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jimnyc
07-10-2021, 12:25 PM
I think a lot of this goes back to the 'tolerance' that we must all give, and we should all be accepting and understanding & let the other side have a voice.

And yet if anyone on the right dares to speak up, disagree with anything, explain themselves. The reality is to submit and accept and shut up. Anything & I mean anything different - and you are labeled as a racist or white supremacist or anything they can do to vilify you right off the bat. You are now enemy number one.

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What Happened To You?

“What happened to you?”

It’s a question I get a lot on Twitter. “When did you become so far right?” “Why have you become a white supremacist, transphobic, misogynistic eugenicist?” Or, of course: “See! I told you who he really was! Just take the hood off, Sully!” It’s trolling, mainly. And it’s a weapon for some in the elite to wield against others in the kind of emotional blackmail spiral that was first pioneered on elite college campuses. But it’s worth answering, a year after I was booted from New York Magazine for my unacceptable politics. Because it seems to me that the dynamic should really be the other way round.

The real question is: what happened to you?

The CRT debate is just the latest squall in a tempest brewing and building for five years or so. And, yes, some of the liberal critiques of a Fox News hyped campaign are well taken. Is this a wedge issue for the GOP? Of course it is. Are they using the term “critical race theory” as a cynical, marketing boogeyman? Of course they are. Are some dog whistles involved? A few. Are crude bans on public servants’ speech dangerous? Absolutely. Do many of the alarmists know who Derrick Bell was? Of course not.

But does that mean there isn’t a real issue here? Of course it doesn’t.

Take a big step back. Observe what has happened in our discourse since around 2015. Forget CRT for a moment and ask yourself: is nothing going on here but Republican propaganda and guile? Can you not see that the Republicans may be acting, but they are also reacting — reacting against something that is right in front of our noses?

What is it? It is, I’d argue, the sudden, rapid, stunning shift in the belief system of the American elites. It has sent the whole society into a profound cultural dislocation. It is, in essence, an ongoing moral panic against the specter of “white supremacy,” which is now bizarrely regarded as an accurate description of the largest, freest, most successful multiracial democracy in human history.

Rest - https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-you-e5f

icansayit
07-10-2021, 02:20 PM
Anyone who would ask me that. Probably is so ignorant...they aren't worth wasting any time trying to answer in the first place.

So. The only thing I can think of to say off the top of my head would be..."Mind your own Business". Or..."NONE of your business!".

Smile, say thank you, and walk away. Which will really piss them off. THAT'S WORTH IT!

Kathianne
07-10-2021, 02:30 PM
I find that some, like Sullivan, Greenwald I'm in agreement with, at least in part. Weird, I'd considered both to be left. I don't think I've changed much, though the 'right' has. I think the left though has become even moreso; the right has become moreso too, but not nearly as far as left has gone.

icansayit
07-10-2021, 04:02 PM
I find that some, like Sullivan, Greenwald I'm in agreement with, at least in part. Weird, I'd considered both to be left. I don't think I've changed much, though the 'right' has. I think the left though has become even moreso; the right has become moreso too, but not nearly as far as left has gone.


Because of my nearly Half of my Life in the military..FOR THE COUNTRY. I believe that I have earned, and even deserve the RIGHT...not to have to explain anything about myself to anyone...for any reason. Namely, how I feel about how our nation is being handed over to our known enemies...by American Enemies who could care less...in the final run...WHAT ANY OF US THINK or BELIEVE...unless we always AGREE with them.

Which is something I couldn't do, all of my years in uniform. I didn't have the Constitutional rights of freedom of speech, or liberty that I enjoy now. The military is, and was a Totalitarian Organization that controlled everyone...WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
That is no longer the case for me. So..as I said previously. "THEY SHOULD MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS!"

Gunny
07-11-2021, 08:56 AM
I think a lot of this goes back to the 'tolerance' that we must all give, and we should all be accepting and understanding & let the other side have a voice.

And yet if anyone on the right dares to speak up, disagree with anything, explain themselves. The reality is to submit and accept and shut up. Anything & I mean anything different - and you are labeled as a racist or white supremacist or anything they can do to vilify you right off the bat. You are now enemy number one.

---

What Happened To You?

“What happened to you?”

It’s a question I get a lot on Twitter. “When did you become so far right?” “Why have you become a white supremacist, transphobic, misogynistic eugenicist?” Or, of course: “See! I told you who he really was! Just take the hood off, Sully!” It’s trolling, mainly. And it’s a weapon for some in the elite to wield against others in the kind of emotional blackmail spiral that was first pioneered on elite college campuses. But it’s worth answering, a year after I was booted from New York Magazine for my unacceptable politics. Because it seems to me that the dynamic should really be the other way round.

The real question is: what happened to you?

The CRT debate is just the latest squall in a tempest brewing and building for five years or so. And, yes, some of the liberal critiques of a Fox News hyped campaign are well taken. Is this a wedge issue for the GOP? Of course it is. Are they using the term “critical race theory” as a cynical, marketing boogeyman? Of course they are. Are some dog whistles involved? A few. Are crude bans on public servants’ speech dangerous? Absolutely. Do many of the alarmists know who Derrick Bell was? Of course not.

But does that mean there isn’t a real issue here? Of course it doesn’t.

Take a big step back. Observe what has happened in our discourse since around 2015. Forget CRT for a moment and ask yourself: is nothing going on here but Republican propaganda and guile? Can you not see that the Republicans may be acting, but they are also reacting — reacting against something that is right in front of our noses?

What is it? It is, I’d argue, the sudden, rapid, stunning shift in the belief system of the American elites. It has sent the whole society into a profound cultural dislocation. It is, in essence, an ongoing moral panic against the specter of “white supremacy,” which is now bizarrely regarded as an accurate description of the largest, freest, most successful multiracial democracy in human history.

Rest - https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-you-e5fI could argue a few points here. Not the portion I bolded. I've been stating such to the proverbial brick wall for awhile.