How About A Little Quiz?

[Mr. P]

*I stoled it from another site.

A little history lesson: If you don't know the answer make your best guess. Answer all the questions before looking at the answers. Who said it?


1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few...and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity."

A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) "(We)...can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."

A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Jose f Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own...in order to create this common ground."

A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."

A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."

A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above









Answers:

(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005

Are you afraid yet?

[hjmick]

I scored 100%, and I even knew with whom the statements originated.

[truthmatters]

can you prove these QUOTES?

[retiredman]

context is everything.... but not, obviously, when playing schoolyard gotcha games!:laugh2:

[hjmick]

can you prove these QUOTES?

She said them TM, the question is, in what context were they said and what was left out?

Luckily, the good folks at Snopes have the answer:

Hillary or Karl? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp)

[retiredman]

sophomoric....

pathetic:laugh2:

[hjmick]

sophomoric....

pathetic:laugh2:

You have to love Snopes.

[Mr. P]

What, you guys don't like the liberal main stream media form of reporting?

Context? Pfffffftttt :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[KarlMarx]

sophomoric....

pathetic:laugh2:
well... Hillary is ugly and a poo-poo head and nobody likes her and when she brushes her teeth, she has to close her eyes or she'll scare herself if she looks in the mirror and she has B.O. and she picks her nose....


so there!

[retiredman]

well... Hillary is ugly and a poo-poo head and nobody likes her and when she brushes her teeth, she has to close her eyes or she'll scare herself if she looks in the mirror and she has B.O. and she picks her nose....


so there!
a step up from Mr.P, that is for sure!

[Mr. P]

a step up from Mr.P, that is for sure!

:laugh2: No she's not! I met the bitch, and I do mean BITCH!:poke:

[avatar4321]

She said them TM, the question is, in what context were they said and what was left out?

Luckily, the good folks at Snopes have the answer:

Hillary or Karl? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp)

Honestly, I think those comments are even more damning in context.

[manu1959]

Honestly, I think those comments are even more damning in context.

i agree....especially the one where she tells the rich they need to sacrifice for the common good

[avatar4321]

i agree....especially the one where she tells the rich they need to sacrifice for the common good

I think its very telling that she will be that open with her own party members. Why shouldnt we believe her even more when she is talking to people she knows will agree with her?

[diuretic]

I know Marx is difficult to read but if you did read him, even extracts from some of his major works, you'd see the comparison is risible.

[KarlMarx]

Back to being serious. Hillary Clinton is a disciple of Saul Alinsky, a radical. His ideas seem to be lifted right out of the Communist Manifesto and Machiavelli. Not only that, but Saul Alinsky was from Chicago, the same town that Hillary Clinton is from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

Wikipedia lists her as one of his students.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/saul_alinsky.html


lists some of his quotes....

http://www.forestcouncil.org/tims_picks/view.php?id=1075

an interview with Alinsky

you can see how Hillary Clinton has taken this guy to heart.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary Clinton has a copy of Alinsky's "Reveille for Radicals" on her nightstand.

Knowing this, why should anyone be surprised that she says the things she does?

Let's call Hillary Clinton what she is, a socialist. She no more has the values of John F. Kennedy than she does the values of Ronald Reagan.

[diuretic]

Back to being serious. Hillary Clinton is a disciple of Saul Alinsky, a radical. His ideas seem to be lifted right out of the Communist Manifesto and Machiavelli. Not only that, but Saul Alinsky was from Chicago, the same town that Hillary Clinton is from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

Wikipedia lists her as one of his students.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/saul_alinsky.html


lists some of his quotes....

http://www.forestcouncil.org/tims_picks/view.php?id=1075

an interview with Alinsky

you can see how Hillary Clinton has taken this guy to heart.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary Clinton has a copy of Alinsky's "Reveille for Radicals" on her nightstand.

Knowing this, why should anyone be surprised that she says the things she does?

Let's call Hillary Clinton what she is, a socialist. She no more has the values of John F. Kennedy than she does the values of Ronald Reagan.

This is weird. You have Karl Marx as your avatar. Guess who mine is?

Saul Alinsky. :laugh2: Really, no kidding.

I've got Rules for Radicals but not Reveille for Radicals, must get it.

You should read Alinsky then you'll understand where he was coming from and why his ideas won't be followed by any president or any politician for that matter.

Clinton is not a socialist. If you knew what socialism meant you'd know that. In the US "socialist" is a powerful ju-ju word, used without any real comprehension of what it means. Clinton is from a privileged background, she has had a privileged life, she may have a social conscience but that's where anything "social" about Clinton ends. She is not a socialist. Socialists around the world would be offended at any comparison with Clinton.

[April15]

I am glad you see hillary as your next president. I do believe all the quotes are taken out of context and as such show how any line of text can be made to look bad.

[Mr. P]

I am glad you see hillary as your next president. I do believe all the quotes are taken out of context and as such show how any line of text can be made to look bad.

The quotes are ALL firmly entrenched in the context of Socialism.

[April15]

The quotes are ALL firmly entrenched in the context of Socialism.In your opinion. I feel that unrestrained capitalism has failed the people of this nation and we need to reign in the greed and unscrupulous politicians who bow to corporate wishes. Yes socialist actions would be better for the whole than the current corporate welfare system!

[Mr. P]

In your opinion. I feel that unrestrained capitalism has failed the people of this nation and we need to reign in the greed and unscrupulous politicians who bow to corporate wishes. Yes socialist actions would be better for the whole than the current corporate welfare system!

Not my opinion, it's fact. I disagree that capitalism has failed, in fact it keeps rolling along despite the efforts to destroy it. I agree we should reign in the greed and unscrupulous politicians, this in fact is the problem, not capitalism.

[happyfeet]

I find it more interesting that the other three candidates in each question are people who have proven to be responsible for some of the worst attrocities against humanity. There is nothing wrong with the quotes - why are you making otu those people said it, too? Why not some of the leading philanthropists of the world? They too would believe those things. How do you know Lenin, Mao, Il-Kim and Idi Amin believed those quotes too? Sounds like a deliberate smear with nothing to back it up.

[April15]

Not my opinion, it's fact. I disagree that capitalism has failed, in fact it keeps rolling along despite the efforts to destroy it. I agree we should reign in the greed and unscrupulous politicians, this in fact is the problem, not capitalism.The politicians and corporations are one in the same. Hence my contention capitalism has failed to support the very people who make it possible, the worker.

[diuretic]

The quotes are ALL firmly entrenched in the context of Socialism.

Rubbish, if you knew anything about socialism you'd not spout such ridiculous statements.

[diuretic]

The politicians and corporations are one in the same. Hence my contention capitalism has failed to support the very people who make it possible, the worker.

Capitalism hasn't failed workers. It has given workers a huge amount of benefit. The average worker wouldn't have the standard of living they do in advanced societies if it weren't for capitalism.

[April15]

She said them TM, the question is, in what context were they said and what was left out?

Luckily, the good folks at Snopes have the answer:

Hillary or Karl? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp)Well if you do the snopes you will find out just how out of context they are. I am amazed at how twisted they seem when pulled out of reference to the subject being spoken on.
True right wing propaganda machine.

[KarlMarx]

This is weird. You have Karl Marx as your avatar. Guess who mine is?

Saul Alinsky. :laugh2: Really, no kidding.

I've got Rules for Radicals but not Reveille for Radicals, must get it.

You should read Alinsky then you'll understand where he was coming from and why his ideas won't be followed by any president or any politician for that matter.

Clinton is not a socialist. If you knew what socialism meant you'd know that. In the US "socialist" is a powerful ju-ju word, used without any real comprehension of what it means. Clinton is from a privileged background, she has had a privileged life, she may have a social conscience but that's where anything "social" about Clinton ends. She is not a socialist. Socialists around the world would be offended at any comparison with Clinton.
Merrian-Webster's definition of "socialism". No, she's a socialist alright.

Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: <TT>'sO-sh&-"li-z&m</TT>
Function: noun
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/society) or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/society) in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/society) in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

[April15]

Capitalism hasn't failed workers. It has given workers a huge amount of benefit. The average worker wouldn't have the standard of living they do in advanced societies if it weren't for capitalism.Part of what you say is correct. But look at the disparity in the working class of people in this country now and just 10 years ago. The profit on workers has risen with the rise in production by the working man. The working man has not seen an equivilent rise in pay or benefits as the profit margins on his labor.
The second part is the corporations are leaving the American worker for cheaper labor offshore at the risk of loosing a market here at home by causing financial hardship on those who helped build the co's.

[diuretic]

Merrian-Webster's definition of "socialism". No, she's a socialist alright.

Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: <TT>'sO-sh&-"li-z&m</TT>
Function: noun
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/society) or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/society) in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/society) in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

How can I put this without being offensive? Clinton is not a socialist. She isn't even a bit pink, let alone red. She is protective of capitalism, just like the whole Democratic Party. She may have plans for social policies which her opponents may decry as "socialism" thus employing the bad ju-ju word but any analysis of her programmes shows that they are far from being socialist. She has no plans for the social ownership of the means of production, she is a capitalist through and through.

[diuretic]

Part of what you say is correct. But look at the disparity in the working class of people in this country now and just 10 years ago. The profit on workers has risen with the rise in production by the working man. The working man has not seen an equivilent rise in pay or benefits as the profit margins on his labor.

You're right, the earnings disparity is extremely high but that's not the fault of capitalism. Adam Smith would be horrified if he were alive today, to see the corruption perpetrated in the name of capitalism. The fact is that capitalism has been the most successful economic system in the whole of human history. It has ameliorated much suffering as well as ensuring a decent standard of living for even the most lowly paid worker. It's a brilliant economic system. Unfortunately corrupt corporatism has used it to enrich the privileged. Hence Bush's little joke about his base being composed of the "haves and have-mores". Corporatism has corrupted capitalism. The avaricious bastards in the corporations have enriched themselves beyond the belief of ancient despots. In the corporatist world money isn't a useful thing for transaction, it's to be amassed as measure of the worth of a person. That is an absolute corruption of capitalism. Capitalism has been a great force for good in the world and I say that as a lifelong democratic socialist.




The second part is the corporations are leaving the American worker for cheaper labor offshore at the risk of loosing a market here at home by causing financial hardship on those who helped build the co's.

Corporatism is amoral. It doesn't care about anything other than amassing wealth for the sake of the few corporatists. However it's going to shoot itself in the foot. As every job is offshored (and it's happening in my country) damage is done to the consumer economy on which capitalism depends for its existence. If this keeps up the corporatists will be committing economic suicide. Unfortunately corporations are now more powerful than governments so it won't stop until the whole system caves in on itself.

[Mr. P]

Rubbish, if you knew anything about socialism you'd not spout such ridiculous statements.

Nope. I do know, and she is..I think she actually said so at one point years ago.

[diuretic]

Nope. I do know, and she is..I think she actually said so at one point years ago.

I'd like to see it, really I would because I could then join in with everyone else and have a go at her. She is no socialist.