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jimnyc
05-10-2021, 12:46 PM
Sometimes what makes the most sense and where the circumstantial evidence is so overwhelming and that prior actions and words speak so so loudly, that needing 100% proof isn't necessary. Well, being as important and deadly as this is, the proof is of course necessary. But as of now, I don't see anything even remotely in the same league as the leak from this lab.

All that is left is to determine how it escaped from this lab. Was it incompetence from inside? Incompetence from those overseeing/regulating from out front? Was it the aggressiveness of the testing they were doing and it was just inevitable?

Who was involved inside? Who leaked it? Who all was involved? Was the work possibly the gain of function, which would indirectly tie the US to the testing going on in there?

Or was it the worst case scenario and it was let out on purpose? And if so, the reasoning? Would it explain such low numbers in certain areas? Of course we don't know right now what the hell the numbers are over there, things are kind of secretive in case you didn't notice. But when I was able to check over time, oddly, the major cities where the leaders all were had such extremely low numbers. Of course they shut the town borders down but was also as if they knew in advance and planned what to do. Just a conspiracy theory guess on that one.

IMO, the most likely is the gain of function testing and someone messed up somewhere or a suit messed up somewhere and it leaked out. Not like I trust them enough to not do on purpose either. But I think the bat lady was right and knew instantly that it leaked. And then all of the lying and confusion started a tsunami of infection out there for a few months before much was known or done.

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Renowned Scientists Publish Study by NYT Reporter Tying Coronavirus to Chinese Lab

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists last week published a lengthy report from New York Times (https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/), Nature, and Science writer Nicholas Wade that strongly argued for the theory that Chinese coronavirus originated in a Chinese laboratory.

The Bulletin is a nonprofit organization dating back to the early days of nuclear technology, perhaps best known for its “doomsday clock” that estimates the risk of apocalyptic nuclear or biological war.

Wade’s report was not published by the New York Times or his other regular journals. He self-published it on Medium before it was picked up by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. It appears to be his first self-publication, and his first credit at the Bulletin.

Wade’s report is one of the most comprehensive looks at the laboratory origin theory to date, meticulously recounting everything known about the coronavirus outbreak and patiently dismantling the alternative theories about natural origins and animal transmission. His mission statement is that “so far there is no direct evidence for either theory,” but the absence of evidence for the supposedly “more likely” theory of animal transmission is a huge red flag, and the available “clues” point more strongly at the Wuhan laboratories.

Wade noticed what some skeptical scientists pointed out after the World Health Organization (W.H.O.) reported the results of its controversial Wuhan investigation: the report asserts animals most likely passed the coronavirus along to humans after the virus originated in nature, but no evidence exists that this happened and there should be considerable biological evidence to support this theory at infamous “wet markets” where infected animals were supposedly trafficked.

Wade noted the important, but curiously under-reported, fact that even Chinese researchers have documented early cases with no linkage whatsoever to the wet markets. The W.H.O. report admitted that, after a year of frantic searching and testing over 80,000 animals, no one can find the animal that supposedly transmitted the coronavirus to humans.

The most common suspect for incubating the virus is the bat, which theoretically either gave Chinese coronavirus to humans or infected an intermediate species that did so. The intermediate species remains elusive, and the particular colony of bats often fingered as the most likely originators of the coronavirus – bats from a cave in Yunnan that gave six Chinese miners a mysterious disease with symptoms very similar to the coronavirus in 2012, killing three of them – is located nearly 1,000 miles from Wuhan.

The outbreak began not in Yunnan, where the caves are located, but in Wuhan, where the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) is located – and where there is documentary evidence that scientists were studying samples of the Yunnan disease. Wade recalled that the WIV also has a documented history of safety violations. As he explained in great detail, there are also aspects of the Wuhan coronavirus that suggest it was subjected to precisely the sort of experiments the WIV was performing to understand viruses better and create more effective therapies.

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has furiously denounced the laboratory origin theory as conspiracy-mongering but, Wade argues with extensive detail, the clues that have slipped out of China’s paranoid authoritarian regime are much more consistent with laboratory origins than natural transmission, even if none of those clues measures up to smoking-gun proof.

“It seems to me that proponents of lab escape can explain all the available facts about SARS2 [Chinese coronavirus] considerably more easily than can those who favor natural emergence,” he added. “Proponents of natural emergence have a rather harder story to tell.”

Wade argued none of the key evidence for the animal transmission theory has been found – from the source of the coronavirus in nature, to the intermediate species that might have passed it to humans, to any evidence of the coronavirus slowly gathering strength among the human population as such diseases normally do. There isn’t even a solid explanation for why the outbreak began exclusively in Wuhan if animals were passing it to humans, since there are many other places in that region of China where they could have done so.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/05/10/renowned-scientists-publish-study-by-nyt-reporter-tying-coronavirus-to-chinese-lab/

NightTrain
05-10-2021, 01:19 PM
There's no doubt in my mind that it escaped the lab. I don't think it was intentional, but nevertheless that's where it came from.

And I think it was upgraded as they were tinkering & experimenting with the virus - possibly not knowing that it had gained the improved contagion functionality nature of it.

At least we can be thankful this bug wasn't a lot more lethal, because we'd have billions dead by now.

The commies are lying about it, and that's nothing new. At some point it'll be proven that it came from that lab, but that really won't change anything or the official denials.

jimnyc
05-10-2021, 02:09 PM
There's no doubt in my mind that it escaped the lab. I don't think it was intentional, but nevertheless that's where it came from.

And I think it was upgraded as they were tinkering & experimenting with the virus - possibly not knowing that it had gained the improved contagion functionality nature of it.

At least we can be thankful this bug wasn't a lot more lethal, because we'd have billions dead by now.

The commies are lying about it, and that's nothing new. At some point it'll be proven that it came from that lab, but that really won't change anything or the official denials.

That's about where I stand with it right now, although I distrust them SO much that nothing would surprise me & no amount of proof would satisfy me.

Kathianne
05-10-2021, 02:12 PM
There's no doubt in my mind that it escaped the lab. I don't think it was intentional, but nevertheless that's where it came from.

And I think it was upgraded as they were tinkering & experimenting with the virus - possibly not knowing that it had gained the improved contagion functionality nature of it.

At least we can be thankful this bug wasn't a lot more lethal, because we'd have billions dead by now.

The commies are lying about it, and that's nothing new. At some point it'll be proven that it came from that lab, but that really won't change anything or the official denials.

Me too. From the beginning.

jimnyc
05-10-2021, 02:44 PM
Me too. From the beginning.

At first I truly believed it was all about the wet market. But the odds were that since it's known to come from the urine of certain bats... and no bats were sold at the market, my suspicions started there. Then nothing ever found there, but we know where the first patient and more started coming in at. We know for a fact how the Bat Lady felt from her very first initial finding out of the sickness and potential leak. The distance between the lab and the hospital. Then once genetic samples started making their rounds, those that had no entry into politics or interviews spoke out quite often and there opinions leaned towards the leak from the lab, and also that this virus seemed to have been modified. The information comes out about the lab itself and how it was ran and how little it was overseen for security & mistakes. -- Apparently a job listing went out on November 18th 2019, looking for postgrads to help study the coronavirus in humans and bats. It says that they were particularly interested in molecular mechanisms that let coronavirus lie dormant for a long time without symptoms. -- Apparently a researcher got bat blood and bat urine not long before the outbreak. A researcher named Junhua Tian described these exact experiences in an interview with the Changjiang Times (https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/114720192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf).

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Was there any other possible pathway? We screened the area around the seafood market and identified two laboratories conducting research on bat coronavirus. Within ~280 meters from the market, there was the Wuhan Center for Disease Control & Prevention (WHCDC) (Figure 1, from Baidu and Google maps). WHCDC hosted animals in laboratories for research purpose, one of which was specialized in pathogens collection and identification 4- 6. In one of their studies, 155 bats including Rhinolophus affinis were captured in Hubei province, and other 450 bats were captured in Zhejiang province 4. The expert in collection was noted in the Author Contributions (JHT). Moreover, he was broadcasted for collecting viruses on nation-wide newspapers and websites in 2017 and 2019 7,8. He described that he was once by attacked by bats and the blood of a bat shot on his skin. He knew the extreme danger of the infection so he quarantined himself for 14 days 7. In another accident, he quarantined himself again because bats peed on him. He was once thrilled for capturing a bat carrying a live tick.

Surgery was performed on the caged animals and the tissue samples were collected for DNA and RNA extraction and sequencing 4, 5. The tissue samples and contaminated trashes were source of pathogens. They were only ~280 meters from the seafood market. The WHCDC was also adjacent to the Union Hospital (Figure 1, bottom) where the first group of doctors were infected during this epidemic. It is plausible that the virus leaked around and some of them contaminated the initial patients in this epidemic, though solid proofs are needed in future study.

The second laboratory was ~12 kilometers from the seafood market and belonged to Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences 1, 9, 10. This laboratory reported that the Chinese horseshoe bats were natural reservoirs for the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) which caused the 2002-3 pandemic 9. The principle investigator participated in a project which generated a chimeric virus using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system, and reported the potential for human emergence 10. A direct speculation was that SARS-CoV or its derivative might leak from the laboratory.

In summary, somebody was entangled with the evolution of 2019-nCoV coronavirus. In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host, the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan. Safety level may need to be reinforced in high risk biohazardous laboratories. Regulations may be taken to relocate these laboratories far away from city center and other densely populated places.

https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/114720192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf

Gunny
05-10-2021, 03:42 PM
Timing was awfully convenient for the left/China. Just sayin'

Kathianne
05-10-2021, 03:45 PM
Timing was awfully convenient for the left/China. Just sayin'
Yep, if not for covid, we'd have different president.

Kathianne
05-10-2021, 04:06 PM
Related:

https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/05/10/report-chinese-paper-discussed-weaponization-of-sars-coronaviruses-in-2015-n389018

SassyLady
05-11-2021, 01:07 PM
Chinese lab generated and funded by Fauci and NIH.

Very convenient.

jimnyc
05-11-2021, 02:20 PM
Yep, if not for covid, we'd have different president.

Very very timely and then a tragedy was certainly not wasted but rather taken advantage of and used and abused.

I can picture many leading Democrats, sitting in a conference room in January of 2020 and with full smiles rounding the table looking for ideas on how best to utilize this virus to the fullext extent and use it to trounce upon Trump & freedoms. This is when fear porn started.

Day in and day out they pounded the media with the worst of the worst & impending doom, and the leader of the country is to blame. :rolleyes:

The country came to a halt and the goal was to make life unbearable for citizens - make it because of solely decisions made by Trump and how things CAN be better with someone else. The blame game stayed until election day. As did fear porn. As did limiting freedoms as much as possible making folks want change.

So much more complex than that. But I have no doubt that they made things like 90% worse than necessary and lied and lied and things just weren't as bad as reported as well.

Then came the daily double for them. George Floyd was killed. They ran with this and supported and pushed riots and protests leading to more issues pissing people off.

Then came of course the massive amounts of under-reporting, lies reported, censored news - both from the MSM and social media.

I believe no doubt that without them abusing the virus and media, Biden gets completely trounced. And the folks showing up in support in person & even on social media don't add up and still don't. :dunno: