconds heats the barrel up much more quickly than an AR fired slowly and methodically. Finally, how is your math? Two ten round magazines equals twenty bullets going down range vice the sixteen from the full auto.

4. Most gun battles involving pistols take place at a distance of 10 yards or greater. True or False?

False. Most gun battles take place at 21 feet (i.e. 7 yards) and closer. If you are up against a crazed shooter toting a pistol, put as much distance between yourself and the shooter as possible. Even highly trained pistol shooters have difficulty hitting a stationary target at 25 yards. Moving makes you even more difficult to hit.

5. You can walk into any licensed gun store in a Republican state, purchase a pistol and buy a gun without a background check. True or False?

FALSE. I know a number of former liberals who tried to buy a pistol in the wake of the Black Lives Matter riots last summer that were shocked to discover they had to wait three days (in Florida) to take their gun home even with a clean background check. Only citizens with a Concealed Carry License in Florida can walk out of the gun store the same day he or she buys a pistol provided he or she passes the background check. Some states require even a longer waiting period than three days.

6. The shootings in Atlanta and Boulder could have been prevented if only Congress had mandated a universal background check. True or False?

FALSE. Background checks on purchasing firearms from a licensed dealer is already mandatory. There is ZERO evidence that the sex-crazed religious fanatic in Georgia or the angry Muslim in Boulder skirted any gun laws or bought their weapons from a private seller.

The Second Amendment has a very clear purpose–ensure the citizens are armed so that they can defend themselves from an oppressive government. When a government has a monopoly on force, the citizenry is at their mercy. Our Founders understood the importance of an armed citizenry. More Americans fought in the Revolutionary War as part of a local militia than as a soldier in the Continental Army.


The early histories of the Revolution also tended to minimize the contributions of the militia, and one acclaimed account of the war, written as late as 1929, even referred to “the utter failure of the militia system.”

More recent studies, however, have gone a long way toward revising this predominantly negative assessment of the role played by the militia during the war for independence. Although the relative effectiveness of the Revolutionary militia varied from state to state and year to year, this newer scholarship has explored and described some of the crucial achievements of the militia that had been previously unexamined. These historians note that the role of the militia is easily misunderstood and that it has to be judged by different standards than those applied to a professional military force. . . . Although the militia was seldom able to stand up alone to British regulars, it nevertheless made a number of important, even vital, contributions to winning independence.

We are now witnessing a massive failure of once trusted institutions. These include the Department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA, and the Judiciary. I am not calling for patriots to take up arms against these organizations. I am simply reminding you that are history is tied in an important way to an armed citizenry capable of joining with neighbors to defend their communities.

If you are a citizen you have a responsibility if you are going to own a weapon. Get trained in how to use it safely and responsibly. Knowledge is power. That is especially true when it comes to the lawful ownership and use of a firearm.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/03/firearms-moron/

jimnyc
03-24-2021, 10:59 AM
Biden's Gun Control Proposals Make Little Sense As a Response to the Mass Shooting in Boulder

It is hard to see how an "assault weapon" ban or expanded background checks could have prevented this attack.

President Joe Biden has revived his call for a new federal "assault weapon" ban and expanded background checks following yesterday's mass shooting at a grocery store in Boulder, Colorado, which killed 10 people. "We can ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines," Biden tweeted today. "We can close loopholes in our gun background check system. This is not a partisan issue—it's an American issue that will save lives. Congress needs to act." As usual, those proposals make little sense as a response to a crime that supposedly illustrates the need for them.

According to the arrest affidavit, the suspect in the Boulder attack was armed with an AR-15-style "rifle" and a "semiautomatic handgun." The affidavit says he bought a Ruger AR-556 pistol, which has a 10.5-inch barrel and a "stabilizing brace," six days before the shooting. While it's not clear whether that was the "rifle" described by police and witnesses, either the Ruger pistol or an AR-15-style rifle would have been covered by the latest federal "assault weapon" bill and by a local ban that a Colorado judge blocked earlier this month.

But the "military-style" features targeted by such measures have little or nothing to do with a gun's deadliness in the hands of a mass shooter. And since Colorado already requires background checks for all gun purchases, it is hard to see how imposing that rule nationally, as Biden wants to do, could have stymied this shooter. That's assuming he had a disqualifying criminal or psychiatric record, and at this point it looks like he did not.

The Assault Weapons Ban of 2021, which Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D–Calif.) unveiled this month, would prohibit the manufacture or sale of "205 military-style assault weapons" by name. It also covers any semiautomatic rifle that accepts detachable magazines and has any of these features: "a pistol grip," "a forward grip," a folding or telescoping stock, "a grenade launcher," "a barrel shroud," or "a threaded barrel." Also classified as "assault weapons": any semiautomatic pistol that is "a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm" or that has "a threaded barrel," "a second pistol grip," "a barrel shroud," "the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip," "a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when unloaded," or "a stabilizing brace or similar component."

With the exception of grenade launchers (not very useful without grenades, which are strictly regulated under federal law), those features do not make a gun especially lethal. They have nothing to do with rate of fire, ammunition size, muzzle velocity, or muzzle energy.

By comparison, Boulder's ban is a model of simplicity. It prohibits unregistered possession of any semiautomatic rifle with "a pistol grip or thumbhole stock," "a folding or telescoping stock," or "any protruding grip or other device to allow the weapon to be stabilized with the non-trigger hand." It also covers "all semiautomatic center-fire pistols" that "have the capacity to accept a magazine other than in the pistol grip" or "have a protruding grip or other device to allow the weapon to be stabilized with the non-trigger hand."

Rest - https://reason.com/2021/03/23/bidens-gun-control-proposals-make-little-sense-as-a-response-to-the-mass-shooting-in-boulder/

jimnyc
03-24-2021, 11:10 AM
What is the main reasoning that folks are against guns? Because of killing, right? So they want to preserve life. Ok.

So in preserving life....

(fbi stats are always behind)

So from 2012,2013,2014,2015,2016:

31,533 people were killed by pistols altogether in that time.
1,473 people were killed by rifles altogether, AR-15 and all others combined.

A difference of 30,060 lives.

Do human lives not matter as much if not killed in a mass shooting? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

So why choose to go after the guns that kill the least? Because they are scary looking? Because some people are clueless? Both?

Mr. P
03-24-2021, 03:33 PM
What is the main reasoning that folks are against guns? Because of killing, right? So they want to preserve life. Ok.

So in preserving life....

(fbi stats are always behind)

So from 2012,2013,2014,2015,2016:

31,533 people were killed by pistols altogether in that time.
1,473 people were killed by rifles altogether, AR-15 and all others combined.

A difference of 30,060 lives.

Do human lives not matter as much if not killed in a mass shooting? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

So why choose to go after the guns that kill the least? Because they are scary looking? Because some people are clueless? Both?

Actually they have no such intent to preserve life which is reflected by this data...The report from the Guttmacher Institute, a research group that supports abortion rights, counted 862,000 abortions in the U.S. in 2017. That's just ONE YEAR!

Not intended to derail the thread I just had to say it.

icansayit
03-24-2021, 07:00 PM
More People died from GUNSHOTS in Chicago last year...in one month, than all of the fatalities recorded in AFGHANISTAN and IRAQ.

But that wonderful Liberal, Blind, Stupid, Ignorant, Hypocrite of a Mayor in Chicago won't say THAT!

jimnyc
03-25-2021, 12:53 PM
Actually they have no such intent to preserve life which is reflected by this data...The report from the Guttmacher Institute, a research group that supports abortion rights, counted 862,000 abortions in the U.S. in 2017. That's just ONE YEAR!

Not intended to derail the thread I just had to say it.

And that's just 2017 as you pointed out.

I have seen estimates for the total abortions since 1973 anywhere between 50,000,000 and 62,000,000.

Here are some numbers to think about. And don't think of these as simple numbers. or just eggs or whatever makes you feel better....

But realize as you read these numbers - these are babies. These are human lives. These are human lives that never had a say and never had a chance and never...

An estimated 62 million abortions have occurred since Roe v. Wade decision in 1973

From 1975-2012, the nation saw more than one million abortions each year

Friday marks the 48th anniversary of the landmark Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade, which has resulted in an estimated 62 million abortions, according to one analysis.

The National Right to Life Committee (NRLTC), the nation's oldest pro-life organization, says it reached an estimate of 62,502,904 by tracking data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the Guttmacher Institute, which previously served as a research arm of the nation's preeminent abortion provider, Planned Parenthood.

Since Guttmacher's latest data was from 2017, NRLTC used the number from that year -- 862,320 -- to project figures for 2018-2020. While CDC has provided counts up to 2018, its numbers are limited due to the exclusion of California, New Hampshire, and Maryland.

Much of the debate surrounding abortion has tended towards discussions about rights and when life begins. Among varying ideas advanced by the left, former Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards has argued that "there's no specific moment when life begins" and that hers began when her children were born.

Rest - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/abortions-since-roe-v-wade


Induced Abortion in the United States


Eighteen percent of pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) in 2017 ended in abortion.
Approximately 862,320 abortions were performed in 2017, down 7% from 926,190 in 2014.
The abortion rate in 2017 was 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44, down 8% from 14.6 per 1,000 in 2014.1 This is the lowest rate ever observed in the United States; in 1973, the year abortion became legal, the rate was 16.3
As of September 1, 2019, 29 states were considered hostile toward abortion** rights, 14 states were considered supportive and seven states were somewhere in between.
In 2019, 58% of U.S. women of reproductive age (nearly 40 million women) lived in states that were considered hostile to abortion rights. In contrast, 24 million women of reproductive age (35% of the total) lived in states that were supportive of abortion rights


https://i.imgur.com/yFHyhIs.png

WHO HAS ABORTIONS?


At 2014 abortion rates, about one in four (24%) women will have an abortion by age 45.
More than half of all U.S. abortion patients in 2014 were in their 20s: Patients aged 20–24 obtained 34% of all abortions, and patients aged 25–29 obtained 27%.
Adolescents made up 12% of abortion patients in 2014: Those aged 18–19 accounted for 8% of all abortions, 15–17-year-olds for 3% and those younger than 15 for 0.2%.
White patients accounted for 39% of abortion procedures in 2014, black patients for 28%, Hispanic patients for 25%, and patients of other races and ethnicities for 9%.
Seventeen percent of abortion patients in 2014 identified themselves as mainline Protestant, 13% as evangelical Protestant and 24% as Catholic, while 38% reported no religious affiliation and the remaining 8% reported some other affiliation.
The vast majority (94%) of abortion patients in 2014 identified as heterosexual or straight. Four percent of patients said they were bisexual; 0.3% identified as homosexual, gay or lesbian; and 1% identified as “something else.”
Fifty-nine percent of abortions in 2014 were obtained by patients who had had at least one birth.
Some 75% of abortion patients in 2014 were poor (having an income below the federal poverty level of $15,730 for a family of two in 2014) or low-income (having an income of 100–199% of the federal poverty level).5
In 2014, 16% of patients who obtained abortions in the United States were born outside the United States, a proportion comparable to their representation in the U.S. population (17% of women aged 15*–44).
In 2014, 51% of abortion patients were using a contraceptive method in the month they became pregnant, most commonly condoms (24%) or a short-acting hormonal method (13%)


PROVIDERS AND SERVICES


In 2017, there were 808 clinics providing abortion services, a 2% increase from 2014. However, between 2014 and 2017, regional- and state-level disparities in abortion access grew: The number of clinics increased in the Northeast (by 16%) and the West (by 4%) and decreased in the Midwest (by 6%) and the South (by 9%).
Seventy-two percent of clinics offered abortions up to 12 weeks’ gestation in 2014, 25% up to 20 weeks and 10% up to 24 weeks.


MEDICATION ABORTION


In September 2000, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved mifepristone to be marketed in the United States for nonsurgical abortion. Currently, medication abortion is provided up to 10 weeks’ gestation.
Medication abortions accounted for 39% of all abortions in 2017, up from 29% in 2014.
The majority of medication abortions were offered in specialized clinics and in high volume facilities. In 2017, 30% of clinics provided only medication abortion.
Medication abortions increased from 5% of all abortions in 2001 to 39% in 2017, even while the overall number of abortions declined.


SAFETY OF ABORTION


A committee of the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine reviewed the available evidence and confirmed in a 2018 report that abortion is safe and effective.
Exhaustive reviews by panels convened by the U.S. and UK governments have concluded that there is no association between abortion and breast cancer. There is also no indication that abortion is a risk factor for other cancers.

INSURANCE COVERAGE AND PAYMENT

In 2014, the average amount paid for an abortion with local anesthesia in a nonhospital setting at 10 weeks’ gestation was $508. The average paid for an early medication abortion (up to nine weeks’ gestation) was $535.7
Most U.S. abortion patients had health insurance in 2014. Thirty-five percent had Medicaid coverage, while 31% had private insurance.5 However, insurance does not necessarily cover abortion services; even when it does, patients may not use their coverage for a variety of reasons (for example, because they do not know their plan covers it, they are concerned about confidentiality or their provider does not accept their plan).
Overall, 53% of abortion patients paid out of pocket for their procedure in 2014.
The Hyde Amendment currently bans the use of federal dollars for abortion coverage for people enrolled in Medicaid, the nation’s main public health insurance program for low-income individuals. Similar restrictions apply to other federal programs and operate to deny abortion care or coverage to people with disabilities, Native Americans, prison inmates, poor and low-income individuals in the District of Columbia, military personnel and federal employees.
Although the Hyde Amendment bars federal funds from being used to provide Medicaid coverage of abortion, states may use their own, nonfederal funds. Fifteen states have a policy requiring the state to provide abortion coverage under Medicaid.
In 2014, Medicaid was the second-most-common method of payment and was reported by 24% of abortion patients. The overwhelming majority of these patients lived in the 15 states that allowed state funds to be used to pay for abortion.
Fifteen percent of patients used private insurance to pay for the procedure. Most patients with private insurance (61%) paid out of pocket.


TRAVEL AND LOGISTICAL BARRIERS


In 2014, 65% of abortion patients traveled less than 25 miles one way to obtain care, 17% traveled 25–49 miles, 10% traveled 50–100 miles and 8% traveled more than 100 miles.
Greater distances to abortion facilities are associated with increased burden on patients, including higher out-of-pocket costs for associated services such as food, lodging and child care; lost wages;15 increased difficulty getting to the clinic;16 delayed care;17 and decreased use of abortion services.
Abortion patients who lived in states with waiting period requirements and adolescents who lived in parental notification states traveled farther than those in states without such laws.
The proportion of abortion patients who traveled more than 100 miles for services was twice as high among those at or beyond 16 weeks of gestation as among those who were at 12 weeks’ gestation or less (14% vs. 7%).
If Roe v. Wade were overturned or weakened, increases in travel distances would likely prevent 93,500 to 143,500 individuals each year from accessing abortion care.
If Roe v. Wade were overturned or weakened, abortion patients’ average distance to the nearest facility would increase by 97 miles, from 25 to 122 miles


https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states?gclid=CjwKCAjw6fCCBhBNEiwAem5SO7NhtpgqXDp5V rDvt-ulKFHoyxRB6723g5MMcWvLU0tUcs3NJWTTzBoCG0sQAvD_BwE#