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BoogyMan
09-24-2022, 10:07 PM
Very interesting read.

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https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/09/12/leftism-not-liberalism-differences/


What is the difference between a leftist and a liberal?

Answering this question is vital to understanding the crisis facing America and the West today. Yet few seem able to do it. I offer the following as a guide.

Here’s the first thing to know: The two have almost nothing in common.

On the contrary, liberalism has far more in common with conservatism than it does with leftism. The left has appropriated the word “liberal” so effectively that almost everyone—liberals, leftists, and conservatives—thinks they are synonymous.

But they aren’t. Let’s look at some important examples.

Race: This is perhaps the most obvious of the many moral differences between liberalism and leftism.

The essence of the liberal position on race was that the color of one’s skin is insignificant. To liberals of a generation ago, only racists believed that race is intrinsically significant. However, to the left, the notion that race is insignificant is itself racist.

Thus, the University of California officially regards the statement, “There is only one race, the human race,” as racist.

For that reason, liberals were passionately committed to racial integration. Liberals should be sickened by the existence of black dormitories and separate black graduations on university campuses.

Capitalism: Liberals have always been pro-capitalism, recognizing it for what it is: the only economic means of lifting great numbers out of poverty.

Liberals did often view government as able to play a bigger role in lifting people out of poverty than conservatives, but they were never opposed to capitalism, and they were never for socialism. Opposition to capitalism and advocacy of socialism are leftist values.

Nationalism: Liberals deeply believed in the nation-state, whether their nation was the United States, Great Britain, or France.

The left has always opposed nationalism because leftism is rooted in class solidarity, not national solidarity. The left has contempt for nationalism, seeing in it intellectual and moral primitivism at best, and the road to fascism at worst.

Liberals always wanted to protect American sovereignty and borders. The notion of open borders would have struck a liberal as just as objectionable as it does a conservative.

It is emblematic of our time that the left-wing writers of Superman comics had Superman announce a few years ago, “I intend to speak before the United Nations tomorrow and inform them that I am renouncing my American citizenship.”

When the writers of Superman were liberal, Superman was not only an American but one who fought for “truth, justice, and the American way.” But in his announcement, he explained that motto is “not enough anymore.”

View of America: Liberals venerated America.

Watch American films from the 1930s through the 1950s and you will be watching overtly patriotic, America-celebrating films—virtually all produced, directed, and acted in by liberals.

Liberals well understand that America is imperfect, but they agree with a liberal icon named Abraham Lincoln that America is “the last best hope of earth.”

To the left, America is essentially a racist, sexist, violent, homophobic, xenophobic, and Islamophobic country. The left around the world loathe America, and it is hard to imagine why the American left would differ in this one way from fellow leftists around the world.

Leftists often take offense at having their love of America doubted. But those left-wing descriptions of America are not the only reason to assume that the left has more contempt than love for America.

The left’s view of America was encapsulated in then-presidential candidate Barack Obama’s statement in 2008. “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America,” he said.

Now, if you were to meet a man who said that he wanted to fundamentally transform his wife, or a woman who said that about her husband, would you assume that either loved their spouse? Of course not.

Free speech: The difference between the left and liberals regarding free speech is as dramatic as the difference regarding race.

No one was more committed than American liberals to the famous statement, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

Liberals still are. But the left is leading the first nationwide suppression of free speech in American history—from the universities to Google to almost every other institution and place of work.

It claims to only oppose hate speech. But protecting the right of person A to say what person B deems objectionable is the entire point of free speech.

Western civilization: Liberals have a deep love of Western civilization. They taught it at virtually every university and celebrated its unique moral, ethical, philosophical, artistic, musical, and literary achievements.

No liberal would have joined the leftist Rev. Jesse Jackson in chanting at Stanford University: “Hey, hey. Ho, ho. Western civ has got to go.”

The most revered liberal in American history is probably former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who frequently cited the need to protect not just Western civilization but Christian civilization.

Yet leftists unanimously denounced President Donald Trump for his speech in Warsaw, Poland, in which he spoke of protecting Western civilization. They argued not only that Western civilization is not superior to any other civilization but also that it is no more than a euphemism for white supremacy.

Judaism and Christianity: Liberals knew and appreciated the Judeo-Christian roots of American civilization. They themselves went to church or synagogue, or at the very least appreciated that most of their fellow Americans did.

The contempt that the left has—and has always had—for religion (except for Islam today) is not something with which a liberal would ever have identified.

If the left is not defeated, American and Western civilization will not survive. But the left will not be defeated until good liberals understand this and join the fight.

Dear liberals: Conservatives are not your enemy. The left is.

Gunny
09-25-2022, 09:27 AM
Very interesting read.

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https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/09/12/leftism-not-liberalism-differences/I'll comment, then read :) I've been screaming that from the top of my lungs ad naseum for 30 years. These Democrat, fascist leftards have very little in common with the ideal of liberalism beyond hijacking the label. Some already know, but for those that don't, I rarely-leaning-toward-don't call lefties "liberals". They are a disgrace to the word and the ideals of true liberalism.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlIjMJBSnRE

Gunny
09-27-2022, 10:16 AM
I have to say the biggest change politically I have seen (being relative to my age and experience) was from 1970-1980. The 1960s was a completely different World. Everybody had manners. Democrats were more conservative in behavior than Republicans are now. They still liked their "New Deal" programs and social security, most having been alive during the Depression. All of my family to the man were WWII vets and some Korean War vets.

Then came the "dove" Democrats behind Hubert Humphrey in 68. Every hippy and draft dodger and social program abuser piled right on. Southern Democrats bailed on the party then. Leftwingnuts like to blame some Nixon, racist "Southern Strategy" but the fact is the Dems did it to themselves every bit as much anything Nixon did.

I guess the best way I can describe it is the 60s was in black and white and the 70s in living color :) The 60s was impeccable manners, clean clothes without holes in them, always ironed. Church 3 times a week. Christmas and Thanksgiving were annual occasions you waited all year for. We were really poor. At the time none of us knew it. But to paraphrase Charlie Daniels, we didn't ask nobody for nothing if we could get it on our own.

The 70s was a "free" as it gets. You could go anywhere and do anything without someone up your tailpipe every step. No surveillance cameras every other house and business. No internet/tv data collection. No GPS the government can turn on right after you turn it off, or built into the internal components of your vehicle so you can't remove it. When I drove out of my driveway I was off the grid until I showed up somewhere.

Liberals had a live and let live attitude. Don't include me in your bullshit and we'll be fine. That wasn't good enough for control-freak, progressive leftists. They had to tell everyone else what to do. While targeting the right saying that is what the right was trying to do. Liberals were caught n the middle and most preferred less government and more freedom the the control freak leftists. The 1980 Presidential election was the result of that.

One of the most noticeable things I recall from the Humphrey leftists is they started controlling television. Everything was too violent. We went from TV westerns in the 60s to Little House on the Prairie, Love Boat and countless, ridiculously stupid sitcoms that rehashed the same issues over and over. But no violence. The leftist mothers determined it was bad for their children. The Dems were the ones that started legislating morality, only now they have gone so far left they have none.

They have dragged us slowly over the cliff since. Anything the right/Republicans have done that is good, they have doubled down on vilifying. Carter could provide weapons to the Muhajadeen in Afghanistan, but they tried their damnedest to nail Reagan for Iran-Contra. They have since thrown out any pretense of civil diplomacy in political negotiation.

I guess as stark a change in us as a Nation has been from 2008 until now. The leftists have become intolerant to the right. They can't lose. If they lose it's a stolen election. If a Republican loses, it's a lie. They have a propaganda/smear campaign that would have Goebbels taking notes.

I can't walk out the door that I'm not on someone's camera. Something/someone somewhere is counting my keystrokes even as I type; which, I have no doubt they can turn into everything I do on the computer into plain English to misuse out of contest against me as they see fit with little effort. Same with the cell phone. I don't have one, but if you have a newer model car they can track your GPS and even remotely turn off your vehicle.

Not my idea of liberal, nor freedom.

Evmetro
09-30-2022, 06:37 PM
I sometimes miss the old political identifying terms, but in the current political landscape, I've abandoned them as obsolete. It's not like I'm not familiar with all the old terms, but that they have been hijacked by the left in their effort to find political cover for what they really are. I've got it down to lefties and righties now, and it is only based upon what I hear a person say or post. Lefties are on one side of the war, righties are on the other.

This simplification is a bit much for many, mostly those who claim to be further right than they really are. People claim to be further right than they really are, since righties have more credibility. We are always right, we study a broader range of media, and our culture is based upon Judea Christian values instead of communism. Lefties don't want to be associated with election fraud, censorship, deplatforming, cheating, fake news, deadly vaccines, or unnecessary masking, so they claim to be conservatives or something more to the right of what they really are.

Mr. P
10-01-2022, 05:32 PM
Damn gunny, sometimes I think I've got a twin brother that I never knew of!!! :salute: