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jimnyc
08-18-2021, 12:43 PM
They couldn't have anything to do with funding a wall and more security at our southern border, and now things there are at insanity level.

But they can afford to leave billions worth of equipment?

Is that typical to not only get up and cut ship like that, but to leave so much equipment and so much weapons behind?

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Taliban Captures Billions In U.S. Supplied Military Equipment

The Taliban has reportedly made off with billions of dollars in U.S. supplied military equipment and weapons. During a press briefing on Tuesday, Biden’s National Security Agency Adviser Jake Sullivan confirmed a “fair amount” of weaponry fell into the hands of the terrorists.

These U.S. military assets include ammo, firearms, helicopters and other combat aircraft surrendered or abandoned by the Afghan army. Top military officials said they were unable to provide any sort of plan to stop the seizure or get the assets back.

Reporter: “So there’s no U.S. actions being taken to prevent equipment from falling into the hands of the Taliban by destroying it or anything else?”

U.S. Army Major Gen. Hank Taylor: “I don’t have the answer to that question.”

Reporter: “You don’t have the answer.”

https://i.imgur.com/ftmgAZK.png

According to the AP, the U.S. invested more than $83 billion into developing and sustaining Afghanistan’s army and police forces.

https://www.oann.com/taliban-captures-billions-in-u-s-supplied-military-equipment/

Gunny
08-18-2021, 12:58 PM
They couldn't have anything to do with funding a wall and more security at our southern border, and now things there are at insanity level.

But they can afford to leave billions worth of equipment?

Is that typical to not only get up and cut ship like that, but to leave so much equipment and so much weapons behind?

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Taliban Captures Billions In U.S. Supplied Military Equipment

The Taliban has reportedly made off with billions of dollars in U.S. supplied military equipment and weapons. During a press briefing on Tuesday, Biden’s National Security Agency Adviser Jake Sullivan confirmed a “fair amount” of weaponry fell into the hands of the terrorists.

These U.S. military assets include ammo, firearms, helicopters and other combat aircraft surrendered or abandoned by the Afghan army. Top military officials said they were unable to provide any sort of plan to stop the seizure or get the assets back.

Reporter: “So there’s no U.S. actions being taken to prevent equipment from falling into the hands of the Taliban by destroying it or anything else?”

U.S. Army Major Gen. Hank Taylor: “I don’t have the answer to that question.”

Reporter: “You don’t have the answer.”

https://i.imgur.com/ftmgAZK.png

According to the AP, the U.S. invested more than $83 billion into developing and sustaining Afghanistan’s army and police forces.

https://www.oann.com/taliban-captures-billions-in-u-s-supplied-military-equipment/As I explained in another thread, supplies/materiel are considered expendable. Weapons are not. There's no win to this argument.

The US outfits the Afghans with weapons and materiel, service supplies and maintenance equipment -- the whole nine yards -- under the assumptions the government is going to use them to put up a fight. This is definitely a Vietnam "redoux". When the President runs and the troops scatter, leaving weapons and materiel in place that were supplied by us, the enemy is going to get them. I put that on the so-called "Government of Afghanistan" more than the US.

As far as US troops leaving their own weapons and supplies? Weapons go with the individuals/units. The way they bugged out initially, you drop everything that doesn't go "boom" and move. That's SOP.

fj1200
08-18-2021, 01:00 PM
They couldn't have anything to do with funding a wall and more security at our southern border, and now things there are at insanity level.

But they can afford to leave billions worth of equipment?

Is that typical to not only get up and cut ship like that, but to leave so much equipment and so much weapons behind?

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According to the AP, the U.S. invested more than $83 billion into developing and sustaining Afghanistan’s army and police forces.

https://www.oann.com/taliban-captures-billions-in-u-s-supplied-military-equipment/

I remeber we shredded a crap ton of stuff in Iraq rather than bring it back. It's not cost effective.

Gunny
08-18-2021, 01:14 PM
I remeber we shredded a crap ton of stuff in Iraq rather than bring it back. It's not cost effective.It's not just that. Speaking from the POV of "being there", except for our individual weapons, most of the rest of that stuff is "not ours", so to speak. For Marines (not sure about the Army but I believe it is the same), it is "staged" gear, on ships all over the World.

Fly in, dust it off and bring it up to speed and roll. A lot faster than trying to ship it each and every time, and as you said, a lot cheaper to leave it.

jimnyc
08-18-2021, 02:47 PM
That's a decent amount of Humvees to go around. A fair amount of ammo and airplanes probably not many haven't a clue how to fly.

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Thanks to Joe Biden the Taliban Now Controls 11 Former US Bases, Approxmately 174 Humvees, 10,000 High Explosive Rockets and 6 Light Attack Aircraft

Thanks to Joe Biden the Taliban is well prepared to control the populace in Afghanistan.

The Taliban now has humvees patrolling Kabul.

https://i.imgur.com/1ZB9dgt.png

Thanks Joe.

https://i.imgur.com/tYaZDYQ.png

ETVBharat reported: (https://www.etvbharat.com/english/national/bharat/thanks-to-us-taliban-has-an-air-force-now-11-military-bases/na20210816182849150)


New Delhi: Riding on a victory wave replete with a hasty US withdrawal and an abject capitulation by the Afghan army, to say that the Taliban has become stronger may be an obvious understatement. The insurgent organization may soon gleefully lay its hands on the vast array of military resources left behind.

Just to help the Afghan government provide security in Afghanistan, the US had pumped in about $89 billion as of June 30, 2021. With the Ashraf Ghani-led Afghan government’s sudden fall, it would be safe to assume that a substantial chunk of those investments has fallen into the Taliban hands. Just to give an idea, according to the US government official figures, in the three months from April to June 2021, the US handed over to the Afghan National Defense and Security forces (ANDSF) six A-29 light attack aircraft, 174 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (Humvees), about 10,000 2.75 inch high-explosive rockets, 61,000 40-mm high explosive rounds, 9,00,000 rounds of .50 calibre ammo, and 20,15,600 rounds of 7.62 mm bullets.

While a stock-taking exercise is yet to begin in the war-ravaged country because of the prevailing circumstances, it is very likely that the Taliban may have taken possession of most of those assets.

Air force assets

The Afghan Air Force (AAF) operates three types of helicopters which include the 45 UH-60 Blackhawks, 50 MD-530s, and 56 Mi-17 helicopters besides its A-29 Super Tucano fighters (23 in number), C-130 Hercules transport aircraft, C-208 utility aircraft, and AC-208 fixed-wing aircraft.In total, the AAF has an inventory of 211 air platforms of which 167 were operable as of June 30, 2021. However, a problem that may dog the Taliban in operating these platforms will be finding operators and aviators, mechanics and locating spares.

Military bases

The 11 bases and military complexes recently handed over to the ANDSF are New Antonik, Kandahar airfield, Camp Morehead, New Kabul Complex, Blockhouse, Camp Stevenson, Camp Dwyer, Camp Lincoln (Camp Marmal), Camp Arena, Bagram airfield and the Resolute Support headquarters (RSHQ) which was handed over to the Afghan government on June 6, 2021.

Rest - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/thanks-joe-biden-taliban-now-controls-11-former-us-bases-approxmately-174-humvees-10000-high-explosive-rockets-6-light-attack-aircraft/

Juicer66
08-18-2021, 03:33 PM
It's not just that. Speaking from the POV of "being there", except for our individual weapons, most of the rest of that stuff is "not ours", so to speak. For Marines (not sure about the Army but I believe it is the same), it is "staged" gear, on ships all over the World.

Fly in, dust it off and bring it up to speed and roll. A lot faster than trying to ship it each and every time, and as you said, a lot cheaper to leave it.


Exactly the selfish , uncaring and very tacky nonsense one gets from people uninterested in anything other than their imagined image .

Thank goodness this type of attitude is already almost something from the past .

It is now the age of Aquarius not Pisces .

We are moving forward and not trying to pretend that we are fifth rate versions of John Marion Wayne .

fj1200
08-19-2021, 06:44 AM
That's a decent amount of Humvees to go around. A fair amount of ammo and airplanes probably not many haven't a clue how to fly.

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And more importantly don't know how to fix or won't have the spare parts to keep them going for long. I think Iran might still be trying to fly some old F-14s??? around that they couldn't get spare parts for.

Gunny
08-19-2021, 11:21 AM
And more importantly don't know how to fix or won't have the spare parts to keep them going for long. I think Iran might still be trying to fly some old F-14s??? around that they couldn't get spare parts for.A decade or so off. Iran had F-4 Phantoms.

Any gear we give "allies" is minus avionics. They get the "S" model. Spare parts are probably part of the aforementioned materiel left behind. You can get spare parts for Hummers on the internet. Amazon will have no qualms supplying them.

They'll get someone to show them how to use the stuff.

By arming the Afghan's, we armed the Taliban.