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MtnBiker
04-14-2021, 06:08 PM
An interesting idea that has already gone further than I thought it would.



BOISE, Idaho — Idaho lawmakers appeared intrigued but skeptical on Monday when pitched a plan to lop off about three-fourths of Oregon and add it to Idaho to create what would become the nation’s third-largest state geographically.Representatives of a group called Move Oregon’s Border For a Greater Idaho (https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2020/07/move-oregons-border-petitioner-files-federal-lawsuit-in-quest-to-move-17-counties-to-greater-idaho.html)outlined their plan to a joint meeting of Idaho lawmakers from the House and Senate on Monday.
The Idaho Legislature would have to approve the plan that would expand Idaho’s southwestern border to the Pacific Ocean. The Oregon Legislature and the U.S. Congress would also have to sign off.
Supporters of the idea said rural Oregon voters are dominated by liberal urban areas such as Portland, and would rather join conservative Idaho. Portland would remain with Oregon.
“There’s a longtime cultural divide as big as the Grand Canyon between northwest Oregon and rural Oregon, and it’s getting larger,” Mike McCarter, president of Move Oregon’s Border for a Greater Idaho, told Idaho lawmakers.
If everything falls in line with Oregon, supporters envision also adding adjacent portions of southeastern Washington and northern California to Idaho. Backers said residents in those areas also yearn for less government oversight and long to become part of a red state insulated from the liberal influence of large urban centers that tend to vote Democratic.
“Values of faith, family, independence. That’s what we’re about,” said Mark Simmons, an eastern Oregon rancher and former speaker of the Oregon House of Representatives. “We don’t need the state breathing down our necks all the time, micromanaging our lives and trying to push us into a foreign way of living.”
President Joe Biden easily won Washington, Oregon and California in November, while President Donald Trump carried Idaho with 64%. The Idaho House and Senate each have supermajorities of Republicans.
The group’s strategy has been to get advisory votes in Oregon counties likely to make the switch. But last November the group had mixed success with two counties opting to join Idaho but two wanting to stay a part of Oregon (https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/2-rural-oregon-counties-vote-to-consider-joining-idaho-move-oregons-border-dream-remains-long-shot.html). Supporters blamed the setback on the coronavirus pandemic and an inability to get their message out. Five more Oregon counties are expected to vote on the matter in May.
The county votes carry no weight, but are intended to potentially sway lawmakers to ultimately approve the plan.
Republican Rep. Ben Adams, one of Idaho’s more conservative lawmakers who gave a fiery speech on the House floor last week revolving around freedom, said his interest was piqued but wondered why Oregon lawmakers would agree to the plan.


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https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2021/04/idaho-lawmakers-hear-pitch-to-absorb-three-fourths-of-oregon.html

SassyLady
04-15-2021, 01:01 AM
I like the idea.

Russ
04-15-2021, 08:55 PM
Instead of joining Idaho, how about eastern Oregon and Washington just split off and become a 51st state? It could be a bargaining chip when the Dems start crying the Puerto Rico or Washington DC need to become states.

MtnBiker
04-17-2021, 08:53 AM
Instead of joining Idaho, how about eastern Oregon and Washington just split off and become a 51st state? It could be a bargaining chip when the Dems start crying the Puerto Rico or Washington DC need to become states.

Its a long shot and certainly wouldn't happen with the current congress. I think counties joining Idaho would be an easier process than forming a new state government and it wouldn't create 2 new senators.

SassyLady
04-17-2021, 12:41 PM
Its a long shot and certainly wouldn't happen with the current congress. I think counties joining Idaho would be an easier process than forming a new state government and it wouldn't create 2 new senators.

However, if they are planning to be a red state it would put 2 more conservatives in Senate.

fj1200
04-17-2021, 08:47 PM
Never happen. We'll get another California or two before this happens.


New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

darin
04-19-2021, 08:33 AM
would be fucking, (sigh), heaven.

KarlMarx
04-19-2021, 11:32 AM
Yeah but, like the story says it will require both state legislatures snd Congress to sign off on it.

Upstate New York has thought of a similar idea, i. e. separate itself from NYC, and it hasn’t gone anywhere

Still, I wish them well, it may change elections.