Sympathy for the families of Ashli Babbitt and Ahmaud Arbery

[Russ]

What do Ahmaud Arbery and Ashli Babbitt have in common? Both were shot to death and the media didn't care. I posted about Ahmaud Arbery back when it happened in early 2020, before the BLM riots. The media didn't care because it happened in an area not known for rioting, so there wasn't enough death and destruction for the media to stir up.

Ashli Babbitt, on the other hand, was shot to death entering the Capitol with the mob in January. She was breaking the law, but breaking and entering should not be a reason to shoot someone to death. She was unarmed and didn't harm anyone. She had served in the Air Force for 14 years and earned numerous medals. And now the media treats her as if she deserved to die and there was nothing tragic about her death. Despite entering the Capitol during a riot, she deserves better than that.

At a time when police officers are fired and put on trial for being near a shooting, the Capitol Police person today was declared "justified" in the killing by the Biden administration. They won't face any charges or trial, won't be even docked a day's pay. The media won't even identify this person.

We are living in dangerous times. There are two different systems of justice today. Some people might say "sure it's two sets of justice, to make up for the different sets of justice we had 60 years ago", but when they say that they are also saying it is okay to have two sets of justice (just as long as its slanted the way you want).

Things are bad and are going to get worse until the media (eg CNN) climbs out of the gutter. I'm not holding my breath.

[fj1200]

Those are not apples to apples comparisons. To call what Babbitt was doing at the Capitol a B&E is disingenuous. And to say the media doesn't care about Arbery is false. The story took some time to get traction but he was one of the big 3 that started the whole thing last year.

We may be living in dangerous times but this is not an example IMO.

[jimnyc]

Those are not apples to apples comparisons. To call what Babbitt was doing at the Capitol a B&E is disingenuous. And to say the media doesn't care about Arbery is false. The story took some time to get traction but he was one of the big 3 that started the whole thing last year.

We may be living in dangerous times but this is not an example IMO.

Arbery was hunted like an animal and killed. Yes, Ashley followed a crowd and broke their way into the capitol. She was not armed unless you count a backpack. She had barely reached the window entry and was shot to death. She was in trouble and was likely facing charges, and trying to enter through a window - but I still see it as a bad shooting. The justification isn't there. Unless him just being scared and her climbing is justification. I ask that honestly as that would be the question. Was the fear he had of the crowd or anyone going further enough to have shot and killed this woman? I don't think so, but that's just one shmo's opinion here.

[fj1200]

Arbery was hunted like an animal and killed. Yes, Ashley followed a crowd and broke their way into the capitol. She was not armed unless you count a backpack. She had barely reached the window entry and was shot to death. She was in trouble and was likely facing charges, and trying to enter through a window - but I still see it as a bad shooting. The justification isn't there. Unless him just being scared and her climbing is justification. I ask that honestly as that would be the question. Was the fear he had of the crowd or anyone going further enough to have shot and killed this woman? I don't think so, but that's just one shmo's opinion here.

First, I don't know what we know about what they knew at the time but if the VPOTUS or other elected officials were behind them I think it's a good shoot. I'm not going to judge harshly given the circumstances at the Capitol that day.

On Arbery, I disagree with much of the narrative. They weren't just out going after black people they were reacting to circumstances in the neighborhood. They acted stupidly but acting stupidly is not first degree murder. Like Chauvin it depends on what they charge them with.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime/lawyers-mcmichaels-did-not-target-arbery-because-he-was-black/L3SKXZWAMNCOBM75BHFDQY7MIA/

[Russ]

Those are not apples to apples comparisons. To call what Babbitt was doing at the Capitol a B&E is disingenuous. And to say the media doesn't care about Arbery is false. The story took some time to get traction but he was one of the big 3 that started the whole thing last year.

We may be living in dangerous times but this is not an example IMO.

Completely disagree with everything you said. No offense.

[fj1200]

Because???

[jimnyc]

First, I don't know what we know about what they knew at the time but if the VPOTUS or other elected officials were behind them I think it's a good shoot. I'm not going to judge harshly given the circumstances at the Capitol that day.

On Arbery, I disagree with much of the narrative. They weren't just out going after black people they were reacting to circumstances in the neighborhood. They acted stupidly but acting stupidly is not first degree murder. Like Chauvin it depends on what they charge them with.

The reason I see them as murderers is clearly the shooting. It's one thing to try and stop a criminal, or even catch them. But these guys took police matters into their own hands and gathered weapons and chased him down. Instead of trying to subdue him or call the police, guns were out and at the ready before anything happened. And then IMO, it appeared the son shot him in cold blood. I didn't see his life in imminent danger - other than the excuse of thinking maybe he may take his gun from him - of which he put himself in that situation. Not just because he had a gun, but because they appeared to have him "cornered" and both armed and appeared ready to kill him.

The vigilante part was the beginning of the errors, not calling the police, not call them when they located him, and then confronting with the weapons. I know that doesn't make them guilty. I know it's possible that Arbery was a criminal, and maybe he attacked/fought with them before weapons drawn & he was truly in fear for his life as a result of everything. I just don't see it and don't trust them. An intuition on the trust thing. I don't make for a good juror probably. :)

[fj1200]

I don't think Arbery was a criminal and was likely only guilty of looking in a house under construction and getting water or something. But no justification for their actions with one of them being an ex cop. I only think the narrative around their actions is wrong but narrative is the name of the game for BLM.

FWIW the citizens arrest law in GA was unanimously repealed during the legislature's session last month.

[jimnyc]

I don't think Arbery was a criminal and was likely only guilty of looking in a house under construction and getting water or something. But no justification for their actions with one of them being an ex cop. I only think the narrative around their actions is wrong but narrative is the name of the game for BLM.

FWIW the citizens arrest law in GA was unanimously repealed during the legislature's session last month.

I was thinking some more on this case, or more like the implications & what public reaction will be, depending on the verdict.

And I was thinking if maybe there was a fix in somehow? If there was ever a time for a fix of sorts, it would be be now. And fixed to be guilty. Why? What the response will be if he is found not guilty of all charges. I think last year would be tame and riots would break out all over & then some.

Gonna find out either way soon enough with closing arguments set for tomorrow morn.