Ukrainian elections postponed ---and --- CIA tells Zelinsky stop stealing so much

[revelarts]

CIA To Zelensky: 'Please Stop Stealing So Much.'
Apr 22, 2024 at 12:41 PM
According to a new article by Seymour Hersh, CIA Director William Burns traveled to Kiev earlier this year to ask Zelensky to stop skimming so much off the top of US aid money. Apparently his top generals were angry that he was skimming more than they were! Meanwhile Congress voted to send $60 billion MORE to the corrupt regime. With the money approved, calls are now going out for Western TROOPS to be sent to Ukraine. Also today: Trump's alleged "hush money" is "election interference"?

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/cia-to-zelensky-please-stop-stealing-so-much





Ukrainian elections postponed with Zelenskyy's term set to end in May | DD India


Martial law... just until the end of the war.
So no election.. but they can still take polls that say 69% of the people agree with not having elections.
:rolleyes:

https://www.usip.org/publications/2023/11/ukraine-democracy-reforms-now-elections-when-possible


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnj3LzGxayU






"for Democracy!"

[Gunny]

*yawn*

Fact check: Posts make unsupported claims about Zelenskyy's finances (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/04/05/fact-check-post-unsupported-claim-ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy-assets-and-income/11592626002/)

PolitiFact | Did Volodymyr Zelenskyy use US aid to buy yachts? No, that’s False (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/feb/21/instagram-posts/did-volodymyr-zelenskyy-use-us-aid-to-buy-yachts-n/)

Shortchanged: Seymour Hersh's Claim Zelenskyy Embezzled $400M in US Aid Lacks Evidence | Snopes.com (https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/04/19/400-million-embezzled/)

U.S. Aid to Ukraine, Explained - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/u-s-aid-to-ukraine-explained/)

:bye1:

[revelarts]

*yawn*

Fact check: Posts make unsupported claims about Zelenskyy's finances (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/04/05/fact-check-post-unsupported-claim-ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy-assets-and-income/11592626002/)

PolitiFact | Did Volodymyr Zelenskyy use US aid to buy yachts? No, that’s False (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/feb/21/instagram-posts/did-volodymyr-zelenskyy-use-us-aid-to-buy-yachts-n/)

Shortchanged: Seymour Hersh's Claim Zelenskyy Embezzled $400M in US Aid Lacks Evidence | Snopes.com (https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/04/19/400-million-embezzled/)

U.S. Aid to Ukraine, Explained - FactCheck.org (https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/u-s-aid-to-ukraine-explained/)

:bye1:

Snopes and other factcheckers say it ain't so.
The same folks that told us the vaxs were 90+% effective, didn't leave the arm, didn't get into breast milk, didn't cause menstrual issues etc.
That there's no evidence of a lab leak?

Folks can believe what they want but
If I have to choose based on track records, I'll go with Sy Hersh.

[Black Diamond]

What? No Facebook "independent" fact checkers?

[Black Diamond]

What? No Facebook "independent" fact checkers?

Come to think of it i think they use those sources

[Gunny]

Snopes and other factcheckers say it ain't so.
The same folks that told us the vaxs were 90+% effective, didn't leave the arm, didn't get into breast milk, didn't cause menstrual issues etc.
That there's no evidence of a lab leak?

Folk can believe what they want but
If I have to choose based on track records, I'll go with Sy Hersh.But of course. It suits what you wish to believe:rolleyes:

[Black Diamond]

I don't know who sy is but i think snopes and poiitifact are about as reliable as Hillaryclinton.com for fact checking

[Gunny]

What? No Facebook "independent" fact checkers?Where do you think the accusation comes from? One of those stellar, social media outlets.

[Black Diamond]

Where do you think the accusation comes from? One of those stellar, social media outlets.

Quite possible. Hard to know who to believe.

[Gunny]

Come to think of it i think they use those sourcesAgain, people are going to believe what suits their narrative. How's this for one:

The people who don't support Ukraine want to see NATO/US/US troops fighting Russia.

Ridiculous, you say? Depends on how you present the story. While I doubt any such thing is true, when you add up all the facts it's easy to infer.

[Black Diamond]

Again, people are going to believe what suits their narrative. How's this for one:

The people who don't support Ukraine want to see NATO/US/US troops fighting Russia.

Ridiculous, you say? Depends on how you present the story. While I doubt any such thing is true, when you add up all the facts it's easy to infer.

I don't think zelensky can walk on water. I have been irritated by alternative news as well as "fact checkers" who say it's false whenever it doesn't line up with what the Biden regime says and does .

[revelarts]

But of course. It suits what you wish to believe:rolleyes:

Tell you the truth Gunny, I'd much prefer that Zelinsky wasn't a crook. and that Ukraine was having a fair election. & Russia & the U.S./NATO would just leave.

But I'd like to know the truth, whatever it is.
If I thought your links were factual or negated the reports I'd accept it.

[Gunny]

Tell you the truth Gunny, I'd much prefer that Zelinsky wasn't a crook. and that Ukraine was having a fair election. & Russia & the U.S./NATO would just leave.

But I'd like to know the truth, whatever it is.
If I thought your links were factual or negated the reports I'd accept it.You have no evidence beyond gossip that he's a crook. And yes you do want him to be one. In your mind it justifies your anti-Ukraine stance.

I would be absolutely fine if Russia would get out of Ukraine so nobody else has to die there. Understanding war and wishing for it are two different things.

[Black Diamond]

You have no evidence beyond gossip that he's a crook. And yes you do want him to be one. In your mind it justifies your anti-Ukraine stance.

I would be absolutely fine if Russia would get out of Ukraine so nobody else has to die there. Understanding war and wishing for it are two different things.

Offer/Develop a treaty saying Ukraine never joins NATO and see what happens.

[revelarts]

You have no evidence beyond gossip that he's a crook. And yes you do want him to be one. In your mind it justifies your anti-Ukraine stance.

I would be absolutely fine if Russia would get out of Ukraine so nobody else has to die there. Understanding war and wishing for it are two different things.

Well, Even if Zelesky were honest I'd still be against sending 200 billion to Ukraine for the war.
but you can tell me what i REALLY think in your reply.

but concerning Ukraines corruption in general
https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine-war-corruption/

https://notesfrompoland.com/2023/10/07/ukraine-is-corrupt-to-the-core-says-leading-candidate-for-polish-ruling-party/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-zelenskyy-anticorruption-efforts-1.6972301

https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-corruption-scandal-crackdown-treason-ukraine-war-democracy-antac-anti-corruption-action-center/


https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2024/01/29/Ukraine-Zelensky-releases-personal-finances/8921706529739/

https://www.foxnews.com/media/zelenskyy-aide-corruption-ukraine-people-stealing-theres-tomorrow



https://eurasianet.org/a-brief-history-of-corruption-in-ukraine-the-dawn-of-the-zelensky-era
...
The Kolomoisky challenge

One of the biggest questions about Zelensky has been his connection with Igor Kolomoisky, a prominent oligarch currently worth about $1 billion.

Kolomoisky controls multiple assets across various sectors in Ukraine, including heavy industry, oil and gas, media, ferrous metals and chemicals, agriculture and air transport. In the years prior to Zelensky’s presidency, Kolomoisky feared prosecution in Ukraine and resided in Switzerland and Israel.

Kolomoisky’s media empire supported Zelensky during the election and the two have had a close business and personal connection since 2012, when Zelensky’s company, Kvartal 95, signed a contract with Kolomoisky’s media holding, 1+1, for the production of sitcoms and films, most notably a comedy show also called Kvartal 95.

Kolomoisky has publicly acknowledged that he has continued to talk via telephone with Zelensky since his election, albeit “rarely.” During a televised debate two days before the vote, Zelensky vowed Kolomoisky would not get any preferential treatment during his presidency: “If Kolomoisky breaks the law, he will go to jail,” he said.

Kolomoisky’s luck seemed to turn in 2019 following Zelensky’s election. He returned home from exile and started winning a series of court cases related to the nationalization of PrivatBank, which he owned until 2016. ...

[Gunny]

Offer/Develop a treaty saying Ukraine never joins NATO and see what happens.Not sure how you see that working. They already had it. Prior to Russia's invasion, even after Putin illegally annexed Crimea, there was nor plan nor talk of Ukraine joining NATO. Maybe by the same type knuckleheads talking Texas secession:rolleyes:. Europe and the US were hands off as long as the status quo was maintained. The NATO talk began in earnest after Russia invaded.

While the naysayers like to live on the technicality of 'everyone promised XXXX wouldn't join NATO", is not current events enough evidence to support why most Eastern European Nations first move was to join? Their fears of Russia appear to be justified. He's annexed part of Georgia and Ukraine.

I wouldn't make a deal with him. He's got a serious case of Hitler-envy.



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