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Utah Man Killed-Biden Threats

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Utah man killed after threats against Biden believed government was corrupt and overreaching
Flowers laid by firefighters are seen in front of the home of Craig Robertson, Thursday, Aug 10, 2023, in Provo, Utah. Robertson was killed by FBI agents Wednesday during a confrontation after making violent threats against President Joseph Biden and other public officials. (AP Photo/Sam Metz)
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Flowers laid by firefighters are seen in front of the home of Craig Robertson, Thursday, Aug 10, 2023, in Provo, Utah. Robertson was killed by FBI agents Wednesday during a confrontation after making violent threats against President Joseph Biden and other public officials. (AP Photo/Sam Metz)
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This photo shows a boarded up window at the home of Craig Robertson, Thursday, Aug 10, 2023, in Provo, Utah. Robertson was killed by FBI agents Wednesday during a confrontation after making violent threats against President Joseph Biden and other public officials. (AP Photo/Sam Metz)
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This photo shows a boarded up window at the home of Craig Robertson, Thursday, Aug 10, 2023, in Provo, Utah. Robertson was killed by FBI agents Wednesday during a confrontation after making violent threats against President Joseph Biden and other public officials. (AP Photo/Sam Metz)
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This photo shows a boarded up window and the front of the house of Craig Robertson, who was killed by FBI agents Wednesday during a confrontation after making violent threats against President Joseph Biden and other public officials, Thursday, Aug. 10, 2023 in Provo, Utah. (AP Photo/Sam Metz)
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This photo shows a boarded up window and the front of the house of Craig Robertson, who was killed by FBI agents Wednesday during a confrontation after making violent threats against President Joseph Biden and other public officials, Thursday, Aug. 10, 2023 in Provo, Utah. (AP Photo/Sam Metz)
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Law enforcement investigate the scene of a shooting involving the FBI Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023 in Provo, Utah. A man accused of making threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities said. (Laura Seitz/The Deseret News via AP)
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Utah Man Killed Biden Threats
Law enforcement investigate the scene of a shooting involving the FBI Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023 in Provo, Utah. A man accused of making threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities said. (Laura Seitz/The Deseret News via AP)
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The complaint in United States District Court against Craig Deleeuw Robertson, featuring threatening online postings by Robertson, is photographed in San Francisco, Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023. Robertson, an armed Utah man accused of making violent threats against President Joe Biden ,was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities say. The shooting happened as special agents tried to serve a warrant on the home of Craig Deleeuw Robertson in Provo, south of Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Eric Risberg)
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The complaint in United States District Court against Craig Deleeuw Robertson, featuring threatening online postings by Robertson, is photographed in San Francisco, Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023. Robertson, an armed Utah man accused of making violent threats against President Joe Biden ,was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities say. The shooting happened as special agents tried to serve a warrant on the home of Craig Deleeuw Robertson in Provo, south of Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Eric Risberg)
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Utah Gov. Spencer Cox and his wife Abby Cox greet President Joe Biden after he arrives at Roland R. Wright International Guard Base, Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023, in Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
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Utah Gov. Spencer Cox and his wife Abby Cox greet President Joe Biden after he arrives at Roland R. Wright International Guard Base, Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023, in Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
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Law enforcement investigate the scene of a shooting involving the FBI Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023 in Provo, Utah. A man accused of making threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities said. (Laura Seitz/The Deseret News via AP)
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Utah Man Killed Biden Threats
Law enforcement investigate the scene of a shooting involving the FBI Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023 in Provo, Utah. A man accused of making threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities said. (Laura Seitz/The Deseret News via AP)
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Law enforcement investigate the scene of a shooting involving the FBI in Provo, Utah, on Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023. A Utah man accused of making violent threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities say. The shooting happened around 6:15 a.m. as special agents tried to serve a warrant on the home of Craig Deleeuw Robertson in Provo, south of Salt Lake City. (Laura Seitz/The Deseret News via AP)
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Utah Man Killed Biden Threats
Law enforcement investigate the scene of a shooting involving the FBI in Provo, Utah, on Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023. A Utah man accused of making violent threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities say. The shooting happened around 6:15 a.m. as special agents tried to serve a warrant on the home of Craig Deleeuw Robertson in Provo, south of Salt Lake City. (Laura Seitz/The Deseret News via AP)
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A man holds a flag as law enforcement investigate a home in Provo, Utah, Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023. An armed Utah man accused of making threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities said. (Chris Samuels/The Salt Lake Tribune via AP)
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A man holds a flag as law enforcement investigate a home in Provo, Utah, Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023. An armed Utah man accused of making threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities said. (Chris Samuels/The Salt Lake Tribune via AP)
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Law enforcement investigate a home in Provo, Utah, Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023. An armed Utah man accused of making threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities said. (Chris Samuels/The Salt Lake Tribune via AP)
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Law enforcement investigate a home in Provo, Utah, Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023. An armed Utah man accused of making threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities said. (Chris Samuels/The Salt Lake Tribune via AP)
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Flowers laid by firefighters are seen in front of the home of Craig Robertson, Thursday, Aug 10, 2023, in Provo, Utah. Robertson was killed by FBI agents Wednesday during a confrontation after making violent threats against President Joseph Biden and other public officials. (AP Photo/Sam Metz)
This photo shows a boarded up window at the home of Craig Robertson, Thursday, Aug 10, 2023, in Provo, Utah. Robertson was killed by FBI agents Wednesday during a confrontation after making violent threats against President Joseph Biden and other public officials. (AP Photo/Sam Metz)
This photo shows a boarded up window and the front of the house of Craig Robertson, who was killed by FBI agents Wednesday during a confrontation after making violent threats against President Joseph Biden and other public officials, Thursday, Aug. 10, 2023 in Provo, Utah. (AP Photo/Sam Metz)
Law enforcement investigate the scene of a shooting involving the FBI Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023 in Provo, Utah. A man accused of making threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities said. (Laura Seitz/The Deseret News via AP)
The complaint in United States District Court against Craig Deleeuw Robertson, featuring threatening online postings by Robertson, is photographed in San Francisco, Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023. Robertson, an armed Utah man accused of making violent threats against President Joe Biden ,was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities say. The shooting happened as special agents tried to serve a warrant on the home of Craig Deleeuw Robertson in Provo, south of Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Eric Risberg)
Utah Gov. Spencer Cox and his wife Abby Cox greet President Joe Biden after he arrives at Roland R. Wright International Guard Base, Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023, in Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Law enforcement investigate the scene of a shooting involving the FBI Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023 in Provo, Utah. A man accused of making threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities said. (Laura Seitz/The Deseret News via AP)
Law enforcement investigate the scene of a shooting involving the FBI in Provo, Utah, on Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023. A Utah man accused of making violent threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities say. The shooting happened around 6:15 a.m. as special agents tried to serve a warrant on the home of Craig Deleeuw Robertson in Provo, south of Salt Lake City. (Laura Seitz/The Deseret News via AP)
A man holds a flag as law enforcement investigate a home in Provo, Utah, Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023. An armed Utah man accused of making threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities said. (Chris Samuels/The Salt Lake Tribune via AP)
Law enforcement investigate a home in Provo, Utah, Wednesday, Aug. 9, 2023. An armed Utah man accused of making threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president was expected to land in the state Wednesday, authorities said. (Chris Samuels/The Salt Lake Tribune via AP)
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SAM METZ, COLLEEN SLEVIN, JESSE BEDAYN and MATTHEW BROWN
Updated Thu, August 10, 2023 at 10:32 PM CDT
PROVO, Utah (AP) — An armed Utah man killed by FBI agents after making violent threats against President Joe Biden was described by family and neighbors as a gun enthusiast and devoted churchgoer who became distraught over what he saw as “a corrupt and overreaching government."

The family insisted in a statement on Thursday that Air Force veteran Craig Deleeuw Robertson would not have acted on the threats and committed violence over political disagreements, despite court records in which prosecutors depicted him as radicalized.

Robertson, who public records say was 74 years old, was killed Wednesday by agents trying to serve a warrant at his Provo home hours before the president landed in Utah to visit a Veterans Affairs hospital in Salt Lake City, about 45 miles (72 kilometers) away.

Prosecutors had filed three felony charges against Robertson under seal for alleged threats, including one this week that he was “cleaning the dust off the M24 sniper rifle” in anticipation of Biden's Utah visit.

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The self-employed woodworker was largely homebound and had limited mobility, his family said. Robertson referred to himself as a “MAGA Trumper,” a reference to former President Donald Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan, and posted threats including against Biden, the FBI and numerous law enforcement officials overseeing court cases against Trump, according to an FBI affidavit.

“There was very little he could do but exercise his First Amendment right to free speech,” Robertson’s family said in a statement posted to social media. The statement added that he was a decent man who voiced his “sometimes intemperate” grievances “in what has become the public square of our age — the internet.”

The family added that it had no animosity against law enforcement agents who took part in the events leading up to his death.

“The salient point is that he was never actually going to hurt anyone," family member Julie Robertson said in a text message. “He didn't even leave his house on the day of the presidential visit.”

The FBI investigation began following a March tip about a threat Robertson made on Trump’s social media platform, Truth Social. Robertson also referenced a “presidential assassination” and posted threats against Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland and New York Attorney General Letitia James, authorities said.

He called for assassinating the president and vice president, called an assault rifle a "Democrat eradicator” and regularly posted photos of firearms accompanied by threatening messages, they said.

In Provo, a growing area south of Salt Lake City known for outdoor recreation and Brigham Young University, several of Robertson's neighbors said they witnessed and filmed parts of the FBI raid. They echoed the family's account, questioning whether the elderly veteran they knew was a credible threat to the president in light of his social media posts.

Multiple neighbors said they could hear law enforcement agents identifying themselves as FBI broadcasting on a vehicle loud speaker to demand Robertson exit his home. Roughly 20 law enforcement agents came to Robertson's house, on a cul-de-sac, at about 6 a.m. Wednesday, according to neighbor Jon Michael Ossola.

Ossola said he heard them tell Robertson to come outside and Robertson yelling back, saying he hadn’t committed any federal crimes.

The shouting escalated until a window was broken, Ossola said, then he heard a cacophony of bangs and eventually saw agents bring Robertson’s body outside. "It was clear he was gone,” Ossola said.

“I understand that, like, he had guns, and he had mentioned that he would use them, and so there’s definitely a concern there," Ossola said. "But it still felt, like, a bit unsettling about how many people were there and just kind of how forceful it felt.”

Katie Monson, Robertson's next door neighbor, said she saw agents attempt to breach his front door with a battering ram before driving a tactical vehicle onto his lawn, close enough to pierce his front window.

She couldn't hear Robertson exchange words with law enforcement but heard six quick shots, a pause and then an exchange of bullets from what sounded like multiple firearms. Tactical officers dragged his shirtless body onto the sidewalk to wait for emergency medical personnel, who checked if he was still alive, she said.

Local firefighters on Thursday laid flowers in front of Robertson’s home after cleaning blood off the area.

Robertson was armed at the time of the shooting, according to two law enforcement sources who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss details of an ongoing investigation.

Robertson's body remained there for several hours until forensic investigators while police began to remove what Monson described as “an arsenal” of firearms from his home and the sheds behind it.

She and other neighbors said Robertson’s violent, threat-laced social media posts were markedly different from how he interacted with the community. He would ask about neighbors’ children and offer to drive people home from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' meeting house near his home.

Monson said Robertson was a kind and played with kids in neighbors' yards. She likened the contrast between his in-person demeanor and online persona to "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde."

“After living next to this guy for six years, he’s just like this super sweet grandpa for the most part. Yes, he has rants and opinions," Monson said. “I can’t speak to his online life, but he had a peaceful, religious, community-centered side to him. That was how he presented himself in everyday life.”

In addition to growing concerns about online radicalization, the fatal confrontation came as Trump and other Republicans, who have traditionally touted themselves as the party of law and order, have escalated their verbal attacks on law enforcement and especially the FBI.

That animosity was on stark display Thursday after a right-wing activist published Ossola’s footage online, casting suspicion on federal law enforcement’s actions and raising questions about how credible a threat was posed by an overweight, elderly man.

FBI representatives did not immediately respond to the family’s statement.

Agency spokesperson Sandra Barker declined to say if agents were wearing body cameras. Biden last year signed an executive order requiring all federal law enforcement agencies to mandate that body cameras be used during operations such as arrests and searches. However, a 2022 FBI policy says agents executing arrest and search warrants do not have to wear them if it is considered unsafe.

Military records show Robertson is a U.S. Air Force veteran who entered active duty in 1970 and served four or fewer years, according to Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek.

He was an airman first class and his service included work as a metalworker helper, she said. He was last stationed at Chanute Air Force Base in Illinois, which has since been decommissioned. Further details on his service were not immediately available.

A White House official who requested anonymity to discuss the matter said Biden was briefed after the raid. He made no mention of it during his Thursday appearance in Salt Lake.

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Slevin and Bedayn reported from Denver and Brown reported from Billings. Associated Press writers Tara Copp in Washington, Thomas Peipert in Denver, Chris Megerian in Salt Lake, and researcher Jennifer Farrar in New York contributed to this report.

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Jesse Bedayn is a corps member for the Associated Press/Report for America Statehouse News Initiative. Report for America is a nonprofit national service program that places journalists in local newsrooms to report on undercovered issues.

Herr Biden being protected by eliminating those speaking out. Sad actions, eh?--Tyr

Gunny
08-12-2023, 06:31 PM
Herr Biden being protected by eliminating those speaking out. Sad actions, eh?--TyrThe one thing a Dem-run US government will not tolerate is US citizens threatening it. China can all day long:rolleyes:

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-12-2023, 06:50 PM
The one thing a Dem-run US government will not tolerate is US citizens threatening it. China can all day long:rolleyes:

Our government acting that way is as bad as the actual killing. Because it negates so many of our Constitutional rights. -Tyr imho.

Gunny
08-12-2023, 06:54 PM
Our government acting that way is as bad as the actual killing. Because it negates so many of our Constitutional rights. -Tyr imho.They killed Randy Weaver's whole family. They don't care. He was violating the law. Like Joe and Hunter :rolleyes:

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-12-2023, 07:28 PM
They killed Randy Weaver's whole family. They don't care. He was violating the law. Like Joe and Hunter :rolleyes:

My older brother and I met him back then, a couple years after that happened. all I remember is he seemed like a nice guy.--TYR

Gunny
08-12-2023, 07:33 PM
My older brother and I met him back then, a couple years after that happened. all I remember is he seemed like a nice guy.--TYRHe was a separatist. Not my thing, but to each his own. IIRC, the entire incident stemmed from an illegal firearm.

They could have just waited until the situation was diffused and picked him up later. The FBI under Clinton's directions chose instead to push the issue.

SassyLady
08-13-2023, 01:33 AM
Makes me wonder why Madonna, Johnny Depp, Kathy Griffith and Ashley Judd weren't gunned down by the FBI for threatening to kill Trump and blow up the white house.

Black Diamond
08-13-2023, 02:29 AM
He was a separatist. Not my thing, but to each his own. IIRC, the entire incident stemmed from an illegal firearm.

They could have just waited until the situation was diffused and picked him up later. The FBI under Clinton's directions chose instead to push the issue.

That and Waco motivated Timothy McVeigh

AHZ
08-13-2023, 09:34 AM
He was a separatist.


you mean like, paper v. plastic?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-13-2023, 09:46 AM
Makes me wonder why Madonna, Johnny Depp, Kathy Griffith and Ashley Judd weren't gunned down by the FBI for threatening to kill Trump and blow up the white house.

Because their shining liberal/leftist/socialist badges protect them, methinks. Quite sad ain't it?? --Tyr

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-13-2023, 09:47 AM
He was a separatist. Not my thing, but to each his own. IIRC, the entire incident stemmed from an illegal firearm.

They could have just waited until the situation was diffused and picked him up later. The FBI under Clinton's directions chose instead to push the issue.

They did it to him, as a dire warning to others, imho.--Tyr

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-13-2023, 09:51 AM
He was a separatist. Not my thing, but to each his own. IIRC, the entire incident stemmed from an illegal firearm.

They could have just waited until the situation was diffused and picked him up later. The FBI under Clinton's directions chose instead to push the issue.

They did it to him, as a dire warning to others, imho.
As the government they are above the LAW.
They can break it at any time and we peons must ignore their transgressions. A nice little deal for them (dems, and allies of dems), right?--Tyr

Gunny
08-13-2023, 10:17 AM
They did it to him, as a dire warning to others, imho.
As the government they are above the LAW.
They can break it at any time and we peons must ignore their transgressions. A nice little deal for them (dems, and allies of dems), right?--TyrAgreed. The dismantling of Trump while others walk for more egregious offenses and installing a criminal puppet in the WH is the same warning on a larger scale. The government machine runs the show regardless who it installs on top and any thought or effort by the people otherwise shall be punished.

AHZ
08-13-2023, 10:24 AM
Agreed. The dismantling of Trump while others walk for more egregious offenses and installing a criminal puppet in the WH is the same warning on a larger scale. The government machine runs the show regardless who it installs on top and any thought or effort by the people otherwise shall be punished.


yes. but these state terrorism tactics are ultimately ineffective.

Kathianne
08-13-2023, 10:31 AM
Agreed. The dismantling of Trump while others walk for more egregious offenses and installing a criminal puppet in the WH is the same warning on a larger scale. The government machine runs the show regardless who it installs on top and any thought or effort by the people otherwise shall be punished.

Indeed. It seems to me that if the law were being applied with due process, Hunter wouldn't be walking. There's absolutely no excuse for what Hillary, executive branch agencies, and MSM did with Russia, no comparisons either.

The rest? Isn't so much just Trump persecution as blatant double standards and abuse of due process.

Gunny
08-13-2023, 10:34 AM
yes. but these state terrorism tactics are ultimately ineffective.

Until it gets to "ultimately" the government terrorizing the citizens of the US is clicking along on all cylinders.

AHZ
08-13-2023, 10:35 AM
Indeed. It seems to me that if the law were being applied with due process, Hunter wouldn't be walking. There's absolutely no excuse for what Hillary, executive branch agencies, and MSM did with Russia, no comparisons either.

The rest? Isn't so much just Trump persecution as blatant double standards and abuse of due process.


poisoning the well.

they've poisoned the well of due process and fair judiciary with trump particles.

it only works because of how spun up the machine is against trump, even though he's right and a truthteller.

globalists poisoning trump ended up poisoning truth and real justice in the process.

way to go.

Gunny
08-13-2023, 10:40 AM
poisoning the well.

they've poisoned the well of due process and fair judiciary with trump particles.

it only works because of how spun up the machine is against trump, even though he's right and a truthteller.

globalists poisoning trump ended up poisoning truth and real justice in the process.

way to go.Not about Trump. Try reading the thread.

AHZ
08-13-2023, 10:48 AM
Until it gets to "ultimately" the government terrorizing the citizens of the US is clicking along on all cylinders.


Jesus god buddha, hear our human prayer and please deliver promptly.

we, all of humanity, request you send love and healing rays to the heart chakras of the insane totalitarian technocrats and grant them the ability to connect with spirit and abandon their insane ways.

Amen-ra.

ahm mani padme ahm.

hari krishni hari krishna

krishna krishna

hari hari

hari rama hari rama

rama rama

hari hari

thus we speaketh the divine permutations.

Kathianne
08-13-2023, 11:00 AM
poisoning the well.

they've poisoned the well of due process and fair judiciary with trump particles.

it only works because of how spun up the machine is against trump, even though he's right and a truthteller.

globalists poisoning trump ended up poisoning truth and real justice in the process.

way to go.

Keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.

fj1200
08-13-2023, 11:35 AM
Herr Biden being protected by eliminating those speaking out. Sad actions, eh?--Tyr

One cranky 74 year old at a time. :rolleyes: