Not 'Me Tooism' Rather Commonsense-Sorry To Offend You

[Kathianne]

Couldn't say it better myself, (I have many times):


https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/08/08/the-shared-delusions-of-republicans-and-democrats-n569697


The shared delusions of Republicans and DemocratsDAVID STROM 8:01 AM on August 08, 2023

The shared delusions of Republicans and Democrats
AP Photo/Alexandru Dobre
Well, here goes. I plan to offend everybody, so I might as well dive in.


The other day I was reading yet another defense of Joe Biden, not long after reading a piece praising Donald Trump, and I wanted to scream. Everything I read made my head spin.


In principle I can understand why partisans of either politician might be inclined to support them, or even feel very loyal to them. I can understand this somewhat more for Trump than for Biden, not because I have any special admiration for Trump, but rather for the simple reason that Trump is still sentient while Biden appears to suffering from incipient dementia and failing health.


Trump inspires loyalty because he has the right enemies, and given how desperately many Republicans want to bitch slap (metaphorically) the elite who hate Trump so much, there is a natural tendency to rally around the guy. Add to that the additional fact that the Biden Administration is abusing its power and the passions get aroused.


Biden as a person doesn’t inspire much passion, but no president in decades has pushed through as much Leftist legislation as Biden, and he actually does (metaphorically) bitch slap the Republicans–to the point of working to put Trump in jail. Biden may not be lovable, but he is reliably Leftist and that apparently is enough. He makes Obama’s presidency look moderate.


All right, whatever. If your fondest desire is to express your political Id, I can see the attraction of both to their partisans.


But looking at the two politicians purely from the perspective of their basic humanity and decency, I recoil at how many people have decided to be blind to and insistently deny their manifest flaws as human beings and as Chief Executives of the United States.


Not to put too fine a point on it, but both are bad people. And not just bad people personally, but bad people in a way that makes America worse.


Biden is a profoundly stupid and venal man who has an unerring ability to make the wrong choices, say the wrong thing, and get America into trouble. He is perhaps the only person stupid enough to vote against the first Iraq war, which turned out as well as it could have, and then vote for the second Iraq war, which turned out as badly as it could have. His precipitate decision to exit Afghanistan with no plan was a disaster, and his subsequent insistence that it went well shows he learned nothing.


In fact, his whole political career shows he has always been incapable of learning, and that he doesn’t care. He is in it for the money and power.


As Barack Obama warned, never underestimate Joe’s ability to f*ck things up.


His venality has always been in the background, but over the past few years he has sacrificed the integrity of the justice system in order to cover up and justify his influence peddling scheme, and of course as a tool to go after his political enemies all the way from Trump to random parents at school board meetings. He funnels money into his family’s coffers and uses government powers to cover that up.


Yet despite all this being obviously true, his defenders keep on insisting that there is nothing to see here. Joe is an amazing president, a terrific father who loves his children so much that he showers with his daughter and sells out the country for his son, and is a genius at foreign policy. There is zero evidence (except all the obvious evidence) that he has done anything wrong, and Republicans are just jealous of his success.


WTF? Is there no depth of depravity you won’t defend and hold up for admiration?


Right-wingers have a similar problem with not just Trump but other anti-establishment figures like Andrew Tate. Both are execrable human beings, yet they are both treated by some as persecuted paragons of virtue. The Trump/Jesus memes make me want to puke.


I grant that Trump is being persecuted, and that we all should be outraged at how he and others in his orbit have been treated.


But that doesn’t mean that he is a good guy. It just means he is hated by the right people and they are abusing their power. Absolutely agreed. Trump didn’t try to overthrow the government, but his behavior since January 2021 has been disgusting. He should have pushed reform to prevent shenanigans, not grievance for political gain.


Trump is still a bad guy himself. Not bad in the way the Left portrays him. He isn’t a fascist bent on seizing power or anything so politically grand.


He is, instead, a narcissist with uncontrolled appetites, a mean streak a mile wide and a mile deep, and is willing to sacrifice his political allies in order to “win” at any cost.


While his enemies will sacrifice any norm and even break the law to get him, you have to admit he makes it easy. He attacks Republicans at least as harshly–and these days far more commonly–than he attacks Democrats. And he will tell lies about his fellow Republicans at the drop of a hat.


He treats people badly, can’t hire people worth a damn, will listen to terrible advice from people like Deborah Birx and Anthony Fauci, and praises Gavin Newsom, Charlie Crist, and Stacey Abrams.


Yet a large chunk of Republicans will defend him to the death and swallow his lies about Governors Kemp, DeSantis, and Glenn Youngkin without blinking. If these guys are RINOs and Lindsey Graham isn’t, what world are you living in? His campaign spent a week or two implying that DeSantis was a drag queen because he wore cowboy boots (high heels!).


The Trumpophiles have been annoying me forever, and did so even when I discovered that Trump was actually a pretty good president despite his flaws as a person. The unwavering support of even his worst behaviors reminded me of Clinton’s defenders who debased themselves on a daily basis.


The sudden embrace of Andrew Tate is utterly mystifying to me. Whether he is guilty as charged or not, he is an awful human being. If he didn’t defraud and rape women (I have no idea), he proudly declared his sexual abuse of them for profit. Anybody who would defend the things he regularly bragged of…I just don’t understand. He has made a fortune turning women into porn stars. How is this admirable?


So what if he is hated by all the “right” people? That doesn’t make him defensible. His who shtick is bragging about treating women like dirt. Can’t we all agree that this is, in fact, despicable behavior?


I am definitely not on team Tate.


Yet there he is on Tucker Carlson bloviating about manhood as if he is a good man. He is as sincere as Joe Biden is when he declares his policies are good for the economy, or Jennifer Granholm is when she assures us that our gas stoves are safe from government. These are lies and bad faith. Andrew Tate says a lot of things that are true about the decline of masculinity–and then embraces an equally perverse view of masculinity as exploiting the weak.


Yuck.


We shouldn’t judge people simply based upon who dislikes them. This is surrendering your moral autonomy to the people whom you should trust least in moral judgments. There are times when everybody should be able to agree, or at least when your judgment overlaps with that of your most hated political opponents.


Our allegiance should be to the good, the true, and the beautiful, even if and when that means we agree with people we dislike.


More and more partisans seem to have lost the ability to do that. We dislike the other “side” so much that we will sacrifice our values just to “own” them. We look for the good in those whom the other side hates.


We shouldn’t.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Couldn't say it better myself, (I have many times):


https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/08/08/the-shared-delusions-of-republicans-and-democrats-n569697

The question boiled down to which one is the--LEAST--bad.
To me least bad is Trump. Others may think it is HERR BIDEN...
I say each to his own. But even this article makes Biden look worse, imho.--Tyr

[AHZ]

Couldn't say it better myself, (I have many times):


https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/08/08/the-shared-delusions-of-republicans-and-democrats-n569697


it's called "bothesidesism". if you can't see the differences here then you ain't black.

Andrew Tate is awesome btw.

You could learn a lot about life from him, btw.

[Kathianne]

The question boiled down to which one is the--LEAST--bad.
To me least bad is Trump. Others may think it is HERR BIDEN...
I say each to his own. But even this article makes Biden look worse, imho.--Tyr

We should demand better.

[revelarts]

it's called "bothesidesism". if you can't see the differences here then you ain't black.
Andrew Tate is awesome btw.
You could learn a lot about life from him, btw.

It's called being honest.

Biden sniffs and rubs up children. FACT
Trump walks in on Teen Beauty Pageant dressing rooms. FACT

both are scummy.
That's just being honest.

And it doesn't diminish the fact that Biden has MORE bad policy takes than Trump.
And it doesn't help to pretend that Trump is some kind of model of virtues, or model of a 'Real American'.

[fj1200]

The question boiled down to which one is the--LEAST--bad.
To me least bad is Trump. Others may think it is HERR BIDEN...
I say each to his own. But even this article makes Biden look worse, imho.--Tyr

At this point it's not either or. We can, and should, demand better. trump could be made to go away right now; all it takes is integrity.

[Gunny]

Add me to the demand better list.

[AHZ]

It's called being honest.

Biden sniffs and rubs up children. FACT
Trump walks in on Teen Beauty Pageant dressing rooms. FACT

both are scummy.
That's just being honest.

And it doesn't diminish the fact that Biden has MORE bad policy takes than Trump.
And it doesn't help to pretend that Trump is some kind of model of virtues, or model of a 'Real American'.


no. it's the malignant bothesidesism of uniparty dysfunctional deception.

there is a clear superior side here, if you're not a globalist marxist traitor to humanity.

and you agree.

quit trying to butter up gunny and kathianne.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

We should demand better.
Yes we should but the ones that demand better are punished, vilified and often beaten.
And those that attack them are praised. Evil wins..--Tyr

[AHZ]

Add me to the demand better list.
it's very similar to nagging wife syndrome.

[Gunny]

Yes we should but the ones that demand better are punished, vilified and often beaten.
And those that attack them are praised. Evil wins..--TyrThe greatest threat from using the enemy's tactics is not from the enemy, it's becoming the enemy.

[revelarts]

no. it's the malignant bothesidesism of uniparty dysfunctional deception.
truth is not a deception.
Here's the thing, the 'powers that be' can use THE TRUTH just as well as Lies to crush plans & people it doesn't like.
IF the plans or people are NEARLY as corrupt as the 'powers that be'.

Do you approve of Trump going into TEEN Beaty pageant dressing rooms?
Yes or No?
Is it SCUMMY? if not outright Criminal?
If one of your neighbors did it, what would you want done or do?
Trump has got a HUGE amount of flaws for ANYone to exploit.
That's just sad reality.




there is a clear superior side here, if you're not a globalist marxist traitor to humanity.
Here's the weird thing in one breath you say it's "UniParty" in the next you say there's a "superior side".

Trump supported Hillary and the Dems before he didn't.
He doesn't seem to have "a side".

there's no doubt he did less for the globalist cause than most of the past establishment presidents.
Well, Except he rushed a bunch of crap vaccines on the US population. Which he & the globalist still support.
Trump is no George Washington or Lincoln AHZ.

I'll support good policy, anti-globalist policies and I don't care WHO they are or what label they have.
But I'm not going to pretend that Trump is some LAST KEY to freedom who should not be spoken against like Mohamed.

I try to be an equal opportunity truth teller.
If a person has done well upholding the constitution, Anti-war/Anti-expansionist, pro national sovereignty, pro Life, faith & freedom I'll say so.
If they crapped the bed, I say so.
And I don't pretend that it doesn't stink. Or refuse to mention that it still needs a cleaning from the LAST time.


I'm 100% anti globalist, but Frankly I don't think Trump really knows what that is.

[AHZ]

truth is not a deception.
Here's the thing, the 'powers that be' can use THE TRUTH just as well as Lies to crush plans & people it doesn't like.
IF the plans or people are NEARLY as corrupt as the 'powers that be'.

Do you approve of Trump going in TEEN Beaty pageant dressing rooms?
Yes or No?
Is it SCUMMY? if not not outright Criminal?
If one of your neighbors did it, what would you want done or do?
Trump has got a HUGE amount of flaws for ANYone to exploit.
That's just sad reality.



Here's the weird thing in one breath you say it's "UniParty" in the next you say there's a "superior side".

Trump supported Hillary and the Dems before he didn't.
He doesn't seem to have "a side".

there's no doubt he did less for the globalist cause than most of the past establishment presidents.
Well, Except he rushed a bunch of crap vaccines on the US population. Which he & the globalist still support.
Trump is no George Washington or Lincoln AHZ.

I'll support good policy, anti-globalist policies and I don't care WHO they are or what label they have.
But I'm not going to pretend that Trump is some LAST KEY to freedom who should not be spoken against like Mohamed.

I try to be an equal opportunity truth teller.
If a person has done well upholding the constitution, Anti-war/Anti-expansionist, pro national sovereignty, pro Life, faith & freedom I'll say so.
If they crapped the bed, I say so.
And I don't pretend that it doesn't stink. Or refuse to mention that it still needs a cleaning from the LAST time.


I'm 100% anti globalist, but Frankly I don't think Trump really knows what that is.
it's not true that trump is this awful violent revolutionary figure.

jan 6 is bs.

document gate is bs.

the both sidesism is not fact based, but an attempt by romney republicans to still feel like they run shit.

the things you mention are minor.

You're doing what so many republicans do to lose, you're trying to please retarded romney republicans or some chick in your life who's a retarded bimbo.

trump knows what globalism is and he knows the key to defeating it is tariffs.

its simple.

[Kathianne]

Just came across this, not familiar with the site, though it doesn't seem liberal by looking at sidebars:

https://www.based-politics.com/2023/08/23/donald-trumps-latest-policy-proposal-is-batshit-insane/


Donald Trump’s latest policy proposal is batshit insaneSorry, but there’s no polite way to put it.


OpinionEconomicsPolitics


US Department of Agriculture/Creative Commons
Brad Polumbo
August 23, 2023


One of Donald Trump’s signature achievements as president was a successful tax cut that slashed taxes for most Americans. But the former president is now advocating for the largest tax hike since 1968.


That’s right: Trump is promoting a new plan for a $330 billion tax hike on American consumers, via a 10% “tariff” on all imported goods from all countries.


“When companies come in and they dump their products in the United States, they should pay, automatically, let’s say a 10 percent tax,” Trump said during a recent Fox Business interview. “I do like the 10 percent for everybody.”


In Trump’s telling, this 10% uniform tariff would put up a “ring around the U.S. economy.”


Sorry, but there’s no polite way to put it: This policy proposal is batshit insane, and would wreak economic destruction at a time when Americans can least afford it.


Families are already facing high prices at the grocery store and on almost all their other essential expenses. And so, so many of the things Americans buy on a regular basis are either imported or produced by companies that rely on imported materials. They would all go up significantly in price very quickly were this lunatic plan ever enacted.


Of course, the supposed goal of this kind of protectionist policy is to help American companies. Yet whatever jobs would be “protected” in domestic industries by these tariffs would be far, far outweighed by all the jobs lost in industries that rely on imports which would surge in price. As a result, the nonpartisan Tax Foundation estimates that Trump’s plan, if enacted, would destroy 550,000 American jobs.


Higher prices and fewer jobs. Is that really what “Make America Great Again” means?


Even former Trump officials have criticized this idea.


“A tariff of that scope and size would impose a massive tax on the folks who it intends to help,” said economist Paul Winfree, who served in the Trump administration. “It would get passed along through higher prices at a time when the Federal Reserve has had difficulty limiting inflation.”


The plan was described as “lunacy” and “horrifying” by Peterson Institute for International Economics President Adam Posen. He further explained that it would be a boon to corrupt lobbying — you know, that “swamp” Trump (often accurately) rails against — because companies with the best lobbyists would immediately fight for special exemptions.

Republicans are supposed to support low taxes and free markets, not tax hikes and crony capitalism. But Trump’s latest plan is a betrayal of every principle that conservative economic policy is supposed to stand for.

[Kathianne]

I was right, not a fluke:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-10-percent-tariffs-trade-war-benjamin-harrison-69ba4c2a?st=z0s0dh730bdia6q&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


OPINIONREVIEW & OUTLOOK
Trump Courts a Global Trade War
He promises a new 10% border tax on anything made abroad.
By The Editorial Board
Aug. 23, 2023 6:46 pm ET


Donald Trump exaggerates about many things, but on economic policy his record is that he means what he says, for better or worse. His leading message for a second term these days is that Americans should be prepared to pay more for all kinds of goods because he plans to impose a 10% tariff on all foreign goods sold in America.




“To bring tens of thousands more manufacturing jobs back to South Carolina, I will impose a border tariff on all foreign-made goods,” he said recently in Columbia. “So if they want to sell into our country and if they want to take our jobs by doing that, we’re going to have a tax that’s going to be a ‘privilege’ tax.”


Mr. Trump is also pitching a universal reciprocal tariff that would see the U.S. impose tariff rates on foreign goods equivalent to what the exporting country charges on goods from the U.S. He claims to have history on his side, appealing to the 1890 McKinley tariff that imposed some of the highest tariff rates in U.S. history and empowered President Benjamin Harrison to impose tariffs on a reciprocal basis.


This is worth taking literally and seriously because Mr. Trump meant what he said about tariffs when he ran for President in 2016. He imposed taxes on imports ranging from steel and aluminum to solar panels and washing machines, affecting imports worth hundreds of billions of dollars when the border taxes were implemented.

Protectionists pitch tariffs as a tax on other countries, but American consumers pay the price—a total of $80 billion during Mr. Trump’s term, according to a Tax Foundation analysis. This cost the U.S. 166,000 full-time-equivalent jobs, the Tax Foundation says, and the Trump trade tax wiped out roughly 12% of the economic benefit of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.


What about the impact on jobs? Before Covid-19 hit, U.S. employment in manufacturing rose 1.8%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, as the civilian workforce overall grew 2.7%. That’s hardly an unusual jobs increase, and it could as easily be attributed to the corporate tax cut that caused companies to repatriate hundreds of billions of dollars in overseas cash. Deregulation also helped.


An analysis of the steel tariffs estimated an economic price of $900,000 for each job created. Because more U.S. companies buy metal than sell it, another study found increased steel prices cut manufacturing employment by 75,000.


The trade deficit isn’t a useful measure of economic performance, but Mr. Trump claims it is. In his first year in office, the U.S. imported $517 billion more than it exported in goods and services, according to data from the Census Bureau. That increased to $653 billion in 2020, and this relationship holds after adjusting for inflation. President Biden has continued Mr. Trump’s tariff policies, even as the trade deficit hit a record of $951 billion in 2022.

A new universal tariff would be more of the same, and then some. The last U.S. President to entertain a trade idea this radical was Herbert Hoover in 1930 with the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. That sweeping border tax triggered global retaliation that shrank world trade and contributed to what became the Great Depression. The Republican Party’s reputation for economic management didn’t recover for 50 years.


Mr. Trump also seems to forget we’re not in the 1980s anymore and Japan and West Germany aren’t the main economic rivals. China is. Trump tariffs aimed at Japan and the European Union have made it harder to rally allies for sensible enforcement when Chinese subsidies, import restrictions or intellectual-property theft bend global trading rules.


The risk for the U.S. economy is that the 2024 ballot won’t have any candidate who understands how trade boosts prosperity, and how trade with allies can make it easier to manage competitors. The Biden Administration has failed to reverse most of the Trump tariffs, and the Inflation Reduction Act came larded with trade-distorting subsidies that are sparking a trade war with the European Union.


President Biden’s abdication on trade includes a refusal to negotiate any new trade deals, even with an ally such as post-Brexit Britain that wants and needs one. His trade rep, Katherine Tai, doesn’t seem to do much except explain why she can’t do much.


***
By the way, Mr. Trump for years has cited the McKinley tariffs but he appears never to have read what happened after those 1890 charges came into effect. Voters rebelled at the higher prices they were forced to pay, and Republicans were wiped out by free-trading Democrats in the 1890 midterm. Democrats under President Grover Cleveland in 1894 partially reversed the tariffs to dig the U.S. out of a recession.


Economic historians now believe those tariffs had little effect on boosting America’s astounding economic growth in that era, which was driven by industries not covered by the tariffs. As for McKinley, who pushed for his tariffs from the House of Representatives, he did become President in 1896—by campaigning in favor of the gold standard, a proxy for a stable value for money, against populist easy-money Democrat William Jennings Bryan.

Free trade isn’t popular in our dirigiste economic era, in part because our political leaders are afraid to defend it. The Trump tariff threat is all too real if he wins in 2024.







It's just like listening to fj school AHZ. ;)

[icansayit]

Is anyone reading this smart enough to tell us all. HOW ELSE will we be able to pay down
that THIRTY-ONE TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT?

Will the Fed just go to the makers of MONOPOLY MONEY, and just PRINT MORE USELESS BUCKS?

By the way. Those nations Trump has said he wants a TRADE TAX on....PAY NO AMERICAN TAXES ON THEIR PRODUCTS.

But...those same nations TAX US....AND WE HAVE TO PAY IT.
Anyone who doubts what I have said here. Needs to learn the TRUTH.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Is anyone reading this smart enough to tell us all. HOW ELSE will we be able to pay down
that THIRTY-ONE TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT?

Will the Fed just go to the makers of MONOPOLY MONEY, and just PRINT MORE USELESS BUCKS?

By the way. Those nations Trump has said he wants a TRADE TAX on....PAY NO AMERICAN TAXES ON THEIR PRODUCTS.

But...those same nations TAX US....AND WE HAVE TO PAY IT.
Anyone who doubts what I have said here. Needs to learn the TRUTH.

There has to be more to the plan than what is listed as now it is just a proposal. Trump may be planning a cut on income taxes with it, cut on gas prices, etc...
Who knows?

And yes there is that rather serious matter of our national debt. Or do we default start a wordwide crash like in 1929.?

We should remember while other nations have played this nation for a fool in trade and other things, Trump played hardball when he came in and changed that.
Now the world governments are all for a new PRESIDENT like Biden-one they can ffkk over easily and make billions doing so.
Media is not been covering what all the LEFTIST/LIBERAL/COMMUNIST Biden team has done , have they?--Tyr

[fj1200]

I was right, not a fluke:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-10-percent-tariffs-trade-war-benjamin-harrison-69ba4c2a?st=z0s0dh730bdia6q&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink



It's just like listening to fj school AHZ. ;)

If only my work were done here. ;)


There has to be more to the plan than what is listed as now it is just a proposal. Trump may be planning a cut on income taxes with it, cut on gas prices, etc...
Who knows?

And yes there is that rather serious matter of our national debt. Or do we default start a wordwide crash like in 1929.?

We should remember while other nations have played this nation for a fool in trade and other things, Trump played hardball when he came in and changed that.
Now the world governments are all for a new PRESIDENT like Biden-one they can ffkk over easily and make billions doing so.
Media is not been covering what all the LEFTIST/LIBERAL/COMMUNIST Biden team has done , have they?--Tyr

The worldwide crash was caused by tariffs and protectionism. trump's protectionist policies were pretty much a failure.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If only my work were done here. ;)



The worldwide crash was caused by tariffs and protectionism. trump's protectionist policies were pretty much a failure.
I disagree but I will not debate it.--Tyr

[fj1200]

I disagree but I will not debate it.--Tyr

Smart choice.

[Gunny]

I was right, not a fluke:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-10-percent-tariffs-trade-war-benjamin-harrison-69ba4c2a?st=z0s0dh730bdia6q&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink



It's just like listening to fj school AHZ. ;)Good thing I looked twice. I was about to post something similar:laugh:

[AHZ]

If only my work were done here. ;)



The worldwide crash was caused by tariffs and protectionism. trump's protectionist policies were pretty much a failure.



there is no real concensus on what caused the the great depression.

something about the gold reserves of foreign nations becoming depleted?

seems like globalist revisionist nonsense, which is a real ting.

I know right now with our sovereignty and self reliance in question, reclaiming production and jobs with tariffs is a good idea.

[AHZ]

oh and gunny.

if our fiat dollar is supported by our domestic production, then isn't sending all the production away automatically destructive of the currency?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Smart choice.

Yes, you are correct it is a smart choice I made. You have your stand on it and I have mine. Plus, I know that you will not budge no matter what I say.
So good luck with your choice..--Tyr

[fj1200]

there is no real concensus on what caused the the great depression.

something about the gold reserves of foreign nations becoming depleted?

seems like globalist revisionist nonsense, which is a real ting.

I know right now with our sovereignty and self reliance in question, reclaiming production and jobs with tariffs is a good idea.

People who study monetary policy blame monetary policy. People who hate capitalism blame capitalism. People who don't understand gold reserves blame gold reserves. People who understand what protectionism (tariffs and trade wars), tax increases, increased government intervention, etc. can do to an economy blame tariffs. tax increases, and increased government intervention.


Yes, you are correct it is a smart choice I made. You have your stand on it and I have mine. Plus, I know that you will not budge no matter what I say.
So good luck with your choice..--Tyr

Mine is backed by the reality of the benefits of free trade. That's why you won't debate and best that you not.

[AHZ]

People who study monetary policy blame monetary policy. People who hate capitalism blame capitalism. People who don't understand gold reserves blame gold reserves. People who understand what protectionism (tariffs and trade wars), tax increases, increased government intervention, etc. can do to an economy blame tariffs. tax increases, and increased government intervention.



Mine is backed by the reality of the benefits of free trade. That's why you won't debate and best that you not.


the benefits of free trade are only benefits up to a certain point for some parties. government puts the curbs on excesses.

it's always beneficial for shipping companies and multinational corporations howerver.

does free trade include busting up monopolies in your book?

[fj1200]

the benefits of free trade are only benefits up to a certain point for some parties. government puts the curbs on excesses.

it's always beneficial for shipping companies and multinational corporations howerver.

does free trade include busting up monopolies in your book?

You say things like you think that they have merit but generally do not. You're a populist and you say populist things; which means that they don't really mean anything but you think they sound smart.

Free trade =/= monopolies.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

People who study monetary policy blame monetary policy. People who hate capitalism blame capitalism. People who don't understand gold reserves blame gold reserves. People who understand what protectionism (tariffs and trade wars), tax increases, increased government intervention, etc. can do to an economy blame tariffs. tax increases, and increased government intervention.



Mine is backed by the reality of the benefits of free trade. That's why you won't debate and best that you not.

OK, Jethro, have it your way.
I never was much for arguing with a fence post, ok? -Tyr

[fj1200]

OK, Jethro, have it your way.
I never was much for arguing with a fence post, ok? -Tyr

I don't know what that means other than a fence post having more knowledge of the benefits of free trade than you. :dunno:

[icansayit]

OK, Jethro, have it your way.
I never was much for arguing with a fence post, ok? -Tyr

Let Jethro have his self-induced always smarter than everyone else moment.
When someone knows everything about everything. Let them lavish in their fantasy.
Jethro constantly proves how much the impersonations of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi
work so well for him. 15 MINUTES are wasting away.

[AHZ]

You say things like you think that they have merit but generally do not. You're a populist and you say populist things; which means that they don't really mean anything but you think they sound smart.

Free trade =/= monopolies.

objection. non-responsive.

[fj1200]

objection. non-responsive.

Funny. Non-responsive describes most of your posts here.

[AHZ]

Funny. Non-responsive describes most of your posts here.


you have yet to explain why it's smart to send all the jobs away.

thats some real 'greater good' mass pychosis bs.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Funny. Non-responsive describes most of your posts here.

His posts today are far better. They are not bullcrap because you have a fever and hard on for your philosophy.
Most of his coherent posts have a bit of truth in them , imho.
Some even have a damn lot of truth in them.--Tyr

[Kathianne]

His posts today are far better. They are not bullcrap because you have a fever and hard on for your philosophy.
Most of his coherent posts have a bit of truth in them , imho.
Some even have a damn lot of truth in them.--Tyr

Not really. Most are just regurgitating what he's heard from Trump or Trump minions. He seems nearly wedded to a flat earth type of belief system.

[AHZ]

Not really. Most are just regurgitating what he's heard from Trump or Trump minions. He seems nearly wedded to a flat earth type of belief system.

do I remind you of obama and buttegieg?

[AHZ]

His posts today are far better. They are not bullcrap because you have a fever and hard on for your philosophy.
Most of his coherent posts have a bit of truth in them , imho.
Some even have a damn lot of truth in them.--Tyr


be careful brother, you're gonna get lumped in with the "troublemakers".

[Kathianne]

be careful brother, you're gonna get lumped in with the "troublemakers".
No he's not. I consider him a friend and a very good person. He does not attack others, certainly not what he may perceive as their 'weaknesses.' He's a good person-whether I agree with him or not.

[AHZ]

No he's not. I consider him a friend and a very good person. He does not attack others, certainly not what he may perceive as their 'weaknesses.' He's a good person-whether I agree with him or not.


you know i only meant old in reference to laughing at jesus, back in the day.

of course he's not 2000 years old.

i wasn't even thinking about him being actually old. he's young as far aim concerned.

i only coddle old people.

he's got the emotional age of a very young 11 yr old, if that helps.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Not really. Most are just regurgitating what he's heard from Trump or Trump minions. He seems nearly wedded to a flat earth type of belief system.
My friend, many posts are regurgitated words that come from others.
If the criticisms are words from others that are repeated, then that in itself does not make those words untrue, imho.
We should applaud when he is far more civil, even if we disagree with this statement, imho. Tyr

[AHZ]

My friend, many posts are regurgitated words that come from others.
If the criticisms are words from others that are repeated, then that in itself does not make those words untrue, imho.
We should applaud when he is far more civil, even if we disagree with this statement, imho. Tyr


yes to be honest, i need remedial care and attention.

i'm diseased.

i'm handi-crippled.

:dance::clap::dance::clap::dance::clap:

[Kathianne]

My friend, many posts are regurgitated words that come from others.
If the criticisms are words from others that are repeated, then that in itself does not make those words untrue, imho.
We should applaud when he is far more civil, even if we disagree with this statement, imho. Tyr

I disagree with your perception of this poster, we are both entitled to our opinions. From my POV, he's just a nasty Trump protagonist. We have many here that truly like and respect Trump, but none are denigrating others who dare to disagree. He really has nothing of substance to promote Trump with-I could probably round up a much better cause of voting for the man if I chose based on his actions as President-all he does is Oooooo Tariffs! Bad, bad Ukraine! Biden sucks! More tariffs! China bad!

That's about it.

Now if someone says, 'he has some flaws, very bad flaws...' that person gets, 'You are fat, ugly, and old. Tell us why you want all US jobs sent elsewhere? Why don't you go to China?'

Not my idea of debate, even discussion.

[fj1200]

His posts today are far better. They are not bullcrap because you have a fever and hard on for your philosophy.
Most of his coherent posts have a bit of truth in them , imho.
Some even have a damn lot of truth in them.--Tyr

It's sad that you believe that. He can barely put coherent thoughts together and repeats the same ridiculous line.

Stay tuned...

[fj1200]

you have yet to explain why it's smart to send all the jobs away.

thats some real 'greater good' mass pychosis bs.

You are a one-trick pony and it's not even a good trick.

Exactly who has proposed to "send all the jobs away"?

[AHZ]

I disagree with your perception of this poster, we are both entitled to our opinions. From my POV, he's just a nasty Trump protagonist. We have many here that truly like and respect Trump, but none are denigrating others who dare to disagree. He really has nothing of substance to promote Trump with-I could probably round up a much better cause of voting for the man if I chose based on his actions as President-all he does is Oooooo Tariffs! Bad, bad Ukraine! Biden sucks! More tariffs! China bad!

That's about it.

Now if someone says, 'he has some flaws, very bad flaws...' that person gets, 'You are fat, ugly, and old. Tell us why you want all US jobs sent elsewhere? Why don't you go to China?'

Not my idea of debate, even discussion.



I never said you should go to china. keep it factual, handy dandy.

you've distilled america first quite nicely though.

we have room for you here in the light of truth, on the side of goodness.

consider repentance and reformation.

there is truth.

there is forgiveness.

I demand in the name of jesus, demon, tell me your name.

the power of christ compels you.

the power of christ compels you.

[icansayit]

Double-speak. Sounds more like unhappy children who simply can't get their way...all the time.
I would like to have someone tell me
"WHO Left FJ in charge of deciding anyone else's opinions, or intelligence?"

The hypocrisy of preaching "You have the right to...", while using the belittling patronizing accusations
that are the exact reverse...in reverse...of all that has been said by the KNOW IT ALL who shall remain
nameless...unless always agreed with.

So...here's my suggestion for the perpetually offended, smarter than the average Bear.
https://icansayit.com/icsi/pre school grads.png

[fj1200]

^You know you're on a debate site don't you?

[Kathianne]

^You know you're on a debate site don't you?

Shhh. It's easier than responding on points.

[icansayit]

^You know you're on a debate site don't you?

Answer my question, then tell me again.

[fj1200]

^ I don't know what your question is but I'm sure I disagree with the premise.

[AHZ]

You are a one-trick pony and it's not even a good trick.

Exactly who has proposed to "send all the jobs away"?


globalists apparently see no problem with it happening due to forces of globalization, forces like allowing de facto slave labor on the international labor market.

[fj1200]

globalists apparently see no problem with it happening due to forces of globalization, forces like allowing de facto slave labor on the international labor market.

Objection! Non-responsive.

Sustained! :gavel:

[Kathianne]

Objection! Non-responsive.

Sustained! :gavel:
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[AHZ]

Objection! Non-responsive.

Sustained! :gavel:


he asked me who wants to send the jobs away. the answer is globalists.

I ask court recorder to read the record.

I reclaim my time.

[fj1200]

he asked me who wants to send the jobs away. the answer is globalists.

I ask court recorder to read the record.

I reclaim my time.

"Who exactly?" You offered generalities when the issue is who exactly in the US has proposed "sending all the jobs away?"

[Kathianne]

"Who exactly?" You offered generalities when the issue is who exactly in the US has proposed "sending all the jobs away?"

Globalists! For crying out loud!

[AHZ]

"Who exactly?" You offered generalities when the issue is who exactly in the US has proposed "sending all the jobs away?"


it's a whole cadre of individuals within corporations, government, media, and academia. and "think tanks".

and my position is actually that they're fine with it. not that they actively want it.

[Kathianne]

it's a whole cadre of individuals within corporations, government, media, and academia. and "think tanks".

and my position is actually that they're fine with it. not that they actively want it.

Who is doing the sending and why are the whole cadre fine with it, but not actively wanting it? Sounds like an unknown unknown.

[fj1200]

it's a whole cadre of individuals within corporations, government, media, and academia. and "think tanks".

and my position is actually that they're fine with it. not that they actively want it.

So you don't really have anything then. A quote or two would be a good start.

I think the groups you trot out would generally understand that it's an impossible scenario.

[AHZ]

Who is doing the sending and why are the whole cadre fine with it, but not actively wanting it? Sounds like an unknown unknown.

corporate ceo's are doing it. the cadre are fine with it because it's profitable and they don't care about other americans losing jobs.

the mystery around not wanting to SAY they want it is because the optics of that statement are bad.

This is the perfect post.

[Kathianne]

So you don't really have anything then. A quote or two would be a good start.

I think the groups you trot out would generally understand that it's an impossible scenario.

Nothing to check, no one to get a handle on. Just 'Globalists!'

[icansayit]

^ I don't know what your question is but I'm sure I disagree with the premise.


I thought you were that way. Thanks for proving it.

You'd disagree if I lied and said you and Kathianne that were smart.

[Kathianne]

corporate ceo's are doing it. the cadre are fine with it because it's profitable and they don't care about other americans losing jobs.

the mystery around not wanting to SAY they want it is because the optics of that statement are bad.

This is the perfect post.
Did Trump tell you to say that last line or is that how you brown nose him?

[AHZ]

So you don't really have anything then. A quote or two would be a good start.

I think the groups you trot out would generally understand that it's an impossible scenario.



whats an impossible scenario?

[AHZ]

Did Trump tell you to say that last line or is that how you brown nose him?


It's how I explain my correspondence.

You're fired!

[AHZ]

we're all friends here.

why did james comey go confess to trump on day 1?

i cant't get my mind around it.

was he tipping the scale right from the beginning.

should it be comey for president?

[fj1200]

whats an impossible scenario?

An impossible scenario. Having no jobs left. No jobs left means no money. No money means no purchasing power. No purchasing power means no goods bought. No goods bought means no money for corporations, government, media, academia, think tanks...

Even they know you're not very good at this.

[AHZ]

An impossible scenario. Having no jobs left. No jobs left means no money. No money means no purchasing power. No purchasing power means no goods bought. No goods bought means no money for corporations, government, media, academia, think tanks...

Even they know you're not very good at this.


but with fiat money you can just keep funding people to buy foreign crap, until all the jobs are actually gone.

could that happen?

[fj1200]

I thought you were that way. Thanks for proving it.

You'd disagree if I lied and said you and Kathianne that were smart.

That would be a lie. She's far smarter than me. Especially in sentence structure. ;)

[fj1200]

but with fiat money you can just keep funding people to buy foreign crap, until all the jobs are actually gone.

could that happen?

No. Because...


An impossible scenario. Having no jobs left. No jobs left means no money. No money means no purchasing power. No purchasing power means no goods bought. No goods bought means no money for corporations, government, media, academia, think tanks...

Even they know you're not very good at this.

Seriously. Thomas Sowell wrote a pretty good book about this. Among other books of his.

[Kathianne]

That would be a lie. She's far smarter than me. Especially in sentence structure. ;)
By Jove, I think he edited that post just to throw me in. He has a thing for me. ;)

[AHZ]

No. Because...



Seriously. Thomas Sowell wrote a pretty good book about this. Among other books of his.


with fiat money there can be no jobs for quite a while.

that's how globalists are destroying america.

[Kathianne]

No. Because...



Seriously. Thomas Sowell wrote a pretty good book about this. Among other books of his.

You are advising reading as a possible remedy to lack of knowledge? How quaint!

[icansayit]

Enjoy talking to yourselves. Bye now.

[AHZ]

No. Because...



Seriously. Thomas Sowell wrote a pretty good book about this. Among other books of his.


once again no explanation.

just a link to some 80's fascism salesman.

[AHZ]

what stops jobs being sent away under the purist globalist model?

it's a one phrase answer.

let's hear it all you supply side geniusocrats.

are tariffs socialism?

[AHZ]

how about banker bailouts? it's that sowell-approved?

banker bailouts is why, contrary to popular opinion, our country is fully fascist yet you people call it "free trade". And a bailout for a regular person is evil socialism.

Too big too fail necessitates others be deemed too small to succeed.


A womb to the tomb welfare state for large multinationals.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

how about banker bailouts? it's that sowell-approved?

banker bailouts is why, contrary to popular opinion, our country is fully fascist yet you people call it "free trade". And a bailout for a regular person is evil socialism.

Too big too fail necessitates others be deemed too small to succeed.


A womb to the tomb welfare state for large multinationals.

Well. that makes sense.
But our nation is not fully fascist yet. But Soros and the Dem Party that he owns is working like mad to get it there.
One or two dem presidents, it will be there, imho.
A culmination of the leftist/socialist policies the dems promote, that Roosevelt started, imho.
We have to hope that is defeated..
They hate Trump because he fights that--as he is fully American and fully Capitalist.--Tyr

[AHZ]

Well. that makes sense.
But our nation is not fully fascist yet. But Soros and the Dem Party that he owns is working like mad to get it there.
One or two dem presidents, it will be there, imho.
A culmination of the leftist/socialist policies the dems promote, that Roosevelt started, imho.
We have to hope that is defeated..
They hate Trump because he fights that--as he is fully American and fully Capitalist.--Tyr

you're right.

and trump is fixing the situation.

[fj1200]

once again no explanation.

just a link to some 80's fascism salesman.

:laugh: I didn't link to anyone but if you're calling Thomas Sowell an '80s fascist salesman then you truly are too far beyond ignorant to have any hope.

[Kathianne]

:laugh: I didn't link to anyone but if you're calling Thomas Sowell an '80s fascist salesman then you truly are too far beyond ignorant to have any hope.

Rhetorical right?

[fj1200]

how about...


Well. that makes sense.

You two are why populism is evil. On par with socialism.

Populism; Good or Bad (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?72272-Populism-Good-or-Bad)

[fj1200]

Rhetorical right?

The mind is boggled.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You two are why populism is evil. On par with socialism.

Populism; Good or Bad (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?72272-Populism-Good-or-Bad)

HAHA, WHAT STUPIDITY= ME A POPULIST???
I am a full-blown Capitalist with a heart that is beating very conservative.--Tyr

[AHZ]

:laugh: I didn't link to anyone but if you're calling Thomas Sowell an '80s fascist salesman then you truly are too far beyond ignorant to have any hope.


he's a bit of a fascist salesman. all these free marketers talk about businesses as if they're all mom and pops with no political clout.

that's not the situation at all.

cartels who have captured the state are in control.

they are the ones who bastardize free market principles into fascism.

what is the sowell position on banker bailouts?

something to be ignored?

[fj1200]

HAHA, WHAT STUPIDITY= ME A POPULIST???
I am a full-blown Capitalist with a heart that is beating very conservative.--Tyr

Yep. Populist. You might tinge it on the side of capitalism and your version of conservative.

[fj1200]

he's a bit of a fascist salesman. all these free marketers talk about businesses as if they're all mom and pops with no political clout.

that's not the situation at all.

cartels who have captured the state are in control.

they are the ones who bastardize free market principles into fascism.

what is the sowell position on banker bailouts?

something to be ignored?

You are amazingly bad at this. You seem to have no idea what his position is on things yet you're set on creating his position for him.

[icansayit]

Every time I see any post from fj. I am instantly reminded of Sleepy Joe Biden.

Same lack of mental awareness, but convinced only he is right all the time.

[fj1200]

Every time I see any post from fj. I am instantly reminded of Sleepy Joe Biden.

Same lack of mental awareness, but convinced only he is right all the time.

You sure spend a lot of time thinking about me. What do you think about the subject at hand and Thomas Sowell specifically? Is he a fascist salesman? Whatever that means.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yep. Populist. You might tinge it on the side of capitalism and your version of conservative.
You do magic tricks too, don't cha? :laugh::laugh:--Tyr

[fj1200]

You do magic tricks too, don't cha? :laugh::laugh:--Tyr

Nope. I'm not good at those. I'm good at other things. I just think that you like your share of big government offerings just as long as they're the ones you want.

[icansayit]

You sure spend a lot of time thinking about me. What do you think about the subject at hand and Thomas Sowell specifically? Is he a fascist salesman? Whatever that means.


Of course I spend a lot of time thinking about you.
It's easier than watching SLEEPY eating Ice cream, and messing up his words in public.
As for Thomas Sowell. I admire him greatly. Much more than I can say about you.

[AHZ]

You two are why populism is evil. On par with socialism.

Populism; Good or Bad (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?72272-Populism-Good-or-Bad)


populism is good.

we can get into it if you want.

[fj1200]

Of course I spend a lot of time thinking about you.
It's easier than watching SLEEPY eating Ice cream, and messing up his words in public.
As for Thomas Sowell. I admire him greatly. Much more than I can say about you.

I'm glad you think I'm better with words than the current potus; he's not good. And Sowell is much more accomplished than me. You should possibly defend him against others who apparently are ignorant as to his views. :)

[AHZ]

You are amazingly bad at this. You seem to have no idea what his position is on things yet you're set on creating his position for him.


the chicago school is keynesianism without even recognizing that care must be taken to protect the middle class, when an elite banker class can create money.

chicago school is keynesianism without the courtesy of a reach around

[fj1200]

populism is good.

we can get into it if you want.

It's evil; Though I am open to populism being evil or merely annoyance and distraction; either way it's best to be avoided as having no worth in discussion of ideology. Nevertheless, I started a thread awhile ago. I even linked to it.

[fj1200]

the chicago school is keynesianism without even recognizing that care must be taken to protect the middle class, when an elite banker class can create money.

chicago school is keynesianism without the courtesy of a reach around

Wow, in a post supposedly about Thomas Sowell you managed to not mention Thomas Sowell. :clap:

[AHZ]

It's evil; Though I am open to populism being evil or merely annoyance and distraction; either way it's best to be avoided as having no worth in discussion of ideology. Nevertheless, I started a thread awhile ago. I even linked to it.


you all base your free market zealotry on creating the most wealth for the most people right?

isn't that populism?

[AHZ]

Wow, in a post supposedly about Thomas Sowell you managed to not mention Thomas Sowell. :clap:


I broadened the discussion to his and yours purposed economic ideology, according my understanding of you.

if you're not chicago school then my bad. i thought you claimed it to be so.

[fj1200]

you all base your free market zealotry on creating the most wealth for the most people right?

isn't that populism?

No. There's a thread about it.


I broadened the discussion to his and yours purposed economic ideology, according my understanding of you.

if you're not chicago school then my bad. i thought you claimed it to be so.

There is no need to broaden the discussion. Thomas Sowell was mentioned as an author who might be able to cure your ignorance of economics.

[AHZ]

No. There's a thread about it.



There is no need to broaden the discussion. Thomas Sowell was mentioned as an author who might be able to cure your ignorance of economics.


and i said he's a 80's fascism salesman.

[fj1200]

and i said he's a 80's fascism salesman.

Your ignorance on the matter should not be the subject of this thread.

[AHZ]

No. There's a thread about it.



There is no need to broaden the discussion. Thomas Sowell was mentioned as an author who might be able to cure your ignorance of economics.


nah. i think that is populism.

populism is not necessarily socialism.

free marke people used to always talk about how free markets serve everybody best. that's a populist justification.

I guess the story needs to change in the light of reality?

have tariffs always been communism or is that new?

[fj1200]

nah. i think that is populism.

populism is not necessarily socialism.

free marke people used to always talk about how free markets serve everybody best. that's a populist justification.

I guess the story needs to change in the light of reality?

have tariffs always been communism or is that new?

So what's it like to be so far down the rabbit hole that you just make stuff up?

[AHZ]

So what's it like to be so far down the rabbit hole that you just make stuff up?


it is always claimed that free trade benefits everybody.

seems populist.

[fj1200]

it is always claimed that free trade benefits everybody.

seems populist.

Just because you say things doesn't make them true. Usually the opposite.

[AHZ]

Just because you say things doesn't make them true. Usually the opposite.


but things that are true are true.



don't you believe free trade is best for all parties?

[fj1200]

but things that are true are true.



don't you believe free trade is best for all parties?

How about you do a little research and then you might find out what things are true.

[AHZ]

How about you do a little research and then you might find out what things are true.


I already know "free trade" zealots often say it's good for everybody.

[fj1200]

I already know "free trade" zealots often say it's good for everybody.

Quote some.

[AHZ]

Quote some.


no.

do you think it's good for everybody?

[fj1200]

no.

do you think it's good for everybody?

:laugh: You're a hack.

[AHZ]

:laugh: You're a hack.


gotta link?

[fj1200]

gotta link?

That you're a hack? Sure. Start here. http://www.debatepolicy.com/index.php

[AHZ]

That you're a hack? Sure. Start here. http://www.debatepolicy.com/index.php


I knew you didn't have proof.

[fj1200]

I knew you didn't have proof.

I gave you over 1000 examples. Here's one of my favorites.


You are a one-trick pony and it's not even a good trick.

Exactly who has proposed to "send all the jobs away"?

Still waiting on the answer.

[AHZ]

I gave you over 1000 examples. Here's one of my favorites.



Still waiting on the answer.


i gave it a while back also.

globalist zealots are to blame.

you can't deal with my answers so you feign idiocy. or it's real. i'm not sure.

[fj1200]

i gave it a while back also.

globalist zealots are to blame.

you can't deal with my answers so you feign idiocy. or it's real. i'm not sure.

Nope. That wasn't it.

[AHZ]

Nope. That wasn't it.


that was and is still my answer.


maybe you're thinking of someone else.

[fj1200]

that was and is still my answer.


maybe you're thinking of someone else.

It wasn't a good one. "Who exactly...?" Generalities are the lifeblood of populists. Specifics are poison to them.

[AHZ]

It wasn't a good one. "Who exactly...?" Generalities are the lifeblood of populists. Specifics are poison to them.


it was a great answer.

it's precisely the people who fail to see a problem with sending all the jobs away.

[fj1200]

it was a great answer.

it's precisely the people who fail to see a problem with sending all the jobs away.

Not at all. You're not a good populist apologist.

[Kathianne]

AHZ has a point, his answer was the epitome of the level most populists have on important issues, especially on economics and foreign affairs.

'Facts? We don't want no f'ing facts, WE MAKE OUR FACTS, F face! No one is going to confuse us with facts!'

[AHZ]

Not at all. You're not a good populist apologist.


I don't apologize for populism. it's just anti-elitism. there's nothing wrong with it.

[AHZ]

AHZ has a point, his answer was the epitome of the level most populists have on important issues, especially on economics and foreign affairs.

'Facts? We don't want no f'ing facts, WE MAKE OUR FACTS, F face! No one is going to confuse us with facts!'


and we're still waiting for a statement on how it's smart to send all the jobs away.

[fj1200]

I don't apologize for populism. it's just anti-elitism. there's nothing wrong with it.

That's not the definition of apologist. You're avoiding any real discussion of populism; there's a thread about it.

[fj1200]

and we're still waiting for a statement on how it's smart to send all the jobs away.

On the one hand you're waiting on some sort of answer to the above but on the other hand you can't tell us who has even advocated for it. You're not good at this. Populism is evil.

[AHZ]

That's not the definition of apologist. You're avoiding any real discussion of populism; there's a thread about it.


you have nothing but word games.

and f*** your other thread.


populism is easy. it means just not being an elitist douchebag.

[fj1200]

you have nothing but word games.

and f*** your other thread.


populism is easy. it means just not being an elitist douchebag.

That's the problem with populists. They avoid things that take thought and are unwilling to challenge themselves. And anti-elitist d-bags are d-bags nonetheless.

[Kathianne]

you have nothing but word games.

and f*** your other thread.


populism is easy. it means just not being an elitist douchebag.

Rather a common douche bag is what you are.

[fj1200]

Rather a common douche bag is what you are.

:laugh: I was going for subtlety.

[AHZ]

That's the problem with populists. They avoid things that take thought and are unwilling to challenge themselves. And anti-elitist d-bags are d-bags nonetheless.


simple things are simple.

sophists make simple things complex, like giant idiots.

[fj1200]

simple things are simple.

sophists make simple things complex, like giant idiots.

Thank goodness I'm not a sophist. :whew:

But populists, being incurious creatures, need to declare everything simple to fit into their simple worldview.

[Kathianne]

Thank goodness I'm not a sophist. :whew:

But populists, being incurious creatures, need to declare everything simple to fit into their simple worldview.
:laugh2:

[AHZ]

Thank goodness I'm not a sophist. :whew:

But populists, being incurious creatures, need to declare everything simple to fit into their simple worldview.


the truth is simple. lies are complex.

sending all the jobs away is only advantageous perpetually for a few. it seemed good for all for awhile, but now it's turning more destructive than beneficial, and sophists are clogging the the discussions amongst men with false complexiities and baseless elitism, and most of all, a refusal to actually engage.

[fj1200]

the truth is simple. lies are complex.

sending all the jobs away is only advantageous perpetually for a few. it seemed good for all for awhile, but now it's turning more destructive than beneficial, and sophists are clogging the the discussions amongst men with false complexiities and baseless elitism, and most of all, a refusal to actually engage.

That's comical. The below is what you won't actually engage.


On the one hand you're waiting on some sort of answer to the above but on the other hand you can't tell us who has even advocated for it. You're not good at this. Populism is evil.

You would have us impose tariffs to save 10 low-paying jobs in Somewheresville, USA which in reality could cost the US a billion dollars in higher costs or the creation of 100 higher paying jobs in somewhereelvesville, USA. That's the reality of the world not your small-minded static universe. Your "truth" may indeed be simple but it is wrong.

Populists are evil in their simplemindedness. Populism has destroyed the economies and livelihoods of people on whole continents because they thought things were simple.

[AHZ]

That's comical. The below is what you won't actually engage.



You would have us impose tariffs to save 10 low-paying jobs in Somewheresville, USA which in reality could cost the US a billion dollars in higher costs or the creation of 100 higher paying jobs in somewhereelvesville, USA. That's the reality of the world not your small-minded static universe. Your "truth" may indeed be simple but it is wrong.

Populists are evil in their simplemindedness. Populism has destroyed the economies and livelihoods of people on whole continents because they thought things were simple.

you're right. it's all a matter of choices.



and you don't believe in any jobs for anyone.

Elitists are disingenuous in their discourse and evil in their eugenics depopulation agenda.

[fj1200]

you're right. it's all a matter of choices.



and you don't believe in any jobs for anyone.

Elitists are disingenuous in their discourse and evil in their eugenics depopulation agenda.

Wow. You are amazingly dumb.

[icansayit]

When you stoop to calling us names. You should be proud
we are just trying to sound, and be JUST LIKE YOU.

[AHZ]

Wow. You are amazingly dumb.


That's Incredible!
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[fj1200]

When you stoop to calling us names. You should be proud
we are just trying to sound, and be JUST LIKE YOU.


Did I call you a name? Who have I called a name recently? I only accurately described the previous poster without calling him anything. I could accurately call you a hypocrite without calling you a name because you apparently don't care when anyone else calls names, you only have something against me. That's fine though because I know you are generally unable to actually discuss topics and issues so it's your way of staying involved. Unless of course you wanted to weigh in with your opinion of free trade and protectionism or populism. The floor is wide open.

[AHZ]

Did I call you a name? Who have I called a name recently? I only accurately described the previous poster without calling him anything. I could accurately call you a hypocrite without calling you a name because you apparently don't care when anyone else calls names, you only have something against me. That's fine though because I know you are generally unable to actually discuss topics and issues so it's your way of staying involved. Unless of course you wanted to weigh in with your opinion of free trade and protectionism or populism. The floor is wide open.


fj.

you never discuss anything.

you talk about other threads, bicker about words, or name-call and be condescending.

you're utterly content free.

that's probably why you love the new world order.

[fj1200]

fj.

you never discuss anything.

you talk about other threads, bicker about words, or name-call and be condescending.

you're utterly content free.

that's probably why you love the new world order.

Bull. I'm waiting to discuss anything you want but it's completely annoying to try and discuss something and have you repeat the same tired, disproven line over and over again. I'll provide loads of content but I know you won't look at it or reciprocate in kind. The past day I've decided that I'll put just about as much into all this as I'm getting back. If you don't like what you see... look in the mirror.

I started a thread ages ago about populism and you've outright refused to even look at it. Do you need me to find your quote? You get what you put into this. Put in actual discussion and you'll get discussion. Put in tired one liners and you'll get one liners.

[AHZ]

Bull. I'm waiting to discuss anything you want but it's completely annoying to try and discuss something and have you repeat the same tired, disproven line over and over again. I'll provide loads of content but I know you won't look at it or reciprocate in kind. The past day I've decided that I'll put just about as much into all this as I'm getting back. If you don't like what you see... look in the mirror.

I started a thread ages ago about populism and you've outright refused to even look at it. Do you need me to find your quote? You get what you put into this. Put in actual discussion and you'll get discussion. Put in tired one liners and you'll get one liners.



you cannot explain why it's smart to send all the jobs away.

quit pointing around and explain it.

I can tell you right now right here why it's dumb.

all the wages sent overseas instead of paid locally are all completely lost from the economy, making "trickle-down" a figment.

and cheap prices only mean so much when you have no job.

so refute that right now or stfu.


or you can mike pence it... "that's not my concern".....

a career ending debate point.

[fj1200]

you cannot explain why it's smart to send all the jobs away.

quit pointing around and explain it.

I can tell you right now right here why it's dumb.

all the wages sent overseas instead of paid locally are all completely lost from the economy, making "trickle-down" a figment.

and cheap prices only mean so much when you have no job.

so refute that right now or stfu.


or you can mike pence it... "that's not my concern".....

a career ending debate point.

I guess it was completely stupid of me to expect that you would attempt to enter into rational discussion. I'm still waiting for an example of who wants to "send all the jobs away" because I'm not aware of any who do. Maybe the mythical person who does want that will answer your question.

I guess until you do that all I'm left with is populism is evil and populists are dumb.

At least Pence understands the Constitution. trump? not so much.

[AHZ]

I guess it was completely stupid of me to expect that you would attempt to enter into rational discussion. I'm still waiting for an example of who wants to "send all the jobs away" because I'm not aware of any who do. Maybe the mythical person who does want that will answer your question.

I guess until you do that all I'm left with is populism is evil and populists are dumb.

At least Pence understands the Constitution. trump? not so much.


qed.

fj is a mike pence republican.

[fj1200]

qed.

fj is a mike pence republican.

I do understand the Constitution. Thanks for that. But he's not at the top of my list. Other than that you still offer nothing.

Populists destroy economies.

[AHZ]

I do understand the Constitution. Thanks for that. But he's not at the top of my list. Other than that you still offer nothing.

Populists destroy economies.


nice bumper sticker, ace.:clap:

[fj1200]

nice bumper sticker, ace.:clap:

You'll like this one too.

Populists: Simple minds for a complex world.

[AHZ]

You'll like this one too.

Populists: Simple minds for a complex world.


go with that.

you will probably get t-boned by a yellow freight driver.

[icansayit]

Did I call you a name? Who have I called a name recently? I only accurately described the previous poster without calling him anything. I could accurately call you a hypocrite without calling you a name because you apparently don't care when anyone else calls names, you only have something against me. That's fine though because I know you are generally unable to actually discuss topics and issues so it's your way of staying involved. Unless of course you wanted to weigh in with your opinion of free trade and protectionism or populism. The floor is wide open.


You volunteered to call YOURSELF Stupid. The words you throw at others must make you proud to be as STUPID as
the suggestion you made...not to me. But all of us can read whatever you say. So I'll proudly imitate you, and be just as STUPID.
You have dishonored yourself, and your intentions here for a long, long time. So I have come to expect only the LOWEST from you.
Hope that makes you feel better.

Once again. I know you will come back with another of your Wise-arse replies. So have at it. The entertainment is great
when not even YOU. The master of Everything, comes here to BRAG.

[fj1200]

You volunteered to call YOURSELF Stupid. The words you throw at others must make you proud to be as STUPID as
the suggestion you made...not to me. But all of us can read whatever you say. So I'll proudly imitate you, and be just as STUPID.
You have dishonored yourself, and your intentions here for a long, long time. So I have come to expect only the LOWEST from you.
Hope that makes you feel better.

Once again. I know you will come back with another of your Wise-arse replies. So have at it. The entertainment is great
when not even YOU. The master of Everything, comes here to BRAG.

No wise-arse reply coming here. I think you've said it all. Except of course about anything on topic.