The IOC, Doping and a Transgender Athlete

[Gunny]

One tranny so far. That'll open the floodgate. Not sure who besides me follows the Olympics, but it has gotten as bad as US politics. The IOC could easy move right into Goodell's NFL and fit right in. Ball-less hypocrites, panderers and liars. They detract from the sports rather than make them better.

"Laurel" Hubbard is a fat slob of a male who couldn't even qualify in weightlifting as a male. He is the first tranny being allowed to compete against girls in the Olympics. So far. The damage he has done so far is he has broken all the records of the actual female weightlifter from NZ that qualified for the Olympics. She finally just quit. No Olympic appearance and no translating that into a living which is hard enough for weightlifters. Usually means a gym and selling a weightlifting program. Maybe she can come to the US and get one of those "career" McDonald's jobs available :rolleyes:

What does Hubbard say? "I am who I am". No you're not. You're pretending to be something you aren't to get over and ruining other's lives in the process. Supposedly being on hormone suppression for a year prior to the Games, and testing at a certain level is the qualifier. I apparently need to give a class to the IOC. He's already past puberty and attained his size and strength back when he was still a he. That isn't going away, I don't care what shenanigans the IOC allows to kiss the asses of the 25% of the population that thinks it's okay. As an aside, that's a lot of people to be that stupid.

Other side of the coin. More than a few of the best lifters in the World are banned, or their country is banned, due to "doping". Meaning their test levels are too high. China, Russia and Rumania come to mind. The guy that won the gold in London, Alexi Torokhtiy was stripped of his medal along with a few others.

I'm not advocating cheating. But how is males having too high a test count for the IOCs taste bannable but a man posing as a woman to unfairly gain an advantage because of testosterone not?

Now, weightlifting might not be your sport, but you can look for this to spread like wildfire. What happens when men start competing in women's gymnastics or swimming because they can't cut it with the men?

This is why we can't have nice things.

[jimnyc]

America is embarrassing themselves in the Olympic games. Forgot what it was all about and now injecting all of this BS lately. :rolleyes:

[Gunny]

America is embarrassing themselves in the Olympic games. Forgot what it was all about and now injecting all of this BS lately. :rolleyes:Here's something I don't get with that dirtbag you posted about. Gibbs?

You are competing to REPRESENT THE US in international athletic competition. HOW does one square representing the US with disrespecting the US in an international forum? She;d be gone. If I had to "import" a hammer thrower from Eastern Europe that was grateful as Hell I got her into the US I'd do it in a heartbeat and have this disrespectful idiot bumped down so she couldn't make it.

Not vindivtive. It would just be assisting her in reaping what she sows.

[SassyLady]

I quit watching when they allowed professional athletes to compete.

[Gunny]

I quit watching when they allowed professional athletes to compete.I certainly understand that. I watched the original "Dream Team" destroy any and everyone by a million points more for the novelty at the time, I guess. Haven't watched men's b-ball since.

Generally, I follow sports I played, especially at the time I was still playing them. Gymnastics would be an exception that I watch but never participated in above the playground level. The latter I believe would be felony child neglect these days :laugh:

It's REALLY getting crappy. I read today the IOC is threatening to ban weightlifting from the Olympics because of all the recent doping charges, and bribes to cover it among the "mafia" that runs the various weightlifting federations. This is the same august body allowing a man to compete as a woman :laugh:

I feel for the athletes, especially outside the US. Weightlifting is a hard ticket to begin with but for some, it's there "way out".

[Abbey Marie]

Remember when we used to disqualify Russian or East German women from swimming for chromosome tests or doping? Isn’t this much worse?

[Gunny]

Remember when we used to disqualify Russian or East German women from swimming for chromosome tests or doping? Isn’t this much worse?It's the same. The Eastern bloc/USSR lived on steroids.

Here's the thing: I won't say all, but the countries you would think of as the usual suspects haven't changed their stripes because they changed their names. I don't have the list, but several of the Eastern European teams are banned, and China, of course.

China of course, is trying to be the new USSR and cheat to win at any and everything they can. Weightlifting is still big business in the Eastern Euro nations, a holdover business from the old Soviet days. What makes this "worse", is apparently there has been cover-ups and bribes among federation officials. I'd say being threatened with "get your act together or we're dropping your sport" is "worse".

MY point is the hypocrisy of allowing a man to compete as a woman against women because his fat, sloppy ass can't hang with the men. What's the difference between taking steroids and having a biological gender advantage because of more testosterone? It translates in the end to same damned thing to me.

[Abbey Marie]

It's the same. The Eastern bloc/USSR lived on steroids.

Here's the thing: I won't say all, but the countries you would think of as the usual suspects haven't changed their stripes because they changed their names. I don't have the list, but several of the Eastern European teams are banned, and China, of course.

China of course, is trying to be the new USSR and cheat to win at any and everything they can. Weightlifting is still big business in the Eastern Euro nations, a holdover business from the old Soviet days. What makes this "worse", is apparently there has been cover-ups and bribes among federation officials. I'd say being threatened with "get your act together or we're dropping your sport" is "worse".

MY point is the hypocrisy of allowing a man to compete as a woman against women because his fat, sloppy ass can't hang with the men. What's the difference between taking steroids and having a biological gender advantage because of more testosterone? It translates in the end to same damned thing to me.

I say it’s worse now, because this gender crap is sanctioned by the Olympics. There will be no disqualifications for gender now, as there continues to be for doping, for example.

[Gunny]

I say it’s worse now, because this gender crap is sanctioned by the Olympics. There will be no disqualifications for gender now, as there continues to be for doping, for example.That's my point :)

[Abbey Marie]

That's my point :)

Ah well, you said it was the same in your post. Perhaps I misunderstood.

[Gunny]

Ah well, you said it was the same in your post. Perhaps I misunderstood.I didn't catch this first time around Abbey. As far as I'm concerned, catering to transgenders in any way, shape and/or form is "worse". The IOC is sanctioning something unnatural and immoral.

IMO, it's part of a concerted effort on more than one front by a certain segment of society to destroy us from within, and so far, it's working because we're allowing it to happen.

Add this fat slob, 43 years old man being allowed to compete as a woman. He was not competitive as a male weightlifter, and WAY past his prime to be competitive as weightlifter in either gender. He's screwing over for-real women and if it isn't stopped, he won't be the last.

So, the short answer to your question is yes, this abomination is worse. Much worse.

[SassyLady]

They should have their own Olympics like the Paralympics.

What if a whole team of male basketball players decided to identify as female? Geesh ... what's next.

This is a very slippery slope.

[Gunny]

They should have their own Olympics like the Paralympics.

What if a whole team of male basketball players decided to identify as female? Geesh ... what's next.

This is a very slippery slope.

I would be all for that. their own "Special Olympics" where men can compete as women and women can compete as men (as if the latter are going to sign up for THAT). They can argue among themselves for eternity "who is what" for all I care.

[Mika-El]

They should have their own Olympics like the Paralympics.

What if a whole team of male basketball players decided to identify as female? Geesh ... what's next.

This is a very slippery slope.

I do not call transexuals immoral. I respect anyone until they show me otherwise but Sassy is how I would argue to deal with it to be fair. I agree with you all but my beef ain't against transexuals its against unfair competition.

[Gunny]

I do not call transexuals immoral. I respect anyone until they show me otherwise but Sassy is how I would argue to deal with it to be fair. I agree with you all but my beef ain't against transexuals its against unfair competition.Guess I'm busted for introducing one (morality) with the other (competition). Morality is at the personal level and I am quite good at keeping it to myself unless expressing myself on a screen where written word is the means of communication.

It IS about the fair competition, but one cannot completely divorce one's principles/morals from the game(s). IMO, that's what is happening and wrong now. I personally would rather lose than cheat to win. Been that way as long as I can remember. Same question always comes up: if you cheat, are you truly the winner? The answer for me is no.

[SassyLady]

I do not call transexuals immoral. I respect anyone until they show me otherwise but Sassy is how I would argue to deal with it to be fair. I agree with you all but my beef ain't against transexuals its against unfair competition.

I did not say anything about morality.

Where did you get the idea I was against transsexuals? I just don't think males should compete against females.

[Gunny]

I did not say anything about morality.

Where did you get the idea I was against transsexuals? I just don't think males should compete against females.FTR, I'm pretty sure his response about morality was in response to me. I certainly wasn't shy about throwing my personal opinion into the mix :)

[Gunny]

Speaking of "doping" ... anyone still following the Sh'Carri Richardson thing? It's come down to the World Anti-Doping Agency and the US Anti-Doping Agency pointing fingers at one another. The USADA states it had no choice and gave the minimal penalty. The WADA states the US has a seat at the World table and has consistently voted to keep weed on the banned, performance enhancing drug list.

Blacks surveyed (I did not survey a skin color -- the media did) are up in arms, some trying to get a boycott going. Paraphrasing a general consensus, they watch only the track and field and basketball, with a mixed result for or against boycott.

AOC even got her dumbass self involved, appealing directly to the World organization, completely bypassing the USADA. An alleged "Congressperson" that doesn't understand chain of command. Awesome:rolleyes:

So I'm wondering, what are black fans going to do when Brenda Brown who used to be Bob Brown last year lines up on the starting block for the 100 meter sprint? Or men "identifying as women" take over the basketball team? The reason I bring this up is I stated early on, most people don't give a crap about Weightlifting so the topic gets a big "meh" for the moment.

I have a hunch that's going to change when it starts hitting more mainstream accepted sports.

[SassyLady]

@Gunny (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=30)

WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND—100% totally female weightlifter Laurel Hubbard was forced to bid farewell to her Olympic dreams yesterday after a tragic accident left her with a severely lacerated testicle. Hubbard would have been the first transgender woman to compete in the Olympics.

The injury is not life-threatening, but doctors have advised Hubbard that she needs to refrain from heavy lifting for at least six to eight weeks as her injury heals. Obviously, that means Olympic weightlifting is off the table.

Hubbard was something of a controversial figure at this year’s games given that she was born a biological male and competed as a male weightlifter until 2013. Many critics argued that this gave her an unfair advantage compared to female weightlifters, but Hubbard says that’s ridiculous.

“Sure, there are some biological differences like bone density and muscle strength between the sexes,” Hubbard said. “But none of those gives me an unfair advantage in weightlifting, which is really more about finesse and technique!”

Hubbard said while she's disappointed she won’t be able to live out her Olympic dreams this year, that’s just the way it goes. “Sometimes your testicles get in the way,” Hubbard said. “That’s just something we gals have to deal with.”

https://babylonbee.com/news/female-weightlifter-suffers-tragic-testicle-injury-just-weeks-before-tokyo-olympics

[Gunny]

@Gunny (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=30)

WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND—100% totally female weightlifter Laurel Hubbard was forced to bid farewell to her Olympic dreams yesterday after a tragic accident left her with a severely lacerated testicle. Hubbard would have been the first transgender woman to compete in the Olympics.

The injury is not life-threatening, but doctors have advised Hubbard that she needs to refrain from heavy lifting for at least six to eight weeks as her injury heals. Obviously, that means Olympic weightlifting is off the table.

Hubbard was something of a controversial figure at this year’s games given that she was born a biological male and competed as a male weightlifter until 2013. Many critics argued that this gave her an unfair advantage compared to female weightlifters, but Hubbard says that’s ridiculous.

“Sure, there are some biological differences like bone density and muscle strength between the sexes,” Hubbard said. “But none of those gives me an unfair advantage in weightlifting, which is really more about finesse and technique!”

Hubbard said while she's disappointed she won’t be able to live out her Olympic dreams this year, that’s just the way it goes. “Sometimes your testicles get in the way,” Hubbard said. “That’s just something we gals have to deal with.”

https://babylonbee.com/news/female-weightlifter-suffers-tragic-testicle-injury-just-weeks-before-tokyo-olympicsKarma. Poetic justice?

A "she" with testicles :rolleyes:

[SassyLady]

Karma. Poetic justice?

A "she" with testicles :rolleyes:

The article was Babylon Bee .. satire. Wish it were karma.

[Mika-El]

I did not say anything about morality.

Where did you get the idea I was against transsexuals? I just don't think males should compete against females.

No Sassy that was not for you it was a comment in general. I should have been clearer. I agree with you.

[Mika-El]

FTR, I'm pretty sure his response about morality was in response to me. I certainly wasn't shy about throwing my personal opinion into the mix :)
Yah it was but also just in general. I agree with Sassy and you I just I don't comment on the morality stuff. Thanks. I am tempted to say though that weight lifter is a cheater. Its bs and heshe has an unfair advantage and its not fair.

[Mika-El]

Good are all cleared up and I appreciate Gunny did not remind me how immoral I am. On a more serious note all across Canada and the US competitive sports including track, volleyball, etc., will have to come to grips with this issue.

I like many believe the Olympics is a corrupt joke akin to the UN. However its a shame because of course I admire all the honest athletes. The Olympics has been compromised by drugs, commercial interests and their advertising, politics, you name it.

I did go to some events when the Olympics were in Montreal when I was a kid....the field hockey finals, the soccer finals, and a boxing match with Sugar Ray Leonard I think. I am pretty sure it was him.

I just remember the best boxers were the Cubans and Americans and India was very upset not making it in the field hockey finals and I am pretty sure it was the Aussies and Kiwis. I am pretty sure I remember them teasing each other in the stands about who could drink more beer. I forget who was in the soccer finals.

When I was a kid I always remembered ABC Wide World of Sports showing the Olympics but it got ruined. The head of the doping commission was a lawyer from Montreal where I was from and he was powerless against the corrupt Olympic regime.

I do remember the Yanks winning against the Soviet commies and then going on to beat Finland in the winter Olympics and wishing it was Canada beating those pinko butts. We hated the Ruskies so cheered the Yanks. That was our only time doing that. hockey is to Canada what basketball is to the US. Who we kidding its all pros now pretending to be amateurs. I mean the Yank teams are so much better in basketball although this summer who knows. Its an illuminati thing all this Olympics. Read up on it. Illuminati shape shifter lizard dracos.

[jimnyc]

I do remember the Yanks winning against the Soviet commies and then going on to beat Finland in the winter Olympics and wishing it was Canada beating those pinko butts. We hated the Ruskies so cheered the Yanks. That was our only time doing that. hockey is to Canada what basketball is to the US. Who we kidding its all pros now pretending to be amateurs. I mean the Yank teams are so much better in basketball although this summer who knows. Its an illuminati thing all this Olympics. Read up on it. Illuminati shape shifter lizard dracos.

Like yesterday, and I was 12 years old when this happened, but already a sports fanatic.

Miracle on Ice - "Do you believe in miracles? Yes!" -- Most exciting last minute of sports that has no scoring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gfD134ED54

[Gunny]

The article was Babylon Bee .. satire. Wish it were karma.Well, reading too fast will get you bit in the ass:)

Never heard of Bee. What I DO know is I thought the article was hinky to begin with. Trying to be funny and not. I figured it was just me given the topic.

[Gunny]

Good are all cleared up and I appreciate Gunny did not remind me how immoral I am. On a more serious note all across Canada and the US competitive sports including track, volleyball, etc., will have to come to grips with this issue.

I like many believe the Olympics is a corrupt joke akin to the UN. However its a shame because of course I admire all the honest athletes. The Olympics has been compromised by drugs, commercial interests and their advertising, politics, you name it. I compared the IOC to the National Football League. The UN will do just as well. Same political flavor of the day butt kissers with different names.

I did go to some events when the Olympics were in Montreal when I was a kid....the field hockey finals, the soccer finals, and a boxing match with Sugar Ray Leonard I think. I am pretty sure it was him.

I just remember the best boxers were the Cubans and Americans and India was very upset not making it in the field hockey finals and I am pretty sure it was the Aussies and Kiwis. I am pretty sure I remember them teasing each other in the stands about who could drink more beer. I forget who was in the soccer finals.

When I was a kid I always remembered ABC Wide World of Sports showing the Olympics but it got ruined. The head of the doping commission was a lawyer from Montreal where I was from and he was powerless against the corrupt Olympic regime.

I do remember the Yanks winning against the Soviet commies and then going on to beat Finland in the winter Olympics and wishing it was Canada beating those pinko butts. We hated the Ruskies so cheered the Yanks. That was our only time doing that. hockey is to Canada what basketball is to the US. Who we kidding its all pros now pretending to be amateurs. I mean the Yank teams are so much better in basketball although this summer who knows. Its an illuminati thing all this Olympics. Read up on it. Illuminati shape shifter lizard dracos.I've caught most of them since Mark Spitz. I like the competition. Then you find out about all the political shenanigans and cheating, stupid rules and double standards, obvious judge bias (Korea). Kind of takes some of the shine off.

Like this Hubbard character. A man can compete as a woman. But don't be a woman that smokes that "performance enhancing" weed. Smoking weed is way worse than screwing over every woman weightlifter in the World in the 105+ category :rolleyes: By a fat slob that can't even qualify for the NZ team as a male.

It's looking a lot like the Tokyo Olympics is going to be a bust anyway. No crowd. More than a few of the best athletes aren't going. Mostly for doping or injury.

I thought the Olympics is NBC? ABC was Wide World of Sports, I know. And Monday Night Football for years. If you follow a single sport, or just a few, the access is better now than it ever was back when. Some digital channel will have what you want. Before, you got to see what the network chose for you.

[Gunny]

The IOC dropped wrestling from the Olympics and one of the sports it added is surfing?

[Gunny]

Upon further review of the Gunny data bank, I've missed most of the Olympics. I can point the finger straight at the Marine Corps :)

That being said, I think the toughest EVER performance I have ever seen was watching Kerri Strug stick that landing with one good foot. I thought she was going to give it the old college try and fail. Like everyone else except apparently Kerri Strug. That was hard f-ing corps.

[Mika-El]

Upon further review of the Gunny data bank, I've missed most of the Olympics. I can point the finger straight at the Marine Corps :)

That being said, I think the toughest EVER performance I have ever seen was watching Kerri Strug stick that landing with one good foot. I thought she was going to give it the old college try and fail. Like everyone else except apparently Kerri Strug. That was hard f-ing corps.

Mandella effect or not I sure remember that yah. Gotta lover her for that. I love those real athletes not the fake ones.

Now listen Simon Biles tosY is Wonder Woman. Good God she reinvented gymnastics. What power and grace at the same time and so modest in interviews you would think she is a Canadian! Million dollar smile and attitude. Lol I would adopt her.

[Gunny]

Mandella effect or not I sure remember that yah. Gotta lover her for that. I love those real athletes not the fake ones.

Now listen Simon Biles tosY is Wonder Woman. Good God she reinvented gymnastics. What power and grace at the same time and so modest in interviews you would think she is a Canadian! Million dollar smile and attitude. Lol I would adopt her.Simon Biles dropped out. Said she dropped for her mental health. That's all I saw so I won't speculate further until I know something.

Speaking of doping, how do you reckon they keep all those little girl gymnasts 12 years old well into their 20s?:halo9:

I don't really watch sports anymore. Especially professional sports. When I started out watching sports way back in the stone age, most pro's had day jobs. They played for the game, not the money. The money has ruined pro sports. so has the bureaucracy of the organizations, and now their politics. I'd rather watch Dick Butkus.

I catch the weightlifting on youtube channels which is why I am somewhat up to date with that sport. Assume much dry sarcasm when I say "before this week ..." weightlifting was pretty straight forward. You made weight at weigh-in or you didn't and you made your lifts or you didn't. Biggest issue with the sport is steroids and who is getting caught which doesn't necessarily translate into who is using. That's about money too.

[Gunny]

In 5 lifting events, China got 4 gold and 1 silver. Wonder how that happened?

[Mika-El]

In 5 lifting events, China got 4 gold and 1 silver. Wonder how that happened?

They eat bats. Full of protein.
:420:

[icansayit]

Otherwise. The Olympics as WE ALL KNEW THEM...no longer exists.

Just ask Pelosi....https://assets.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images/podcasts/images/7/7a51c699-ea4a-49e4-9b1c-472cc4d0e94d/episodes/2/2c02014a-d9d1-4716-9171-3faafd98c3cc/cover_medium.jpg?v=1

[Gunny]

So Hubbard goes out to compete with the girls and blows all three snatch attempts. If you don't complete at least 1, you're out.

He competed in the female over 87 kg category. He missed with 120 kg or 275 lbs each time.

The male competing as a male that won gold in the 81 kg class lifted 210 kg or 465 lbs.

As I posted previously, Hubbard wouldn't even be at the Olympics in his weight class as a male. Scam artist.

[Gunny]

Just to add: This is more MSM bullshit. This creepy loser fails miserably and the story is all about him STILL.

Emily Campbell, a Brit lifter from the wrong side of the tracks who basically got their on goodwill and handouts from her community took silver and is Britain's first female medalist in weightlifting.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/british-weightlifting-chiefs-hope-emily-022105685.html