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Sertes
12-16-2007, 02:44 AM
Chemtrails

Since 1997 we saw an increased number of long trails in the sky. The same old people that sold us Iraqi WMD tell us it's a natural formation, it's just we see more of them because the air traffic increased.
Then someone checked FAA own claims on the physical conditions when Contrails forms: temperature -40 or lower, humitidy at least 70%, altitude at least 10.000 meters.
And the most important issue is that Contrails form by passing engines that cristallize water wapor: it lasts few minutes.
So, how can you watch trails of hundreds of miles??

Chemtrails over the United States of America

http://bp3.blogger.com/_LecpxQwqMrY/RdsRyun4lGI/AAAAAAAAAao/zWxi-yY2MRI/s400/chemtrails_10.jpg

Video

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U.S. Space Preservation Act 2001 lists Chemtrails among "Exotic Weapon Systems", so there's no need to pretend they don't exists:



SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

(2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.


Original: http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

Mr. KUCINICH issued the original Space Preservation Act 2001 to ask for a banning of these weapon systems. Instead we find them in the sky of NATO aligned nations every day, from US to Europe (funny, if it's a natural event, why it's excluding Switzerland???)

http://www.weatherwars.info/images/chemtrails_2/Battle%20Creek2_MI.JPG

http://www.fotothing.com/photos/7f1/7f18e684ec846250dbdc28151fd6e08f.jpg

These formations don't dissolve after 2-5 minutes as real contrails but widens and form a shield in the sky:

http://www.fotothing.com/photos/efe/efe5718aef55beeccf45af525d648892.jpg?ts=1197791019

Planes producing chemtrails are white or gray, with no sign on them

http://www.fotothing.com/photos/d67/d67a1dbda856ac4398706a17e6811024.jpg

Sometimes they produce 3 trails from 2 engines, is there any chance it can be natural???

http://www.fotothing.com/photos/d07/d070464a79f32c198517ca30088b11d3.jpg?ts=1197790938

Check also U.S. Department of Energy's Atmospheric Science Program official site, right in the home page:



The Department of Energy's Atmospheric Science Program has as its long-term goal developing comprehensive understanding of the atmospheric processes that control the transport, transformation, and fate of energy related trace chemicals and particulate matter. The current focus of the program is aerosol radiative forcing of climate: aerosol formation and evolution and aerosol properties that affect direct and indirect influences on climate and climate change.

Official webpage: http://www.asp.bnl.gov/

A researcher in Italy used a 4 Km range laser pointer to illuminate a plane emitting trails: again this is physically impossible, as the lower bound for Contrail formation is 10 Km even by FAA.

stephanie
12-16-2007, 02:55 AM
Oh boy...what's your Du name?

They have a thing about....CHEMTRAILS..:laugh2:

and black helicopters
men lurking in bushes
phone making weird noises
computers spying on them
people staring at them..

etc, etc, etc...:coffee

and if it has Dennis Kucinich attached to it...:poke:

Sertes
12-16-2007, 03:10 AM
Oh boy...what's your Du name?

They have a thing about....CHEMTRAILS..:laugh2:

and black helicopters
men lurking in bushes
phone making weird noises
computers spying on them
people staring at them..

etc, etc, etc...:coffee:

Sorry, we're in the conspiracy theories section.
You can either discuss the topic at hand or start a new thread on one of the topics you listed

... and I get you too didn't even know chemtrails as a weapon system existed: http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

stephanie
12-16-2007, 03:18 AM
Sorry, we're in the conspiracy theories section.
You can either discuss the topic at hand or start a new thread on one of the topics you listed

... and I get you too didn't even know chemtrails as a weapon system existed: http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html


Exactly...we ARE IN THE CONSPIRACY SECTION...

so I can comment as I wish, thank you..

We've had this conversation before...I guess it was before you joined...try search..that might help you see what was said, then you can proceed with your conspiracy theory...


just a little suggestion:cheers2:

Sertes
12-16-2007, 03:30 AM
Exactly...we ARE IN THE CONSPIRACY SECTION...

so I can comment as I wish, thank you..

Sorry to break your dream Stephanie, the same rules apply here as anywere else.
Wanna comment? Keep it on topic.
Don't have anything to say on the documents I posted? Farewell!!



We've had this conversation before...I guess it was before you joined...try search..that might help you see what was said, then you can proceed with your conspiracy theory...

just a little suggestion:cheers2:

Oh, you had this conversation before? Ok, can you explain chemtrails to me, then? I'm looking to understand why they keep secret that they spray chemicals in the atmoshpere, is it maybe linked to the Global Warming scam, has it something to do that breathing this shit is dangerous?

Please, tell me what you learned in that discussion

stephanie
12-16-2007, 03:44 AM
Sorry to break your dream Stephanie, the same rules apply here as anywhere else.
Wanna comment? Keep it on topic.
Don't have anything to say on the documents I posted? Farewell!!



Oh, you had this conversation before? Ok, can you explain chemtrails to me, then? I'm looking to understand why they keep secret that they spray chemicals in the atmosphere, is it maybe linked to the Global Warming scam, has it something to do that breathing this shit is dangerous?

Please, tell me what you learned in that discussion

When you become a moderator of this board, then you can tell me about the rules..Until then, I don't have to explain myself to you..

I made my statement on the conspiracy theory of chemtrails(didn't I have Chemtrails in my opinion...so I think I was on TOPIC....if you don't like it...tough poopy...:cheers2:

and I'm glad to see you admit...that global warming is...a scam...:laugh2:

And your question on what I learned on the chemtrail discussion?
What have you learned?....please..I need enlightened...and I can feel, you're just the person to enlighten me..

Sir Evil
12-16-2007, 05:53 AM
When you become a moderator of this board, then you can tell me about the rules..Until then, I don't have to explain myself to you..


Yeah Steph, keep it on topic!

Hey Sertes, go fuck yourself! :D

jimnyc
12-16-2007, 06:14 AM
How sad one's existence must be when they live life off of conspiracy theories.

Sertes
12-16-2007, 07:10 AM
And your question on what I learned on the chemtrail discussion?
What have you learned?....please..I need enlightened...and I can feel, you're just the person to enlighten me..

You told me you debated it before, so please tell me your INFORMED opinion. Maybe you debated only side issues.

As for me let's try some conclusions:

1) U.S. Space Preservation Act 2001 by mr Kuchinik asks the banning of exotic weapons type such as chemtrails. [/b]That proves existence and military origin![/b]

2) The sky above my city of Bologna, Italy is just the same you have in the U.S.: it's full of trails when the physical conditions wouldn't allow them to form, and those trails instead of disappearing in 5 minutes as Contrails, widens and form a screen above our head.

3) We've got many news telling us the americans are trying to control weather with microwaves, that russians can create rain, that chinese plan to employ their expertise to remove rain from the olympics.

4) Since it seems impossible to make chemtrails completely transparent, coverup just plans to make it seem a natural phenomenon that we've always witnessed. So we start to find chemtrails in advertisement, movies and cartoons too!

Chemtrails and sun screen:
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k289/frankad/CHEMAD2.jpg

Disney, 2006
http://www.sciechimiche.org/scie_chimiche/images/stories/Disinformazione/cartoon%20-%20la%20gang%20del%20bosco%20%2840%29.jpg
All of them: http://www.sciechimiche.org/scie_chimiche/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=215&Itemid=382

Advertisement
http://www.chemtrails911.com/archive_photos/01_2006_images/spirit.jpg

jimnyc
12-16-2007, 07:49 AM
1) U.S. Space Preservation Act 2001 by mr Kuchinik asks the banning of exotic weapons type such as chemtrails. [/b]That proves existence and military origin![/b]

Notice your BOLD doesn't actually bold anything. Are you to stupid to use such basic functions of the board? Nevermind, don't answer that. Oh, and BTW, the sponsors name is "Kucinich". At least get the guys name right if you're going to use him as a reference.

Just because another quack introduced a bill, that DOES NOT prove existence or origin, you stupid fuck! This dumbass introduced a bill no less than 4 times, and all 4 times it died. Also, why did the list of exotic weapons disappear from the proposed bill in later versions? This is another retarded theory that has been debunked by the USAF, NASA, government agencies, independent studies & every respectable media outlet that investigated the claims.

Sir Evil
12-16-2007, 07:50 AM
Exotic weapons? :laugh2:

what a fuckin' retard!

glockmail
12-16-2007, 08:04 AM
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Sometimes they produce 3 trails from 2 engines, is there any chance it can be natural???

http://www.fotothing.com/photos/d07/d070464a79f32c198517ca30088b11d3.jpg?ts=1197790938
.....
That's a three engine jet. The 3rd is in the tail section.

Dilloduck
12-16-2007, 09:05 AM
[QUOTE=Sertes;169938]Chemtrails

Since 1997 we saw an increased number of long trails in the sky. The same old people that sold us Iraqi WMD tell us it's a natural formation, it's just we see more of them because the air traffic increased.
Then someone checked FAA own claims on the physical conditions when Contrails forms: temperature -40 or lower, humitidy at least 70%, altitude at least 10.000 meters.
And the most important issue is that Contrails form by passing engines that cristallize water wapor: it lasts few minutes.
So, how can you watch trails of hundreds of miles??



DANGER-----You are experiencing advanced symptoms of a chemical attack victim---please immediately report to the nearest detoxification module before you embarass yourself any further.

nevadamedic
12-16-2007, 09:42 AM
Nothing like getting all your daily Mineral's in one breath.

jimnyc
12-16-2007, 10:14 AM
NM, I've edited your post. Please don't quote an entire post filled with pics and a video just to make a short reply. It just makes the thread that much longer and harder to go through. Thanks!

Mr. P
12-16-2007, 10:21 AM
Psssssstttt Sertes...I used to make these contrails on a regular basis. I can't tell you about them now, my computer is being monitored and I am being watched 24/7.

Sertes
12-17-2007, 03:01 PM
Notice your BOLD doesn't actually bold anything. Are you to stupid to use such basic functions of the board? Nevermind, don't answer that. Oh, and BTW, the sponsors name is "Kucinich". At least get the guys name right if you're going to use him as a reference.

Sory, just a cople typo. ;)



Just because another quack introduced a bill, that DOES NOT prove existence or origin, you stupid fuck! This dumbass introduced a bill no less than 4 times, and all 4 times it died.

No, if someone asks for the banning of the chemtrail weapon it proves the existence and the military origin. What better evidence than the originals from your own gov?

Sertes
12-17-2007, 03:04 PM
That's a three engine jet. The 3rd is in the tail section.

I bet you didn't watch the youtube video.

Sitarro
12-17-2007, 03:28 PM
That's a three engine jet. The 3rd is in the tail section.

Exactly Glock, looks like a Fed Ex DC-10. The first little film showed Embriars flown by Express Jet and most of the major Airlines for regional routes. Yes, there are many more of those little things in the sky flying at various altitudes.

The last plane before the guitar solo wasn't a little regional Jet, it was a 757-300 flying at a much higher altitude, the author claimed it was the same type of plane.

One airline in Houston puts 800 aircraft into the sky a day.... add the other airlines, civilian and military aircraft and you are over 5000 aircraft over the United States at any given moment....... this software is related........

http://www.skycontrol.net/flight-simulators-hardware-software/track-real-time-flights-over-the-united-states-with-airnav-systems-flight-tracker/

This conspiracy is really funny, it just shows how easy it is to bullshit an ignorant, naive public...... Democrats have been counting on these same people for years.

manu1959
12-17-2007, 03:42 PM
anyone know how many contrails were in the skys in the days after 911 and what the lack of contrails did to surface temperatures?

Sitarro
12-17-2007, 03:56 PM
anyone know how many contrails were in the skys in the days after 911 and what the lack of contrails did to surface temperatures?

I was in Ireland working under the main route to Shannon's airport from the west. It had been pretty busy up until September 11th and then ........ nothing. Very eerie. At night, it was so dark, you could look up and see the satellites cruising by.

Good question though.

manu1959
12-17-2007, 04:12 PM
I was in Ireland working under the main route to Shannon's airport from the west. It had been pretty busy up until September 11th and then ........ nothing. Very eerie. At night, it was so dark, you could look up and see the satellites cruising by.

Good question though.

google david travis and read his studies http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=david+travis+contrail+study

manu1959
12-17-2007, 04:17 PM
Chemtrails

Since 1997 we saw an increased number of long trails in the sky. The same old people that sold us Iraqi WMD tell us it's a natural formation, it's just we see more of them because the air traffic increased.
Then someone checked FAA own claims on the physical conditions when Contrails forms: temperature -40 or lower, humitidy at least 70%, altitude at least 10.000 meters.
And the most important issue is that Contrails form by passing engines that cristallize water wapor: it lasts few minutes.
So, how can you watch trails of hundreds of miles??

.

http://www.geospectra.net/kite/weather/h_altit.htm

uhhhhhhhh avearge temp is 30 at 8,000....the crystals stay frozen.....

Dilloduck
12-17-2007, 04:21 PM
I wouldn't think that it would be that hard to actually obtain some "chemicals" from a "chemtrail" via some reasonably feasible collection technique to determine what the "chemical" is. Has that been attempted yet and if so---what are we being "sprayed" with?

manu1959
12-17-2007, 04:25 PM
I wouldn't think that it would be that hard to actually obtain some "chemicals" from a "chemtrail" via some reasonably feasible collection technique to determine what the "chemical" is. Has that been attempted yet and if so---what are we being "sprayed" with?

ask and you shall recieve.....http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arch/7_6_96/bob1.htm

remember though nasa is biased

Dilloduck
12-17-2007, 04:28 PM
ask and you shall recieve.....http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arch/7_6_96/bob1.htm

remember though nasa is biased

Blaaaaaaaaa---exhaust----I figured it was something cool like LSD.

manu1959
12-17-2007, 04:30 PM
Blaaaaaaaaa---exhaust----I figured it was something cool like LSD.

that would be cool.....

Dilloduck
12-17-2007, 04:31 PM
that would be cool.....

I think that's what they spray Austin with actually. :laugh2:

manu1959
12-17-2007, 04:36 PM
I think that's what they spray Austin with actually. :laugh2:

berkeley and frisco as well..........

jimnyc
12-17-2007, 05:17 PM
No, if someone asks for the banning of the chemtrail weapon it proves the existence and the military origin. What better evidence than the originals from your own gov?

No, it doesn't. What PROOF did Kucinich present that they actually existed? Why were these ridiculous assertions removed from later proposed bills?

Just like with your 9/11 crap, you find a theory and run with it as fact without a shred of actual evidence to backup your wacky claims.

Mr. P
12-17-2007, 05:21 PM
Relax guys...it's ALL good...you'll feel just fine...breath deep.:cheers2:

Sir Evil
12-17-2007, 05:57 PM
Damn, can't believe this thread is still even going. Hey Sertes, just ate a huge beef & bean burrito, come stick your head by my ass, and I'll show you some real chemtrails....

Yurt
12-17-2007, 06:37 PM
actually, i did wonder if the contrails affected the tempature. over SLO, somedays they are our only clouds and this area is a major "overpass"

manu1959
12-17-2007, 06:39 PM
actually, i did wonder if the contrails affected the tempature. over SLO, somedays they are our only clouds and this area is a major "overpass"

the link i posted earlier hooks up to the study that says they do....

Mr. P
12-17-2007, 06:47 PM
I'm investing in this thing they call an 'Iron Horse'.

Yurt
12-17-2007, 07:46 PM
the link i posted earlier hooks up to the study that says they do....

yeah, i meant to reference your post, it was in my mind as your post answered my question :)

glockmail
12-17-2007, 10:11 PM
I bet you didn't watch the youtube video. I don't have to waddle in shit to know that it stinks. Nice deflection though. Are you saying that it is not a three engine plane?

Sertes
12-18-2007, 06:00 AM
I don't have to waddle in shit to know that it stinks. Nice deflection though. Are you saying that it is not a three engine plane?

No problem then, if you don't want to spend 5 minutes to watch the video, why should I spend 5 minutes to explaining to you the 2 engine plane? Farewell!

Sertes
12-18-2007, 06:06 AM
http://www.geospectra.net/kite/weather/h_altit.htm

uhhhhhhhh avearge temp is 30 at 8,000....the crystals stay frozen.....

Your site lists temperatures in F which is natural in the U.S.
I am from Italy and ALWAYS forget to add C to temperatures I wrote.
Sorry.

But facts remain: contrails need a very low temperature to form, which at 10.000 meters and 70% humidity is -40C or less. It's a phisical effect, the data is from FAA.

glockmail
12-18-2007, 06:58 AM
No problem then, if you don't want to spend 5 minutes to watch the video, why should I spend 5 minutes to explaining to you the 2 engine plane? Farewell! Its 3 engines, fairly obvious and as already attested by AFB. You theory is blown. You're problem now is that you can't admit when you are wrong, which is why you believe all the rest of that crap and ain't worth arguing with.:pee:

jimnyc
12-18-2007, 09:23 AM
IYou're problem now is that you can't admit when you are wrong, which is why you believe all the rest of that crap and ain't worth arguing with.:pee:

That's Sertes in a nutshell alright! Notice he skipped answering the very easy questions I asked of him - simply because it doesn't fit into his little conspiracy world.

He's a certified fruit loop, and a damn stupid one at that! :laugh2:

Kathianne
12-18-2007, 09:42 AM
I'm sure this will convince him, NOT:


http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/AERO/fltenv5.htm


Flight Environment

HUMIDITY, TEMPERATURE, and STABILITY

baj2_ln.gif (315 bytes)

....


VAPOUR TRAILS (CONTRAILS)

The white vapor or condensation trails (contrails) you see high up in the blue in this age of jet airplanes owe their origin to two different causes.

1. EXHAUST TRAILS. When the hydrogen and carbon in aviation fuel are burned, the carbon produces a colorless gas and the hydrogen produces water vapor, both of which are invisible. The latter product of the combustion process, which comes out of the exhaust, will remain invisible as long as the humidity of the surrounding air has not reached its saturation point. As stated in the section above, warm air can contain much more invisible water vapor than can cold air before it becomes saturated. In the extreme low temperatures encountered at very high altitudes, the cold air is incapable of absorbing the excess water vapor coming out of the exhaust. The water vapor therefore condenses into a visible cloud of water droplets or ice crystals. This is known as an exhaust trail.

2. WING TIP TRAILS. As we learned in Theory of Flight (Drag), vortices, in the form of eddies rotating with a corkscrew motion, are formed off the tips of an airplane wing in flight. These rapidly rotating vortices have considerable centrifugal force acting outwards, which causes a rarefaction and therefore an expansion of the air in the middle of the vortex. Air, which expands, cools. If the vortex is strong enough and the humidity of the air high enough, this cooling will cause condensation. The white cloud-like trails which form off the wing tips are known as wing' tip trails.

Sir Evil
12-18-2007, 11:22 AM
Sertes - Check out this exotic weapon!

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/352paiBIZQ4&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/352paiBIZQ4&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

Mr. P
12-18-2007, 11:44 AM
Sertes - Check out this exotic weapon!

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/352paiBIZQ4&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/352paiBIZQ4&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

:laugh2: I didn't watch the vid (Dial-up) but I KNOW the pose OH SO WELL!

One of my friends set his jamma bottoms on fire one night doing it. :laugh2:

glockmail
12-18-2007, 12:48 PM
Sertes - Check out this exotic weapon!
...
That second one could not have been real.

MtnBiker
12-27-2007, 12:03 AM
Hey Sertes, have fun with this, really.

http://weatherwars.info/

Gadget (fmr Marine)
12-27-2007, 01:40 AM
DID NOT!!!!! It wasn't a fire...it was more like ball lightning.....


:laugh2: I didn't watch the vid (Dial-up) but I KNOW the pose OH SO WELL!

One of my friends set his jamma bottoms on fire one night doing it. :laugh2: