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82Marine89
10-23-2007, 06:59 PM
"Used with permission from OpinionJournal.com, a web site from Dow Jones & Company, Inc."

Global warming doesn't matter except to the extent that it will affect life--ours and that of all living things on Earth. And contrary to the latest news, the evidence that global warming will have serious effects on life is thin. Most evidence suggests the contrary.

Case in point: This year's United Nations report on climate change and other documents say that 20% to 30% of plant and animal species will be threatened with extinction in this century due to global warming--a truly terrifying thought. Yet, during the past 2.5 million years, a period that scientists now know experienced climatic changes as rapid and as warm as modern climatological models suggest will happen to us, almost none of the millions of species on Earth went extinct. The exceptions were about 20 species of large mammals (the famous megafauna of the last ice age--saber-tooth tigers, hairy mammoths and the like), which went extinct about 10,000 to 5,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age, and many dominant trees and shrubs of northwestern Europe. But elsewhere, including North America, few plant species went extinct, and few mammals.

We're also warned that tropical diseases are going to spread, and that we can expect malaria and encephalitis epidemics. But scientific papers by Prof. Sarah Randolph of Oxford University show that temperature changes do not correlate well with changes in the distribution or frequency of these diseases; warming has not broadened their distribution and is highly unlikely to do so in the future, global warming or not.

The key point here is that living things respond to many factors in addition to temperature and rainfall. In most cases, however, climate-modeling-based forecasts look primarily at temperature alone, or temperature and precipitation only. You might ask, "Isn't this enough to forecast changes in the distribution of species?" Ask a mockingbird. The New York Times recently published an answer to a query about why mockingbirds were becoming common in Manhattan. The expert answer was: food--an exotic plant species that mockingbirds like to eat had spread to New York City. It was this, not temperature or rainfall, the expert said, that caused the change in mockingbird geography.

You might think I must be one of those know-nothing naysayers who believes global warming is a liberal plot. On the contrary, I am a biologist and ecologist who has worked on global warming, and been concerned about its effects, since 1968. I've developed the computer model of forest growth that has been used widely to forecast possible effects of global warming on life--I've used the model for that purpose myself, and to forecast likely effects on specific endangered species.

I'm not a naysayer. I'm a scientist who believes in the scientific method and in what facts tell us. I have worked for 40 years to try to improve our environment and improve human life as well. I believe we can do this only from a basis in reality, and that is not what I see happening now. Instead, like fashions that took hold in the past and are eloquently analyzed in the classic 19th century book "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds," the popular imagination today appears to have been captured by beliefs that have little scientific basis.

Some colleagues who share some of my doubts argue that the only way to get our society to change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe, and that therefore it is all right and even necessary for scientists to exaggerate. They tell me that my belief in open and honest assessment is naïve. "Wolves deceive their prey, don't they?" one said to me recently. Therefore, biologically, he said, we are justified in exaggerating to get society to change.

The climate modelers who developed the computer programs that are being used to forecast climate change used to readily admit that the models were crude and not very realistic, but were the best that could be done with available computers and programming methods. They said our options were to either believe those crude models or believe the opinions of experienced, data-focused scientists. Having done a great deal of computer modeling myself, I appreciated their acknowledgment of the limits of their methods. But I hear no such statements today. Oddly, the forecasts of computer models have become our new reality, while facts such as the few extinctions of the past 2.5 million years are pushed aside, as if they were not our reality.

A recent article in the well-respected journal American Scientist explained why the glacier on Mt. Kilimanjaro could not be melting from global warming. Simply from an intellectual point of view it was fascinating--especially the author's Sherlock Holmes approach to figuring out what was causing the glacier to melt. That it couldn't be global warming directly (i.e., the result of air around the glacier warming) was made clear by the fact that the air temperature at the altitude of the glacier is below freezing. This means that only direct radiant heat from sunlight could be warming and melting the glacier. The author also studied the shape of the glacier and deduced that its melting pattern was consistent with radiant heat but not air temperature. Although acknowledged by many scientists, the paper is scorned by the true believers in global warming.

We are told that the melting of the arctic ice will be a disaster. But during the famous medieval warming period--A.D. 750 to 1230 or so--the Vikings found the warmer northern climate to their advantage. Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie addressed this in his book "Times of Feast, Times of Famine: A History of Climate Since the Year 1000," perhaps the greatest book about climate change before the onset of modern concerns with global warming. He wrote that Erik the Red "took advantage of a sea relatively free of ice to sail due west from Iceland to reach Greenland. . . . Two and a half centuries later, at the height of the climatic and demographic fortunes of the northern settlers, a bishopric of Greenland was founded at Gardar in 1126."

Ladurie pointed out that "it is reasonable to think of the Vikings as unconsciously taking advantage of this [referring to the warming of the Middle Ages] to colonize the most northern and inclement of their conquests, Iceland and Greenland." Good thing that Erik the Red didn't have Al Gore or his climatologists as his advisers.

Should we therefore dismiss global warming? Of course not. But we should make a realistic assessment, as rationally as possible, about its cultural, economic and environmental effects. As Erik the Red might have told you, not everything due to a climatic warming is bad, nor is everything that is bad due to a climatic warming.

We should approach the problem the way we decide whether to buy insurance and take precautions against other catastrophes--wildfires, hurricanes, earthquakes. And as I have written elsewhere, many of the actions we would take to reduce greenhouse-gas production and mitigate global-warming effects are beneficial anyway, most particularly a movement away from fossil fuels to alternative solar and wind energy.

My concern is that we may be moving away from an irrational lack of concern about climate change to an equally irrational panic about it.

Many of my colleagues ask, "What's the problem? Hasn't it been a good thing to raise public concern?" The problem is that in this panic we are going to spend our money unwisely, we will take actions that are counterproductive, and we will fail to do many of those things that will benefit the environment and ourselves.

For example, right now the clearest threat to many species is habitat destruction. Take the orangutans, for instance, one of those charismatic species that people are often fascinated by and concerned about. They are endangered because of deforestation. In our fear of global warming, it would be sad if we fail to find funds to purchase those forests before they are destroyed, and thus let this species go extinct.

At the heart of the matter is how much faith we decide to put in science--even how much faith scientists put in science. Our times have benefited from clear-thinking, science-based rationality. I hope this prevails as we try to deal with our changing climate.

Mr. Botkin, president of the Center for the Study of the Environment and professor emeritus in the Department of Ecology, Evolution, and Marine Biology at the University of California, Santa Barbara, is the author of "Discordant Harmonies: A New Ecology for the Twenty-First Century" (Replica Books, 2001).

LINK (http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010763)

manu1959
10-23-2007, 10:51 PM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/staticarticles/article58279.html

good article from pat....

The scaremongers are not always wrong. The Trojans should have listened to Cassandra. But history shows that the scaremongers are usually wrong.

Parson Malthus predicted mass starvation 250 years ago, as the population was growing geometrically, doubling each generation, while agricultural production was going arithmetically, by 2 percent or so a year. But today, with perhaps 1 percent of our population in full-time food production, we are the best-fed and fattest 300 million people on Earth.

Karl Marx was proven dead wrong about the immiseration of the masses under capitalism and the coming revolution in the industrial West, though they still have hopes at Harvard.

Neville Chute's "On the Beach" proved as fictional as "Dr. Strangelove" and "Seven Days in May." Paul Ehrlich's "Population Bomb" never exploded. It fizzled when the Birth Dearth followed the Baby Boom.

"The Crash of '79" never happened. Instead, we got Ronald Reagan and record prosperity. The Club of Rome notwithstanding, we did not run out of oil. The world did not end in Y2K, when we crossed the millennium, as some had prophesied. "Nuclear winter," where we were all going to freeze to death after the soot from Reagan's nuclear war blotted out the sun, didn't quite happen. Rather, the Soviet Empire gave up the ghost.

more at link.....

avatar4321
10-24-2007, 02:40 AM
i love seeing more and more information debunking the global warming myths.

Its about time people start realizing that even if the tempature goes up it wont be the end of the world. If terrorists get WMDs then it will be.

glockmail
10-24-2007, 07:58 AM
I saw an interesting show on the History Channel the other day, I think its called Mega-Disasters. It turns out that every 90,000 years or so (or maybe it was 900,000) there is a huge methane release from the ocean floor. Once it starts it just opens up and displaces oxygen, really screwing things up for animals that rely on that plus it also raises global temperatures big time. That’s because methane is 5 times worse a greenhouse gas than the CO2 generated if it was burned.

It is also a well known fact that this methane is from dead organic matter, and that it is also released continually from shallow as well as deeper deposits. Anyone who has fished a pond should know that the bubbles rising are methane, not fish going after floating bugs.

Methane is routinely extracted from the ocean floor by exploitation of natural gas deposits. This reduces deep pressure deposits, thus transference to shallow deposits, and thus reduce emissions to the atmosphere. Who knows, it might even put off or eliminate the next methane mega-disaster.

There are proven deposits off the east coast that are perhaps the largest yet found. Yet environmental wackos have been fighting its exploitation since its discovery.

So therefore it is obvious that anyone interested in reducing greenhouse gas emissions should also be interested in increasing the exploitation of natural gas deposits, and its use as an alternate energy source to mid-east oil. Since the deposits are close to where the energy is needed most, transportation costs, and the fuel used to move product, would also be reduced.

It’s a win-win for both the environment and America, therefore the “greenies” are dead set against it.

manu1959
10-24-2007, 03:54 PM
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told reporters Tuesday......

“One reason why we have the fires in California is global warming,”

saw it on the news.....

how exactly did global warming start the fire?

or are we saying that global warming caused the arsonist to start the fire?

or is global warming caused the plants to grow really big which was very tempting and the arrsonist lit it on fire.....

lastly what caused the last giant fire in san diego / LA......

darin
10-24-2007, 04:08 PM
Holy LORD Harry Reid is a numbskull. wow.

manu1959
10-24-2007, 04:12 PM
Holy LORD Harry Reid is a numbskull. wow.

the numbskulls took a vote...they don't want him either....

actsnoblemartin
10-24-2007, 04:18 PM
I dont support the whole, were all gonna die, running around with chickens with out heads cut off theory but, what is wrong with being realistic and saying. Hmm maybe, just maybe, as humans we are contributing to the problem, and maybe just maybe we could do something to put a dent in it.

Why is that so wrong, am i a commie now, or a socialist, or a bad person, just for saying this?

glockmail
10-24-2007, 04:24 PM
I dont support the whole, were all gonna die, running around with chickens with out heads cut off theory but, what is wrong with being realistic and saying. Hmm maybe, just maybe, as humans we are contributing to the problem, and maybe just maybe we could do something to put a dent in it.

Why is that so wrong, am i a commie now, or a socialist, or a bad person, just for saying this? As I said many times before I'm willing to err on the side of caution and be an avid supporter of nuclear power. But I've never got a greenie-wacko to join me. They want us to ride bicycles, live in huts and only have 1.2 kids.

manu1959
10-24-2007, 04:25 PM
I dont support the whole, were all gonna die, running around with chickens with out heads cut off theory but, what is wrong with being realistic and saying. Hmm maybe, just maybe, as humans we are contributing to the problem, and maybe just maybe we could do something to put a dent in it.

Why is that so wrong, am i a commie now, or a socialist, or a bad person, just for saying this?

nope .... and sure the US can do something......

who is going to make russia china inda etc.....do something....