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manu1959
09-22-2007, 02:06 PM
http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2007/09/22/770077.html&cvqh=itn_iran
Some of the missile trucks were painted with the slogans "Down with the U.S." and "Down with Israel." The parade also featured unmanned aerial surveillance drones, torpedoes, and tanks.
he is also speaking at columbia universtiy......
He is expected to address the American people directly in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes" airing Sunday, and through appearances at the U.N., Columbia University and several other events.
i hope some red neck man's up......:laugh2:
truthmatters
09-22-2007, 02:10 PM
Our country is stronger than this idiots words.
We prove we are better than him by letting his idiot philosophy destroy his own credibility.
manu1959
09-22-2007, 02:24 PM
Our country is stronger than this idiots words.
We prove we are better than him by letting his idiot philosophy destroy his own credibility.
he is at war with the us....has been since carter.....he wishes to destory a US ally......
amazing.....
truthmatters
09-22-2007, 02:30 PM
he is at war with the us....has been since carter.....he wishes to destory a US ally......
amazing.....
Maybe we can change the way his countrymen see us. He is their president but at some point they will chose a new leader. If we treat them with some modicum of respect then perhaps they will vote in a new leader who will not be so foolish. Iran has a very young population and they are crying out for a freer society and have been for years now. Ahmandinijahd got elected in part because of the countries fear of us after we entered Iraq.
Dilloduck
09-22-2007, 02:54 PM
Maybe we can change the way his countrymen see us. He is their president but at some point they will chose a new leader. If we treat them with some modicum of respect then perhaps they will vote in a new leader who will not be so foolish. Iran has a very young population and they are crying out for a freer society and have been for years now. Ahmandinijahd got elected in part because of the countries fear of us after we entered Iraq.
Elections in Iran are a bit iffy don't you think?
Gunny
09-22-2007, 03:03 PM
Maybe we can change the way his countrymen see us. He is their president but at some point they will chose a new leader. If we treat them with some modicum of respect then perhaps they will vote in a new leader who will not be so foolish. Iran has a very young population and they are crying out for a freer society and have been for years now. Ahmandinijahd got elected in part because of the countries fear of us after we entered Iraq.
Nice sentiment, but not going to happen.
First off, their President is who the mullahs decided would be President. Their so-called election was all over the news as the joke it was.
Second, NO ONE over there is our friend, period. There are those that pretend and play us, and those that don't bother and throw rhetoric at us. But ALL are taught from day one to hate us, both culturally and religiously.
Iran's population may not like their President, but they like us even less. Iraq is the living proof that the "open arms" and "throwing boquets" crap is a pipe dream.
JohnDoe
09-22-2007, 03:09 PM
Elections in Iran are a bit iffy don't you think?
I think Manu makes some good points but TM does too Dillo...the youth in Iran were begging for us to help them right up to and even after 9/11 and we were helping them, behind the scenes.... but we had to stop, or curb it, with the war in Iraq and afghanistan keeping us busy, I believe?
Ahmadinejad, will not be reelected, I would bet a Lincoln on it....and he does not rule the country is what I have read, the religious hierarchy does....
I think the part that TM said about us being a strong country and able to handle it is a pretty good point too.....
but at the same time, I would wonder if a ploy like this might make him more popular? I can't quite figure out how, but I am still pondering on that... :)
jane
stephanie
09-22-2007, 03:12 PM
Lots of Comments on the site to this letter..
Open Letter to Progressive Opponents of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
by The Columbia Coalition Against the War
As Columbia only very recently announced, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will be speaking in Roone Arledge auditorium this Monday. A number of students and student organizations have already announced plans for a protest rally the same day. We are not among them. We do not endorse Ahmadinejad or his views, many of which are inexcusable. However, as opponents of a US military strike against Iran, we have serious concerns with the content of some of the hostility that has been expressed to his presence, and specifically with the planned protest.
We fear the demonization of Ahmadinejad, because we think this demonization contributes to the likelihood of war. In the current climate, with many on the political right in the U.S. and Israel pushing for air strikes, a campaign against Ahmadinejad is dangerous, regardless of the intentions of most involved. A call to action, unless it prominently rules out war, implies military action.
A rally where each speaker denounces Ahmadinejad's reactionary policies and just a few call explicitly for military action will still be perceived, on campus and around the U.S., as pro-war. The right-wing media, from Fox News to the New York tabloids, has already jumped on the event, and will spin it to favor their cause. Conservative organizations with no affiliation to Columbia's campus, such as the David Project, have already signed on to the rally on Facebook, and are likely to distribute hundreds of warmongering flyers and picket signs. The rally will seem to be a sea of pro-war demonstrators -- and the more people who attend it and the more organizations that endorse it, the more powerful this disastrous message will be.
A U.S. attack on Iran, which is not an inevitability but is a real possibility, would have consequences just as terrible as the invasion of Iraq. Thousands would die in initial air strikes, and more in the resulting backlash and regional conflagration. The work of Iranian campaigners for free speech, women's rights, and lesbian and gay liberation, and against racism and anti-semitism, would be set back immeasurably. As Iranian Nobel Laureate Shirin Ebadi has pointed out, "Human rights are not established by throwing cluster bombs on people. You cannot introduce democracy to a country by using tanks."
There are other means for engagement with Iran than war, and other means for disagreement with Ahmadinejad than the planned protest. We call on those who do not support a war with Iran to be wary of the vilification of Ahmadinejad, to avoid Monday's rally, and to express vocally their opposition to military intervention.
Columbia Coalition Against the War
http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/columbia220907.html
Gunny
09-22-2007, 03:16 PM
I think Manu makes some good points but TM does too Dillo...the youth in Iran were begging for us to help them right up to and even after 9/11 and we were helping them, behind the scenes.... but we had to stop, or curb it, with the war in Iraq and afghanistan keeping us busy, I believe?
Ahmadinejad, will not be reelected, I would bet a Lincoln on it....and he does not rule the country is what I have read, the religious hierarchy does....
I think the part that TM said about us being a strong country and able to handle it is a pretty good point too.....
but at the same time, I would wonder if a ploy like this might make him more popular? I can't quite figure out how, but I am still pondering on that... :)
jane
A few youths in Iran want us to interfere. Persians are every bit as nationalistic as we are, and the overwhelming majority will side with their country behind a bad leader before they will us.
Gaffer
09-22-2007, 03:23 PM
It's that time of year again, when all the dictators go to the un to bash the US for its policies. That's why he's coming here.
As Gunny said the president of iran is just a puppet of the mullahs. Their elections are a joke because anyone running for office there has to be approved by the mullahs.
His coming here is a disgrace to this country.
Gunny
09-22-2007, 03:27 PM
It's that time of year again, when all the dictators go to the un to bash the US for its policies. That's why he's coming here.
As Gunny said the president of iran is just a puppet of the mullahs. Their elections are a joke because anyone running for office there has to be approved by the mullahs.
His coming here is a disgrace to this country.
I think the UN being in this country is a disgrace, but that's a different topic. President Alphabet has been inconclusively identified as one of the US Embassy kidnappers in 1979, he held a summit denying the Holocaust, and whether just him or not, Iran is pursuing nuclear power and anyone not in denial knows why.
He's an enemy of this Nation and should be treated accordingly, IMO.
5stringJeff
09-22-2007, 06:23 PM
Our country is stronger than this idiots words.
We prove we are better than him by letting his idiot philosophy destroy his own credibility.
He can spout his evil rhetoric in his country, not ours.
retiredman
09-22-2007, 08:25 PM
He can spout his evil rhetoric in his country, not ours.
at the UN, he can spout his evil rhetoric right next to the East River. I agree with TM, we are a big enough country to be the home of the UN and to allow the world to come speak about world issues here on our shores.
does the fact that he says it at the UN which is located in our largest city make his rhetoric any more damaging to us? Does it hurt us even more? Or does it make us seem even that much stronger to allow one of our main detractors to come to our shores and not let his hate affect is?
what did they teach us in grade school? "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me"
The guy is talking. Big deal.
Gaffer
09-22-2007, 08:46 PM
at the UN, he can spout his evil rhetoric right next to the East River. I agree with TM, we are a big enough country to be the home of the UN and to allow the world to come speak about world issues here on our shores.
does the fact that he says it at the UN which is located in our largest city make his rhetoric any more damaging to us? Does it hurt us even more? Or does it make us seem even that much stronger to allow one of our main detractors to come to our shores and not let his hate affect is?
what did they teach us in grade school? "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me"
The guy is talking. Big deal.
He intends to speak at Columbia university and the national press association as well. That is the disgraceful part. He should not be here speaking any more than hitler should have been here speaking at the height of WW2.
If we kick the un out of the country we wouldn't have to put up with these fools.
retiredman
09-22-2007, 08:48 PM
again...it's words. how do words hurt us? are we not confident enough in our own message that we need to worry about what this gasbag SAYS?
Dilloduck
09-22-2007, 08:50 PM
He is only here because the UN is here.
retiredman
09-22-2007, 08:52 PM
no shit? :laugh2:
Dilloduck
09-22-2007, 08:54 PM
no shit? :laugh2:
yup--
no shit
Gaffer
09-22-2007, 08:55 PM
Propaganda is made of words. People are influenced by words. Lies are perpetrated and spread with words. Words can hurt if they are used to influence. It's not a simple matter of name calling. He's doing this for a specific calculated purpose.
Dilloduck
09-22-2007, 08:59 PM
Propaganda is made of words. People are influenced by words. Lies are perpetrated and spread with words. Words can hurt if they are used to influence. It's not a simple matter of name calling. He's doing this for a specific calculated purpose.
Which is all the UN is---a bunch of empty propaganda.
retiredman
09-22-2007, 09:01 PM
Propaganda is made of words. People are influenced by words. Lies are perpetrated and spread with words. Words can hurt if they are used to influence. It's not a simple matter of name calling. He's doing this for a specific calculated purpose.
and his words are reported in news media all over the world. are his words somehow more persuasive given the location in which he speaks them?
Dilloduck
09-22-2007, 09:04 PM
and his words are reported in news media all over the world. are his words somehow more persuasive given the location in which he speaks them?
yup
retiredman
09-22-2007, 09:06 PM
yup
do tell....
Dilloduck
09-22-2007, 09:07 PM
do tell....
People are suckers for stuff like that
retiredman
09-22-2007, 09:10 PM
speak for yourself.
Having some tinhorn persian asshole blasting American from Tehran or from the podium in the UN is all the same to me.... it don't mean shit.
Dilloduck
09-22-2007, 09:16 PM
speak for yourself.
Having some tinhorn persian asshole blasting American from Tehran or from the podium in the UN is all the same to me.... it don't mean shit.
I don't think he considers you to be his target audience.
Gaffer
09-22-2007, 10:41 PM
Here's a link to why ahmalittlehitler should not be allowed in the US.
http://www.antimullah.com/
Caution graphic pictures not for the squeamish. But they will give you an idea of what iran is all about.
actsnoblemartin
09-22-2007, 11:38 PM
This man is advocating violence and terrorism, he should be jailed and deported.
Free speech ends when you advocate the murder of innocence
http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2007/09/22/770077.html&cvqh=itn_iran
Some of the missile trucks were painted with the slogans "Down with the U.S." and "Down with Israel." The parade also featured unmanned aerial surveillance drones, torpedoes, and tanks.
he is also speaking at columbia universtiy......
He is expected to address the American people directly in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes" airing Sunday, and through appearances at the U.N., Columbia University and several other events.
i hope some red neck man's up......:laugh2:
actsnoblemartin
09-22-2007, 11:41 PM
my dear friend, shouldnt we take threats seriously. I mean with all due respect, in 1996 some asshole named bin laden made threats, and look what happened. Now, please understand Im not comparing the two, only saying, I dont want to minimize what terrorists and their sympathizers say
How are you doing by the way brother, god bless you and your family patriot amen
I hope people will start to realize, we may not always agree, but were all americans.
speak for yourself.
Having some tinhorn persian asshole blasting American from Tehran or from the podium in the UN is all the same to me.... it don't mean shit.
TheyLive
09-25-2007, 05:35 PM
I'm glad Ahmadinejad spoke here, because I learned something from reading the transcript of his talk -- in fact, what often happens when people are allowed the opportunity to think for themselves and draw their own conclusions. (It is more than a sad irony that this concept required an elaborate explanation by the president of an Ivy League university to a US audience.)
Maybe it is just a personal preference, but it is my not habit to take the claims of the State Department or the prominent "personalities" who landed us in Iraq, or anybody who claims the authority to tell me what I should think on controversial subjects, at face value. I am also too familiar with campaigns of personal defamation and the drumbeat of warmongering to take such hysterics seriously. Anything worth communicating can be done in a way that allows for dialog, including policy critiques of other nations and their leaders. If those leaders happen to be present, all the better.
manu1959
09-25-2007, 05:59 PM
I'm glad Ahmadinejad spoke here, because I learned something from reading the transcript of his talk -- in fact, what often happens when people are allowed the opportunity to think for themselves and draw their own conclusions. (It is more than a sad irony that this concept required an elaborate explanation by the president of an Ivy League university to a US audience.)
Maybe it is just a personal preference, but it is my not habit to take the claims of the State Department or the prominent "personalities" who landed us in Iraq, or anybody who claims the authority to tell me what I should think on controversial subjects, at face value. I am also too familiar with campaigns of personal defamation and the drumbeat of warmongering to take such hysterics seriously. Anything worth communicating can be done in a way that allows for dialog, including policy critiques of other nations and their leaders. If those leaders happen to be present, all the better.
did you reach any conclusions or learn anything form his speech.....
Dilloduck
09-25-2007, 06:05 PM
I'm glad Ahmadinejad spoke here, because I learned something from reading the transcript of his talk -- in fact, what often happens when people are allowed the opportunity to think for themselves and draw their own conclusions. (It is more than a sad irony that this concept required an elaborate explanation by the president of an Ivy League university to a US audience.)
Maybe it is just a personal preference, but it is my not habit to take the claims of the State Department or the prominent "personalities" who landed us in Iraq, or anybody who claims the authority to tell me what I should think on controversial subjects, at face value. I am also too familiar with campaigns of personal defamation and the drumbeat of warmongering to take such hysterics seriously. Anything worth communicating can be done in a way that allows for dialog, including policy critiques of other nations and their leaders. If those leaders happen to be present, all the better.
The
elaborate explanation by the president of an Ivy League university to a US audience was a bit overshadowed when the same university president trashed him in person immediately prior to him speaking --don't you think?
TheyLive
09-25-2007, 06:17 PM
To Manu and Dilloduck:
Yes.
Gunny
09-25-2007, 07:39 PM
I'm glad Ahmadinejad spoke here, because I learned something from reading the transcript of his talk -- in fact, what often happens when people are allowed the opportunity to think for themselves and draw their own conclusions. (It is more than a sad irony that this concept required an elaborate explanation by the president of an Ivy League university to a US audience.)
Maybe it is just a personal preference, but it is my not habit to take the claims of the State Department or the prominent "personalities" who landed us in Iraq, or anybody who claims the authority to tell me what I should think on controversial subjects, at face value. I am also too familiar with campaigns of personal defamation and the drumbeat of warmongering to take such hysterics seriously. Anything worth communicating can be done in a way that allows for dialog, including policy critiques of other nations and their leaders. If those leaders happen to be present, all the better.
He should have been shot dead by a state-sanctioned assassin.
manu1959
09-25-2007, 07:45 PM
To Manu and Dilloduck:
Yes.
care to enlighten us?
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