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Kathianne
08-30-2023, 10:48 AM
He's owed money by someone not happy with the outcome of his efforts, now this:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/30/judge-rules-giuliani-is-liable-for-defaming-georgia-election-workers-orders-sanctions-00113462


Rudy Giuliani is liable for defaming Georgia election workers, judge rulesU.S. District Court Judge Beryl Howell ordered Giuliani to pay the two election workers punitive damages.


By KYLE CHENEY and JOSH GERSTEIN


08/30/2023 11:10 AM EDT


A federal judge ruled Wednesday that Rudy Giuliani is legally liable for defaming two Georgia election workers who became the subject of conspiracy theories related to the 2020 election that were amplified by Donald Trump in the final weeks of his presidency.


In an unsparing, 57-page ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Beryl Howell said Giuliani had flagrantly violated her orders to preserve and produce relevant evidence to the election workers, Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, resulting in a “default” judgment against him. She is also ordering him to pay Freeman and Moss “punitive” damages for failing to fulfill his obligations.


“Just as taking shortcuts to win an election carries risks — even potential criminal liability — bypassing the discovery process carries serious sanctions,” Howell ruled.


Giuliani spent weeks accusing Freeman and Moss of manipulating ballots during Georgia’s vote counting process after the 2020 election, despite repeated investigations that debunked and discredited the allegations.


The harassment that Freeman and Moss endured as a result of these conspiracy theories is at the heart of some of the criminal charges now facing several of Trump’s co-defendants in the Georgia racketeering case brought by Fulton County prosecutors. Giuliani is charged in that case, in part, for “false statements” to Georgia legislators related to his attacks on Freeman and Moss.


Howell has now ordered the case to proceed to a trial purely to determine the amount of damages Giuliani will now be forced to shoulder on charges of defamation, civil conspiracy and intentional infliction of emotional distress.


It’s unclear how much money the pair will seek in the trial, either in direct compensation for the damage to their reputations and other harms they faced or in terms of punitive damages–which can range to several multiples of the direct damages. The total might be influenced by what Giuliani does next.


Howell has given the former mayor until Sept. 20 to produce documents about his net worth, which she said he has dragged his feet on producing so far, as well as records from his companies related to the revenue produced by his “Common Sense” podcast.


Howell’s ruling came in a lawsuit the election workers filed in 2021 against Giuliani, the owners of the the conservative, pro-Trump One America News network, alleging that reports about claims the pair tampered with ballots were unfounded and libelous. One America’s owners settled with the two women last year for an unspecified amount, but the litigation has continued against the former New York City mayor and federal prosecutor.


Giuliani has insisted that his difficulties in searching his records related to the allegations against Freeman and Moss stemmed from factors like the FBI’s seizure of his devices in 2021 as part of a foreign-influence investigation that did not lead to any charges against him and serious personal financial difficulties he has faced since Trump’s defeat in 2020.


After repeated requests by Giuliani, a Trump political action committee recently agreed to pay $320,000 to allow the former New York mayor to pay a vendor to perform searches for digital evidence related to the lawsuit.


Howell’s latest ruling comes amid a renewed and assertive effort by Giuliani and his allies to convince Trump to foot more of his former lawyer’s mounting legal bills which now include not only civil lawsuits, but the criminal indictment in Georgia where Trump, Giuliani and others are charged with racketeering for allegedly trying to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in that state.


Howell, an appointee of President Barack Obama, said in her ruling Wednesday that she considered it possible that Giuliani concluded that dodging his obligations related to the election workers’ lawsuit make sense strategically to avoid giving fodder to prosecutors or lawyers pursuing other cases.


“Perhaps, he has made the calculation that his overall litigation risks are minimized by not complying with his discovery obligations in this case,” Howell wrote. “Whatever the reason, obligations are case specific and withholding required discovery in this case has consequences.”

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-30-2023, 01:23 PM
He's owed money by someone not happy with the outcome of his efforts, now this:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/30/judge-rules-giuliani-is-liable-for-defaming-georgia-election-workers-orders-sanctions-00113462

I have never like him, he is just a rich prick with a massive ego.
And I can tell he is a pansy too. As such he rates about as high as dogshat to me. --Tyr

fj1200
08-30-2023, 01:27 PM
trump sure knows how to pick 'em.

AHZ
08-30-2023, 01:46 PM
trump sure knows how to pick 'em.


it's hard to go wrong with America's Mayor.

hjmick
08-30-2023, 02:04 PM
I have never like him, he is just a rich prick with a massive ego.
And I can tell he is a pansy too. As such he rates about as high as dogshat to me. --Tyr


Sounds like his last boss...

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-30-2023, 02:24 PM
Sounds like his last boss...

May be true, I simply do not know about his last boss.--Tyr

Kathianne
08-30-2023, 03:19 PM
I have never like him, he is just a rich prick with a massive ego.
And I can tell he is a pansy too. As such he rates about as high as dogshat to me. --Tyr

And yet Trump picked him.

fj1200
08-30-2023, 03:42 PM
May be true, I simply do not know about his last boss.--Tyr

You don't know about this guy?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs.abcnews.com%2Fimages%2FPolitics %2FEPA-trump-01-as-170307_4x3_992.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=dee19e83a8a6b76757ebf73598ae88fc0f9ffb21002032 e03fa1df0a48423fbe&ipo=images

hjmick
08-31-2023, 06:20 AM
May be true, I simply do not know about his last boss.--Tyr

Really? Maybe this will jog your selective memory:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.salon.com%2F2020%2F11%2Fdon ald-trump-1123202.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=4f16ebb34c42bb4230b7debc2a221382eb02dcaf90d594 249d87700edf4742fe&ipo=images

Does that help? You remember now? Former President P01135809.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-31-2023, 08:21 AM
Really? Maybe this will jog your selective memory:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.salon.com%2F2020%2F11%2Fdon ald-trump-1123202.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=4f16ebb34c42bb4230b7debc2a221382eb02dcaf90d594 249d87700edf4742fe&ipo=images

Does that help? You remember now? Former President P01135809.

Thanks for the picture. I think he was speaking about the vermin infesting politics now, you know the ffing dems. -:laugh:--Tyr