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Gunny
03-18-2022, 10:50 AM
I see this groveling as the same kind of crap as the Iran-Russia nuclear deal. Ping pong wants to do to Taiwan exactly what Putin is trying to do in Ukraine. I see Ping Pong agreeing only of he sees it strategically/ nationally/ economically prudent. He doesn't give a flip about doing the right thing.

I'm betting on escalation into a war. I know no one wants to hear that. Xi's choice WILL matter, regardless his motive. If for some reason Ki chose to support NATO/UN, Putin would have his worst nightmare on his unprotected flank.

And yep Kathianne, it would also erode US influence if Xi steps up and makes the difference.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/18/biden-administration-pressures-xi-jinping-00018478


Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman said Friday that Chinese President Xi Jinping faces a historic choice amid Russia’s invasion of Ukraine: Be a “true leader on the world stage” by siding with Ukraine, the U.S. and its allies or stand with the Kremlin as it wages an unprovoked war.
“We hope that he chooses the right side of history here,” Sherman told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Friday. “That he ends this carnage, these attacks on civilians.”


Xi and President Joe Biden met virtually on Friday, a conversation the White House said was arranged for the two presidents to “discuss managing the competition between our two countries as well as Russia’s war against Ukraine and other issues of mutual concern.” Sherman said Biden will use Friday’s discussion with Xi to gauge where the Chinese leader stands on Russia’s assault on Ukraine and that the president will urge Xi to use his influence with Putin to “end this horrible war.”
The Biden-Xi meeting comes as Russia continues to escalate its attacks on the sovereign nation, and is a potential watershed moment (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/18/biden-xi-jinping-disavow-russia-ukraine-invasion-00018427) for the countries’ relationship. The United Nations has already confirmed nearly 2,000 civilian casualties, though the numbers are likely higher.
“We are all very candid, very direct about .. what the responsibility is of Xi Jinping if he wants to be a true leader on the world stage. If he wants to sign up to the principles of the U.N. Charter, which he says he does,” Sherman said. “So we will see, whether in fact Xi Jinping makes the right choice here. His future is with the United States, with Europe, with developing countries around the world. His future is not with Russia and Vladimir Putin.”
Beijing has tried to walk a delicate line as Russian troops bombard Ukrainian cities and destroy civilian infrastructure. China has thus far avoided direct condemnation of its neighbor, maintaining its trade relationship with Moscow while expressing “concern” about the civilian deaths.


Tension with Beijing built over the weekend, when Washington revealed intelligence and told reporters that Russia had requested economic and military assistance from China for its war against Ukraine. A senior U.S. official said the Chinese government had “responded to that request,” though offered no details on what the response was. Both Beijing and Moscow denied that such a request was made.
“We have made clear our deep concerns about China’s alignment with Russia and the potential implications and consequences of that,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Thursday. “The President always takes the opportunity when he speaks with foreign leaders to be candid and direct.”

Gunny
03-18-2022, 10:52 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/18/biden-xi-jinping-disavow-russia-ukraine-invasion-00018427

Kathianne
03-18-2022, 11:08 AM
I just woke up. Heard the call lasted an hour 50 min. Let's hope Joe is better on phone than with teleprompter.

Gunny
03-18-2022, 11:10 AM
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?75842-Russia-hits-Biden-for-irritability-after-he-calls-Putin-a-murderous-dictator

Provided Biden doesn't step all over his own "package":rolleyes:

Gunny
03-18-2022, 05:34 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/598791-biden-warns-beijing-no-material-support-to-russia

The WH's version doesn't sound much like the Chinese version. Perhaps the WH isn't aware Chinese media used the actual call?

Kathianne
03-19-2022, 06:06 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/598791-biden-warns-beijing-no-material-support-to-russia

The WH's version doesn't sound much like the Chinese version. Perhaps the WH isn't aware Chinese media used the actual call?
China adds clarity:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/chinese-official-calls-sanctions-russia-increasingly-outrageous

Gunny
03-19-2022, 06:38 PM
China adds clarity:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/chinese-official-calls-sanctions-russia-increasingly-outrageousNot getting any clarity from China's passive-aggressive commentary.

BTW, can't find it nor remember who originated it (saw it on cell), but apparently toady Psaki was at it again, this time trying to push that Biden was in charge the whole time with Ping Pong :rolleyes:

We're bitching about Russian disinformation while the WH and MSM are spewing it at the rapid rate.

Kathianne
03-19-2022, 06:43 PM
Not getting any clarity from China's passive-aggressive commentary.

BTW, can't find it nor remember who originated it (saw it on cell), but apparently toady Psaki was at it again, this time trying to push that Biden was in charge the whole time with Ping Pong :rolleyes:

We're bitching about Russian disinformation while the WH and MSM are spewing it at the rapid rate.
Bottom line, after nearly 2 hour call, China stands with Putin. Pretty clear to me.

I have to wonder if sudden interest in Hunters laptop isn't to head off coming conflicts of POTUS. China may well realize it's time to act.

Gunny
03-19-2022, 07:05 PM
Bottom line, after nearly 2 hour call, China stands with Putin. Pretty clear to me.

I have to wonder if sudden interest in Hunters laptop isn't to head off coming conflicts of POTUS. China may well realize it's time to act.Not sure on that one yet, as they want it to be. Ping Pong tells Biden (and the World by broadcast) the war is in no one's interest. China's emissary tells Ukraine they will help them rebuild (aka add Ukraine to its Belt and Road dependency list).

Then they throw Putin a bone: they understand his reasoning. From a technical/literary standpoint, Putin DOES have a point. I get it. He's just going about punctuating it the wrong way. NATO and at the time with the currently absent US in the lead DID promise to not expand Eastward. The ukraine (borderland) IS the divide between East and West since the Great Schism. It has been/was Russia's buffer between itself and Europe.

I can go on (for hours probably:)), but for the purposes here, I can see where others could be in agreement with Putin, whether or not they support him.

Form my POV, this is not our war. Never has been. The US didn't exist the first time these two fought it out. What makes it our business is Puting threatening to use nukes the same as it is our business to see that Iran doesn't get them. When one has the power to blow up the planet, it's EVERYBODY's business, whether or not they want it to be.