I passionently believe that many american women dress inappropriately each day

[actsnoblemartin]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21834395/?GT1=10547

[Mr. P]

Yer jealous. :slap:

[actsnoblemartin]

No i simply think women should dress lady like.


Yer jealous. :slap:

[actsnoblemartin]

The so-called woman was dressed like a whore And is typical of how many women dress including mothers and daughters, its a shame that most women dress that way

[Mr. P]

You're either drinking or a controlling bastard...which is it?

[darin]

Dude - you are WAY off base. That woman was NOT 'dressed like a a whore'. She was dressed tastefully.

regards to playboy: So what?

[actsnoblemartin]

im not even going to dignify that with a response


You're either drinking or a controlling bastard...which is it?

[actsnoblemartin]

considering, the southwest attendant and cnn person interviewing her said they could see her panties.

[darin]

The so-called woman was dressed like a whore And is typical of how many women dress including mothers and daughters, its a shame many people dont have morals and values. Women need to stop needing to be sexy all the time, and then whining when men look, and stop dressing like whores, and then wonder why they are treated thay way



simple dress code: cover up down youre knees, show no underwear, and no cleavage. Its time for women to take responsibility and dress and act like ladies.


have you ever spoken to a woman without being forced to give your credit-card number? this false moral ground you're creating is dumb. :( relax.


considering, the southwest attendant and cnn person interviewing her said they could see her panties. And the fact, she was dressed like a whore.

You are either an idiot, or very stubborn.

Your entitled to your opinion, but dont you dare say im wrong, because its my opinion and since you wanna call me off base.

Apparently, you will let your wife or dress like a whore, i wont!


You ARE wrong. Your opinion is yours, but your opinion on what is or isnt "whore-dress" is wrong. It's off base.

[actsnoblemartin]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree, as far as playboy goes. It is disgusting for a woman to pose naked for any other man then her husband, in my humble opinion


Dude - you are WAY off base. That woman was NOT 'dressed like a a whore'. She was dressed tastefully.

regards to playboy: So what?

[actsnoblemartin]

I dont wanna relax, im angry :laugh2:


have you ever spoken to a woman without being forced to give your credit-card number? this false moral ground you're creating is dumb. :( relax.




You ARE wrong. Your opinion is yours, but your opinion on what is or isnt "whore-dress" is wrong. It's off base.

[darin]

she was dressed tastefully for a hooker on el cajon boulevard, but sadly YOURE way off base, not me

...would you be an expert on hookers?

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb79/nospheratt/Latina/Kyla_Ebbert_clothing_2.jpg

Do you watch COPs? Hookers wear everything everybody else wears...they are just typically fatter and uglier than the average woman.

Martin, is mary dressed like a whore in this pic?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=668&stc=1&d=1193707851

There's not a lot of difference between the outfits.

[actsnoblemartin]

My morals come from the torah, from god.

God said, put no stumbling block in front of the blind, and women do that every day with men.

even without the religious argument, I believe it is immoral to behave and dress in a slutatious mannor that most women do today. If a woman wants to be treated like a lady, she must dress and act like one.

[actsnoblemartin]

im sorry dmp, but you got me on one most passionate issues.

[mrg666]

...would you be an expert on hookers?

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb79/nospheratt/Latina/Kyla_Ebbert_clothing_2.jpg

Do you watch COPs? Hookers wear everything everybody else wears...they are just typically fatter and uglier than the average woman.

Martin, is mary dressed like a whore in this pic?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=668&stc=1&d=1193707851

There's not a lot of difference between the outfits.

thats a dirty whore :D

n i dont mean mary

[OCA]

...would you be an expert on hookers?

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb79/nospheratt/Latina/Kyla_Ebbert_clothing_2.jpg

Do you watch COPs? Hookers wear everything everybody else wears...they are just typically fatter and uglier than the average woman.

Martin, is mary dressed like a whore in this pic?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=668&stc=1&d=1193707851

There's not a lot of difference between the outfits.


OH HELL YEAH!

Darin................cop a feel off of her tonight for me, will ya?:laugh2:

[OCA]

Acts is a faggot, only a faggot could feel this way.

Gals in playboy and Gals who occasionally get dolled up, wear some spikey heels and show a little skin are hotter than shit!

[mrg666]

ya lecherous greek bastard:laugh2:

[CockySOB]

Martin, is mary dressed like a whore in this pic?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=668&stc=1&d=1193707851

There's not a lot of difference between the outfits.

OK now... DAMN! Mary is lookin' F-I-N-E! I second OCA's sentiment - cop a feel for me as well! It's the American thing to do, right? :salute:

[darin]

im sorry dmp, but you got me on one most passionate issues.

So - is she dressed like a whore?

Ya know, it seems to me, YOUR problem with lust may be dictating what OTHER people do or how they dress...just a speculation. I apologize if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. :)

[actsnoblemartin]

have you ever spoken to a woman without being forced to give your credit-card number? this false moral ground you're creating is dumb. relax.

Thats mean. I talk to women all the time, I simply have different standards then you which is fine.

we might as well just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

I respect you, and youre beliefs but passionently disagree.

[actsnoblemartin]

no need to be sorry. youre fine, if im acting like a dick, tell me and ill apologize.

I like ya, but you know how politics are

:salute:

p.s. what does this mean?

Ya know, it seems to me, YOUR problem with lust may be dictating what OTHER people do or how they dress...just a speculation. I apologize if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=dmp;157490]So - is she dressed like a whore?

[hjmick]

I suppose if she had been raped you would be saying she was asking for it.

[actsnoblemartin]

its jewish basterd to you :laugh2:

:lol:


ya lecherous greek bastard:laugh2:

[actsnoblemartin]

no, but on the same token you dont put yourself in bad situations, and expect something good to happen either.

If you think im ok with rape, your the one off base :laugh2:

I dont really like baseball dmp and hjmick


I suppose if she had been raped you would be saying she was asking for it.

[Missileman]

Apparently you think god is wrong too, I think you are the one who is wrong and off base.

It was Adam and Eve that decided to cover up...it wasn't God's idea. At least that how the story's told.

[mrg666]

its jewish basterd to you :laugh2:

:lol:

martin you a jewish bastard
oca a greek bastard :D

[Mr. P]

martin you a jewish bastard
oca a greek bastard :D

Gotta be drunk he can't follow his own asinine thread. :laugh2:

[OCA]

OK now... DAMN! Mary is lookin' F-I-N-E! I second OCA's sentiment - cop a feel for me as well! It's the American thing to do, right? :salute:

Cocky, truth be known, I copped a feel off of her when I went to dinner with Darin and her in D.C., did it when we were all buzzed and I was giving Mary a hug goodbye.

To be fair I got home and told my wife that she owed Darin a feel:laugh2:

[Said1]

Martin, why do you start these threads? And don't say 'because I can post whatever I want'. Anyway, no one ever agrees with you and you often post very offensive comments within them.The thread title for example, is offensive. To me at least.

As for the outfit, a little daring, but so what. If it was me, the skirt would be a tad longer (an inch? :laugh2: ) but that's about it. I don't look at women and think 'slut'.

[actsnoblemartin]

Mary is hotter then the other one.


thats a dirty whore :D

n i dont mean mary

[OCA]

Acts only likes women when they are getting dp'd in a video.

[actsnoblemartin]

that was when they sinned.

But god said, the women should only pose naked for her husband, while today many women are posing half naked, and naked for men alot.


It was Adam and Eve that decided to cover up...it wasn't God's idea. At least that how the story's told.

[82Marine89]

I can only guess where this one is heading...

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/52186004/pet_steel_cage.jpg

[PostmodernProphet]

God said, put no stumbling block in front of the blind

somehow, I doubt her attire was a problem for a blind man.....

[actsnoblemartin]

You are absolutely right :lol:

:dance:


martin you a jewish bastard
oca a greek bastard :D

[mrg666]

Martin, why do you start these threads? And don't say 'because I can post whatever I want'. Anyway, no one ever agrees with you and you often post very offensive comments within them.The thread title for example, is offensive. To me at least.

As for the outfit, a little daring, but so what. If it was me, the skirt would be a tad longer (an inch? :laugh2: ) but that's about it. I don't look at women and think 'slut'.

hey said we all know you the board hussy.inch longer or not :laugh2::laugh2:

[actsnoblemartin]

Women know men are visual and look and use their bodies to get negative attention, and then those same women whine and cry because we see them as sex objects.


somehow, I doubt her attire was a problem for a blind man.....

[Cheyenne]

The thread title for example, is offensive. To me at least.As is to me.

[Kathianne]

that was when they sinned.

But god said, the women should only pose naked for her husband, while today many women are posing half naked, and naked for men alot.

Oh dear, you are losing sleep like those poor Muslims when their women throw off the berka?

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19800/islamic-extremism-14



KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Malaysia’s Muslim men are suffering sleepless nights and cannot pray properly because their thoughts are distracted by a growing number of women who wear sexy clothes in public, a prominent cleric said....His party’s Web site published an illustration Wednesday of how women should dress — in long, flowing headscarves covering their hair and chests and “baggy and loose” long-sleeved, floor-length dresses.

Most women from Malaysia’s Malay Muslim majority wear a modest form of Islamic clothing, though younger women in cities sometimes wear body-hugging dresses or tight T-shirts and jeans.

In Kelantan, the Islamic party has fined Muslim women for not wearing headscarves in workplaces and implemented separate check-out lines for men and women in supermarkets.

[actsnoblemartin]

i have a.d.d. :coffee: so give me a break here, i need a minute to get my thoughts together, i am not drunk.


Gotta be drunk he can't follow his own asinine thread. :laugh2:

[Kathianne]

As is to me.

Yep and not the first. It's been complained about before, to Martin. Yet he chooses to continue to do such.

[actsnoblemartin]

Well, Because I think its important, and im angry about the way many women dress.

I dont look at every woman and think slut, but when i see a woman dressed like a nurse i think nurse, as a business woman, business woman, as a lady, ladylike, as un-ladylike, the same.

Im sorry you feel offended, and perhaps, I could have been nicer in my choice of thread titles, but I dont see how it matters who agrees with me.

I made this thread for myself.

No one is forced to read it, or respond to it.

Most women, dress worse then the two examples shown so far. But I have my idea of what a lady is, and if you think im full of shit, fine.


Martin, why do you start these threads? And don't say 'because I can post whatever I want'. Anyway, no one ever agrees with you and you often post very offensive comments within them.The thread title for example, is offensive. To me at least.

As for the outfit, a little daring, but so what. If it was me, the skirt would be a tad longer (an inch? :laugh2: ) but that's about it. I don't look at women and think 'slut'.

[actsnoblemartin]

I think youre being un-fair. I never said anything about berka's

QUOTE=Kathianne;157517]Oh dear, you are losing sleep like those poor Muslims when their women throw off the berka?

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19800/islamic-extremism-14[/QUOTE]

[OCA]

i have a.d.d. :coffee: so if you cant actually contribute anything to the thread other then personal attacks, why not find a thread to actually contribute too?

You know what Acts? Go fuck yourself! If you are gonna piss and moan to Jimmy each time I call you retard and that you want to be treated normal then quit using your condition as an excuse as to why you post some of the ridiculous shit that you do.

If you refer to your condition as an excuse once more i'm gonna consider it permission for me to go off on said condition like never before.

[actsnoblemartin]

nobody ever said to me, please dont make threads about how american women dress and act.

Not to my knowledge atleast.

I admit i could have said my title more diplomatically, but i am not seeing alot of willngness by many in this thread to discuss the real issue(s)

Rather just personally attack me, oh im so horrible
:coffee:

Yep and not the first. It's been complained about before, to Martin. Yet he chooses to continue to do such.

[Cheyenne]

....
Women know men are visual and look and use their bodies to get negative attention, and then those same women whine and cry because we see them as sex objects.

I wasn't going to respond but this is irritating me.

Yes, there are some women that dress suggestively, showing waaay too much. But surely you realize that most of these women HAVE to dress that way. They think so little of themselves that they think that's the only way they can get the attention of a man. It's rather sad. These are not the women that get upset being called "sex objects".

And yet there are some women that could tie a rope around a feed sack and men would still fawn all over them. They are attractive, have a personality, treat others with respect, like they're human beings.

I was told once, "A man is more interested in a woman who is truly interested in him than he is in a woman with pretty legs". I find that to be true.
VERY blessed is the man that can find both in the same woman.

[Trigg]

The so-called woman was dressed like a whore And is typical of how many women dress including mothers and daughters, its a shame that most women act that way

MOST women do not dress this way. Go to a mall and besides the teenagers look around at the other women.

You have a problem with the way this women is dressed, your entitled to your oppinion. Why pull every other woman in the US into the argument???

IMO the skirt is extremely short and she would have a hard time not showing her panties when she sat down.

[Kathianne]

I think youre being un-fair. I never said anything about berka's

QUOTE=Kathianne;157517]Oh dear, you are losing sleep like those poor Muslims when their women throw off the berka?

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19800/islamic-extremism-14[/QUOTE]

Maybe I exaggerated cause I'm 'angry' at your title and quoting about God at the same time. However, it does seem like you'd agree in principle with this:


...Most women from Malaysia’s Malay Muslim majority wear a modest form of Islamic clothing, though younger women in cities sometimes wear body-hugging dresses or tight T-shirts and jeans.

In Kelantan, the Islamic party has fined Muslim women for not wearing headscarves in workplaces and implemented separate check-out lines for men and women in supermarkets...

[Kathianne]

nobody ever said to me, please dont make threads about how american women dress and act.

Not to my knowledge atleast.

I admit i could have said my title more diplomatically, but i am not seeing alot of willngness by many in this thread to discuss the real issue(s)

Rather just personally attack me, oh im so horrible
:coffee:

Title Martin, title. :coffee:

[CockySOB]

Women know men are visual and look and use their bodies to get negative attention, and then those same women whine and cry because we see them as sex objects.

Couldn't possibly be because the men in their lives were not loving, honoring nor respecting those women, could it? Couldn't possibly be that these women are crying out for a little love and attention and that it's the guys who are using/abusing them?

Pretty one-sided view you have, Martin. You might want to consider that male-female relations are a two-way street, and you cannot simply off-load the responsibility on the women. Man up, boy, and look at the big picture.

[Said1]

Well, Because I think its important, and im angry about the way many women dress.

I dont look at every woman and think slut, but when i see a woman dressed like a nurse i think nurse, as a business woman, business woman, as a lady, ladylike, as un-ladylike, the same.

Im sorry you feel offended, and perhaps, I could have been nicer in my choice of thread titles, but I dont see how it matters who agrees with me.

I made this thread for myself.

No one is forced to read it, or respond to it.

Most women, dress worse then the two examples shown so far. But I have my idea of what a lady is, and if you think im full of shit, fine.


What about the nurse or businesswomen who dress like that outside of work?

Are you talking to a professional about your obvious aggression and hatred towards women? You obviously have a fixation on more than just porn as far as women are concerned. Seriously, some of the stuff you write really give me the creeps. I'm sure you're really a nice guy and all, just devulging a side of yourself I'd rather not see.

[actsnoblemartin]

Youre an intelligent woman, why should you be quiet, if you something to say. If you think im wrong say so.

I appreciate the feedback, Infact i find what you wrote here to be true for the most part.

It is elequent, and smart.

Nice job


I wasn't going to respond but this is irritating me.

Yes, there are some women that dress suggestively, showing waaay too much. But surely you realize that most of these women HAVE to dress that way. They think so little of themselves that they think that's the only way they can get the attention of a man. It's rather sad. These are not the women that get upset being called "sex objects".

And yet there are some women that could tie a rope around a feed sack and men would still fawn all over them. They are attractive, have a personality, treat others with respect, like they're human beings.

I was told once, "A man is more interested in a woman who is truly interested in him than he is in a woman with pretty legs". I find that to be true.
VERY blessed is the man that can find both in the same woman.

[PostmodernProphet]

apparently, you either have never read the bible

/chuckles....I have been known to page through it from time to time....and follow a rabbi who would have had lunch with this woman......though, I expect you would have neg repped him on it (Matthew 9:11)

[actsnoblemartin]

Alright. What percentage of american women do you believe to dress inappropriately.

oh and for the record, I did not say all women.

I believe alot of women dress this way, but if im proven wrong, ill apologize.


MOST women do not dress this way. Go to a mall and besides the teenagers look around at the other women.

You have a problem with the way this women is dressed, your entitled to your oppinion. Why pull every other woman in the US into the argument???

IMO the skirt is extremely short and she would have a hard time not showing her panties when she sat down.

[actsnoblemartin]

fair enough, i acted like a complete moron for not using more discretion in my choice of words for the title. But I am sure you and most women on the board, dont think i hate them because their women, or look down on them infact, I get along with the vast majority of women on this board.



Maybe I exaggerated cause I'm 'angry' at your title and quoting about God at the same time. However, it does seem like you'd agree in principle with this:[/QUOTE]

I agree wholeheartedly, i even wrote n.o.w. about it (national organization of women)

[actsnoblemartin]

Men have alot of responsibility of course.

Men should respect women who act like ladies, but I dont believe men should use or abuse anyone, nor should they be with a women who doesnt respect herself and her body.

I am disgusted by men who fornicate, and then dont pay child support and arent in the kids lives.

I dont mean to be one-sided, but i guess i could stop obsesing about this issue :laugh2:


Couldn't possibly be because the men in their lives were not loving, honoring nor respecting those women, could it? Couldn't possibly be that these women are crying out for a little love and attention and that it's the guys who are using/abusing them?

Pretty one-sided view you have, Martin. You might want to consider that male-female relations are a two-way street, and you cannot simply off-load the responsibility on the women. Man up, boy, and look at the big picture.

[Classact]

I haven't read all the posts on this topic but I think generally that American women like to act like whores... When I was a teenager I had a lot of dates with American girls and a few were strait up and would tell you that you aren't getting in my panties but the majority would play the game that if you spend enough money on me I'll give you some...

Got drafted and sent to Korea and there wasn't anything to do but chase the whores and drink beer... sometimes I'd hit two in one night and right away I noticed something, if I treated them the way I treated an American girl on a date they were up front just like the up front American girls... they would let you know I'm doing this to make money or I like you and enjoy our time together and if you are short of money it's OK. After dating hundreds of these whores in Korea I returned to the US and went out on dates and found that a majority of the women were trading sex for money or for commitment and it had nothing to do with whatever feeling they may have for you. I rounded off the odds and considered them all whores not worthily of sorting out since they didn't say up front how they felt.

I ended up marring a Korean woman in the states and as it turned out she was later tainted by NOW liberalism and started using sex as a tool... divorced her like the American woman she turned into... then I married a German girl who was up front and that worked out great until she was up front with some other man while I was out of town. Divorced her too... Then I met my wife and true love that I share my life with now... We are talking up front from beginning to end as opposed to... this is what I have and what are you willing to pay or do to get it?

When I watch CNN or Fox News and see the little whores, with their nice educations criss crossing their legs and pushing up their tits I think to myself I'd prefer a Korean whore who was up front and simply just say it cost this much or I like you a lot and you can have me if I can have you.

[Trigg]

Alright. What percentage of american women do you believe to dress inappropriately.

oh and for the record, I did not say all women.

I believe alot of women dress this way, but if im proven wrong, ill apologize.

Walking through the mall last weekend, hardly any young girls stood out to me as dressed suggestively, and yes, I would have commented on someone with a skirt as short as the girl you posted. It was VERY short. I have to say the goth couple walking around got my attention more than anyone else.

Maybe a lot of women dress that way in California, or maybe they make a strong impression on you when you see them.

That is why I suggested you REALLY look around next time your at the mall or walking down the street, did the 5 "slutty" ones stand out and they're the only ones you remember, instead of the 50 regularly dressed women?

[actsnoblemartin]

I dont think women should dress in an inappropriate mannor, at work, not at work.

I dont think women should dress that way, because it sends a negative message, and tempts men as well. Also for the religious and moral reasons, which im not sure if anyone understands, or maybe just disagrees.

I have an agressions towards everyone :), and i dont hate women.

I dislike some of the things, that some of them do. But also love women who are sweet kind and nuturing, and im trying to be nice, and kind, to the good women, while staying away from the bad ones.

I havent watched porn lately, and dont like watching it, because it is degrading to men and women.

Im sorry that im coming accross in a mean or creepy way, im not 100% sure why you are creeped out, but ill try to be more diplomatic, and consider the woman on this boards's feeling more in the future.

as i said, i get along very well with most women on this board


What about the nurse or businesswomen who dress like that outside of work?

Are you talking to a professional about your obvious aggression and hatred towards women? You obviously have a fixation on more than just porn as far as women are concerned. Seriously, some of the stuff you write really give me the creeps. I'm sure you're really a nice guy and all, just devulging a side of yourself I'd rather not see.

[actsnoblemartin]

Im sorry, i was being more then a bit arrogant when i wrote that.


/chuckles....I have been known to page through it from time to time....and follow a rabbi who would have had lunch with this woman......though, I expect you would have neg repped him on it (Matthew 9:11)

[PostmodernProphet]

Im sorry, i was being more then a bit arrogant when i wrote that.

apology accepted....me and my teacher will take you out to lunch to celebrate.....

[actsnoblemartin]

your a standup person

thanks

:clap:


apology accepted....me and my teacher will take you out to lunch to celebrate.....

[darin]

So Martin - Was mary dressed like a whore or not? if not, what about her outfit is significantly different than what Kyla wore?



You dont put a stumbling block in front of a man




That's the SECOND most mis-used, out-of-context scripture EVER. People use that to keep from having to change. As an example:

"Instead of "me" dealing with my LUST problems, Women should have to wear burkas or clothes OTHERWISE approved by Me."

See the problem? I'd be blaming MY sin on the acts of others.

[actsnoblemartin]

I think she was dress a bit inappropriately, but no she was not dressed like a whore.

kylie was, the shorts were way to short, and you could see her panties

then she poses for playboy, she has no morals or class in my opinion

[CockySOB]

I think she was dress a bit inappropriately, but no she was not dressed like a whore.

and yes she is hot.

Don't go coveting another man's wife....

[darin]

I think she was dress a bit inappropriately, but no she was not dressed like a whore.

and yes she is hot.

Inappropriately for what? She was dressed spot-on appropriate. Context dictates. FWIW, I've taken her to dinner in that outfit - she had a slightly different top on, however..and no pale/goth look. :)

Okay - But - why is her outfit different than Kyla's from this story?

Both were thigh-high skirts. Both had tight tops - mary showed more cleavage....

Don't have a double-standard.

Mary's not hot. She's attractive. :)

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,






You know what Acts? Go fuck yourself! If you are gonna piss and moan to Jimmy each time I call you retard and that you want to be treated normal then quit using your condition as an excuse as to why you post some of the ridiculous shit that you do.

If you refer to your condition as an excuse once more i'm gonna consider it permission for me to go off on said condition like never before.




1. More proof of, *LOSERSHIP*, you own it old rant buddy.
2. Face it, you can't resist.
3. Pointless even pointing it out, because you'll never see it.
4. Remember, *The Great CWN* told you before, you need to grow up someday.
5. What a wasted life.
6. People like you end up dead all by yourself, when they learn you died, they say, *So*.
7. Reminds of the guy they found dead the other day, they still don't know who he is, had a mohawk.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. But both women dressed very sexy.
2. Both have sexual desires that they publicize openly so men will give them extra notice.
3. Neither one of these women are conservative women, and I would be very suspect of them for a wife.
4. Of course I am already married, but how you present yourself visually is a fair example how you are inside.
5. So if you wear skimpy clothing, expect from that person a rather shallow superficial personality.
6. Expect for that person to also be demanding things in return.
7. Expect to be kicked in the nuts in reality or just figuratively.
8. Either way you will know it when it happens.
9. These views and opinions aren't meant to attack ones girl friend, just being honest and sharing my opinion.
10. If you want a nice wife, find one that isn't hanging out boobies all over the place, or not wearing underwear, so the pauperizes can get a snatch shot!:laugh2:

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[avatar4321]

...would you be an expert on hookers?

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb79/nospheratt/Latina/Kyla_Ebbert_clothing_2.jpg

Do you watch COPs? Hookers wear everything everybody else wears...they are just typically fatter and uglier than the average woman.

Martin, is mary dressed like a whore in this pic?

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=668&stc=1&d=1193707851

There's not a lot of difference between the outfits.

actually there is several inches more on Mary's outfit. And not a surprise, Mary looks better.

How did you trick her into giving you the time of day again?

[darin]

actually there is several inches more on Mary's outfit. And not a surprise, Mary looks better.

How did you trick her into giving you the time of day again?

In the legs, yes. But mary's showing cleavage. You can see the whole upper inside part of each bewb. :)

Time of day? It's cuz i'm playfully-witty, passionate, wasn't bad-looking, and...AND...I'm a Vet.

:D

[Cheyenne]

I dont think women should dress in an inappropriate mannor, at work, not at work. What you might deem inappropriate may not be considered so by another. Cleavage does not equate whore.

I currently know 2 'business' women that you would never know what they do by the way they dress; suits, slacks & blouses; very respectable, always covered. You'd never guess what they do just by looking at them.

[avatar4321]

In the legs, yes. But mary's showing cleavage. You can see the whole upper inside part of each bewb. :)

Time of day? It's cuz i'm playfully-witty, passionate, wasn't bad-looking, and...AND...I'm a Vet.

:D

so what's the real reason? jk;)

and i guess i didnt notice her bewbs or whatever.

[darin]

so what's the real reason? jk;)

and i guess i didnt notice her bewbs or whatever.

I dunno if that's an insult or not! :D Or, you're just being a gentleman.

either way,

:beer: to ya!

[Pale Rider]

It is disgusting for a woman to pose naked for any other man then her husband, in my humble opinion
I agree. The core reason for doing such a thing is for a cheap sexual thrill to a male or lesbian viewer, and money for the woman posing, selling herself and her dignity.

However, it's totally up to the woman as to whether or not she'd want to do such a thing. But after she does, my opinion of her will be one of less honor. I'll look more at her as a woman of lower moral character.

I'd NEVER allow my wife to pose naked in pictures to be published for public viewing. If she felt strongly enough about doing it and went against my will, we wouldn't be married anymore.

[Nukeman]

Martin you are such a freaking hypocrit and I cant believe noone has called you on this yet with this thread being 4 pages long.


here is a direct quote from you on another thread.




whats wrong with naked women and erections, without them , you wouldnt be here

I will ask everyone to remember most of your earlier post and the direction they went....

Get off your high horse and shut up please

[carbonbased]

That's the SECOND most mis-used, out-of-context scripture EVER.

No one asked! What is the first?

[Hagbard Celine]

considering, the southwest attendant and cnn person interviewing her said they could see her panties. And the fact, she was dressed like a whore.

You are either an idiot, or very stubborn.

Your entitled to your opinion, but dont you dare say im wrong, because its my opinion and since you wanna call me off base.

Apparently, you will let your wife or dress like a whore, i wont!

And you're entitled to yours, but a prudish opinion doesn't give anyone the right to inflict that opinion onto a grown woman simply because they are so consumed with unjustified self-righteousness that they think it's their job to dictate how grown women dress and what constitutes a "whore."
This is one of the most offensive things I've ever seen and you should be ashamed. Just because a woman dresses sexy doesn't make her a "whore." Get a life you nitwit.

[darin]

No one asked! What is the first?

"...do not judge..."

:)

[darin]

I'd NEVER allow my wife to pose naked in pictures to be published for public viewing. If she felt strongly enough about doing it and went against my will, we wouldn't be married anymore.

wow..mary's been asking me to shoot a couple abstract dudes of her to hang in our bathroom; shots like Karin Rosenthal takes/makes:

http://www.thefrasergallery.com/artwork/Squiggle.JPG

http://www.ultimateeyefoundation.com/KarinR.jpg

Context dictates.

[Cheyenne]

.....However, it's totally up to the woman as to whether or not she'd want to do such a thing. But after she does, my opinion of her will be one of less honor. I'll look more at her as a woman of lower moral character.And yet you are fascinated by Melissa Scott.

[Abbey Marie]

Martin, I don't know if you edited comments out of the OP which were deemed offensive, but I don't find your title in itself offensive. There is a modicum of truth to it. However, I think most American women dress decently, at least in the places I frequent. Things may be different in L.A., for example, or in clubs. Now women in the media is another story altogether.

If people can clearly see your undies when you sit, you are probably dressed inappropriately for flying, where families are stuck and cannot choose to get away from your, uh, display. :coffee:

As for slutiness, I think that applies more to behavior than dress.

On a side note, if the woman in the article is only 23, she must have led a hard life. When I looked at the close up pic of her, I thought she was closer to 40.
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/070907/tdy_lauer_hooters_070907.300w.jpg

[Hagbard Celine]

Martin, I don't know if you edited comments out of the OP which were deemed offensive, but I don't find your title in itself offensive. There is a modicum of truth to it. However, I think most American women dress decently, at least in the places I frequent. Things may be different in L.A., for example, or in clubs.

If people can clearly see your undies when you sit, you are probably dressed inappropriately for flying, where families are stuck and cannot choose to get away from your, uh, display. :coffee:

As for slutiness, I think that applies more to behavior than dress.

On a side note, if the woman in the article is only 23, she must have led a hard life. When I looked at the close up pic of her, I thought she was closer to 40.
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/070907/tdy_lauer_hooters_070907.300w.jpg

I agree, she looks like she's been rode hard and hung out to dry :laugh:

[JackDaniels]

I've got $1000 that says Martin has never had a blowjob.

[Hagbard Celine]

Hot damn! She may have a busted face, but she's hiding a bangin' body under all those clothes :cool:

Warning: *NSFW*
http://www.buck1690.com/Kyla-Ebbert/

[Mr. P]

Hot damn! She may have a busted face, but she's hiding a bangin' body under all those clothes :cool:

Warning: *NSFW*
http://www.buck1690.com/Kyla-Ebbert/

Never did like fake tits..

[actsnoblemartin]

she is dressed more appropriately then kylie, in my humble opinion, and that is youre wife?


Inappropriately for what? She was dressed spot-on appropriate. Context dictates. FWIW, I've taken her to dinner in that outfit - she had a slightly different top on, however..and no pale/goth look. :)

Okay - But - why is her outfit different than Kyla's from this story?

Both were thigh-high skirts. Both had tight tops - mary showed more cleavage....

Don't have a double-standard.

Mary's not hot. She's attractive. :)

[darin]

she is dressed more appropriately then kylie, in my humble opinion, and that is your wife?

HOW??? Look at the dress: it's SLIGHTLY longer than Kyla's...yet mary's showing cleavage, where Kyla was completely covered on top. The 2nd girl is my wife, yes.


Never did like fake tits..

They are better than the alternative - even fake boob in-hand feels better than "no" boob. :)

[actsnoblemartin]

Mary barely showed any cleavage, kylie none

mary showed a bit of leg, kylie showed way too much leg

similar but i doubt anyone could see your wife's underwear

Kylie was dressed worse in my humble opinion


Inappropriately for what? She was dressed spot-on appropriate. Context dictates. FWIW, I've taken her to dinner in that outfit - she had a slightly different top on, however..and no pale/goth look. :)

Okay - But - why is her outfit different than Kyla's from this story?

Both were thigh-high skirts. Both had tight tops - mary showed more cleavage....

Don't have a double-standard.

Mary's not hot. She's attractive. :)

[Mr. P]

They are better than the alternative - even fake boob in-hand feels better than "no" boob. :)

A matter of taste I guess...All natural has always worked for me...But then, I tend to look beyond breast size when dealing with women. :poke:

[actsnoblemartin]

I agree with you 100%.


Sorry bout that,

1. But both women dressed very sexy.
2. Both have sexual desires that they publicize openly so men will give them extra notice.
3. Neither one of these women are conservative women, and I would be very suspect of them for a wife.
4. Of course I am already married, but how you present yourself visually is a fair example how you are inside.
5. So if you wear skimpy clothing, expect from that person a rather shallow superficial personality.
6. Expect for that person to also be demanding things in return.
7. Expect to be kicked in the nuts in reality or just figuratively.
8. Either way you will know it when it happens.
9. These views and opinions aren't meant to attack ones girl friend, just being honest and sharing my opinion.
10. If you want a nice wife, find one that isn't hanging out boobies all over the place, or not wearing underwear, so the pauperizes can get a snatch shot!:laugh2:

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[actsnoblemartin]

god bless you and thank you for your service.


In the legs, yes. But mary's showing cleavage. You can see the whole upper inside part of each bewb. :)

Time of day? It's cuz i'm playfully-witty, passionate, wasn't bad-looking, and...AND...I'm a Vet.

:D

[avatar4321]

I just wanted to make a few comments.

First, I think we, as individuals, have the personal responsibility to make sure we do not sin. If there is something that is a stumbling block for us, we need to avoid those situations, not blame others for creating them.

Second, I see nothing wrong with desiring or wanting women to be modest. As followers of Christ, I cannot see how purposely putting stumbling blocks in front of people can be good for their faith.

But in order to be sinning one has to have knowledge that its wrong and doing it anyway. I am not sure all women really understand how men react to them in little or no clothing because male and females are designed so differently. As men, we are very visual beings. Those women that do understand the reaction of men to how they look and still do it to intentionally cause them to all lust after them, they do sin.

Of course, I do think alot of what women wear is because men are always encouraging them to wear skimpy outfits rather than being modest. However, I think most women would be as beautiful, if not more beautiful, in modest clothing. They just dont get reinforced that view. They get continually told they have to expose themselves to get men to pay any attention to them. its a lie. The attention they get from it is probably not the attention they want because it comes directly from lust and not from love.

I think the best idea for people tempted by lust is to engage in the practice of Joseph of Egypt. When faced with temptation, He ran. Because he knew that it was the right thing to do.

(Keep in mind this applies in general situation. In specific situations, such as between a husband and wife, it's a completely different set of rules).

Lust is an emotion that needs to be bridled. Its hard to see that in the midst of the passion. But if its not bridled and you let lust control you, it can burn you and everything around you that you love if you aren't careful.

[actsnoblemartin]

Yeah, i know :lol:

I said, what I personally consider to be dressing like a whore.

Doesnt mean I think your opinion is wrong or have any less value then mine.

It means, its my definition of what i look for in a woman.

I am not saying, a woman who dresses like a whore , is an actual whore, but its still not a moral way to dress in my opinion.


What you might deem inappropriate may not be considered so by another. Cleavage does not equate whore.

I currently know 2 'business' women that you would never know what they do by the way they dress; suits, slacks & blouses; very respectable, always covered. You'd never guess what they do just by looking at them.

[actsnoblemartin]

exactly

:clap:


I agree. The core reason for doing such a thing is for a cheap sexual thrill to a male or lesbian viewer, and money for the woman posing, selling herself and her dignity.

However, it's totally up to the woman as to whether or not she'd want to do such a thing. But after she does, my opinion of her will be one of less honor. I'll look more at her as a woman of lower moral character.

I'd NEVER allow my wife to pose naked in pictures to be published for public viewing. If she felt strongly enough about doing it and went against my will, we wouldn't be married anymore.

[actsnoblemartin]

Your taking what i said out of context.

But for the record, i believe we are all hypocrites because, if we werent we would be perfect and only god is perfect. we all sin and have shortcummings in our lives.


Martin you are such a freaking hypocrit and I cant believe noone has called you on this yet with this thread being 4 pages long.


here is a direct quote from you on another thread.




I will ask everyone to remember most of your earlier post and the direction they went....

Get off your high horse and shut up please

[Mr. P]

A few of you just need to bring on the Burkas and be done with it.

[actsnoblemartin]

Im not inflicting an opinion, this is a political message board.

Im expressing a political opinion.

Get over yourself

:laugh2:

oh, and in case i wasnt clear, dressing like a whore is what im talking about, not whether she is actually sleeping around.


And you're entitled to yours, but a prudish opinion doesn't give anyone the right to inflict that opinion onto a grown woman simply because they are so consumed with unjustified self-righteousness that they think it's their job to dictate how grown women dress and what constitutes a "whore."
This is one of the most offensive things I've ever seen and you should be ashamed. Just because a woman dresses sexy doesn't make her a "whore." Get a life you nitwit.

[avatar4321]

A few of you just need to bring on the Burkas and be done with it.

if you want to wear burkas feel free. I dont think they look much better on men than women.

[darin]

Mary barely showed any cleavage, kylie none

mary showed a bit of leg, kylie showed way too much leg

similar but i doubt anyone could see your wife's underwear

Kylie was dressed worse in my humble opinion


Her bra is underwear. Can you see Kyla's undies?? I sure couldn't.

You're creating a problem w/ her dress where no reasonable problem exists

[actsnoblemartin]

I did a ton of editing to all my posts in here, because while i wanted to express my opinion, I felt bad that i wasnt more diplomatic.

California women are the worst, so are the men

I believe midwest men and women, and especially southern women and men are the best

the most godly/kind/friendly men and women are in texas


Martin, I don't know if you edited comments out of the OP which were deemed offensive, but I don't find your title in itself offensive. There is a modicum of truth to it. However, I think most American women dress decently, at least in the places I frequent. Things may be different in L.A., for example, or in clubs. Now women in the media is another story altogether.

If people can clearly see your undies when you sit, you are probably dressed inappropriately for flying, where families are stuck and cannot choose to get away from your, uh, display. :coffee:

As for slutiness, I think that applies more to behavior than dress.

On a side note, if the woman in the article is only 23, she must have led a hard life. When I looked at the close up pic of her, I thought she was closer to 40.
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/070907/tdy_lauer_hooters_070907.300w.jpg

[actsnoblemartin]

I'll take that bet.


I've got $1000 that says Martin has never had a blowjob.

[Mr. P]

if you want to wear burkas feel free. I dont think they look much better on men than women.

Yeah, you're one of em..

[actsnoblemartin]

I barely saw any cleavage.

I dont know if that was the picture, or i wasnt close up. im not talking trash, but that wasnt a aggregus violation of my standards of decency :lol:



HOW??? Look at the dress: it's SLIGHTLY longer than Kyla's...yet mary's showing cleavage, where Kyla was completely covered on top. The 2nd girl is my wife, yes.



They are better than the alternative - even fake boob in-hand feels better than "no" boob. :)

[actsnoblemartin]

:clap:, now you are classy sir.

When dealing with a woman is it her character... not her bra size that reveals the most about her


A matter of taste I guess...All natural has always worked for me...But then, I tend to look beyond breast size when dealing with women. :poke:

[Hagbard Celine]

Never did like fake tits..

I doubt you'd be complaining if they were bouncing up and down in your face.

[Mr. P]

I doubt you'd be complaining if they were bouncing up and down in your face.

It'll never happen...I'm repulsed by fake...especially ones that look like cantaloupes.

[darin]

I barely saw any cleavage.

I dont know if that was the picture, or i wasnt close up. im not talking trash, but that wasnt a aggregus violation of my standards of decency :lol:

Then your standards are messed up. On one hand, one woman you've never seen in person wears something SOMEBODY alleged was inappropriate and on the other you have a woman clearly exposing cleavage and yet one is 'whorish' and the other is fine?

[actsnoblemartin]

I admit mary is so borderline, I wonder why i bother commenting.

Is like, when a cop stops you for going 60, in a 55 mile per hour zone.

Yes, in my opinion, its a minor or slight violation.

Im not saying their the same, just using an analogy.

But kylie, is wearing a very short skirt, so i think she is more wrong


Her bra is underwear. Can you see Kyla's undies?? I sure couldn't.

You're creating a problem w/ her dress where no reasonable problem exists

[darin]

I admit mary is so borderline, I wonder why i bother commenting.

Is like, when a cop stops you for going 60, in a 55 mile per hour zone.

Yes, in my opinion, its a minor or slight violation.

Im not saying their the same, just using an analogy.

But kylie, is wearing a very short skirt, so i think she is more wrong

You poor man. :(

[actsnoblemartin]

:laugh2: why?

I simply am telling you i would never want to date a woman who doesnt meet what many of you consider strict rules, or morals and values, or whatever you feel like calling it.

your wife is barely showing any cleavage, Upon further review...

Kylie is not dressed like a whore, but very inappropriately because people could see her panties.

Your wife is dressed only slightly inappropriately because i can barely see any cleavage, and wears a somewhat short skirt.

Im ok with you thinking im full of shit, but atleast allow me my opinion lol

:laugh2:


You poor man. :(

[Nukeman]

By inappropiately do you mean they have cloths on??

Not to rehash some of your earlier post but aren't you addicted to PORN. You the denegrater of woman are now on the moral high ground to tell all of those sinning women out there that their cloths are not up to your standards!!

My God Martin you are worse than a person who just quit smoking and telling all his friends how bad it is for them.

I will also say that I am passionently opposed to porn addicts telling me that "THEY FEEL SOMEONE IS DRESSED INAPPROPRIATELY!!!"

Now I am not going to bash you martin because I think sometimes you have some insight to things but this is one argument that by your own addmission on past post you shouldn't be having.

I find it crazy that more on here have not brought this up!!!!:poke::slap:

[Hagbard Celine]

It'll never happen...I'm repulsed by fake...especially ones that look like cantaloupes.

Hmm. They've always seemed like the perfect serving dish for whipped cream to me :dunno: Different strokes for different folks I guess! :cheers2:

[actsnoblemartin]

By inappropiately do you mean they have cloths on??

Me: absolutely not :laugh2:

You: Not to rehash some of your earlier post but aren't you addicted to PORN. You the denegrater of woman are now on the moral high ground to tell all of those sinning women out there that their cloths are not up to your standards!!

me: no, its a very fair point. Ive been addicted to porn since i was 13, I accidently stumbled upon the old spice channel on tv, granted it was squiggley, but it was addicting. I am very ashamed of my addiction to porn, and i think porn is wrong to be honest.

you: My God Martin you are worse than a person who just quit smoking and telling all his friends how bad it is for them.

Me: actually, i think i am the most qualified to tell someone dont watch porn, it is addictive, and harmful.. just as a smoker is the most qualified to say dont smoke. we all have our vices.


you: I will also say that I am passionently opposed to porn addicts telling me that "THEY FEEL SOMEONE IS DRESSED INAPPROPRIATELY!!!"

me: are you also passionently opposed to parents who smoked pot, or did cocaine, heroin, were sex addicts, smokers... telling their kids dont do what i did, it was bad.. because the kid will say youre a hypocrite?

you: Now I am not going to bash you martin because I think sometimes you have some insight to things but this is one argument that by your own addmission on past post you shouldn't be having.

me: Thank you

I find it crazy that more on here have not brought this up!!!!:poke::slap:

You: most likely i wont bring this up again.

[avatar4321]

Yeah, you're one of em..

i have no desire to see you in a burka. dont know where you got that idea.

Why is modesty a bad thing?

[Hagbard Celine]

i have no desire to see you in a burka. dont know where you got that idea.

Why is modesty a bad thing?

It's not in and of itself. But saying everyone/society at large should adopt your opinions on modesty is another thing entirely.

[avatar4321]

Then your standards are messed up. On one hand, one woman you've never seen in person wears something SOMEBODY alleged was inappropriate and on the other you have a woman clearly exposing cleavage and yet one is 'whorish' and the other is fine?

DMP, i think the problem here is the picture you posted of Mary didnt show alot of cleavage, so judging from the picture no body really realizes she is exposing cleavage.

If you are going to make this point you are probably going to have to post a more appropriate picture.

[actsnoblemartin]

because liberals have no bounderies.

And hate anyone who does


i have no desire to see you in a burka. dont know where you got that idea.

Why is modesty a bad thing?

[darin]

Martin - you would get a boner, then have a heart attack and die the first time you went to a beach in Germany.

:-/

[actsnoblemartin]

whats wrong with saying people should adopt our opinion :dance:

its a political opinion, were not saudi arabia, were not beating up women, arresting them, or harming them

so whats the problem?


It's not in and of itself. But saying everyone/society at large should adopt your opinions on modesty is another thing entirely.

[avatar4321]

It's not in and of itself. But saying everyone/society at large should adopt your opinions on modesty is another thing entirely.

So instead society should adopt your opinions on modesty?

The fact of the matter is someones opinion on modesty is going to be adopted. And being that this is America, i believe we have freedom to have opinions and share them. Why the hell should I not be allowed to try to persuade people to adopt my standard? Who the hell are you to tell me that I can't try to persuade people?

[actsnoblemartin]

He is probably a liberal, and liberalism believes only liberals have the right to express their opinion and values


So instead society should adopt your opinions on modesty?

The fact of the matter is someones opinion on modesty is going to be adopted. And being that this is America, i believe we have freedom to have opinions and share them. Why the hell should I not be allowed to try to persuade people to adopt my standard? Who the hell are you to tell me that I can't try to persuade people?

[Hagbard Celine]

whats wrong with saying people should adopt our opinion :dance:

its a political opinion, were not saudi arabia, were not beating up women, arresting them, or harming them

so whats the problem?

It's a mini-skirt and a tight tank top. Loosen the vice-grip your so-called "morals" have on your balls and think clearly for a change. This isn't some socially ground-breaking issue. If a woman wants to dress sexy in public, short of waving her pussy around in people's faces and walking around topless, she can do it if she wants to! The airline was completely out of line. End of story.

[OrnotBitwise]

So instead society should adopt your opinions on modesty?

The fact of the matter is someones opinion on modesty is going to be adopted. And being that this is America, i believe we have freedom to have opinions and share them. Why the hell should I not be allowed to try to persuade people to adopt my standard? Who the hell are you to tell me that I can't try to persuade people?More to the point, I think, is the question of how society is supposed to enforce these alleged standards.

If a woman is dressed "inappropriately" and is raped, is the rape to be considered justifiable? That's an extreme case but a rationalization used often by social conservatives.

I don't personally like the idea but I suppose that some minimal legal standard of "decent" dress is inevitable. I think we should all work as hard as we can, though, to keep such things from getting out of hand.

[Hagbard Celine]

Great, I'm a "lib" and that fact keeps everybody from discussing the issue. Glad we got that settled then :rolleyes:

[avatar4321]

More to the point, I think, is the question of how society is supposed to enforce these alleged standards.

If a woman is dressed "inappropriately" and is raped, is the rape to be considered justifiable? That's an extreme case but a rationalization used often by social conservatives.

I don't personally like the idea but I suppose that some minimal legal standard of "decent" dress is inevitable. I think we should all work as hard as we can, though, to keep such things from getting out of hand.

That's the dumbest question ive ever heard. Why would rape ever be considered justifiable???

Why do you think the standards need to be enforced in order to be taught, lived, and shown to be good?

[Hagbard Celine]

More to the point, I think, is the question of how society is supposed to enforce these alleged standards.

If a woman is dressed "inappropriately" and is raped, is the rape to be considered justifiable? That's an extreme case but a rationalization used often by social conservatives.

I don't personally like the idea but I suppose that some minimal legal standard of "decent" dress is inevitable. I think we should all work as hard as we can, though, to keep such things from getting out of hand.

I think the exact opposite is true. Eventually everyone will realize how primitive and spurious all these ridiculous, religion-driven social standards are and they'll be dropped like a bag of sh*tty diapers.

[Mr. P]

By inappropiately do you mean they have cloths on??

Not to rehash some of your earlier post but aren't you addicted to PORN. You the denegrater of woman are now on the moral high ground to tell all of those sinning women out there that their cloths are not up to your standards!!

My God Martin you are worse than a person who just quit smoking and telling all his friends how bad it is for them.

I will also say that I am passionently opposed to porn addicts telling me that "THEY FEEL SOMEONE IS DRESSED INAPPROPRIATELY!!!"

Now I am not going to bash you martin because I think sometimes you have some insight to things but this is one argument that by your own addmission on past post you shouldn't be having.

I find it crazy that more on here have not brought this up!!!!:poke::slap:

I've been waiting on someone to remember this. Honestly I don't think anyone with a porn addiction holds any woman in high regard. I think it's proven here by wanting to control how they dress through scorn for their own choices. It's no more that BLAMING women for your problem IMO. If they didn't dress like that I'd be ok...errrr right. Or is it about control?

I could be wrong.

[darin]

I wonder if Martin's extreme outspokenness of 'dress code' might be his way to somehow to prove or display penance? Maybe he's trying to fool himself or us into thinking he's fixed his porn-addiction?

Speculation, I know. It's like gay men who preach against homosexuality, yet are homosexuals-in-practice.

[avatar4321]

I've been waiting on someone to remember this. Honestly I don't think anyone with a porn addiction holds any woman in high regard. I think it's proven here by wanting to control how they dress through scorn for their own choices. It's no more that BLAMING women for your problem IMO. If they didn't dress like that I'd be ok...errrr right. Or is it about control?

I could be wrong.

I think that there are some who are like that. I think there may be others who have seen what their lives have become with such an addiction and repent of their actions to turn around and have seen the destruction pornography brings. Rather than control, their desire may be to do all that they can so women never suffer the degradation of that lifestyle and that men wont become addicted.

I see it no more different than former alcoholics or drug addicts who change their life and want to keep people from making the same mistakes they did and hurting others the same way they did. Are they trying to be controling because they speak out against drugs or alcohol? in some circumstances, quite possibly. But I think its just as likely they are doing it because they've been down that road and know what a dead end it is.

[avatar4321]

I wonder if Martin's extreme outspokenness of 'dress code' might be his way to somehow to prove or display penance? Maybe he's trying to fool himself or us into thinking he's fixed his porn-addiction?

Speculation, I know. It's like gay men who preach against homosexuality, yet are homosexuals-in-practice.

could be. who knows. if it is, it might be wiser to simply advocate the positive points of modesty and avoid calling people whores.

[Yurt]

have you ever spoken to a woman without being forced to give your credit-card number? this false moral ground you're creating is dumb. relax.

Thats mean. I talk to women all the time, I simply have different standards then you which is fine.

we might as well just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

I respect you, and youre beliefs but passionently disagree.

Since you brough it up before:

How can you have this "passion" when you were (are?) addicted to porn? Don't you think that you might be having an extreme "opposite" reaction if you are indeed trying to recover from porn?

[shattered]

I wonder if Martin's extreme outspokenness of 'dress code' might be his way to somehow to prove or display penance? Maybe he's trying to fool himself or us into thinking he's fixed his porn-addiction?

Speculation, I know. It's like gay men who preach against homosexuality, yet are homosexuals-in-practice.

To put it simply, he's trying to blame someone else for his own shortcomings in life. His addiction to porn is the womans fault, obviously. His distaste for children stems from the fact that he can't *get* a girlfriend, much less a wife who is willing to bear his children, and so on.

[Abbey Marie]

Since you brough it up before:

How can you have this "passion" when you were (are?) addicted to porn? Don't you think that you might be having an extreme "opposite" reaction if you are indeed trying to recover from porn?

Actually, it makes perfect sense to me that he would feel passionately about a subject that has caused him so much anxiety that he is trying to quit it cold.

Not directed specifically to you, Yurt, but I think we should try to be understanding of Martin's very public struggle with a problem that adversely affects so many men and so many marriages.

[Yurt]

Actually, it makes perfect sense to me that he would feel passionately about a subject that has caused him so much anxiety that he is trying to quit it cold.

Not directed specifically to you, Yurt, but I think we should try to be understanding of Martin's very public struggle with a problem that adversely affects so many men and so many marriages.

I agree with you Abbey. That is why I asked him my questions instead of assuming that I knew his reasons. You are right that porn affects an unfortunately large amount of people. My church actually put something in their monthly publication about it, a few years ago I think. I have no doubt that with high speed internet the problem is worse.

I was just trying to understand where he is coming from. In the past day or so he has made what I consider to be extreme reactionary comments. Just wondering where he is coming from.

[Mr. P]

Just a lil observation folks...Real addicts seek to post on a site dedicated to their problem with like people that have an understanding...NOT ON A POLITICAL BOARD.

[Pale Rider]

wow..mary's been asking me to shoot a couple abstract dudes of her to hang in our bathroom; shots like Karin Rosenthal takes/makes:


Context dictates.

OK... I'll clarify... full frontal nudity... rear exposure of genital nudity... taken with sexual stimulation in mind... not artistic... etc..

[Abbey Marie]

I agree with you Abbey. That is why I asked him my questions instead of assuming that I knew his reasons. You are right that porn affects an unfortunately large amount of people. My church actually put something in their monthly publication about it, a few years ago I think. I have no doubt that with high speed internet the problem is worse.

I was just trying to understand where he is coming from. In the past day or so he has made what I consider to be extreme reactionary comments. Just wondering where he is coming from.

I understand, and I really didn't mean you. Asking questions is a good thing. And you are right that Martin has made some "interesting" statements lately. It just seems that if someone opens themselves up to show any personal weaknesses, they get jumped on endlessly, and their admitted problems thrown back in their face over an over. Ach, it seems so unnecessary. And I'm sure I have been guilty of this at times, too.

[Yurt]

Just a lil observation folks...Real addicts seek to post on a site dedicated to their problem with like people that have an understanding...NOT ON A POLITICAL BOARD.

maybe he does both...

[Pale Rider]

And yet you are fascinated by Melissa Scott.

She's not my wife, and never will be.

[Yurt]

I understand, and I really didn't mean you. Asking questions is a good thing. And you are right that Martin has made some "interesting" statements lately. It just seems that if someone opens themselves up to show any personal weaknesses, they get jumped on endlessly, and their admitted problems thrown back in their face over an over. Ach, it seems so unnecessary. And I'm sure I have been guilty of this at times, too.

I know you didn't, we're good. You are right about the stuff thrown back in their face. In this case though, I think the admitted problem is highly relevant to the thread subject.

[Pale Rider]

Hot damn! She may have a busted face, but she's hiding a bangin' body under all those clothes :cool:

Warning: *NSFW*
http://www.buck1690.com/Kyla-Ebbert/

Yup... she's a whore.

[Mr. P]

maybe he does both...

Maybe..but I doubt it. That's just me.

[Pale Rider]

Never did like fake tits..

ITA... 100%.

[Mr. P]

ITA... 100%.

:cheers2:

[Abbey Marie]

I know you didn't, we're good. You are right about the stuff thrown back in their face. In this case though, I think the admitted problem is highly relevant to the thread subject.

Absotively- it's highly relevant. :salute:

[Cheyenne]

She's not my wife, and never will be.

But you said this:

I'll look more at her as a woman of lower moral character.

Do you consider Melissa Scott of low moral character? She has done far worse than just pose naked.

[Cheyenne]

....a problem that adversely affects so many men and so many marriages.Ever wonder why???
You see this more since the increase in women's liberation.
Women need to become women again.

[Abbey Marie]

Ever wonder why???
You see this more since the increase in women's liberation.
Women need to become women again.

Honestly, Cheyenne, I think men look at more porn because with the Internet, there simply is more porn to look at. And it can be done so easily, anonymously and privately.

[Pale Rider]

But you said this:

Do you consider Melissa Scott of low moral character? She has done far worse than just pose naked.

"Lower"... yes. She may never do porn again, but that doesn't dismiss the fact that she already has.

Kind of like a car that's been in an accident. No matter how good a job they do fixing it, there will still always be tell tale signs it's been in an accident, and it will never be worth what it would have been had it not been in an accident.

[Kathianne]

Honestly, Cheyenne, I think men look at more porn because with the Internet, there simply is more porn to look at. And it can be done so easily, anonymously and privately.

I believe that skirt lengths and neck lengths have gone up and down prior to the 'women's lib' movement. Now that's not to be confused with the Women's Suffrage Movement. ;)

Some women dress too young. Some tween girls dress too old. Some women just dress inappropriately, but I doubt that any of it has to do with the 'libbers' more likely bad taste or weird mirrors.

In any case, none is an excuse for rape or other violent or demeaning behavior on the part of men.

[Mr. P]

I believe that skirt lengths and neck lengths have gone up and down prior to the 'women's lib' movement. Now that's not to be confused with the Women's Suffrage Movement. ;)

Some women dress too young. Some tween girls dress too old. Some women just dress inappropriately, but I doubt that any of it has to do with the 'libbers' more likely bad taste or weird mirrors.

In any case, none is an excuse for rape or other violent or demeaning behavior on the part of men.

Hey! I saw a report on just this...some store..I wanna say Target but apparently it's industry wide...had mirrors in the dressing room that purposely make you look slimmer.

[Cheyenne]

"Lower"... yes. She may never do porn again, but that doesn't dismiss the fact that she already has.

Kind of like a car that's been in an accident. No matter how good a job they do fixing it, there will still always be tell tale signs it's been in an accident, and it will never be worth what it would have been had it not been in an accident.I was just trying to see if you were sticking to your guns, is all. Glad to hear it.

[Pale Rider]

I was just trying to see if you were sticking to your guns, is all. Glad to hear it.

I never waver. I am an Oak. :D

[Cheyenne]

Honestly, Cheyenne, I think men look at more porn because with the Internet, there simply is more porn to look at. And it can be done so easily, anonymously and privately.But why? Why are men spending time at the computer looking at naked women doing who-knows-what when they could be in the bedroom with their wife?

[Mr. P]

But why? Why are men spending time at the computer looking at naked women doing who-knows-what when they could be in the bedroom with their wife?

Cuz she has a headache?

[Pale Rider]

But why? Why are men spending time at the computer looking at naked women doing who-knows-what when they could be in the bedroom with their wife?

'Cause she's fat and unattractive?

[Hagbard Celine]

But why? Why are men spending time at the computer looking at naked women doing who-knows-what when they could be in the bedroom with their wife?

Because we enjoy looking at naked women pretty much all the time?

[Cheyenne]

I never waver. I am an Oak. :D
I have to add this, She may not be up to par by our standards but Jesus says He makes all things new.

[Pale Rider]

I have to add this, She may not be up to par by our standards but Jesus says He makes all things new.

You mean forgive her for her sins? Yes I/we can do that too, but that doesn't erase them.

We are mere mortal men and women. What Jesus is capable of doing is far greater than what any of us will ever be capable of, even when we go to heaven.

[Cheyenne]

Because we enjoy looking at naked women pretty much all the time?


'Cause she's fat and unattractive?


Cuz she has a headache?

These excuses have nothing to do with men & porn.
They are just excuses; even tho' they seem to be universal. Why do you suppose that is? What are men doing or not doing to cause their wives to behave in this manner?

[Hagbard Celine]

These excuses have nothing to do with men & porn.
They are just excuses; even tho' they seem to be universal. Why do you suppose that is? What are men doing or not doing to cause their wives to behave in this manner?

My girlfriend never gives me excuses. She's pretty much rip-roarin' to go anytime. But I still look at porn and the reason is because I like looking at naked women pretty much all the time! :dance:

[Cheyenne]

You mean forgive her for her sins? Yes I can do that too, but that doesn't erase them.

We are mere mortal men and women. What Jesus is capable of doing is far greater than what any of us will ever be capable of, even when we go to heaven.
Oh I agree. But that goes back to my original statement about our past. As humans it's very hard for us to get over something someone has done or said, especially if it's rather hurtful to us. Yet this is what we are to strive for. We should be able to look at that person as whole & new.

[Pale Rider]

These excuses have nothing to do with men & porn.
They are just excuses; even tho' they seem to be universal. Why do you suppose that is? What are men doing or not doing to cause their wives to behave in this manner?

"If" I had a wife, and she was fat and unattractive, I wouldn't feel as though looking at porn was an excuse for anything. I'd be doing it because I didn't want to look at my wife.

With that said, if I wasn't sexually attracted to my "significant other," I wouldn't be married to her. No excuses involved, and vise versa. Either you turn each other on or you don't. Find somebody new.

[Kathianne]

These excuses have nothing to do with men & porn.
They are just excuses; even tho' they seem to be universal. Why do you suppose that is? What are men doing or not doing to cause their wives to behave in this manner?

Well today it's the internet. 15 years ago, video stores, with hee hee, backrooms. 25 years ago, playboys and such in brown wrapper at 7-11. 35 years ago, stacked under the brother's bed. I believe 'pin-ups' were very popular during WWII? Maybe not quite as racy or disgusting as today, but I'm sure it was looked at for the same reasons.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/13/pinupgirlsssaf0.jpg

[Pale Rider]

Oh I agree. But that goes back to my original statement about our past. As humans it's very hard for us to get over something someone has done or said, especially if it's rather hurtful to us. Yet this is what we are to strive for. We should be able to look at that person as whole & new.

I can agree with that. But I'm not sure I could do it.

And we've used Pastor Scott as an example. I can see her as a preacher and I forgive her for her past, but can't get past the fact the she was once a porn star when I look at her. I just can't magically erase that fact from my mind, as hard as I might try.

[Mr. P]

These excuses have nothing to do with men & porn.
They are just excuses; even tho' they seem to be universal. Why do you suppose that is? What are men doing or not doing to cause their wives to behave in this manner?

They ain't crawlin to em like puppies.

[avatar4321]

Ever wonder why???
You see this more since the increase in women's liberation.
Women need to become women again.

men need to become men again as well. im not sure women can become women again before men become men again.

[avatar4321]

But why? Why are men spending time at the computer looking at naked women doing who-knows-what when they could be in the bedroom with their wife?

because they have no love for their wife. why? I have no clue. never been married. Ive just seen enough guys post on messageboards that clearly have no love for the woman they married.

[avatar4321]

because they have no love for their wife. why? I have no clue. never been married. Ive just seen enough guys post on messageboards that clearly have no love for the woman they married.

Yeah, i know im responding to my own message, but rethinking this im wondering if i have the cause and effect right.

Do they look at porn because they don't love their wife?

Or do they not love their wife because they look at porn, always compare her to those girls, and have some sort of selfish contempt for their wife for not looking like those girls?

I really dont know.

[Cheyenne]

Yeah, i know im responding to my own message, but rethinking this im wondering if i have the cause and effect right.

Do they look at porn because they don't love their wife?

Or do they not love their wife because they look at porn, always compare her to those girls, and have some sort of selfish contempt for their wife for not looking like those girls?

I really dont know.Neither. Guess again.

[Cheyenne]

..... I just can't magically erase that fact from my mind, as hard as I might try.Precisely. What's the saying; forgive & forget? Forgetting is not that easily done.

[Yurt]

Ever wonder why???
You see this more since the increase in women's liberation.
Women need to become women again.

Interesting point. A book that changed my view on life:

http://www.amazon.com/Womans-Worth-Marianne-Williamson/dp/0345386574

Regardless of your "spiritual beliefs" a very powerful book.

As to women's liberation being a "cause" of this, you are flat out wrong. Don't you think this was around before this """"alleged"""" women's liberation movement?

[Pale Rider]

Precisely. What's the saying; forgive & forget? Forgetting is not that easily done.

Well at least we've come to the same conclusion. That's cool.

[Said1]

I haven't read all the posts on this topic but I think generally that American women like to act like whores... When I was a teenager I had a lot of dates with American girls and a few were strait up and would tell you that you aren't getting in my panties but the majority would play the game that if you spend enough money on me I'll give you some...

Got drafted and sent to Korea and there wasn't anything to do but chase the whores and drink beer... sometimes I'd hit two in one night and right away I noticed something, if I treated them the way I treated an American girl on a date they were up front just like the up front American girls... they would let you know I'm doing this to make money or I like you and enjoy our time together and if you are short of money it's OK. After dating hundreds of these whores in Korea I returned to the US and went out on dates and found that a majority of the women were trading sex for money or for commitment and it had nothing to do with whatever feeling they may have for you. I rounded off the odds and considered them all whores not worthily of sorting out since they didn't say up front how they felt.

I ended up marring a Korean woman in the states and as it turned out she was later tainted by NOW liberalism and started using sex as a tool... divorced her like the American woman she turned into... then I married a German girl who was up front and that worked out great until she was up front with some other man while I was out of town. Divorced her too... Then I met my wife and true love that I share my life with now... We are talking up front from beginning to end as opposed to... this is what I have and what are you willing to pay or do to get it?

When I watch CNN or Fox News and see the little whores, with their nice educations criss crossing their legs and pushing up their tits I think to myself I'd prefer a Korean whore who was up front and simply just say it cost this much or I like you a lot and you can have me if I can have you.


Aren't you the one who got all hot watching animals go at it?

[Said1]

Yeah, i know im responding to my own message, but rethinking this im wondering if i have the cause and effect right.

Do they look at porn because they don't love their wife?

Or do they not love their wife because they look at porn, always compare her to those girls, and have some sort of selfish contempt for their wife for not looking like those girls?

I really dont know.

Probably a little of all you mentioned plus curiosity and a dozen other reasons. Most of it more than likely resides within in them, not the women.

[mrg666]

Gotta be drunk he can't follow his own asinine thread. :laugh2:

there was no thread to follow it was spurious ?
i 0only drink at week ends so beware :D

[mrg666]

You know what Acts? Go fuck yourself! If you are gonna piss and moan to Jimmy each time I call you retard and that you want to be treated normal then quit using your condition as an excuse as to why you post some of the ridiculous shit that you do.

If you refer to your condition as an excuse once more i'm gonna consider it permission for me to go off on said condition like never before.

we can allways count on oca to bully his way around (makes him feel good like high school )

[diuretic]

Happy days here! It's summer, which means light dresses instead of slacks AND....best news of all....CLEAVAGE IS IN THIS SUMMER! Yes sir! :laugh2:

[Cheyenne]

Interesting point. A book that changed my view on life:

http://www.amazon.com/Womans-Worth-Marianne-Williamson/dp/0345386574

Regardless of your "spiritual beliefs" a very powerful book.

As to women's liberation being a "cause" of this, you are flat out wrong. Don't you think this was around before this """"alleged"""" women's liberation movement?I've read the book. Maybe it would be more powerful for a man.

And yes, it's been around a l-o-n-g time. My statement was that since the lib movement it has considerably increased.