Israel has found a possible link between Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine and myocarditis

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/israel-has-found-a-possible-link-between-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-and-myocarditis/ar-AAKLxYW?ocid=msedgdhp


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Israel has found a possible link between Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine and myocarditis
Herb Scribner - Sunday



An Israeli military paramedic prepares a Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, to be administered to elderly people at a medical center in Ashdod, southern Israel on Jan. 7, 2021. Israel’s Health Ministry said Tuesday it had found a small number of heart inflammation cases among young men who received the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine
© Tsafrir Abayov, Associated Press
An Israeli military paramedic prepares a Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, to be administered to elderly people at a medical center in Ashdod, southern Israel on Jan. 7, 2021. Israel’s Health Ministry said Tuesday it had found a small number of heart inflammation cases among young men who received the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine
Israel’s Health Ministry said Tuesday it had found a small number of heart inflammation cases among young men who received the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, Reuters reports.

Israel’s Health Ministry said the inflammation cases (called myocarditis) “were likely linked to their vaccination,” according to Reuters.
Per The Hill, the health ministry said “the cases typically occurred after the second dose, where patients would develop mild illness, chest pains, shortness of breath and rapid heart palpitations.”
What does Pfizer say?
Pfizer told Reuters it is aware of the findings and meets regularly to discuss new findings. But no causal link between the vaccine and heart inflammation — which is “an inflammation of the heart muscle, and can occur following certain infections,” according to The New York Times — has been identified.

“No causal link to the vaccine has been established,” Pfizer said in a statement to The Hill. “With more than 300 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine administered globally, the benefit-risk profile of our vaccine remains positive.”

Pfizer said these findings are often reviewed. It’s unclear if the vaccine developer will review the new research, though.

A look at the numbers
According to Reuters, there have been 275 cases of myocarditis in Israel from December 2020 to May 2021 among 5 million vaccinated people.

So, according to those numbers, there’s been a myocarditis case reported among 0.00005% of all vaccinated people.
Around 148 of those cases happened “around the time of vaccination,” the ministry said, according to The Hill.
More details on heart inflammation link
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said at the end of May that it planned to investigate rare cases of heart inflammation among young people and teens who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19. The CDC said the cases were unrelated to the vaccine.

The CDC said it planned to review “rates of myocarditis reports in the window following COVID-19 vaccination have not differed from expected baseline rates.”

Sorry to have to say this but the old adage applies.
""Where there is smoke , there is fire.""----Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

Honestly, this sounds very minor, after 300 million doses.

[Kathianne]

Honestly, this sounds very minor, after 300 million doses.

I agree, at least what we know thus far. Thankfully, imo, it seems enough are taking the vaccine.

Unlike those choosing not to vaccinate their children against killer diseases of childhood, on this one my mindset is your choice. If herd immunity is achieved, good. If not, those at risk know their risks. Our

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Honestly, this sounds very minor, after 300 million doses.

Agreed minor number, but Israel is a small nation and who knows how big the number will be in the coming months, or even years.
And how big the number will be in other nations, especially those nations that will use ways to hide that number. Hint, as in the USA.
USA because it is the biggest nation seeking ways to stab everybody with this new miracle drug.
Never before in the entire history of mankind has so many taken a drug that was produced so quickly and the set out to be given without the --usual safety procedures.
I hope and pray that the future shows these sad instances of adverse effects are truly rare and diminishing in number as time flows by.
Myself, speaking for myself- I'll wait and take my chances- especially so--- since the true mortality rate was so deliberately and egregiously manipulated to appear to be so very much higher than it actually was.
And that tragic and sad reality points to an ulterior motive behind the entire thing, imho.
A sinister motive-since it involved massive deceptions and massive costs to pull of..
And it is still involving massive deceptions and massive costs///,,,.....
My radar is up and waiting to see is the call it is pinging out to me.
Sometimes the extra caution is warranted, my friend.
I truly wish only the very best results for those already vaccinated. -- :salute:---Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I agree, at least what we know thus far. Thankfully, imo, it seems enough are taking the vaccine.

Unlike those choosing not to vaccinate their children against killer diseases of childhood, on this one my mindset is your choice. If herd immunity is achieved, good. If not, those at risk know their risks. Our

That is all well and good.
However , some of us are a bit more cautious and in addition have decided to exercise our Constitutional rights.
Being that this nation is all about rights and freedoms-that WHICH millions have died to protect, we make that choice.
I am not vilifying those that have taken the shots- as it is entirely their right to do so- on the same coin --IT IS MY RIGHT NOT TO DO SO!
And I do so adamantly and seriously fully expect not to be vilified for my exercising that right.
In fact, I sincerely pray that nobody ever comes to try to --FORCE ME- to bend to their willlllllllllllllllllll...
This true American, just don't play that game, a fact....
I've spent a lifetime --not paying that game- and not going to change now my friend.
And for what is worth, in the past those that tried to do that to me (wrongly force me)- suffered greatly.
No brag--just fact...-Tyr

[Kathianne]

That is all well and good.
However , some of us are a bit more cautious and in addition have decided to exercise our Constitutional rights.
Being that this nation is all about rights and freedoms-that WHICH millions have died to protect, we make that choice.
I am not vilifying those that have taken the shots- as it is entirely their right to do so- on the same coin --IT IS MY RIGHT NOT TO DO SO!
And I do so adamantly and seriously fully expect not to be vilified for my exercising that right.
In fact, I sincerely pray that nobody ever comes to try to --FORCE ME- to bend to their willlllllllllllllllllll...
This true American, just don't play that game, a fact....
I've spent a lifetime --not paying that game- and not going to change now my friend.
And for what is worth, in the past those that tried to do that to me (wrongly force me)- suffered greatly.
No brag--just fact...-Tyr

Just a fact, I already agreed with you on rights.

BTW, save the snark fir Abbey, she write it.

[jimnyc]

I am not vilifying those that have taken the shots- as it is entirely their right to do so- on the same coin --IT IS MY RIGHT NOT TO DO SO!


Been my stance from the beginning of this. This virus was different and the vaccines are different and came out very quickly. I fully understand the hesitation from others. And then various reports of effects from the vaccine make it that much more difficult. I too have concerns and as someone fully vaccinated now.

But keep in mind the media wants to amplify every last negative thing about this. The flu kills many yearly and the shot accounts for a small amount of deaths every year. But the MSM has/had no interest in making it national news nightly.

I just hope that tiny number presented may be of a bad batch or left out too long or something like that. Dunno though. And why I understand the hesitancy.

So I made my decision but fully support your own decision. No issue for me there.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Just a fact, I already agreed with you on rights.

BTW, save the snark fir Abbey, she write it.

Certainly was not intended to be snark.
Was intended to fully present my thoughts and reasoning for not taking the vaccine.
My words were to the public/ world -as to how I think and definitely how I stand.
I fully expressed my opinion that I do not condemn or vilify in any way any of the people that took the vaccine.
Perhaps the way I worded it implied - snark.
I do not lie- such was definitely not the case..
And yes I saw that you agreed with me on the rights my friend.
That clearly was enough for me.--Tyr

[Kathianne]

Certainly was not intended to be snark.
Was intended to fully present my thoughts and reasoning for not taking the vaccine.
My words were to the public/ world -as to how I think and definitely how I stand.
I fully expressed my opinion that I do not condemn or vilify in any way any of the people that took the vaccine.
Perhaps the way I worded it implied - snark.
I do not lie- such was definitely not the case..
And yes I saw that you agreed with me on the rights my friend.
That clearly was enough for me.--Tyr
Thanks, guess there's been too much incoming for me, considering how little I've been posting. I was too sensitive.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Thanks, guess there's been too much incoming for me, considering how little I've been posting. I was too sensitive.

No problem, using this medium and how we normally present our thoughts does not allow for the usual visual cues, tones, inflections that give a better picture of our true intent.
Plus , I admit in my haste , many times I do not word my declarations properly or adequately enough, to give a better understanding of what I truly mean.
So the greater part of blame lies with me my friend and the instances of my poor communication skills.. --Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

Just a fact, I already agreed with you on rights.

BTW, save the snark fir Abbey, she write it.

Well, hell

[Gunny]

Well, hell

:)

[Kathianne]

Well, hell
:laugh:

[Kathianne]

Well, hell
Me texting. Full on evidence of how I suck at it.

[Mika-El]

Been my stance from the beginning of this. This virus was different and the vaccines are different and came out very quickly. I fully understand the hesitation from others. And then various reports of effects from the vaccine make it that much more difficult. I too have concerns and as someone fully vaccinated now.

But keep in mind the media wants to amplify every last negative thing about this. The flu kills many yearly and the shot accounts for a small amount of deaths every year. But the MSM has/had no interest in making it national news nightly.

I just hope that tiny number presented may be of a bad batch or left out too long or something like that. Dunno though. And why I understand the hesitancy.

So I made my decision but fully support your own decision. No issue for me there.


Actually Jimny the process behind the Covid 19 vaccine, i.e., using the messenger RNA to create a spike protein is not new it dates back to Sars in 2003 and has been used to create vaccines for rabies, hepititis b, human papillomavirus and ebola.

So the idea behind it has been worked on for over 17 years before it was push driven into the vaccines you now see.

Now that said, any trend no matter how small is monitored. It could be these cases are coincidental or directly a result of some kind of response. Doesn't sound like it would be from the actual vaccine though but from the virus itself which may have been undiagnosed when they got their injections.

The spoke protein attachment process which "teaches" the body to find the virus coming in and fight it would not itself cause this. Either with these people the vaccine did not work, or they have some other pre-existing condition. Remember these vaccines are not guaranteed 100% at best 94% and even then no guarantee-never is. Not everyone's immune system with traditional or rna messenger vaccines build antibodies-they just don't opening the window up for the virus and this complication if I am not mistaken is why people with diabetes and heart disease are so vulnerable to the virus and the vaccine may not work for them.

For sure they will do more studies. Its small but anything more than 1 they monitor. You can be sure they will test those patients. I would be curious of those 250, how many had pre-existing medical conditions or could have had the virus and did not know it.

[jimnyc]

Actually Jimny the process behind the Covid 19 vaccine, i.e., using the messenger RNA to create a spike protein is not new it dates back to Sars in 2003 and has been used to create vaccines for rabies, hepititis b, human papillomavirus and ebola.

So the idea behind it has been worked on for over 17 years before it was push driven into the vaccines you now see.

Now that said, any trend no matter how small is monitored. It could be these cases are coincidental or directly a result of some kind of response. Doesn't sound like it would be from the actual vaccine though but from the virus itself which may have been undiagnosed when they got their injections.

The spoke protein attachment process which "teaches" the body to find the virus coming in and fight it would not itself cause this. Either with these people the vaccine did not work, or they have some other pre-existing condition. Remember these vaccines are not guaranteed 100% at best 94% and even then no guarantee-never is. Not everyone's immune system with traditional or rna messenger vaccines build antibodies-they just don't opening the window up for the virus and this complication if I am not mistaken is why people with diabetes and heart disease are so vulnerable to the virus and the vaccine may not work for them.

For sure they will do more studies. Its small but anything more than 1 they monitor. You can be sure they will test those patients. I would be curious of those 250, how many had pre-existing medical conditions or could have had the virus and did not know it.

Oh, I know that MRna is not new & has been used quite successfully within Oncology as well from what I understand. I was meaning to say that the manner in which the vaccine was created & the entire process it went through prior to public release and all - was much much quicker than normal. I believe on average it's normally and approximately about a 10 year process, which was cut down to less than a year this go 'round. But I will easily defer to you about vaccines and the things you listed, which I honestly don't know a ton about.

[Mika-El]

Oh, I know that MRna is not new & has been used quite successfully within Oncology as well from what I understand. I was meaning to say that the manner in which the vaccine was created & the entire process it went through prior to public release and all - was much much quicker than normal. I believe on average it's normally and approximately about a 10 year process, which was cut down to less than a year this go 'round. But I will easily defer to you about vaccines and the things you listed, which I honestly don't know a ton about.

Hey me neither. You are right it was released relatively quickly specifically because of that head start AND because we had an unprecedented focus by so many scientists in so many countries working on it at the same time and actually avoiding duplicity with each other on what to work on. So India, Britain, Israel, the US, Germany, Holland, Belgium they were already working on the idea of tricking or teaching the body to identify a virus and fight it without having to introduce the virus itself into the body which is what these "vaccines" do. I mean technically they are not even vaccines if you ask immunologists in the sense they can't cure or prevent the spread of the virus and t best suppress specific symptoms that might otherwise be fatal.

As well the virus is mutating as we speak so the vaccines we now have may or may not work on the mutated ones and those mutated ones may requie other specific vaccines to be created. The good news though is the idea of tricking the body to fight viruses with a messenger mrna may be as effective but quicker to develop than traditional introduction of the virus into the blood stream vaccines and of courseeach time they develop a rna messenger type vaccine that works it can be amended or altered for other treatment of other viruses. At least it gives them a head start.

The scary thing for most people is that it did seem to come very fast, its new for most people, so its scary. People thing it may have unintended side effects,, i.e., it will mutate your dna and turn you into something sinister or unleash a hidden change in your body-uh no a lot more boring then that.

I think some people have been reading about synthetic biology and how genetic re-engineering is creating new life forms or plants or food to eat so they think this vaccine is doing the same thing. No. It has nothing to do with the DNA.

Is it 100% safe. No. People of course can have adverse reactions to it, or it may not work on them at all. People who have the virus and do not know it should not take the vaccine and I believe doctors screen out people with cnronic cancer, diabetes, heart disease, auto-immune defficiencies such as lupus, psoriasis, muscular dystrophy, multiple scelerosis, asthma, aids, and so on so they have protocols monitoring the story on this thread and others and I am sure you know the one about blood clots, or miscarriages.


So you are right. I just meant to add to the discussion. We are for sure on the same page. Thanks for the clarification.

[jimnyc]

Hey me neither. You are right it was released relatively quickly specifically because of that head start AND because we had an unprecedented focus by so many scientists in so many countries working on it at the same time and actually avoiding duplicity with each other on what to work on. So India, Britain, Israel, the US, Germany, Holland, Belgium they were already working on the idea of tricking or teaching the body to identify a virus and fight it without having to introduce the virus itself into the body which is what these "vaccines" do. I mean technically they are not even vaccines if you ask immunologists in the sense they can't cure or prevent the spread of the virus and t best suppress specific symptoms that might otherwise be fatal.

As well the virus is mutating as we speak so the vaccines we now have may or may not work on the mutated ones and those mutated ones may requie other specific vaccines to be created. The good news though is the idea of tricking the body to fight viruses with a messenger mrna may be as effective but quicker to develop than traditional introduction of the virus into the blood stream vaccines and of courseeach time they develop a rna messenger type vaccine that works it can be amended or altered for other treatment of other viruses. At least it gives them a head start.

The scary thing for most people is that it did seem to come very fast, its new for most people, so its scary. People thing it may have unintended side effects,, i.e., it will mutate your dna and turn you into something sinister or unleash a hidden change in your body-uh no a lot more boring then that.

I think some people have been reading about synthetic biology and how genetic re-engineering is creating new life forms or plants or food to eat so they think this vaccine is doing the same thing. No. It has nothing to do with the DNA.

Is it 100% safe. No. People of course can have adverse reactions to it, or it may not work on them at all. People who have the virus and do not know it should not take the vaccine and I believe doctors screen out people with cnronic cancer, diabetes, heart disease, auto-immune defficiencies such as lupus, psoriasis, muscular dystrophy, multiple scelerosis, asthma, aids, and so on so they have protocols monitoring the story on this thread and others and I am sure you know the one about blood clots, or miscarriages.


So you are right. I just meant to add to the discussion. We are for sure on the same page. Thanks for the clarification.

Another factor to consider, but outside the norm - is the possibility of any engineering going on here or from use of the gain of function tech. But I think that would determine WHAT is spreading and how it got started. It shouldn't have much to do with a particular vaccine, but just knowing that possibility adds more to the confusion and then hesitation. Then a lot of lies were introduced, so a lot aren't fully sure of what they are being told.

I have both of my shots from pfizer, so hopefully I'm good to go and also won't develop any symptoms from it. So my issues and concerns didn't prevent me from getting the vaccine. I have plans that unfortunately will require vaccination. But I also believe I'll be ok. But I do fully understand that hesitation from others and respect the fact if they should choose not to get the shots for now.