The world doesn't hate America, the Left does

[Little-Acorn]

Prager nails it. Kudoes to him for summing up the situation with excellent accuracy.

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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2007/11/27/the_world_doesnt_hate_america,_the_left_does

The World Doesn't Hate America, the Left Does

By Dennis Prager
Tuesday, November 27, 2007

One of the most widely held beliefs in the contemporary world -- so widely held it is not disputed -- is that, with few exceptions, the world hates America. One of the Democrats' major accusations against the Bush administration is that it has increased hatred of America to unprecedented levels. And in many polls, the United States is held to be among the greatest obstacles to world peace and harmony.

But it is not true that the world hates America. It is the world's left that hates America. However, because the left dominates the world's news media and because most people, understandably, believe what the news media report, many people, including Americans, believe that the world hates America.

Take Western Europe, which is widely regarded as holding America in contempt, but upon examination only validates our thesis. The French, for example, are regarded as particularly America-hating, but if this were so, how does one explain the election of Nicolas Sarkozy as president of France? Sarkozy loves America and was known to love America when he ran for president. Evidently, it is the left in France -- a left that, like the left in America, dominates the media, arts, universities and unions -- that hates the U.S., not the French.

The same holds true for Spain, Australia, Britain, Latin America and elsewhere. The left in these countries hate the United States while non-leftists, and especially conservatives, in those countries hold America in high regard, if not actually love it.

Take Spain. The prime minister of Spain from 1996 to 2004, Jose Maria Aznar, is a conservative who holds America in the highest regard. He was elected twice, and polls in Spain up to the week before the 2004 election all predicted a third term for Aznar's party (Aznar had promised not to run for a third term). Only the Madrid subway bombings, perpetrated by Muslim terrorists three days before the elections, but which the Aznar government erroneously blamed on Basque separatists, turned the election against the conservative party.

There is another obvious argument against the belief that the world hates America: Many millions of people would rather live in America than in any other country. How does the left explain this? Why would people want to come to a country they loathe? Why don't people want to live in Sweden or France as much as they wish to live in America? Those are rich and free countries, too.

The answer is that most people know there is no country in the world more accepting of strangers as is America. After three generations, people who have emigrated to Germany or France or Sweden do not feel -- and are not regarded as -- fully German, French or Swedish. Yet, anyone of any color from any country is regarded as American the moment he or she identifies as one. The country that the left routinely calls "xenophobic" and "racist" is in fact the least racist and xenophobic country in the world.

Given that it is the left and the institutions it dominates -- universities, media (other than talk radio in America) and unions -- that hate America, two questions remain: Why does the left hate America, and does the American left, too, hate America?

The answer to the first question is that America and especially the most hated parts of America -- conservatives, religious conservatives in particular -- are the greatest obstacles to leftist dominance. American success refutes the socialist ideals of the left; American use of force to vanquish evil refutes the left's pacifist tendencies; America is the last great country that believes in putting some murderers to death, something that is anathema to the left; when America is governed by conservatives, it uses the language of good and evil, language regarded by the left as "Manichean"; most Americans still believe in the Judeo-Christian value system, another target of the left because the left regards all religions as equally valid (or more to the point, equally foolish and dangerous) and regards God-based morality as the moral equivalent of alchemy.


Rest at Link Above.

[April15]

So to prove hate you post it? Very curious.

[Hagbard Celine]

"The Left." "The Left." "The Libs." Blah, blah, blah-bitty-blah. Someone needs to write an essay about Conservatives' need to trash any view point other than their own and then claim everybody else is intolerant when they get called-out for bigotry, insensitivity, environmental flippancy, intentional obtuseness, xenophobia and using violence to solve their problems. :lol:
Maybe the reason that essay doesn't exist is because the people who would write it have better things to do with their time than to b*tch and whine about people they'd rather not associate with anyway. :dunno: Just a thought. :laugh:

[Gaffer]

"The Left." "The Left." "The Libs." Blah, blah, blah-bitty-blah. Someone needs to write an essay about Conservatives' need to trash any view point other than their own and then claim everybody else is intolerant when they get called-out for bigotry, insensitivity, environmental flippancy, intentional obtuseness, xenophobia and using violence to solve their problems. :lol:
Maybe the reason that essay doesn't exist is because the people who would write it have better things to do with their time than to b*tch and whine about people they'd rather not associate with anyway. :dunno: Just a thought. :laugh:

They have written those essays quite often. You can read them at huffpo, moveon, mediamatters and many others. you need to catch up on your liberal blog reading.

[Little-Acorn]

Hmm, fast spews of the usual misinterpretations, diversions, and fibs from the usual board leftists. With no attempt to refute or even argue the points Prager made. Sounds like his essay hit a nerve or two. :)

Back to the subject:
Prager points out the seeming contradiction between newspapers worldwide whining how George Bush has made enemies of the entire world and no one likes the U.S. any more, vs. how country after country keeps electing US-friendly leaders and their people keep emigrating to this country in record numbers, far more than people going the other way.

As Prager points out, it's not those countries (i.e. their populations) that hate America. It's a relatively small minority in them who hate America - a minority that gets far more press than their merits number, while the majorities keep praising and supporting us.

[diuretic]

Prager is a hopeless commentator. Anyway he's wrong (as usual). We hate Bush and Cheney. America is okay, heck you've got some funny quirks but we can live with them. But Bush and Cheney are definitely disgust material. And you don't have to be from the Left to be disgusted by them, it's definitely across the spectrum.

[Little-Acorn]

Does "No, it isn't!!!!" count as a refutation? Or even an argument?

Looks like Prager is still batting a thousand.

:lol:

[avatar4321]

Prager is a hopeless commentator. Anyway he's wrong (as usual). We hate Bush and Cheney. America is okay, heck you've got some funny quirks but we can live with them. But Bush and Cheney are definitely disgust material. And you don't have to be from the Left to be disgusted by them, it's definitely across the spectrum.

and yet this is still coming from the left...

[Hagbard Celine]

and yet this is still coming from the left...

One day, maybe even as late as your death bed, you'll wake up and realize that everything you believe about the world is either a fairy tale or a psychotic conspiracy theory. Hopefully this realization will come sooner rather than later. Until then, atleast stop reading the words of these numb-nuts radical bloggers out there. You are what you eat, and if all you continue to eat is garbage, that's what you'll continue to be.

[avatar4321]

One day, maybe even as late as your death bed, you'll wake up and realize that everything you believe about the world is either a fairy tale or a psychotic conspiracy theory. Hopefully this realization will come sooner rather than later. Until then, atleast stop reading the words of these numb-nuts radical bloggers out there. You are what you eat, and if all you continue to eat is garbage, that's what you'll continue to be.

Well if you are so convinced I am wrong, why is it you guys can't prove it?

All you guys do is insult others and accuse them of racism, bigotry and other stuff you guys are guilty of yourselves. For once id like you to stop repeating your mantras over and over again and actually respond to what people say rather than just insult them. Why the heck should I agree with your point of view if you can't provide any reason to support it?

[diuretic]

Does "No, it isn't!!!!" count as a refutation? Or even an argument?

Looks like Prager is still batting a thousand.

:lol:

It's not possible to refute rubbish, you just have to know it for what it is, but then that does presuppose that a reader has the power of discrimination :laugh2:

[diuretic]

and yet this is still coming from the left...

Don't take my word for it, scan any of our right wing newspapers (they're all right wing except the Green Left Weekly) so knock yourself out.

[diuretic]

One day, maybe even as late as your death bed, you'll wake up and realize that everything you believe about the world is either a fairy tale or a psychotic conspiracy theory. Hopefully this realization will come sooner rather than later. Until then, atleast stop reading the words of these numb-nuts radical bloggers out there. You are what you eat, and if all you continue to eat is garbage, that's what you'll continue to be.

The purpose of these right wingnut bloggers, the MSM and Fox is to stop people waking up to how they've been conned by the elites. Prager is just a minor opinionator footsoldier, carrying the flag of the elites into not-so-intellectual battle.

[Joey]

Let's see....you start out with a conservative commentator...ignoring all the withdrawals from Iraq from the little nations with those soldiers there..the British with 50% of their troops...the protests against Bush in Australia and the sweeping victory of the left there.....the growing terrorists cells being created world wide and trained in Iraq....the pressure on Bush to have global warming..the abandoning of his cabinet and the advice to republicans by Rove to steer clear of Bush during their re-elections...

yup...it's the left's fault..none of those are Bush's policies supported by the right...:salute:

[Little-Acorn]

It's not possible to refute rubbish

It's quite easy to refute rubbish. I do it all the time when arguing with our brethern of the southpaw persuasion.

What's not possible, is to refute truth. I suspect that's where you are having so many problems. Of course, the usual dodge is to stridently insist that the facts are somehow "rubbish" (without backing up your claim at all, of course, since you can't), and then insisting rubbish "can't be refuted" and hoping someone buys your blarney. Sort of like you're doing here.

The fact is, as Prager points out, most people like the US just fine - or don't pay attention to it, having their own lives to live in their own countries (when was the last time you paid attention to Belgium or Manchuria?) and have nothing against it. But they're not the ones you read about in the papers, or hear about on CNN. It's the small minority of fanatical leftist persons such as yourself, who get so much sympathy from the press, who are made to look significant when they're not. But the facts keep coming out, as Prager points out.

Too bad, so sad.

[PostmodernProphet]

So to prove hate you post it? Very curious.

I am curious which sentences of the article you consider 'hate'?......

[glockmail]

It's not possible to refute rubbish, you just have to know it for what it is, but then that does presuppose that a reader has the power of discrimination :laugh2:

:lol:

We've seen you refute just about anything. Why can't you attempt to prove this?

[glockmail]

This is my favorite part. An excellent summation.
.....Why does the left hate America, and does the American left, too, hate America?

The answer to the first question is that America and especially the most hated parts of America -- conservatives, religious conservatives in particular -- are the greatest obstacles to leftist dominance. American success refutes the socialist ideals of the left; American use of force to vanquish evil refutes the left's pacifist tendencies; America is the last great country that believes in putting some murderers to death, something that is anathema to the left; when America is governed by conservatives, it uses the language of good and evil, language regarded by the left as "Manichean"; most Americans still believe in the Judeo-Christian value system, another target of the left because the left regards all religions as equally valid (or more to the point, equally foolish and dangerous) and regards God-based morality as the moral equivalent of alchemy.


......

[diuretic]

It's quite easy to refute rubbish. I do it all the time when arguing with our brethern of the southpaw persuasion.

What's not possible, is to refute truth. I suspect that's where you are having so many problems. Of course, the usual dodge is to stridently insist that the facts are somehow "rubbish" (without backing up your claim at all, of course, since you can't), and then insisting rubbish "can't be refuted" and hoping someone buys your blarney. Sort of like you're doing here.

The fact is, as Prager points out, most people like the US just fine - or don't pay attention to it, having their own lives to live in their own countries (when was the last time you paid attention to Belgium or Manchuria?) and have nothing against it. But they're not the ones you read about in the papers, or hear about on CNN. It's the small minority of fanatical leftist persons such as yourself, who get so much sympathy from the press, who are made to look significant when they're not. But the facts keep coming out, as Prager points out.

Too bad, so sad.

Okay, the ad hominem is unnecessary, stop being an ignorant fool, only idiots trot that one out.

Now, I held my nose and did a quick scan of Prager's latest bumbling effort.


One of the most widely held beliefs in the contemporary world -- so widely held it is not disputed -- is that, with few exceptions, the world hates America. Oh? It is?

Apparently not.

But it is not true that the world hates America.

But you just said the the world hates America. Which is it?

Take Western Europe, which is widely regarded as holding America in contempt, but upon examination only validates our thesis. The French, for example, are regarded as particularly America-hating, but if this were so, how does one explain the election of Nicolas Sarkozy as president of France? Sarkozy loves America and was known to love America when he ran for president. Evidently, it is the left in France -- a left that, like the left in America, dominates the media, arts, universities and unions -- that hates the U.S., not the French.

Oh, so the French elected Sarkozy simply because is loves America? They didn't elect him to replace a fellow conservative and to pursue a domestic conservative policy platform? No? They elected him because he was pro-America. Did you ask??


The same holds true for Spain, Australia, Britain, Latin America and elsewhere. The left in these countries hate the United States while non-leftists, and especially conservatives, in those countries hold America in high regard, if not actually love it.

Not so in Australia. There are plenty on the Left who are fine with America (not the Bush Administration admittedly but we can tell the difference between a nation and its political leadership) and plenty on the Right who decry America due to what they see as cultural hegemony.

There is another obvious argument against the belief that the world hates America: Many millions of people would rather live in America than in any other country. How does the left explain this? Why would people want to come to a country they loathe? Why don't people want to live in Sweden or France as much as they wish to live in America? Those are rich and free countries, too.

He's kidding isn't he? How come we all haven't moved there? Could it be that we're happy where we are? I can't believe this stuff.

The answer to the first question is that America and especially the most hated parts of America -- conservatives, religious conservatives in particular -- are the greatest obstacles to leftist dominance. American success refutes the socialist ideals of the left; American use of force to vanquish evil refutes the left's pacifist tendencies; America is the last great country that believes in putting some murderers to death, something that is anathema to the left; when America is governed by conservatives, it uses the language of good and evil, language regarded by the left as "Manichean"; most Americans still believe in the Judeo-Christian value system, another target of the left because the left regards all religions as equally valid (or more to the point, equally foolish and dangerous) and regards God-based morality as the moral equivalent of alchemy

Big ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww - yeah, we get really excited when we think how wonderful it is that America puts people to death. That's a very big feature we really like. Sure thing.

I can't believe that anyone would publish this puerile rubbish. What a joke.

[diuretic]

:lol:

We've seen you refute just about anything. Why can't you attempt to prove this?

I stepped in the sludge and did just that :laugh2:

[glockmail]

I stepped in the sludge and did just that :laugh2: Come on. You can do better than that. That was :lame2:

:lol:

[diuretic]

I'm not going back into that cesspool again. I've been in some horrible situations over the years but I'd rather face a man with a gun than be forced to go back into that pit of sludge that Prager wrote. That is cruel and inhuman punishment and ya can't make me anyway :finger3:

[Little-Acorn]

The aptly-named diuretic points to one Prager sentence saying that there's a belief the world hates America.

Then he points to the next where Prager says that belief is not true.

Then somehow he decides that Prager has contradicted himself.

Not much point in reading further, is there..... :slap:

[glockmail]

I'm not going back into that cesspool again. I've been in some horrible situations over the years but I'd rather face a man with a gun than be forced to go back into that pit of sludge that Prager wrote. That is cruel and inhuman punishment and ya can't make me anyway :finger3:
Woosie! :poke:

[diuretic]

The aptly-named diuretic points to one Prager sentence saying that there's a belief the world hates America.

Then he points to the next where Prager says that belief is not true.

Then somehow he decides that Prager has contradicted himself.

Not much point in reading further, is there..... :slap:

I told you, it's sludge. Sludge is really difficult to try and analyse, I'm not Dexter, I'm no expert with sludge-stains. It's such a badly written article, full of non-sequiturs, gross generalisations and wild claims that have absolutely no evidence to them. It might appeal to those who read the sludge at townhall.com and who think they're finding diamonds in the sludge but fail to see that the "diamonds" are coloured plastic. Bury yourself in the sludge Little-Acorn and one day you'll grow to be a big oaf, I mean oak. But I've had enough of the ick there. :laugh2:

[diuretic]

Woosie! :poke:

I ran out of rubber boots! :laugh2:

[glockmail]

I ran out of rubber boots! :laugh2: Why, are they full of your piss? :lol:

[Little-Acorn]

I told you, it's sludge. Sludge is really difficult to try and analyse, I'm not Dexter, I'm no expert with sludge-stains. It's such a badly written article, full of non-sequiturs, gross generalisations and wild claims that have absolutely no evidence to them. It might appeal to those who read the sludge at townhall.com and who think they're finding diamonds in the sludge but fail to see that the "diamonds" are coloured plastic.

In other words, you can't refute a word of it, and it's Prager's fault, not yours. :lol: So you're clamping your tail firmly between your legs and running away.

About what I expected.

[diuretic]

Why, are they full of your piss? :lol:

The sludge was acidic :finger3:

[diuretic]

In other words, you can't refute a word of it, and it's Prager's fault, not yours. :lol: So you're clamping your tail firmly between your legs and running away.

About what I expected.

Your hero sat down and worked out an angle. The American Left hates America. Then he went off trying to prove it. Why? What was the point of it? Can you work it out?

Let me help you.

Prager doesn't want anyone to criticise America as she is. That's the point. The elite are doing very well so criticism of the status quo must be inhibited lest the folks wake up to what's been happening. I mean, think about this.

In various forums I get into discussions where some American posters trumpet the wealth of the country. Fair enough. But when I want to discuss the locations of the wealth that makes people uncomfortable. More millionaires? Fine, how's the poverty level though? No, I can't discuss that. I'm hating America if I suggest that.

Prager doesn't give a shit about what the rest of the world thinks about America. He just wants to smear those Americans who think that things might just need to be improved a bit so that your society is a bit more fair to all its citizens. People like Prager trade on the patriotism of average Americans so that they are convinced that the status quo is "natural" and "how things are" . Any critical thought is to be be condemned as "hating America."

Do you get it now?

The American Left loves America and Americans, that's why they care about what's really happening in their country. The footsoldiers of the elites, such as Prager, must write sludge to stop people like you waking up to what's going on. But if Prager's sludge makes you feel good then don't let me upset your state of blissful ignorance.

[PostmodernProphet]

Do you get it now?

The American Left loves America and Americans, that's why they care about what's really happening in their country. The footsoldiers of the elites, such as Prager, must write sludge to stop people like you waking up to what's going on. But if Prager's sludge makes you feel good then don't let me upset your state of blissful ignorance.

so what it boils down to is every four years we find out whether our elite or your elite have better sludge writers?.....

[glockmail]

The sludge was acidic :finger3: Or you pissed your pants. :coffee:

[Little-Acorn]

Prager doesn't want anyone to criticise America as she is.
(No proof, support, or evidence of any kind offered to back this up)


The elite are doing very well
Not really. Hillary is sliding in the polls and has been overtaken by Obama in the critical state of Iowa. She, Obama, and all the rest are pushing an agenda which has historically failed and been consistently rejected by the American people every time it's presented straightforwardly - something the left has learned not to do. And most ominously, the news media that favors them has been steadily declining in circulation and viewership, in contrast to papers, stations etc. who offer both sides and are steadily increasing. The elites themselves scream that offering both side to an argument, "favors conservatives". They are far more right then they know. But doing well, they ain't.


so criticism of the status quo must be inhibited lest the folks wake up to what's been happening.
Yes, their efforts to impose the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" - boosting liberal ideas on mostly-conservative radio while doing nothing to boost conservatism in overwhelmingly liberal newpapers, magazines, TV, and movies - have been great and repeated. Fortunately, they haven't succeeded - every attempt, merely produces contempt and rejection by the public.


(More subject changes, exaggerations, and fibs deleted)


The American Left loves America and Americans
I'd almost believe that, if not for the torrent of vilification and abuse I see the Left pouring upon virtually every facet of America: Directed against free enterprise, solid defense against tyranny and terrorism, freedom to succeed or fail and learn from one's mistakes, small government and large personal responsibility, etc. If the Left loves America, why does it keep trying to impose large government, socialism, and other such programs that have historically failed, usually producing anything from a reduced level of prosperity, to outright mass death, starvation, and collapse?

Sorry, little di. Your words stand in stark contrast to the actions of those whom you support. As a result, people aren't listening to your words very much any more. Why should they, when your cherished plans don't work? Nobody's trying to "stifle" your talk. They are merely deciding not to listen any longer. It's understandable that you would mistake the one for the other... but your mistakes will no longer help you.

Too bad, so sad.

[-Cp]

Article text is in Italics - my replies are in bold:

One of the most widely held beliefs in the contemporary world -- so widely held it is not disputed -- is that, with few exceptions, the world hates America. One of the Democrats' major accusations against the Bush administration is that it has increased hatred of America to unprecedented levels. And in many polls, the United States is held to be among the greatest obstacles to world peace and harmony.

But it is not true that the world hates America. It is the world's left that hates America. However, because the left dominates the world's news media and because most people, understandably, believe what the news media report, many people, including Americans, believe that the world hates America.

Take Western Europe, which is widely regarded as holding America in contempt, but upon examination only validates our thesis. The French, for example, are regarded as particularly America-hating, but if this were so, how does one explain the election of Nicolas Sarkozy as president of France? Sarkozy loves America and was known to love America when he ran for president. Evidently, it is the left in France -- a left that, like the left in America, dominates the media, arts, universities and unions -- that hates the U.S., not the French.

I think this guy is right on the money here - even Tony Blair, during his tenure, said something along the lines of "One of the measures of how much folks hate a country is to see how many are trying to get into it - last I checked, folks were still dying trying to sneak into the USA". And I think Sarkosy's speech the other day helped cemenet this idea...


There is another obvious argument against the belief that the world hates America: Many millions of people would rather live in America than in any other country. How does the left explain this? Why would people want to come to a country they loathe? Why don't people want to live in Sweden or France as much as they wish to live in America? Those are rich and free countries, too.

The answer is that most people know there is no country in the world more accepting of strangers as is America. After three generations, people who have emigrated to Germany or France or Sweden do not feel -- and are not regarded as -- fully German, French or Swedish. Yet, anyone of any color from any country is regarded as American the moment he or she identifies as one. The country that the left routinely calls "xenophobic" and "racist" is in fact the least racist and xenophobic country in the world.

Once again, I agree with this - my step-mom is a good example in my own personal life of someone who legally immigrated here and would now be considered a "full American".

Given that it is the left and the institutions it dominates -- universities, media (other than talk radio in America) and unions -- that hate America, two questions remain: Why does the left hate America, and does the American left, too, hate America?

I'm not sure how one could not agree that the vast majority of the news media has a left-leaning bias. Here's some info on this subject from Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias

Quote from Above link:
The academic study cited most frequently by critics of a "liberal media bias" in American journalism is The Media Elite,* a 1986 book co-authored by political scientists Robert Lichter, Stanley Rothman, and Linda Lichter. They surveyed journalists at national media outlets such as the New York Times, Washington Post, and the broadcast networks. The survey which found that most of these journalists were Democratic voters whose attitudes were well to the left of the general public on a variety of topics, including such hot-button social issues such as abortion, affirmative action, and gay rights. Then they compared journalists' attitudes to their coverage of controversial issues such as the safety of nuclear power, school busing to promote racial integration, and the energy crisis of the 1970s.

The book's most thorough case study involved nuclear energy. The survey of journalists showed that most were highly skeptical about nuclear safety. However, the authors conducted a separate survey of scientists in energy related fields, who were much more sanguine about nuclear safety issues. They then conducted a content analysis of nuclear energy coverage in the media outlets they had surveyed. They found that the opinions of sources who were cited as scientific experts reflected the antinuclear sentiments of journalists, rather than the more pro-nuclear perspectives held by most energy scientists.

The authors concluded that journalists' coverage of controversial issues reflected their own attitudes, and the predominance of political liberals in newsrooms therefore pushed news coverage in a liberal direction. They presented this tilt as a mostly unconscious process of like-minded individuals projecting their shared assumptions onto their interpretations of reality. In principle this meant that newsrooms populated mainly by conservatives would produce a similarly skewed perspective toward the political right. Such accusations have been leveled against Fox News. At the time the study was embraced mainly by conservative columnists and politicians, who adopted the findings as "scientific proof" of liberal media bias.

Many of the positions in the preceding study are supported by a 2002 study by Jim A. Kuypers: Press Bias and Politics: How the Media Frame Controversial Issues. In this study of 116 mainstream US papers (including The New York Times, the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, and the San Francisco Chronicle), Kuypers found that the mainstream print press in America operate within a narrow range of liberal beliefs. Those who expressed points of view further to the left were generally ignored, whereas those who expressed moderate or conservative points of view were often actively denigrated or labeled as holding a minority point of view. In short, if a political leader, regardless of party, spoke within the press-supported range of acceptable discourse, he or she would receive positive press coverage. If a politician, again regardless of party, were to speak outside of this range, he or she would receive negative press or be ignored. Kuypers also found that the liberal points of view expressed in editorial and opinion pages were found in hard news coverage of the same issues. Although focusing primarily on the issues of race and homosexuality, Kuypers found that the press injected opinion into its news coverage of other issues such as welfare reform, environmental protection, and gun control; in all cases favoring a liberal point of view.

As mentioned above, Tim Groseclose of UCLA and Jeff Milyo of the University of Missouri at Columbia[8] use think tank quotes, in order to estimate the relative position of mass media outlets in the political spectrum. The idea is to trace out which think tanks are quoted by various mass media outlets within news stories, and to match these think tanks with the political position of members of the U.S. Congress who quote them in a non-negative way. Using this procedure, Groseclose and Milyo obtain the stark result that all sampled news providers -except Fox News' Special Report and the Washington Times- are located to the left of the average Congress member, i.e. there are signs of a liberal bias in the US news media.

In regards to University's being largely liberal, here's an article in the Washington post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8427-2005Mar28.html

Quote from above link:
College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says.

By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.

I'm sorry you don't believe that the majority of News Media and University Campuses do have a Liberal Bias - however, until I see evidence to the contrarty, I think the overwhelming evidence supports the view in this townhall editorial.

The answer to the first question is that America and especially the most hated parts of America -- conservatives, religious conservatives in particular -- are the greatest obstacles to leftist dominance. American success refutes the socialist ideals of the left; American use of force to vanquish evil refutes the left's pacifist tendencies; America is the last great country that believes in putting some murderers to death, something that is anathema to the left; when America is governed by conservatives, it uses the language of good and evil, language regarded by the left as "Manichean"; most Americans still believe in the Judeo-Christian value system, another target of the left because the left regards all religions as equally valid (or more to the point, equally foolish and dangerous) and regards God-based morality as the moral equivalent of alchemy.

I think this piece from US News and World Report does a good job of showing how the Left hate true American Values:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/articles/041101/1john.htm

It makes perfect sense that the left around the world loathes America. The final question, then, is whether this loathing of America is characteristic of the American left as well. The answer is that the American left hates the America that believes in American exceptionalism, is prepared to use force to fight what it deems as dangerous evil, affirms the Judeo-Christian value system, believes in the death penalty, supports male-female marriage, rejects big government, wants lower taxes, prefers free market to governmental solutions, etc. The American left, like the rest of the world's left, loathes that America.

If you don't believe "the left" Hate America, just spend some time browing through the following sites and you'll see - first hand - the venom these idiots spew:
www.huffingtonpost.com
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/
http://www.dailykos.com/

[diuretic]

so what it boils down to is every four years we find out whether our elite or your elite have better sludge writers?.....

I lump the elites into one bag, which I would like to tie up and toss in a frozen lake.

[diuretic]

Or you pissed your pants. :coffee:

Laughing? Not at Prager, more like retching in disgust :laugh2:

[Little-Acorn]

Laughing? Not at Prager, more like retching in disgust :laugh2:

Children who get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, often have that reaction toward whoever caught them or pointed out what they were doing.

Too bad, so sad. :poke:

[diuretic]

Children who get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, often have that reaction toward whoever caught them or pointed out what they were doing.

Too bad, so sad. :poke:

Speaking as an ex-child I can tell you you're wrong. My tactics were:

1. I am not stealing these cookies, I'm merely counting them to assist with the household budget planning.

2. This is not me, this is a holographic image being projected from his room by my little brother in an attempt to discredit me in the eyes of my parents.

3. I am merely engaged in the redistribution of cookie wealth in the family.

4. Dad/mum said I could have them (always best used when the other parent had sprung me).

5. Go ahead, pinch me, I'm pleading not guilty when we get to juvie.

:laugh2:

[glockmail]

Laughing? Not at Prager, more like retching in disgust :laugh2:
No not laughing. People piss their pants and fill their boots because of fear.:pee:

[diuretic]

No not laughing. People piss their pants and fill their boots because of fear.:pee:

I'vd been really scared for my life a few times but I never pissed myself. Now, why would I be frightened of anything on a discussion forum?

[glockmail]

I'vd been really scared for my life a few times but I never pissed myself. Now, why would I be frightened of anything on a discussion forum?It was a rhetorical piss, in response to a rhetorical fear.

[Little-Acorn]

Timely bump, since Barack Obama seems to be trying to make a point that Americans overseas can't be proud of their country. Those Americans need not be worried that the world hates them. It's only the Left that hates them - a sad, bitter group that sensible people don't need to worry about..

[April15]

Timely bump, since Barack Obama seems to be trying to make a point that Americans overseas can't be proud of their country. Those Americans need not be worried that the world hates them. It's only the Left that hates them - a sad, bitter group that sensible people don't need to worry about..You have it backwards. The reich hates America.

[diuretic]

Timely bump, since Barack Obama seems to be trying to make a point that Americans overseas can't be proud of their country. Those Americans need not be worried that the world hates them. It's only the Left that hates them - a sad, bitter group that sensible people don't need to worry about..

The reason that some Americans sew Canada flags on their backpacks to travel overseas is in the White House. Give it a bit of time and they'll be able to put the Stars and Stripes back.

[DragonStryk72]

http://debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=109721#post109721


Now, to add a slight piece that, this crap with the Left/Right conspiracy crap is just as tired as all the rest of it. My opinion is that most of the world loves America, as it should be, but feel that Bush and Cheney have tarnished that, and so they direct their hate in that direction.

This blatant fear and divisionist-mongering of the media (both liberal AND convservative) serves absolutely no one, certainly not the people of this country. The whole argument breaks down quickly to "You're a doodyhead", "No you're a doodyhead", and this tripe is just more of the same.

It's time both sides developed the balls god gave a gnat, and called their own on their crap.

[Yurt]

http://debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=109721#post109721


Now, to add a slight piece that, this crap with the Left/Right conspiracy crap is just as tired as all the rest of it. My opinion is that most of the world loves America, as it should be, but feel that Bush and Cheney have tarnished that, and so they direct their hate in that direction.

This blatant fear and divisionist-mongering of the media (both liberal AND convservative) serves absolutely no one, certainly not the people of this country. The whole argument breaks down quickly to "You're a doodyhead", "No you're a doodyhead", and this tripe is just more of the same.

It's time both sides developed the balls god gave a gnat, and called their own on their crap.

thats why i have hears on air america, over and over, how the world hates us, the US, because of bush, cheney, and rummie.

you should get some learning before you spout off

[actsnoblemartin]

:clap:


They have written those essays quite often. You can read them at huffpo, moveon, mediamatters and many others. you need to catch up on your liberal blog reading.

[actsnoblemartin]

and prager is right.

The left has its own religion, global warming, gays or whatever it is to fill their sad little void.

while we have god

funny enough even atheists and gays are welcome in the party


Hmm, fast spews of the usual misinterpretations, diversions, and fibs from the usual board leftists. With no attempt to refute or even argue the points Prager made. Sounds like his essay hit a nerve or two. :)

Back to the subject:
Prager points out the seeming contradiction between newspapers worldwide whining how George Bush has made enemies of the entire world and no one likes the U.S. any more, vs. how country after country keeps electing US-friendly leaders and their people keep emigrating to this country in record numbers, far more than people going the other way.

As Prager points out, it's not those countries (i.e. their populations) that hate America. It's a relatively small minority in them who hate America - a minority that gets far more press than their merits number, while the majorities keep praising and supporting us.

[diuretic]

thats why i have hears on air america, over and over, how the world hates us, the US, because of bush, cheney, and rummie.

you should get some learning before you spout off

Speaking for me. Only an idiot would hate a country because of its leader(s).

Yes I dislike the foreign policy driven by the White House. But I can tell the difference between a foreign policy and chatting with a lady in Safeway in Bend, Oregon about the High Desert.

[diuretic]

and prager is right.

The left has its own religion, global warming, gays or whatever it is to fill their sad little void.

while we have god

funny enough even atheists and gays are welcome in the party

I doubt if Prager has ever been right - his stuff is very wobbly :laugh2:

[glockmail]

Speaking for me. Only an idiot would hate a country because of its leader(s).

Yes I dislike the foreign policy driven by the White House. But I can tell the difference between a foreign policy and chatting with a lady in Safeway in Bend, Oregon about the High Desert.
Why should we care if some Aussie, or the whole damn country, dislikes our foreign policy? In my book that means we must be doing something right.

We don't need the rest of the world, but they need us. I say screw 'em.

[diuretic]

Why should we care if some Aussie, or the whole damn country, dislikes our foreign policy? In my book that means we must be doing something right.

We don't need the rest of the world, but they need us. I say screw 'em.

Mr Cranky! :laugh2:

Missed the point as usual :coffee:

[glockmail]

Mr Cranky! :laugh2:

Missed the point as usual :coffee: Mr. Honest. Fact is, we don't give a damn about how the rest of the world thinks about us. We don't need 'em.

[diuretic]

Mr. Honest. Fact is, we don't give a damn about how the rest of the world thinks about us. We don't need 'em.

Being close-minded about what the rest of the world thinks is your privilege.

That you don't need the rest of the world is no longer tenable. The days of splendid isolationism are over. You're in hock to other nations, that's the reality.

Yes, I know, my tiny country is a pissy little regional economy and has no influence in the world - just saving you the trouble :laugh2:

[glockmail]

Closed minded has nothing to do with it.

If we owe money than we'll pay it back. We could shut down our borders tommorow and be fine, but all hell would break loose outside.

We don't need them, but they need us.

[diuretic]

Closed minded has nothing to do with it.

If we owe money than we'll pay it back. We could shut down our borders tommorow and be fine, but all hell would break loose outside.

We don't need them, but they need us.

It's much more than a question of owing money, it's not like you owe a few bucks to yhour local payday lender. But never mind, now I sound like I'm carping and I don't want to go there.

I don't understand the isolationist tendency that sometimes come out in discussions with Americans. Having that said I have to acknowledge that plenty of my compatriots in Australia will have a negative reflexive response if they hear an American accent (even in my little bit of Australia it's surprising how often you hear various North American accents). I think I've pointed out before that here in sunny Australia with a the chuck another shrimp on the barbie, you don't have to scratch too deep to find the xenophobia. Apparently tourists are okay but if you want to live here then we get all unpleasant. Sad. But I digress.

Fact is that the US - like the rest of us - can't shut its borders down and refuse to deal with the rest of the world. For one thing, you - like us - don't make much any more. I know people bang on about WalMart getting stuff from China but in my country it's just as bad and worse for us being a very small economy. Both the US and Australia import goods that we no longer make.

The other thing is that you don't export much.

Happily for us we're a very large country in land mass but with a very small population.

At present we're cheerily digging up our minerals and selling them to China and India for megabucks (what we should be doing is the value-added thing but we seem to have given up in favour of the quick return) and of course we export food (that's something we might need to look at in years to come).

But the US doesn't seem to actually sell much stuff to everyone else any more. You do buy it, which is good for everyone else but I think not so good for you in the long term.

Like it or not international engagement is a necessity, for all of us.

[glockmail]

It's much more than a question of owing money, it's not like you owe a few bucks to yhour local payday lender. But never mind, now I sound like I'm carping and I don't want to go there.

I don't understand the isolationist tendency that sometimes come out in discussions with Americans. Having that said I have to acknowledge that plenty of my compatriots in Australia will have a negative reflexive response if they hear an American accent (even in my little bit of Australia it's surprising how often you hear various North American accents). I think I've pointed out before that here in sunny Australia with a the chuck another shrimp on the barbie, you don't have to scratch too deep to find the xenophobia. Apparently tourists are okay but if you want to live here then we get all unpleasant. Sad. But I digress.

Fact is that the US - like the rest of us - can't shut its borders down and refuse to deal with the rest of the world. For one thing, you - like us - don't make much any more. I know people bang on about WalMart getting stuff from China but in my country it's just as bad and worse for us being a very small economy. Both the US and Australia import goods that we no longer make.

The other thing is that you don't export much.

Happily for us we're a very large country in land mass but with a very small population.

At present we're cheerily digging up our minerals and selling them to China and India for megabucks (what we should be doing is the value-added thing but we seem to have given up in favour of the quick return) and of course we export food (that's something we might need to look at in years to come).

But the US doesn't seem to actually sell much stuff to everyone else any more. You do buy it, which is good for everyone else but I think not so good for you in the long term.

Like it or not international engagement is a necessity, for all of us.

I'll change my vaction plans then. Instead of vissiting Aussieville I'll visit Alaska during the summer. A lot more wild and less people giving me the finger behind my back.

We grow more food than we can eat, so that's not an issue. True we don't manufacture as much as we used to, but we invented manufacturing, and in fact have manufactured just about anything, and we haven't forgotten how. We've got plenty of iron, aluminum, gold, titanium, an uranium ore right here. We also have all the energy sources that we need right here, in coal, nuclear, natural gas, and oil. We are lacking no natural or human resource that a modern society needs or want.

I'm not saying that there wouldn't be some short term pain if the US isolated itself. If we streamlined the tax laws and millions of IRS employees, tax attorneys and lawyers would be available as factory workers, for example. There have been many times in our history where we have endured more drastic changes. But we always come out for the better.

[gabosaurus]

Of course, we all believe the extreme right-wing nutcases :rolleyes: