Bush surging, not fading, as tenure's end nears

[red states rule]

No wonder libs are in a fould mood these days, the policies of Pres Bush they attack are having a psoitive effect on the lives of Americans


Bush surging, not fading, as tenure's end nears

By Ron Christie
December 11, 2007

Recent polls placing President Bush’s approval numbers near 30 percent miss an important distinction: The policies and positions the president has advocated since 2001 have led to significant results in recent days. In short, the presidency of George W. Bush is surging, rather than waning, with little more than one year remaining in his term.

On the domestic front, the tax cuts the president pushed through the Congress have led to remarkable economic growth, low unemployment and record-high tax receipts that members of Congress can hardly wait to spend. New data released last week showed that America added 94,000 jobs in November 2007 — capping a remarkable 51 straight months in which jobs have been created in our economy. Despite partisan claims that the economy is soft, more than 8.3 million jobs have been created since August 2003 and unemployment remains low (4.7 percent). America remains open for business.

More Americans have more money in their savings accounts and in their wallets as a result of the Bush tax cuts. Despite talk on Capitol Hill of rolling back the president’s tax cuts that “benefit only the wealthy” Democrats have been loath to pass legislation and return to their districts to explain why raising taxes and eliminating the popular $500 per child tax credit is good public policy. Not going to happen anytime soon.

Roundly criticized back in 2001 for his position on stem cell research, the president’s resolve and strength to draw a moral boundary line to protect innocent unborn life has been vindicated. Despite the yammering that the president had hampered scientific progress in stem cell research, despite the vicious demagogy and false claims that if the president hadn’t placed restrictions on how federal funds were spent, people would rise and walk from their wheelchairs, scientists announced last week they could produce an embryo-free way to produce genetically matched stem cells. Or put another way, the president’s decision to draw a bright moral line against destroying human life while providing federal dollars for the first time to stimulate stem cell research has proven successful. The silence in the media about this remarkable development has been deafening.

Equally deafening have been the media (and congressional Democrats’) reaction to success on the ground in Iraq. After linking vital resources to fight the war on terrorism to a timetable for troop withdrawals, Congress has failed on numerous occasions in recent months to hamstring the president’s ability to conduct the war as commander in chief. And despite claims that the surge of troops and the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus and President Bush have failed, even ardent foe Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) has concluded that the surge in Iraq is working.

Not content to celebrate the success of our brave men and women in uniform who put their lives on the line every day to provide stability in a volatile region of the world, congressional Democrats now claim that while the surge might be working, the Iraqis have “failed” to produce meaningful political results on the ground. Once again, facts get in the way of those on the Hill who are pressing — wishing — for an American defeat on the ground in Iraq.

Absent from media coverage of late is the fact that the central government of Iraq has reached its 2007 budget revenue target of $30.2 billion. This figure is derived from oil revenues — revenues of which the Democrats have criticized the Iraqis and President Bush for not capturing to fund the cost of the new government in Baghdad. This criticism now rings hollow.

Similarly, 40 Iraqi leaders were killed in Iraq during the month of November and Lt. General Ray Odierno has reported that the has been a 23-week decline — nearly six months — in insurgent deaths and attacks upon Iraqi civilians. This decrease in violence has led thousands of civilians to return to the country each and every day to reopen their schools, businesses and neighborhoods that have long been abandoned due to violence.

In Mosul, the airport opened for the first time in 14 years for commercial aviation flights. In a region of the country long associated with violence, Iraqi Airlines is now open for business. While there is always a potential for violence to flare up, Iraqi civilians have returned home to provinces all around the country that had previously been strongholds held by terrorists and Saddam loyalists.

Political stability long thought to be an elusive dream is becoming a daily reality across Iraq.
From the surge in Iraq, vindication with his stem cell position and strong economic development on the home front, President George W. Bush has hit his stride and is surging rather than limping into his last year in office. For those who have counted him out, the president remains resolute, perhaps comfortable in the knowledge that history, rather than bitter partisans in Washington, will favorably reflect on his two terms in office for waging an effective war against terrorism while demonstrating capable stewardship and remarkable domestic accomplishments during a time of war.

http://thehill.com/op-eds/bush-suging-not-fading-as-tenures-end-nears-2007-12-11.html

[retiredman]

I got dizzy reading that article:laugh2:

It seems as if there is an important distinction that the author (who, or course would NEVER be RSR, a poorly programmed spambot incapable of independent thought) missed here:

Bush'a approval ratings remain mired in the high 20's and low 30's!!!!!


YOu can spin that until your clothes are dry, but that ain't no "surge"!:dance:

[red states rule]

I got dizzy reading that article:laugh2:

It seems as if there is an important distinction that the author (who, or course would NEVER be RSR, a poorly programmed spambot incapable of independent thought) missed here:

Bush'a approval ratings remain mired in the high 20's and low 30's!!!!!


YOu can spin that until your clothes are dry, but that ain't no "surge"!:dance:

Actually Pres Bush is in the mid 30's while the Dem run Congress is in the low 20's

The voters love all the "accomplishments" the Dems have achieved during their 11 months in power

[retiredman]

Actually Pres Bush is in the mid 30's while the Dem run Congress is in the low 20's

The voters love all the "accomplishments" the Dems have achieved during their 11 months in power

you mean that congress that is made up of 50% republicans?

still...nice dodge away from the fact that your cut and paste op-ed piece states Bush is SURGING and that is flat out bullshit! :dance:

[red states rule]

you mean that congress that is made up of 50% republicans?

still...nice dodge away from the fact that your cut and paste op-ed piece states Bush is SURGING and that is flat out bullshit! :dance:

Keep dreaming, your Dems are sinking

All their accomplishments must be making people jumping for joy

[retiredman]

Keep dreaming, your Dems are sinking

All their accomplishments must be making people jumping for joy


I guess that is why the people continue to rate them higher than congressional republicans.

I guess that is why the people continue to prefer D's over R's in congressional contests.

I guess that is why the people continue to prefer Democratic presidential candidates to republicans.:dance:

[red states rule]

I guess that is why the people continue to rate them higher than congressional republicans.

I guess that is why the people continue to prefer D's over R's in congressional contests.

I guess that is why the people continue to prefer Democratic presidential candidates to republicans.:dance:

Dems are tanking - and you keep ducking

Tell us again all their accomplishments and why their kook base is going after them

[retiredman]

Dems are tanking - and you keep ducking

Tell us again all their accomplishments and why their kook base is going after them

it is impossible to accomplish anything of substance when the republicans have a filibuster-strength senate caucus and a republican is in the white house. any fool understands that.

and the left wing of my party may make a lot of noise, but in the end, they will come around and vote for the D. guaranteed!

[red states rule]

it is impossible to accomplish anything of substance when the republicans have a filibuster-strength senate caucus and a republican is in the white house. any fool understands that.

and the left wing of my party may make a lot of noise, but in the end, they will come around and vote for the D. guaranteed!

So now your party's dismal failures are the fault of Republicans. When Dems were the minority it was all about the rights of the minority

Dems have broken every promise made - they are adding pork, screwing the troops, wanting to raise taxes by over $1 trillion, take over the duties of the CIC - and you wonder why the voters are pissed at the Dems

[retiredman]

and you wonder why the voters are pissed at the Dems

I wonder why the voters are MORE pissed at the republicans!!!!

actually, I don't wonder that at all. I know.:laugh2:

[red states rule]

I wonder why the voters are MORE pissed at the republicans!!!!

actually, I don't wonder that at all. I know.:laugh2:

Keep thinking that as the Dems numbers continue to slide south

Having trouble listing all those Dem accomplishements, eh?

[retiredman]

Keep thinking that as the Dems numbers continue to slide south

Having trouble listing all those Dem accomplishements, eh?

I will keep thinking that. Democrats continue to poll better than republicans...democrats are preferred in congressional contests nationwide....democrats are way ahead of any republican presidential candidate.

[Sir Evil]

Bush'a approval ratings remain mired in the high 20's and low 30's!!!!!


So what, it's not like he is running for re-election. Thing is the approval ratings didn't mean dookie when he was running for re-election but it now some how matters after his 8 years in office are drawing to an end? Does it make one feel good to say it makes a difference when he will be leaving office anyway. This along with those factual polls of yours have proven exactly squat.....Who Cares?

[red states rule]

I will keep thinking that. Democrats continue to poll better than republicans...democrats are preferred in congressional contests nationwide....democrats are way ahead of any republican presidential candidate.

Even with more Dems in the sample, all the Dem Congress could get was a 25% approval

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client/act_dsp_pdf.cfm?name=mr071211-1topline2.pdf&id=3755

[red states rule]

So what, it's not like he is running for re-election. Thing is the approval ratings didn't mean dookie when he was running for re-election but it now some how matters after his 8 years in office are drawing to an end? Does it make one feel good to say it makes a difference when he will be leaving office anyway. This along with those factual polls of yours have proven exactly squat.....Who Cares?

That is the point. Dems will have to run on something other then their hate for Pres Bush

Dems will have to come up with some NEW ideas

[retiredman]

So what, it's not like he is running for re-election. Thing is the approval ratings didn't mean dookie when he was running for re-election but it now some how matters after his 8 years in office are drawing to an end? Does it make one feel good to say it makes a difference when he will be leaving office anyway. This along with those factual polls of yours have proven exactly squat.....Who Cares?

much like in 2000 when Bush was symbolicly running against the purported moral bankruptcy of the Clinton administration even as it was actually running against Gore, the democrats in 2008 will be running against the eight year record of Bush and tying whoever you nominate to him with an anchor chain.

[red states rule]

much like in 2000 when Bush was symbolicly running against the purported moral bankruptcy of the Clinton administration even as it was actually running against Gore, the democrats in 2008 will be running against the eight year record of Bush and tying whoever you nominate to him with an anchor chain.

Do run against his record

a growing economy, wages are up, the Dow is up, low interest rates, near full employment, dead terrorists, no attacks on US soil, and the troops winning in Iraq

Explain how you libs are against all that

[Sir Evil]

much like in 2000 when Bush was symbolicly running against the purported moral bankruptcy of the Clinton administration even as it was actually running against Gore, the democrats in 2008 will be running against the eight year record of Bush and tying whoever you nominate to him with an anchor chain.

This another thing that is very apparent with most of you democrats, you draw a clear line in the sand, the whole us against them mentality. Really, running against the 8 year record of Bush? What will it prove, that the dems are better? Yes we already know that the dems are eager to show this, they are eager to show that huge divide in our society today, they are eager to show that the war at home is more important than anything else today.

[Classact]

The Democratic and Republican party are competing for women votes. At this point it is all about emotions... Democrats all run full bore emotions and the press props up their emotions with support for social programs and screw the war... we can "give you" ________with the war money we won't spend.

Emotions can change drastically in days let alone months and the Democratic Party is falling apart as they fail to bring home the bacon. Both parties owe pay backs and now would be a good time to fire incumbents and hire a new group of congress and Executive branch... I guess that is why Ron Paul is so popular in the far reaches of the Republicans and widely supported by independents... Paul will not make it but that means Clinton won't make it either... because she represents "stay the course".

People are pissed about illegal immigration and as it comes forward in the debate as we head towards election the Democrats will suffer and the Republican hard liners supporting strict immigration will garner the emotions from the women and the votes from the men. The dems are imploding and will destroy themselves from in-fighting.

[retiredman]

Do run against his record

a growing economy, wages are up, the Dow is up, low interest rates, near full employment, dead terrorists, no attacks on US soil, and the troops winning in Iraq

Explain how you libs are against all that

We will run against Bush...and it will be effective. Hell, right now, 70+% of Americans give him a negative approval rating. There are an awful lot of republicans in that number! And an awful lot of independents, too!

I guarantee you that every R running for the job right now has had his picture taken with Dubya. I guarantee you that that photo will be featured in at least one democratic campaign ad. Your next nominee will have Bush around his neck like an albatross.:laugh2:

[red states rule]

We will run against Bush...and it will be effective. Hell, right now, 70+% of Americans give him a negative approval rating. There are an awful lot of republicans in that number! And an awful lot of independents, too!

I guarantee you that every R running for the job right now has had his picture taken with Dubya. I guarantee you that that photo will be featured in at least one democratic campaign ad. Your next nominee will have Bush around his neck like an albatross.:laugh2:

You are not up on current events

Gallop was out yesterday with a surge in Pres Bush's approval number - as the Dem Congress continues to slide

The huge lead Dems had in the Generic Congressional Ballot is now down to 9 points

[stephanie]

I am sitting up here in nowhere Alaska laughing my ass off...

I don't need to really campaign against the Democrats who have taken over the Senate and the House..

They could never control themselves to shuck and jive their agenda in front of the American people...because they really believe we WANT their Nanny State GOVERMENT SOCIALIST programs implemented..and how dare most of us don't....

It's the most amazing laugh and grins I ever need...to see the Democrats...Implode...Not only are they not cohesive...they have every GROUP WHO they feel they owe them something....
Enviromentalist....
Unions
socialist..
communist...
coming after their asses...

But when they get in office....they can't even begin to satisfy all of them...

They forget...there is another party that is not going to allow them to run rusphod over everyone....and they can't stand it...

Code pinko and moveon. orgie is now getting ready to TURN ON THE DEMOCRATS....

I LOVE IT....yeehaa....run with the scumbags...they'll turn around and stab ya in back....:dance:

[red states rule]

I am sitting up here in nowhere Alaska laughing my ass off...

I don't need to really campaign against the Democrats who have taken over the Senate and the House..

They could never control themselves to shuck and jive their agenda in front of the American people...because they really believe we WANT their Nanny State GOVERMENT SOCIALIST programs implemented..and how dare most of us don't....

It's the most amazing laugh and grins I ever need...to see the Democrats...Implode...Not only are they not cohesive...they have every GROUP WHO they feel they owe them something....
Enviromentalist....
Unions
socialist..
communist...
coming after their asses...

But when they get in office....they can't even begin to satisfy all of them...

They forget...there is another party that is not going to allow them to run rusphod over everyone....and they can't stand it...

Code pinko and moveon. orgie is now getting ready to TURN ON THE DEMOCRATS....

I LOVE IT....yeehaa....run with the scumbags...they'll turn around and stab ya in back....:dance:



Be of good cheer Stephanie! This is typical of the left. When they are in power their arrogance takes over and they walk over anyone who gets in their way

Dems are screwing the troops over war funding, screwing the taxpayers with their spending, and it is clear for all to see

Libs lived by polls during the Clinton years and in the early years of Pres Bush. Now they ignore the currwent polls showing they are in the toilet and on their way to waste disposal plant

[stephanie]

Be of good cheer Stephanie! This is typical of the left. When they are in power their arrogance takes over and they walk over anyone who gets in their way

Dems are screwing the troops over war funding, screwing the taxpayers with their spending, and it is clear for all to see

Libs lived by polls during the Clinton years and in the early years of Pres Bush. Now they ignore the current polls showing they are in the toilet and on their way to waste disposal plant

I do feel bad for all the old thinking Democrats of old...

What I don't see....is that they don't see...is that the Democrat Party has been taken over by the most radicals of the Socialist and Communist element of our society...

I do feel sorry for the old Dem...hanging onto what the Democratic party or old was like...I at least had some respect for them...Because I was one of them...But I saw the Democrat Party being taken over...That's when I move out back in the 80's...

I'm sorry...

[red states rule]

I do feel bad for all the old thinking Democrats of old...

What I don't see is what they don't see...is that the Democrat Party has been taken over by the most radicals of the Socialist and Communist element of our society...

I do feel sorry for the old Dem...hanging onto what the Democratic party or old was like...I at least had some respect for them...

That is what happens when a political party puts their party ahead of their country

Right now, most Dems do not give a shit about the troops, the voters, or national security

All they care about is power. That is what they think about as soon as they wake up, and is the last thing they think about as they fall alseep

JFK and Truman would be Republicans if they were alive today

[diuretic]

Radicals? The Democrats are the other side of the coin from Republicans :laugh2: There's not a radical among them - jeez steph, take a chill pill, the Dems are as radical as my left toe, oops, sorry, my right toe :laugh2:

[red states rule]

Radicals? The Democrats are the other side of the coin from Republicans :laugh2: There's not a radical among them - jeez steph, take a chill pill, the Dems are as radical as my left toe, oops, sorry, my right toe :laugh2:

Not radicals - they are more like kooks and moonbats

They do want the government to take over as much of the private sector as they can suck up

[stephanie]

Radicals? The Democrats are the other side of the coin from Republicans :laugh2: There's not a radical among them - jeez steph, take a chill pill, the Dems are as radical as my left toe, oops, sorry, my right toe :laugh2:

You have some room to talk...You have just elected a radical...who is going to sell you country out for the environmentalist.....I always looked at you all as being bread and raised as making on your on...but now I see you all have sold out...HOW'D THAT HAPPEN??

Come back and talk to me...when ya all wake up...:dance:

[red states rule]

You have some room to talk...You have just elected a radical...who is going to sell you country out for the environmentalist.....I always looked at you all as being bread and raised as making on your on...but now I see you all have sold out...HOW'D THAT HAPPEN??

Come back and talk to me...when ya all wake up...:dance:

The lib ran on signing Kyoto - but when elected he fliped and said he would not

Like libs here in the US, they say one thing to fool the voters, then give them a one finger salute after sworn in

[red states rule]

I have to laugh when libs rant how rotten the US economy is

Libs never allow facts to get in the way of their talking points



Upbeat jobs tempo
By Lawrence Kudlow

December 13, 2007
Following last week's solid jobs report, the New York Times got back to its Bush-bashing recession mantra with the Page One headline: "Slowing growth and jobs seen as ominous sign for the economy."

This chant has been going on for quite some time. Doom and gloom from the economic pessimists has been political sport for seven years, even though the Bush boom just celebrated its sixth anniversary. The current expansion is now in its 74th month — 17 months longer than the average 57-month business cycle since World War II.

Jobs are an "ominous sign for the economy"? The latest jobs report says America is still working, with 94,000 new corporate payrolls in November and a rolling average of 103,000 job increases for the last three months. Along with a 4.7 percent unemployment rate, there is no evidence of a recessionary collapse in jobs. Even the household job count, which picks up small businesses, surged 696,000 in November, with a 303,000 average gain over the last three months.

Jobs are paying more, too. Worker wages are rising 3.8 percent over the past year, a full percentage point ahead of inflation. In fact, growth in total compensation for the entire work force is rising at a 3.3 percent pace after inflation. University of Michigan Professor Mark Perry, writing in his Carpe Diem blog, says this is the best performance in seven years.

But wait, there's more. U.S. productivity surged 6.3 percent in the third quarter, its best pace in four years. A big rise in output per person is good for profits, growth and low inflation. Business inflation has come down from 3½ percent a year ago to 1½ percent today. U.S. household net worth just scored a new record high of $58.6 trillion, with financial asset gains outpacing the drop in real estate values.

According to Mr. Perry, household wealth has risen 43 percent in just the last five years, despite $100 per barrel oil, $3 per gallon gasoline, and the subprime mortgage infection in the housing sector. The stock market, probably the best leading indicator of the future economy, appears just as resilient. Despite these same challenges, it is overcoming a brief correction and looks set to rise by roughly 10 percent this year.

Yes, economic growth may indeed pause to roughly 2 percent in the next couple of quarters, the result of two years of overly tight money from the Federal Reserve and the ensuing upturn in subprime defaults and foreclosures. You can call it Goldilocks 2.0. But you can't call it a recession.

Even the housing market has its share of positive developments. Mortgage refinancings are up nearly 70 percent as mortgage rates on 15- and 30-year loans are down nearly 100 basis points. Such events may help cushion the plunge in home sales and will eventually stabilize prices.


for the complete article

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20071213/COMMENTARY04/112130008/1012/COMMENTARY

[diuretic]

Not radicals - they are more like kooks and moonbats

They do want the government to take over as much of the private sector as they can suck up

No they don't, that wouldn't occur to them and if it did they'd have a collective swooning session and have to take smelling salts :laugh2:

[diuretic]

You have some room to talk...You have just elected a radical...who is going to sell you country out for the environmentalist.....I always looked at you all as being bread and raised as making on your on...but now I see you all have sold out...HOW'D THAT HAPPEN??

Come back and talk to me...when ya all wake up...:dance:

Hah, we're happy as Larry with Kev! You have Bush, we've got Kev :laugh2:

[diuretic]

The lib ran on signing Kyoto - but when elected he fliped and said he would not

Like libs here in the US, they say one thing to fool the voters, then give them a one finger salute after sworn in

Ah, Howard (reactionary) signed it way back when, Kev (progressive) ratified it :coffee:

[red states rule]

No they don't, that wouldn't occur to them and if it did they'd have a collective swooning session and have to take smelling salts :laugh2:

All that matters to liobs is increasing their power and size of the government

It failed in France and Germany and they voted for conservatives. There is hope for them now

[diuretic]

All that matters to liobs is increasing their power and size of the government

It failed in France and Germany and they voted for conservatives. There is hope for them now

:laugh2: Hang on, it's going to be a wild ride!

[red states rule]

Ah, Howard (reactionary) signed it way back when, Kev (progressive) ratified it :coffee:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22883548-662,00.html

[diuretic]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22883548-662,00.html

That's this particular round, the Baii conference. Kev, being a smart cookie, is waiting for an economic analysis (author Ross Garnaut - Google him, interesting bloke), and will not be rushed. That's our Kev! Smart cookie! :cheers2:

[red states rule]

That's this particular round, the Baii conference. Kev, being a smart cookie, is waiting for an economic analysis (author Ross Garnaut - Google him, interesting bloke), and will not be rushed. That's our Kev! Smart cookie! :cheers2:

All those enviro wackos gathering in Bali, lecturing us how we need to conserve energy - and the airport ran out of room to park all the private jets :lol:

[stephanie]

Hah, we're happy as Larry with Kev! You have Bush, we've got Kev :laugh2:

I never thought I'd see you Aussies sell out..

I always saw you all like our old cowboys from out west...Dont need any government interference to tell you how to live your life..???

I'm sad and disappointed to see ya all go down so easily.....

[red states rule]

I never thought I'd see you Aussies sell out..

I always saw you all like our old cowboys from out west...Dont need any government interference to tell you how to live your life..???

I'm sad and disappointed to see ya all go down so easily.....

I guess the Aussies think they are to stupid to live their lives without help from their government

That is what libs think here in America

[diuretic]

All those enviro wackos gathering in Bali, lecturing us how we need to conserve energy - and the airport ran out of room to park all the private jets :lol:

I couldn't give a toss if they took the bus or a plane, what does it matter? Why don't you check out the travel arrangements of the bright sparks who are supplying you with the talking points? :laugh2:

[diuretic]

I never thought I'd see you Aussies sell out..

I always saw you all like our old cowboys from out west...Dont need any government interference to tell you how to live your life..???

I'm sad and disappointed to see ya all go down so easily.....

Nah, we have a different culture from the US steph, we tend to care about each other, despite the last 11 years of Howardism. In the end we were repulsed so he got the boot. After the Howard years we're heading back to our normal cultural values. You'd decry it as some sort of collectivism but we don't care, this is going back to the land of the fair go after the shite that Howard gave us.

[red states rule]

I couldn't give a toss if they took the bus or a plane, what does it matter? Why don't you check out the travel arrangements of the bright sparks who are supplying you with the talking points? :laugh2:

It shows a common thing with liberals. They lecture us on how we need to live our lives - while they so live their lives in a similiar way

Libs seldom walk the walk - they just talk

[diuretic]

It shows a common thing with liberals. They lecture us on how we need to live our lives - while they so live their lives in a similiar way

Libs seldom walk the walk - they just talk

Maybe in the States, but not here. We don't have a culture of elites. Sure, we can toss around the insults about "chardonnay-drinking socialists" (which I think may equate to "limousine socialists") but they're really taunts and not grounded in reality. We're just pleased to have a federal government that is going to take us back to our normal cultural values after the un-Australian Howard era.

[red states rule]

Maybe in the States, but not here. We don't have a culture of elites. Sure, we can toss around the insults about "chardonnay-drinking socialists" (which I think may equate to "limousine socialists") but they're really taunts and not grounded in reality. We're just pleased to have a federal government that is going to take us back to our normal cultural values after the un-Australian Howard era.

If you want a nanny state go for it. France and Germany found it did not work - you will to in time

[diuretic]

If you want a nanny state go for it. France and Germany found it did not work - you will to in time

"Nanny state" is just a propaganda phrase. If I took you to task over it and we hammered it out in a formal thread debate I think it might provide an interesting debate. I'd be prepared to give it a go.

As for us, our cultural values are different from the US. We might rail against the "nanny state" when it ticks us off that something's happening that gets up the collective nose but we do have as a central cultural value concern for the wellbeing of other citizens. If that's a "nanny state" then I'll proudly say, yes, we support it. If you like seeing your fellow citizens starve to death that's your business.

[red states rule]

"Nanny state" is just a propaganda phrase. If I took you to task over it and we hammered it out in a formal thread debate I think it might provide an interesting debate. I'd be prepared to give it a go.

As for us, our cultural values are different from the US. We might rail against the "nanny state" when it ticks us off that something's happening that gets up the collective nose but we do have as a central cultural value concern for the wellbeing of other citizens. If that's a "nanny state" then I'll proudly say, yes, we support it. If you like seeing your fellow citizens starve to death that's your business.

Starving to death? You must not be up on current economic events in the US. We have a great economy and most economic indicators are going in the correct direction

Libs are trying to talk down our economy - but the facts go against them. Which usually happens to libs

If you want to look to government to fill all your wants and needs - try it. In time you will see it will not work out and perhaps you will come to your senses

[diuretic]

Starving to death? You must not be up on current economic events in the US. We have a great economy and most economic indicators are going in the correct direction

Libs are trying to talk down our economy - but the facts go against them. Which usually happens to libs

If you want to look to government to fill all your wants and needs - try it. In time you will see it will not work out and perhaps you will come to your senses

As i said, cultural differences. We don't see government as "ruler", we see government as ourselves. We're not into fear of our government because we know we can turf them if need be. We see government as being there to serves us, to help us help each other. We don't see it as fulfilling all our wants and needs, we can do that for ourselves, but we do so government as doing things in a collective manner that we can't do for ourselves on an individual basis. And we approve of government helping out the least fortunate. That's a strong cultural value for us. We tend to reject the idea of "loser", we prefer to lend a hand to help.

[red states rule]

As i said, cultural differences. We don't see government as "ruler", we see government as ourselves. We're not into fear of our government because we know we can turf them if need be. We see government as being there to serves us, to help us help each other. We don't see it as fulfilling all our wants and needs, we can do that for ourselves, but we do so government as doing things in a collective manner that we can't do for ourselves on an individual basis. And we approve of government helping out the least fortunate. That's a strong cultural value for us. We tend to reject the idea of "loser", we prefer to lend a hand to help.

Libs look across Amercia and they see nothing good. The economy is rolling along, people are working and making money, and the times are good

Libs want to see the masses crawling to the nearest Federal building for the substance. Libs want as many people as possible dependent on government - that is where they get their power

[glockmail]

As i said, cultural differences. We don't see government as "ruler", we see government as ourselves. We're not into fear of our government because we know we can turf them if need be. We see government as being there to serves us, to help us help each other. We don't see it as fulfilling all our wants and needs, we can do that for ourselves, but we do so government as doing things in a collective manner that we can't do for ourselves on an individual basis. And we approve of government helping out the least fortunate. That's a strong cultural value for us. We tend to reject the idea of "loser", we prefer to lend a hand to help.
You say "we" but I think the word "I" would be more appropriate.

[glockmail]

I got dizzy reading that article:laugh2:

It seems as if there is an important distinction that the author (who, or course would NEVER be RSR, a poorly programmed spambot incapable of independent thought) missed here:

Bush'a approval ratings remain mired in the high 20's and low 30's!!!!!


YOu can spin that until your clothes are dry, but that ain't no "surge"!:dance:
Its still twice what the Democrat Congress is polling, and on the rise.

[diuretic]

You say "we" but I think the word "I" would be more appropriate.

http://tinyurl.com/226gwj

That's a reflection on this country under Howardism before the election that turfed him out. We explicitly rejected what he had done to us. His party, he is no longer in the parliament, is out of power and likely to be for at least two terms because of where he had taken us. I think I can fairly judge and reflect on the national mood and yes, it does accord with my own values but that doesn't invalidate my judgement.

[April15]

No wonder libs are in a fould mood these days, the policies of Pres Bush they attack are having a psoitive effect on the lives of Americans


Bush surging, not fading, as tenure's end nears

By Ron Christie
December 11, 2007

Recent polls placing President Bush’s approval numbers near 30 percent miss an important distinction: The policies and positions the president has advocated since 2001 have led to significant results in recent days. In short, the presidency of George W. Bush is surging, rather than waning, with little more than one year remaining in his term.

On the domestic front, the tax cuts the president pushed through the Congress have led to remarkable economic growth, low unemployment and record-high tax receipts that members of Congress can hardly wait to spend. New data released last week showed that America added 94,000 jobs in November 2007 — capping a remarkable 51 straight months in which jobs have been created in our economy. Despite partisan claims that the economy is soft, more than 8.3 million jobs have been created since August 2003 and unemployment remains low (4.7 percent). America remains open for business.

More Americans have more money in their savings accounts and in their wallets as a result of the Bush tax cuts. Despite talk on Capitol Hill of rolling back the president’s tax cuts that “benefit only the wealthy” Democrats have been loath to pass legislation and return to their districts to explain why raising taxes and eliminating the popular $500 per child tax credit is good public policy. Not going to happen anytime soon.

Roundly criticized back in 2001 for his position on stem cell research, the president’s resolve and strength to draw a moral boundary line to protect innocent unborn life has been vindicated. Despite the yammering that the president had hampered scientific progress in stem cell research, despite the vicious demagogy and false claims that if the president hadn’t placed restrictions on how federal funds were spent, people would rise and walk from their wheelchairs, scientists announced last week they could produce an embryo-free way to produce genetically matched stem cells. Or put another way, the president’s decision to draw a bright moral line against destroying human life while providing federal dollars for the first time to stimulate stem cell research has proven successful. The silence in the media about this remarkable development has been deafening.

Equally deafening have been the media (and congressional Democrats’) reaction to success on the ground in Iraq. After linking vital resources to fight the war on terrorism to a timetable for troop withdrawals, Congress has failed on numerous occasions in recent months to hamstring the president’s ability to conduct the war as commander in chief. And despite claims that the surge of troops and the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus and President Bush have failed, even ardent foe Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) has concluded that the surge in Iraq is working.

Not content to celebrate the success of our brave men and women in uniform who put their lives on the line every day to provide stability in a volatile region of the world, congressional Democrats now claim that while the surge might be working, the Iraqis have “failed” to produce meaningful political results on the ground. Once again, facts get in the way of those on the Hill who are pressing — wishing — for an American defeat on the ground in Iraq.

Absent from media coverage of late is the fact that the central government of Iraq has reached its 2007 budget revenue target of $30.2 billion. This figure is derived from oil revenues — revenues of which the Democrats have criticized the Iraqis and President Bush for not capturing to fund the cost of the new government in Baghdad. This criticism now rings hollow.

Similarly, 40 Iraqi leaders were killed in Iraq during the month of November and Lt. General Ray Odierno has reported that the has been a 23-week decline — nearly six months — in insurgent deaths and attacks upon Iraqi civilians. This decrease in violence has led thousands of civilians to return to the country each and every day to reopen their schools, businesses and neighborhoods that have long been abandoned due to violence.

In Mosul, the airport opened for the first time in 14 years for commercial aviation flights. In a region of the country long associated with violence, Iraqi Airlines is now open for business. While there is always a potential for violence to flare up, Iraqi civilians have returned home to provinces all around the country that had previously been strongholds held by terrorists and Saddam loyalists.

Political stability long thought to be an elusive dream is becoming a daily reality across Iraq.
From the surge in Iraq, vindication with his stem cell position and strong economic development on the home front, President George W. Bush has hit his stride and is surging rather than limping into his last year in office. For those who have counted him out, the president remains resolute, perhaps comfortable in the knowledge that history, rather than bitter partisans in Washington, will favorably reflect on his two terms in office for waging an effective war against terrorism while demonstrating capable stewardship and remarkable domestic accomplishments during a time of war.

http://thehill.com/op-eds/bush-suging-not-fading-as-tenures-end-nears-2007-12-11.html

You sure couldn't tell from the people I live around. Most contractors are dead in the water and the IT people are being layed off.

[red states rule]

You sure couldn't tell from the people I live around. Most contractors are dead in the water and the IT people are being layed off.

The people you hang up are probably other libs waiting for the government to give them a handout

Overalll the US economy is rolling along fine.

[April15]

The people you hang up are probably other libs waiting for the government to give them a handout

Overalll the US economy is rolling along fine.The people I know are contractors for the most part and those in technology are IT professionals. But most are not conservatives. This area is not a good place to be conservative. Even the fbi guy is a liberal.

[OCA]

The people you hang up are probably other libs waiting for the government to give them a handout

Overalll the US economy is rolling along fine.


Wait till this spring when those sub prime mortgage foreclosures start kicking in, this economy is headed for the toilet.

Two days ago the Canadian dollar was worth more than the American dollar.

Also Bush is thinking about freezing rates on those sub prime mortgages, that is a classic government handout.

[April15]

Wait till this spring when those sub prime mortgage foreclosures start kicking in, this economy is headed for the toilet.

Two days ago the Canadian dollar was worth more than the American dollar.

Also Bush is thinking about freezing rates on those sub prime mortgages, that is a classic government handout.Can you remember the price caps of Nixons? How about the WIN buttons for Whip Inflation Now.

[OCA]

Can you remember the price caps of Nixons? How about the WIN buttons for Whip Inflation Now.

Nixon was a joke, I was only 5 yrs old when he instituted price freezes but have read about it, how very conservative of him!

[red states rule]

Wait till this spring when those sub prime mortgage foreclosures start kicking in, this economy is headed for the toilet.

Two days ago the Canadian dollar was worth more than the American dollar.

Also Bush is thinking about freezing rates on those sub prime mortgages, that is a classic government handout.

Only about 5% of h/o's are late on their payments. The mortgage servicers I work for is taking a proactive plan, and is offering to refi those ARM's (in many cases with no closing costs)

The government should not be interfering - the mortgage companies can handle the issue

Perhaps yopu should rwad my thread on the top 10 economic myths of 2007

[waterrescuedude2000]

If we can just get the republicans to win every election in the near future maybe the dems will give up?? Ok I wish it was that easy. But hey we can dream right??

[red states rule]

If we can just get the republicans to win every election in the near future maybe the dems will give up?? Ok I wish it was that easy. But hey we can dream right??

Conservative Republicans win elections - not the RINO's we had in 06, or like John McDone (D - AZ)