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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

08-30-2021, 04:31 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/us-judge-orders-hospital-to-treat-covid-patient-with-ivermectin/ar-AANUl6n?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

AFP
AFP
US judge orders hospital to treat Covid patient with ivermectin
AFP - Yesterday 1:11 PM

AUS woman has won a court order for a hospital in Ohio to treat her husband, who is on a ventilator with Covid-19, with the antiparasitic medicine ivermectin, as demand surges for the unproven coronavirus treatment.

The case is one of several nationwide where courts have sided with litigants seeking to use the drug, despite scant evidence of its effectiveness against Covid and a rise in calls to poison centers as a result of misuse, including ingesting livestock-strength formulations.

Judge Gregory Howard ordered West Chester Hospital, located outside Cincinnati, to treat Julie Smith's husband Jeffrey Smith with ivermectin, according to an order filed August 23.

Smith had received a prescription from physician Fred Wagshul, who is listed on the website for a group called "Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance" that advocates for use of ivermectin.

She is being represented by lawyer Ralph Lorigo, who has won similar cases in New York and Chicago.

Since the start of the Covid pandemic, there has been considerable interest in repurposing existing medications.

Ivermectin attracted much attention, particularly in Latin America, and early lab studies suggested it might have beneficial properties for fighting the coronavirus.

But, as is often the case, promise in lab settings has so far failed to translate to real world success, as judged by its lack of clear efficacy in trials.

The National Institutes of Health says there is not enough evidence "either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of Covid-19" until clear results become available from rigorous trials.

Ivermectin is approved by the Food and Drug Administration to treat people with certain conditions caused by parasitic worms, but the agency has warned people against using it for Covid.

A recent report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed that by mid-August, physicians were writing out more than 88,000 prescriptions of the drug per week -- well above the pre-pandemic baseline of 3,600.

Poison control centers have seen a three-fold increase in the number of calls for ivermectin overdoses.

One case involved an adult drinking an injectable ivermectin formulation intended for cattle and becoming hospitalized for nine days with confusion, drowsiness, hallucinations, rapid breathing and tremors.

Another person bought ivermectin of unknown strength from the internet, took it five times a day for five days, and presented to hospital disoriented and unable to answer questions or follow commands. The symptoms improved after they discontinued use.

The popularity of ivermectin against Covid has drawn comparisons to a hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial drug that was particularly favored by conservatives last year, despite no strong evidence of real world efficacy.

High-profile proponents include Fox News hosts Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity, as well as Republican Senator Ron Johnson.

Notice how they cited when people used it in ways that were certain to cause adverse results, but deliberately never mentioned examples where it gave fantastic results..
People not being deceitful and not being bias, not being stupid -- clearly understand-- that is lying by omission..-Tyr

JakeStarkey

08-30-2021, 05:00 PM

She has the right to request such treatment.

That it has not been proven to be beneficial is beside the point.

revelarts

08-30-2021, 09:28 PM

She has the right to request such treatment.
That it has not been proven to be beneficial is beside the point.

the thing is, it has been proven to be beneficial.

COVID-19 patient shows 'improvement' after receiving ivermectin following legal battle with hospital
Published May 4
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/covid-19-patient-shows-improvement-after-receiving-ivermectin-following-legal-battle-with-hospital
FOX 32 Chicago (http://www.fox32chicago.com)

ELMHURST - After a short but tense legal battle, Edward-Elmhurst Hospital has agreed to allow an outside doctor to administer ivermectin to one of its COVID-19 patients.
"She looks calm, relaxed, she looks comfortable, so this is all I can tell right now," said Desi Fype, who has been fighting for her mother, 68-year-old Nurije Fype, to receive ivermectin -- an anti-parasitic drug which has not been FDA-approved to treat COVID.
Since Nurije was placed on a ventilator April 28th, and with her condition not improving, Desi has been fighting for Edward-Elmhurst Hospital to allow the drug to be used.
"At the point of me having nothing else to lose, and seeing that no other treatment in the hospital was making her any better, I wanted to try something different. Why not try to save her life instead of seeing her decline?" Desi said.
While ivermectin isn't FDA-approved, some doctors say it's proved to be effective against COVID. Despite a judge's orders, the hospital had been refusing to administer the drug until Monday night, when it agreed to let an outside doctor give Nurije her first dose.
"I was really really excited and hopeful to have this drug administered to my mom as well, because from the day that she was admitted to the hospital, her condition kept only declining," Desi said.
"Today, after her first dose, the ventilator has been reduced from 75 percent to 65 percent," said Fype family attorney Ralph Lorigo.
"That's an improvement. Now she will get a dose of ivermectin every day until recovery."
Edward-Elmhurst Hospital has declined to comment on Nurije's treatment, citing privacy regulations.

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From the Daughters Twitter Account:
https://twitter.com/desifype

·Jun 14 (https://twitter.com/desifype/status/1404569489358872582)
MOM IS OFFICIALLY OFF THE VENT!!! https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f64f-1f3fc.svghttps://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f607.svg I wanted to share the best news I got today with all of you that have supported us, prayed for us! GOD is good! FOREVER GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL TO WHOEVER HELPED US SEE THIS DAY! https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f64f-1f3fc.svghttps://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f607.svghttps://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/2665.svghttps://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f64f-1f3fc.svg
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Jul 2 (https://twitter.com/desifype/status/1411114705092030465)
"Mom is home from Monday evening https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f64f-1f3fc.svgShe is on some O2 still, but very happy to be home with all of us!
Thank you to everyone asking & checking on us!https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f64f-1f3fc.svghttps://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/2665.svg
It’s challenging to adjust at home, so I have been focused primarily on mom & her physical therapy as she needs a lot of it!"

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It's criminal that they are not allowing the use of this drug.

revelarts

08-30-2021, 09:41 PM

She has the right to request such treatment.
That it has not been proven to be beneficial is beside the point.

The thing is, it has been proven to be beneficial.

Peer reviewed meta analysis in the American Journal of Therapeutics
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines
https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx

Bottom line finding,
Probably reduces deaths by 62%
and
possible reduces transmission by 86%

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https://youtu.be/vYF8bnmdQfY

https://youtu.be/3j7am9kjMrk

Dr Peirre Kory Speaking to congress Dec 2020 ---
https://www.c-span.org/video/?507035-1/medical-response-covid-19

More Evidence Here
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?73822-Tokyo-Medical-Association-press-conference-recommends-Ivermectin-for-Covid&p=987323#post987323

revelarts

08-30-2021, 10:15 PM

She has the right to request such treatment.

That it has not been proven to be beneficial is beside the point.

The thing is, it has been proven to be beneficial.

After experimental Covid-19 treatment, 80-year-old woman thankful to be home

Feb 22, 2021
Updated Apr 9, 2021
Buffalo News NY
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/after-experimental-covid-19-treatment-80-year-old-woman-thankful-to-be-home/article_df8ae9da-72e4-11eb-b544-2f9de5ae5d71.html

As Judith Smentkiewicz fought for her life in a local hospital last month, she had no idea that her struggle with Covid-19 was the subject of a heated court battle and stories in the news media. Until a few days ago, the 80-year-old woman was unaware that her family’s lawyers had obtained a court order enabling her to receive doses of Ivermectin, a drug that has not yet been approved by the federal government as a Covid-19 treatment.
Now that she’s back at her Cheektowaga home and well on the road to recovery,Smentkiewicz is amazed at everything that happened to her.
“I had no idea that any of this was going on,” Smentkiewicz told The Buffalo News in an interview. “My son and daughter didn’t tell me the whole story until I got home."They just wanted me to take care of myself and get better.”

Smentkiewicz said she has “absolutely no memory” of a five-day period when she was on a ventilator at Millard Fillmore Suburban Hospital. According to family members, doctors there told them that her chances of survival were about 20%. “I remember being taken to the hospital in an ambulance on Dec. 31, and being put on a stretcher in a hallway,” Smentkiewicz said. “I know they put me on the ventilator that day, but I don’t remember a single thing that happened until Jan. 4, when I was taken off the ventilator and able to sit up in my bed. I’m kind of glad I don’t remember those days.”

She now knows that her son, Michael, and daughter, Michelle Kulbacki, insisted that doctors give Smentkiewicz Ivermectin, a drug that has helped Covid-19 patients in other countries but has not yet been approved as a Covid-19 treatment in the U.S. She also realizes that, when doctors were reluctant to give her more than one dose of the drug, her son and daughter hired attorneys Ralph C. Lorigo and Jon F. Minear to get a court order that enabled her to get more doses. On Jan. 8, State Supreme Court Justice Henry J. Nowak ordered the hospital to resume treatment with Ivermectin. After that, Smentkiewicz made a strong recovery. She was able to leave the hospital in mid-January. She then spent a month in the Harris Hill Nursing Facility in Amherst, and on Tuesday, she returned home. “I am so appreciative of my family, the lawyers, the judge, the doctors, and all these people who were praying for me and fighting for me,” said Smentkiewicz, speaking to a reporter in a strong, clear voice. “I know I had a lot of prayer warriors on my side.” “While she was on the ventilator, we prayed for Mom. We prayed to God, and the answer that came back to us was Ivermectin,” Kulbacki said. “My brother was doing some research on his own and came up with the information about Ivermectin.
Nothing else was helping our mother. We read that Ivermectin was helping other people and had no dangerous side effects. We decided we had to try it.”
Kulbacki said her mother made “a complete turnaround” within days of her first doses of Ivermectin.
Smentkiewicz said she got “very good” care in the hospital and nursing home, and now feels she is “at about 85%” of where she was before she caught the virus.
“I’m eating, walking, exercising, getting myself dressed and making my own bed, getting back to normal life little by little,” she said. “I feel good, but I get out of breath if I try to do too much. I’m having a little trouble with balance and doing physical therapy twice a week.”...

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Unapproved by FDA, Ivermectin useful as Covid-19 treatment, local doctors say (https://buffalonews.com/news/local/unapproved-by-fda-ivermectin-useful-as-covid-19-treatment-local-doctors-say/article_8ee56f1a-625d-11eb-b771-b76fa82cbedb.html#tracking-source=in-article)
Some Western New York physicians are using Ivermectin as part of the arsenal of drugs to combat a virus that has killed more than 430,000 Americans.

Juicer66

08-31-2021, 05:52 AM

She has the right to request such treatment.That it has not been proven to be beneficial is beside the point.

Naughty , Jane

Opinions are fine . But deliberate lies are not .

And not even a ' half decent' lie . Just dribble .

Or Biden Spill ( BS ) , as we say .

JakeStarkey

08-31-2021, 06:15 AM

Naughty , Jane

Opinions are fine . But deliberate lies are not .

And not even a ' half decent' lie . Just dribble .

Or Biden Spill ( BS ) , as we say .
Yes, you should not lie, Juicer. You are hammered again.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

SassyLady

08-31-2021, 12:18 PM

revelarts
Thank you for cataloging all this info. I've read all these articles but couldn't find them when I went back. MSM, WH, CDC, so called covid experts, pharmaceutical industry are shutting down this info because it takes away the fear porn about covid. And, affects their bottom line.

JakeStarkey

08-31-2021, 12:38 PM

Naughty , Jane

Opinions are fine . But deliberate lies are not .

And not even a ' half decent' lie . Just dribble .

Or Biden Spill ( BS ) , as we say .
It's the truth, light weight. Your lies are so obvious.

SassyLady

08-31-2021, 12:41 PM

It's the truth, light weight. Your lies are so obvious.

Rev proved that you're lying about no proof.

JakeStarkey

08-31-2021, 02:33 PM

Rev proved that you're lying about no proof.
Rev proved nothing, and you are just yipping.

SassyLady

08-31-2021, 04:03 PM

Rev proved nothing, and you are just yipping.

Are you about to have your 12th birthday. Maybe you should find a board that's more geared to your idiotic rantings.

:rofl1:
:blabla::blabla::blabla:

revelarts

08-31-2021, 06:41 PM

Rev proved nothing, and you are just yipping.

You must not have read them Jake.
If you take the time to read and listen beyond ... well,... look, reading widely will give folks a larger view and better perspective right?
Looking at all the evidence available is better than not, correct?

I posted 2 articles that showed 2 women, one 65, the other 80. Both were on ventilators, which typically means they were going to die.
But they were given Ivermectin by court order and they both went home in about 30 days.

Are you telling me that if you or someone you cared about had covid and were going downhill fast that this information... and the other dr's reviews and use of it... wouldn't stand out to you as EVIDENCE that it works?
Or would you stand by the words of the FDA, NIH and WHO and your favorite TV news People and just BELIEVE they are telling the truth in spite of the evidence here.
And cling to the "official" and MSM assertions that the unapproved drug Ivermectin is useless and dangerous?

I hope not. I hope you're independent enough to look at evidence and decide for yourself based on the facts no matter what we're expected to "believe" in the conventional wisdom.

revelarts

08-31-2021, 06:54 PM

@revelarts (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=1760)
Thank you for cataloging all this info. I've read all these articles but couldn't find them when I went back. MSM, WH, CDC, so called covid experts, pharmaceutical industry are shutting down this info because it takes away the fear porn about covid. And, affects their bottom line.

I've been Saving a lot of this stuff to my harddrives. Articles as pdf, and downloading videos.
the censorship is real. and it's something I really hoped i'd never have to worry about, to this degree, in my lifetime in America.

You know i've always warned that we were heading in this direction, but to be living in America and wondering if i can find once publicly available life saving information because the gov't, and the major US media are actively and systematically hiding it, makes me sick to my stomach.

SassyLady

08-31-2021, 06:57 PM

I've been Saving a lot of this stuff to my harddrives. Articles as pdf, and downloading videos.
the censorship is real. and it's something I really hoped i'd never have to worry about, to this degree, in my lifetime in America.

You know i've always warned that we were heading in this direction, but to be living in America and wondering if i can find once publicly available life saving information because the gov't, and the major US media are actively and systematically hiding it, makes me sick to my stomach.
Agreed!

Juicer66

08-31-2021, 06:57 PM

Yes, you should not lie, Juicer. You are hammered again.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

What a silly little girl you really are .

Being a complete Stupid about possible cures for something like Covid is the mark of someone extremely immature and childish .

Try and put together more than a single sentence arguing for a view point, and learn to present support evidence and relevant testimony where appropriate .

But stop being a bore and irritant because that is all you are -- and I am not interested to hear how abused you may have been or still are . And if you have not been , it might be better if you are from now on .

revelarts

09-01-2021, 10:19 AM

Gunny

09-01-2021, 10:30 AM

I keep seeing this thread that won't die and just shake my head. I was on ivermectin for 2 months. My little trip to the hospital in 16 with the massive infection in one of my lungs (short version :)).

I'll take the vaccine. The ivermectin DID work. I'll give it that. It completely killed my immune system along with just about everything else inside my body. Between the time the ivermectin protection wears off and you get your immune system half-ass back up and running you're just a sitting duck. I had to hide when the kids caught colds.

I am aware actual experience is an inconvenient message to the narrative. I just threw it out as food for thought.

SassyLady

09-01-2021, 04:39 PM

revelarts

09-02-2021, 09:15 AM

revelarts

09-02-2021, 09:22 AM

Woman with history of asthma, gets covid , sick, weak, vomiting, 100+ temp.
Dr prescribes ivermectin, shes only able to gets 1 small dose of ivermectin and 8 hours later feels "100%" better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFd9EcUCZXY

revelarts

09-02-2021, 10:09 AM

39 Second clip.
Dr Tess Lawrie, Lead peer reviewed Meta Study on effectiveness of Ivermectin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSnCCGwVIHc

SassyLady

09-02-2021, 11:09 AM

Lou Gossett Jr.
Caught Covid went to emergency room sick. didn't like what he saw at the hospital, told them to send him home.
Once home someone mentioned to him Ivermectin, He took it and is recovering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsZal-fc8o4
So did Joe Rogan.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/media-melts-joe-rogan-says-recovered-covid-3-days-taking-ivermectin-z-pak-video/

revelarts

09-02-2021, 12:12 PM

Along with the motives of $$ by big Phrama and $$ and power by Gov't,
I think part of what's going on for a many folks and medical people is whats called the THE SEMMELWEIS REFLEX.

"The Semmelweis reflex or “Semmelweis effect” is a metaphor for the reflex-like tendency to reject new evidence or new knowledge because it contradicts established norms, beliefs or paradigms."

It's based on the life experience of Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis who was the 1st (in the west) to realize that washing hands before medical procedures protected patients from death and disease. He PROVED it observationally but other scientist and drs refused to believe him. Not because his science was bad or his religion but because It was NOT inline with the then accepted Scientific THEORY of disease.
The Scientific DOGMA of the day didn't allow for observational science to win the minds of those that should have embraced the facts as they appeared.

Quote:

Ignaz Philipp Semmelweis (July 1, 1818 – August 13, 1865),
also Ignác Semmelweis (born Semmelweis Ignác Fülöp), was a Hungarian physician called the “saviour of mothers” who discovered, by 1847, that the incidence of puerperal fever, also known as childbed fever could be drastically cut by use of hand washing standards in obstetrical clinics.

While employed as assistant to the professor of the maternity clinic at the Vienna General Hospital in Austria in 1847, Semmelweis introduced hand washing with chlorinated lime solutions for interns who had performed autopsies. This immediately reduced the incidence of fatal puerperal fever from about 10 percent (range 5–30 percent) to about 1–2 percent. At the time, diseases were attributed to many different and unrelated causes. Each case was considered unique, just like a human person is unique.

Semmelweis’ hypothesis, that there was only one cause, that all that mattered was cleanliness, was extreme at the time, and was largely ignored, rejected or ridiculed. He was dismissed from the hospital and harassed by the medical community in Vienna, which eventually forced him to move to Budapest.

Semmelweis was outraged by the indifference of the medical profession and began writing open and increasingly angry letters to prominent European obstetricians, at times denouncing them as irresponsible murderers. His contemporaries, including his wife, believed he was losing his mind and he was in 1865 committed to an asylum (mental institution). Semmelweis died there only 14 days later, possibly after being severely beaten by guards.

Semmelweis’ practice only earned widespread acceptance years after his death, when Louis Pasteur developed the germ theory of disease which offered a theoretical explanation for Semmelweis’ findings. Semmelweis is considered a pioneer of antiseptic procedures.

Many people died becasue they would not listen to or look at evidence clearly before them.

gabosaurus

09-02-2021, 05:06 PM

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT IVERMECTIN IS WIDELY EFFECTIVE IN TREATING COVID-19! -------------------> Hysterical rantings in right wing blogs aside, there is no medical or scientific proof. It might work in individual instances, but not as a whole. The only reason why conservatives are discussing it is because a crackpot senator named Ron Johnson started yelling about it. For the same reason he raved about hydroxychloroquine. Because he caught Trump's ear with it. --------------------->Ivermectin is used to treat intestinal roundworm infection in humans and to de-worm pets and livestock. . The manufacturer says it should not be used otherwise. Gullible Republicans are getting POISONED through misuse. ------------> https://upnorthnewswi.com/2021/08/31/17-wisconsinites-have-had-ivermectin-poisoning-doctors-urge-people-like-ron-johnson-to-stop-promoting-it/ ------------------------------> Seriously, I have no idea why conservatives are campaigning against proven vaccines, but are willing to use unproven drugs that their idiot leaders have endorsed. ----------------> https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9768999400

jimnyc

09-02-2021, 05:10 PM

revelarts

09-02-2021, 05:50 PM

39 Second clip.
Dr Tess Lawrie, Lead peer reviewed Meta Study on effectiveness of Ivermectin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSnCCGwVIHc
And Gabby says....

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT IVERMECTIN IS WIDELY EFFECTIVE IN TREATING COVID-19! -------------------> Hysterical rantings in right wing blogs aside, there is no medical or scientific proof. It might work in individual instances, but not as a whole. The only reason why conservatives are discussing it is because a crackpot senator named Ron Johnson started yelling about it. For the same reason he raved about hydroxychloroquine. Because he caught Trump's ear with it. --------------------->Ivermectin is used to treat intestinal roundworm infection in humans and to de-worm pets and livestock. . The manufacturer says it should not be used otherwise. Gullible Republicans are getting POISONED through misuse. ------------> https://upnorthnewswi.com/2021/08/31/17-wisconsinites-have-had-ivermectin-poisoning-doctors-urge-people-like-ron-johnson-to-stop-promoting-it/ ------------------------------> Seriously, I have no idea why conservatives are campaigning against proven vaccines, but are willing to use unproven drugs that their idiot leaders have endorsed. ----------------> https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9768999400
OK you Admit that "It might work in individual instances," YES YES IT DOES.but then you say "but not as a whole.". Ok HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT gabby? what's your proof?
I'm guessing you didn't listen to the 39seconds above for yourself?
And i guess you didn't see the post about the peer reviewed META studies.
That is, a Study the LOOKS at nearly ALL the studies available to see how a drug works across the board.

The thing is, it has been proven to be beneficial.

Peer reviewed meta analysis in the American Journal of Therapeutics
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection:
A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines
https://journals.lww.com/americanthe...ment_of.7.aspx (https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx)

Bottom line the findings are,
Probably reduces deaths by 62%
and
possible reduces transmission by 86%

I don't know why people on the left are in KNEE JERK Denials about the FACT of several real tested and effective treatments for Covid.
how is that you somehow SKIP the INFORMATION about scientific studies but somehow can find info about "Ron Johnson" and call him names and somehow mange to divine his motives... without proof or context.
You toss out 'misinformation' about what "the manufacturer" says. For the record, It's generic drug and there are MANY manufactures, many happily selling it for use against Covid.

Seriously, I have no idea why liberals are campaigning against proven treatments?
Do they want people to Die? Are the Married to Vaccine companies? What's so appealing or magical about these vaccines that they are the only things people are allowed to use or EVEN TALK ABOUT?

SassyLady

09-04-2021, 12:03 AM

More info about the efficacy of Ivermectin for treatment of Covid. Questioning why a proven drug is being suppressed.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/09/why_all_the_fuss_about_ivermectin.html

September 3, 2021
Why all the fuss about Ivermectin?
By Brian C. Joondeph

First hydroxychloroquine, now ivermectin, is the hated deadly drug de jour, castigated by the medical establishment and regulatory authorities. Both drugs have been around for a long time as FDA-approved prescription medications. Yet now we are told they are as deadly as arsenic.

Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.

revelarts

10-09-2021, 06:08 PM

Not sure if this will ever make to market but

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finnish_firm_earns_us_patent_for_covid_drug_contai ning_ivermectin_and_hydroxychloroquine/11946611

Finnish firm earns US patent for Covid drug containing ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine
The Turku company says its nasal spray delivers low, safe doses of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin and aprotinin.

A coronavirus drug developed by Therapeutica Borealis, a pharmaceutical firm in Turku, has been granted a patent by the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). The nasal spray contains hydroxychloroquine, among other ingredients.

Earlier in May, the company said it had received approval for a patent application, based on which it expected a final patent this month.

“The final patent is an important milestone for us on our way to the market. Our next goal is to find an established pharmaceutical industry company with an international business scale,” says Professor Kalervo Väänänen, one of the three inventors and founders of Therapeutica Borealis, in a press release on Monday. Väänänen is a cell biologist and former rector of the University of Turku....

...“Tackling the pandemic probably requires, in addition to a vaccine, a preventive or early-acting drug. This drug also helps especially in a situation where vaccine coverage threatens to remain too low for herd immunity,” said Väänänen.
WHO warned against ivermectin use except in clinical trials

The firm said that the drug's active ingredients – aprotinin, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin – are well-known and widely used drugs, but in this product are used in a new, targeted manner on the upper respiratory mucous membrane.

All the drug molecules covered by the patent are approved for the treatment of other diseases, but if used systemically, for instance as pills or infusions swallowed by patients, the amounts of drugs would be high and potentially harmful.

For topical use, as in a nasal spray, the concentrations of the active ingredients throughout the body remain very low but are sufficient locally to prevent the passage and replication of the virus, making the drug safer and more effective, says Therapeutica Borealis.

Aprotinin is a protease inhibitor while ivermectin is an antiparasitic and hydroxychloroquine has been used against malaria – and has been touted as a Covid-19 treatment by Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro and former US President Donald Trump among others....

(BTW: taking as ivermectin as a pill over long periods has been studied, it's not a problem scientifically...
politically and for big phrama it is a problem)

Black Diamond

10-09-2021, 06:10 PM

fj1200

10-09-2021, 06:13 PM

Next step: FDA approval.

Next next step: Get over the fetal tissue testing roadblock.

revelarts

10-10-2021, 12:19 PM

Next step: FDA approval.

Next next step: Get over the fetal tissue testing roadblock.
FDA has been approved for other uses 40 years ago.
And no fetal tissue used in production or testing with Ivermectin.

fj1200

10-10-2021, 01:50 PM

FDA has been approved for other uses 40 years ago.
And no fetal tissue used in production or testing with Ivermectin.

AFAIK the FDA would approve a drug for a particular use especially if included in a new patented cocktail.

And Ivermectin and Hydroq... has the same fetal testing background as the Modern/Pfizer vaccines as I linked to in the other thread on this subject.

SassyLady

10-10-2021, 02:41 PM

AFAIK the FDA would approve a drug for a particular use especially if included in a new patented cocktail.

And Ivermectin and Hydroq... has the same fetal testing background as the Modern/Pfizer vaccines as I linked to in the other thread on this subject.

:link: specifically addressing ivermectin. It's not a vaccine so I'm confused about your assertion.

Also, not all covid vaccine use aborted fetal tissue.

https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/

SassyLady

10-10-2021, 02:58 PM

Ethical treatments for covid

Math+ is an ethically uncompromised early onset treatment protocol, most effective if started as soon as symptoms emerge. iMASK+ is both a preventative and outpatient treatment, also ethically uncompromised, that uses Ivermectin along with Vitamin D3, Vitamin C, Quercetin, Zinc, Melatonin and Aspirin (for outpatient treatment). Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug that has been in use for over forty years, with billions of doses prescribed, and has been shown to enhance the immune system’s ability to resist viral infections and, in this specific application, inhibiting replication of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

https://cogforlife.org/2021/03/25/an-alternative-covid-19-treatment-to-consider/

fj1200

10-10-2021, 04:11 PM

:link: specifically addressing ivermectin. It's not a vaccine so I'm confused about your assertion.

Also, not all covid vaccine use aborted fetal tissue.

https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/

I linked in another thread. My assertion is if you have a religious objection to the vaccine based on fetal cells then you would have the same religious objection to Ivermectin and many other commonly used drugs.

SassyLady

10-10-2021, 05:12 PM

I linked in another thread. My assertion is if you have a religious objection to the vaccine based on fetal cells then you would have the same religious objection to Ivermectin and many other commonly used drugs.

Your assertion is incorrect unless you can show direct evidence that aborted fetal tissue is used in the development and production of ivermectin specifically. Especially since you made the direct implication that it is used in ivermectin.

I don't believe it is. The link I posted from COG, Children of God, feels it meets the ethical criteria of being uncompromised for religious proposes.

You also failed to recognize there are other vaccines for covid not using fetal cells.

SassyLady

10-10-2021, 07:15 PM

13661

revelarts

10-10-2021, 07:46 PM

SassyLady

10-10-2021, 08:34 PM

Sadly, in this case, I think FJ may be right.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2021/01/if-any-drug-tested-on-hek-293-is-immoral-goodbye-modern-medicine/

Isn't "tested on" different than "grown on"?

I guess either way aborted fetal cells are used. I concede that it is more common than I thought. And should cause more controversy than it has. If the general public knew this perhaps there would be even more hesitancy about use of drugs.

fj1200

10-10-2021, 09:40 PM

Your assertion is incorrect unless you can show direct evidence that aborted fetal tissue is used in the development and production of ivermectin specifically. Especially since you made the direct implication that it is used in ivermectin.

I don't believe it is. The link I posted from COG, Children of God, feels it meets the ethical criteria of being uncompromised for religious proposes.

You also failed to recognize there are other vaccines for covid not using fetal cells.

There's more than 1 way to get fetal tissues. Apparently 1 line comes from the Netherlands and is likely from a miscarriage in 1973; abortions were illegal there at the time. Another line apparently came from CA in the 80's so possibly more likely to be an abortion. Almost all drugs are tested against fetal tissues so we know it's safe for humans and Moderna/Pfizer fit this bill but the J&J is more closely linked to fetal cells; details in the other thread where I posted a video. Erick Erickson spelled it all out last week. I don't really think that there are valid religious concerns, on this front anyway, that are more onerous than if you're already using the multitude of other drugs that were developed in the same manner.

Isn't "tested on" different than "grown on"?

I guess either way aborted fetal cells are used. I concede that it is more common than I thought. And should cause more controversy than it has. If the general public knew this perhaps there would be even more hesitancy about use of drugs.

I can only guess that cells can be obtained in more ethical manner.

Juicer66

10-11-2021, 05:04 AM

Agreed!

See Bachman Turner Overdrive --- You ain't seen nothing yet .

revelarts

11-23-2021, 11:10 PM

A Judge Stands up to a Hospital: "Step Aside" and Give a Dying Man Ivermectin
A Chicago-area judge saved a grandfather's life with the single question that exposes hospitals blocking doctors from using a safe, FDA-approved drug: Why?

https://rescue.substack.com/p/a-judg...-hospital-step (https://rescue.substack.com/p/a-judge-stands-up-to-a-hospital-step)
Sun Ng, a retired contractor from Hong Kong, traveled to Illinois to celebrate his only granddaughter’s first birthday. He got covid and was near death in a Chicago-area hospital. All other options were exhausted, but the hospital refused to give Mr. Ng a generic, FDA-approved drug with an extraordinary safety record that a doctor believed could safe his life.

Finally, a judge asked the right question about ivermectin.
“What’s the downside?”

Put another way: If a man is dying of covid in an ICU and all else has been tried, why not order a hospital to give a safe, last-ditch drug?

Edward Hospital, located near Chicago, offered three arguments as to why Sun Ng, seventy-one, should not be given ivermectin:
•There could be side effects.
•Ordering ivermectin would violate its policies.
•Forcing the issue would be “extraordinary” judicial overreach.
On each argument, DuPage County Circuit Court Judge Paul Fullerton firmly disagreed.

“I can’t think of a more extraordinary situation than when we are talking about a man’s life,” he said in a November 5 decision that is a model of rational decision-making in an irrational era.
“I am not forcing this hospital to do anything other than to step aside,” he continued in a Zoom hearing. “I am just asking—or not asking—I am ordering through the Court’s power to allow Dr. Bain to have the emergency privileges and administer this medicine.”

The hospital ultimately stepped aside. Dr. Alan Bain, an internist, administered a five-day course of 24 milligrams of ivermectin, from November 8 through November 12.
Ng, who with his wife, Ying, had come from Hong Kong to celebrate their granddaughter’s birthday, was able to breathe without a ventilator within five days—he, in fact, removed the endotracheal himself. He left the ICU Tuesday, November 16, and, although confused and weak, was breathing Sunday without supplemental oxygen on a regular hospital floor.
“Every day after ivermectin, there was accelerated and stable improvement,” said Dr. Bain, who administered the drug in two previous court cases after hospitals refused. “Three times we’ve shown something,” he told me. “There’s a signal of benefit for ventilator patients.”
Ng’s remarkable progress stands in sharp relief to the repeated attempts by Edward-Elmhurst Health, the hospital’s managing system, to thwart the use of ivermectin. It succeeded in having the court’s initial November 1 order dismissed by claiming Ng was in better health than his lawsuit contended (he wasn’t). It then defied the November 5 order, saying Dr. Bain was not vaccinated (a negative test resolved the issue).

Moreover, after Ng’s treatment was complete, the hospital system filed notice that it would appeal the order that had already been carried out. It did this even though Sun Ng seemed to have benefited greatly.
The patient’s improvement, or condition generally, did not seem to matter.
At the outset, the hospital argued against court intervention, saying, “Mr. Ng is not terminal at this point.” But it was forced to admit that he had for days teetered on the brink of death after Ng’s daughter and only child, Man Kwan Ng, spoke to a hospital doctor November 3—and took copious notes that were submitted to the court.
The doctor told Dr. Ng, who holds a PhD in mechanical engineering, “He has been in the same state for many, many days…critically ill,” according to a court affidavit. A nurse, meantime, suggested that Dr. Ng “stop all this aggressive care and let [her father] die naturally.”
The hospital doctor estimated that “someone in his condition being on a ventilator like that has a 10 or 15 percent chance of survival,” the judge recounted in his decision.
That bleak prediction wasn’t an option for Ng’s wife of forty years or the daughter fighting on his behalf. “We love him dearly,” Dr. Ng said in court papers. “He is our world…I cannot give up on him, even if the Defendants have.”

The judge’s finest moment may have been when he dashed the most glaring myth about ivermectin—that it is not safe, despite decades of use that shows otherwise. Noting that all drugs have side effects, Judge Fullerton listed ivermectin’s effects from a government website.
“(N)umber one, generally well tolerated; number two, dizziness; number three, pruritus; number four, nausea/diarrhea. These are the side effects for the dosage that's being asked to be administered,” he said.
“The risks of these side effects are so minimal that Mr. Ng’s current situation outweighs that risk by one-hundredfold.”

Dr. Alan Bain, having been first duly sworn, deposes and says as follows:
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Dr. Alan Bain gave a supplemental affidavit testifying to his successful use of ivermectin to treat covid-19 in gravely ill patients. Judge Fullerton ordered the hospital to “step aside” and allow him to give the drug that saved Mr. Ng’s life.
If he hadn’t yet made his position clear, the judge then addressed the statement by a hospital doctor who, the judge said, “testified that the risk is that there is no benefit.”

On the contrary, the judge said, “The possible benefit this Court sees is helping save Mr. Ng’s life with this drug.”

Ralph Lorigo is a Buffalo, New York, attorney who represented Ng and has received inquiries on behalf of fifty more patients since September. He said the Ng case was by far the costliest so far with three decisions, four court appearances, and now an appeal that is certainly moot.
“That’s a terrible set of circumstances that people have to hire a lawyer to save a loved one’s life,” Lorigo told me. “That is a crime.”
Lorigo battled another hospital in the Edward-Elmhurst Health system last spring in a similarly drawn-out case to get ivermectin for Nurije Fype, sixty-eight. Her case inspired Dr. Ng to file suit—for good reason.
Desareda Fype, who was a fierce advocate on her mother’s behalf, texted me last week: “Mom is doing sooo good, thank God! It’s been 4.5 months. Mom is home from the hospital and getting stronger each day!”

In an interview Sunday, Dr. Ng said her father is not out of the woods yet. But ivermectin made a clear difference, she said. Before given the medication, every attempt to wean her father even briefly from the respirator failed. Within eight hours on the medication, he was able to undergo a one-hour breathing trial. “I am positive,” she told me when I asked if she credits ivermectin.
While Dr. Bain was well aware of ivemectin’s ability to fight the covid virus in early infection, even he was surprised to discover its late-stage effectiveness. “It quells the fire of the inflammatory storm and also helps to lower the progression of stiffened lungs—aka pulmonary fibrosis,” he said. “That’s the beauty of this drug. I’m not saying it’s a cure. It’s just amazing.”

Juicer66

11-24-2021, 04:34 AM

:link: specifically addressing ivermectin. It's not a vaccine so I'm confused about your assertion.

Also, not all covid vaccine use aborted fetal tissue.

https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/

But they use synthetic Spike Proteins and Graphene Oxide -- both toxic pathogens and therefore killers .And they work beautifully .

But hey ho , a few million fewer people (could only be couple of billion if the Stupids refuse boosters ) will solve the Carbon emissions problem, even though that is in itself

another load of spurious pseudo scientific garbage .

revelarts

02-01-2022, 06:43 AM

FYI

https://c19ivermectin.com/
https://c19ivermectin.com/mva/mvai.png

fj1200

02-01-2022, 08:40 PM

FYI

...

A recently published systematic review and network meta-analysis35 (https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678#ref-35) compared the efficacy and safety of pharmacological interventions for COVID-19 in hospitalised patients. It included 110 studies (78 published and 38 unpublished) with 40 randomised clinical trials and 70 observational studies. Based on observational data, they found that high-dose intravenous immunoglobulin, ivermectin and tocilizumab were associated with reduced mortality rate in critically ill patients. None of the analysed drugs was significantly associated with increased non-cardiac serious adverse events compared with standard care, but the overall certainty of the evidence was very low in all outcomes and reduced the ability for recommendation.
Different websites (such as https://ivmmeta.com/, https://c19ivermectin.com/, https://tratamientotemprano.org/estudios-ivermectina/, among others) have conducted meta-analyses with ivermectin studies, showing unpublished colourful forest plots which rapidly gained public acknowledgement and were disseminated via social media, without following any methodological or report guidelines. These websites do not include protocol registration with methods, search strategies, inclusion criteria, quality assessment of the included studies nor the certainty of the evidence of the pooled estimates. Prospective registration of systematic reviews with or without meta-analysis protocols is a key feature for providing transparency in the review process and ensuring protection against reporting biases, by revealing differences between the methods or outcomes reported in the published review and those planned in the registered protocol. These websites show pooled estimates suggesting significant benefits with ivermectin, which has resulted in confusion for clinicians, patients and even decision-makers. This is usually a problem when performing meta-analyses which are not based in rigorous systematic reviews, often leading to spread spurious or fallacious findings.36 (https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678#ref-36)
Concluding, research related to ivermectin in COVID-19 has serious methodological limitations resulting in very low certainty of the evidence, and continues to grow.37–39 (https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678#ref-37) The use of ivermectin, among others repurposed drugs for prophylaxis or treatment for COVID-19, should be done based on trustable evidence, without conflicts of interest, with proven safety and efficacy in patient-consented, ethically approved, randomised clinical trials.
https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678

revelarts

02-01-2022, 10:17 PM

https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678

:rolleyes:
transparency?
"providing transparency in the review process"?
"trustable evidence, without conflicts of interest,"?
"rigorous systematic reviews"?
when is Pfizer Etc releasing it's notes on it's vaccine trials again?
or are they still sending in lawyers to the courts and the FDA to block it all?

fj1200

02-03-2022, 02:33 PM

:rolleyes:
transparency?
"providing transparency in the review process"?
"trustable evidence, without conflicts of interest,"?
"rigorous systematic reviews"?
when is Pfizer Etc releasing it's notes on it's vaccine trials again?
or are they still sending in lawyers to the courts and the FDA to block it all?

Not sure. This seems to be the latest.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-judge-ordered-fda-to-release-covid-19-vaccine-data-pronto

If we're going to tout studies shouldn't they be good studies?