Biden Sending Troops To Active Duty

[BoogyMan]

Right after President Zaleskyy's latest request for more American support. Definitely an eye opener.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/07/13/ordering-the-selected-reserve-and-certain-members-of-the-individual-ready-reserve-of-the-armed-forces-to-active-duty


By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including sections 121 and 12304 of title 10, United States Code, I hereby determine that it is necessary to augment the active Armed Forces of the United States for the effective conduct of Operation Atlantic Resolve in and around the United States European Command’s area of responsibility. In furtherance of this operation, under the stated authority, I hereby authorize the Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of Homeland Security with respect to the Coast Guard when it is not operating as a service in the Navy, under their respective jurisdictions, to order to active duty any units, and any individual members not assigned to a unit organized to serve as a unit of the Selected Reserve, or any member in the Individual Ready Reserve mobilization category and designated as essential under regulations prescribed by the Secretary concerned, not to exceed 3,000 total members at any one time, of whom not more than 450 may be members of the Individual Ready Reserve, as they deem necessary, and to terminate the service of those units and members ordered to active duty.

This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

[Mr. P]

[QUOTE=BoogyMan;1011676]Right after President Zaleskyy's latest request for more American support. Definitely an eye opener.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/07/13/ordering-the-selected-reserve-and-certain-members-of-the-individual-ready-reserve-of-the-armed-forces-to-active-duty[/Q

He had better reactivate the draft too. The way things are going he's going to need more troops. At this point we are far short of what would be needed in two theaters.

[revelarts]

How many American lives and dollars are we willing to throw at Russia via Ukraine
over Ukraine?

Why do we want to go to world war III with Russia and China?
Do we really want to continue to poke the Bears... for Ukraine's victory?

Will Ukraine be a SAFER place during that war?
More lives saved there?
Won't Ukraine be the front line?
Will it be better off AFTER a world war with it as the front line?
Is it possible that we could loose Ukraine even after a war?

I'm aware some folks here think it's worth it & that Russia is simply a "bad guy" "who must be stopped".
I think that's BS, promoted by the same kind of people who've promoted war with
Iraq
Iran
Syria
Libya
Afghanistan
And several South American leaders & countries Etc Etc
When the Western 'powers that be' could not get those nations to do what they wanted in other ways.
So they used (or manufactured) some pretense then wrapped it the flag and "freedom" & "safety" words and shipped over soldiers, equipment and CASH across the planet.

[AHZ]

How many American lives and dollars are we willing to throw at Russia via Ukraine
over Ukraine?

Why do we want to go to world war III with Russia and China?
Do we really want to continue to poke the Bears... for Ukraine's victory?

Will Ukraine be a SAFER place during that war?
More lives saved there?
Won't Ukraine be the front line?
Will it be better off AFTER a world war with it as the front line?
Is it possible that we could loose Ukraine even after a war?

I'm aware some folks here think it's worth it & that Russia is simply a "bad guy" "who must be stopped".
I think that BS, promoted by the same kind of people who've promoted war with
Iraq
Iran
Syria
Libya
Afghanistan
And several South American leaders & countries Etc Etc
When the Western 'powers that be' could not get those nations to do what they wanted in other ways.
So they used (or manufactured) some pretense then wrapped it the flag and "freedom" & "safety" words and shipped over soldiers, equipment and CASH across the planet.


these neocon warhawk dipshits dont care.

they're psychotic.

[BoogyMan]

Nobody wants war and you should consider your words more carefully.


these neocon warhawk dipshits dont care.

they're psychotic.

[AHZ]

Nobody wants war and you should consider your words more carefully.


the military industrial complex always wants war.

my words are spot on.

sorry the truth hurts.

[BoogyMan]

Truth? You keep using that word yet you seem to have no understanding of what it actually is.


the military industrial complex always wants war.

my words are spot on.

sorry the truth hurts.

[AHZ]

Truth? You keep using that word yet you seem to have no understanding of what it actually is.


is the military industrial complex neutral on war policy?

[Gunny]

[QUOTE=BoogyMan;1011676]Right after President Zaleskyy's latest request for more American support. Definitely an eye opener.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/07/13/ordering-the-selected-reserve-and-certain-members-of-the-individual-ready-reserve-of-the-armed-forces-to-active-duty[/Q

He had better reactivate the draft too. The way things are going he's going to need more troops. At this point we are far short of what would be needed in two theaters.

Agree. If he's going to call up reserves just to support an administrative support effort, he's got problems if we actually need a military. He's showing the World just how neglected he has left our active forces. Probably best he's funding the Ukraine to do the fighting.

[revelarts]

Former F-16 pilot says he would not want to fly missions over Ukraine right now, arguing 'there is no fighting chance'
https://www.businessinsider.com/former-f-16-pilot-aircraft-no-fighting-chance-over-ukraine-2023-5
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/25/f-16-ukraine-milley-00098892

"
•Ukraine has repeatedly asked the US for fourth-generation fighter jets, like the F-16.
•But air-combat experts have said that these aircraft would have little battlefield impact.
•A former F-16 pilot said these jets don't have a fighting chance given Russia's air-defense systems."

[revelarts]

Hungary PM VIKTOR ORBAN:
"If the Americans wanted it, peace would come the next morning. Why Americans don’t want that is a question that puzzles the entire world."

[AHZ]

Hungary PM VIKTOR ORBAN:
"If the Americans wanted it, peace would come the next morning. Why Americans don’t want that is a question that puzzles the entire world."


the military industrial complex has achieved state capture.

[Gunny]

Hungary PM VIKTOR ORBAN:
"If the Americans wanted it, peace would come the next morning. Why Americans don’t want that is a question that puzzles the entire world."


the military industrial complex has achieved state capture.

Horse shit. If PUTIN wanted peace tomorrow, there'd be peace. Not sure what is so complicated about who the aggressor is here that it is incomprehensible, but Americans didn't start this shit.

[Black Diamond]

I am sure if Putin planned to put missiles in mexico aimed at Biden's basement we'd get aggressive. We'd be in Panama by now. Preventive war and all

[AHZ]

Horse shit. If PUTIN wanted peace tomorrow, there'd be peace. Not sure what is so complicated about who the aggressor is here that it is incomprehensible, but Americans didn't start this shit.


and if america wanted peace.

there would be peace.

remember when boris johnson was sent to stop peace?






"The British government has become an obstacle to peace in Ukraine," said the Stop the War Coalition. "The conflict there is developing into a proxy war between Russia and NATO and it is the Ukrainian people who will suffer the consequences."



JAKE JOHNSON (https://www.commondreams.org/author/jake-johnson)
May 06, 2022















The Ukrainian news outlet Ukrayinska Pravda reported Thursday that British Prime Minister Boris Johnson used his surprise visit to Kyiv last month to pressure President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to cut off peace negotiations with Russia, even after the two sides appeared to have made tenuous progress (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/16/ukraine-russia-reportedly-making-significant-progress-toward-15-point-peace-deal) toward a settlement to end the war.
Citing unnamed sources from Zelenskyy's "inner circle" and advisory team, Pravdareported (https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2022/05/5/7344096/) that "Johnson brought two simple messages to Kyiv":
"The first is that Putin is a war criminal; he should be pressured, not negotiated with. And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not. We can sign [an agreement] with you [Ukraine], but not with him. Anyway, he will screw everyone over," is how one of Zelenskyy's close associates summed up the essence of Johnson's visit...
Johnson's position was that the collective West, which back in February had suggested Zelenskyy should surrender and flee, now felt that Putin was not really as powerful as they had previously imagined.
Moreover, there is a chance to "press" him. And the West wants to use it.


https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper
















Boris Johnson Pressured Zelenskyy to Ditch Peace Talks With Russia ... (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper)


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May 6, 2022May 06, 2022 The Ukrainian news outlet Ukrayinska Pravda reported Thursday that British Prime Minister Boris Johnson used his surprise visit to Kyiv last month to pressure President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to cut off peace negotiations with Russia, even after the two sides appeared to have made tenuous progress toward a settlement to end the war.

[icansayit]

declare war?

[Black Diamond]

declare war?

You know better than I do congress hasnt declared war since 1941.
Biden will go it alone like his mentor did.

[Gunny]

I am sure if Putin planned to put missiles in mexico aimed at Biden's basement we'd get aggressive. We'd be in Panama by now. Preventive war and allSimple history. Where did it get the good ol' US of A pretending WWs I & II weren't happening?

It got us entirely supplying the allied war effort. If got us late into wars that should have been stopped where and when they started. Instead, we had to do it anyway in the end, only we had to take back, at the cost of blood, entire countries/geographical regions one step and one dead body at a time.

You think the government is trampling on our Rights now? Let this devolve into WW III. This country was on lockdown for 4 years during WW II and if you said one wrong word you got locked up. Everything was rationed. You want THIS admin to have that kind of power? Shit. We'll all be defecting to Russia to get some freedom back :rolleyes:

Pretending we aren't involved in Europe is like pretending we don't have Democrats. We are and it has to be dealt with. Whether or not you, I or anyone else likes it.

[Black Diamond]

Simple history. Where did it get the good ol' US of A pretending WWs I & II weren't happening?

It got us entirely supplying the allied war effort. If got us late into wars that should have been stopped where and when they started. Instead, we had to do it anyway in the end, only we had to take back, at the cost of blood, entire countries/geographical regions one step and one dead body at a time.

You think the government is trampling on our Rights now? Let this devolve into WW III. This country was on lockdown for 4 years during WW II and if you said one wrong word you got locked up. Everything was rationed. You want THIS admin to have that kind of power? Shit. We'll all be defecting to Russia to get some freedom back :rolleyes:

Pretending we aren't involved in Europe is like pretending we don't have Democrats. We are and it has to be dealt with. Whether or not you, I or anyone else likes it.

Every time someone fucks around Munich or the like is brought up. Chamberlain and I cant remember the French presidents name got played and therefore from now on involvement or war is the answer. Aside from whether or not both wars with saddam were justified hitler was mentioned at least the first time as reason to get involved.

So Biden is doing this right before an election year. He can show he is FDR.

[Black Diamond]

Simple history. Where did it get the good ol' US of A pretending WWs I & II weren't happening?

It got us entirely supplying the allied war effort. If got us late into wars that should have been stopped where and when they started. Instead, we had to do it anyway in the end, only we had to take back, at the cost of blood, entire countries/geographical regions one step and one dead body at a time.

You think the government is trampling on our Rights now? Let this devolve into WW III. This country was on lockdown for 4 years during WW II and if you said one wrong word you got locked up. Everything was rationed. You want THIS admin to have that kind of power? Shit. We'll all be defecting to Russia to get some freedom back :rolleyes:

Pretending we aren't involved in Europe is like pretending we don't have Democrats. We are and it has to be dealt with. Whether or not you, I or anyone else likes it.

They may crack down anyway. I know your buddy Lincoln did :cool: I knew about japanese anericans being put in internment camps but i didn't know about speech being limited during ww2. Someone according to the movie made a cartoon with Patton with a swastika after he slapped that kid. I don't think the cartoonist was jailed.

[Gunny]

They may crack down anyway. I know your buddy Lincoln did :cool: I knew about japanese anericans being put in internment camps but i didn't know about speech being limited during ww2. Someone according to the movie made a cartoon with Patton with a swastika after he slapped that kid. I don't think the cartoonist was jailed.

Ask yourself this: Which anti-American, anti-democracy group do you know of that got much play? Patton was a target of the media, btw, because he couldn't keep his mouth shut. American commies and Nazis shut the hell up or got locked up.

Churchill therefore FDR knew what was happening to the Jews as early as 42. The general public didn't know until too many troops knew and couldn't be as controlled. FDR had the media locked down and anything that went against his admin went against the war and got investigated.

Then there's being an otherwise fit male and not in the military or working for the government. Better have a good story otherwise you got treated like a leper by everyone. Neighbors spied on neighbors for signs of "unAmerican activity".

Doesn't take much to imagine where power like that would go with this troll in the WH and his weaponized bureaucracy.

[icansayit]

In order for the President or Congress to activate RESERVES.
I believe I have read THERE MUST BE A NATIONAL EMERGENCY.
WHEN DID THE UKRAINEbecome a National Emergency??
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2021-title10/pdf/USCODE-2021-title10-subtitleE-partII-chap1209-sec12302.pdfhttps://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2021-title10/pdf/USCODE-2021-title10-subtitleE-partII-chap1209-sec12302.pdf

[Black Diamond]

In order for the President or Congress to activate RESERVES.
I believe I have read THERE MUST BE A NATIONAL EMERGENCY.
WHEN DID THE UKRAINEbecome a National Emergency??
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2021-title10/pdf/USCODE-2021-title10-subtitleE-partII-chap1209-sec12302.pdf

They will do a great job of lying and saying it is one

[Gunny]

In order for the President or Congress to activate RESERVES.
I believe I have read THERE MUST BE A NATIONAL EMERGENCY.
WHEN DID THE UKRAINEbecome a National Emergency??
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2021-title10/pdf/USCODE-2021-title10-subtitleE-partII-chap1209-sec12302.pdfhttps://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2021-title10/pdf/USCODE-2021-title10-subtitleE-partII-chap1209-sec12302.pdf

When did this Admin ever read and/or abide by law? Doesn't Biden have an emergency declared about something? Isn't that how he was trying to erase student loans?