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Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-14-2023, 03:17 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/finance/news/covid-vaccines-way-eris-variant-100000022.html

Reuters
New Covid vaccines are on the way as 'Eris' variant rises
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Michael Erman
Updated Mon, August 14, 2023 at 8:07 AM CDT
By Michael Erman

NEW YORK, Aug 14 (Reuters) - A new COVID vaccine is due out next month, but health experts and analysts say it is likely to be coolly received even as hospitalizations from "Eris", a variant of the Omicron form of the coronavirus, rise around the country.

Some public health experts hope that Americans will welcome the new shot as they would a flu jab. But demand for the vaccine has dropped sharply since 2021 when it first became available and more than 240 million people in the U.S., or 73% of the population, received at least one shot.

In the fall of 2022, by which time most people had either had the COVID virus or the vaccine, fewer than 50 million people got the shots.

Healthcare providers and pharmacies such as CVS Health will start next month to offer the shot, updated to fight the Omicron version of the virus that has been dominant since last year.

They will be fighting declining concern about the virus, as well as fatigue and skepticism about the merits of this vaccine, Kaiser Family Foundation Director of Survey Methodology Ashley Kirzinger said.

"Public health officials, if they want to see a majority of adults get these annual vaccines, they're going to have to make the case to the American public that COVID isn't over and it still poses a risk to them," Kirzinger said.

The top reason vaccinated people gave in KFF surveys earlier this year for eschewing annual shots was they believed they had protection from the virus because of previous shots or infections, she said.

COVID-19 vaccine makers have pared back expectations for this fall's vaccination campaign, with Pfizer – the largest maker of mRNA shots with BioNTech – recently warning that it might need to cut jobs if it does not do well. Its biggest rival, Moderna, conceded demand could be as few as 50 million shots.

Last year, Pfizer and Moderna's vaccine sales topped $56 billion worldwide; analysts project around $20 billion for this year.

Jefferies analyst Michael Yee said he does not expect the autumn campaign to reach last year's.

"Take a look at what happened last winter. It was 50 million in the US, and it seems likely to be lower than that, given that there's less concern about COVID this year than last year," Yee said.

POST PANDEMIC VACCINE

The COVID public health emergency ended in May and the government has handed much of the duty of vaccinating America to the private sector. Over 1.1 million people in the United States have died from COVID, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

CDC Director Mandy Cohen said last week in a podcast that she expects the shots - which still need to be authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and recommended by the CDC - to be rolled out in the third or fourth week of September. She suggested Americans should view these shots as an annual measure to protect oneself, in line with the annual flu shot.

As with the flu, Pfizer/BioNTech SE, Moderna and Novavax, have created versions of the COVID vaccine to try to match the variant they believe will be circulating this fall. The shots are aimed at XBB.1.5, a subvariant that is similar to EG.5 and also a sub-lineage of the still dominant Omicron variant.

COVID-19 related hospitalizations are up more than 40% off of recent lows hit in June, but are still more than 90% below peak levels hit during the January 2022 Omicron outbreak, according to CDC data.

THE EVIDENCE

Some doctors suggest that annual shots should be targeted at the elderly and other high risk people, who are most likely to have dire outcomes if they catch COVID-19.

Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious diseases specialist at Vanderbilt University and a liaison to the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization practices, said it is possible that the ACIP could make a weaker recommendation for younger, healthier people. That could also affect demand.

"Should children really receive this booster?" Schaffner said. "Should the average person with no underlying illness who is a younger adult receive this vaccine or should this vaccine now be a more targeted vaccine?"

The CDC recommended children get a single dose of last year's updated vaccine for those aged 6 and older.

Dr. David Boulware, an infectious diseases specialist at the University of Minnesota, said that according to research he has published, people who are boosted have less severe symptoms for a shorter duration.

"When you look at what you can do to reduce your duration of illness, even if you do get sick, being boosted is going to be the best way to do that," he said.

(Reporting by Michael Erman; editing by Caroline Humer and Diane Craft)
These vermin will not stop until they fiind a way to kill at least a billion people. --Tyr

fj1200
08-14-2023, 03:48 PM
What was the lie?

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-14-2023, 04:25 PM
What was the lie?


They lied about the Covid the first time. They did bogus crap using force on we the citizens, etc.

They made it where I could not visit my dying wife--UNLESS I TOOK THAT DAMN SHOT!!!
She was in hospital for an entire month and Iwas not allowed to see her.
FFING bullshit and they did that and lots more tp other people.
So dont try to play that damn innocent act on me. They violated citizens rights. --Tyr

fj1200
08-14-2023, 04:40 PM
They lied about the Covid the first time. They did bogus crap using force on we the citizens, etc.

They made it where I could not visit my dying wife--UNLESS I TOOK THAT DAMN SHOT!!!
She was in hospital for an entire month and Iwas not allowed to see her.
FFING bullshit and they did that and lots more tp other people.
So dont try to play that damn innocent act on me. They violated citizens rights. --Tyr

I don't think they lied about covid the first time. It was a thing. Now it just looks like they're hawking covid vaccines just like they hawk flu vaccines.

AHZ
08-14-2023, 05:10 PM
I don't think they lied about covid the first time. It was a thing. Now it just looks like they're hawking covid vaccines just like they hawk flu vaccines.
when will you stop apologizing for the establishment?

what are you a rockefeller?

fj1200
08-14-2023, 05:13 PM
when will you stop apologizing for the establishment?

what are you a rockefeller?

I was just trying to figure out where the lie was.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-14-2023, 06:16 PM
I don't think they lied about covid the first time. It was a thing. Now it just looks like they're hawking covid vaccines just like they hawk flu vaccines.
The lie was how serious it was....... It has a 98.2% survival rate. They were giving its death rate at much, much higher numbers. --Tyr

SassyLady
08-14-2023, 09:25 PM
What was the lie?

They lied about the origin
They lied about effectiveness of the vaccine
They lied about the test kits
They lied about ivermectin and hydroxy-chloroquine as early treatment
They lied about hospitals getting paid to put people on ventilators
They lied about paying hospitals for every patient diagnosed with covid
They lied about vaccine injuries
They lied about spike proteins

I think this is a pretty good start on what was the lie ... so many lies it's hard to choose which one you will accept as "the lie".

Here are some of the ramifications of the lies

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-15-2023, 06:39 AM
They lied about the origin
They lied about effectiveness of the vaccine
They lied about the test kits
They lied about ivermectin and hydroxy-chloroquine as early treatment
They lied about hospitals getting paid to put people on ventilators
They lied about paying hospitals for every patient diagnosed with covid
They lied about vaccine injuries
They lied about spike proteins

I think this is a pretty good start on what was the lie ... so many lies it's hard to choose which one you will accept as "the lie".

Here are some of the ramifications of the lies

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/
Took me quite a while to read the article but it was a real eye opener for me.
I urge every person to read it as it points out what those vermin did to tens of millions of people worldwide.
Yet nothing will be done to them is my prediction. -Sad tis it not?
I wonder just how is fj going to refute that article???--Tyr

fj1200
08-15-2023, 07:10 AM
The lie was how serious it was....... It has a 98.2% survival rate. They were giving its death rate at much, much higher numbers. --Tyr

Spain, Italy, nursing homes in NYC, etc.


Here are some of the ramifications of the lies

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/


I wonder just how is fj going to refute that article???--Tyr


This has all been outlined by Klaus Schwab, head of the World Economic Forum, in his book on the “Great Reset”

No bias there. :rolleyes:

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-15-2023, 07:21 AM
Spain, Italy, nursing homes in NYC, etc.







No bias there. :rolleyes:

Ok fj, you believe what you want. I know what was done directly to me. And I saw what they did to others.
You know the old saying- "seeing is believing""
You try to have a dying wife and then be told by hospital you cannot visit her in the hospital for a month and see how you like it, ok?... --Tyr

AHZ
08-15-2023, 07:35 AM
I was just trying to figure out where the lie was.
they said it came from a wet market.

they were regularly misstating facts about masks, lethality, contagiousness.

they were lying about stats (people dieing with versus from covid)



why do you intentionally forget so many lies?

just learn to live in and value truth.

try it one time.

fj1200
08-15-2023, 08:19 AM
Ok fj, you believe what you want. I know what was done directly to me. And I saw what they did to others.
You know the old saying- "seeing is believing""
You try to have a dying wife and then be told by hospital you cannot visit her in the hospital for a month and see how you like it, ok?... --Tyr

Never have I said that everything the government did was perfect, right, and completely rational.


they said it came from a wet market.

they were regularly misstating facts about masks, lethality, contagiousness.

they were lying about stats (people dieing with versus from covid)



why do you intentionally forget so many lies?

just learn to live in and value truth.

try it one time.

I just don't think the other side was perfect, right, and completely rational in all that they claimed.

AHZ
08-15-2023, 09:49 AM
Never have I said that everything the government did was perfect, right, and completely rational.



I just don't think the other side was perfect, right, and completely rational in all that they claimed.


who was the other side? what are the sides you imagine here?

victims versus perpetrators is what it seems like.

and you give the perpetrators every benefit of the doubt.

fj1200
08-15-2023, 10:18 AM
who was the other side? what are the sides you imagine here?

victims versus perpetrators is what it seems like.

and you give the perpetrators every benefit of the doubt.

You not knowing the sides is why you aren't good at this.

AHZ
08-15-2023, 11:47 AM
You not knowing the sides is why you aren't good at this.


I see victims and perpetrators.

how do you conceptualize the sides of this issue?

please enlighten us.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-15-2023, 01:48 PM
Never have I said that everything the government did was perfect, right, and completely rational.



I just don't think the other side was perfect, right, and completely rational in all that they claimed.

Our side doesnt have to do everything right and rational.
They just have to be--BETTER--than the ffking dems.
Which it is easy to see that they are despite their flaws, imho. We have to choose the lesser evil most of the time,--Tyr

fj1200
08-15-2023, 02:10 PM
I see victims and perpetrators.

how do you conceptualize the sides of this issue?

please enlighten us.

That's what you see so there is no enlightening you.


Our side doesnt have to do everything right and rational.
They just have to be--BETTER--than the ffking dems.
Which it is easy to see that they are despite their flaws, imho. We have to choose the lesser evil most of the time,--Tyr

No. Our side has to be more right and rational. To be less is more easily demonizable.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-15-2023, 02:17 PM
That's what you see so there is no enlightening you.



No. Our side has to be more right and rational. To be less is more easily demonizable.

That does not work because both sides are-- HUMAN. As such we are imperfect beings.
The dems are easily shown to be far more corrupt than the Republicans.
Those that deny that truth are either blind, crazy or totally bonkers.--Tyr

AHZ
08-15-2023, 03:08 PM
That's what you see so there is no enlightening you.



No. Our side has to be more right and rational. To be less is more easily demonizable.


no.

you're the enemy within with your "quality control" concern trolling/ tone policing.

we are more right.


you establishment pukes used to be able to hide under this "centrism" talk, but that has to sync somewhat with reality for the strategy to work.

there is no "other side" on the complete weaponization of governance and the complete corruption of the system. establishment shilling and gatekeeping gets too obvious as the narrative fails to gain traction.

people aren't as stupid as they calculated.

SassyLady
08-15-2023, 04:34 PM
@fj1200 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=728)
Are you saying my article from the NIH is biased? You lump my post in with 2 other people and call bias as your answer? You asked where the lie is. I pointed out several and all you can say is bias?

You are a lost cause fj.

AHZ
08-16-2023, 06:02 AM
That does not work because both sides are-- HUMAN. As such we are imperfect beings.
The dems are easily shown to be far more corrupt than the Republicans.
Those that deny that truth are either blind, crazy or totally bonkers.--Tyr


totalitarians and tyrants believe that not only is human nature perfectable, but also that they are perfect.

this is why they're so psychotic and dangerous.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-16-2023, 08:18 AM
totalitarians and tyrants believe that not only is human nature perfectable, but also that they are perfect.

this is why they're so psychotic and dangerous.

Absolutely a true statement my friend.
Yes, the platform they want is in itself crazy and perverted....
Fruits of a crazy mindset... Which means this "war" is fought between the crazies and the sane people.---Tyr

fj1200
08-16-2023, 02:14 PM
That does not work because both sides are-- HUMAN. As such we are imperfect beings.
The dems are easily shown to be far more corrupt than the Republicans.
Those that deny that truth are either blind, crazy or totally bonkers.--Tyr

Avoiding the crazy tunes talk on both sides is a better way to find the truth. There was no real lie in your OP IMO; I was just trying to find out what specifically had raised your rankles.


no.

you're the enemy within with your "quality control" concern trolling/ tone policing.

we are more right.


you establishment pukes used to be able to hide under this "centrism" talk, but that has to sync somewhat with reality for the strategy to work.

there is no "other side" on the complete weaponization of governance and the complete corruption of the system. establishment shilling and gatekeeping gets too obvious as the narrative fails to gain traction.

people aren't as stupid as they calculated.

Your vision is clouded. I'm glad that Kemp and Desantis resisted the shutdowns etc. I think even trump didn't like Kemp's decision.


“I told the governor of Georgia Brian Kemp that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities,” Trump said Wednesday, just a day after telling reporters that he trusted Kemp’s judgment. “He knows what’s he’s doing.”
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-sc-state-wire-virus-outbreak-politics-health-a031d395d414ffa655fdc65e6760d6a0


@fj1200 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=728)
Are you saying my article from the NIH is biased? You lump my post in with 2 other people and call bias as your answer? You asked where the lie is. I pointed out several and all you can say is bias?

You are a lost cause fj.

Yes, it's biased. I'm guessing the NIH had no editorial input on references to the WEF and Klaus. Besides I asked where the lie was in the OP and not everything that you perceived as a lie surrounding covid.

I could easily say you're a lost cause as well; now where are we?

fj1200
08-16-2023, 02:17 PM
totalitarians and tyrants believe that not only is human nature perfectable, but also that they are perfect.

this is why they're so psychotic and dangerous.

You called?

https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/EPA-trump-01-as-170307_16x9_992.jpg

AHZ
08-16-2023, 02:24 PM
Avoiding the crazy tunes talk on both sides is a better way to find the truth. There was no real lie in your OP IMO; I was just trying to find out what specifically had raised your rankles.



Your vision is clouded. I'm glad that Kemp and Desantis resisted the shutdowns etc. I think even trump didn't like Kemp's decision.


https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-sc-state-wire-virus-outbreak-politics-health-a031d395d414ffa655fdc65e6760d6a0



Yes, it's biased. I'm guessing the NIH had no editorial input on references to the WEF and Klaus. Besides I asked where the lie was in the OP and not everything that you perceived as a lie surrounding covid.

I could easily say you're a lost cause as well; now where are we?

vaccine policy was trump's weakest point. i agree.

he's still way better on trade, the thing you're retarded on.

fj1200
08-16-2023, 02:32 PM
vaccine policy was trump's weakest point. i agree.

he's still way better on trade, the thing you're retarded on.

You're off topic and wrong. At least you're consistent.

AHZ
08-17-2023, 10:46 AM
You're off topic and wrong. At least you're consistent.
im so on topic you can't take the heat. ain't that right, Jennifer?
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