* * * Debate Policy - Political Message Board Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : TAKING OUT THE TRASH: 263 Terrorist Targets Destroyed By Russians Started at 11-05-2015 12:40 PM by Christie Brinkley Visit at http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=52403 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Christie Brinkley Date : 11-05-2015 12:40 PM Title : TAKING OUT THE TRASH: 263 Terrorist Targets Destroyed By Russians The Russian air force carried out 81 sorties hitting 263 terrorist targets over 2 days alone. Missions were carried out all over Syria hitting different terror groups Al Nusra/Islamic Front/ISIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0gO3pQ9EWI A spokesman said in a statement “In the area of the populated locality of Raqqa, SU-34 bombers hit two fortified block posts belonging to the terrorists, located on the outskirts of the city. Direct aerial bomb hits destroyed the terrorists’ fortified structures housing four units of automobile and armored vehicles,” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7_Bx_TW_9Q Su-25 bombers targeted a warehouse belonging to Al Nusra which allegedly had anti tank weapons (most likely from Saudi Arabia). Read More (https://www.rt.com/news/320908-russia-syria-terror-target/) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Perianne Date : 11-05-2015 12:49 PM The Russian air force carried out 81 sorties hitting 263 terrorist targets over 2 days alone. Missions were carried out all over Syria hitting different terror groups Al Nusra/Islamic Front/ISIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0gO3pQ9EWI A spokesman said in a statement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7_Bx_TW_9Q Su-25 bombers targeted a warehouse belonging to Al Nusra which allegedly had anti tank weapons (most likely from Saudi Arabia). Read More (https://www.rt.com/news/320908-russia-syria-terror-target/) I'm guessing they didn't worry about women and children like we do. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Christie Brinkley Date : 11-05-2015 01:08 PM I'm guessing they didn't worry about women and children like we do. ;) Love the sarcasm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : LongTermGuy Date : 11-05-2015 04:11 PM I'm guessing they didn't worry about women and children like we do. Yup...war is ugly....when trying to win with less casualties on your side fighting a determined ruthless enemy ...... https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.M11b98ff69a854df15aaa4a386fe372b8H0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=225&h=155 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Black Diamond Date : 11-05-2015 04:12 PM Yup...war is ugly....when trying to win with less casualties on your side fighting a determined ruthless enemy ...... https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.M11b98ff69a854df15aaa4a386fe372b8H0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=225&h=155 Two of the greatest days in American history. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : LongTermGuy Date : 11-05-2015 04:15 PM Two of the greatest days in American history. ​*It was a ruff...ugly Bad day for all....*somebody had to make it all stop....and I'm glad it was us... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : Black Diamond Date : 11-05-2015 04:18 PM ​*It was a ruff...ugly Bad day for all....*somebody had to make it all stop....and I'm glad it was us... Me too it had to be done. Better than mainland invasion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Christie Brinkley Date : 11-05-2015 04:24 PM Two of the greatest days in American history. Tell that to the 85 year old Japanese woman who had her family killed and her body disfigured. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : aboutime Date : 11-05-2015 04:33 PM Tell that to the 85 year old Japanese woman who had her family killed and her body disfigured. Would you rather have almost a Million military deaths if the US had to invade Japan. Nobody likes what happened, but it ended a war, and saved millions of lives. Nobody can deny that! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : LongTermGuy Date : 11-05-2015 04:33 PM Tell that to the 85 year old Japanese woman who had her family killed and her body disfigured. *Its happens now...day in and day out with Islam...part of the nature of the cult ......War is ugly....war is ruthless...War is bad...War is needed... Without War...the appeasing...tolerant weak will be slaves... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : aboutime Date : 11-05-2015 04:39 PM *Its happens now...day in and day out with Islam...part of the nature of the cult ......War is ugly....war is ruthless...War is bad...War is needed... Without War...the appeasing...tolerant weak will be slaves... Funny how nobody remembers this stuff is happening EVERY DAY on the streets of our big cities. Not with WMD's, but guns, knives, and automobiles. We pay so much attention to the Casualties of War...and overlook the countless, useless deaths on the Evening News each night! Is any form of killing any better...depending on where it takes place? Anyone care to answer that? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : Black Diamond Date : 11-05-2015 04:46 PM Tell that to the 85 year old Japanese woman who had her family killed and her body disfigured. Ok. Where is she? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : DLT Date : 11-05-2015 04:50 PM Two of the greatest days in American history. Ironic difference there..... that the US nuked Japan to end a war and to save lives.... and when the radical Muslims (like in Iran) nuke the US.... it will be to end the world and end lives. Some might even say that it is the oft brutal side of Karma. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : Christie Brinkley Date : 11-05-2015 04:52 PM Ok. Where is she? Many stories of scarring http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3190208/The-scars-nuclear-war-Japanese-pensioner-survived-Nagasaki-bomb-shows-remains-ribs-horrific-wounds-70-years-blast-killed-70-000.html http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/11/pictures-nagasaki-and-hiroshima-survivors-share-their-stories/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : Black Diamond Date : 11-05-2015 05:00 PM Many stories of scarring http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3190208/The-scars-nuclear-war-Japanese-pensioner-survived-Nagasaki-bomb-shows-remains-ribs-horrific-wounds-70-years-blast-killed-70-000.html http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/11/pictures-nagasaki-and-hiroshima-survivors-share-their-stories/ Do you have their emails? I will tell them they were the greatest two days in American history as well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : Christie Brinkley Date : 11-05-2015 05:01 PM Do you have their emails? I will tell them they were the greatest two days in American history as well. How is killing people a great day? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : aboutime Date : 11-05-2015 05:05 PM How is killing people a great day? It's never a great day. Those were different times, and the reality is. You, and I might not be here if History had been different. If Hitler, and Tojo had succeeded. There probably wouldn't be a USA where you and I had the freedom to speak about it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : Christie Brinkley Date : 11-05-2015 05:08 PM It's never a great day. Those were different times, and the reality is. You, and I might not be here if History had been different. If Hitler, and Tojo had succeeded. There probably wouldn't be a USA where you and I had the freedom to speak about it. Necessary yes but to call it a good day is wrong. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : Black Diamond Date : 11-05-2015 05:16 PM Necessary yes but to call it a good day is wrong. Forcing the surrender of America's enemy is a good day for America. All they had to do is surrender. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : Christie Brinkley Date : 11-05-2015 05:17 PM Forcing the surrender of America's enemy is a good day for America. All they had to do is surrender. The actual bomb was not good apart from the fact it ended the war. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : Black Diamond Date : 11-05-2015 05:27 PM The actual bomb was not good apart from the fact it ended the war. Saving thousands of lives is good. I am usually against war. But once the decision is made to fight, fight to win, with as few casualties on your side as possible. I don't believe in this UN police action horseshit. We said surrender. They didn't. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : Gunny Date : 11-05-2015 05:33 PM ;) Love the sarcasm That's messed up. I have British wit and no one appreciates the dry sarcasm here. They don't even get it here. You get just that blank stare .... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : LongTermGuy Date : 11-05-2015 06:53 PM Ironic difference there..... that the US nuked Japan to end a war and to save lives.... and when the radical Muslims (like in Iran) nuke the US.... it will be to end the world and end lives. Some might even say that it is the oft brutal side of Karma. ​Only if we allowed that to happen with Liberal appeasement...Tolerance and Ignorance...`The "good will always prevail"....Japan is one of our greatest allies and trading partners now.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : Christie Brinkley Date : 11-05-2015 07:03 PM Saving thousands of lives is good. I am usually against war. But once the decision is made to fight, fight to win, with as few casualties on your side as possible. I don't believe in this UN police action horseshit. We said surrender. They didn't. I don't believe the logic of 'the ends justify the means' should be celebrated. If that logic is used then it should just be classed as a terrible thing that had to happen. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : NightTrain Date : 11-05-2015 07:09 PM I don't believe the logic of 'the ends justify the means' should be celebrated. If that logic is used then it should just be classed as a terrible thing that had to happen. The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. Frankly, I really don't give a damn about the enemy. If you're in a war, you fight to win - not wring your hands about being "too hard" on them. You kill them en masse until they lose the will to fight and surrender. Black Diamond is right - they were 2 of the greatest days in American history. Not our fault the little bastards started a war with us. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : Christie Brinkley Date : 11-05-2015 07:17 PM Frankly, I really don't give a damn about the enemy. If you're in a war, you fight to win - not wring your hands about being "too hard" on them. You kill them en masse until they lose the will to fight and surrender. Black Diamond is right - they were 2 of the greatest days in American history. Not our fault the little bastards started a war with us. [/FONT][/COLOR] You cannot class obliterating whole cities as 'a good day for america' it is a good day for both sides that the war ended because of it but the bombs themselves were not good. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : aboutime Date : 11-05-2015 08:06 PM You cannot class obliterating whole cities as 'a good day for america' it is a good day for both sides that the war ended because of it but the bombs themselves were not good. Guess we should all just agree to STOP using the word "Good" so often. That will solve the issue for once. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : Perianne Date : 11-05-2015 08:55 PM Guess we should all just agree to STOP using the word "Good" so often. That will solve the issue for once. That is a good idea. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : Perianne Date : 11-05-2015 08:57 PM You cannot class obliterating whole cities as 'a good day for america' it is a good day for both sides that the war ended because of it but the bombs themselves were not good. CB, I totally understand what you are saying. It's like saying it is good that I shot that home burglar. No, it's not really good, it was just the best choice at the time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Author : Jeff Date : 11-06-2015 08:06 AM CB, I totally understand what you are saying. It's like saying it is good that I shot that home burglar. No, it's not really good, it was just the best choice at the time. I have to disagree and think your example is perfect for my argument as well, if someone decides to come into my house then they decided to be shot, and if you have to shoot do it to kill, if you just wound then he may have a gun and return fire, if we didn't hit them as hard as we did then as previously stated, we may not be typing here at all. If they didn't attack us then we wouldn't of had to fight, if he didn't break in I wouldn't of had to shoot, but always shoot to win. In my eyes both makes ya a winner, and a winning is always good. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Author : Gunny Date : 11-06-2015 08:32 AM You cannot class obliterating whole cities as 'a good day for america' it is a good day for both sides that the war ended because of it but the bombs themselves were not good. Came in the middle so I'm not sure what "good" is or who said it. The bombs were a means to an end. What was it Yamamoto said about waking a sleeping giant? Don't start something you can't finish. There's nothing "good" about war. But some of us fight them and we're good at what we do. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Author : Drummond Date : 11-06-2015 08:54 AM Necessary yes but to call it a good day is wrong. 'Good' is relative. If the Japanese Emperor had surrendered early enough, he could've spared both Hiroshima and Nagasaki the fate that they suffered, saving HOW many lives ? Now .. the Emperor would never have regarded surrender as a 'good' thing .. but, his failure to act in time did its own bit to doom the populations of both of those cities. You seem keen to hint at blame applying to Americans, but remember that the beginning of their involvement in WWII began through an unprovoked attack on a military target in American territory by the Japanese. Theirs was an enthusiasm for starting that warfare, and for earning the death tolls that followed. You speak of the 85 year old Japanese woman who had her family killed ? Just beforehand, what was her extent of enthusiasm for supporting Japan's war effort ? What would HER thoughts have been, had something comparable happened to a city of a country she saw as her enemy ?? Enemies are enemies, Christie. Your enemy would wish upon you great harm, which is what makes that enemy earn the name ! And, besides .. wars do inevitably involve deaths of noncombatants, who some might call 'innocents'. It's just a fact of life (.. or death). The Japanese people you're so inclined to pity WERE committed to a war effort which, by its nature, couldn't help but kill. Perhaps in your next post on this thread, you could post something showing sympathy to the victims of the Pearl Harbour atrocity ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Author : Gunny Date : 11-06-2015 09:12 AM 'Good' is relative. If the Japanese Emperor had surrendered early enough, he could've spared both Hiroshima and Nagasaki the fate that they suffered, saving HOW many lives ? Now .. the Emperor would never have regarded surrender as a 'good' thing .. but, his failure to act in time did its own bit to doom the populations of both of those cities. You seem keen to hint at blame applying to Americans, but remember that the beginning of their involvement in WWII began through an unprovoked attack on a military target in American territory by the Japanese. Theirs was an enthusiasm for starting that warfare, and for earning the death tolls that followed. You speak of the 85 year old Japanese woman who had her family killed ? Just beforehand, what was her extent of enthusiasm for supporting Japan's war effort ? What would HER thoughts have been, had something comparable happened to a city of a country she saw as her enemy ?? Enemies are enemies, Christie. Your enemy would wish upon you great harm, which is what makes that enemy earn the name ! And, besides .. wars do inevitably involve deaths of noncombatants, who some might call 'innocents'. It's just a fact of life (.. or death). The Japanese people you're so inclined to pity WERE committed to a war effort which, by its nature, couldn't help but kill. Perhaps in your next post on this thread, you could post something showing sympathy to the victims of the Pearl Harbour atrocity ? The people and the Emperor were not to blame. The military that bastardized bushido were. They took control of the government. When a military takes control of a government guess what's coming next? They have to justify their existence. And Japan has few natural resources unless you like fish and rice. I don't know the exact reason for them attacking Pearl Harbor. I think military and it was about as dumb a decision as Hitler attacking Russia. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 34] Author : NightTrain Date : 11-06-2015 09:53 AM You cannot class obliterating whole cities as 'a good day for america' it is a good day for both sides that the war ended because of it but the bombs themselves were not good. I can, and I do. We'll have to agree to disagree. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 35] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-06-2015 10:02 AM The Russian air force carried out 81 sorties hitting 263 terrorist targets over 2 days alone. Missions were carried out all over Syria hitting different terror groups Al Nusra/Islamic Front/ISIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0gO3pQ9EWI A spokesman said in a statement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7_Bx_TW_9Q Su-25 bombers targeted a warehouse belonging to Al Nusra which allegedly had anti tank weapons (most likely from Saudi Arabia). Read More (https://www.rt.com/news/320908-russia-syria-terror-target/) You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Christie Brinkley again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 36] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-06-2015 10:08 AM You cannot class obliterating whole cities as 'a good day for america' it is a good day for both sides that the war ended because of it but the bombs themselves were not good. Yes, I can and I do. Any time the enemy during war time is destroyed its a good day! Additionally--they( the Japs) had it coming for their sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. War is not a philosophical debate--its all about killing to survive my friend. They gored the bull (US)--they got the damn horns!! BOTH OF THEM! And that justice forever changed their nation/government. War is ALL ABOUT - AN eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth , in my view amigo .. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 37] Author : Gunny Date : 11-06-2015 10:09 AM You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Christie Brinkley again. The fact is, it was estimated it would cost 1M American lives to invade Mainland Japan. They WILL fight to the death. I care about their cities being blown up about as much as I'd care if we dropped a nuke on Tehran. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 38] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-06-2015 10:17 AM The fact is, it was estimated it would cost 1M American lives to invade Mainland Japan. They WILL fight to the death. I care about their cities being blown up about as much as I'd care if we dropped a nuke on Tehran. I care about as much about two Jap cities getting incinerated during WW2 as I do THE CORE OF AN APPLE THAT I TOSS IN THE GARBAGE CAN. SOBS had it coming to them...... Obviously, my Native American blood seems to see things in a destroy the enemy kind of way--talk all that goody goody peace shit after they are utterly destroyed and begging for peace! After WW2--we went too damn easy on Japan and on Germany IMHO., ------ AS WE SPENT OVER A TRILLION DOLLARS AND SHOULD HAVE TAKEN MOST OF THAT BACK IN SOME WAY, WITH IT DULY NOTED THAT NO AMOUNT OF MONEY ON EARTH COULD REPAY US FOR THE LIVES WE LOST! TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 39] Author : Gunny Date : 11-06-2015 10:28 AM I care about as much about two Jap cities getting incinerated during WW2 as I do THE CORE OF AN APPLE THAT I TOSS IN THE GARBAGE CAN. SOBS had it coming to them...... Obviously, my Native American blood seems to see things in a destroy the enemy kind of way--talk all that goody goody peace shit after they are utterly destroyed and begging for peace! After WW2--we went too damn easy on Japan and on Germany IMHO., ------ AS WE SPENT OVER A TRILLION DOLLARS AND SHOULD HAVE TAKEN MOST OF THAT BACK IN SOME WAY, WITH IT DULY NOTED THAT NO AMOUNT OF MONEY ON EARTH COULD REPAY US FOR THE LIVES WE LOST! TYR If you ain't playing to win ... don't come play, -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 40] Author : Gunny Date : 11-06-2015 03:56 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXvtDi9a1Oc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Debate Policy - Political Message Board (http://www.debatepolicy.com) at 03-28-2024 07:01 AM.