More Covid Updates

[jimnyc]

Some more information to keep up to date a little.

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Before dying of COVID-19, mom of four pleads: 'I need my kids to get vaccinated'

Neonatal nurse practitioner Dottie Jones warned her cousin, Lydia Rodriguez, of the "brutal" death and complications that come from COVID-19. But Jones said her warnings didn't make a difference; her cousin was adamantly against vaccinations.

Weeks later, Rodriguez and her husband died after testing positive for COVID-19. The couple left behind four children.

"She spent her whole life against vaccines, and then before she was intubated, she asked doctors for the vaccine, but it was too late," Jones told USA TODAY.

Last month, Rodriguez, her husband and their kids attended a weeklong church camp. Each member of the family contracted COVID-19 afterward. While the kids remained asymptomatic, conditions for Rodriguez and her husband Lawrence Rodriguez worsened.

Jones said Rodriguez's last plea was that her family made sure her kids received the COVID-19 vaccine.

"She said, 'I need my kids to get vaccinated. Please make sure,'" Jones said. "It was too late to save her life, but she wanted them to be safe."

Lydia Rodriguez, 42, died Monday, two weeks after her husband also died following COVID-19 related complications. Lawrence Rodriguez was 49.

https://news.yahoo.com/dying-covid-19-mom-four-191245452.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall


Delta variant: 7 things to know about the highly contagious coronavirus strain

After declining sharply for months, coronavirus cases are climbing once again as a result of the Delta variant. Although they remain well below peak levels, the U.S. is now seeing about 30,000 new cases per day. The most recent seven-day average shows hospitalizations are also up by nearly 36 percent, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Since the COVID-19 vaccines are effective against the variant — especially when it comes to preventing serious illness — health experts say the recent uptick in cases and hospitalizations is primarily due to localized outbreaks in areas of the country with low vaccination rates. Currently, some of the most concerning hotspots are in Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana and Florida. In these areas, where infection levels have soared, some hospitals are struggling to keep pace as the Delta variant spreads. (https://news.yahoo.com/spike-in-hospitalizations-due-to-delta-variant-underscores-need-for-covid-19-vaccination-experts-say-214137586.html)

However, an uptick in cases has now been reported in all 50 states, including areas of the country with a comparatively higher percentage of the population vaccinated.

Rest - https://news.yahoo.com/delta-variant-six-things-to-know-about-the-highly-contagious-coronavirus-strain-175513902.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall


Treatment for COVID-19 is better than a year ago, but it still has a long way to go

Far fewer people are dying from COVID-19 today than in January, but more than 1,000 Americans die from the disease every day – alone at home or in hospitals, gasping for air, suffering heart attacks or slipping silently away.

Though treatment for the sickest patients has improved since the World Health Organization declared COVID-19 a pandemic a year ago, roughly 20% of patients sick enough to be hospitalized still end up in intensive care – a figure that hasn't changed in the past year, said Kevin Tracey, a neurosurgeon and president and CEO of the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research, the research arm of Northwell Health, New York’s largest health care provider.

And death rates remain concerningly high in ICUs, he said.

Doctors said the care they give is clearly better than it was a year ago, if only because the disease is better understood and hospitals aren't overflowing with desperately sick patients. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/03/09/hospitals-report-worst-covid-19-pandemics-third-wave-has-past/4627798001/)

"We've gotten much better at managing patients with COVID-19. Much better than back in March (2020)," said Dr. Daniel Griffin, an infectious disease specialist at ProHEALTH Care, which has 300 health care locations in New York.

https://news.yahoo.com/treatment-covid-19-better-ago-100021094.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

[fj1200]

The pro-vaccine argument is making itself.

[SassyLady]

The pro-vaccine argument is making itself.

Not true.

I still think people should be educated about their options. Vaccine and.not knowing the long term ramifications or using ivermectin and hydroxychlorocline at onset of illness. These meds give same "reduces symptoms" guarantee as vaccines. Once the education is out there and common knowledge the number of hospitalizations should be reduced. If people have these over the counter drugs at home and use them at first sign of symptoms their chances are way better and equal to the vaccine.

[Juicer66]

Not true.

I still think people should be educated about their options. Vaccine and.not knowing the long term ramifications or using ivermectin and hydroxychlorocline at onset of illness. These meds give same "reduces symptoms" guarantee as vaccines. Once the education is out there and common knowledge the number of hospitalizations should be reduced. If people have these over the counter drugs at home and use them at first sign of symptoms their chances are way better and equal to the vaccine.


Absolutely . But so many are now fully entrained and compliant . Here is just one headline yesterday :-
US Investigates Moderna Jab After Data Show 2.5x Higher Risk Of Heart Inflammation (https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/us-investigates-moderna-jab-after-data-show-25x-higher-risk-heart-inflammation)

And that does not even include D-Dimer blood testing which shows incredible numbers of mini blood clots ( invisible to the eye via normal microscope) in inoculated guinea

pigs . Nor does it include the separate shocking blood test results for inoculated persons where' stacking' suggests future cancer development .

But Hey ho , who cares about details ? !!!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Not true.

I still think people should be educated about their options. Vaccine and.not knowing the long term ramifications or using ivermectin and hydroxychlorocline at onset of illness. These meds give same "reduces symptoms" guarantee as vaccines. Once the education is out there and common knowledge the number of hospitalizations should be reduced. If people have these over the counter drugs at home and use them at first sign of symptoms their chances are way better and equal to the vaccine.

One huge problem is the cheerleaders for the take the stabbbbbbbbbbbbbb crowd.
They do not cry-- get the information, then make an informed decision..
They cry fear, fear, fear, danger , danger Wil Robinson-- you must take our experimental stab...
And what is worse they vilify all that make informed decision and decide not to join in the experiment.
Even worse than that most of them act with extreme hate and malice towards any that does not do as they have done.
Thus, they operate in a herd mentality to the extreme. And seek ways to punish --ALL- that do not fall in line---
now what does that remind one of???
I think we know exactly- what kind of thinking/acting that is...
As history shows very well how many hundreds of millions that kind of blind following has destroyed....
I say, let each make whatever decision best suits that individual and that person's family....
Some-the Borg-- say Hell no- resistance is futile- you must submit !.....
Such blind with fear or else blind with propaganda and socialism of the dem party are already on a crusade to find ever more ways to--punish-- any that do not blindly submit...
Those operating in that hateful and blinded way, are truly enemies of freedom, enemies of this nation and acting out of ignorance, imho...

Your information about medicines that work is ignored by those that are blind and/or are working a political agenda using the pandemic as a useful tool and doing so without any true care/concern for their fellow man.
Thus a great many of those people are now acting the same way the damn Nazis did, imho..
Those that do not truly know history are doomed to repeat it-- complete with its most grievous mistakes, epic tragedies et al.-Tyr

[fj1200]

Not true.

I still think people should be educated about their options. Vaccine and.not knowing the long term ramifications or using ivermectin and hydroxychlorocline at onset of illness. These meds give same "reduces symptoms" guarantee as vaccines. Once the education is out there and common knowledge the number of hospitalizations should be reduced. If people have these over the counter drugs at home and use them at first sign of symptoms their chances are way better and equal to the vaccine.

Whistling past the graveyard. Literally. I'm not sure what is hard to understand about the vast majority of hospitalizations being the unvaccinated with the alternate treatment being wait for the "onset of illness."

[fj1200]

One huge problem...

The one huge problem when you create your own reality is that you really start to lose touch with the real world. But yeah, Nazis. :rolleyes:

[SassyLady]

Whistling past the graveyard. Literally.

Hey @fj1200 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=728) ... why do you never post a thread?

I am not afraid of Covid. I'm prepared for if, or when, I get it. Nothing wrong with that.

[fj1200]

Hey @fj1200 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=728) ... why do you never post a thread?

I believe we have to many threads around here.

[SassyLady]

I believe we have to many threads around here.

Whistling past the graveyard is more like it.

You must find it easier to try and deconstruct others opinions rather than present your own ideas. Even your favorite song? Favorite movie? Anything other than arguing after someone else has the guts to start a thread?

[fj1200]

Whistling past the graveyard is more like it.

You must find it easier to try and deconstruct others opinions rather than present your own ideas. Even your favorite song? Favorite movie? Anything other than arguing after someone else has the guts to start a thread?

Whatevs...

I present plenty of my own ideas. I don't see the point of posting news stories from which to jump off. And I'm not sure it takes guts to start a thread. I think it takes guts to defend your posit.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Hey @fj1200 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=728) ... why do you never post a thread?

I am not afraid of Covid. I'm prepared for if, or when, I get it. Nothing wrong with that.

Lack of true concern for humanity- you know, those with a God complex do not lower themselves to pity we mere peasants, we
that are no more than ants to be stomped on , ignored or constantly reminded what slovenly creatures we are...
Else maybe its because of a lack of insight, creativity, imagination, intellectual acuity or some very strange aversion to giving unto others.
Else my favorite one-- fj is just too dam busy proving how magnificently and brilliantly he can destroy those he hates by his infinite wisdom, massive level of oneness.
Being the one god- is indeed a herculean act that requires time management and that level of aloofness that steers the mighty into a more direct level of showing how only he knows every damn thing... and how we lesser beings we mere peons know less than nothing...

Just a guess but surely it hits many of the marks, methinks.

Behold, The Eternal Light That I So Graciously Shine

I am a god, I do not waste time birthing threads
I am beyond such lesser, mundane things
I am of power, that speaks to amaze, to turn lesser heads
I am the beauty of which the songbirds sing.......

A fragment, well because the feeble subject matter deserves no more...- :laugh: --Tyr

[SassyLady]

Ivermectin use in India. Here are several links to info you won't find here in America on typical news platforms.

https://covid.us.org/2021/06/27/ivermectin-use-in-india/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Whistling past the graveyard is more like it.

You must find it easier to try and deconstruct others opinions rather than present your own ideas. Even your favorite song? Favorite movie? Anything other than arguing after someone else has the guts to start a thread?

Amazing. As I had not yet read your post when composing my own.
But they seem to agree quite profoundly..-- :beer: :beer: -Tyr

[fj1200]

Just a guess but surely it hits many of the marks, methinks.

You continue to be immensely wrong. Delusions continue to plague you.

[LongTermGuy]

....Who will survive the plandemic?

...The vaxxed Or The natural immunity UnVaxxed......

[JakeStarkey]

....Who will survive the plandemic?

...The vaxxed Or The natural immunity UnVaxxed......

both will survive overwhelmingly

[Juicer66]

Oxford University study finds fully vaccinated Healthcare workers carry 251 times viral load compared to the unvaccinated proving the Covid-19 jabs make you worse


A groundbreaking preprint paper (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733) by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, includes alarming findings devastating to the COVID vaccine rollout.
The study (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733) found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.


While moderating the symptoms of infection, the jab allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into presymptomatic superspreaders.
This phenomenon may be the source of the shocking post-vaccination surges in heavily vaccinated populations globally.
The paper’s authors, Chau et al, demonstrated widespread vaccine failure and transmission under tightly controlled circumstances in a hospital lockdown in Ho Chi Minh City, Viet Nam.

Will they never listen ?

[fj1200]

:confused: Why don't you link to the actual stories?


Oxford University study finds fully vaccinated Healthcare workers carry 251 times viral load compared to the unvaccinated proving the Covid-19 jabs make you worse

A groundbreaking preprint paper (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733) by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, includes alarming findings devastating to the COVID vaccine rollout.
The study (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733) found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.

While moderating the symptoms of infection, the jab allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into presymptomatic superspreaders.
This phenomenon may be the source of the shocking post-vaccination surges in heavily vaccinated populations globally.
The paper’s authors, Chau et al, demonstrated widespread vaccine failure and transmission under tightly controlled circumstances in a hospital lockdown in Ho Chi Minh City, Viet Nam.

Will they never listen ?

But that doesn't appear to be what the study actually says.


Findings: Between 11th–25th June 2021 (week 7–8 after dose 2), 69 healthcare workers were tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. 62 participated in the clinical study. 49 were (pre)symptomatic with one requiring oxygen supplementation. All recovered uneventfully. 23 complete-genome sequences were obtained. They all belonged to the Delta variant, and were phylogenetically distinct from the contemporary Delta variant sequences obtained from community transmission cases, suggestive of ongoing transmission between the workers. Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020. Time from diagnosis to PCR negative was 8–33 days (median: 21). Neutralizing antibody levels after vaccination and at diagnosis of the cases were lower than those in the matched uninfected controls. There was no correlation between vaccine-induced neutralizing antibody levels and viral loads or the development of symptoms.

Interpretation: Breakthrough Delta variant infections are associated with high viral loads, prolonged PCR positivity, and low levels of vaccine-induced neutralizing antibodies, explaining the transmission between the vaccinated people. Physical distancing measures remain critical to reduce SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant transmission.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733

The comparison isn't vaccinated vs unvaccinated it's the current delta strain vs the old strain more than a year ago when, of course, no one was vaccinated.

[Juicer66]

The comparison isn't vaccinated vs unvaccinated it's the current delta strain vs the old strain more than a year ago when, of course, no one was vaccinated.


Ha , Ha . Your contrarian mind set is now rubbishing Lancet .

Vaccinated people dropping like flies and showing fearful blood contamination but you are still arguing the toss .

World wide deaths must have gone past 100 000 already with no allowance for under -reporting .But I expect the Coincidence Theory explain that ? rofl .

[fj1200]

Ha , Ha . Your contrarian mind set is now rubbishing Lancet .

Vaccinated people dropping like flies and showing fearful blood contamination but you are still arguing the toss .

World wide deaths must have gone past 100 000 already with no allowance for under -reporting .But I expect the Coincidence Theory explain that ? rofl .


Uhhhh, no. Between the two of us I'm the only one that linked the entire abstract and interpretation. If you think I interpreted incorrectly you can point to the study itself and let me know.

Again, the study doesn't say what you, or whatever link you followed, proclaimed.

[Juicer66]

Uhhhh, no. Between the two of us I'm the only one that linked the entire abstract and interpretation. If you think I interpreted incorrectly you can point to the study itself and let me know.

Again, the study doesn't say what you, or whatever link you followed, proclaimed.


You have the link clearly referenced in the OP .

Did you bother reading it ?


The contentious conclusions in your mind are also clearly stated in the OP .

What have you spotted that this internationally approved research team plus Lancet missed ?

It looks as though in excess of 100 000 have died shortly after taking the killer jabs . What is your total estimate by end May 2022 , say .

Can you raise my 100 million minimum ?

Severe injuries ?

Let's start the bid at one billion .

[fj1200]

You have the link clearly referenced in the OP .

Did you bother reading it ?


The contentious conclusions in your mind are also clearly stated in the OP .

What have you spotted that this internationally approved research team plus Lancet missed ?

It looks as though in excess of 100 000 have died shortly after taking the killer jabs . What is your total estimate by end May 2022 , say .

Can you raise my 100 million minimum ?

Severe injuries ?

Let's start the bid at one billion .

Why are you talking about something else now? The Vietnam study didn't say what you thought and now you're going back to you're flawed position on what the Euro version of VAERS says.

Oh, I know. Almost literally nothing you say around here turns out to be true.