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Kathianne
09-23-2023, 08:25 PM
First energy independence; then border security worsens; now Amazon:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/09/23/will_khan_break_amazon__or_will_her_lawsuit_break_ her_149798.html


Will Khan Break Amazon – or Will Her Lawsuit Break Her?COMMENTARY
By Robert H. Bork Jr.September 23, 2023
Will Khan Break Amazon – or Will Her Lawsuit Break Her?AP
Federal Trade Commission Chair Lina Khan is by all accounts preparing to file her long-anticipated antitrust case against Amazon. There are rumors and reports of tail-chasing and internal angst within the FTC over the drafting of this complaint.


It is easy to see why.


Khan’s rise is often described in adoring media profiles as “meteoric.” The problem with meteors, of course, is that while they are indeed bright and sparkly, they plunge and burn instead of rise. Will Khan shine and rise, or shine and burn? We will soon see. Khan is preparing to launch her career-defining antitrust lawsuit, turning the theories of her famous and much-fêted anti-Amazon article in The Yale Law Journal into flesh.


If the case is successful, Khan’s admirers will celebrate it as the victorious culmination of that remarkable seven-year journey to reframe antitrust law, using Amazon as a target to make her case against the reigning consumer welfare standard. A victory over Amazon would be for today’s progressives what the 1911 breakup of Standard Oil was for the original Progressive Era.


But if she loses, this will be the fifth time the courts will have kicked Khan and her revolutionary legal theories to the curb. Her most recent loss was a quixotic bid to stop Meta (formerly Facebook) from acquiring a virtual reality fitness app. It was from the start a strange bid to apply antitrust standards to a new entrant in a sector brimming with competition. If Khan loses her bid against Amazon, she will have broken her bit in trying to persuade courts to adjust to her theories of antitrust.


Failing to win the case against Amazon would become a textbook example of why courts are reluctant to buy in to progressive antitrust theories. Khan would reportedly force the online retailer to allow sellers on its website to send products to customers using other companies’ shipping. This would undercut Amazon, which has invested tens of billions of dollars in building a nationwide network of warehouses, fulfillment centers, and delivery trucks. To forcibly break this chain would undercut millions of Americans who hold retirement stock in Amazon and consumers who could lose Amazon Prime’s promise of one- to two-day free shipping.


The lawsuit also operates on the theory that there is something exploitative about bundling shipping with music and streaming television. The FTC, an agency charged with protecting the welfare of consumers, would decide for consumers to break this value proposition into separate services, instead of letting consumers vote with their dollars.


Then there is the damage the FTC would do to 2 million small businesses that rely on Amazon to sell their wares online. The FTC holds it is wrong for Amazon to compete with them with its own retail business – despite the fact that many online and brick-and-mortar stores do the same. By undermining Amazon’s business model as well as its world-class logistics, it would shrink access to consumers for the small sellers Amazon serves.


One might ask, why is Amazon such a target? As dominant as it is in online retail, it is not a monopoly. And it is just one of many players in overall retail. Consumers value Amazon and its Prime delivery. A recent Harris/Harvard poll showed that in 2021 the most trusted institution was the U.S. military. Amazon came in second. So why this obsession?


Amazon is a target precisely because it is a consumer-friendly company par excellence: low prices, enormous selection, rapid delivery, combining value from music and movies to hair dryers and outdoor furniture. If that business model is illegal, then the 45-year-old consumer welfare standard can be jettisoned. Any business can be hauled up on charges. And that’s the point of progressive antitrust – to control the private sector by holding every business in the thrall of government.


While Amazon is popular, the same cannot be said for the FTC. For many years, FTC had a storied reputation among its 1,000-plus workforce. A government poll of FTC employees shows a dramatic reversal under Khan, giving their agency abysmal marks, including a low grade for the “integrity” of leadership for two years under her tenure.


But integrity is an extravagance when one sets out to topple judicial doctrine and control the economy. Khan and her followers are dedicated to overturning the almost 50-year-old consumer welfare standard, while targeting legal industries that employ millions of Americans, fund retirement plans, and make consumers happy.


Thus Khan’s elaborate, novel antitrust suit against Amazon is a legal high wire act. The outcome will determine if history defines her tenure as the beginning of a new era in antitrust – warping the fabric of American innovation – or if Khan will be remembered as a Doña Quixote who broke her lance on one windmill too many.


Robert H. Bork Jr. is president of the Antitrust Education Project.

AHZ
09-24-2023, 06:28 AM
It is true that monopolies and cartels can actually stifle competition and innovation, in some circumstances.

this is why we have trust busting in the first place, a basically good thing.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-24-2023, 09:18 AM
Remember Soros and the globalist hate the USA.
And Soros runs our government through his puppet Herr Biden and the dem party he owns.-- :saluting2:--Tyr

Gunny
09-24-2023, 09:53 AM
First energy independence; then border security worsens; now Amazon:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/09/23/will_khan_break_amazon__or_will_her_lawsuit_break_ her_149798.htmlSome people obviously have too much time and money on their hands :rolleyes:

The laws that need to be scrutinized and or changed IMO are the ones that allow stupid, endless lawsuits. What's the gain here? A progressive got to destroy something? Compared to the damage to small business and consumers?

Sounds about right for a progressive. Screw everyone and everything over just to destroy something:rolleyes:

Kathianne
09-24-2023, 10:12 AM
Some people obviously have too much time and money on their hands :rolleyes:

The laws that need to be scrutinized and or changed IMO are the ones that allow stupid, endless lawsuits. What's the gain here? A progressive got to destroy something? Compared to the damage to small business and consumers?

Sounds about right for a progressive. Screw everyone and everything over just to destroy something:rolleyes:
It's like anything that is successful and people like and buy from is going to be destroyed.

Gunny
09-24-2023, 10:29 AM
It's like anything that is successful and people like and buy from is going to be destroyed.Some people just can't stand the success of others. This is the 5th attempt by this person to take down Amazon? Lack of success, envy and hatred must be powerful. Someone's paying for it.

Kathianne
09-24-2023, 10:32 AM
Some people just can't stand the success of others. This is the 5th attempt by this person to take down Amazon? Lack of success, envy and hatred must be powerful. Someone's paying for it.

The government, FTC, i.e., us, the people that like Amazon.

Black Diamond
09-24-2023, 10:39 AM
All part of the Democrats' great leap forward.

Kathianne
09-27-2023, 06:57 PM
I really get some that bad mouth Amazon, much of their products are from China. Then again, so are most things in most stores across America, so I don't get that as a reason for singling them out.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/lina-khan-federal-trade-commission-amazon-case-e2cce1c5?st=idtp46sjy8fzvg7&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


Lina Khan Has a Weak Case Against AmazonThe FTC Chair defines monopoly down to harpoon the giant retailer with an antitrust suit.
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Updated Sept. 27, 2023 6:40 pm ET




Lina Khan has finally landed her harpoon on Amazon, her great white whale, but she may have a harder time than Ahab taking it down. After a sprawling investigation, the Federal Trade Commission on Tuesday voted 3-0 to sue Amazon in federal court for what amounts to offering low prices and fast service.


Ms. Khan’s 2017 article in the Yale Law Journal, “Amazon’s Antitrust Paradox,” argued that modern antitrust law’s consumer welfare standard is wrong. Amazon, she said, was using “predatory pricing” to undercut rivals. So it’s ironic that she now hangs her FTC suit on consumer harm.


“Amazon has violated the law not by being big, but by how it uses its scale and scope to stifle competition,” the lawsuit claims. Some of the FTC’s theories are plausible, but the facts it marshals are less than compelling.


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Start with the FTC’s claim that Amazon is a monopolist. The agency does this by narrowly defining the market in which Amazon competes as “online superstores” such as Target, Walmart and eBay. But it excludes brick-and-mortar stores as well as the vast majority of online retailers. The FTC claims customers like to buy everything in one place.

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Gunny
09-28-2023, 07:02 PM
I really get some that bad mouth Amazon, much of their products are from China. Then again, so are most things in most stores across America, so I don't get that as a reason for singling them out.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/lina-khan-federal-trade-commission-amazon-case-e2cce1c5?st=idtp46sjy8fzvg7&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalinkI was trying to think what exactly Amazon has a monopoly on? It's own drivers? The products it purchases and stocks?

I can get the same delivered from Wal Mart. Can get groceries delivered from several places.

Agree on the China crap. If that's all they got, I'm not seeing it.

Black Diamond
09-28-2023, 07:11 PM
I was trying to think what exactly Amazon has a monopoly on? It's own drivers? The products it purchases and stocks?

I can get the same delivered from Wal Mart. Can get groceries delivered from several places.

Agree on the China crap. If that's all they got, I'm not seeing it.
E-commerce would be the argument.

But walmart has gotten into it. As has
Target and what is the new co? Shopify?

Kathianne
09-28-2023, 07:18 PM
As one article put it, they are big and successful, their customers love them. They deliver on time or early like 85% of the time. They keep prices low. They compete directly with Wal-Mart and are trying to break into groceries as Wal-Mart breaks into online.

Black Diamond
09-28-2023, 07:22 PM
As one article put it, they are big and successful, their customers love them. They deliver on time or early like 85% of the time. They keep prices low. They compete directly with Wal-Mart and are trying to break into groceries as Wal-Mart breaks into online.

Hatred for success. Hatred for everyone's happiness