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fj1200
01-23-2023, 03:35 PM
Yale research: Highly successful people argue differently (https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/19/yale-researchers-how-highly-successful-people-argue.html)
Instead of trying to “win” every argument you find yourself in, you could have more success if you look at arguments as opportunities to learn and grow.That’s according to Matthew Fisher, a psychologist and marketing professor at Southern Methodist University, who co-authored a 2016 study while at Yale University (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/cogs.12380) on the benefits of “arguing to learn.” “Being willing to hear out other perspectives and engage in dialogue that isn’t simply meant to convince the other person you’re right can lead to all sorts of unexpected insights,” Fisher tells CNBC Make It.


In fact, according to Fisher, keeping an open mind during an argument not only helps you learn new things, it can also help you land on the correct answer and make others more receptive to your point of view.
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Seo recommends thinking of a debate as an opportunity to clarify your own point of view, rather than a chance to “beat” someone else. In Seo’s telling, “both sides walk away feeling like they would do that again” in any good argument.
People areoften focused on what they’re going to say next, rather than what they’re learning from an argument. So Seo’s debating basics might make it easier to get your mind off the specifics of a debate and help you truly listen to your conversation partner.
He recommends trying to hit four “primary W’s” in any argument:


What’s your argument?
Why is it true?
When has it happened before?
Who cares?

It’s advice that can benefit most people, especially in the workplace, Fisher says. In environments where people in leadership positions are unwilling to admit they’re wrong, people might be too scared to speak up — and that’s the worst case scenario for any kind of conflict, because either one point of view dominates or the problem goes unsolved.
“That’s going to actually hurt everybody in the long term,” he says.

revelarts
01-23-2023, 04:00 PM
the 'Who Cares' question is the hardest one to crack. in most cases it's very few.
At least on many of the topics I'm interested in.

Russ
01-23-2023, 05:14 PM
This Matthew Fisher presents an excellent idea for approaching an argument if you are honest and your purpose is learning or getting closer to the truth.

Unfortunately, the idea won't work very well unless both people in the argument approach things this way. I doesn't work well if the other person is, say, a Dem and the argument involves challenging in any way one of the myriad of Dem-accepted stances. The result of the argument then would immediately be a raised voice, shocked expression, and name-calling without any attempt at debate.

If you can find a good arguer, though, then this idea is great.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ

Gunny
01-24-2023, 11:37 AM
Yale research: Highly successful people argue differently (https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/19/yale-researchers-how-highly-successful-people-argue.html)

Current culture doesn't allow for honest debate. It's all about shouting the other person down by whatever means necessary. No less than our government sets the example for the mindless who must win, even when they don't know what they are talking about.

How many times, especially as time has progressed since 2000 (on the net), has one leaving in disgust at the flaming stupid tard you're trying to have an elementary school-level conversation with resulted in said tard declaring victory and you ran away?:rolleyes:

It's another case of the noisy-ass know-nothings silencing the people that actually have something intelligent to offer a discussion.

tailfins
01-24-2023, 11:41 AM
Yale research: Highly successful people argue differently (https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/19/yale-researchers-how-highly-successful-people-argue.html)



In the field of Data Science, you evaluate the relevance of the data before you spend time on its reliability. If there's no money involved, do you really care if someone thinks that a straight beats a flush? Go ahead and play by those rules if you have nothing better to do.