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TheSage
02-09-2007, 08:38 PM
Just start here.





http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/is_new_world_order_jewish.htm
Let's begin by defining the "New World Order."

The mainspring of the New World Order is the desire on the part of the world's central bankers to translate their vast economic power into permanent global institutions of political and social control.

Their power is based on their monopoly over credit. They use the government's credit to print money, and require the taxpayer to fork over billions in interest to them.

Central banks like the Federal Reserve pretend to be government institutions. They are not. They are privately owned by perhaps 300 families. It is significant that the majority of these families are Jewish, how significant I am not yet sure. If they were Lutherans or Zulus, certainly our objections would be the same.

I am a non-observant Jew who believes this situation is lethal for humanity and Jews alike. We have already seen the tragic consequences of it in World War II.

The American inventor Thomas Edison described this colossal scam, which the New World Order is designed to perpetuate, as follows:

"It is absurd to say our country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the people."

Central banks also control the supply of credit to businesses and individuals. Robert Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank in Atlanta describes this untenable situation.

"This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is... It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." "

When the Federal Reserve was inaugurated in 1913, a London banker acknowledged that it is a scam.

"The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class... The great body of the people, mentally incapable of comprehending, will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical (contrary) to their interests."



CONSEQUENCES

Obviously printing money should be in the public sphere as prescribed by the U.S. Constitution. This anomalous situation is the source of humanity's woes. It pits the people who control the economy against society as a whole. It is in their interest to destabilize society, foster immorality, internal division (like gay marriage) and war in order to increase debt and distract and control the masses.

The bankers are responsible for social engineering programs such as the (homo) sexual revolution, feminism and multiculturalism, which undermine family and social cohesion. This fundamental antagonism also supports a vast criminal underworld actually run by the elites.

The bankers are responsible for the assassinations of presidents like Lincoln and JFK, and for the attack on the World Trade Center. They own or control the mass media, which legitimizes G.W. Bush, the war in Iraq and the impending attack on Iran. War provides an excuse to introduce the draft and a repressive police state.

Success today is based on a person's willingness to become an accomplice, witting or unwitting, to the banker fraud. Even rich entrepreneurs are dependent on credit and are unwilling to support genuine change.

As a result of the bankers' scam, Western society and culture are based on a fraud. We do not have genuine democracy or equal access to the mass media or open and truthful education. Western society is a fraud, run by cowards who know they're frauds.


ARE "THE JEWS" RESPONSIBLE?

The New World Order is a hydra-headed monster. The bankers work through many fronts such as Communism, socialism, liberalism, feminism, Zionism, neo conservatism and Freemasonry. Unknown to most members, these "progressive" movements are all secretly devoted to "world revolution" which is a euphemism for banker hegemony. (See my "Rothschild Conducts Red Symphony")

The bankers control the world's major corporations, media, intelligence agencies, think tanks, foundations and universities. They are responsible for suppressing the truth. Jews figure prominently in all of this, a cause of anti Semitism. Of course many other people are pursuing "success" as well.

The bankers also work through countries. They are largely responsible for British and American imperialism, whose aim is to monopolize the world's wealth. In his book "The Jews" (1922) British social critic Hilaire Belloc writes that the British Empire represented a partnership between Jewish finance and the British aristocracy.

"After Waterloo [1815] London became the money market and the clearing house of the world. The interests of the Jew as a financial dealer and the interests of this great commercial polity approximated more and more. One may say that by the last third of the nineteenth century, they had become virtually identical."

The confluence of Jewish and British interest extended to marriage.

"Marriages began to take place, wholesale, between what had once been the aristocratic territorial families of this country and the Jewish commercial fortunes. After two generations of this, with the opening of the twentieth century, those of the great territorial English families in which there was no Jewish blood was the exception.

In nearly all of them was the strain more or less marked, in some of them so strong that though the name was still an English name and the traditions those of a purely English lineage of the long past, the physique and character had become wholly Jewish..."

If the marriage of Al Gore's daughter with Jacob Schiff's grandson is any indication, this mingling of Jewish and Gentile elites extends to America as well. John Forbes Kerry is another example.

Belloc continues to say that the British and Jewish goal of world domination was synonymous and used Freemasonry as an instrument.

"Specifically Jewish institutions, such as Freemasonry (which the Jews had inaugurated as a sort of bridge between themselves and their hosts in the seventeenth century) were particularly strong in Britain, and there arose a political tradition, active, and ultimately to prove of great importance, whereby the British state was tacitly accepted by foreign governments as the official protector of the Jews in other countries.

It was Britain which was expected to intervene [wherever Jewish persecution took place and] to support the Jewish financial energies throughout the world, and to receive in return the benefit of that connection."

If Belloc is right, you could say the New World Order is an extension of the British Empire, in which elite British, American and Jewish interests are indistinguishable. See also my "The Jewish Conspiracy is British Imperialism."

Dilloduck
02-09-2007, 09:38 PM
the rest of the same article was pretty good too I thought ;


The majority of Jews would want no part of the New World Order a.k.a. "globalization" if they understood its undemocratic character and how they are being used.

The true Jewish spirit holds that truth and morality are absolute and cannot be trimmed to fit one's perceived self interest. G.J. Nueberger expresses this spirit in his essay "The Great Gulf Between Zionism and Judaism."

"The Jewish people are chosen not for domination over others, not for conquest or warfare, but to serve G-d and thus to serve mankind...Thus physical violence is not a tradition or a value of the Jews. The task for which the Jewish people were chosen is not to set an example of military superiority or technical achievements, but to seek perfection in moral behaviour and spiritual purity.

Of all the crimes of political Zionism, the worst and most basic, and which explains all its other misdeeds, is that from its beginning Zionism has sought to separate the Jewish people from their G-d, to render the divine covenant null and void, and to substitute a "modern" statehood and fraudulent sovereignty for the lofty ideals of the Jewish people."

The bankers obviously aren't concerned about true Judaism or racial purity and were quite willing to sacrifice millions of Jews to achieve their design by backing Hitler. They are sacrificing thousands more Jewish, American and Muslim lives in the Middle East in their Orwellian "perpetual war for perpetual peace."

Does the New World Order serve a "Jewish" agenda or a banker elite agenda?

I would venture that it serves the latter, and the Jewish people are an instrument of this agenda like so many other people.

By giving private individuals the ability to create money out of nothing, we have created a monster which threatens to devour the planet and with it the human race.

Articles by Henry Makow Ph.D.

Gaffer
02-09-2007, 11:26 PM
so now its the bankers and not the jews that are evil. So do you still hate the jews?

I guess this is why Andrew Jackson went after the banks when he was president. To crush the evil noahide bankers.

Damn adolph how do you keep all these conspiracies straight?

TheSage
02-10-2007, 08:00 AM
so now its the bankers and not the jews that are evil. So do you still hate the jews?

I guess this is why Andrew Jackson went after the banks when he was president. To crush the evil noahide bankers.

Damn adolph how do you keep all these conspiracies straight?

A person can be simulataneously a banker and jewish. And much of the conspiracy depends on brainwashed gentile noahides and freemasons.

Hagbard Celine
02-10-2007, 11:04 AM
A person can be simulataneously a banker and jewish. And much of the conspiracy depends on brainwashed gentile noahides and freemasons.

So am I just a pawn in the conspiracy for believing that the advancement of less culturally stifling and inclusive progressions such as globalization and personal freedoms such as sexual preference and women's rights are good things?

Gunny
02-10-2007, 11:49 AM
So am I just a pawn in the conspiracy for believing that the advancement of less culturally stifling and inclusive progressions such as globalization and personal freedoms such as sexual preference and women's rights are good things?

Sounds like global socialism to me. Why should people be given what they have not earned?

Hagbard Celine
02-10-2007, 12:02 PM
Sounds like global socialism to me. Why should people be given what they have not earned?

What are you talking about?

TheSage
02-10-2007, 03:20 PM
So am I just a pawn in the conspiracy for believing that the advancement of less culturally stifling and inclusive progressions such as globalization and personal freedoms such as sexual preference and women's rights are good things?

Less stifling like demanding people abandon their preferred religion for a new age sack of crap? Less stifling like demanding that borders be dissolved regardless of the consequences for the populations inolved? Less stifling like insisting the world respect a common fiat currency, the value of which you enforce through military dominance?

Gaffer
02-10-2007, 11:42 PM
Less stifling like demanding people abandon their preferred religion for a new age sack of crap? Less stifling like demanding that borders be dissolved regardless of the consequences for the populations inolved? Less stifling like insisting the world respect a common fiat currency, the value of which you enforce through military dominance?

I have no religion to abandon. The only ones in the world that want no borders are the muslims who want a calaphate that encompasses the world with no borders. There's no one trying to get a world fiat currancy going. The un would love to do that but they are just greedy bastards out to make a quick buck. Military dominance from where?

TheSage
02-11-2007, 08:32 AM
I have no religion to abandon. The only ones in the world that want no borders are the muslims who want a calaphate that encompasses the world with no borders. There's no one trying to get a world fiat currancy going. The un would love to do that but they are just greedy bastards out to make a quick buck. Military dominance from where?

No. Evidently you haven't noticed the liberals, including the neocons, telling us that enforcing borders is bad for business or racist. And the US dollar is a fiat currency. This is all about submission to the World Trade Organization and the world bank. Military dominance from the U.S. DUh. Oh and the US is the prime funder of the un. Don't act like we have no role in it's diabolical policies.

OCA
02-11-2007, 11:16 AM
No. Evidently you haven't noticed the liberals, including the neocons, telling us that enforcing borders is bad for business or racist. And the US dollar is a fiat currency. This is all about submission to the World Trade Organization and the world bank. Military dominance from the U.S. DUh. Oh and the US is the prime funder of the un. Don't act like we have no role in it's diabolical policies.

You've been watching too many Kirk Cameron movies.

TheSage
05-05-2007, 11:10 AM
You've been watching too many Kirk Cameron movies.


SO what have I said that's false?

diuretic
05-05-2007, 11:39 AM
Damn, those medics are incompetent bastards :lol:

Dilloduck
05-05-2007, 11:50 AM
Damn, those medics are incompetent bastards :lol:

I figured you wouldn't have an intelligent response. If you can't play get out of the way.

diuretic
05-05-2007, 12:18 PM
I figured you wouldn't have an intelligent response. If you can't play get out of the way.

Stop sulking. I can't help if it you're an incompetent idiot.

Dilloduck
05-05-2007, 12:28 PM
Stop sulking. I can't help if it you're an incompetent idiot.

I'm not convinced that you're capable of helping anything.:laugh2:

diuretic
05-05-2007, 12:59 PM
I'm not convinced that you're capable of helping anything.:laugh2:

I'm a broken man. I can't even summon up the energy to insert a smilie. I shall never be the same again. I'm finished. I can't go on in the face of such a withering wit. I shall probably slink away, tail betwee my legs, knowing I've been bested here. Maybe I won't return, my ego is so bruised and battered by the superior wits here.

TheSage
05-12-2007, 01:14 PM
So am I just a pawn in the conspiracy for believing that the advancement of less culturally stifling and inclusive progressions such as globalization and personal freedoms such as sexual preference and women's rights are good things?



Globalization is just the integration of all markets by force, whether it's good for people or not, in a way which is beneficial mostly to international corporations. What's good about that?

Said1
05-12-2007, 04:31 PM
So am I just a pawn in the conspiracy for believing that the advancement of less culturally stifling and inclusive progressions such as globalization and personal freedoms such as sexual preference and women's rights are good things?

Globalization doesn't equate human rights or improved socio-economic conditions. In fact, the nations that were the most stifiling, showed the littlest all around improvements in the areas you mentioned. Not only that, they're environmental practices were the worst and showed little to no improvement despite growing economies (pls don't as for a link, I read that in a magazine - Foreign Policy '21 Solutions to Save the World') As long as anyone doing business with them operates within their national standards, it's all good.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 12:04 AM
Globalization is just the integration of all markets by force, whether it's good for people or not, in a way which is beneficial mostly to international corporations. What's good about that?

I am not sure that there is or isn't a kernel of truth in that description.

Globalization is the empowerment of corporations by extranational NGO's so as to reduce the significance of the nation state as the dominant unit of power and sovereignty ruling over commerce and trade.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 12:11 AM
Well Ironically I am waaaay hip to the conspiracies of banking.

I hardly ever, in even a more that slight way, raise the "JEWS" flag tho in conjunction with this debate.

I simply have never seen conclusive proof that Jews still own the banking cartels and extranational monopolies that they invented.

But our credit based "monetarist" economy is a farce by any standard.

It isn't just a scam, it is a scam that mocks the scale of all other scams.

Our entire economy was designed to serve banking first, everybody else second third and fourth.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 12:32 AM
Sounds like global socialism to me. Why should people be given what they have not earned?


Given? Earned? Shaking head, ordering a round of what Gunny is drinking.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 12:38 AM
There's no one trying to get a world fiat currancy going.

You are totally full of shit.

We are already 90% of the way toward having a unified world currency. The ECB (European Central Bank), BOE (bank of England) and federal reserve have been linked via the Bank of International settlements (BIS Switzerland) for at least 20 years into a virtual common currency. Japan is left out of the loop but both Japan and China ARE members of the BIS.

Whatever degrees of autonomy still exist between the worlds central banks is slim and a closely guarded secret.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 12:40 AM
I figured you wouldn't have an intelligent response. If you can't play get out of the way.

That was an intelligent response, it just flew over your head.

TheSage
05-13-2007, 09:14 AM
Well Ironically I am waaaay hip to the conspiracies of banking.

I hardly ever, in even a more that slight way, raise the "JEWS" flag tho in conjunction with this debate.

I simply have never seen conclusive proof that Jews still own the banking cartels and extranational monopolies that they invented.

But our credit based "monetarist" economy is a farce by any standard.

It isn't just a scam, it is a scam that mocks the scale of all other scams.

Our entire economy was designed to serve banking first, everybody else second third and fourth.

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

here's a good chart.

Basically the american banking control apparatus is an offshoot from the unholy alliance between the Rothschilds And Royals of England.

TheSage
05-13-2007, 09:32 AM
Basically, jews hate the descendants of the greco roman tradition. They never had a more gracious host society that babylon during the babylonian exile, and that's where their loyalties lie. That's why they have systematically corrupted immigration policies of the west to allow semites (muslims) to overrun the native population.

Islam is a noahide religion. (And christianity has nearly been perverted into one). Research noahide to get the full picture. and there's nothing JUDEO-christian about the west. Unless you consider turning the elites against the people through currency control a positive contribution.

"The Love of Money is the root of all evil". (2 Timothy 6:10)

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 10:24 AM
http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

here's a good chart.

Basically the american banking control apparatus is an offshoot from the unholy alliance between the Rothschilds And Royals of England.

Well I know that but a few hundred years of interbreeding and family tree growth along with the possibilities that shares changed hands suggests that the original ownership of the central banks may have changed ethnicity to a large degree.

Prescott Bush for example was a senior VP for Brown Bros harrimen, one of the first 3 banks that owned the fed reserve. Prescotts dad was a president of the predicessor to BBH in St Louis as well.

Yet I am aware of no Jewish blood in the Bush family.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 10:28 AM
Globalization doesn't equate human rights or improved socio-economic conditions. In fact, the nations that were the most stifiling, showed the littlest all around improvements in the areas you mentioned. Not only that, they're environmental practices were the worst and showed little to no improvement despite growing economies (pls don't as for a link, I read that in a magazine - Foreign Policy '21 Solutions to Save the World') As long as anyone doing business with them operates within their national standards, it's all good.


Not enough info. I think I might have a clue about what you are saying but I would need more details.

TheSage
05-13-2007, 10:35 AM
Well I know that but a few hundred years of interbreeding and family tree growth along with the possibilities that shares changed hands suggests that the original ownership of the central banks may have changed ethnicity to a large degree.

Prescott Bush for example was a senior VP for Brown Bros harrimen, one of the first 3 banks that owned the fed reserve. Prescotts dad was a president of the predicessor to BBH in St Louis as well.

Yet I am aware of no Jewish blood in the Bush family.

It's not just jews. It's freemasons, satanists, skull and bones, illuminati, cia, world bank, most governments, etc...
the current ethnicity really doesn't matter. Destroying the common people is an accepted tenet of them all. The meme that has been borrowed from talmudic judaism, which they borrowed from the mystery religions is the concept of elitism as a guiding principle.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 10:37 AM
Basically, jews hate the descendants of the greco roman tradition. They never had a more gracious host society that babylon during the babylonian exile, and that's where their loyalties lie. That's why they have systematically corrupted immigration policies of the west to allow semites (muslims) to overrun the native population.

Traditional jewish faith says that ALL gentiles have souls of an order as low as animals.

But suggesting that Jews categorically are loyal to Muslims and are conspiring to weaken immigration restrictions to allow infiltration is too big a stretch for me to accept without much more conclusive evidence.


Islam is a noahide religion. (And christianity has nearly been perverted into one). Research noahide to get the full picture. and there's nothing JUDEO-christian about the west. Unless you consider turning the elites against the people through currency control a positive contribution.

"The Love of Money is the root of all evil". (2 Timothy 6:10)

All three religions mentions(Judiasm, Islam and Christianity) are zoroasterian based religions sharing common ideologies.

What about noahide roots specifically are you refering to that creates such a sweeping distinction?

As I said earlier the argument about central banks grip on our economy stands alone without a racist component.

Why is the racial component important to you Sage?

TheSage
05-13-2007, 10:38 AM
Not enough info. I think I might have a clue about what you are saying but I would need more details.


http://www.augustreview.com

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 10:46 AM
It's not just jews. It's freemasons, satanists, skull and bones, illuminati, cia, world bank, most governments, etc...
the current ethnicity really doesn't matter. Destroying the common people is an accepted tenet of them all. The meme that has been borrowed from talmudic judaism, which they borrowed from the mystery religions is the concept of elitism as a guiding principle.

OK, I can accept this as a burgoise elite caste that is still more or less intact and ambitious. But without some dramatic documentation establishing a unified conspiracy I have to accept it as a generalized theme.

I suppose the Rockefellers, Duponts, and Kennedies would be included?

TheSage
05-13-2007, 10:54 AM
OK, I can accept this as a burgoise elite caste that is still more or less intact and ambitious. But without some dramatic documentation establishing a unified conspiracy I have to accept it as a generalized theme.

I suppose the Rockefellers, Duponts, and Kennedies would be included?

Fine keep your hand in the sand. Check out the names on the federal reserve org chart. It's also, by chance(?), a who's who of political power brokers in america.

Accept the truth, get used to being called a wacko, and make a stand, even if in some small way.

check out the sites of Alex Jones.
http://www.prisonplanet.com
http://www.infowars.com

Myspace (a recent Rupert Murdoch acquisition) censors links to his sites, btw. Isn't that interesting?

What you need to get over is this belief that somehow the democrats have no part in this. Or maybe you don't believe that. If you do, don't.

The biggest risk to their plan is the people in western nations standing up to their plan, the dems are used to beat down western majorities with cries of "you're a racist, nationalist skinhead nazi".

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 11:19 AM
Fine keep your hand in the sand. Check out the names on the federal reserve org chart.

I have had that chart on file for 3 years Sage. I can't form my world view based on a chart alone.



Accept the truth, get used to being called a wacko, and make a stand, even if in some small way.

I make stands on econ issues almost everyday, but I like to be able to get my head completely around the topics. There is a lot that can not be known. You have to make choices about how much credibility you invest a few ideas with if they can not be proven via the I net.




What you need to get over is this belief that somehow the democrats have no part in this. Or maybe you don't believe that. If you do, don't.

Sage I do not in any way believe that the dems have no role in it. Both Clinton and Carter are trilaterals. And a Rockerfeller founded the trilats. Clinton signed NAFTA and was an advocate for the "new world order".

Hillary will also be an advocate for the NAU, our continued occupation of Iraq and globalization generally.


The biggest risk to their plan is the people in western nations standing up to their plan, the dems are used to beat down western majorities with cries of "you're a racist, nationalist skinhead nazi".


So stop making it a racist issue and take that labeling opp away from them.

Only a populist revolution (not violent) will gain ground for the people. In all of our history only three things have ever secured more rights and liberties for the masses: revolutions, democracy and populist movements.

And movements must be worldwide to succeed. If the world becomes polarized again in a cordoned conflict like the cold war the opportunity is lost for a worldwide movement.

THAT is why the Islamofascist wars are being stoked. And of course those conflicts also serve the military industrial complex, and many corporatists.

If another polarization of the world can not be orchestrated the world is primed for a massive depression. It could happen tommorrow.

The last depression took most of the steam out of the last populist movement as the people will accept anything for modest prosperity.

TheSage
05-13-2007, 11:22 AM
I have had that chart on file for 3 years Sage. I can't form my world view based on a chart alone.




I make stands on econ issues almost everyday, but I like to be able to get my head completely around the topics. There is a lot that can not be known. You have to make choices about how much credibility you invest a few ideas with if they can not be proven via the I net.





Sage I do not in any way believe that the dems have no role in it. Both Clinton and Carter are trilaterals. And a Rockerfeller founded the trilats. Clinton signed NAFTA and was an advocate for the "new world order".

Hillary will also be an advocate for the NAU, our continued occupation of Iraq and globalization generally.




So stop making it a racist issue and take that labeling opp away from them.

Only a populist revolution (not violent) will gain ground for the people. In all of our history only three things have ever secured more rights and liberties for the masses: revolutions, democracy and populist movements.

And movements must be worldwide to succeed. If the world becomes polarized again in a cordoned conflict like the cold war the opportunity is lost for a worldwide movement.

THAT is why the Islamofascist wars are being stoked. And of course those conflicts also serve the military industrial complex, and many corporatists.

If another polarization of the world can not be orchestrated the world is primed for a massive depression. It could happen tommorrow.

The last depression took most of the steam out of the last populist movement as the people will accept anything for modest prosperity.

It is a racist issue, because the traditions of white people happen to be more freedom/individualist oriented and they can't have that. So they prefer brown people, more used to shitty conditions, totalitarianism, and repression.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 11:33 AM
It is a racist issue, because the traditions of white people happen to be more freedom/individualist oriented and they can't have that. So they prefer brown people, more used to shitty conditions, totalitarianism, and repression.

I could debate that a bunch of different ways.

I will say that many intelligent brown people still see themselves as targets of smoldering genocide by those "freedom/individualist oriented " whiteys.

TheSage
05-13-2007, 11:35 AM
I could debate that a bunch of different ways.

I will say that many intelligent brown people still see themselves as targets of smoldering genocide by those "freedom/individualist oriented " whiteys.

We're all victims of the elite machine. But only whites have enough power to really stop it. Hence black pride is fine, hispanic pride is fine, outright jewish supremacy is fine, but white pride is hate. Look around you for evidence. WHites who have sold out to the anti-white agenda truly believe they will be rewarded with enough power that racially discriminatory programs like Affirmative Action won't affect THEIR children.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 11:50 AM
We're all victims of the elite machine. But only whites have enough power to really stop it. Hence black pride is fine, hispanic pride is fine, outright jewish supremacy is fine, but white pride is hate. Look around you for evidence. WHites who have sold out to the anti-white agenda truly believe they will be rewarded with enough power that racially discriminatory programs like Affirmative Action won't affect THEIR children.

Like I said i could argue this a whole lotta ways.

I would rather focus on the non racist aspects of the banking syndicates aspirations.

I checked out Alex Jones briefly.

I definitely agree that the world is ruled by a banking cartel. That is obvious.

I also am hip to the fact that an attempt was launched in the 30's to establish fascist states in Italy, Germany and the US simultaneously.

And i agree that the burgoise have been working non stop since the collapse of feudalism for more power, wealth etc. And that globalization is the means they are now pursuing.

And i agree that Bush is a surrogate for those efforts, Clinton was as well.

But barring some much more concrete documentations I don't think people like you and I will get much direct info about the "conspiracies" of the elite over the internet. And ALL info on the internet is suspect. In fact EVERYTHING is suspect in a world in which information wars are the ruling methods of manufacturing consent.

TheSage
05-13-2007, 11:55 AM
Like I said i could argue this a whole lotta ways.

I would rather focus on the non racist aspects of the banking syndicates aspirations.

I checked out Alex Jones briefly.

I definitely agree that the world is ruled by a banking cartel. That is obvious.

I also am hip to the fact that an attempt was launched in the 30's to establish fascist states in Italy, Germany and the US simultaneously.

And i agree that the burgoise have been working non stop since the collapse of feudalism for more power, wealth etc. And that globalization is the means they are now pursuing.

And i agree that Bush is a surrogate for those efforts, Clinton was as well.

But barring some much more concrete documentations I don't think people like you and I will get much direct info about the "conspiracies" of the elite over the internet. And ALL info on the internet is suspect. In fact EVERYTHING is suspect in a world in which information wars are the ruling methods of manufacturing consent.


It's probably wise to not focus on the racist aspect, it does avoid alot of the racist labelling you speak. I prefer the whole truth however. And I advocate for the civil rights of white people when and where I can.

Conspiracies by definiton are hidden. This information isn't even hidden. People just cannot be disabused of their Polyanna notions regarding their own leaders. they might feel compelled to "do something" if they internalized the truth. It's easier to just go home and watch dvd's. The thing is, we're selling our children down the toilet with this attitude.

Dilloduck
05-13-2007, 12:00 PM
It's probably wise to not focus on the racist aspect, it does avoid alot of the racist labelling you speak. I prefer the whole truth however. And I advocate for the civil rights of white people when and where I can.

Conspiracies by definiton are hidden. This information isn't even hidden. People just cannot be disabused of their Polyanna notions regarding their own leaders. they might feel compelled to "do something" if they internalized the truth. It's easier to just go home and watch dvd's. The thing is, we're selling our children down the toilet with this attitude.

I'm not even sure it requires any conspiritorial behavior. Elites who believe this way simply behave this way and with a quick wink and a nod the momentum of the globalists increases, victimizing those with more noble ideals.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 12:19 PM
People just cannot be disabused of their Polyanna notions regarding their own leaders.


This is a uniquely American trait. I think it occured because we have a glamorized imagery of our principled foundings and are just not educated to see the overarching themes of world power struggles outside the conflicts that we are brainwashed to accept.

"Commyism bad" and "Islamofascists bad" are the two main power struggles that we have been indoctrinated to believe.

Few people realize in the US that the titanic struggle against commyism was actually waged to serve the ruling elite who feared a worldwide revolution and wealth redistribution as had occured in Russia.

I don't know what the best way is to reach people, or what corner of the package is best opened first.

But "Globalization bad" doesn't seem too difficult to convey.

And without disrespect intended; we do not know the whole truth. Nobody does.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 12:25 PM
I'm not even sure it requires any conspiritorial behavior. Elites who believe this way simply behave this way and with a quick wink and a nod the momentum of the globalists increases, victimizing those with more noble ideals.


It doesn't require a direct conspiracy at all, you are 100% correct.

Sometime architecture provides the means for coordinated efforts. Sometimes like goals and layers of affiliations have the effect of a united effort even when one does not exist.

It is important to remember that elite families are also rivals. They are as much in competition with one another as working in conjunction with one another.

TheSage
05-13-2007, 06:19 PM
It doesn't require a direct conspiracy at all, you are 100% correct.

Sometime architecture provides the means for coordinated efforts. Sometimes like goals and layers of affiliations have the effect of a united effort even when one does not exist.

It is important to remember that elite families are also rivals. They are as much in competition with one another as working in conjunction with one another.

Yes. ANd they work to in conjunction to keep the rest of us ensnared in their inescapable control matrix. Their infighting is no solace.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 07:42 PM
Yes. ANd they work to in conjunction to keep the rest of us ensnared in their inescapable control matrix. Their infighting is no solace.

Altho I don't disagree I found your post pretty funny. For one thing it made me consider that their infighting could be turned to their disadvantage.

The inescapable matrix is new and untested. It may likely break all on it's own. In any case within ten years most of the world will be seeing it for what it is and then it comes down to many of us and a few of them.

Unless they succeed at turning us against each other they can not win.

So maybe we should apply the same tactic.

TheSage
05-13-2007, 07:45 PM
Altho I don't disagree I found your post pretty funny. For one thing it made me consider that their infighting could be turned to their disadvantage.

The inescapable matrix is new and untested. It may likely break all on it's own. In any case within ten years most of the world will be seeing it for what it is and then it comes down to many of us and a few of them.

Unless they succeed at turning us against each other they can not win.

So maybe we should apply the same tactic.


They're pretty good at pulling together when their mutually benefical raquet is questioned, but I hope you're right.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 09:50 PM
They're pretty good at pulling together when their mutually benefical raquet is questioned, but I hope you're right.

If I was a Globalist I would be concerned about the plan.

For one they no longer have a monopoly on info.

For another all of the models of governments and military efforts to keep the masses in line are failing in at least a few choice examples.

And the modern propaganda model is also showing itself to be incapable of getting it done.

And the WTO is hardly able to call a summit without calamity. The ME is not cooperating. Israel is failing at things they thought they had mastered.

The EU constitution is dead.

Immigration in the US is a thorn.

Chavez and the SA socialists are gathering steam.

China is determined to resist efforts to privatize it's financial markets, and Russia and India are talking about mutual defense initiatives and a multipolar world.

Even Europe is hedging on expanding the NATO defense line.

And as long as China doesn't play I dunno if they can succeed. I mean sure they could crush china but who is gonna make everything? Who is left? India?, Pakistan?

And how much longer is Japan gonna extend easy credit and buy US bonds before they say "enough"?

And same with China. How many more US bonds do they need?

How much longer will americans allow starve the beast deficits? Two more years?

I would be worried if I were a globalist. They have a paper empire.

Dilloduck
05-13-2007, 09:59 PM
If I was a Globalist I would be concerned about the plan.

For one they no longer have a monopoly on info.

For another all of the models of governments and military efforts to keep the masses in line are failing in at least a few choice examples.

And the modern propaganda model is also showing itself to be incapable of getting it done.

And the WTO is hardly able to call a summit without calamity. The ME is not cooperating. Israel is failing at things they thought they had mastered.

The EU constitution is dead.

Immigration in the US is a thorn.

Chavez and the SA socialists are gathering steam.

China is determined to resist efforts to privatize it's financial markets, and Russia and India are talking about mutual defense initiatives and a multipolar world.

Even Europe is hedging on expanding the NATO defense line.

And as long as China doesn't play I dunno if they can succeed. I mean sure they could crush china but who is gonna make everything? Who is left? India?, Pakistan?

And how much longer is Japan gonna extend easy credit and buy US bonds before they say "enough"?

And same with China. How many more US bonds do they need?

How much longer will americans allow starve the beast deficits? Two more years?

I would be worried if I were a globalist. They have a paper empire.

They do----and the rest of us are dependent on it.

loosecannon
05-13-2007, 10:29 PM
They do----and the rest of us are dependent on it.

I admit that was a sage response. Clever. It contains a kernel of sound truth.

But I think the parasite is much more dependent on the host than vice versa.