* * * Debate Policy - Political Message Board Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Red Flag Law for Ex Military Started at 09-25-2021 12:49 PM by SassyLady Visit at http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=74233 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : SassyLady Date : 09-25-2021 12:49 PM Title : Red Flag Law for Ex Military Hey guys ... did any of you know about this? Due process is after you've been served and guns confiscated. Was passed in the 2022 National Defense Authorization Act by the House. Still had to pass Senate but with the rinos in there it will probably pass. Is this the first step to confiscating from the general public? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/house-passes-red-flag-gun-confiscation-bill-ex-military-members-lots-republicans-voted/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : JakeStarkey Date : 09-25-2021 01:04 PM No -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Gunny Date : 09-25-2021 04:05 PM Hey guys ... did any of you know about this? Due process is after you've been served and guns confiscated. Was passed in the 2022 National Defense Authorization Act by the House. Still had to pass Senate but with the rinos in there it will probably pass. Is this the first step to confiscating from the general public? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/house-passes-red-flag-gun-confiscation-bill-ex-military-members-lots-republicans-voted/I knew about it. There's a thread or two on it. Everyone was too busy arguing about vaccines, masks and mandates. They can kiss my ass. I was "fishing" with a message board friend and mine all fell into the Gulf. Too bad. NOBODY tells ME what to think. THAT is the red flag, and a line in the sand. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Gunny Date : 09-25-2021 04:53 PM Hey guys ... did any of you know about this? Due process is after you've been served and guns confiscated. Was passed in the 2022 National Defense Authorization Act by the House. Still had to pass Senate but with the rinos in there it will probably pass. Is this the first step to confiscating from the general public? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/house-passes-red-flag-gun-confiscation-bill-ex-military-members-lots-republicans-voted/Where to begin? A military court has no authority over me in my daily life and I currently perform no official, US military/government function. Military justice has no authority off base to confiscate jack shit. This is official, US Government legislation from the House of Representatives of the United States? WTF then is "the United States Code of Military Justice"? There is no such thing in existence for them to reference as anything. The military is governed by the "UNIFORM Code of Military Justice". :rolleyes: Idiots. The military is going to come out in town to my house? I'll call SAPD or Bexar County Sheriff on their asses. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : icansayit Date : 09-25-2021 05:17 PM Title : Let 'em try. Once we have been discharged, and our clearances revoked, or terminated. The Military HAS NO say over any of us as long as we are not still being paid by Uncle Sam. As for our retirements after service. Even that is Untouchable as we become civilians again. Finally. There is only ONE SURE THING we all mutually share together...NO CONGRESS MEMBER can change, take away, or Ignore... The U.S. Constitution.....PERIOD. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : JakeStarkey Date : 09-25-2021 05:37 PM Congress can, actually, call us back to service, court martial us, jail us, take away our pay. That's primarily for O ranks, but cases have been made for NCOs and other ranks. I wish it was otherwise, but, unfortunately, it is what it is. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : SassyLady Date : 09-25-2021 05:45 PM Anyone worried about the emergency powers section? Seems Presidents are using this pretty arbitrarily these days.. https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/09/military-courts-could-order-red-flag-gun-confiscation-under-defense-bill/ In the legislation, those beholden to the United States Code of Military Justice could be issued a “military court protective order” by a military judge or magistrate, which would make “possessing, receiving, or otherwise accessing a firearm” illegal. “A military court protective order issued on an ex parte basis shall restrain a person from possessing, receiving, or otherwise accessing a firearm; and a military court protective order issued after the person to be subject to the order has received notice and opportunity to be heard on the order, shall restrain such person from possessing, receiving, or otherwise accessing a firearm in accordance with section 922 of title 18,” SEC. 529 of H.R. 4350 states. Additionally, military court protective orders issued on an emergency basis are exempted from providing the recipient with the standard “right to due process.” Instead, “notice and opportunity to be heard” must only be provided after an order was already issued. “EMERGENCY ORDERS.—A protective order on an emergency basis may be issued on an ex parte basis under such rules and limitations as the President shall prescribe,” the section continues. “In the case of ex parte orders, notice and opportunity to be heard and to present evidence must be provided within a reasonable time not to exceed 30 calendar days after the date on which the order is issued, sufficient to protect the respondent’s due process rights.” -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : icansayit Date : 09-25-2021 06:03 PM Title : BS...And PISSOFF. Congress can, actually, call us back to service, court martial us, jail us, take away our pay. That's primarily for O ranks, but cases have been made for NCOs and other ranks. I wish it was otherwise, but, unfortunately, it is what it is. Show me anywhere in the UCMJ that applies in any way to retired military in their 70's or earlier that calls for Calling us back to service, court martial, jail, or take away our pay. IF YOU FIND THAT FACT. I will never call you full of SHIT ever again. Until then BS and PISSOFF. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : Gunny Date : 09-25-2021 07:10 PM Congress can, actually, call us back to service, court martial us, jail us, take away our pay. That's primarily for O ranks, but cases have been made for NCOs and other ranks. I wish it was otherwise, but, unfortunately, it is what it is.The Marine Corps can call me back to active duty because I am a retiree and my retirement document specifically says such. (More on that). I assume the same is tru of AT because he is a retiree as well. Discharged personal who have completed their active and inactive reserve time cannot be recalled. Show me anywhere in the UCMJ that applies in any way to retired military in their 70's or earlier that calls for Calling us back to service, court martial, jail, or take away our pay. IF YOU FIND THAT FACT. I will never call you full of SHIT ever again. Until then BS and PISSOFF.You make the point that matters ... yes, I can be recalled. Let them do just THAT. Please. Break my lyin, cheatin, cold, dead-beatin, two-timing, mean, mistreatin, lovin heart. Active Gunny pay, no dependents and my ass is moving straight into the barracks and out of this civilian world full of crazies. Please whatever you do Brer Fox, don't throw me into that briar patch :rolleyes: Until that time, I live off base and am not subject to military rule. I can't even figure out under what premise a military justice would do such a thing. He has no authority at my house. It ends at the Base gate. EVEN IF I was on active duty, a military justice has no authority outside the gate. To have authority over ME, which is all they get, they have to put me back on active duty. In which case I refer you to the previous paragraph. This how this shit works. I posted on it before. DoD made it okay to rat on military personnel, even former military personnel if you think they are "extremist". Fuck their witch hunt. It's just another step into the back door of legislating gun confiscations. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : JakeStarkey Date : 09-25-2021 07:15 PM Articles II and III of the UCMJ permit retirees who receive retired pay or medical benefits to be recalled to service to face crimes of which they are accused unless the statutes of limits have expired. IOW, such individual can be subject to trial for crimes subject to the UCMJ regardless of discharge date. https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?edition=prelim&path=%2Fprelim%40title10%2FsubtitleA%2Fpart2%2Fchapter47&req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title10-chapter47&num=0&hl=false -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : Gunny Date : 09-25-2021 07:19 PM Articles II and III of the UCMJ permit retirees who receive retired pay or medical benefits to be recalled to service to face crimes of which they are accused unless the statutes of limits have expired. IOW, such individual can be subject to trial for crimes subject to the UCMJ regardless of discharge date. https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?edition=prelim&path=%2Fprelim%40title10%2FsubtitleA%2Fpart2%2Fchapter47&req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title10-chapter47&num=0&hl=falseTrue, BUT ... I would have to commit those crimes on a military base/against the military for a military justice to have jurisdiction. Otherwise, I'm headed for Bexar County lockup. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : icansayit Date : 09-25-2021 07:22 PM Title : FOR CRIMES. Not because somebody who says so who doesn't know any better. Articles II and III of the UCMJ permit retirees who receive retired pay or medical benefits to be recalled to service to face crimes of which they are accused unless the statutes of limits have expired. IOW, such individual can be subject to trial for crimes subject to the UCMJ regardless of discharge date. https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?edition=prelim&path=%2Fprelim%40title10%2FsubtitleA%2Fpart2%2Fchapter47&req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title10-chapter47&num=0&hl=false If you also bother to tell the entire HONEST part of what you claim to have read. You might like to include the CRIME someone has been accused of committing...and then Remember something called the U.S. Constitution, which SUPERCEDES anything the UCMJ says...every time for AMERICANS. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : JakeStarkey Date : 09-25-2021 07:27 PM If you also bother to tell the entire HONEST part of what you claim to have read. You might like to include the CRIME someone has been accused of committing...and then Remember something called the U.S. Constitution, which SUPERCEDES anything the UCMJ says...every time for AMERICANS.meh You are blabbing and misinforming again. Go back see what you bothered to ask and how I replied. I met your charge. And, icansayit, you have no idea how the US Constitution applies to these situations. Has the alcohol sloshed your brains that stupid ad homming is somehow making you look like anything other than the idiot you seem to be. See I can ad hom and better. Truly, icansayit, you need to calm down. You do yourself no good by ranting and carrying on. :) Just helping out. That stuff you did overseas can come and bite you in the ass. The authorities can still get you for black marketing if they find out., -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : icansayit Date : 09-25-2021 08:21 PM Title : That's right again...and thanks meh You are blabbing and misinforming again. Go back see what you bothered to ask and how I replied. I met your charge. And, icansayit, you have no idea how the US Constitution applies to these situations. Has the alcohol sloshed your brains that stupid ad homming is somehow making you look like anything other than the idiot you seem to be. See I can ad hom and better. Truly, icansayit, you need to calm down. You do yourself no good by ranting and carrying on. :) Just helping out. That stuff you did overseas can come and bite you in the ass. The authorities can still get you for black marketing if they find out., Until now. I have always wondered who it was that BIT ME IN THE ASS. Had to get a RABIES shot because of you. So Thanks for finally exposing what you did to me. As for the black marketing. How's that going for you? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : JakeStarkey Date : 09-25-2021 08:37 PM Until now. I have always wondered who it was that BIT ME IN THE ASS. Had to get a RABIES shot because of you. So Thanks for finally exposing what you did to me. As for the black marketing. How's that going for you? I corrected you on the lack of your knowledge. I exposed your actual ignorance of the UCMJ, and you have been frothing ever since. So you are a black marketeer. Hmm. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : Gunny Date : 09-25-2021 09:15 PM Let's start from the start here. This all started with military personnel just like anyone else questioning the Constitutionality of the election. Can't have that. SO, DoD basically said anyone who questioned the Constitutionality of the election was an extremist and conspiracy theorist and it would not be tolerated. Followed by basically what the HR states. Extremists can be court-martialed, AND if anyone knows of any extremists, to report them. Divide and conquer and sow the seeds of mistrust. Whether the cart is following the horse or vice versa in regard to Pelosi and her paranoid, conspiracy theorists or the political appointees at DoD. In plain English, "You will think this and that's an order ...". Doesn't matter what the Constitution states. Doesn't matter they are telling people what to think. That's an order and all military personnel will comply. We'll throw in the retirees as well to put a scare into those we can and keep them divided and distrusting as well. And it works. If anyone would know, it would be me. Bigger picture wise and speaking of that slippery slope, this constitutes separating the military from the Constitution and placing its loyalty on the institution. Not a "conspiracy theory". Just a distinct possibility in the realm of possibilities. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : icansayit Date : 09-25-2021 09:43 PM Title : Thanks again...keep 'em comin...and Please...Just Pissoff I corrected you on the lack of your knowledge. I exposed your actual ignorance of the UCMJ, and you have been frothing ever since. So you are a black marketeer. Hmm. Sure you did. By the way. I still have that big BITE MARK you gave me and I feel it every time I sit down. So...I can honestly say...I think of you every time I have to take a BIDEN. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : JakeStarkey Date : 09-26-2021 07:45 AM Thanks again...keep 'em comin...and Please...Just Pissoff http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by JakeStarkey http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=991096#post991096) I corrected you on the lack of your knowledge. I exposed your actual ignorance of the UCMJ, and you have been frothing ever since. So you are a black marketeer. Hmm. icansayit Sure you did. By the way. I still have that big BITE MARK you gave me and I feel it every time I sit down. So...I can honestly say...I think of you every time I have to take a BIDEN. :lol::lol::lol::lol: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : fj1200 Date : 09-26-2021 11:19 AM Hey guys ... did any of you know about this? Due process is after you've been served and guns confiscated. Was passed in the 2022 National Defense Authorization Act by the House. Still had to pass Senate but with the rinos in there it will probably pass. Is this the first step to confiscating from the general public? No. Anyone worried about the emergency powers section? Seems Presidents are using this pretty arbitrarily these days.. No. The President is mentioned because the Executive branch is in charge of rulemaking for the armed services. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : icansayit Date : 09-26-2021 11:22 AM Title : Thanks for NOT DENYING THE BITE JAKEY. Thanks again...keep 'em comin...and Please...Just Pissoff http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by JakeStarkey http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=991096#post991096) I corrected you on the lack of your knowledge. I exposed your actual ignorance of the UCMJ, and you have been frothing ever since. So you are a black marketeer. Hmm. :lol::lol::lol::lol: I can literally claim you as a Perpetual PAIN IN MY ASS. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : Gunny Date : 09-26-2021 12:03 PM No. No. The President is mentioned because the Executive branch is in charge of rulemaking for the armed services.Half correct. The authority to make military law comes from the United States Constitution. Article One, Section Eight of the U.S. Constitution allows Congress to regulate the behavior of members of the military. In addition, the United States President may direct the actions of the U.S. military as the commander in chief. Congress makes the law. Its authority is the US Constitution. If the President, acting as CinC adds, subtracts, or changes any law, any such change STILL has to go through Congress or the change discarded. During real time war when the President assumes command of the military is normally when this would occur to meet an up to the minute, ever-changing battlefield. The US has also tied itself to international law; specifically, the Geneva Convention. This HR IS a slippery slope, and populist (your favorite word) law. When military personnel begin questioning the legitimacy of government, politicians get scared. This is the result. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : fj1200 Date : 09-26-2021 01:14 PM Half correct. ... and populist (your favorite word) law. :thumb: I'll take half. I was more thinking the POTUS making the rules because Congress can't help but direct someone else to make rules. And grrrrr. populists. :mad: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : JakeStarkey Date : 09-26-2021 01:53 PM I can literally claim you as a Perpetual PAIN IN MY ASS. ... only pushing you in the right direction. Read Gunny. He is setting you straight. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : icansayit Date : 09-26-2021 05:28 PM Title : Yeah Jake....you pushed in the right direction... ... only pushing you in the right direction. Read Gunny. He is setting you straight. That's why the TOOTH marks you made on my ass are all in a straight line. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : JakeStarkey Date : 09-26-2021 05:51 PM That's why the TOOTH marks you made on my ass are all in a straight line. You are so dizzy. Those are boot marks from me kicking you down the path. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : icansayit Date : 09-26-2021 07:28 PM Title : Dr. Dementia jake.... You are so dizzy. Those are boot marks from me kicking you down the path. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/19/e2/ee/19e2eedcd5bf5d92382dbad3a70e219b.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Debate Policy - Political Message Board (http://www.debatepolicy.com) at 03-29-2024 01:41 AM.