chesswarsnow
11-18-2007, 10:42 AM
Sorry bout that,
1. But Novak is a *Under-minder*, he *Under-minded* GW Bush with the whole Plame affair.
2. Now he has started in on Obama.
3. I think his brand of politics should be dealt with severally.
4. They should put this man on trial for slander, and throw his ass into jail for 20 years.
5. When people act like they are innocent, and bring up false slanderous stories, that indeed harm others, they should be held accountable.
6. Check this out:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/11/18/MNUTTEMT6.DTL
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Obama accuses Clinton campaign of mud-slinging with Novak column
Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer
Sunday, November 18, 2007
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(11-18) 04:00 PST Las Vegas --
The Democratic presidential race burst into its angriest brawl yet Saturday when Barack Obama charged Hillary Rodham Clinton with mud-slinging "swift boat" politics and intimidation - an accusation the New York senator sharply denied and said dramatized Obama's unreadiness for the nation's top office.
The set-to kicked off after syndicated newspaper columnist Robert Novak, in an item to appear today, wrote that "agents of Sen. Hillary Clinton are spreading the word in Democratic circles that she has scandalous information about her principal opponent for the party's presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, but has decided not to use it."
The columnist suggested that "this word-of-mouth among Democrats makes Obama look vulnerable and Clinton look prudent," and said that Clinton's strategy appeared to be aimed at wanting to "avoid a repetition of 2004, when attacks on each other by presidential candidates Howard Dean and Richard Gephardt were mutually destructive and facilitated John Kerry's nomination."
Reached on Saturday, Novak would not reveal the source of the item but said the information did not come directly from the Clinton camp. "(It) was said to Democratic sources ... by people inside the Clinton campaign," he said. "It was not specified what it was, and it was said to a Democratic source. Clinton would not reveal it because she is such a good person."
Still, the Novak piece prompted an aggressive response from Obama, who - in an unusual move - released a six-paragraph statement that flatly accused Clinton of political hypocrisy and dirty tactics.
Obama's statement said that during the Democratic debate here Thursday, even as Clinton railed against "the politics of throwing mud," her campaign appeared to be either digging for dirt on his personal life or working in conjunction with Novak to intimidate him.
"If the purpose of this shameless item was to daunt or discourage me or supporters of our campaign from challenging and changing the politics of Washington, it will fail. In fact, it will only serve to steel our resolve," the Illinois senator said. He urged Clinton to "either make public any and all information referred to in the item, or concede the truth: that there is none."
And in his toughest attack on her yet, Obama added that "the cause of change in this country will not be deterred or sidetracked by the old 'swift boat' politics. The cause of moving America forward demands that we defeat it."
"Swift boat" refers to the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth," a group of veterans who disparaged the Vietnam War record of 2004 presidential candidate Kerry, D-Mass.
Clinton, who was campaigning for the support of union workers in Las Vegas on Saturday before heading to California, quickly refuted Obama's statement.
As the senator was about the accept the endorsement of the International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers, Jay Carson, a spokesman for Clinton, said her campaign categorically denied the Obama statement and the suggestion in the Novak column.
"Do you really think Bob Novak will be the repository of information about the Clinton campaign?" he said. "We have no contact with Bob Novak; we don't have any idea what this column is based on. ... We have absolutely no idea what the reference is in this column. None," he said. "This column is wholly baseless."'
With less than two months before the crucial Jan. 3 Iowa caucus, Saturday's exchange reveals the escalating tensions between Clinton and Obama, who are virtually tied in Iowa.
Clinton didn't address Obama's statement in her Las Vegas appearances, but she did take some direct shots at her rival. "My health care plan covers every American," she said. "Sen. Obama's doesn't."
Clinton's campaign accused Obama of using Republican talking points with the Novak column.
"These are the kinds of attacks that Republicans engage in, and the kinds of traps they set for Democratic candidates," Carson said. "A Republican-leaning columnist puts out a statement, a baseless statement accusing Sen. Clinton of some sort of activity. ... What (Obama) is doing is parroting Republican talking points."
Carson suggested that the tactic - coming from a candidate who has trumpeted "the politics of hope" - was a symptom of Obama's inexperience, and he suggested Obama is untested for the tough road ahead.
"Democratic candidates who don't know how to avoid traps like this are not going to do very well in a general election against Republicans," Carson said, adding that Obama should "get back to issues."
That prompted Obama campaign manger David Plouffe to charge Clinton's campaign with "evasion and deflection," and he demanded an answer to "two simple direct questions: Are 'agents' of their campaign spreading these rumors? And do they have 'scandalous' information that they are not releasing? Yes or no."
Carson's response: "No and no. ... You have to seriously question the experience of a candidate who would fall into this Republican trap."
The Obama campaign appeared to back off late Saturday, saying of the Clinton camp, "we take them at their word."
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7. When writers of a column can effect politics with lies, and innuendos this weakens honest politics, and supports slanderous writers, who are able to remain out of reach from negative outcomes.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
1. But Novak is a *Under-minder*, he *Under-minded* GW Bush with the whole Plame affair.
2. Now he has started in on Obama.
3. I think his brand of politics should be dealt with severally.
4. They should put this man on trial for slander, and throw his ass into jail for 20 years.
5. When people act like they are innocent, and bring up false slanderous stories, that indeed harm others, they should be held accountable.
6. Check this out:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/11/18/MNUTTEMT6.DTL
"
Obama accuses Clinton campaign of mud-slinging with Novak column
Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer
Sunday, November 18, 2007
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(11-18) 04:00 PST Las Vegas --
The Democratic presidential race burst into its angriest brawl yet Saturday when Barack Obama charged Hillary Rodham Clinton with mud-slinging "swift boat" politics and intimidation - an accusation the New York senator sharply denied and said dramatized Obama's unreadiness for the nation's top office.
The set-to kicked off after syndicated newspaper columnist Robert Novak, in an item to appear today, wrote that "agents of Sen. Hillary Clinton are spreading the word in Democratic circles that she has scandalous information about her principal opponent for the party's presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, but has decided not to use it."
The columnist suggested that "this word-of-mouth among Democrats makes Obama look vulnerable and Clinton look prudent," and said that Clinton's strategy appeared to be aimed at wanting to "avoid a repetition of 2004, when attacks on each other by presidential candidates Howard Dean and Richard Gephardt were mutually destructive and facilitated John Kerry's nomination."
Reached on Saturday, Novak would not reveal the source of the item but said the information did not come directly from the Clinton camp. "(It) was said to Democratic sources ... by people inside the Clinton campaign," he said. "It was not specified what it was, and it was said to a Democratic source. Clinton would not reveal it because she is such a good person."
Still, the Novak piece prompted an aggressive response from Obama, who - in an unusual move - released a six-paragraph statement that flatly accused Clinton of political hypocrisy and dirty tactics.
Obama's statement said that during the Democratic debate here Thursday, even as Clinton railed against "the politics of throwing mud," her campaign appeared to be either digging for dirt on his personal life or working in conjunction with Novak to intimidate him.
"If the purpose of this shameless item was to daunt or discourage me or supporters of our campaign from challenging and changing the politics of Washington, it will fail. In fact, it will only serve to steel our resolve," the Illinois senator said. He urged Clinton to "either make public any and all information referred to in the item, or concede the truth: that there is none."
And in his toughest attack on her yet, Obama added that "the cause of change in this country will not be deterred or sidetracked by the old 'swift boat' politics. The cause of moving America forward demands that we defeat it."
"Swift boat" refers to the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth," a group of veterans who disparaged the Vietnam War record of 2004 presidential candidate Kerry, D-Mass.
Clinton, who was campaigning for the support of union workers in Las Vegas on Saturday before heading to California, quickly refuted Obama's statement.
As the senator was about the accept the endorsement of the International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers, Jay Carson, a spokesman for Clinton, said her campaign categorically denied the Obama statement and the suggestion in the Novak column.
"Do you really think Bob Novak will be the repository of information about the Clinton campaign?" he said. "We have no contact with Bob Novak; we don't have any idea what this column is based on. ... We have absolutely no idea what the reference is in this column. None," he said. "This column is wholly baseless."'
With less than two months before the crucial Jan. 3 Iowa caucus, Saturday's exchange reveals the escalating tensions between Clinton and Obama, who are virtually tied in Iowa.
Clinton didn't address Obama's statement in her Las Vegas appearances, but she did take some direct shots at her rival. "My health care plan covers every American," she said. "Sen. Obama's doesn't."
Clinton's campaign accused Obama of using Republican talking points with the Novak column.
"These are the kinds of attacks that Republicans engage in, and the kinds of traps they set for Democratic candidates," Carson said. "A Republican-leaning columnist puts out a statement, a baseless statement accusing Sen. Clinton of some sort of activity. ... What (Obama) is doing is parroting Republican talking points."
Carson suggested that the tactic - coming from a candidate who has trumpeted "the politics of hope" - was a symptom of Obama's inexperience, and he suggested Obama is untested for the tough road ahead.
"Democratic candidates who don't know how to avoid traps like this are not going to do very well in a general election against Republicans," Carson said, adding that Obama should "get back to issues."
That prompted Obama campaign manger David Plouffe to charge Clinton's campaign with "evasion and deflection," and he demanded an answer to "two simple direct questions: Are 'agents' of their campaign spreading these rumors? And do they have 'scandalous' information that they are not releasing? Yes or no."
Carson's response: "No and no. ... You have to seriously question the experience of a candidate who would fall into this Republican trap."
The Obama campaign appeared to back off late Saturday, saying of the Clinton camp, "we take them at their word."
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7. When writers of a column can effect politics with lies, and innuendos this weakens honest politics, and supports slanderous writers, who are able to remain out of reach from negative outcomes.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas