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red states rule
12-18-2007, 06:04 AM
Dems continue to push for surrender in Iraq, and now for a terrorists bill of rights. No wonder terrorists were happy with the results of the 06 elections, and are hoping for Dems again in 08

Dems are the best allies the terrorists could have


Interrogation: Anti-Bush Overreaction
By Stuart Taylor Jr., National Journal
National Journal Group Inc.
Monday, Dec. 17, 2007

Imagine that U.S. forces capture Osama bin Laden or a high-level lieutenant in Pakistan next month and hand him over to the CIA, amid intelligence reports that a massive new Qaeda attack on America may be imminent

Should it be illegal for CIA interrogators to try to scare the man into talking by yelling at him? By threatening to slap him? By pretending to be from Egypt's brutal intelligence service? What about turning up the air conditioner to make him uncomfortably cold? Or denying him hot food until he talks, while giving him all the cold food he can eat?

These methods would all apparently be illegal under a rider that the House-Senate conference committee added to the annual intelligence authorization bill. It would bar the CIA from using any interrogation practice not authorized in the Army field manual's rules for military interrogators. This would mean prohibiting almost all forms of coercive interrogation, including many potentially effective techniques that come nowhere near torture and are now clearly legal.

We've come a long way since September 2002, when Nancy Pelosi, then a House Intelligence Committee member and now the speaker, listened without a peep of protest while being briefed about the CIA's use of waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods on Qaeda leaders.

Now almost all Democrats (and some Republicans) denounce waterboarding as illegal torture. They are probably right -- although you can bet that after the next 9/11 they will backtrack faster than you can say "unprincipled."

The mostly Democratic sponsors of the proposed legislation unpersuasively suggest that it is necessary to prevent torture. They also hide behind the fantasy that coercion never leads to good information. But there is substantial (if anecdotal) evidence that in some cases, at least, coercive interrogation methods far short of torture may well extract information that could save lives.

for the complete article

http://nationaljournal.com/taylor.htm

April15
12-18-2007, 06:11 PM
Well if that is how you feel the why not rip out a testicle without anethesia and see if that makes him feel like talking. That is not torture either by your standards.

red states rule
12-18-2007, 10:28 PM
Well if that is how you feel the why not rip out a testicle without anethesia and see if that makes him feel like talking. That is not torture either by your standards.

Once again, what would the libs want to do to get info from a terrorist that would stop a pending attack?

Or would protecting the rights of terrorists mor important then saving lives of innocent people?

From what has been reported, the US has waterboarded three terrorists - and got valuable info from them each time

bullypulpit
12-21-2007, 08:59 AM
Once again, what would the libs want to do to get info from a terrorist that would stop a pending attack?

Or would protecting the rights of terrorists mor important then saving lives of innocent people?

From what has been reported, the US has waterboarded three terrorists - and got valuable info from them each time

What evidence do you have to support that assertion?

glockmail
12-21-2007, 09:08 AM
Well if that is how you feel the why not rip out a testicle without anethesia and see if that makes him feel like talking. That is not torture either by your standards. That wasn't even considered in the OP. What kind of sicko are you?

The issue here is coercive measures that don't multilate, scar or cause permanent damage. The examples cited are not torture.

April15
12-21-2007, 05:08 PM
That wasn't even considered in the OP. What kind of sicko are you?

The issue here is coercive measures that don't multilate, scar or cause permanent damage. The examples cited are not torture.In your mind!

red states rule
12-22-2007, 11:27 AM
What evidence do you have to support that assertion?

NY Times, Washington Post, and the rest of the liberal media have reorted the same

and since you have not produced anything that disproves it

Libs are once again creating a scandal where none exists