* * * Debate Policy - Political Message Board Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : America Is Going Muslim Started at 01-02-2014 11:35 AM by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Visit at http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=44509 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-02-2014 11:35 AM Title : America Is Going Muslim America Is Going Muslim http://chersonandmolschky.com/2013/12/27/america-muslim/ The Islamic takeover of the US is gaining ground. America is going Muslim, and with the current policies in place, the Muslim Brotherhood infiltrating top government positions and with the influx of immigration from Muslim countries, Islam will be taking over quicker than Phil Robertson can get suspended from Duck Dynasty for expressing his Christian views. It may sound far-fetched, but the rug is being pulled out from under us, and before anyone takes notice, the transformation will be complete. There is nothing like demographic data to illustrate a point. Immigration is changing the face of the nation, and there are irrefutable statistics which prove this very point. There is US Census data which is part of the picture, but then there is the 2010 US Religion Census: Religious Congregations & Membership Study, analyzed by the Washington Post’s Niraj Chokshi in an article earlier this month. This is the type of data that is often disregarded because any time religion comes into play, people consider it a nonfactor, insignificant or for some reason, unreliable information. However, this is a mistake. There will always be a margin for error in any study, no matter what the subject. In this case, religion plays an important role in our culture, in any culture really. It sets the stage for our behavior, as we are shaped by our beliefs and our culture. With that being said, the melting pot of the United States was always molded by the Judeo-Christian values set forth by the forefathers who built the nation. But now that melting pot is doing less melting, and the bashing of Christianity and Judaism is perpetrated by the leftist, liberal culture which has overtaken the country, while all other religions are given free rein in the name of “freedom of religion.” This freedom of religion would be fine on two conditions: first, that the religion of the majority, the religion that founded this nation, is also allowed to exist without the shame that is being placed upon it nowadays; and second, that any religion which seeks to eliminate the rest, which seeks to conquer and destroy the nation and which is dictated by “holy” books and clerics calling for the violent acts of rape and murder in the name of their god, is not granted the same rights as the other religions. In other words, Islam, the only religion which falls into the above mentioned category, cannot be treated the same as the other religions whose adherents simply wish to be left alone to worship in peace. Unfortunately, the opposite is happening. America is going Muslim. Sure, the South is still the Bible belt with the Southern Baptist Church maintaining its strength, and Catholicism is still prevalent throughout much of the country. However, the growing trend is secularism. Many Christians and Jews are becoming more secular, placing less importance on their religions, while the religions of the immigrants remain important. When those immigrants are Muslims, whose favorite chants at their protests against our governments are “Death to America,” “Death to Israel,” and “Death to the UK,” as they burn our flags, our lack of interest in our own religions is allowing for Islam to creep in. So very true, the South seems to be the last stronghold here. Yet they are now expanding even down here. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : pete311 Date : 01-02-2014 01:31 PM completely unreliable source. looks like some terrorist in a cave made it. try again -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : jafar00 Date : 01-02-2014 04:14 PM It smells of nuts. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : fj1200 Date : 01-02-2014 04:19 PM It smells of nuts. If the number of threads pertaining to such is any indication... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 01-02-2014 05:27 PM completely unreliable source. looks like some terrorist in a cave made it. try again Not liking Censuses or the Washington Post, ey Pete? I guess we all should just wait and only believe what you deem a "reliable source". :rolleyes: there is the 2010 US Religion Census: Religious Congregations & Membership Study, analyzed by the Washington Post’s Niraj Chokshi in an article earlier this month. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : jafar00 Date : 01-02-2014 07:13 PM Islam is a rapidly growing religion over the world. Likewise, an increasing number of people are putting "jedi" or "sith" on their census forms. Does that mean the US is also in danger of being taken over by the force? :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : gabosaurus Date : 01-02-2014 07:14 PM What is the difference between America being Muslim or being Catholic? Or Protestant? Religious hatred is fairly widespread. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : pete311 Date : 01-02-2014 07:31 PM Not liking Censuses or the Washington Post, ey Pete? I guess we all should just wait and only believe what you deem a "reliable source". :rolleyes: If you can't tell the difference between that drivel and a reviewed source, god help your soul. What is the difference between America being Muslim or being Catholic? Or Protestant? Religious hatred is fairly widespread. word. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-02-2014 07:52 PM completely unreliable source. looks like some terrorist in a cave made it. try again What an ego.. As if I would care to find a source you approve of. Why don't you just admit that you are a liberal lemming type. All the signs are pointing to that. I've been keeping up on that with a twinkle in my eyes. :laugh: --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-02-2014 07:53 PM If you can't tell the difference between that drivel and a reviewed source, god help your soul. I have been keeping up with that and almost certain yours is drivel. Another half dozen posts from you should give me the final proof since you did not refute any of the linked post. You just screamed the source doesn't fit your opinion on the matter and somehow thinks that carries so far greater weight here.. Why I haven't a clue.. :laugh:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : pete311 Date : 01-02-2014 08:01 PM What an ego.. As if I would care to find a source you approve of. Why don't you just admit that you are a liberal lemming type. All the signs are pointing to that. I've been keeping up on that with a twinkle in my eyes. :laugh: --Tyr voted for bush and then johnson. keep talking -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-02-2014 08:06 PM voted for bush and then johnson. keep talking Really??? What Johnson ran after Bush ran? "bush and then johnson" Are you even American?? --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : pete311 Date : 01-02-2014 08:08 PM Really??? What Johnson ran after Bush ran? "bush and then johnson" Are you even American?? --Tyr you don't know who gary johnson is? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-02-2014 08:20 PM you don't know who gary johnson is? The guy that got less than one percent of the vote. I simply do not keep up with small fry like that. At least he is Libertarian SO YOU HAVE THAT MUCH GOING FOR YOU. I'll grant you that..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : pete311 Date : 01-02-2014 08:29 PM The guy that got less than one percent of the vote. I simply do not keep up with small fry like that. At least he is Libertarian SO YOU HAVE THAT MUCH GOING FOR YOU. I'll grant you that..-Tyr 1% of this country is sane. just about every presidential election is a lose lose -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-02-2014 08:46 PM 1% of this country is sane. just about every presidential election is a lose lose As an estimation I'd say its closer to about 12% that are totally sane. ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 01-03-2014 10:32 AM If you can't tell the difference between that drivel and a reviewed source, god help your soul. word. You are trying to avoid the point I made. Are you saying the Washington Post, and censuses, are unreliable? They are both referenced in the article. Even if your bias won't allow you to notice that in the article, I have pointed it out to you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : avatar4321 Date : 01-03-2014 07:13 PM Im not worried about America going Muslim. I dont see it as prevelant problem. We have a bigger problem with the nation going socialist. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-05-2014 10:58 PM Im not worried about America going Muslim. I dont see it as prevelant problem. We have a bigger problem with the nation going socialist. The socialists/dems have an alliance with the Muslims. That makes it a double problem as they team together to help destroy the foundation of this nation. Both groups hate this nation as it was founded. Fact..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : Arbo Date : 01-05-2014 11:03 PM Im not worried about America going Muslim. I dont see it as prevelant problem. We have a bigger problem with the nation going socialist. Those who are busy seeing boogie men under their beds with towels on their heads, are not generally in touch with the actual problems this nation faces. It doesn't matter where the article is from, it's amazingly laughable. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : logroller Date : 01-06-2014 12:47 AM The guy that got less than one percent of the vote. I simply do not keep up with small fry like that. That's ironic considering that, according to the demographic sources in the OP the US muslim population is less than 1%. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-06-2014 10:47 AM That's ironic considering that, according to the demographic sources in the OP the US muslim population is less than 1%. Nothing ironic about it since the subject was voting and a third party candidate not terrorism and those who support it. Perhaps not trying to mix apples and oranges would help you in life. Context is a very important factor in a comment you know. However now that you touched on the subject I ask how large was the number of muslims that did the deed on 9/11 and how great was the damage(over 3,000 murdered)? So small fry when the subject is voting and small fry when the subject is deliberate murder of innocent people by muslims are not comparable. I am sure you already know and understand that which is why your reply to me had me wondering what you are truly getting at.. Care to explain? Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 01-06-2014 12:05 PM http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/nero.gif -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : jafar00 Date : 01-06-2014 01:25 PM That's ironic considering that, according to the demographic sources in the OP the US muslim population is less than 1%. 1%! That's the breaking point! You are being overun!!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : logroller Date : 01-06-2014 02:09 PM Nothing ironic about it since the subject was voting and a third party candidate not terrorism and those who support it. Perhaps not trying to mix apples and oranges would help you in life. Context is a very important factor in a comment you know. However now that you touched on the subject I ask how large was the number of muslims that did the deed on 9/11 and how great was the damage(over 3,000 murdered)? So small fry when the subject is voting and small fry when the subject is deliberate murder of innocent people by muslims are not comparable. I am sure you already know and understand that which is why your reply to me had me wondering what you are truly getting at.. Care to explain? Tyr Why sure. I thought the subject was a growing number of Muslims in America....:dunno: What I meant was that despite the reference to demographic data in support of the premises "America is going muslim", curiously omitted were actual numbers. Why? I'll tel you what I think, it's because the numbers don't actually support the premise. I can look at those same data and more easily support the premises 'America is becoming more secular, or less Christian or even America is going Mormon'. Yet curiously, that's not the subject. Why? I imagine that fails to encompass the narrative, replete with bias rather than actual facts-- Care to explain otherwise? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : aboutime Date : 01-06-2014 04:28 PM That's ironic considering that, according to the demographic sources in the OP the US muslim population is less than 1%. logroller. Sounds great, probably impresses the daylights out of you...being able to make such a wonderful announcement to belittle someone else. Funny how you intentionally failed to mention how...on September 11th, 2001. Only a dozen Muslims...from that 1 percent you so proudly mentioned....managed to CHANGE AMERICAN LIFE FOREVER. But then again. Why would you say such a thing? You have nothing else but your own ego to impress. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : Arbo Date : 01-06-2014 04:40 PM logroller. Sounds great, probably impresses the daylights out of you...being able to make such a wonderful announcement to belittle someone else. Funny how you intentionally failed to mention how...on September 11th, 2001. Only a dozen Muslims...from that 1 percent you so proudly mentioned....managed to CHANGE AMERICAN LIFE FOREVER. But then again. Why would you say such a thing? You have nothing else but your own ego to impress. Has nothing to do with how it sounds or who it impresses. The numbers speak for themselves, and they kill the narrative of the OP. How many people it takes to pull off a terrorist plot has zero to do with a 'muslim takeover of America' in terms of the OP, but keep flailing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 01-06-2014 06:45 PM In America, where we bend over backwards to cater to minority groups, small numbers can actually be an advantage. Gay marriage, for just one example, is gaining ground every day. Not to mention how Phil Robertson temporarily lost his gig over his opinion of gayness. Btw, genuine question- what are the Muslim numbers like in Canada, where I recall there was a movement to invoke Sharia law? I understand that some here feel the Muslim threat is looming large, while others think that is an absurd fear. I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle. But isn't it always a good idea to stay on your toes when (as we've seen in the Middle East and Africa) your way of life is possibly threatened? I'm sure at some point the people of Afghanistan and Iraq didn't think they had anything to fear, either. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-06-2014 06:51 PM Why sure. I thought the subject was a growing number of Muslims in America....:dunno: What I meant was that despite the reference to demographic data in support of the premises "America is going muslim", curiously omitted were actual numbers. Why? I'll tel you what I think, it's because the numbers don't actually support the premise. I can look at those same data and more easily support the premises 'America is becoming more secular, or less Christian or even America is going Mormon'. Yet curiously, that's not the subject. Why? I imagine that fails to encompass the narrative, replete with bias rather than actual facts-- Care to explain otherwise? The OP article was about more than just population growth. It was about cultural and political influence too. The Islamic groups are making huge inroads in that arena. CAIR is no bit player in the political arena. As to your question about the OP ARTICLE in which you ask me this-- \\ .-- Yet curiously, that's not the subject. Why? I imagine that fails to encompass the narrative, replete with bias rather than actual facts-- Care to explain otherwise? I say I didnt write the article. Ask the author is my suggestion. However when you mention bias you do not care to point to the extreme bias the muslims engage in. In fact , nothing they do includes thinking of the rights and welfare of any group that is not muslim. Strange how you miss that elephant in the room while you accuse myself and others of bias! There is no pursued sense of justice and fair play in the way they pursue their agenda. If there was they would not support those that use violence to advance it! You guys can not have it both ways, either they are a huge deal because they are over a billion people worldwide or they are insignificant threat because they are such a small percentage of the U.S. population. Myself I get damn tired of seeing both examples used by the same defenders/appeasers of Islam.. They can not be both IMHO. I GAVE YOU A VERIFIED FACT OF HOW A VERY FEW OF THEM MURDERED OVER 3,00O INNOCENT AMERICANS. YOUR ANSWER TO THAT WAS TO SPEAK OF THE BIAS OF WE THAT OPPOSE THEM WHILE YOU IGNORE THIER BIAS AND ABSOLUTE INTOLERANCE. I find that to be hypocritical . Especially since anybody above moron level can see their agenda is to destroy us and our way of life. All must submit to Allah or die! That is their prime directive. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-06-2014 07:04 PM http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/nero.gif Nero only played , Obama is trucking in tankers of gasoline adding to the fire! And remember his words, "in the end he will always side with Islam". Words his defenders ignore and care not to answer about. http://www.conservativecrusader.com/articles/b-hussein-obama-i-will-stand-with-the-muslims B. HUSSEIN OBAMA: 'I will stand with the Muslims. . . Will injustices in America ever go away completely? by: j. grant swank, jr | published: 07 01, 2008 Note what B. Hussein Obama says in his own words. They are from his books entitled “Dreams of My Father” and “Audacity of Hope. In “Audacity of Hope” he writes: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope. B. Hussein was writing about the injustices suffered by some in America. In that context he wrote that sentence. Will injustices in America ever go away completely? No. We live in an imperfect world. Therefore, will the situation ever arise by which Muslims in the United States will cry out for B. Hussein to lean in their favor. Of course. And will he? Well, he’s already said he will “stand with the Muslims.” Need we go any further? More from “Dreams of My Father,” B. Hussein writes: “I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites. And further in that same book: “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race. There is more: “There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white. Has the Jeremiah Wright twenty year tutoring of anti-white, pro-blackism wedded to B. Hussein’s perspective regarding blacks and whites? No doubt. B. Hussein writes in “Dreams of My Father” that “it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names. This is particularly telling and frightening: “I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. Did you get that? Malcolm X, racist who despises white people, is his hero. Concerning his father, note: “He comes from a father who was a Muslim,” said civil rights author Juan Williams of National Public Radio. “I mean, I think that given we’re at war with Muslim extremists, that presents a problem. In addition, Obama’s stepfather was a practicing Muslim yes, the man will always side with his "brothers".--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Author : aboutime Date : 01-06-2014 07:09 PM In America, where we bend over backwards to cater to minority groups, small numbers can actually be an advantage. Gay marriage, for just one example, is gaining ground every day. Not to mention how Phil Robertson temporarily lost his gig over his opinion of gayness. Btw, genuine question- what are the Muslim numbers like in Canada, where I recall there was a movement to invoke Sharia law? I understand that some here feel the Muslim threat is looming large, while others think that is an absurd fear. I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle. But isn't it always a good idea to stay on your toes when (as we've seen in the Middle East and Africa) your way of life is possibly threatened? I'm sure at some point the people of Afghanistan and Iraq didn't think they had anything to fear, either. Abbey. I like to think of myself as the one who never forgets History so much...I am included with those who were doomed to repeat it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Author : gabosaurus Date : 01-06-2014 08:50 PM My daughter has an authentic Muslim prayer rug. She got it from the kid across the street. Recently, our cat has taken to sleeping on the rug. Should I be worried about Feline Jihad? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-06-2014 09:55 PM 1%! That's the breaking point! You are being overun!!!! sure , nothing to worry about. These bit players mean nothing and their calls for Sharia mean nothing. -Tyr https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/another-u-s-muslim-calls-for-limiting-americans-1st-amendment-rights-to-protect-islam/ Another U.S. Muslim calls for limiting American’s 1st Amendment rights…to protect Muslims Posted on March 27, 2013 by creeping And subjecting Americans to sharia law. Cox & Forkum: No Fare via Obama’s Religious Freedom Appointee Involved in Muslim Event Calling for Limiting Freedom of Speech | CNS News. America’s free-speech model is in desperate need of an update, says an American-Muslim human rights activist who recently spoke at an event linked to an Obama administration appointee. Dr. Qasim Rashid argued that cyber-bullying laws could be used to limit freedom of expression – such as the burning of Korans — in war time: “When a nation is at war, many things that might be said in times of peace are a hindrance to this effort,” Rashid said on March 19 at Howard University. “And their utterance will not be endured so long as men fight and…no court can regard them as protected by any constitutional right.” Read that again. Rashid masquerades as a self-proclaimed moderate but he clearly wants to replace the Constitutional right of free speech with sharia law. Rashid began his remarks by personally thanking Dr. Azizah al-Hibri, appointed by President Barack Obama to the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) in June 2011. Al-Hibri founded Karamah, a group devoted to the rights of Muslim women, and it was this group that invited Rashid to speak. “I do want to start by thanking Karamah,” Rashid said. “I was fortunate enough to have several constitutional scholars look at this paper and provide feedback. Dr. al-Hibri, of course…” The topic of the March 19 event at Howard University was titled, “The Limits of Free Speech in a Global Era: Does America’s Free Speech Model Endanger Muslim Americans?” “Our understanding of free speech today is not some long-held 227- or 235-year understanding,” said Rashid, a member of the Muslim Writers Guild of America, who presented a paper titled “In Harm’s Way: The Desperate Need to Update America’s Current Free Speech Model.” In other words, Muslims like Rashid want to modify our Constitutional rights, using existing laws at first, to institutionalize sharia blasphemy laws. Muslims are becoming much more vocal about their desires to force all Americans to abide by Islamic sharia law. See Muslim group asks DOJ to start enforcing sharia blasphemy law and 40% of Muslims in US want sharia, 46% say criminalize blasphemy, incl death penalty. Rashid quoted Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who in 2011 said, “Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.” Using the Koran burning as an example, Rashid said that cyber-bullying legislation could be used to prosecute individuals for their speech on a case-by-case basis. “My argument is that we already have legislation, right?” he said. “I mean, we already have a cyber-bullying policy in all 50 states that even without the threat of violence – even without violence occurring, we’re already holding individuals responsible for this intentional infliction of harm on others.” “So I think that legislation’s already there,” Rashid said. “It’s just more a question of how is it going to be applied.” MFS notes: According to the Investigative Project on Terrorism, Dr. al-Hibri sat on the National Advisory Board of the American Muslim Council (AMC) from 1991 to 1998 with AMC Executive Director Abdurahman Alamoudi. Alamoudi was later sentenced to 23 years in prison after pleading guilty to terrorism charges for his involvement in an assassination plot of then- Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah. Thanks to sheikyermami for reminding us that Obama appointee al-Hibri says Koran and Islam influenced Jefferson, Founding Fathers. David Wood at Answering Muslims writes: Hmmm. Whenever I say, “Islam doesn’t allow criticism of Muhammad or his teachings,” I’m labeled a racist, Islamophobic, hate-mongering bigot. How dare I even suggest that Islam isn’t perfectly in line with the U.S. Constitution? But when Muslim leaders call for restrictions on free speech, no one seems to care. I’m still waiting, though, for some consistency on the part of Muslims. If Qasim Rashid wants my speech to be restricted because it might offend Muslims, what about verses of the Qur’an that are offensive to non-Muslims? The Qur’an calls Christians and Jews the “worst of creatures” (98:6), and commands Muslims to violently subjugate non-Muslims (9:29), and asks Allah to destroy Christians and Jews (9:30), and invites men to beat their wives into submission (4:34). If we’re going to start banning speech, why wouldn’t this speech be first on the list? Andrew Harrod has a more detailed analysis of the meeting via A Muslim ‘Reformer’s’ Idea of Free Speech. ^^^^^^^ See nothing to worry about..:rolleyes:--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 34] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-07-2014 12:02 AM http://shariahinamericancourts.com/?page_id=305 Shariah in American Courts About the Report State Cases Database Top 20 Cases Prior Research View Cases By Country View Cases By Country Across the 50 cases there were 16 foreign countries from which Shariah-based legal conventions or decisions were brought to bear upon the case. . View Cases by State View Cases by State A total of 50 cases from 23 different states involving “conflict of law” between Shariah and American state law. Shariah Cases By State From Shariah Law and American State Courts: An Assessment of State Appellate Court Cases: This study analyzes and discusses a total of 50 cases from 23 different states: 6 cases were found in New Jersey; 5 in California; 4 each in Florida, Massachusetts and Washington; 3 each in Maryland, Texas and Virginia; 2 each in Iowa, Louisiana and Nebraska; and 1 each in Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Hampshire, Ohio and South Carolina. Select a state to see cases. •Arizona •Arkansas •California •Delaware •Florida •Illinois •Indiana •Iowa •Louisiana •Maine •Maryland •Massachusetts •Michigan •Minnesota •Missouri •Nebraska •New Hampshire •New Jersey •Ohio •South Carolina •Texas •Virginia •Washington Don't worry folks our sell out politicians are right on top of selling out as quickly as they can! You live another 20-25 years you'll likely get to see our grandchildren exist as third class citizens ruled by muslims. Yes, it could happen that quickly. I was right about China and I am dead right about what is being done to this nation.. Bookmark and please check out this link. 2nd best link I've found on Islam and it has even more on Islam and its plan to destroy USA THAN ANY OTHER SITE I'VE FOUND YET. -Tyr http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/baltimores-new-islamic-enclave/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 35] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-07-2014 12:31 AM CLICK THE LINK WATCH THE VIDEO OF THE CHRISTMAS DAY CARNAGE OF THE RELIGION OF PEACE SCUM MURDERING INNOCENT CHRISTIAN WORSHIPPERS. Be sure to pay attention to the kids murdered in that video too. Too damn squeamish to watch it don't reply to me with any of your dumbass appeasing drivel. Too squeamish to go see the type of filthy murdering animals you defend stfu and go jump off a tall building. -Tyr Here enjoy the work of the filthy murdering slugs you seek to appease /justify. By the way, when that starts here (and it will sooner than you can imagine) send me a pm and Ill give you my phone number. I'd dearly love to tell you in person what I truly think of you blinded ignorant dumbass punks!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 36] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-07-2014 07:23 PM CLICK THE LINK WATCH THE VIDEO OF THE CHRISTMAS DAY CARNAGE OF THE RELIGION OF PEACE SCUM MURDERING INNOCENT CHRISTIAN WORSHIPPERS. Be sure to pay attention to the kids murdered in that video too. Too damn squeamish to watch it don't reply to me with any of your dumbass appeasing drivel. Too squeamish to go see the type of filthy murdering animals you defend stfu and go jump off a tall building. -Tyr Here enjoy the work of the filthy murdering slugs you seek to appease /justify. By the way, when that starts here (and it will sooner than you can imagine) send me a pm and Ill give you my phone number. I'd dearly love to tell you in person what I truly think of you blinded ignorant dumbass punks!-Tyr Sorry here is the link. http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/attack-on-christians-leaves-christmas-day-carnage/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 37] Author : logroller Date : 01-08-2014 12:53 AM CLICK THE LINK WATCH THE VIDEO OF THE CHRISTMAS DAY CARNAGE OF THE RELIGION OF PEACE SCUM MURDERING INNOCENT CHRISTIAN WORSHIPPERS. Be sure to pay attention to the kids murdered in that video too. Too damn squeamish to watch it don't reply to me with any of your dumbass appeasing drivel. Too squeamish to go see the type of filthy murdering animals you defend stfu and go jump off a tall building. -Tyr Here enjoy the work of the filthy murdering slugs you seek to appease /justify. By the way, when that starts here (and it will sooner than you can imagine) send me a pm and Ill give you my phone number. I'd dearly love to tell you in person what I truly think of you blinded ignorant dumbass punks!-Tyr http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bush_mission_accomplished.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 38] Author : logroller Date : 01-08-2014 12:57 AM Don't worry folks our sell out politicians are right on top of selling out as quickly as they can! You live another 20-25 years you'll likely get to see our grandchildren exist as third class citizens ruled by muslims. Yes, it could happen that quickly. I was right about China and I am dead right about what is being done to this nation.. Bookmark and please check out this link. 2nd best link I've found on Islam and it has even more on Islam and its plan to destroy USA THAN ANY OTHER SITE I'VE FOUND YET. -Tyr Pick any three of those cases and I'll pick two more and we can debate one on one whether they were in conflict with American law. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Debate Policy - Political Message Board (http://www.debatepolicy.com) at 03-29-2024 03:46 AM.