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Kathianne
12-09-2007, 09:59 AM
Oh dear...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html


Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002
In Meetings, Spy Panels' Chiefs Did Not Protest, Officials Say

By Joby Warrick and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, December 9, 2007; A01

In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.

Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

"The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough," said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.

Congressional leaders from both parties would later seize on waterboarding as a symbol of the worst excesses of the Bush administration's counterterrorism effort. The CIA last week admitted that videotape of an interrogation of one of the waterboarded detainees was destroyed in 2005 against the advice of Justice Department and White House officials, provoking allegations that its actions were illegal and the destruction was a coverup.

Yet long before "waterboarding" entered the public discourse, the CIA gave key legislative overseers about 30 private briefings, some of which included descriptions of that technique and other harsh interrogation methods, according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge.

With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan).

Individual lawmakers' recollections of the early briefings varied dramatically, but officials present during the meetings described the reaction as mostly quiet acquiescence, if not outright support. "Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing," said Goss, who chaired the House intelligence committee from 1997 to 2004 and then served as CIA director from 2004 to 2006. "And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement."...

Sir Evil
12-09-2007, 10:02 AM
I'm completely shocked! :laugh:

Abbey Marie
12-09-2007, 12:22 PM
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Yet long before "waterboarding" entered the public discourse, the CIA gave key legislative overseers about 30 private briefings, some of which included descriptions of that technique and other harsh interrogation methods, according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge.

With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan).
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"Corruption and hypocrisy ought not to be inevitable products of democracy, as they undoubtedly are today”
Mahatma Gandhi

“The only vice that cannot be forgiven is hypocrisy. The repentance of a hypocrite is itself hypocrisy.”
William Hazlitt

Dilloduck
12-09-2007, 12:37 PM
--Not to mention the fact that Waterboarding proved quite effective in SPITE of all the claims that it doesn't work.

Kathianne
12-09-2007, 12:55 PM
--Not to mention the fact that Waterboarding proved quite effective in SPITE of all the claims that it doesn't work.

True, but it's a useless tool now, everyone knows they won't die, just feel like they are drowning.

Dilloduck
12-09-2007, 12:59 PM
True, but it's a useless tool now, everyone knows they won't die, just feel like they are drowning.

uh---I bet it still works pretty good. Ever come close to drowning? I'd be happy to spill the beans if someone would stop that feeling.

Kathianne
12-09-2007, 01:09 PM
uh---I bet it still works pretty good. Ever come close to drowning? I'd be happy to spill the beans if someone would stop that feeling.

My understanding, which could be flawed, is that with training it's not hard to resist. When it was 'unknown' different case altogether.

Dilloduck
12-09-2007, 01:17 PM
My understanding, which could be flawed, is that with training it's not hard to resist. When it was 'unknown' different case altogether.

If ever captured I'm simply going to tell my captors that they can't torture me because it's against the law. That outta work.:laugh2:

(forgot---gonna demand to see my lawyer too)