* * * Debate Policy - Political Message Board Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Presenting here to force myself to do the third and final part.. Started at 03-16-2019 09:48 AM by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Visit at http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=65754 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 03-16-2019 09:48 AM Title : Presenting here to force myself to do the third and final part.. Part one as is posted at my home poetry site Achilles, His Heart and Soul Were Mortal Robert J. Lindley, 8-04- 2018 Rhyme (Mythology, Great Tales) Notes- 1. Achilles*: - (Of Troy fame*) Achilles, in Greek mythology, son of the mortal Peleus, king of the Myrmidons, and the Nereid, or sea nymph, Thetis. Achilles was the bravest, handsomest, and greatest warrior of the army of Agamemnon in the Trojan War. According to Homer, Achilles was brought up by his mother at Phthia with his cousin and inseparable companion Patroclus. One of the non-Homeric tales of his childhood relates that Thetis dipped Achilles in the waters of the River Styx, by which means he became invulnerable, except for the part of his heel by which she held him—the proverbial “Achilles’ heel.” Read more: http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Pa-P...#ixzz5NE789BPO 2. (Achilles) father*: - Peleus - Peleus, a figure from Greek mythology, is best known as the father of the Greek hero Achilles* and the husband of the sea nymph Thetis. As a youth, Peleus was banished from his homeland after he killed one of his brothers. Peleus suffered misfortune everywhere he went and fled from two kingdoms during his life. Zeus* himself arranged for Peleus to marry Thetis. Zeus loved Thetis, but he decided to abandon his courtship when he learned that the fates had declared that Thetis's son would become more powerful than his father. After marrying Peleus, Thetis bore him a son named Achilles. She tried to make the infant immortal by holding him in fire to burn away his human weakness. Peleus, however, was horrified and stopped Thetis, leaving Achilles' heel vulnerable. Angered, Thetis abandoned her family and returned to the sea. nymph minor goddess of nature, usually represented as young and beautiful immortal able to live forever Peleus became king of Phthia, but he was overthrown by his enemies when Achilles left for the Trojan Warf. Thetis took pity on Peleus and brought him back to her sea cave, where they lived together forever. 3.. (Achilles) mother*:- Thetis his mother, was the immortal Nereid Thetis, Thetis attempted to render her son Achilles invulnerable. In the well-known version, she dipped him in the River Styx, holding him by one heel, which remained vulnerable. In an early and less popular version of the story, Thetis anointed the boy in ambrosia and put him on top of a fire to burn away the mortal parts of his body. She was interrupted by Peleus and she abandoned both father and son in a rage, leaving his heel vulnerable. A nearly identical story is told by Plutarch, in his On Isis and Osiris, of the goddess Isis burning away the mortality of Prince Maneros of Byblos, son of Queen Astarte, and being likewise interrupted before completing the process. Later on in life, Achilles is killed by Paris when he is shot in his vulnerable spot, the heel. This is where the term "Achilles' heel" is derived from. 4.Ares* : Ares is the Greek god of war. He is one of the Twelve Olympians, the son of Zeus and Hera. In Greek literature, he often represents the physical or violent and ... Symbols‎: ‎Sword‎, ‎spear‎, ‎shield‎, ‎helmet‎, ‎chariot‎, ...Parents‎: ‎Zeus‎ and ‎Hera 5. Charon*: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This article is about the mythological figure. For the moon of Pluto, see Charon (moon). For other uses, see Charon (disambiguation). Attic red-figure lekythos attributed to the Tymbos painter showing Charon welcoming a soul into his boat, c. 500-450 BC In Greek mythology, Charon or Kharon (/'k??r?n, -?n/; Greek Χ?ρων) is the ferryman of Hades who carries souls of the newly deceased across the rivers Styx and Acheron that divided the world of the living from the world of the dead. A coin to pay Charon for passage, usually an obolus or danake, was sometimes placed in or on the mouth of a dead person.[1] Some authors say that those who could not pay the fee, or those whose bodies were left unburied, had to wander the shores for one hundred years. In the catabasis mytheme, heroes – such as Aeneas, Dionysus, Heracles, Hermes, Odysseus, Orpheus, Pirithous, Psyche, Theseus and Sisyphus – journey to the underworld and return, still alive, conveyed by the boat of Charon. 6. Styx*": From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "River Styx" The waters of one Styx in the Aroanian mountains In Greek mythology, Styx (/'st?ks/; Ancient Greek: Στ?ξ [stýk?s][citation needed]) is a deity and a river that forms the boundary between Earth and the Underworld, often called "Hades" which is also the name of its ruler. The rivers Styx, Phlegethon, Acheron, Lethe, and Cocytus supposedly all converge at the center of the underworld on a great marsh, which sometimes is also called the Styx. According to Herodotus, the river Styx originates near Feneos.[1] Styx is also a goddess with prehistoric roots in Greek mythology as a daughter of Tethys, after whom the river is named and because of whom it had miraculous powers. 7. Hades*: In Greek mythology, Hades was regarded as the oldest son of Cronus and Rhea, although the last son regurgitated by his father.[2] He and his brothers Zeus and Poseidon defeated their father's generation of gods, the Titans, and claimed rulership over the cosmos. Hades received the underworld, Zeus the sky, and Poseidon the sea, with the solid earth—long the province of Gaia—available to all three concurrently. Hades was often portrayed with his three-headed guard dog Cerberus. The Etruscan god Aita and Roman gods Dis Pater and Orcus were eventually taken as equivalent to the Greek Hades and merged as Pluto, a Latinization of his euphemistic Greek name Plouton (Greek: Πλο?των Ploúton).[3] Achilles, His Heart and Soul Were Mortal Part One- (Years Before Troy) Achilles* woke, his slain foes calling out his name hearing merciless woes, his sharpen sword they blame looking at the heavens he saw the moon glowing blood red sending its message of truth about his victims now dead! Rising from night bed, screams from those slain still ringing he knowing much more torment they would be bringing there was darkness in his soul that, nothing could ever tame his father* had made death and destruction his only game! Small was the solace that, mortal men praised his deeds how in fiercest battles he makes his victims bleed dispatching each to Charon* for that final dark boat trip on river Styx, to Hades pain hides in each thirsty sip! As pitiful dead faces come through bloody halls louder and louder heard are their dark cursing calls those words become deep stabbing daggers and his heart is pained he realizes, worthless value of great fame he has gained! Asking mother Thetis* why she gave this black curse sincerely proclaiming that, nothing could be worse To Peleus* his father, he in tears begins to speak begging for mercy and the love he forever there seeks! He not knowing, Fate had demanded his half-god birth destiny's reasons hidden, he pondered life's worth asking why could not Apollo*, his suffering now ease not seeing, even mighty gods can not do as they please As silence grew louder, his soul already hurt he saw dying faces falling on bloodstained dirt As voices and bloody shadows sank back into stone wall his heart and soul's in memory, stored every cursing call! Seeing now, last vestiges of heavenly lights Achilles took time to remember all his fights soon begging for dawn, its soothing lights his pained soul relieved away washed curses of those that had cause to be aggrieved. Rising to meet bright sun and dawn's glistening beams he felt its deep gifting warmth and Hope that redeems Fate and Destiny granted this warrior another day on this mortal plane, for now, his half-god body would stay. Robert J. Lindley, 8-04- 2018 Rhyme (Achilles, Mythology, Great Tales) Syllables Per Line: 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 Total # Syllables:468 Total # Words: 340 Copyright © Robert Lindley | Year Posted 2018 See More Detailed Notes Listed Above- 1. Achilles*: - (Of Troy fame*) 2. (Achilles) father*: - Peleus 3.. (Achilles) mother*:- Thetis his mother, was the immortal Nereid Thetis, 4.Ares* : Ares is the Greek god of war. He is one of the Twelve Olympians, the son of Zeus and Hera. 5. Charon*: In Greek mythology, Charon or Kharon (/'k??r?n, -?n/; Greek ?????) is the ferryman of Hades who carries souls of the newly deceased across the rivers 6. Styx*": "River Styx" The waters of one Styx in the Aroanian mountains In Greek mythology, Styx (/'st?ks/; Ancient Greek: St?? [stýk?s][citation needed]) is a deity and a river that forms the boundary between Earth and the Underworld, often called "Hades" which is also the name of its ruler. The rivers Styx, Phlegethon, Acheron, Lethe, and Cocytus supposedly all converge at the center of the underworld on a great marsh, which sometimes is also called the Styx. 7. Hades*: In Greek mythology, Hades was regarded as the oldest son of Cronus and Rhea, Hades received the underworld, Zeus the sky, and Poseidon the sea, with the solid earth—long the province of Gaia—available to all three concurrently. Hades was often portrayed with his three-headed guard dog Cerberus. ** Modern interpretation Hades equals Hell.. ********************************************************************************************** Part two as is posted at my home poetry site Achilles, The Journey To Troy, Part Two Robert J. Lindley, 8-12-2018 (Part Two) - The Journey To Troy Achilles, The Journey To Troy, (Part Two) of (Part One-titled, Achilles, His Heart and Soul Were Mortal) Woe! wretched horrors Olympic gods sent that day mighty king suffered, his treasure stolen away, power of Troy against very strongest of Grecian might testing magnificent force of fantastic Spartan fight! Saving proud Greek honor was the summoning call an arrogant king demanded Troy's suffering fall, swift as Hermes, to mighty warriors, messengers sent his request soon answered, as they came in flooding torrents. As Grecian phalanx were boarding its warring ships strong was the question upon the warriors lips, Achilles! Achilles! Will our fight he now we brave join he answering not to king's selfish whims or golden coins. Roaring loud happy cheers as his ship sails were seen warriors, certain victories plunders they'd glean, his godlike bearing seen forward, warship soft splashing prow for not even Troy's massive walls, could ever stop them now! Soon Troy's riches they would gather with bloody hands slaughter its haughty citizens, burn its rich lands, steal its power and gold, take its pretty women as slaves for its massive sins, cast its rabble into early graves! Sacrifices made to Ares they could not fail their gods had sent favoring winds filling their sails, Poseidon. rewarded faithful kings, had given their dues they sailed on with courage, pride of warriors and ships crews. Eager to land and fight battles for glory's sake to Olympic gods they prayed, their lives not to take, gift them courage and hone razor sharp their slashing sharp blades allow the sweet pleasures of victor's homecoming parades. Dawn's rays saw Achilles ship surging far ahead he had his prowess and dark blood-lust to be fed, in his heart he knowing, this great battle would be his last glory and fame taken, would forever set world aghast! As night fell, they knew new day's light, would blood-lust sate they each sought to placate dark master of their Fate, with prayers and incense to burning throughout dark fog of night each prepared for this, the greatest of all their warring fights! Robert J. Lindley, 8-12-2018 (Part Two) - The Journey To Troy Syllables Per Line: 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 Total # Syllables: 468 Total # Words: 340 Copyright © Robert Lindley | Year Posted 2018 Part Three-- to be presented when finished.... Please never think that writing is easy peasy .....-Tyr Edit-- 5-23-2020 Part Three This three part poem on Achilles, was begun 8/4/2018, It has taken me a wee bit of a year to finish! Main reason is trying to condense the ending into such a short version of the original. As I never set out to attempt to copy the original. This poem was never abandoned-it just took this long to get the closing in. Parts one and two were much easier to write, tho' each one took several weeks to get completed. Yet the satisfaction when completing such as this is truly immense and a treasure to a poet to know they did their best. A year to compose a single poem is not often my way of writing but this one was just that important to me ! God bless... Achilles, Bloody Battles, Death's Black Hand As Was Fated Part Three, (the Conclusion) Dawn, bright rays fell upon Achilles and his band exiting ship, Greek sandals felt soft Trojan sands with mighty magnificent Greek pride in courageous hearts each seeking greater fame they knew would come as battle starts. Landing all around was mighty horde of Greek ships as falling Greek anchors through Trojan waters slip Achilles, full of joyous prospect of this contest's gifts gave warrior's brave words to his warriors spirits uplift. Near their shores, Trojan scouts blew horns, Greek first landing to Hector, Troy's greatest leader none withstanding rushing to meet fighters in many bloody battle fought until sun's disappearing rays flowing bloodshed did halt. As night, slowed removal of the fallen Greek dead even Achilles brave men, felt dawn's coming dread yet Olympic gods felt pride, how Greek warriors had died as Achilles and his men's glory filled their hearts with pride. For months, then years the Gods watched as great battles rage as Troy held out due to wisdom from its great sage and its massive fortified walls, warriors brave and true even cruelest of the gods gave Troy's warriors their dues. Day came that Achilles the great Prince Hector slew as had so many Greek warriors fallen too Fate, had not delivered Death's deepest goal, its blackest hand that of Achilles's sad end, greatest sorrow of his band. Achilles rose, saw dawn and knew it was his last a vision, he saw his ship sailing its black mast true to his warrior's brave heart, he felt not a grievous fear knowing his life would end, as Death its icy hold grew near! Fated, Death sent poison arrow into his heel finally greatest Greek hero did Death's hand feel was not this end, his legendary fame that sealed his name sacrifice that brought this warrior his everlasting fame? And the climax, that was to then seal Troy's sad doom as greater sacrifice must enter Death's new room for Gods decreed that thousands of Troy's citizens must die to honor this hero's death, defeat was the Gods's new cry. Achilles, Bloody Battles, Death's Black Hand As Was Fated (Part Three) Part Two-titled, 2. Achilles, The Journey To Troy Part One-titled, 1. His Heart and Soul Were Mortal Achilles, Bloody Battles, Death's Black Hand As Was Fated (Part Three) - Is the Conclusion.. Syllables Per Line: 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 0 12 12 14 14 Total # Syllables: 468 Total # Words: 340 edit : Links to all three parts Part One link https://www.poetrysoup.com/poem/achilles_his_heart_and_soul_were_mortal_1049429 Part two link: https://www.poetrysoup.com/poem/achilles_the_journey_to_troy_part_two_1051599 Part three link: https://www.poetrysoup.com/poem/achilles_bloody_battles_deaths_black_hand_as_was_fated_part_three_the_conclusion_1182783 Copyright © Robert Lindley | Year Posted 2019 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 03-21-2019 04:58 PM Finally! I have just today written the first four verses of the conclusion to my Achilles poem. This part is by far the hardest to conceive even how or where to start it and thus not have it far , far too long to match the other two parts in equal length. And my goal is for all three parts to be exact match in number of words, number of stanzas and number of syllable counts! Fantastically better if I can actually pull it off as I did with parts one and part two. So much harder but the reward will be so very much greater. I started a few months ago and ended up trashing the entire thing after having it about halfway completed.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Debate Policy - Political Message Board (http://www.debatepolicy.com) at 03-29-2024 06:04 AM.