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jimnyc
04-13-2021, 01:00 PM
Anyone else been following the trial? I haven't been watching or anything like that, just making sure that I search around and read updates daily on the case.

I thought that the prosecution laid down a good case. And while they were trying to prove that Chauvin was responsible for his death, they also covered the defenses likely defense.

Gonna come down to WHAT the jury thinks and believes about all the drug use he has done. Did the drugs kill him or would it had otherwise killed him anyway? Or did the drug use combined with the overall stress of being arrested perhaps cause his death? How much of a role did the drugs play, and perhaps along with a legitimate arrest and legit in the manner in which he subdued him until ambulances arrive?

Or will they simply believe that the drugs played a limited role & that Chauvin was the direct and main result, and that his technique of kneeling was out of line and killed him as a result?

And now, yet another shooting death, even if accidental. Not sure the citizens give a shit about that. So will that have people riled up that much more this week?

Get your popcorn out. :popcorn:


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Derek Chauvin Trial, April 13 Live Updates: The State Rests Its Case; Defense Calls Witnesses

UPDATE (12:09 p.m.): Minneapolis police officer Nicole Mackenzie is recalled to testify for the defense concerning the department’s “excited delirium” training. Earlier in the trial, she testified for the state about the department’s course for CPR.

When questioned by Eric Nelson, Derek Chauvin’s attorney, Mackenzie detailed the training’s markers for excited delirium, such as profuse sweating, incoherence and “super human strength.” She said that when officers suspect they’re dealing with excited delirium, they’re trained to call for more help and restrain the suspect until paramedics arrive. Once the suspect is in handcuffs, officers are trained to move them in the side recovery position.

On the body-worn camera footage shown in court throughout the trial, one of the arresting officers, Thomas Lane, can be heard mentioning “excited delirium” as George Floyd is being held down. It’s because of this that Judge Peter Cahill allowed Mackenzie to testify on the training new officers, like Lane, receive on excited delirium.

Nelson asked if older officers, such as Chauvin, would have received the same training. Mackenzie said no.

On cross examination, prosecutor Matthew Frank asked if older officers would be trained to move suspects in the recovery position once they become unresponsive or pulseless. Mackenzie testified that they would have.

Excited delirium is a contested condition. Some of the medical experts to testify earlier in the trial said they don’t believe it’s a real medical condition.

UPDATE (11:32 a.m.): Minneapolis Park Police officer Peter Chang testifies in the trial of Derek Chauvin. He described the crowd that watched George Floyd’s arrest on May 25 as “loud and aggressive.”

Body-worn camera footage of his time at 38th and Chicago was played in court. On the video, Floyd can be seen sitting at the intersection, giving his name to one of the arresting officers, J. Alexander Kueng, who is charged with aiding and abetting Chauvin in the fatal arrest. Kueng asks Chang to run Floyd’s name in the squad computer. That clip of footage was not shown in court.

After, Chang is tasked with watching the two people who were in the car with Floyd. Chang can be heard talking with the two people, one of whom was Shawanda Hill, who testified early Tuesday. The other person, Morries Hall, gave Chang a fake name: “Ricardo.” Hall has invoked his 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination in the case.

After an ambulance took Floyd away from 38th and Chicago, Hill can be seen on the video yelling: “Why is [Floyd] going to the hospital?” Chang then responds: “Shawanda, you’re not helping.”

Not long after, another former witness appears on the video, Charles McMillian, who testified for the state about watching Chauvin pin Floyd down. He tells Shawanda to call Floyd’s family, telling her that officers did something to Floyd’s neck.

Chang told Eric Nelson, Chauvin’s attorney, that he was walking around so much in the video because he was concerned for the officers arresting Floyd, whom he often referred to as his “partners” in the video.

On cross examination, prosecutor Matthew Frank clarified that Chang must have assumed that the officers arresting Floyd were OK, because if they weren’t, they would have radioed for help. “Yes,” Chang said.

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UPDATE (10:40 a.m.): Shawanda Hill, who was with George Floyd in a vehicle before he was arrested on May 25, testified in the Derek Chauvin trial.

She told Eric Nelson, Chauvin’s attorney, that Floyd was friendly and talkative while inside Cup Foods but fell asleep when he got into the vehicle. Hill said she had to wake him up when the Cup Food workers approached the car about the fake $20 bill. She also had to wake him up when police arrived.

Prosecutor Matthew Frank asked if Floyd became startled when one of the arresting officers pulled a gun on him. “Very,” Hill said.

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UPDATE (10:21 a.m.): Retired Hennepin County paramedic Michelle Moseng testifies in the Derek Chauvin trial. She examined George Floyd following his arrest on May 6, 2019, almost a year before his fatal encounter with Chauvin.

Moseng testified that Floyd told her that he took an opioid during the arrest. He also told her that he took several pills in the hours prior. Moseng told the court that Floyd’s blood pressure was 216 over 160, adding that she urged him to go to the hospital.

Under cross examination, prosecutor Erin Eldridge asked if Floyd’s breathing was normal, if he was alert and if he was able to walk. Moseng testified that Floyd was able to do all those things.

UPDATE (9:37 a.m.): The state has rested its case in the trial of Derek Chauvin.

Immediately after, the defense called its first witness, Scott R. Creighton, a retired Minneapolis police officer who arrested George Floyd on May 6, 2019, almost a year before his fatal arrest at 38th and Chicago.

Judge Peter Cahill instructed the jury not to take this testimony as character evidence against Floyd. Instead, the testimony was to show what happened to Floyd when he ingested opioids during another arrest.

Body-worn camera video of the 2019 arrest was played in court. The short clip showed Creighton approaching Floyd in the passenger seat of an SUV and demanding that he place his hands on the dashboard. “Keep your hands were I can f—— see them,” Creighton says. “Keep your hands on the dash.”

In cross examination, prosecutor Erin Eldridge asked if Creighton drew his gun when he approached Floyd. He said yes. Eldridge then asked if Floyd said, “Don’t shoot me, I don’t want to get shot.” Creighton confirmed that Floyd said “something like that.”

Rest - https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/04/13/derek-chauvin-trial-april-13-will-the-former-minneapolis-officer-testify/

jimnyc
04-14-2021, 01:43 PM
Would he have survived this interaction with police if it weren't for heart issues & drugs in his body? Not sure how you answer or determine the answer here. But that's about what the jury will be responsible to answer here.

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Defense Medical Expert Says George Floyd’s Heart Condition, Drug Use Played ‘Significant’ Role In His Death

David Fowler, a former Maryland medical examiner, said Wednesday that the condition of George Floyd’s heart, as well as his drug use, played a role in his death.

Fowler testified that Floyd’s heart disease caused a “sudden cardiac arrhythmia” while he was being restrained by former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin. He further testified that Floyd’s use of fentanyl and methamphetamine, as well as the exhaust he inhaled from the police vehicle while he was being restrained, also contributed to his death.

The classification of Floyd’s death as a homicide, Fowler continued, means that his death was caused by intentional and harmful acts committed by another person, but does not imply that there was intent to kill.

“Intent to cause death is a common element but is not required for classification as a homicide,” Fowler said. “It is to be emphasized that the classification of homicide for the purposes of death certification is a neutral term and neither indicates nor implies criminal intent, which remains the determination within the province of a legal process.”

Fowler’s testimony comes after the prosecution argued that Floyd’s death was directly caused by Chauvin’s knee on his neck and that Chauvin’s use of force was both unnecessary and deadly. The defense has argued that Floyd died because of a drug overdose or because of his heart condition.

The prosecution rested their case Tuesday after calling 38 witnesses over 11 days.

Fowler has been described by some colleagues as “among the most respected forensic pathologists in America,” The Washington Post reported. The Maryland Attorney General’s Office recently asked the court to dismiss a lawsuit against Fowler filed over his findings in Anton Black’s police-involved death in 2018, according to the report.

https://dailycaller.com/2021/04/14/defense-medical-expert-george-floyds-heart-condition-drug-use-played-significant-role-death-derek-chauvin-trial/

fj1200
04-16-2021, 07:57 AM
Would he have survived this interaction with police if it weren't for heart issues & drugs in his body? Not sure how you answer or determine the answer here. But that's about what the jury will be responsible to answer here.

I don't think it can be even questioned that he would not have died in that 9 minutes but I don't think that's ultimately what gets decided on. He's facing three charges so it seems the jury will get to decide which of those he's guilty of if he's guilty.


When former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin goes on trial Monday (https://www.startribune.com/derek-chauvin-murder-trial-george-floyd-minneapolis-police-department/600029455/) for the May 25 killing of George Floyd, he will face three charges: second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/6935897-Derek-Chauvin-Second-degree-murder-charge). Here's what you need to know about the charges and what prosecutors must prove in order to convict Chauvin.
https://www.startribune.com/derek-chauvin-charges-trial-george-floyd-murder-manslaughter-police-minneapolis-minnesota/600030691/

jimnyc
04-16-2021, 02:04 PM
I don't think it can be even questioned that he would not have died in that 9 minutes but I don't think that's ultimately what gets decided on. He's facing three charges so it seems the jury will get to decide which of those he's guilty of if he's guilty.

https://www.startribune.com/derek-chauvin-charges-trial-george-floyd-murder-manslaughter-police-minneapolis-minnesota/600030691/

Oh, no doubt, and all that matters in the end as well! But I just mean perhaps in the jury room, and what they may be discussing. What their opinions are based on the facts they heard, and I think that's the kind of things they'll be discussing to then determine those 3 answers.

fj1200
04-16-2021, 04:06 PM
Oh, no doubt, and all that matters in the end as well! But I just mean perhaps in the jury room, and what they may be discussing. What their opinions are based on the facts they heard, and I think that's the kind of things they'll be discussing to then determine those 3 answers.

You could be right but if they spend much time thinking about that then the defense did their job.