Critics slam timing of Biden's 'ministry of truth' to police internet for 'disinforma

[Gunny]

This would be a sick joke if it wasn't so very real. The Ministry of Disinformation itself is forming a ministry of truth to police the net for disinformation :rolleyes: Yes, quite coincidental with Musk's purchase of Twitter. When all other efforts to silence the opposition fails? Get the Dems to outlaw it :rolleyes:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/critics-slam-timing-bidens-ministry-of-truth-police-internet-disinformation

[fj1200]

^Seems they could be in violation of the Hatch Act pretty quickly.


The Hatch Act generally applies to employeesworking in the executive branch of the federalgovernment. The purpose of the Act is to maintaina federal workforce that is free from partisanpolitical influence or coercion.
...

> May not post a comment to a blog or a social media site that advocates for or against a partisan political party, candidate for partisan political office, or partisan political group;
> May not use any e-mail account or social media to distribute, send, or forward content that advocates for or against a partisan political party, candidate for partisan political office, or partisan political group.

https://osc.gov/Documents/Outreach%20and%20Training/Handouts/A%20Guide%20to%20the%20Hatch%20Act%20for%20Federal %20Employees.pdf

There's almost no way that they can be in accordance with the law and perform any kind of function in that role.

[Kathianne]

^Seems they could be in violation of the Hatch Act pretty quickly.


https://osc.gov/Documents/Outreach%20and%20Training/Handouts/A%20Guide%20to%20the%20Hatch%20Act%20for%20Federal %20Employees.pdf

There's almost no way that they can be in accordance with the law and perform any kind of function in that role.
Exactly what I was thinking.

[Kathianne]

More:

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/04/28/biden-appoints-disinformation-czar-n465519

[Mr. P]

LETS Make 1984
FICTION
again !

[icansayit]

https://ik.imagekit.io/panmac/tr:di-placeholder_portrait_aMjPtD9YZ.jpg,tr:w-350,f-jpg,pr-true/edition/9781509890736.jpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

^Seems they could be in violation of the Hatch Act pretty quickly.


https://osc.gov/Documents/Outreach%20and%20Training/Handouts/A%20Guide%20to%20the%20Hatch%20Act%20for%20Federal %20Employees.pdf

There's almost no way that they can be in accordance with the law and perform any kind of function in that role.

I bet they find A WAY....
If for nothing else use it as a way to harass the opposition and cause entanglements that are negative to the Republicans.
Remember they currently control the Justice Department, the FBI, THE CIA, Homeland Security , etc.
And they have almost always gotten by with their crap when in power - even tho' it be illegal.--Tyr

[fj1200]

I bet they find A WAY....
If for nothing else use it as a way to harass the opposition and cause entanglements that are negative to the Republicans.
Remember they currently control the Justice Department, the FBI, THE CIA, Homeland Security , etc.
And they have almost always gotten by with their crap when in power - even tho' it be illegal.--Tyr

I'll guess it goes nowhere. It looks very bad policy wise.

[Gunny]

I bet they find A WAY....
If for nothing else use it as a way to harass the opposition and cause entanglements that are negative to the Republicans.
Remember they currently control the Justice Department, the FBI, THE CIA, Homeland Security , etc.
And they have almost always gotten by with their crap when in power - even tho' it be illegal.--Tyr


I'll guess it goes nowhere. It looks very bad policy wise.

I agree with both. Guess we'll see where Biden's "Wheel of Fortune" stops this time :rolleyes:

[SassyLady]

I'll guess it goes nowhere. It looks very bad policy wise.
Really? You think the Biden Administration cares about how their policies look?

[fj1200]

Really? You think the Biden Administration cares about how their policies look?

I'm pretty sure the courts care about certain Federal laws.

[SassyLady]

I'm pretty sure the courts care about certain Federal laws.
Well, I'm pretty sure Biden Administration doesn't care about what the courts care about. They're doing what they damn well please. Look at the border fiasco.

[Gunny]

I have a SERIOUS problem with the Federal government, ANY government or ANY body for that matter, telling me what the fuck the truth is when they are the biggest liars.

I have to go with the Biden Admin not giving a flip what anyone, including the courts, thinks about it. He instructed Mayorkas to compile lists of suspected domestic terrorists based mostly an imaginary threat while lefties burned cities. That threat being mostly people on the right who refuse to agree with "whatever the Biden Admin does is right".

Using the "Clinton Method" later improved in by Obama, they just do it. By the time it gets through the courts their tours of duty are over and who cares?

[BoogyMan]

I have wondered when we would see this day arrive. The stones it takes to field something like this knowing the anger it will generate among the American people and to just not care tells me that whoever is running Biden has big and ugly things on the cards for the American people. These morons just cannot seem to understand that 1984 is not an instruction manual.

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[fj1200]

Well, I'm pretty sure Biden Administration doesn't care about what the courts care about. They're doing what they damn week please. Look at the border fiasco.

Yeah OK.

[revelarts]

^Seems they could be in violation of the Hatch Act pretty quickly.


https://osc.gov/Documents/Outreach%20and%20Training/Handouts/A%20Guide%20to%20the%20Hatch%20Act%20for%20Federal %20Employees.pdf

There's almost no way that they can be in accordance with the law and perform any kind of function in that role.

So folks are boiling the question down too weather or not it's PARTISANSHIP which makes it legal or not for the US government to have a Federal bureau that certifies "truthful" information for the country.

If that's the point that The legality of the office rest on then it's already over.
Why?
Because the Office of Information SAYS it's not Partisan.
Govt lawyers in court defend it.
& Govt prosecutors can't seem to find any partisanship.

It's for the good of the country.

Leaping frogging the Constitution is such a habit now that it's not even on the table as a legal defense for this New layer or unconstitutional BSery.

Political Pragmatism on the right has allowed us to get here.
Along w Assumptions that... "It won't go that far"...
And it's to RADICAL or POPULIST or UNREASONABLE to follow the limits of the Constitution.

Constitutionally There's no place in it for blanket govt Surveillance or a ministry of Misinformation .... Etc etc etc.
But that's fringe thinking.
enjoy your ministry of truth, I'm sure all the so-called conservative Constitution loving Republicans will love it when they are in charge of it.

[icansayit]

THEY IGNORE AND ABUSE THIS...
https://ethicssage.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f440106f970b022ad39fe1c6200d-pi


PERIOD!

[fj1200]

So folks are boiling the question down too weather or not it's PARTISANSHIP which makes it legal or not for the US government to have a Federal bureau that certifies "truthful" information for the country.

If that's the point that The legality of the office rest on then it's already over.
Why?
Because the Office of Information SAYS it's not Partisan.
Govt lawyers in court defend it.
& Govt prosecutors can't seem to find any partisanship.

It's for the good of the country.

Leaping frogging the Constitution is such a habit now that it's not even on the table as a legal defense for this New layer or unconstitutional BSery.

Political Pragmatism on the right has allowed us to get here.
Along w Assumptions that... "It won't go that far"...
And it's to RADICAL or POPULIST or UNREASONABLE to follow the limits of the Constitution.

Constitutionally There's no place in it for blanket govt Surveillance or a ministry of Misinformation .... Etc etc etc.
But that's fringe thinking.
enjoy your ministry of truth, I'm sure all the so-called conservative Constitution loving Republicans will love it when they are in charge of it.

That's a mega post for something that has been around for about a minute and a half and probably hasn't done anything yet. IMO partisanship is exactly what would make it illegal because the Hatch Act says so. There's no right/left in the law as written; it just needs to be enforced. I agree that we don't need any Federal agency for this but as I've said before not every bad idea is unconstitutional. It certainly doesn't help that we have a man-child on the other side of biden with his own unofficial ministry of truth.

And don't throw out 'populist' at me without intention of following up. :slap: Following the constitution is not populist.

[Gunny]

That's a mega post for something that has been around for about a minute and a half and probably hasn't done anything yet. IMO partisanship is exactly what would make it illegal because the Hatch Act says so. There's no right/left in the law as written; it just needs to be enforced. I agree that we don't need any Federal agency for this but as I've said before not every bad idea is unconstitutional. It certainly doesn't help that we have a man-child on the other side of biden with his own unofficial ministry of truth.

And don't throw out 'populist' at me without intention of following up. :slap: Following the constitution is not populist.Sorry. Y'all's "real time" isn't checking in with the grandkids before proceeding. I was going to comment on your basic stance yesterday.

I do not disagree that you are legally correct because I lean more toward they'll just do it anyway for the reasons I stated previously. Remember Clinton's "line-item veto" ? It worked for most of his 8 years before it got shot down.

Obamacare. Unconstitutional. Not according to Chief Justice John Roberts. Apparently it says somewhere in the US Constitution we are entitled to healthcare at the working man's expense.

The Iran Nuke deal.

My understanding is Biden is just directing Mayorkas to do this, as he did the previous identifying "extremists" who appear to be only on the right. If that's the case, it isn't going through Congress. I'll give my dissertation on what I think of the way EOs are used (by both sides) at a later time :)

You are correct that it is illegal. I just disagree that based on legality alone Biden & Co won't do it.

How out of touch to do this right before midterms you are already looking pretty miserable in? It's just so Biden :rolleyes:

[fj1200]

You are correct that it is illegal. I just disagree that based on legality alone Biden & Co won't do it.

I'm sure they were set on doing it thinking it's legal not illegal. I hope that they would be shamed into thinking it's a rather stupid thing. If the Republicans are worth any salt, and I think they are, it gets in front of a judge right quick and stopped. And this isn't the type of thing that they can do under the radar; it would be fairly obvious.

[Gunny]

I'm sure they were set on doing it thinking it's legal not illegal. I hope that they would be shamed into thinking it's a rather stupid thing. If the Republicans are worth any salt, and I think they are, it gets in front of a judge right quick and stopped. And this isn't the type of thing that they can do under the radar; it would be fairly obvious.Oh. I see. You're thinking under the premise the Republican't's will do something :poke:

I'm going to try and find an article but this isn't Joe's only overreach on the same day. He's threatening oil companies with fines for not pumping oil because he says so.

I'm not sure any of them have read any law. They're just making this shit up as they go. I certainly hope it reflects in the polls this Fall.

[revelarts]

That's a mega post for something that has been around for about a minute and a half and probably hasn't done anything yet.
Please read my Postscript quote below.

[BoogyMan]

He is dead on correct. I expect so little from either party now that there seems to be very little hope of our founding taking precedent over the machinations of either of the weasel sects.


That's a mega post for something that has been around for about a minute and a half and probably hasn't done anything yet. IMO partisanship is exactly what would make it illegal because the Hatch Act says so. There's no right/left in the law as written; it just needs to be enforced. I agree that we don't need any Federal agency for this but as I've said before not every bad idea is unconstitutional. It certainly doesn't help that we have a man-child on the other side of biden with his own unofficial ministry of truth.

And don't throw out 'populist' at me without intention of following up. :slap: Following the constitution is not populist.

[fj1200]

Please read my Postscript quote below.

I don't see a postscript.


He is dead on correct. I expect so little from either party now that there seems to be very little hope of our founding taking precedent over the machinations of either of the weasel sects.

I'm not sure where that makes me incorrect. Where everything is litigated these days I expect that this will not buck that trend.

[Gunny]

He is dead on correct. I expect so little from either party now that there seems to be very little hope of our founding taking precedent over the machinations of either of the weasel sects.


I don't see a postscript.



I'm not sure where that makes me incorrect. Where everything is litigated these days I expect that this will not buck that trend.I am confused. Which "he" is correct/are you agreeing with @boogeyman?

:)

[Gunny]

Is there supposed to be something humorous about this? This is one of those moments with Dumbass Joe when you just have to wonder WHY? Why make yourself look so transparently as stupid as you are? Not to mention hypocritical. The Biden Admin presuming to tell us what disinformation is reeks of putting Putin in charge of nukes :rolleyes:


“You can just call me the Mary Poppins of disinformation.” That Twitter intro (https://twitter.com/wiczipedia/status/1362153807879303171) to a TikTok parody (https://nypost.com/2022/04/29/biden-disinfo-czar-nina-jankowicz-ripped-over-tiktok/?utm_source=email_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons) of the song “Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious” is now indelibly connected to Nina Jankowicz, the new head of the federal government’s announced Disinformation Governance Board.
Given her record of spreading disinformation (https://nypost.com/2022/04/28/wh-pick-for-disinformation-board-spread-hunter-biden-laptop-lie/) and advocating censorship (https://jonathanturley.org/2022/04/29/the-sweet-sound-of-censorship-the-biden-administration-seeks-the-perfect-pitch-for-disinformation-governance/), Jankowicz hardly needed the musical-inspired persona. Yet, for the Biden administration, Jankowicz — like Mary Poppins — is “practically perfect in every way (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXn3r5plloI)” to keep track of whether we all “measure up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXn3r5plloI)” in our public statements.
It is still unclear from the administration’s public statements (https://www.hstoday.us/federal-pages/dhs/dhs-standing-up-disinformation-governance-board-led-by-information-warfare-expert/) what authority the board will wield, but White House press secretary Jen Psaki (https://thehill.com/people/jen-psaki/) described (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2022/04/28/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-april-28-2022/) the board as intended “to prevent disinformation and misinformation from traveling around the country in a range of communities.”
President Biden (https://thehill.com/people/joe-biden/) already has established himself as arguably the most anti-free speech president since John Adams. During his transition period (https://jonathanturley.org/2020/11/17/all-speech-is-not-equal-biden-taps-anti-free-speech-figure-for-transition-lead-on-media-agency/), Biden appointed outspoken advocates for censorship; as president, he has pushed social media companies to expand censorship (https://jonathanturley.org/2021/07/17/the-lethality-of-free-speech-biden-denounces-big-tech-as-killing-people-by-not-censoring-speech/), while his administration has been criticized (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/06/14/freedom-press-requires-defining-journalists-media-protections/7675765002/?gnt-cfr=1) for spying on journalists.


complete article: https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3472471-bidens-mary-poppins-of-disinformation-the-perfect-nanny-to-tidy-up-mess-of-free-speech/

[Gunny]

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3472878-joe-bidens-ministry-of-truth/


The Biden administration’s Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced this week that it has launched what is being dubbed a Disinformation Governance Board, to combat “misinformation.”
No, really.
A government agency creating a “ministry of truth” to combat what it deems misinformation? And it’s going to fall under the leadership of DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas (https://thehill.com/people/alejandro-mayorkas/)? The guy presiding over the worst border crisis of our lifetimes, who publicly denies it is a crisis at all, while privately admitting (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alejandro-mayorkas-border-immigration-title-42/) it is? Who better to give more
responsibility — in a democracy that largely rejects government intervention over free speech? What could possibly go wrong?
The person chosen to lead this new “Committee of Public Information” under Mayorkas is Nina Jankowicz, who calls herself “a disinformation fellow” and a Russian disinformation expert.
This is always a fun game to play: Let’s say Gov. Ron DeSantis (https://thehill.com/people/ron-desantis/) (R-Fla.) had decided to create a “Disinformation Governance Board” in the state of Florida. And to lead that effort, let’s say he chose someone who once openly pushed a partisan conspiracy theory. You can only imagine the exclamations about a “chilling attack on democracy” and totalitarianism rearing its head in the Sunshine State.
Here’s what Mayorkas’s choice to helm Biden’s “Ministry of Truth” once said about Hunter Biden’s (https://thehill.com/people/hunter-biden/) infamous laptop, which many on the left and in the media dubbed as Russian disinformation in the weeks before the 2020 election.


“We should view it as a Trump campaign product,” Jankowicz said (https://www.nationalreview.com/news/new-dhs-disinformation-head-dismissed-hunter-biden-emails-as-trump-campaign-product/) of the story at the time. “Not to mention that the emails don’t need to be altered to be part of an influence campaign. Voters deserve that context, not a [fairy] tale about a laptop repair shop,” she also tweeted in October 2020.
Well, it turns out the laptop from hell really is just that for Hunter Biden and possibly his father, the sitting president. The New York Times and Washington Post, which both pushed (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/hunter-biden-wall-street-journal-trump.html) the same conspiracy theory (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-truth-behind-the-hunter-biden-non-scandal/2020/10/16/798210bc-0fd1-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html) that the laptop came from Russia to hurt Joe Biden (https://thehill.com/people/joe-biden/) and help Donald Trump, recently confirmed that the laptop and its contents belong to Hunter Biden. A federal investigation into Hunter is expanding, with reports that he may have violated (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html) money-laundering, tax and foreign lobbying laws.
The new head of the “Ministry of Truth” isn’t tweeting much about that investigation these days. Why is that?
Jankowicz was also a big fan of the now-discredited (and laughable) Steele dossier. Here’s what she tweeted (https://twitter.com/wiczipedia/status/1291692143262814209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) about a guest appearance that Steele made on something called the Infotagion podcast: “Listened to this last night. Chris Steele (yes THAT Chris Steele) provides some great historical context about the evolution of disinfo. Worth a listen.”
Steele’s sources have since been proven not to be credible. His allegations of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign, of Russian hookers and “pee tapes” — also not credible. Yet Jankowicz once recommended that we listen to “THAT Chris Steele” when it comes to disinformation.


And here’s what she tweeted in (https://twitter.com/wiczipedia/status/1518643449225953287) recent days about Elon Musk’s purchase of Twitter: “Last week I told @NPRMICHEL: I shudder to think about if free speech absolutists were taking over more platforms, what that would look like for the marginalized communities … which are already shouldering … disproportionate amounts of this abuse.”
This pro-Steele anti-Musker will report to Mayorkas, who said in congressional testimony this week that he inherited “a broken and dismantled” immigration and border-security system from the Trump administration and that “only Congress can fix this.” He added: (https://www.cnsnews.com/article/national/susan-jones/mayorkas-we-will-continue-enforce-our-immigration-laws-we-have) “Yet, we have effectively managed an unprecedented number of non-citizens seeking to enter the United States.”
Border crossings have skyrocketed under Biden-Mayorkas, surpassing an estimated 2 million in 2021 (https://www.borderreport.com/hot-topics/immigration/migrant-encounters-top-2-million-in-calendar-year-2021-on-pace-for-repeat-in-2022/). The numbers weren’t remotely near those under Trump. It was the Biden administration that stopped border-wall construction and ended an effective “Remain in Mexico” policy for asylum-seekers. It was Biden who as a presidential candidate urged migrants (https://www.foxnews.com/media/hannity-biden-told-migrants-surge-border-catastrophic-results) to “surge the border” — and they listened.
The guy whose agency is launching a Disinformation Governance Board also, without evidence, accused his own border patrol agents of whipping migrants, saying (https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/biden-owes-border-patrol-belated-apology-over-phony-charges-whipping) that it “painfully conjured up the worst elements of our nation’s ongoing battle against systemic racism.”


You get the point. Mayorkas and Jankowicz are two of the last people who should be leading any “Ministry of Truth.” And the U.S. government shouldn’t even have considered creating something like this to be run by partisans with political agendas.
Yet this horrible idea apparently has been in the works for some time among Democrats.
“There’s absolutely a commission that’s being discussed, but it seems to be more investigating in style rather than truth and reconciliation,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said (https://nypost.com/2021/01/13/aoc-congress-discussing-probe-to-rein-in-media-after-capitol-riot/) in an Instagram video in 2018. “I do think that several members of Congress in some of my discussions have brought up media literacy because that is part of what happened here. We’re going to have to figure out how we rein in our media environment so you can’t just spew disinformation and misinformation.”
“Rein in our media environment” — how comforting, coming from AOC. Here’s what she said in a 2018 “60 Minutes” interview (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/07/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-very-bad-defense-her-falsehoods/), when asked about how she’d been fact-checked about her dubious public comments:

“People want to really blow up one figure here or one word there. I would argue that they’re missing the forest for the trees. I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually and semantically correct than about being morally right.”
What an utterly fascinating way to define truth: Hey, it’s not that important to be factually correct, as long as a person is, from their own perspective, morally right.
Polling shows both sides of the aisle support reining in Big Tech (https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/3471908-polling-shows-both-sides-of-the-aisle-support-reining-in-big-tech/)Republican Party’s priorities and playbook are hidden in plain view (https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3472830-republican-partys-priorities-and-playbook-are-hidden-in-plain-view/)Maybe Mayorkas can add AOC – who really seemed to care about conditions at border facilities until a Democratic president made her suddenly lose her voice – as an honorary spokesperson for the new “Ministry of Truth.”
The Biden administration says it simply wants to battle misinformation. The best way to start might be to purchase a large mirror. When you blame (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-blames-putin-for-70-of-the-increase-in-inflation-in-america) Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine for inflation that has been rising for well over a year, or blame Trump (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/one-god-awful-mess-biden-lays-border-crisis-trump-admin-n1265908) for the current state of the U.S. border, or say democracy is at stake (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/01/19/remarks-by-president-biden-in-press-conference-6/) if voting rights aren’t federalized, then the arbiters-of-truth business isn’t one it should be in.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3472878-joe-bidens-ministry-of-truth/

[Gunny]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/karl-rove-disinfo-board-czar-nina-jankowicz-partisan-political-hack

[fj1200]

I am confused. Which "he" is correct/are you agreeing with @boogeyman?

:)

I think rev was correct which implies that I am not; Just not sure how.

[revelarts]

I don't see a postscript
It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties.The freeman of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. James Madison...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

First, the corrupt, idiot Biden isnt doing this-- he simply reads what his puppet masters tell him to read.
And yes, it is nothing more than laying a foundation for a dem-controlled Gestapo.
The truth is the dems are no longer operating as Americans, but are under the complete control of the globalists... A damn fact...
The globalists hate our Constitution and its restrictions on the absolute power they can have and use once it is--ABOLISHED.
They and their dem puppets run an agenda to destroy the Constitution and remake this nation as a satellite entity they have absolute control of.
Once this truth is seen and then accepted, so much becomes so very clear, imho.
Those rejecting this reality walk down a very blinded path- despite their good intentions, right-side/conservative leanings and also their patriotism, imho.
In short, as I've stated thousands of times-the dem party is now a party of treason,
A damn fact, that too many refuse to accept or even dare to say!!
That truth and that refusal to face that alarming danger just may end up causing this nation's downfall, imho.- :saluting2:--Tyr

[fj1200]

It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties.The freeman of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. James Madison...

I'm not sure where we disagree here. I'm alarmed. I'm just not hair-on-fire alarmed yet.

[revelarts]

I'm not sure where we disagree here. I'm alarmed. I'm just not hair-on-fire alarmed yet.

At what point is "hair on fire" alarmed?


I mean it's not after:
Blanket Surveillance (emails, text, phone, mail)
No-knock warrants
Random check points w citizenship verifications
Torture
Indefinite detention without trials
Gov't shut down of all biz
Blocking of Religious gatherings
Coerced medication (w lost of Jobs and blocking access to education or health care)
Coerced control of Major Media
Continual threats to the right to bear arms
General loss of the right to Jury trials for most offenses
Free Speech Zones
Rigged/Fixed/Corrupt elections
etc etc

just when should hair get on fire man?
What's the straw that breaks the camels back for you guys

Seriously?

[fj1200]

At what point is "hair on fire" alarmed?


...

I, as a rule, generally don't do hair-on-fire but you're presuming it to be the best way forward. But it looks like you've got about 14+ threads that can be discussed. :)

[revelarts]

I, as a rule, generally don't do hair-on-fire but you're presuming it to be the best way forward. But it looks like you've got about 14+ threads that can be discussed. :)

I'll never say it's time to panic, panic doesn't help.
But acknowledging that the boat has already hit the icebergs and is sinking is the where you start.
Things like closing a Hatch (Act) or 2 aren't going to fix it.
the problems are major.

to use another metaphor, we got problems in the foundation man, seems like too many people think Duck Tape is all that's needed to fix it.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/AvMJCeu1EMmhG/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611d00d5fe4440c45d49887d4ad9194 e4805c8e1d34&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[Gunny]

An interesting comparison. Any way you look at it, Biden has had a propaganda machine up and running from day one. Baghdad Bob got only a moment in time. It's daily routine for Biden. "You're not seeing what you see ..."

I suspect he had to create an entire new propaganda agency just to replace Psaki when she leaves.

[fj1200]

I'll never say it's time to panic, panic doesn't help.
But acknowledging that the boat has already hit the icebergs and is sinking is the where you start.
Things like closing a Hatch (Act) or 2 aren't going to fix it.
the problems are major.

to use another metaphor, we got problems in the foundation man, seems like too many people think Duck Tape is all that's needed to fix it.

Then I'm not sure what we're arguing about. I decided a long time ago not to be a hair-on-fire poster and try to look at things logically while asking questions; sometimes it'll get you accused of being a contrarian and possibly a lefty by the ignorant. ;) Anywho, we've got a conservative majority at SCOTUS, Republican majorities in most state houses and governorships, are poised to take control of Congress in 6 months, and should be able to win the White House in 2 years, 6 months. Things are looking pretty good if the right can avoid looking like the nutty left.

[Gunny]

https://babylonbee.com/news/george-orwell-kicking-himself-for-not-thinking-of-disinformation-governance-board

[revelarts]

nothing to see here...

60 countries sign declaration that commits to bolstering “resilience to disinformation and misinformation”
Pro-censorship governments unite.
The United States (US) and 60 partner countries, including the United Kingdom (UK), Canada, Australia, and members of the European Union (EU), have signed a sweeping “Declaration for the Future of the Internet” which commits to bolstering “resilience to disinformation and misinformation” and somehow upholding free speech rights while also censoring “harmful” content.
The White House framed the declaration as something that supports freedom and privacy by focusing on its commitments to protect human rights, the free flow of information, and privacy. The EU put out similar talking points and claimed that those who signed the declaration support a future internet that’s open, free, global, interoperable, reliable, and secure.
However, the commitments in the declaration are vague and often conflicting. For example, the declaration makes multiple commitments to upholding freedom of expression yet also commits to bolstering “resilience to disinformation and misinformation.” It also contains the seemingly contradictory commitment of ensuring “the right to freedom of expression” is protected when governments and platforms censor content that they deem to be harmful.

Furthermore, many of the governments that signed this declaration are currently pushing sweeping online censorship laws or openly supporting online censorship.
For example, just a few days ago, the Biden administration called for private companies to censor online “misinformation” – the latest of many similar calls. The EU also recently passed its Digital Services Act (DSA) which contains requirements to censor “hate speech” and “misinformation.”
Some government officials, including Canadian Minister of Innovation, Science, and Industry François-Philippe Champagne and UK Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport (DCMS) Secretary of State Nadine Dorries, even mentioned their country’s online censorship laws during the live launch of this Declaration for the Future of the Internet.
“The vision outlined in this declaration aligns very well with the many initiatives we are working on here in Canada, including our Digital Charter,” Champagne said.

Canada’s Digital Charter was launched in 2019 and threatens platforms with “meaningful financial consequences” if they fail to fight online “hate” and “disinformation.”
“I am enormously encouraged to see online safety is a key principle of that declaration,” Dorries said. “As the UK’s Digital Secretary, doing more to protect people online is one of my main priorities – and last month, I was proud to introduce a groundbreaking Online Safety Bill to the UK Parliament that will make the internet safer for everyone.”

The UK’s Online Safety Bill will give the government sweeping censorship powers, censor some “legal but harmful” content, and criminalize “harmful” and “false” communications.
Like the commitments to freedom of expression, the declaration’s commitments to privacy are also being made by governments that engage in or allow mass surveillance.

For example, the EU is allowing the linking of face recognition databases to create a mega surveillance system. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) recently boosted its social media surveillance technology. And the outgoing London Metropolitan police commissioner recently congratulated herself on extending the surveillance state.
While the current signatories of this declaration are governments, the White House plans to work with “the private sector, international organizations, the technical community, academia and civil society, and other relevant stakeholders worldwide to promote, foster, and achieve” the “shared vision” of this Declaration for the Future of the Internet.

Big Tech companies such as Facebook and Google have already welcomed this declaration.
“It’s great to see countries coming together today to launch the Declaration for the Future of the Internet (DFI),” Google’s Vice President, Government Affairs & Public Policy, Karan Bhatia, wrote in a blog post. “We are committed to partnering with governments and civil society through the Declaration to disrupt disinformation campaigns and foreign malign activity, while ensuring people around the world are able to access trustworthy information.”....

https://reclaimthenet.org/60-countries-sign-declaration-misinformation/



sarcasm alert
But Hey, I'm thinking the Hatch Act will fix it... or protect us.

But Hey they haven't DONE anything YET... right. so we have to wait and see.
It's Like letting them make a Dept of Weapon Confiscation... JUST for the ILLEGAL Guns... nothing wrong with that right? As long as it's Illegal weapons. It's fine. and Constitutional! Don't worry, what could go wrong?
But Of course IF the U.S. or partner Multi-national boards of disinformation do something wrong... THEN we take then to court. (If we have 'standing' etc.. have to have law & order ya know)
So Someone takes them to court After we find out "THE TRUTH" about their wrong doing...
from the media sources the Same gov't boards regulates information for.

That's the constitutional way to deal with it... mm hmm.
Plus the hatch act of course.


https://media.giphy.com/media/joV1k1sNOT5xC/giphy.gif

[fj1200]

^Let us know how your hair-on-fire actions solve the problem. What were those again?

[revelarts]

^Let us know how your hair-on-fire actions solve the problem. What were those again?
Speaking frankly, I think I've mentioned several times that I think it may be to late to reverse the overall trend in a meaningful way..
To many people on all sides love big govt control & "solutions".AND the elite know how to play those tunes to consolidate their programs.

But God is not asleep or deaf and the "powers that be" are not omnipotent, so there's some hope. But its less than likely ...& too radical for many.
But Specifically on this ONE item,
before the disinfo board does anything, the courts and congress could start by making official denouncements of the" Disinformation board". Pointing out the inherent unconstitutionally. We the people can do the same. To Biden & our reps.
Congress should refuse to fund the whole DHS (in general) if the disinfo board is put in.
various Courts could preemptively issue injunctions or restraining orders of some kind on any "disinformation" activities And board members/employees. Penalize their access to internet like hackers & penalize their media output.
Next is actually electing some with a real constitutional mind set that would dismantle the board along w the other unconstitutional aspects of the dept of Homeland security.
Like the Roe v Wade ruling the Homeland security Dept... and several others are....ummm... operating outside of constitutional bounds and should be stripped of certain functions or shut down completely. Just Gone.

Those are a few things that come to mind on that ONE issue. I can't say they are perfect or likely responses but there's no need to wait until they "do something" that maybe triggers a limited court response.
Congress & the White House have ALREADY been exposed pressuring media companies to censor individuals and propagandize/LIE to the public on many issues.
The very idea of a govt disinformation board to further orchestrate that activity is unconstitutional (illegal) on its face.

[fj1200]

Speaking frankly, I think I've mentioned several times that I think it may be to late to reverse the overall trend in a meaningful way..
To many people on all sides love big govt control & "solutions".AND the elite know how to play those tunes to consolidate their programs.

But God is not asleep or deaf and the "powers that be" are not omnipotent, so there's some hope. But its less than likely ...& too radical for many.
But Specifically on this ONE item,
before the disinfo board does anything, the courts and congress could start by making official denouncements of the" Disinformation board". Pointing out the inherent unconstitutionally. We the people can do the same. To Biden & our reps.
Congress should refuse to fund the whole DHS (in general) if the disinfo board is put in.
various Courts could preemptively issue injunctions or restraining orders of some kind on any "disinformation" activities And board members/employees. Penalize their access to internet like hackers & penalize their media output.
Next is actually electing some with a real constitutional mind set that would dismantle the board along w the other unconstitutional aspects of the dept of Homeland security.
Like the Roe v Wade ruling the Homeland security Dept... and several others are....ummm... operating outside of constitutional bounds and should be stripped of certain functions or shut down completely. Just Gone.

Those are a few things that come to mind on that ONE issue. I can't say they are perfect or likely responses but there's no need to wait until they "do something" that maybe triggers a limited court response.
Congress & the White House have ALREADY been exposed pressuring media companies to censor individuals and propagandize/LIE to the public on many issues.
The very idea of a govt disinformation board to further orchestrate that activity is unconstitutional (illegal) on its face.


Then I'm not sure what we're arguing about. I decided a long time ago not to be a hair-on-fire poster and try to look at things logically while asking questions; sometimes it'll get you accused of being a contrarian and possibly a lefty by the ignorant. ;) Anywho, we've got a conservative majority at SCOTUS, Republican majorities in most state houses and governorships, are poised to take control of Congress in 6 months, and should be able to win the White House in 2 years, 6 months. Things are looking pretty good if the right can avoid looking like the nutty left.

So I guess I still don't know what we're arguing about. We weren't too far apart. :poke: You type more than I do these days. ;)

FWIW I was expecting a darkweb link to a pitchfork wholesaler. :eek: