* * * Debate Policy - Political Message Board Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : I take my stand, you? Started at 09-12-2012 07:32 PM by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Visit at http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?t=36912 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-12-2012 07:32 PM Title : I take my stand, you? Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts. Surely we that place such great value on justice and freedom can see that there can be absolutely no peace with Islam, with those so dedicated to destroying freedom and justice as we know it. Destroying it as our founders intended and created a governing magnificent document to guide. Should we fail to unite and arrive at that conclusion, create a proper plan of action and pursue it with determination we shall meet our destruction. For abandoning our integrity, honor and justice we shall pay a heavy price. One that few will dare admit because such tragedy is always the fate of others and we console ourselves with that old line of comforting thinking. Should we fail to act such tragedy may possibly be a just fate for a peoples that have betrayed the sacrifice of millions that gave us the most precious of blessings: Independence, freedom, Rule of law and Constitution.! Such a combination that was not only unique in the world but has since failed to be duplicated ! Should we abandone common sense, Rule of Law to follow the easier path of appeasement our choice made to avoid confronting our fears and our enemy shall almost certainly bring destruction for having renounced the gift that has been dearly bought with the blood, tears and treasure of countless Americans that have lived and died fighting the true fight. The good fight of justice over injustice , of good over evil and the happiness of having created and passed on a blessing beyond compare to future generations.. Rather than yield to complacency, indifference and shallow lusts of the times it may be wise to learn again how to fall to bended knee and asked for strength of mind , pureness of heart and justice defended by righteous blade and keen intellect! If you have no “blade” sell your costly toys to buy the best money can buy. For what good be such if in maintaining one looses their head? Ask not mercy and gifts from enemies with no honor but instead stand firm defend your life, your family and your country! For life often demands great sacrifice, think not and life will take that and more. The more being that which few can or will dare imagine but life cares not about our fears and failures. It is we that should care more about life! Care enough to stand against those that would murder our parents, enslave our children and exstinguish freedom and justice forever. Islam, shall not subjugate this great nation. Shall not if we face it without fear and with determination birthed from defending that which is good and right about our nation. The nation created to be the guiding light to the world. A Christian nation blessed by God and occupied by those brave enough to spill blood , blood of others as well as their own! -Tyr No link , my composition... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-12-2012 07:38 PM Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts. Surely we that place such great value on justice and freedom can see that there can be absolutely no peace with Islam, with those so dedicated to destroying freedom and justice as we know it. Destroying it as our founders intended and created a governing magnificent document to guide. Should we fail to unite and arrive at that conclusion, create a proper plan of action and pursue it with determination we shall meet our destruction. For abandoning our integrity, honor and justice we shall pay a heavy price. One that few will dare admit because such tragedy is always the fate of others and we console ourselves with that old line of comforting thinking. Should we fail to act such tragedy may possibly be a just fate for a peoples that have betrayed the sacrifice of millions that gave us the most precious of blessings: Independence, freedom, Rule of law and Constitution.! Such a combination that was not only unique in the world but has since failed to be duplicated ! Should we abandone common sense, Rule of Law to follow the easier path of appeasement our choice made to avoid confronting our fears and our enemy shall almost certainly bring destruction for having renounced the gift that has been dearly bought with the blood, tears and treasure of countless Americans that have lived and died fighting the true fight. The good fight of justice over injustice , of good over evil and the happiness of having created and passed on a blessing beyond compare to future generations.. Rather than yield to complacency, indifference and shallow lusts of the times it may be wise to learn again how to fall to bended knee and asked for strength of mind , pureness of heart and justice defended by righteous blade and keen intellect! If you have no “blade” sell your costly toys to buy the best money can buy. For what good be such if in maintaining one looses their head? Ask not mercy and gifts from enemies with no honor but instead stand firm defend your life, your family and your country! For life often demands great sacrifice, think not and life will take that and more. The more being that which few can or will dare imagine but life cares not about our fears and failures. It is we that should care more about life! Care enough to stand against those that would murder our parents, enslave our children and exstinguish freedom and justice forever. Islam, shall not subjugate this great nation. Shall not if we face it without fear and with determination birthed from defending that which is good and right about our nation. The nation created to be the guiding light to the world. A Christian nation blessed by God and occupied by those brave enough to spill blood , blood of others as well as their own! -Tyr No link , my composition... Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : aboutime Date : 09-12-2012 07:41 PM Consider me standing right next to you. I refuse to allow ANYONE. No matter who they claim to be. No matter what superior status they claim to have in life, and despite their claimed higher educational training. I first took my Oath. Just as Obama took an oath, with every present member of Congress. To protect, and defend the United States of America and our Constitution. When I retired from active duty after 30 years in 1995. That oath I took, while raising my hand, and swearing. SO HELP ME GOD, did not retire on that day. I will defend, honor, and obey that Constitution until I take my last breath, and NOBODY, but NOBODY will ever change that. Which reminds me of the words our Democrat, Liberal fellow Americans hate. But still apply now. "You are either with us...as Americans. Or, You are against us. There is no IN BETWEEN." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : aboutime Date : 09-12-2012 07:43 PM Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ? Dilloduck. Show all of us where you saw, or read that suggestion. Then explain why you felt a need to ask such a thing if you are an American. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-12-2012 07:45 PM How about American Muslims ? What's the plan with them ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-12-2012 07:47 PM Dilloduck. Show all of us where you saw, or read that suggestion. Then explain why you felt a need to ask such a thing if you are an American. I didn't see it suggested. I was just wondering if that's the patriotic plan or not. I ask because I have the freedom of speech to do so. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : aboutime Date : 09-12-2012 07:52 PM I didn't see it suggested. I was just wondering if that's the patriotic plan or not. I ask because I have the freedom of speech to do so. Of course you have the freedom of speech to do so. But you make it sound like you'd rather hide behind such a freedom, than explain why, as an American. You would wonder...other than due to lack of comprehension, or even suggest asking such a question. That line above sounds almost like something Obama would say..to avoid actually committing himself to answering honestly. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-12-2012 07:54 PM Of course you have the freedom of speech to do so. But you make it sound like you'd rather hide behind such a freedom, than explain why, as an American. You would wonder...other than due to lack of comprehension, or even suggest asking such a question. That line above sounds almost like something Obama would say..to avoid actually committing himself to answering honestly. Obviously I asked the question because Tyr believes Islam is America's enemy. As good stand up Americans what do we do about American muslims ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : aboutime Date : 09-12-2012 08:02 PM Obviously I asked the question because Tyr believes Islam is America's enemy. As good stand up Americans what do we do about American muslims ? The Islam Tyr is talking about is the BASTARDIZED version of Islam that brought those people from Saudi Arabia to the U.S., and took control of those planes on 911. Too many people, like Obama, and seemingly...you. Seem to anxious to just grant those who hide behind their Religion of Peace here in America, and you allow them to remain quiet, rather than offering their true feelings about the America, and the American people who have given them those Freedoms, Rights, and Liberties by living here. But only enough to appease, or convince people to give them a break. Americans. Even those who are Muslim. Must once and for all DECIDE. Whether they will honor their citizenship as Americans..only when it's easy, or comfortable for them. While praying in their Mosque, and asking for the destruction of the people who so openly welcomed them as citizens. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-12-2012 08:05 PM The Islam Tyr is talking about is the BASTARDIZED version of Islam that brought those people from Saudi Arabia to the U.S., and took control of those planes on 911. Too many people, like Obama, and seemingly...you. Seem to anxious to just grant those who hide behind their Religion of Peace here in America, and you allow them to remain quiet, rather than offering their true feelings about the America, and the American people who have given them those Freedoms, Rights, and Liberties by living here. But only enough to appease, or convince people to give them a break. Americans. Even those who are Muslim. Must once and for all DECIDE. Whether they will honor their citizenship as Americans..only when it's easy, or comfortable for them. While praying in their Mosque, and asking for the destruction of the people who so openly welcomed them as citizens. Are you suggesting that American muslims take an oath of loyalty to America ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : Anton Chigurh Date : 09-12-2012 08:20 PM How about some air between paragraphs? It looks to the eye like a long, run-on paragraph and turns the reader away from tackling it. I didn't read it for that reason. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : Little-Acorn Date : 09-12-2012 08:25 PM Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ? Why do you want to outlaw Islam in America? No one has suggested doing that, except you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : gabosaurus Date : 09-12-2012 08:27 PM I didn't see it suggested. I was just wondering if that's the patriotic plan or not. I ask because I have the freedom of speech to do so. You can't ask people who are not patriots to come up with a patriotic plan. You can't ask people with no sense of sanity to come up with a sane response. You can't ask people who favor violent revenge to come up with a plan to answer violence. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-12-2012 08:29 PM You can't ask people who are not patriots to come up with a patriotic plan. You can't ask people with no sense of sanity to come up with a sane response. You can't ask people who favor violent revenge to come up with a plan to answer violence. Can too---I just did it. :coffee: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : gabosaurus Date : 09-12-2012 08:32 PM Sounds like a whole lot of chakalaka to me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-12-2012 08:32 PM Why do you want to outlaw Islam in America? No one has suggested doing that, except you. Even you ?----I NEVER SUGGESTED OUTLAWING IT. I am asking what we do with American muslims. READ for God's sake. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-12-2012 08:54 PM How about some air between paragraphs? It looks to the eye like a long, run-on paragraph and turns the reader away from tackling it. I didn't read it for that reason. Yep my teacher used to often ask me, "Robert why do you insist on those long long run on paragraphs"? To which I always replied, "I like 'em teach, keeps the riftraft away."!;) Nice to see that its still working ..;)--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : gabosaurus Date : 09-12-2012 09:10 PM At least now we know why you dropped out of school. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-12-2012 09:15 PM At least now we know why you dropped out of school. Yep and why you stayed is still a big mystery. When you get enough confidence to stop announcing how smart you foolishly believe that you are we will all be better off. Although Im not going to be holding my breath waiting on that one.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : Anton Chigurh Date : 09-12-2012 09:27 PM Yep my teacher used to often ask me, "Robert why do you insist on those long long run on paragraphs"? To which I always replied, "I like 'em teach, keeps the riftraft away."!;) Nice to see that its still working ..;)--TyrIt's "riff-raff." You forget this is a marketplace, and we're your customers. Supply and demand. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : jafar00 Date : 09-12-2012 09:29 PM Tyr. I think you are seeing something that isn't there. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-12-2012 09:39 PM Tyr. I think you are seeing something that isn't there. So Islam's goal is not to have Allah worshipped as the only God and to be the only religion in the entire world? If that is so then please list for me here and now what other religions it will tolerate.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-12-2012 09:41 PM It's "riff-raff." You forget this is a marketplace, and we're your customers. Supply and demand. Well hoss, how would you know? You did not read it , remember? Your Crystal ball doing overtime or what?-;)--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : Missileman Date : 09-12-2012 09:59 PM So Islam's goal is not to have Allah worshipped as the only God and to be the only religion in the entire world? If that is so then please list for me here and now what other religions it will tolerate.-Tyr You aren't seriously thinking that's not the goal of Christianity are you? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-12-2012 10:55 PM You aren't seriously thinking that's not the goal of Christianity are you? Sure it is! The big difference is that Christians are no longer are using the sword to spread their message. Islam is and will continue to do so because it has not had a Reformation. And judging from their actions I do not see one coming anytime soon. Islam is a combination of political, religious and militant philosophy. Christians are not beheading, stoning or cutting off feet or hands of thieves etc. Neither are they waging a worldwide campaign of terror to further their goals , Islam is.. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : jafar00 Date : 09-12-2012 11:44 PM So Islam's goal is not to have Allah worshipped as the only God and to be the only religion in the entire world? If that is so then please list for me here and now what other religions it will tolerate.-Tyr Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error (2:256) Say: Oh Disbelievers I worship not that which ye worship Nor worship ye that I worship And I shall not worship that which ye worship Nor will ye worship that which I worship Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion (Surat Al Kaafiroon) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : Thunderknuckles Date : 09-13-2012 12:34 AM Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error (2:256) Say: Oh Disbelievers I worship not that which ye worship Nor worship ye that I worship And I shall not worship that which ye worship Nor will ye worship that which I worship Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion (Surat Al Kaafiroon) The catch? If said disbelievers insult your religion, you're dead. As for American Muslims, the Constitution is clear. Look no further. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : taft2012 Date : 09-13-2012 06:25 AM How about American Muslims ? What's the plan with them ? I imagine the same as was done with American communists. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : tailfins Date : 09-13-2012 06:36 AM You can't ask people who are not patriots to come up with a patriotic plan. You can't ask people with no sense of sanity to come up with a sane response. You can't ask people who favor violent revenge to come up with a plan to answer violence. But you can ask for and demand competence. The current state of affairs is unacceptable both in terms that Americans are still being murdered and the failed measures are ones that reduce freedom, namely the TSA. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Author : taft2012 Date : 09-13-2012 06:39 AM I am asking what we do with American muslims. READ for God's sake. What do you think should be done with American muslims? Here's a question; Is a Muslim in America safer than a Christian or Jew in any Islamic theocracy? Yes or no? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 31] Author : jafar00 Date : 09-13-2012 06:50 AM What do you think should be done with American muslims? Here's a question; Is a Muslim in America safer than a Christian or Jew in any Islamic theocracy? Yes or no? A Muslim was safer under Mubarak too. However both Egyptians and American Muslims had secret police spying on them all the time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 32] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 07:41 AM Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ? Actually I suggest we face the threat and stop it before it grows too huge to stop. Denying that it exists does nothing but sanction it as a legitimate agenda that is perfectly fine to be advanced. The American citizens must decide how to stop it within the Rule of Law.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 33] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 07:46 AM A Muslim was safer under Mubarak too. However both Egyptians and American Muslims had secret police spying on them all the time. We have the Rule of Law here . We have a Constitution which stands in direct opposition to Sharia law. Either Islam gives or the Constitution does!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 34] Author : Gaffer Date : 09-13-2012 07:52 AM A Muslim was safer under Mubarak too. However both Egyptians and American Muslims had secret police spying on them all the time. Another misconception you have of America. We don't have secret police. Many on the left would love it if we did, but they do not exist here. We have informants and court ordered surveillance. But no secret police. Our communist inspired lefties would love to see such a thing, as long as it's used against conservatives. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 35] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 08:29 AM Another misconception you have of America. We don't have secret police. Many on the left would love it if we did, but they do not exist here. We have informants and court ordered surveillance. But no secret police. Our communist inspired lefties would love to see such a thing, as long as it's used against conservatives. Perhaps Jafar was thinking of that special civilian force obama stated that he wanted. The one just as well equipped and manned as our military. Remember back when obama mentioned wanting his own Gestapo? And the huge outcry put that on a backburner. Elect him again and watch a couple hundred billion dollars get "borrowed" to make the messiah's dream come true!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 36] Author : taft2012 Date : 09-13-2012 08:45 AM A Muslim was safer under Mubarak too. However both Egyptians and American Muslims had secret police spying on them all the time. A rather simple "yes or no" question goes completely unaddressed. Why am I not surprised? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 37] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 09:26 AM This is America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And will remain so as long as we stand against such insane intolerance as is enforced by Islamic terrorism. Muhammed was a murderer and a lying child molester. Truth shall stand..-Tyr http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/book_illos/MuhammadMassacre.jpg&imgrefurl=http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/book_illos/&h=500&w=358&sz=64&tbnid=0wmXq5kodYOpCM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=78&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmuhammad%2Bpicture%2Bdrawn%2Bimage%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=muhammad+picture+drawn+image&usg=__STCwoj1L-0TDMg1miOIKgZZzSgg=&docid=3PqNPHbSQzNlJM&sa=X&ei=Q-xRUPbQFsKs2gWwioDQCQ&ved=0CFsQ9QEwDA&dur=4750 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day Wiki Loves Monuments: Historic sites, photos, and prizes!Everybody Draw Mohammed DayFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search Cartoon, "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!"Everybody Draw Mohammed Day was an event held on May 20, 2010 in support of free speech and freedom of artistic expression of those threatened with violence for drawing representations of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad. It began as a protest against censorship of an American television show, South Park, "201" by its distributor, Comedy Central, in response to death threats against some of those responsible for two segments broadcast in April 2010. Observance of the day began with a drawing posted on the Internet on April 20, 2010, accompanied by text suggesting that "everybody" create a drawing representing Muhammad, on May 20, 2010, as a protest against efforts to limit freedom of speech. U.S. cartoonist Molly Norris of Seattle, Washington, created the artwork in reaction to Internet death threats that had been made against cartoonists Trey Parker and Matt Stone for depicting Muhammad in an episode of South Park. Depictions of Muhammad are explicitly forbidden by a few hadiths (sayings of and about Muhammad), though not by the Qur'an.[citation needed] Postings on RevolutionMuslim.com (under the pen name Abu Talha al-Amrikee; later identified as Zachary Adam Chesser) had said that Parker and Stone could wind up like Theo van Gogh, a Dutch filmmaker who was stabbed and shot to death.[1] Norris said that if people draw pictures of Muhammad, Islamic terrorists would not be able to murder them all, and threats to do so would become unrealistic. Within a week, Norris' idea became popular on Facebook, was supported by numerous bloggers, and generated coverage on the blog websites of major U.S. newspapers. As the publicity mounted, Norris and the man who created the first Facebook page promoting the May 20 event disassociated themselves from it. Nonetheless, planning for the protest continued with others "taking up the cause".[2] Facebook had an "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" page, which grew to over 100,000 participants (101,870 members by May 20). A protest page on Facebook against the initiative, named "Against ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day'", attracted slightly more supporters (106,000 by May 20).[3] Subsequently, Facebook was temporarily blocked by Pakistan; the ban was lifted after Facebook agreed to block the page for users in India and Pakistan. In the media, Everybody Draw Mohammed Day attracted both support from commentators who felt that the campaign represented important issues of freedom of speech, and the need to stand up for this freedom, as well as criticism from other commentators who found the initiative crass, juvenile, and needlessly offensive. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 38] Author : logroller Date : 09-13-2012 10:51 AM Another misconception you have of America. We don't have secret police. Many on the left would love it if we did, but they do not exist here. We have informants and court ordered surveillance. But no secret police. Our communist inspired lefties would love to see such a thing, as long as it's used against conservatives. I believe it is you who have the wrong idea...as he was talking about Egypt, not America. Furthermore, Is the patriot act court ordered? Perhaps Jafar was thinking of that special civilian force obama stated that he wanted. The one just as well equipped and manned as our military. Remember back when obama mentioned wanting his own Gestapo? And the huge outcry put that on a backburner. Elect him again and watch a couple hundred billion dollars get "borrowed" to make the messiah's dream come true!-Tyr Oh but if he gets a Gestapo, think of how much easier it will to round up all the Muslims.-- you'd like that:thumb: A rather simple "yes or no" question goes completely unaddressed. Why am I not surprised? How is he to speak on the safety of America, he's not American. Are you American; why don't you answer your own question? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 39] Author : tailfins Date : 09-13-2012 10:55 AM This is America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And will remain so as long as we stand against such insane intolerance as is enforced by Islamic terrorism. We do need to properly identify the enemy. Imagine if we had attacked China in 1941 because the US was attacked by Orientals. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 40] Author : logroller Date : 09-13-2012 12:57 PM We do need to properly identify the enemy. Imagine if we had attacked China in 1941 because the US was attacked by Orientals. How very occidental. Do you call blacks coloreds?:coffee: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 41] Author : tailfins Date : 09-13-2012 01:03 PM How very occidental. Do you call blacks coloreds?:coffee: I was imitating the verbiage of those who might have made such a decision to attack China in 1941. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 42] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 02:27 PM What do you think should be done with American muslims? Here's a question; Is a Muslim in America safer than a Christian or Jew in any Islamic theocracy? Yes or no? Answer is yes , muslims here are safer. America is not safer for having them and their isolated gated compounds/neighborhoods. Where often even the local cops do not enter!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 43] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-13-2012 03:18 PM Actually I suggest we face the threat and stop it before it grows too huge to stop. Denying that it exists does nothing but sanction it as a legitimate agenda that is perfectly fine to be advanced. The American citizens must decide how to stop it within the Rule of Law.-Tyr Stop Islam within the rule of law ? Good luck. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 44] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 03:57 PM Stop Islam within the rule of law ? Good luck. Not quite sure what you're getting at here, Dilloduck. Are you saying that the only way to meaningfully combat Islam is lawlessly ? ... and actually, that's a point in itself. Over here in the UK, to even strongly CRITICISE Islam, within earshot of a Muslim and in a public place, can lead to said 'offended' Muslim being empowered to expect our authorities to act against the 'offender'. Think about that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 45] Author : aboutime Date : 09-13-2012 04:38 PM Answer is yes , muslims here are safer. America is not safer for having them and their isolated gated compounds/neighborhoods. Where often even the local cops do not enter!-Tyr Tyr. OBL taught them well. And many of them who seem to happily live here in the USA, remain quiet, and unnoticed. Always obeying the laws. Smiling, and pretending to hate Terrorists, and Terrorism...just enough to get a pass, and listen to Obama apologize often, in order to NOT OFFEND, or UPSET those OBL taught...to become the real ENEMY WITHIN. OBL decided back in the 1990's that he would slowly destroy America. First by tearing down the Economy. And in 1993, the first attack on the WTC took place, and CLINTON did nothing. OBL then decided his plan to destroy American business, and the Economy had failed. So September 11th, became his second target date to take down the Terrible Americans. OBL engineered just enough TERROR in Americans on that day to give them the opportunity to further DESTROY OURSELVES, one threat to our Constitution at a time, and to our Economy...and look at us now. All with the Wonderful, Appeasement, and Apologies of Obama. THE BEST PUPPET OBL could have asked for, and gotten. Anyone have any questions about WHY America is about to go OVER THAT CLIFF NOW? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 46] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 04:56 PM A most interesting thread ! Thanks to Tyr for it .. I've just now read it in greater detail. From my own experience in the UK, it seems perfectly obvious that Islamists have three distinct ways of operating in order to achieve a form of dominance in a Society. The first is through terrorism .. and not much needs to be said on that score. 9/11, the UK's '7/7' attack in London, the attack at the Atosha station in Spain .. and many more attacks besides, in various parts of the world. Through murder and mayhem, they hope that through acts of terrorism, the will to fight back can be sapped .. and, I'm sorry to say, this sometimes is successful. The second, pivotal, means (aided and abetted by the Left) is through social incursion. Immigrants arrive, equipped with their cultural and religious identities, they take root in specific areas, form their own communities, all of which pushes out what was in the area they occupy beforehand. Demands are made, all of which serve the requirements of the invading Islamic culture and traditions. Integration is a non-starter ... always, those communities expect OTHERS to bend to THEM. The third is through exploitation of indigenous freedoms. Demands are made to insist that concession after concession is made to them. Pressure groups form, and always citing either the race card, or the 'bigotry' card, they insist that anyone opposing them must be doing so through unacceptably antisocial means. This is particularly where the Left comes in ... Left-wingers insist that to speak out against them is evidence of racism or bigotry, and pressure groups invariably win out. Laws are passed, such as 'hatespeech' legislation, making strong criticism actionable in law. But more, the indigenous population becomes conditioned to revile anyone not conforming to these socially-conditioned imperatives. Terrorism is a very 'blunt instrument' for Muslims to use ... though also a much-favoured one, as we've all seen. Social incursion is less blunt, dealing in large measure with a form of physical invasion. Areas are occupied and, in essence, 'terraformed' to become Muslim in 'nature'. Exploitative incursion is the most insidious. Through it, social conditioning is brought to bear, aided, as I've said, by the Left. People are pressured into believing that just THINKING of forms of opposition is wrong .. bigoted, racist, intolerant generally. So, belief-systems grow which always, but ALWAYS, lead to an ongoing process of evolving deference .. to Islam and to those practising it. Folks, understand .. I am not theorising, just describing an ongoing reality in my own society !! Common throughout all of this is the sheer invasiveness of Islam. Islam, in my experience, has no interest in compromise that doesn't end up in achieving considerable advantage to ITS purposes, and more often than not compromise isn't even a factor AT ALL. No, Islam spreads and dominates .. and that's the point of Islam in a nutshell .. one of DOMINION. Now .. how is that remotely compatible with the preservation of freedoms ? Answer .. IT ISN'T, not if those 'freedoms' are freedoms to defy Islam. The conflict of Sharia with Western values is a case in point. In the UK, as a guiding legal principle, UK law should always prevail. If a Sharia directive can be arrived at and no UK law is broken, then 'fair enough' in our system ... BUT ... legally, no Sharia law 'court' can set itself up in defiance against UK law. Sounds fine, doesn't it ... BUT for the process I've described already. Our laws are the product of values reflected by the population, HOWEVER, if those values change, then we can expect our laws to reflect that. Hatespeech legislation is a case in point. So .. if our values bend over time, if in the name of 'tolerance' we find we 'want' to accept other values and defer to them (led by the nose into this by Lefties ..) .. then the law, in the fullness of time, can undergo a form of erosion, where other laws supersede them. As a consequence of ALL this, it's evident that we've been seen in the UK to be fair game for incursion. We get remarkably little incidence of terrorism here, I think because the 'sneakier' methods work here so very well !! So, goodbye churches, and hello, monolithic Mosque structures. And be careful what you say !!!! But, America has an advantage we fail to have. You have a Constitution which can act as a barrier to certain incursions, it seems to me. So, the question for me is, just how bulletproof does this make America by comparison ? I've heard that Obama is known for acting unconstitutionally when it suits him to .. surely a dangerous precedent. Should your society allow it ? Does Obama cite reasonings to justify himself, reasonings which persuade others to adopt societal values which can 'catch on' and seem reasonable ? Folks, I'm somewhat out of my depth in trying to judge this either way, but what I'm saying is, IF this is happening, the dangers inherent in that process are grave. So, surely, Americans must be prepared to fight if needs be, for what is theirs by right .. by birthright. Tyr's spirit is commendable, but perhaps more importantly, is INSIGHTFUL ... because you ARE in a war against those utterly determined to overthrow your values. They'll use whatever methodology works, be it the gun or bomb, acts of savagery, or of deployed propaganda crafted to fight your very thought processes and change them to THEIR preferences. Therein, if they succeed, lies the road to the death of freedom. DO YOU WANT THAT ? YES OR NO ? Because if 'no', then my suggestion is that you take the utmost notice of what Tyr had to tell you. And .. if that isn't enough for you, then cast your eyes and ears eastwards, to learn what's happening on my side of the Pond. To see what COULD happen .. if you allow it to. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 47] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-13-2012 05:21 PM Not quite sure what you're getting at here, Dilloduck. Are you saying that the only way to meaningfully combat Islam is lawlessly ? ... and actually, that's a point in itself. Over here in the UK, to even strongly CRITICISE Islam, within earshot of a Muslim and in a public place, can lead to said 'offended' Muslim being empowered to expect our authorities to act against the 'offender'. Think about that. That's your problem. In America the right to worship as you please and freedom of speech is protected -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 48] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 05:30 PM Title : Koran quotes ... I looked for a link like this one as evidence of the 'non-peacefulness' of Islam, since there are those on this forum who insist that Islam is entirely peaceful, and no basis for terrorism !! Well, my link shows the opposite .. violence is clearly encouraged as a means to an end in Islam. More, it's actually mandated .. specifically from Koranic imperatives recorded as such, as central to what it is. And here's another point .. links such as the one I'm posting here show just how uncompromisingly Islam is focused on seeing to it that it predominates - how intolerant it is of anything outside of it. So to the link ... http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Qur%27an Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. Qur’an:9:5 The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed. Qur’an:9:112 Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission. Qur’an:9:29 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah. Qur’an:8:39 So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world). Qur’an:8:39 Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them. Qur’an:9:14 Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place. Qur’an:9:38 Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you. Qur’an:9:123 The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause. Qur’an:9:88 O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding. Qur’an:8:65 The revelation of the scripture is from Allah, The Mighty, The Wise. Qur’an:45:2 And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you. Qur’an:16:15 Have you not seen how God makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it. Qur’an: 24:43 Quran as political charter The Quran is a political document used by many Islamic nations as a constitution; Libya's constitution (Article 2 of the one adopted in 1977), Saudi Arabia's Basic Law, Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, etc. make this clear. Ergo, I add [[Category:Politics]] to this page.--Inesculent 11:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 49] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-13-2012 05:36 PM I looked for a link like this one as evidence of the 'non-peacefulness' of Islam, since there are those on this forum who insist that Islam is entirely peaceful, and no basis for terrorism !! Well, my link shows the opposite .. violence is clearly encouraged as a means to an end in Islam. More, it's actually mandated .. specifically from Koranic imperatives recorded as such, as central to what it is. And here's another point .. links such as the one I'm posting here show just how uncompromisingly Islam is focused on seeing to it that it predominates - how intolerant it is of anything outside of it. So to the link ... http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Qur%27an We've been through all this with people who cherry pick Bible verses to prove how violent the Bible is. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 50] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 05:37 PM That's your problem. In America the right to worship as you please and freedom of speech is protected Oh, I'm sure it is. And I accept your point as a fair one, so far as it goes. But consider what I posted after answering you previously ... have I not made the point, in my own way, that you face an adversary that uses those freedoms to further a process of incursion ? Freedoms such as those you obviously adhere to are perfectly fine in themselves. But .. and as I've argued in the past .. with freedom, comes responsibility. It can't just be taken for granted, and at times it needs to be defended. What I'm saying is this. Be alert to those who'd subvert those freedoms for their own ends. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 51] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-13-2012 05:40 PM Oh, I'm sure it is. And I accept your point as a fair one, so far as it goes. But consider what I posted after answering you previously ... have I not made the point, in my own way, that you face an adversary that uses those freedoms to further a process of incursion ? Freedoms such as those you obviously adhere to are perfectly fine in themselves. But .. and as I've argued in the past .. with freedom, comes responsibility. It can't just be taken for granted, and at times it needs to be defended. What I'm saying is this. Be alert to those who'd subvert those freedoms for their own ends. We are---doesn't mean we can stop it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 52] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 05:40 PM We've been through all this with people who cherry pick Bible verses to prove how violent the Bible is. But the quotes are unequivocal. They're not exactly mistakeable for anything else other than proof of a thoroughly aggressive, actually violent religion that'll stop at nothing to predominate !! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 53] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 05:42 PM Oh but if he gets a Gestapo, think of how much easier it will to round up all the Muslims.-- you'd like that:thumb: OK, SHOW ME ANY QUOTE IN WHICH I INDICATED THAT ROUNDING THEM UP WAS A PLAN. I CAN WAIT.--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 54] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 05:42 PM We are---doesn't mean we can stop it. What are you saying, then ? That surrender to incursions is mandated ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 55] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-13-2012 05:43 PM But the quotes are unequivocal. They're not exactly mistakeable for anything else other than proof of a thoroughly aggressive, actually violent religion that'll stop at nothing to predominate !! So are the Biblical quotes. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 56] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 05:48 PM We've been through all this with people who cherry pick Bible verses to prove how violent the Bible is. Truly a faulty comparison because the bible has a New Testament that teaches violence is not the way. Christians are clearly taught that violence is not the way. Islam has no such reformation. Islam teaches violence is a method commanded by Allah. You have seen the verses ,Drummond and others have posted them often enough. Why do you continue to ignore such clear verses sanctining violence from the Koran?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 57] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 05:50 PM So are the Biblical quotes. Interesting. You're suggesting equivalence ? OK, try this one as an example .. the first listed ... Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war. Cite me a quote from the Bible that gives the same command to Christians. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 58] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-13-2012 05:50 PM Truly a faulty comparison because the bible has a New Testament that teaches violence is not the way. Christians are clearly taught that violence is not the way. Islam has no such reformation. Islam teaches violence is a method commanded by Allah. You have seen the verses ,Drummond and others have posted them often enough. Why do you continue to ignore such clear verses sanctining violence from the Koran?-Tyr Your examples of scripture are valid yet mine aren't ? :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 59] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-13-2012 05:52 PM Interesting. You're suggesting equivalence ? OK, try this one as an example .. the first listed ... Cite me a quote from the Bible that gives the same command to Christians. I'm suggesting violence. Stoning people etc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 60] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 05:55 PM A most interesting thread ! Thanks to Tyr for it .. I've just now read it in greater detail. From my own experience in the UK, it seems perfectly obvious that Islamists have three distinct ways of operating in order to achieve a form of dominance in a Society. The first is through terrorism .. and not much needs to be said on that score. 9/11, the UK's '7/7' attack in London, the attack at the Atosha station in Spain .. and many more attacks besides, in various parts of the world. Through murder and mayhem, they hope that through acts of terrorism, the will to fight back can be sapped .. and, I'm sorry to say, this sometimes is successful. The second, pivotal, means (aided and abetted by the Left) is through social incursion. Immigrants arrive, equipped with their cultural and religious identities, they take root in specific areas, form their own communities, all of which pushes out what was in the area they occupy beforehand. Demands are made, all of which serve the requirements of the invading Islamic culture and traditions. Integration is a non-starter ... always, those communities expect OTHERS to bend to THEM. The third is through exploitation of indigenous freedoms. Demands are made to insist that concession after concession is made to them. Pressure groups form, and always citing either the race card, or the 'bigotry' card, they insist that anyone opposing them must be doing so through unacceptably antisocial means. This is particularly where the Left comes in ... Left-wingers insist that to speak out against them is evidence of racism or bigotry, and pressure groups invariably win out. Laws are passed, such as 'hatespeech' legislation, making strong criticism actionable in law. But more, the indigenous population becomes conditioned to revile anyone not conforming to these socially-conditioned imperatives. Terrorism is a very 'blunt instrument' for Muslims to use ... though also a much-favoured one, as we've all seen. Social incursion is less blunt, dealing in large measure with a form of physical invasion. Areas are occupied and, in essence, 'terraformed' to become Muslim in 'nature'. Exploitative incursion is the most insidious. Through it, social conditioning is brought to bear, aided, as I've said, by the Left. People are pressured into believing that just THINKING of forms of opposition is wrong .. bigoted, racist, intolerant generally. So, belief-systems grow which always, but ALWAYS, lead to an ongoing process of evolving deference .. to Islam and to those practising it. Folks, understand .. I am not theorising, just describing an ongoing reality in my own society !! Common throughout all of this is the sheer invasiveness of Islam. Islam, in my experience, has no interest in compromise that doesn't end up in achieving considerable advantage to ITS purposes, and more often than not compromise isn't even a factor AT ALL. No, Islam spreads and dominates .. and that's the point of Islam in a nutshell .. one of DOMINION. Now .. how is that remotely compatible with the preservation of freedoms ? Answer .. IT ISN'T, not if those 'freedoms' are freedoms to defy Islam. The conflict of Sharia with Western values is a case in point. In the UK, as a guiding legal principle, UK law should always prevail. If a Sharia directive can be arrived at and no UK law is broken, then 'fair enough' in our system ... BUT ... legally, no Sharia law 'court' can set itself up in defiance against UK law. Sounds fine, doesn't it ... BUT for the process I've described already. Our laws are the product of values reflected by the population, HOWEVER, if those values change, then we can expect our laws to reflect that. Hatespeech legislation is a case in point. So .. if our values bend over time, if in the name of 'tolerance' we find we 'want' to accept other values and defer to them (led by the nose into this by Lefties ..) .. then the law, in the fullness of time, can undergo a form of erosion, where other laws supersede them. As a consequence of ALL this, it's evident that we've been seen in the UK to be fair game for incursion. We get remarkably little incidence of terrorism here, I think because the 'sneakier' methods work here so very well !! So, goodbye churches, and hello, monolithic Mosque structures. And be careful what you say !!!! But, America has an advantage we fail to have. You have a Constitution which can act as a barrier to certain incursions, it seems to me. So, the question for me is, just how bulletproof does this make America by comparison ? I've heard that Obama is known for acting unconstitutionally when it suits him to .. surely a dangerous precedent. Should your society allow it ? Does Obama cite reasonings to justify himself, reasonings which persuade others to adopt societal values which can 'catch on' and seem reasonable ? Folks, I'm somewhat out of my depth in trying to judge this either way, but what I'm saying is, IF this is happening, the dangers inherent in that process are grave. So, surely, Americans must be prepared to fight if needs be, for what is theirs by right .. by birthright. Tyr's spirit is commendable, but perhaps more importantly, is INSIGHTFUL ... because you ARE in a war against those utterly determined to overthrow your values. They'll use whatever methodology works, be it the gun or bomb, acts of savagery, or of deployed propaganda crafted to fight your very thought processes and change them to THEIR preferences. Therein, if they succeed, lies the road to the death of freedom. DO YOU WANT THAT ? YES OR NO ? Because if 'no', then my suggestion is that you take the utmost notice of what Tyr had to tell you. And .. if that isn't enough for you, then cast your eyes and ears eastwards, to learn what's happening on my side of the Pond. To see what COULD happen .. if you allow it to. Freaking --A.. --:beer:---:beer: Outstanding presentation my friend! I've stated many times here ,want to see what they have in store for us just look to what they have done to Britain with the help of their leftist allies there. We see the same alliance here in its early stages. If we refuse to act firmly and with courageous resolve they will win here even if it takes 40, 60 or 80 years. They are big believers in a slow death by a thousand small cuts, they use that philosophy in other ways as well.--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 61] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 05:56 PM Truly a faulty comparison because the bible has a New Testament that teaches violence is not the way. Christians are clearly taught that violence is not the way. Islam has no such reformation. Islam teaches violence is a method commanded by Allah. You have seen the verses ,Drummond and others have posted them often enough. Why do you continue to ignore such clear verses sanctining violence from the Koran?-Tyr Thanks, Tyr, this is what I was driving at in the post I've aimed at Dilloduck. Islam is a savage, brutal religion, the antithesis of Christianity. Toleration of systematic INtolerance isn't a reasonable proposition. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 62] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-13-2012 05:58 PM Thanks, Tyr, this is what I was driving at in the post I've aimed at Dilloduck. Islam is a savage, brutal religion, the antithesis of Christianity. Toleration of systematic INtolerance isn't a reasonable proposition. Jews don't have a new testament and the Christian new testament does not negate the old testament. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 63] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 06:01 PM Your examples of scripture are valid yet mine aren't ? :laugh2: Do you understand what the New Testament is at all? Or are you pretending this misunderstanding? The New Testament in the bible teaches love your enemies and live your life as did Jesus. Jesus killed nobody and made war on nobody, he healed the sick and gave of himself. He gave his life to redeem us of our sins, he did not condone stoning , beheading or harming anybody.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 64] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 06:02 PM Freaking --A.. --:beer:---:beer: Outstanding presentation my friend! I've stated many times here ,want to see what they have in store for us just look to what they have done to Britain with the help of their leftist allies there. We see the same alliance here in its early stages. If we refuse to act firmly and with courageous resolve they will win here even if it takes 40, 60 or 80 years. They are big believers in a slow death by a thousand small cuts, they use that philosophy in other ways as well.--Tyr :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: .. and many thanks, Tyr. :beer: Your post puts it perfectly .. I've no need to comment further in my answer ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 65] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-13-2012 06:04 PM Do you understand what the New Testament is at all? Or are you pretending this misunderstanding? The New Testament in the bible teaches love your enemies and live your life as did Jesus. Jesus killed nobody and made war on nobody, he healed the sick and gave of himself. He gave his life to redeem us of our sins, he did not condone stoning , beheading or harming anybody.-Tyr I'm fully aware of the new testament. Jews don't have one and Jesus plainly said that the new law does NOT replace the old law. You're the one who has some reading to do. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 66] Author : logroller Date : 09-13-2012 06:13 PM OK, SHOW ME ANY QUOTE IN WHICH I INDICATED THAT ROUNDING THEM UP WAS A PLAN. I CAN WAIT.--Tyr Show me where I said you said that..I can wait. I Could quote you saying all of Islam is the problem, that they threaten our very way life at home and abroad, that there's no peacful solution to the problem, That they're vermin, along with calls to use weapons of mass destruction against their holy sites...it doesn't take a historian to see the patterned logic of genocide Tyr. Besides, Obama didn't say anything about wanting a "Gestapo", Maine governor Paul Lepage said that of the IRS...but don't let factual accuracy abridge your prejudice and hate. :cool: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 67] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 06:15 PM I'm fully aware of the new testament. Jews don't have one and Jesus plainly said that the new law does NOT replace the old law. You're the one who has some reading to do. Do I get from this that you'd sum up Jesus as follows:- 'Hello, I'm Jesus. Thought you'd like to know that I'm here for no particular reason, everything's peachy, I'm just here for a bit of a visit, don't mind me, I've nothing to say, oh, and by the way, who fancies some spare fish ?' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 68] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-13-2012 06:16 PM Do I get from this that you'd sum up Jesus as follows:- 'Hello, I'm Jesus. Thought you'd like to know that I'm here for no particular reason, everything's peachy, I'm just here for a bit of a visit, don't mind me, I've nothing to say, oh, and by the way, who fancies some spare fish ?' That's it exactly ! I knew you'd understand -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 69] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 06:18 PM I'm fully aware of the new testament. Jews don't have one and Jesus plainly said that the new law does NOT replace the old law. You're the one who has some reading to do. I do believe you are the first true contrarian I've met that never gets tired of pretending to have not understood a single word of the replies given back. The subject of this thread is not the bible. Its Islam, Sharia law and our nation's survival. Want to discuss the bible new and old testament start a thread amigo. Otherwise I suggest you cite what you disagree with in my original post the subject of this thread or Drummund's brilliant presentation that is more than worthy of being debated. Perhaps you agree or disagree with posts made here by others. Go for it . Im done here with this bible discussion.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 70] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-13-2012 06:25 PM I do believe you are the first true contrarian I've met that never gets tired of pretending to have not understood a single word of the replies given back. The subject of this thread is not the bible. Its Islam, Sharia law and our nation's survival. Want to discuss the bible new and old testament start a thread amigo. Otherwise I suggest you cite what you disagree with in my original post the subject of this thread or Drummund's brilliant presentation that is more than worthy of being debated. Perhaps you agree or disagree with posts made here by others. Go for it . Im done here with this bible discussion.-Tyr I already have---several times. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 71] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 06:26 PM Show me where I said you said that..I can wait. I Could quote you saying all of Islam is the problem, that they threaten our very way life at home and abroad, that there's no peacful solution to the problem, That they're vermin, along with calls to use weapons of mass destruction against their holy sites...it doesn't take a historian to see the patterned logic of genocide Tyr. Besides, Obama didn't say anything about wanting a "Gestapo", Maine governor Paul Lepage said that of the IRS...but don't let factual accuracy abridge your prejudice and hate. :cool: ok here. Originally Posted by logroller Oh but if he gets a Gestapo, think of how much easier it will to round up all the Muslims.-- you'd like that OK, SHOW ME ANY QUOTE IN WHICH I INDICATED THAT ROUNDING THEM UP WAS A PLAN. I CAN WAIT.--Tyr Short term memory loss a real biatch eh? You brought up (rounding them up) not me , then you say that I'd like that .. What does that mean exactly? So I asked for you show me where I ever indicated that they should be rounded up. You have not. fail, thanks for playing..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 72] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 06:26 PM That's it exactly ! I knew you'd understand But that's the point. I don't. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 73] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 06:31 PM I'm with Tyr. This thread, Dilloduck, is meant to consider Islam and what follows from it, not become some increasingly convoluted Christian Bible study. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 74] Author : logroller Date : 09-13-2012 06:44 PM Truly a faulty comparison because the bible has a New Testament that teaches violence is not the way. Christians are clearly taught that violence is not the way. Islam has no such reformation. Islam teaches violence is a method commanded by Allah. You have seen the verses ,Drummond and others have posted them often enough. Why do you continue to ignore such clear verses sanctining violence from the Koran?-Tyr You advocate violence...not very Christian of you. But you make a good point; as we're a christian nation, why don't we let the old testament followers and quranic followers settle their own disputes in their own manner abroad. I thought manifest destiny was over; why if we are beacon of freedom and good will do we police the world and sell arms to nations prone to violence? It's made us wealthier, but not safer or more free. If our politics violate our Christian beliefs, perhaps we need to reevaluate our policy? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 75] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 06:55 PM From my own experience in the UK, it seems perfectly obvious that Islamists have three distinct ways of operating in order to achieve a form of dominance in a Society. The first is through terrorism .. and not much needs to be said on that score. 9/11, the UK's '7/7' attack in London, the attack at the Atosha station in Spain .. and many more attacks besides, in various parts of the world. Through murder and mayhem, they hope that through acts of terrorism, the will to fight back can be sapped .. and, I'm sorry to say, this sometimes is successful. The second, pivotal, means (aided and abetted by the Left) is through social incursion. Immigrants arrive, equipped with their cultural and religious identities, they take root in specific areas, form their own communities, all of which pushes out what was in the area they occupy beforehand. Demands are made, all of which serve the requirements of the invading Islamic culture and traditions. Integration is a non-starter ... always, those communities expect OTHERS to bend to THEM. The third is through exploitation of indigenous freedoms. Demands are made to insist that concession after concession is made to them. Pressure groups form, and always citing either the race card, or the 'bigotry' card, they insist that anyone opposing them must be doing so through unacceptably antisocial means. This is particularly where the Left comes in ... Left-wingers insist that to speak out against them is evidence of racism or bigotry, and pressure groups invariably win out. Laws are passed, such as 'hatespeech' legislation, making strong criticism actionable in law. But more, the indigenous population becomes conditioned to revile anyone not conforming to these socially-conditioned imperatives. This was very insightful information and very helpful indeed in revealing what has been done to Britain. A tragic situation over there where they had to establish a defence league, English Defence League its called right, to try to protect their way of life from being destroyed by the islamists!? Question is, is it too little too late?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 76] Author : logroller Date : 09-13-2012 06:56 PM ok here. Short term memory loss a real biatch eh? You brought up (rounding them up) not me , then you say that I'd like that .. What does that mean exactly? So I asked for you show me where I ever indicated that they should be rounded up. You have not. fail, thanks for playing..-Tyr Do you deny you would like it? Still pointed out you're a damn liar about what Obama said re: Gestapo...so suck it bitch you brought it up-- Godwins law you fucking heathen! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 77] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 07:06 PM Do you deny you would like it? Still pointed out you're a damn liar about what Obama said re: Gestapo...so suck it bitch you brought it up-- Godwins law you fucking heathen! Golden rule of combat , get your opponent pissed, they make more and greater mistakes that way. Works in debating too. Jethro's law sucker, don't hit a man with a club unless you are sure he will not take it away from you and then beat ur dumb ass with it!:laugh2: Taking the club was easy, deciding when ,where and how hard to hit ya was a bit harder but I managed alright you arrogant prick..-:laugh: Better a heathen than a prick I always say.-;) fail, still you post no round up quote made by me. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 78] Author : Drummond Date : 09-13-2012 07:10 PM You advocate violence...not very Christian of you. But you make a good point; as we're a christian nation, why don't we let the old testament followers and quranic followers settle their own disputes in their own manner abroad. I thought manifest destiny was over; why if we are beacon of freedom and good will do we police the world and sell arms to nations prone to violence? It's made us wealthier, but not safer or more free. If our politics violate our Christian beliefs, perhaps we need to reevaluate our policy? Logroller, I recall challenging you on another thread to show me where, in the Christian Bible, it says that Christians should sit back and let evil triumph (not sure if I used exactly those words, though that in essence was what I wanted you to answer). But I did not see you take up that challenge. A central point, surely, to Tyr's opening post is that Islam is a direct threat to YOUR COUNTRY, TO YOUR WAY OF LIFE, TO ALL YOU HOLD DEAR. But what I'm getting from your posting is that you aren't recognising the fact that Islamists want to complete their incursions, actually their invasion, of all that your country is. You think that if everyone just sits back and passively does nothing, Islamists will just go away ?? Islam's goal, Logroller, is dominion over all of us. Tyr has the sense to understand that what he believes in has to be preserved, NOT through inaction, but by making a stand, to defend his country ! I think, Logroller, that all you want is total passivity. Totally affordable if you can convince your adversaries that you're dead and eminently ignorable, but I'm afraid that for those who are alive, have beliefs we hold dear, and want them preserved and cherished, we have something that is worth defending !! Bottom line: there is an enemy out there, and it's not a nice enemy. It won't just go away as a product of your wishful thinking ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 79] Author : logroller Date : 09-13-2012 07:12 PM Golden rule of combat , get your opponent pissed, they make more and greater mistakes that way. Works in debating too. Jethro's law sucker, don't hit a man with a club unless you are sure he will not take it away from you and then beat ur dumb ass with it!:laugh2: Taking the club was easy, deciding when ,where and how hard to hit ya was a bit harder but I managed alright you arrogant prick..-:laugh: Better a heathen than a prick I always say.-;) fail, still you post no round up quote made by me. -Tyr I never said you said it-- I said you'd like it...you don't even deny it. Motion carries. :dance: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 80] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-13-2012 07:15 PM Inspite of all your fears and proclamations the truth is that there is a war on terror being waged by the US right now. We have people watching and listening for this type of thing. Stop worrying. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 81] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 07:34 PM I never said you said it-- I said you'd like it...you don't even deny it. Motion carries. :dance: I know that you arent that dense. My asking you to prove by quoting me was a denial. IN FACT, I AM DEAD SET AGAINST IT BECAUSE ROUNDING UP IS WHAT HITLER DID TO THE JEWS AND WHAT FDR DID TO JAPANESE AMERICANS DURING WW2 ! Nice dancing, but its better when one has a beautiful female partner. At least this heathen thinks so because beautiful women are a gem worth holding be it dancing or otherwise.-;) -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 82] Author : logroller Date : 09-13-2012 07:39 PM Logroller, I recall challenging you on another thread to show me where, in the Christian Bible, it says that Christians should sit back and let evil triumph (not sure if I used exactly those words, though that in essence was what I wanted you to answer). But I did not see you take up that challenge. A central point, surely, to Tyr's opening post is that Islam is a direct threat to YOUR COUNTRY, TO YOUR WAY OF LIFE, TO ALL YOU HOLD DEAR. But what I'm getting from your posting is that you aren't recognising the fact that Islamists want to complete their incursions, actually their invasion, of all that your country is. You think that if everyone just sits back and passively does nothing, Islamists will just go away ?? Islam's goal, Logroller, is dominion over all of us. Tyr has the sense to understand that what he believes in has to be preserved, NOT through inaction, but by making a stand, to defend his country ! I think, Logroller, that all you want is total passivity. Totally affordable if you can convince your adversaries that you're dead and eminently ignorable, but I'm afraid that for those who are alive, have beliefs we hold dear, and want them preserved and cherished, we have something that is worth defending !! Bottom line: there is an enemy out there, and it's not a nice enemy. It won't just go away as a product of your wishful thinking ! The bottom line is the enemy is within yourself-- You're too weak to do anything or too if ignorant to realize it-- preferring instead to oppress others under the auspices of self preservation. I am alive in spirit, my life reflects that and nobody can take that away unless I allow them to-- not you, not the police, not some terrorist. That you see confident passivity as weak speaks to your own lack of confidence in your Beliefs. Maybe that's why England's fucked; sorry ass blame gamers like yourself fuelin the policies that attempt to make up for your personal inadequacies...or perhaps your imperial cocks have come home to roost. Cheers! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 83] Author : logroller Date : 09-13-2012 08:07 PM Hey drummond, I don't recall that challenge; but it's loaded. How does the bible, specifically the new testament instruct us to combat evil and sin? Is it through violence? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 84] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-13-2012 08:26 PM My feelings on Islam and its plan to destroy USA. Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts. Surely we that place such great value on justice and freedom can see that there can be absolutely no peace with Islam, with those so dedicated to destroying freedom and justice as we know it. Destroying it as our founders intended and created a governing magnificent document to guide. Should we fail to unite and arrive at that conclusion, create a proper plan of action and pursue it with determination we shall meet our destruction. For abandoning our integrity, honor and justice we shall pay a heavy price. One that few will dare admit because such tragedy is always the fate of others and we console ourselves with that old line of comforting thinking. Should we fail to act such tragedy may possibly be a just fate for a peoples that have betrayed the sacrifice of millions that gave us the most precious of blessings: Independence, Freedom, Rule of law and Constitution.! Such a combination that was not only unique in the world but has since failed to be duplicated ! Should we abandone common sense, Rule of Law to follow the easier path of appeasement our choice made to avoid confronting our fears and our enemy shall almost certainly bring destruction for having renounced the gift that has been dearly bought with the blood, tears and treasure of countless Americans that have lived and died fighting the true fight. The good fight of justice over injustice , of good over evil and the happiness of having created and passed on a blessing beyond compare to future generations.. Rather than yield to complacency, indifference and shallow lusts of the times it may be wise to learn again how to fall to bended knee and asked for strength of mind , pureness of heart and justice defended by righteous blade and keen intellect! If you have no “blade” sell your costly toys to buy the best money can buy. For what good be such if in maintaining one looses their head? Ask not mercy and gifts from enemies with no honor but instead stand firm, defend your life, your family and your country! For life often demands great sacrifice, think not and life will take that and more. The more being that which few can or will dare imagine but life cares not about our fears and failures. It is we that should care more about life! Care enough to stand against those that would murder our parents, enslave our children and exstinguish our freedom and justice forever. Islam, shall not subjugate this great nation. Shall not if we face it without fear and with determination birthed from defending that which is good and right about our nation. This nation created to be the guiding light to the world. A Christian nation blessed by God and occupied by those brave enough to spill blood , blood of others as well as their own!--Tyr Second draft.. decided not to add in the long post previously cut before my posting the first addressing -lack of patriotism from the Dem party and its dire effects upon this nation and our military . Perhaps worthy of another thread at a later time. More fodder for my critics!!!:laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 85] Author : tailfins Date : 09-13-2012 08:29 PM That you see confident passivity as weak speaks to your own lack of confidence in your Beliefs. I think that's called "strategic waiting". Many people do forget that waiting can be an active, planned response. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 86] Author : logroller Date : 09-13-2012 10:34 PM I think that's called "strategic waiting". Many people do forget that waiting can be an active, planned response. In the corporate lexicon, id agree. You weren't kiddin about your corporate experience. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 87] Author : logroller Date : 09-14-2012 04:53 AM Logroller, I recall challenging you on another thread to show me where, in the Christian Bible, it says that Christians should sit back and let evil triumph (not sure if I used exactly those words, though that in essence was what I wanted you to answer). But I did not see you take up that challenge. A central point, surely, to Tyr's opening post is that Islam is a direct threat to YOUR COUNTRY, TO YOUR WAY OF LIFE, TO ALL YOU HOLD DEAR. But what I'm getting from your posting is that you aren't recognising the fact that Islamists want to complete their incursions, actually their invasion, of all that your country is. You think that if everyone just sits back and passively does nothing, Islamists will just go away ?? Islam's goal, Logroller, is dominion over all of us. Tyr has the sense to understand that what he believes in has to be preserved, NOT through inaction, but by making a stand, to defend his country ! I think, Logroller, that all you want is total passivity. Totally affordable if you can convince your adversaries that you're dead and eminently ignorable, but I'm afraid that for those who are alive, have beliefs we hold dear, and want them preserved and cherished, we have something that is worth defending !! Bottom line: there is an enemy out there, and it's not a nice enemy. It won't just go away as a product of your wishful thinking ! Tyr and I seemingly disagree upon that which we hold dearest. I yield to divine providence; he manifests earthly desires of rectitude. Perhaps we'll always be at ends. What I'm trying to say is all that I hold sacred on this earth is of no consequence if it be ill-gotten. Freedom is from God, not from country. In fact history shows that in those countries held under God's trust, (in practice, not name alone), great riches are bestowed. I see that my country, at the behest of my countrymen, has been victimized by the evils of sin. Rather than take up sword, i seek to clean my own house of its trespasses. Such is not passive; but rather an active pursuit of the faithful service to which I, in faith that We, may inherit God's kingdom on earth as it is heaven. To answer your challenge,(which is no challenge, btw; I googled it, same as you could have) http://www.openbible.info/topics/dealing_with_evil_people Matthew 5:43-48 43 “You have heard that it was said,‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, andsends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers,[a (http://mobile.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A43-48&version=ESV#fen-ESV-23282a)] what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Praise the Lord, Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 3:8-18 8 Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind.9 Do not repay evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary,bless, for to this you were called, that you may obtain a blessing.10 For“Whoever desires to love life and see good days, let him keep his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking deceit; 11 let him turn away from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it. 12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer. But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.” 13 Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is good?14 But even if you should suffer for righteousness' sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, 15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy,always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness andrespect, 16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. 17 For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil. 18 For Christ also suffered[a (http://mobile.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+3%3A8-18&version=ESV#fen-ESV-30426a)] once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, Is obedient service to the Lord, Jesus Christ "wishful thinking"? I can tell you, but cannot explain how, save Christ the Lord, that when I submit to service of the the almighty I am blessed with spiritual and earthly riches. Ill bid you adieu with a quote I find explicit of our differences.
In the part of this universe that we know there is great injustice, and often the good suffer, and often the wicked prosper, and one hardly knows which of those is the more annoying.
Bertrand Russell (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Bertrand_Russell/) British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 - 1970)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 88] Author : taft2012 Date : 09-14-2012 05:32 AM How is he to speak on the safety of America, he's not American. Are you American; why don't you answer your own question? Oh brother. Sometimes people are given way too much credit for more intelligence than they have. The question was simply; are Jews and Christians safer living in Islamic theocracies than Muslims are living in the USA. Your response was essentially; "Gasp! Swoon! Limpwrist! How is he to speak on the safety of America, he's not American. Are you American; why don't you answer your own question?" Ignoring the fact that I do not actually live in an Islamic theocracy and according to your own effeminate guidelines am as unable to answer the question as our resident head-lopper is.... Putting that idiocy aside.... do I really have to go live in an Islamic theocracy, and have my head cut off, so your ladylike coke-for-anus president can strap on his mandals, swing his manpurse over his shoulder, and go prancing off to Las Vegas to do some fundraising, and ignore the whole thing, and then you can show up on an internet forum and defend his lame ass? Sorry, I don't see a benefit in that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 89] Author : logroller Date : 09-14-2012 06:06 AM Oh brother. Sometimes people are given way too much credit for more intelligence than they have. You wanna debate something intellectual? You pick the topic, I pick the side. loser is the first to commit a logical fallacy (Ad hominem attack, for example.) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 90] Author : taft2012 Date : 09-14-2012 06:32 AM You wanna debate something intellectual? You pick the topic, I pick the side. loser is the first to commit a logical fallacy (Ad hominem attack, for example.) Cool, you're on. The topic I selected: Logroller applied one standard to me and a different one to Jafar on the same exact issue and thought he made some kind of salient brilliant point. You go first.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 91] Author : Voted4Reagan Date : 09-14-2012 06:44 AM Of course you have the freedom of speech to do so. But you make it sound like you'd rather hide behind such a freedom, than explain why, as an American. You would wonder...other than due to lack of comprehension, or even suggest asking such a question. That line above sounds almost like something Obama would say..to avoid actually committing himself to answering honestly. My old friend... pay no attention to DilloDuck... his anti-semite side is showing more and more everyday... Other then that.... he's the typical Troll who spouts his Pro-Palestinian Agenda just to get a reaction.... He most likely has no real feelings for them but because they cause controversy he uses them as a disruption... So dont feed the DilloDuck Troll..... Ignore him -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 92] Author : tailfins Date : 09-14-2012 06:58 AM My old friend... pay no attention to DilloDuck... his anti-semite side is showing more and more everyday... Other then that.... he's the typical Troll who spouts his Pro-Palestinian Agenda just to get a reaction.... He most likely has no real feelings for them but because they cause controversy he uses them as a disruption... So dont feed the DilloDuck Troll..... Ignore him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ud1zKcAgD0 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 93] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-14-2012 08:56 AM A central point, surely, to Tyr's opening post is that Islam is a direct threat to YOUR COUNTRY, TO YOUR WAY OF LIFE, TO ALL YOU HOLD DEAR. Bottom line: there is an enemy out there, and it's not a nice enemy. It won't just go away as a product of your wishful thinking ! That central point is being ignored in a foolishly held belief that ignoring it will show that we mean no harm. And in showing no harm meant the Islamists will cease and desist. Nothing, I repeat NOTHING could be further from the TRUTH! Islamists take that foolishness to be a very great weakness and in their world weaknesses are to be exploited to further their agenda. The socalled Religion of peace will use then abuse the socalled enlightened lib/leftist allies after getting what they want, aid in destroying our power and nation. Typical treachery , similiar to Hitler's use of the Soviet Union at WW2 started with the plans already prepared for turning on them at a well chosen time. Not to fear , the leftist allies intend the same treachery. Much like two bank robbers each planning on killing off the other to keep all the loot after successfully robbing the bank. Treachery begets further treachery... The plan of ignoring to show no harm intended is childish and wishful thinking and extremely dangerous as well ! We have to not only fight the agenda of the Islamists but the agenda of our leftist/liberal/ dems that have aligned themselves with Islam for various reasons not the least of which is the desire to destroy the nation as it was founded and rebuild it as a socialist type paradise. The muslims are all for and in on the destroying part but plan on their own rebuilding project which they will force on their former allies only after they together destroy what exists here now! A wicked web indeed but one that has been allowed to be birthed here and now is being furthered by bought out politicians! Obama being the top one! It was birthed long before obama stepped up for his coronation IMHO..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 94] Author : tailfins Date : 09-14-2012 09:00 AM That central point is being ignored in a foolishly held belief that ignoring it will show that we mean no harm. And in showing no harm meant the Islamists will cease and desist. Nothing, I repeat NOTHING could be further from the TRUTH! Islamists take that foolishness to be a very great weakness and in their world weaknesses are to be exploited to further their agenda. The socalled Religion of peace will use then abuse the socalled enlightened lib/leftist allies after geting what they want, aid in destroying our power and nation. Typical treachery , similiar to Hitler's use of the Soviet Union at WW2 start with the plans already prepared for turning on them at a well chosen time. Not to fear , the leftist allies intend the same treachery. Much like two bank robbers each planning on kiling off the other to keep all the loot after successfully robbing the bank. Treachery begets further treachery... The plan of ignoring to show no harm intended is childish and wishful thinking and extremely dangerous as well ! We have to not only fight the agenda of the Islamists but the agenda of our leftist/liberal/ dems that have aligned themselves with Islam for various reasons not the least of which is the desire to destroy the nation as it was founded and rebuild it in a socialist type paradise. The muslims are all for and in on the detroying part but plan on their own rebuilding project which they will force on their former allies only after they together destroy what exists here now! A wicked web indeed but one that has been allowed to be birthed here and now is being furthered by bought out politicians! Obama being the top one! It was birthed long before obama stepped up for his coronation IMHO..-Tyr However, we need to be careful not to do the equivalent of attacking China for Pearl Harbor. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 95] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-14-2012 09:09 AM However, we need to be careful not to do the equivalent of attacking China for Pearl Harbor. Sage advice. We must correctly and cleverly oppose the true and greatest enemy first, while dealing with others as needed in a well defined manner. We must not fire off a huge salvo just to watch the smoke clear to find that we only hit a stray bird flying by heading south for the winter. A false volley is surely a great folly and folly so often begets even greater folly. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 96] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-14-2012 11:43 AM My old friend... pay no attention to DilloDuck... his anti-semite side is showing more and more everyday... Other then that.... he's the typical Troll who spouts his Pro-Palestinian Agenda just to get a reaction.... He most likely has no real feelings for them but because they cause controversy he uses them as a disruption... So dont feed the DilloDuck Troll..... Ignore him A disruption ? Taking an opposing side in a debate is now a disruption ? Or is that just your way of saying that you can't counter my arguments ? Having everyone just agreeing with you is so much neater isn't it ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 97] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 09-14-2012 12:07 PM How about some air between paragraphs? It looks to the eye like a long, run-on paragraph and turns the reader away from tackling it. I didn't read it for that reason. It's a good suggestion. I agree that it's hard to read. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 98] Author : tailfins Date : 09-14-2012 12:50 PM A disruption ? Taking an opposing side in a debate is now a disruption ? Or is that just your way of saying that you can't counter my arguments ? Having everyone just agreeing with you is so much neater isn't it ? Absolutely, especially if they use bullet points when they do it! Or better still do it in a Powerpoint presentation. You would be amazed how many ways an accomplished yes-man can agree with official policy. Regardless of point of view: A yes-man deserves ridicule. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 99] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 09-14-2012 01:04 PM Inspite of all your fears and proclamations the truth is that there is a war on terror being waged by the US right now. We have people watching and listening for this type of thing. Stop worrying. So are you saying we probably knew from Intel what was going to happen in Libya, and did nothing? Or is our Intel actually not good enough to protect us? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 100] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-14-2012 02:26 PM So are you saying we probably knew from Intel what was going to happen in Libya, and did nothing? Or is our Intel actually not good enough to protect us? I think our Intel on threats to America is far better than our ability to predict what will happen daily in Africa but the truth is that there is no such thing as security. Crazy people will blow you away in a movie theater or college campus. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 101] Author : logroller Date : 09-14-2012 03:36 PM Cool, you're on. The topic I selected: You go first.... ok. i don't know what standard you are referencing, but I'll just agree with the premise: I did apply a different standard. Now refute it! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 102] Author : Drummond Date : 09-14-2012 04:47 PM The bottom line is the enemy is within yourself I've absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I have NO 'enemy within myself'. preferring instead to oppress others under the auspices of self preservation. -- Context intended ? I'm taking this to mean .. and I'm far from sure I understand you properly .. that my anti-Islamic arguments are, in your mind, my efforts to 'oppress' them ?? If I'm getting this correctly, the suggestion is pure rot. In fact, the opposite is true, what we're dealing with in Islam is a force which, given the means to manage it, would oppress US, in the WEST. Or, do you think those Jihadist types who fight for it are really lovers of freedom ??? I am alive in spirit, my life reflects that and nobody can take that away unless I allow them to-- not you, not the police, not some terrorist. I interpret your meaning in two ways. One, that no 'outside agency' can have a detrimental effect upon your spirit if you don't permit it, to which I say, 'whoopee' .. good for you. Of course, not everyone has that steadfastness to bolster them, though it's nice that you do. As for the second interpretation .. are you hinting at the immortality of your soul, saying effectively that terrorists cannot impact upon that ? Fair point if so .. but they CAN impact on your physical health (and that of others, as well ..) with things like bombs and bullets. I say ... why help them in the process, by taking a passive role ? Has it occurred to you, Logroller, that people who only meet Islamic aggression with passivity are a terrorists' dream ? Could they actually WISH for anything better ??? Why, if they could ever be inclined to do so, I'm sure they'd put you on their Christmas card list in appreciation of your cooperation with them, as a way of saying 'thank you' for being such a good sport ... !! ... Moving on ... That you see confident passivity as weak speaks to your own lack of confidence in your Beliefs. Not a bit of it. Nope - nonsense. Passivity is passivity, and whether or not it's 'confident' doesn't exactly have much bearing on anything. A passive terrorist target .. and you make yourself into an ideal target, just by BEING passive !! .. is no less vulnerable to targeting, and where it leads, whether 'confident' or not. But let's say we're not discussing terrorism, but instead the sneakier methods that Islamists use to make inroads. An indigenous population somehow filled with inner 'confidence', yet nonetheless remains passive while Islamists demand more and ever more deference to them, doesn't become any less victimised through having that confidence. It's the PASSIVITY that's the problem, because the passivity is totally and eminently exploitable ! Maybe YOU want to roll over and play dead for some passing Islamic invaders. How nice for you. But WHAT ABOUT YOUR COMPATRIOTS ? One passive individual is an individual who could potentially fight but chooses not to. With enough passive people around NOT resisting, the victory your enemies seek over you is assured. Maybe that's why England's fucked; sorry ass blame gamers like yourself fuelin the policies that attempt to make up for your personal inadequacies...or perhaps your imperial cocks have come home to roost. Cheers! This is interesting, because your language is quite aggressive, isn't it ? Now .. this makes me wonder if all this passivity of yours is merely skin deep, a contrivance, something you maintain as a pose .. when REALLY, you're as fired up with aggression as most other people who encounter adversarial situations and challenges !! But to answer you more directly - sorry, you've got it backwards. I can tell you exactly how the UK got into its present state, quite easily. The truth is that we had LEFTIES in power, who came along with all their 'PC' doctrines, saying that everybody had to be totally accommodating to immigrants, and what they wanted from us. Do you know, a debate raged in certain circles as to whether even the CRITICISM of immigration was of itself automatically racist !! So anyway, what happened ? Immigration rules were relaxed, and for a time we came to having open borders. So, what with that, along with an overly-generous benefits system (ALSO engineered by the Lefties), they came into the UK in droves, they moved into areas, congregated, set up their communities, and before you could say 'Osama bin Laden is a twisted git', whole communities had sprung up, absolutely NOT interested in integrating into the wider community. Far from it ... they made demand after demand, creating pressure groups for the purpose. Laws were passed which they gained advantages from. EU law further supplemented the effect. So you see, Logroller, it was PASSIVITY IN THE FACE OF AN AGGRESSIVE GO-GETTING ISLAMIST ACTIVISM that made its inroads .. helped along by societal pressures crafted by the Left wing over an extended period to convince people that tolerance was the only civilised response to any and all of this. So you see, Logroller, your passivity, so far from having a good effect, may become your very worst enemy. Tyr is grounded in reality, and his arguments reflect this. Yours, by contrast, amount to a dangerous escapism. One whose effect will delight any activist type who'll want to oppose you. I'm sorry - but I'm calling this as I see it. I can't reasonably do otherwise. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 103] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-14-2012 05:00 PM I've absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I have NO 'enemy within myself'. -- Context intended ? I'm taking this to mean .. and I'm far from sure I understand you properly .. that my anti-Islamic arguments are, in your mind, my efforts to 'oppress' them ?? If I'm getting this correctly, the suggestion is pure rot. In fact, the opposite is true, what we're dealing with in Islam is a force which, given the means to manage it, would oppress US, in the WEST. Or, do you think those Jihadist types who fight for it are really lovers of freedom ??? I interpret your meaning in two ways. One, that no 'outside agency' can have a detrimental effect upon your spirit if you don't permit it, to which I say, 'whoopee' .. good for you. Of course, not everyone has that steadfastness to bolster them, though it's nice that you do. As for the second interpretation .. are you hinting at the immortality of your soul, saying effectively that terrorists cannot impact upon that ? Fair point if so .. but they CAN impact on your physical health (and that of others, as well ..) with things like bombs and bullets. I say ... why help them in the process, by taking a passive role ? Has it occurred to you, Logroller, that people who only meet Islamic aggression with passivity are a terrorists' dream ? Could they actually WISH for anything better ??? Why, if they could ever be inclined to do so, I'm sure they'd put you on their Christmas card list in appreciation of your cooperation with them, as a way of saying 'thank you' for being such a good sport ... !! ... Moving on ... Not a bit of it. Nope - nonsense. Passivity is passivity, and whether or not it's 'confident' doesn't exactly have much bearing on anything. A passive terrorist target .. and you make yourself into an ideal target, just by BEING passive !! .. is no less vulnerable to targeting, and where it leads, whether 'confident' or not. But let's say we're not discussing terrorism, but instead the sneakier methods that Islamists use to make inroads. An indigenous population somehow filled with inner 'confidence', yet nonetheless remains passive while Islamists demand more and ever more deference to them, doesn't become any less victimised through having that confidence. It's the PASSIVITY that's the problem, because the passivity is totally and eminently exploitable ! Maybe YOU want to roll over and play dead for some passing Islamic invaders. How nice for you. But WHAT ABOUT YOUR COMPATRIOTS ? One passive individual is an individual who could potentially fight but chooses not to. With enough passive people around NOT resisting, the victory your enemies seek over you is assured. This is interesting, because your language is quite aggressive, isn't it ? Now .. this makes me wonder if all this passivity of yours is merely skin deep, a contrivance, something you maintain as a pose .. when REALLY, you're as fired up with aggression as most other people who encounter adversarial situations and challenges !! But to answer you more directly - sorry, you've got it backwards. I can tell you exactly how the UK got into its present state, quite easily. The truth is that we had LEFTIES in power, who came along with all their 'PC' doctrines, saying that everybody had to be totally accommodating to immigrants, and what they wanted from us. Do you know, a debate raged in certain circles as to whether even the CRITICISM of immigration was of itself automatically racist !! So anyway, what happened ? Immigration rules were relaxed, and for a time we came to having open borders. So, what with that, along with an overly-generous benefits system (ALSO engineered by the Lefties), they came into the UK in droves, they moved into areas, congregated, set up their communities, and before you could say 'Osama bin Laden is a twisted git', whole communities had sprung up, absolutely NOT interested in integrating into the wider community. Far from it ... they made demand after demand, creating pressure groups for the purpose. Laws were passed which they gained advantages from. EU law further supplemented the effect. So you see, Logroller, it was PASSIVITY IN THE FACE OF AN AGGRESSIVE GO-GETTING ISLAMIST ACTIVISM that made its inroads .. helped along by societal pressures crafted by the Left wing over an extended period to convince people that tolerance was the only civilised response to any and all of this. So you see, Logroller, your passivity, so far from having a good effect, may become your very worst enemy. Tyr is grounded in reality, and his arguments reflect this. Yours, by contrast, amount to a dangerous escapism. One whose effect will delight any activist type who'll want to oppose you. I'm sorry - but I'm calling this as I see it. I can't reasonably do otherwise. You don't know the difference between calming drawing the line and surrendering. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 104] Author : Drummond Date : 09-14-2012 05:24 PM Hey drummond, I don't recall that challenge; but it's loaded. How does the bible, specifically the new testament instruct us to combat evil and sin? Is it through violence? Talking of 'loaded', I note you want to weight your argument so that only one part of the Bible gets to be used. ... No bias there, then ... Of course, you loaded this in your preferred way because you consider that the New Testament better serves you than the Old Testament. Don't worry - I see where you're coming from in this. It's understandable, although you're somewhat guilty of 'cherry-picking' to suit yourself. Let me offer you this link > http://www.letusreason.org/doct40.htm I'm 'sorry' to say that it dwells upon references to the Old Testament. But it's all interesting stuff, nonetheless. I don't propose to post great chunks of this here .. it's a rather lengthy piece in total .. but still, I shall quote a couple of interesting pieces. Check these out ... We in America and throughout the world are now in a time of WAR. Does the Bible forbid or encourage us to defend ourselves, or to go to war against an enemy? This is one of the more controversial and difficult subjects to settle as Christians. I know that none of us will agree on all aspects of this subject but there is much to consider. Are we allowed to defend ourselves and family against attackers or enemies? The Old Testament teaches that it is right to use force in order to restrain evil and wickedness in the world. It is also allowable to defend a nation and ones family. When we come to the New Testament it is not as clear. What is clear is that the Bible does not teach pacifism, we have numerous examples to defend ourselves against evil-- personally, and for others. As I said, I can understand your desire to cherry-pick as you have. Still, I think you'll find this interesting ... The principle taught in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5:38-42 would seem to imply that Christians should not resist an evil person. If you are slapped on one cheek give them the other. But this means not retaliate when insulted or slandered (Romans 12:17-21). Insults do not threaten a Christian's personal safety. The idea of rendering insult for insult, is not the same as defending oneself against a mugger or a rapist, or someone that wants to kill you or a loved one. We are to preserve life, this is a principle carried over from the Old Testament. The use of physical force to protect or defend another is not an alternative but a command. We protect our children from drug dealers and pedophiles and all other sort of lowlifes. We lock our doors of our homes. We are to be vigilant against evil and take precautions to prevent it. We will keep our car keys on our person, we do not leave them in the ignition switch saying I have trust. We do what we can so we do not become sick. We do preventative measures for our safety. If we watch someone steal something and do not speak up or we know of a crime we could prevent, we are complicit to the crime. To watch an act of cruelty to children without trying to intervene is morally inexcusable. To permit a murder to take place when we could have done something to prevent it is ethically wrong. If we fail to use force to protect another whom is confronted with evil we are in fact failing to show love toward them. It would instead be sin to sit by idly and watch another harm physical harm perpetrated on them when it can be avoided or prevented by force. Not resisting evil is a sin of omission, and a sin of omission can bring the same result as one committing evil. Any man who refuses to protect his wife and children against a violent intruder fails in his moral obligation. Is violence never a justified act? What of self-defense? Do we stand by and watch someone being abused or physically threatened with harm? We are to pursue peace, but tolerance, finding compromise condoning criminal activity or withholding punishment does not lead to peace. It is the greatest act of love to sacrifice your life to protect the innocent, to defend their freedom against oppressors when they can’t. Self-sacrifice is part of the definition of agape? But what about sacrificing one self for the enemy? This is what Jesus did. We were all enemies before we became friends. Jesus is known for His teaching on love, compassion, forgiveness, and “not to return evil for evil” But we find Jesus advising the disciples to buy a sword in Luke 22:36: “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword, and it is clear that Jesus advocated the use of a sword for self-defense purposes. Jesus tells the disciples to buy a sword if he has none vs.38 they showed they had two, he said this is enough. So he is not telling them to arm themselves, lest they trust in man and not God. The “sword” (Greek: maxairan) that is used is a dagger or short sword that was part of the Jews traveler's equipment for protection against robbers and wild animals. A plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus approved of conditional self-defense. These were small daggers to protect someone from the criminals they would encounter as they traveled, they were used for close combat, for self defense, they were also to use against a wild animal Now you tell me. How much evidence do you see of 'passivity' in any of this ? Has it occurred to you that what's at issue IS self defence ? Defence against activism designed to demolish your way of life, to make all the inroads into it that can be managed. Now, you can defend against that, or you can just be passive, whether 'confidently' or not. But as I've just shown you, acting in self preservation is FINE from a Christian standpoint. In the Ten Commandments, God did not say, “You shall not kill” but, “You shall not murder” (Ex 20:13, Deut 5:17). This specifically refers to premeditated murder and is never used of executing a criminal or slaying an enemy in battle. God would then be contradicting himself when he told them to give just punishment. The teachings about the use of force found in the Old and New Testaments are not in opposition but each focuses on when, and how. For example, both the Old and New Covenants teach that it is proper to use force in order to restrain evil and wickedness in the world, as well as for the defense of a nation. I hope you're taking notes, Logroller. In regard to protecting ourselves from crime and our nation from foreign aggression, force is allowed by both the Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament (Genesis 14), when Abraham's nephew Lot was kidnapped by Chedorlaomer, the king of Elam, Abraham gathered 318 trained men of his household to rescue Lot. Ex 17:9 And Moses said to Joshua, "Choose us some men and go out, fight with Amalek. 1 Samuel 17:45 Then David said to the Philistine, "You come to me with a sword, with a spear, and with a javelin. But I come to you in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. The Bible does not teach pacifism; pacifists often misuse verses that apply to the defending of the faith and ignore the context, which has nothing to do with defenses against evildoers and national aggression. The New Testament does not make it absolutely clear in prohibiting all self-defense, or to protect others from harm. It appears to me that we are allowed to take different positions, depending on our conscience sake and the situation at the time. Matthew 10:21-22. Jesus told his disciples, and other believers, they would be hated and killed because of the gospel, even by their own family. He didn’t specifically mention running away to protect themselves-- but he also didn't say not to. He instructed the disciples in Matthew 10:23 if you are persecuted in one place, his disciples were to flee to another. When Jesus said he did not come to bring peace but a sword, the rest of the verse reveals that it was not literal but meant a division for those who follow and those who do not. Christians and non Christians should not disarm, allowing despots, totalitarian governments to take over and enslave millions. This becomes an issue of self defense, and not sitting by idly while others are slaughtered or enslaved, it is not an issue of faith. Certain individuals, religious groups, countries are intent on domination and abusing others. Maintaining peace is sometimes impossible without having a strong defense. A nation as a whole cannot turn the other cheek, as Romans 13 says the government does not bear the sword in vain to those who do evil. The entire site I've quoted from is devoted to a pro-Christian message, Logroller, but those running it are clear in a position which is a lot more in line with Tyr's own than yours. They are clear that the Bible sanctions the defence of a nation against aggressive enemies .. and Islamists, especially the most active of them, certainly qualify ! But still ... as I said, I can see why you wanted to favour the New Testament over the Old, because you wanted, as you hoped, to skew things in your favour, Either tell me that the Old Testament isn't a legitimate part of Bible teachings, or, Logroller, accept that you have some real problems with your 'passivity' role. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 105] Author : Drummond Date : 09-14-2012 05:45 PM Title : Post #87 .. Logroller, just letting you know that I've quickly scanned your answer to me in post #87, which I note to be a SECOND answer to an older post of mine. I'm supposing that you added a second reply because you weren't satisfied with your first one. I think I'll be getting bogged down with repeating myself if I bother with a detailed reply, and I've been quite detailed enough already .. especially considering that all this is straying (AGAIN) from ISLAM as an issue, as Tyr intended !!! I just wanted, though, to reflect on your choice of BERTRAND RUSSELL (!!!) AS SOMEONE TO CONSIDER FOR REFERENCE. You surely know that he was a celebrated atheist ?? That amused me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 106] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-14-2012 06:06 PM I've absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I have NO 'enemy within myself'. -- Context intended ? I'm taking this to mean .. and I'm far from sure I understand you properly .. that my anti-Islamic arguments are, in your mind, my efforts to 'oppress' them ?? If I'm getting this correctly, the suggestion is pure rot. In fact, the opposite is true, what we're dealing with in Islam is a force which, given the means to manage it, would oppress US, in the WEST. Or, do you think those Jihadist types who fight for it are really lovers of freedom ??? I interpret your meaning in two ways. One, that no 'outside agency' can have a detrimental effect upon your spirit if you don't permit it, to which I say, 'whoopee' .. good for you. Of course, not everyone has that steadfastness to bolster them, though it's nice that you do. As for the second interpretation .. are you hinting at the immortality of your soul, saying effectively that terrorists cannot impact upon that ? Fair point if so .. but they CAN impact on your physical health (and that of others, as well ..) with things like bombs and bullets. I say ... why help them in the process, by taking a passive role ? Has it occurred to you, Logroller, that people who only meet Islamic aggression with passivity are a terrorists' dream ? Could they actually WISH for anything better ??? Why, if they could ever be inclined to do so, I'm sure they'd put you on their Christmas card list in appreciation of your cooperation with them, as a way of saying 'thank you' for being such a good sport ... !! ... Moving on ... Not a bit of it. Nope - nonsense. Passivity is passivity, and whether or not it's 'confident' doesn't exactly have much bearing on anything. A passive terrorist target .. and you make yourself into an ideal target, just by BEING passive !! .. is no less vulnerable to targeting, and where it leads, whether 'confident' or not. But let's say we're not discussing terrorism, but instead the sneakier methods that Islamists use to make inroads. An indigenous population somehow filled with inner 'confidence', yet nonetheless remains passive while Islamists demand more and ever more deference to them, doesn't become any less victimised through having that confidence. It's the PASSIVITY that's the problem, because the passivity is totally and eminently exploitable ! Maybe YOU want to roll over and play dead for some passing Islamic invaders. How nice for you. But WHAT ABOUT YOUR COMPATRIOTS ? One passive individual is an individual who could potentially fight but chooses not to. With enough passive people around NOT resisting, the victory your enemies seek over you is assured. This is interesting, because your language is quite aggressive, isn't it ? Now .. this makes me wonder if all this passivity of yours is merely skin deep, a contrivance, something you maintain as a pose .. when REALLY, you're as fired up with aggression as most other people who encounter adversarial situations and challenges !! But to answer you more directly - sorry, you've got it backwards. I can tell you exactly how the UK got into its present state, quite easily. The truth is that we had LEFTIES in power, who came along with all their 'PC' doctrines, saying that everybody had to be totally accommodating to immigrants, and what they wanted from us. Do you know, a debate raged in certain circles as to whether even the CRITICISM of immigration was of itself automatically racist !! So anyway, what happened ? Immigration rules were relaxed, and for a time we came to having open borders. So, what with that, along with an overly-generous benefits system (ALSO engineered by the Lefties), they came into the UK in droves, they moved into areas, congregated, set up their communities, and before you could say 'Osama bin Laden is a twisted git', whole communities had sprung up, absolutely NOT interested in integrating into the wider community. Far from it ... they made demand after demand, creating pressure groups for the purpose. Laws were passed which they gained advantages from. EU law further supplemented the effect. So you see, Logroller, it was PASSIVITY IN THE FACE OF AN AGGRESSIVE GO-GETTING ISLAMIST ACTIVISM that made its inroads .. helped along by societal pressures crafted by the Left wing over an extended period to convince people that tolerance was the only civilised response to any and all of this. So you see, Logroller, your passivity, so far from having a good effect, may become your very worst enemy. Tyr is grounded in reality, and his arguments reflect this. Yours, by contrast, amount to a dangerous escapism. One whose effect will delight any activist type who'll want to oppose you. I'm sorry - but I'm calling this as I see it. I can't reasonably do otherwise. Interesting is it not that Log preaches a passive defense ,if any at all , when it's our objections to being victimsed by Islam and its Jihadists but when it comes to you and I personally speaking out against that savagery he lets loose with such aggressive little accusations and seems to lose that ever so passive nature he previously cherished and magnificently lauded mere moments before.. In addition I have never read a post by Log exspressing such anger spewed forth against murdering terrorist scum yet against our words of righteous defiance this man clearly looses it sometimes! Perhaps his faith sustains him but his desire to see others die with him while he fearlessly preaches "let them do their damndest against me for my spirit and confidence in my faith shall not be broken " has in it an apparent absolute lack of concern for others, women and children included! He may wish to passively die without oppposing such murdering vermin but his proposition that others should do so as well reeks of arrogance and selfish motives based upon what source I havent a clue. One could possibly admire some of what he preaches if it were not his attitude that others are wrong in wanting and choosing to fight back against such evil! That conveys an utter contempt for those with less faith and more desire to live an earthly life free from oppression and murder by muslim terrorists enforcing Sharia law. In short, he projects his faith in a magnificently contempteous manner and attempts to belittle others for lack of faith and having a hearty lust for earthly life. Such obvious contempt points plainly to arrogance IMHO. I'm sure that he will deny it and may even do so sincerely but that does not in itself disprove it , being that actions and reality are far greater than perception alone no matter how strong that illusion may be. ISLAM YIELDS TO NOTHING, ACCEPT THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH OF THAT AND ALL DEFENSE OF IT FALLS INTO THE TRASHHEAP.-AS DOES ALL CRIES TO IGNORE OR APPEASE IT!!! Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 107] Author : logroller Date : 09-14-2012 06:56 PM Talking of 'loaded', I note you want to weight your argument so that only one part of the Bible gets to be used. ... No bias there, then ... Of course, you loaded this in your preferred way because you consider that the New Testament better serves you than the Old Testament. Don't worry - I see where you're coming from in this. It's understandable, although you're somewhat guilty of 'cherry-picking' to suit yourself. Let me offer you this link > http://www.letusreason.org/doct40.htm I'm 'sorry' to say that it dwells upon references to the Old Testament. But it's all interesting stuff, nonetheless. I don't propose to post great chunks of this here .. it's a rather lengthy piece in total .. but still, I shall quote a couple of interesting pieces. Check these out ... As I said, I can understand your desire to cherry-pick as you have. Still, I think you'll find this interesting ... Now you tell me. How much evidence do you see of 'passivity' in any of this ? Has it occurred to you that what's at issue IS self defence ? Defence against activism designed to demolish your way of life, to make all the inroads into it that can be managed. Now, you can defend against that, or you can just be passive, whether 'confidently' or not. But as I've just shown you, acting in self preservation is FINE from a Christian standpoint. I hope you're taking notes, Logroller. The entire site I've quoted from is devoted to a pro-Christian message, Logroller, but those running it are clear in a position which is a lot more in line with Tyr's own than yours. They are clear that the Bible sanctions the defence of a nation against aggressive enemies .. and Islamists, especially the most active of them, certainly qualify ! But still ... as I said, I can see why you wanted to favour the New Testament over the Old, because you wanted, as you hoped, to skew things in your favour, Either tell me that the Old Testament isn't a legitimate part of Bible teachings, or, Logroller, accept that you have some real problems with your 'passivity' role. I Favor the new testament sir because I am Christian; that When there is conflict between the Old and New, I follow the New instruction. Just as i woukdnt expect a jew or a muslim to heed the new testament, perhaps I cannot expect you to either; but that does not diminish what is the fundamental tenet of Christianity: forgiveness. Though I especially liked your reference to Matthew 5, let us continue down that tract. Matthew 26: 52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelvelegions of angels? 54 But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?” You Remind me of those who mocked Jesus on the cross to use his power to free Himself. He forgave them as I forgive you. For you know not what you do. Thine enemy is within yourself, that incarnate propensity to sin-- it's the ugly stepchild of free will. There's no excuse for it, but there is a path to salvation-- I know Him as the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. If you believe in Him, ask yourself, what would Jesus do? Take up a sword? Do you know Jesus as those who claim to know Muhammed, claiming jihad of the sword against the infidels? It's been done before during the crusades; with papal dispensation for violating Christian principles. Thought we'd been reformed though, Tyr even said so. Great advances to civilization were made possible through that reform; I see it as you, just like fanatical Islamic hadith, seek to ignore one's core beliefs when faced with a trial of faith when it suits some practical carnal interest-- that's not true faith. I can't tell you what's right for you, any more than you can I. But i can tell you the way of the sword has led to far more persecution, death and just all-round evil than Christ ever did. Answer me this, is it better to be persecutor despite your beliefs or persecuted because of them? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 108] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 09-14-2012 07:01 PM I think our Intel on threats to America is far better than our ability to predict what will happen daily in Africa but the truth is that there is no such thing as security. Crazy people will blow you away in a movie theater or college campus. Hence the need for worry. But surely you would agree that we should protect ourselves whenever and pretty much however we can? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 109] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-14-2012 07:09 PM Hence the need for worry. But surely you would agree that we should protect ourselves whenever and pretty much however we can? To worry or not is up to each individual or not, I guess. Some resort to faith, some resort to other forms of comfort. I'll make an attempt to secure those I care about up to a point but somewhere a decision has to be made about reasonable uses of time and resources. Right now America spends by far the most money on defense yet who is the country that is suffering from terrorist attacks ? I think it's entirely possible to spend so much energy on being safe that you harm yourself. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 110] Author : logroller Date : 09-14-2012 07:19 PM Interesting is it not that Log preaches a passive defense ,if any at all , when it's our objections to being victimsed by Islam and its Jihadists but when it comes to you and I personally speaking out against that savagery he lets loose with such aggressive little accusations and seems to lose that ever so passive nature he previously cherished and magnificently lauded mere moments before.. In addition I have never read a post by Log exspressing such anger spewed forth against murdering terrorist scum yet against our words of righteous defiance this man clearly looses it sometimes! Perhaps his faith sustains him but his desire to see others die with him while he fearlessly preaches "let them do their damndest against me for my spirit and confidence in my faith shall not be broken " has in it an apparent absolute lack of concern for others, women and children included! He may wish to passively die without oppposing such murdering vermin but his proposition that others should do so as well reeks of arrogance and selfish motives based upon what source I havent a clue. One could possibly admire some of what he preaches if it were not his attitude that others are wrong in wanting and choosing to fight back against such evil! That conveys an utter contempt for those with less faith and more desire to live an earthly life free from oppression and murder by muslim terrorists enforcing Sharia law. In short, he projects his faith in a magnificently contempteous manner and attempts to belittle others for lack of faith and having a hearty lust for earthly life. Such obvious contempt points plainly to arrogance IMHO. I'm sure that he will deny it and may even do so sincerely but that does not in itself disprove it , being that actions and reality are far greater than perception alone no matter how strong that illusion may be. ISLAM YIELDS TO NOTHING, ACCEPT THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH OF THAT AND ALL DEFENSE OF IT FALLS INTO THE TRASHHEAP.-AS DOES ALL CRIES TO IGNORE OR APPEASE IT!!! Tyr Never claimed to be perfect, just forgiven. But my actions, even those of sin, do not disprove the instruction of Jesus, do they? Attack me for my trespasses if you will, but such doesn't make your trespasses acceptable. A sin is a sin is a sin. Despite my failures, I attempt to turn away from sins...you promote them with an evil tongue. I see why you hate Islam, they'd kill you for it. I merely curse you, but you're right, I shouldnt and i thank you for pointing that out and humbly beg your forgiveness. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 111] Author : taft2012 Date : 09-14-2012 07:36 PM ok. i don't know what standard you are referencing, but I'll just agree with the premise: I did apply a different standard. Now refute it! Admitting you're a self-conflicting jabber-head? How can I possibly refute it? You win. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 112] Author : Drummond Date : 09-14-2012 08:22 PM Never claimed to be perfect, just forgiven. But my actions, even those of sin, do not disprove the instruction of Jesus, do they? Attack me for my trespasses if you will, but such doesn't make your trespasses acceptable. A sin is a sin is a sin. Despite my failures, I attempt to turn away from sins...you promote them with an evil tongue. I see why you hate Islam, they'd kill you for it. I merely curse you, but you're right, I shouldnt and i thank you for pointing that out and humbly beg your forgiveness. Not quite sure how literally to take your message, but, Logroller, at least you are willing to make progress. None of us is free from sin .. we cannot be. But I'd like to hope that you can build on what progress your message to Tyr indicates, and see that pride can blind you to truth. I think you approach your 'passive' stance as something to take pride in. Am I right ? And if so, is that pride a good thing ? If NOT ... and surely you must agree that such pride is wrong ... then where is it leading you ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 113] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-14-2012 08:47 PM Never claimed to be perfect, just forgiven. But my actions, even those of sin, do not disprove the instruction of Jesus, do they? Attack me for my trespasses if you will, but such doesn't make your trespasses acceptable. A sin is a sin is a sin. Despite my failures, I attempt to turn away from sins...you promote them with an evil tongue. I see why you hate Islam, they'd kill you for it. I merely curse you, but you're right, I shouldnt and i thank you for pointing that out and humbly beg your forgiveness. I can only take this post as a sincere effort to try to reach amends of sort. I asked for no request for forgiveness from you. Instead I sought an understanding. One in which you acknowledge that other people's lives when being so terribly threatened are not to be included in your wish to just let the Lord handle it with their objections to that ridiculed as inferior and shallow! We are not talking abstract ideals here but rather real lives , a very real and terrible threat and man's God given right to defend himself, his family and his nation. I have absolutely no wish to be responsible for granting forgiveness to you when your error was to your own self and your faith IMHO. Surely it is enough that you have seen and come to a conclusion that you should ask it. The gesture made to make amends was enough for me to grant it had I the ability but I do not. That is not my responsibility nor do I have the authority as I see it. Simply because your asking should be to the Saviour not to me. I am just a tired old sinner myself, guilty of letting lose my anger far too often and with far too much spirit. Far more guilty of said transgressions than you! However to show no hard feelings I will take second seat and accept the offer to make amends in the spirit in which it was given.. I am sure we shall disagree in the future but thats another day., another battle and sharpen your blade because I keep mine razor sharp just in case.-;)-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 114] Author : Drummond Date : 09-14-2012 09:02 PM I Favor the new testament sir because I am Christian; that When there is conflict between the Old and New, I follow the New instruction. Just as i woukdnt expect a jew or a muslim to heed the new testament, perhaps I cannot expect you to either; but that does not diminish what is the fundamental tenet of Christianity: forgiveness. Then let me ask you if you can point to anything which clearly instructs Christians to actually DISMISS, or REJECT, the Old Testament outright. The logic of your position must surely be just that ? Is a hefty chunk of the entire Bible redundant, in your eyes ?? Should it be excised from the Bible as a whole ? Now .. I call that cherrypicking with a vengeance !! Though I especially liked your reference to Matthew 5, let us continue down that tract. You Remind me of those who mocked Jesus on the cross to use his power to free Himself. He forgave them as I forgive you. Why, how very nice of you !! But let me ask: how's that pride coming along ? For you know not what you do. Thine enemy is within yourself, that incarnate propensity to sin-- it's the ugly stepchild of free will. There's no excuse for it, but there is a path to salvation-- I know Him as the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. If you believe in Him, ask yourself, what would Jesus do? Take up a sword? Not 'take up' a sword, no ... though, to quote again from my link ... When Jesus said he did not come to bring peace but a sword, the rest of the verse reveals that it was not literal .. He did at least toy with the idea, it seems. But the link makes clear: using weapons to defend one's family, to defend one's nation, these are NOT off-limits. You merely choose to think so, from what I can see. From a fairly obvious (.. I'd have thought ..) 20th century example .. consider World War II, and all that Hitler did. Consider, in 1940, the UK stood alone, with the prospect of a German invasion expected daily. Now, if Winston Churchill had chosen to be 'confidently passive' and lead accordingly, Hitler would've quickly understood that he could successfully invade us. And he'd have done so, and the evil that was the Third Reich would've grown yet further, despotically ruling with all of its cruelties, killing whatever Jews they could lay their hands on, no doubt. There would've doubtless been a British dimension to the Holocaust .. and instead of the 6 million Jews slaughtered, HOW MANY MORE ? SEVEN MILLION ? TEN MILLION ??? Consider the lack of passivity involved in the Normandy Landings, Logroller. Consider how devoid of passivity the reclaiming of conquered countries was !! BUT, without such actions, Hitler's Reich would've stood unopposed, continuing to murder more and more people. That figure of six million dead, Logroller, would most certainly have grown greater. To have remained passive in spite of all of that would've been disastrous. How can you POSSIBLY conclude that its effect wouldn't have been to let evil triumph over good ?? Getting the picture yet, Logroller ? Do you know Jesus as those who claim to know Muhammed, claiming jihad of the sword against the infidels? It's been done before during the crusades; with papal dispensation for violating Christian principles. Thought we'd been reformed though, Tyr even said so. Great advances to civilization were made possible through that reform; I see it as you, just like fanatical Islamic hadith, seek to ignore one's core beliefs when faced with a trial of faith when it suits some practical carnal interest-- that's not true faith. I can't tell you what's right for you, any more than you can I. But i can tell you the way of the sword has led to far more persecution, death and just all-round evil than Christ ever did. A pretty speech. But my answer to you is just above your quote. You need to understand that, your way, you let evil triumph. And in all honesty, I think that it's personal pride in the stance you take which is preventing you from seeing truths which contravene your prideful preaching. Answer me this, is it better to be persecutor despite your beliefs or persecuted because of them? A loaded question ? I am no persecutor. That is not my position, nor is it Tyr's, I'm sure. If you think otherwise, you've closed your mind to what we've both been trying to say. Here's the reality. Islam is arrogant. It craves universal dominion, and as the actions of its adherents - backed up by Islamic teachings - prove, they'll stop at nothing to get their way. Successful Islamic dominion would be the death of freedoms which we hold to be dear to all that we are. Sharia Law, with all its cruelties, would blight human existence on Earth. No doubt, along the way, Hitler's hoped-for extermination of the Jews would be completed. And, for WHY ? Because, Logroller, it would have been PERMITTED TO HAPPEN .. IF PEOPLE SUCH AS YOU SHOW SUFFICIENT PASSIVITY INSTEAD OF THE NECESSARY RESISTANCE. Now move one step further on, and answer me this ... Isn't it better to kill an evil, rather than allow its victory ? Doctors don't approach aggressive cancers with totally 'passive' treatments, Logroller, nor do they opt, if they can help it, just to stave off the worst effects short of a cure. No, their mandate is clear ... as healers, their duty is to KILL the INVADING ORGANISM .. since nothing else will do !! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 115] Author : logroller Date : 09-14-2012 09:10 PM Not quite sure how literally to take your message, but, Logroller, at least you are willing to make progress. None of us is free from sin .. we cannot be. But I'd like to hope that you can build on what progress your message to Tyr indicates, and see that pride can blind you to truth. I think you approach your 'passive' stance as something to take pride in. Am I right ? And if so, is that pride a good thing ? If NOT ... and surely you must agree that such pride is wrong ... then where is it leading you ? Literally? As opposed to figurative? Most progress comes from failure. The global supremacy of the West is failing. I'm not talking about bombs and bullets but, rather, ethical truth. We have distanced ourselves from the wholesome values which brought us such greatness during the early/mid 20th century. Worked out great until the dictatorships we installed began failing and the trained fanatical terrorist we now face turned upon the hand that fed them. (not literally, we gave them weapons and training). I take no pride in that. No pride at all. If I was to pursue pride I'd pander to the crowd, shower the world with passionate calls for mutual and necessary defense of self, us or them, now or never, live or die...pretty much any rhetoric to distract me from the culpability We, (our govts, really) share in creating something which ended up biting us in the...assuredly I'd have an easier go and far less grief. All I'm saying is being prideful isn't really my MO. (If you must know, its gluttony) Who gets more resistance here, you or I, and why is that? It could be I'm wrong, but then all that I believe in, my faith in God and Christ is wrong. If that be the case, then are not our western values, having petitioned to divine providence, wrong too? Look to the history of great civilizations and their fall, and in most every case it was a distancing from their core values. Political expedience took priority over faithful service. So I must ask, do you believe the West is righteous in the eyes of God? I don't think we are. I don't think Islamic terrorists are either. But they do appear to trying, just failing, as would anyone who believe God's wrath is to be applied by man. But there will be progress from that failure; those who live by love, will spread their love; those who live by the sword will die the sword. I hope to play a role in that progress as a beacon of love, and not the antithesis of religions' outdated pervasions of bloodlust. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 116] Author : Missileman Date : 09-14-2012 09:14 PM Then let me ask you if you can point to anything which clearly instructs Christians to actually DISMISS, or REJECT, the Old Testament outright. The logic of your position must surely be just that ? Is a hefty chunk of the entire Bible redundant, in your eyes ?? Should it be excised from the Bible as a whole ? Now .. I call that cherrypicking with a vengeance !! Why, how very nice of you !! But let me ask: how's that pride coming along ? Not 'take up' a sword, no ... though, to quote again from my link ... He did at least toy with the idea, it seems. But the link makes clear: using weapons to defend one's family, to defend one's nation, these are NOT off-limits. You merely choose to think so, from what I can see. From a fairly obvious (.. I'd have thought ..) 20th century example .. consider World War II, and all that Hitler did. Consider, in 1940, the UK stood alone, with the prospect of a German invasion expected daily. Now, if Winston Churchill had chosen to be 'confidently passive' and lead accordingly, Hitler would've quickly understood that he could successfully invade us. And he'd have done so, and the evil that was the Third Reich would've grown yet further, despotically ruling with all of its cruelties, killing whatever Jews they could lay their hands on, no doubt. There would've doubtless been a British dimension to the Holocaust .. and instead of the 6 million Jews slaughtered, HOW MANY MORE ? SEVEN MILLION ? TEN MILLION ??? Consider the lack of passivity involved in the Normandy Landings, Logroller. Consider how devoid of passivity the reclaiming of conquered countries was !! BUT, without such actions, Hitler's Reich would've stood unopposed, continuing to murder more and more people. That figure of six million dead, Logroller, would most certainly have grown greater. To have remained passive in spite of all of that would've been disastrous. How can you POSSIBLY conclude that its effect wouldn't have been to let evil triumph over good ?? Getting the picture yet, Logroller ? A pretty speech. But my answer to you is just above your quote. You need to understand that, your way, you let evil triumph. And in all honesty, I think that it's personal pride in the stance you take which is preventing you from seeing truths which contravene your prideful preaching. A loaded question ? I am no persecutor. That is not my position, nor is it Tyr's, I'm sure. If you think otherwise, you've closed your mind to what we've both been trying to say. Here's the reality. Islam is arrogant. It craves universal dominion, and as the actions of its adherents - backed up by Islamic teachings - prove, they'll stop at nothing to get their way. Successful Islamic dominion would be the death of freedoms which we hold to be dear to all that we are. Sharia Law, with all its cruelties, would blight human existence on Earth. No doubt, along the way, Hitler's hoped-for extermination of the Jews would be completed. And, for WHY ? Because, Logroller, it would have been PERMITTED TO HAPPEN .. IF PEOPLE SUCH AS YOU SHOW SUFFICIENT PASSIVITY INSTEAD OF THE NECESSARY RESISTANCE. Now move one step further on, and answer me this ... Isn't it better to kill an evil, rather than allow its victory ? Doctors don't approach aggressive cancers with totally 'passive' treatments, Logroller, nor do they opt, if they can help it, just to stave off the worst effects short of a cure. No, their mandate is clear ... as healers, their duty is to KILL the INVADING ORGANISM .. since nothing else will do !! Your post, as well as several others in this thread, begs the question: What if they are right? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 117] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-14-2012 09:36 PM Your post, as well as several others in this thread, begs the question: What if they are right? Islam teaches that man can create/earn his own salvation by deeds, by blind obedience not by --faith repenting and asking for forgiveness then accepting it as the gift, a blessing given from God thru Jesus his son. Islam also teaches that murder is right. That enslavement is right. They are not right, my vote on it. You are welcome to yours. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 118] Author : Drummond Date : 09-14-2012 09:57 PM Islam teaches that man can create/earn his own salvation by deeds, by blind obedience not by --faith repenting and asking for forgiveness then accepting it as the gift, a blessing given from God thru Jesus his son. Islam also teaches that murder is right. That enslavement is right. They are not right, my vote on it. You are welcome to yours. -Tyr Exactly, Tyr. The notion that Islam could possibly be right is ludicrous. If they're right, then what we believe in must be wrong. Freedom is wrong ? Valuing life is wrong ? Sheer decency is wrong ? Terrorism, presumably, is a JUST act ??!!???? 9/11 was 'right and proper' ??? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 119] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-14-2012 10:28 PM Exactly, Tyr. The notion that Islam could possibly be right is ludicrous. If they're right, then what we believe in must be wrong. Freedom is wrong ? Valuing life is wrong ? Sheer decency is wrong ? Terrorism, presumably, is a JUST act ??!!???? 9/11 was 'right and proper' ??? Surely America has lost its way but that gives no credibilty to Islam. It is however a great weakness that Islam seeks to exploit. America still is by and large as ignorant about Islam's true nature as are gorillas knowing about rocket science. Still gullible enough to by and large buy into the great lie that it is a religion of peace. And buy into it with all the massive evidence refuting that lie. 19,000+ Islamic terrorist attacks and counting still the lie exists and is widely accepted.. Also where has been Islam muslim defenders on this thread ? Have I missed their brilliant refutation of my opening composition? Too much truth is hard to go up against. America is under attack here and now! CAIR and other muslim groups are active doing just that. We are stil to powerful, they are playing it slower and safer here than they did in Britain my friend, we are armed with the Constitution, a much harder nut to crack.--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 120] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-14-2012 10:42 PM Forrest---trees. :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 121] Author : Missileman Date : 09-14-2012 10:55 PM Islam teaches that man can create/earn his own salvation by deeds, by blind obedience not by --faith repenting and asking for forgiveness then accepting it as the gift, a blessing given from God thru Jesus his son. Islam also teaches that murder is right. That enslavement is right. They are not right, my vote on it. You are welcome to yours. -Tyr It appears the point escaped you. I'm also reasonably certain that the veracity of any given religion isn't determined by a vote. Whether Islam, Christianity, or neither is correct is not dependent on what you believe. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 122] Author : Missileman Date : 09-14-2012 11:02 PM If they're right, then what we believe in must be wrong. Ding Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! Look, I'm not saying they're right, only that the possibility that they are is just as likely as the possibility that you are. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 123] Author : fj1200 Date : 09-14-2012 11:20 PM Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts. Wow, is this broken record still playing? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 124] Author : gabosaurus Date : 09-14-2012 11:40 PM Wow, is this broken record still playing? It keeps skipping. :laugh: Everyone who has strong beliefs thinks they are right. The fundamentalists believe they are right because that is all they have ever been taught. They live in a society of controlled thought. There is no other side. The only truly enlightened people are those who acknowledge the existence of both sides. If you close off your mind and only consider one side, what makes you any better than a terrorist? If this confuses you, forget it and go back to watching wrestling on TV. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 125] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-15-2012 09:15 AM It appears the point escaped you. I'm also reasonably certain that the veracity of any given religion isn't determined by a vote. Whether Islam, Christianity, or neither is correct is not dependent on what you believe. TRUTH IS TRUTH REGARDLESS IF NONE BELIEVE IT OR ALL BELIEVE IT. However I get to decide what I believe is true , as do we all. Since it was obvious that I was not casting an actual ballot but rather speaking of my belief about the veracity of Islam and if they right in their world domination campaign why do you feel the need to restate the obvious? Was my answer about my belief too vague? Or just to pointed?--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 126] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-15-2012 09:38 AM Wow, is this broken record still playing? On and on and on and on and--- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 127] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-15-2012 10:05 AM On and on and on and on and--- Truth stands eternal. Dont like it , stop reading and replying to this thread or keep on posting juvenile bitching complaints that it is being discussed here and now. Over 124 replies and over a 1000 views in less than 3 days clearly point out that it interests others here. And has led to some interesting debating. Quite a bit of good information has been shared here as well. Your attempts to censor criticism of Islam by any means you can use is so noted.. The fact that we discuss a very relevant and dire threat to our nation seems to anger or bore you so why participate at all? If you do why not actually attempt to refute the information that points out what they are doing worldwide? Why the snide one liners and juvenile bitching? Yea, I just pulled my blade on you, on guard pedro... or is your scabbard rusted shut!?? Here, just in case you are unfamiliar with the word ,scabbard.. --Tyr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scabbard A scabbard is a sheath for holding a sword, knife, or other large blade. Scabbards have been made of many materials over the millennia, including leather, wood, and metals such as brass or steel. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 128] Author : fj1200 Date : 09-15-2012 10:10 AM Over 124 replies and over a 1000 views in less than 3 days clearly point out that it interests others here. My math shows that the unposted :laugh:s and the :rolleyes:s amount to 876. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 129] Author : Missileman Date : 09-15-2012 10:21 AM However I get to decide what I believe is true , as do we all. As do they. How can you fault them for acting on what they deem true? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 130] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-15-2012 10:22 AM Truth stands eternal. Dont like it , stop reading and replying to this thread or keep on posting juvenile bitching complaints that it is being discussed here and now. Over 124 replies and over a 1000 views in less than 3 days clearly point out that it interests others here. And has led to some interesting debating. Quite a bit of good information has been shared here as well. Your attempts to censor criticism of Islam by any means you can use is so noted.. The fact that we discuss a very relevant and dire threat to our nation seems to anger or bore you so why participate at all? If you do why not actually attempt to refute the information that points out what they are doing worldwide? Why the snide one liners and juvenile bitching? Yea, I just pulled my blade on you, on guard pedro... or is your scabbard rusted shut!?? Here, just in case you are unfamiliar with the word ,scabbard.. --Tyr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scabbard A scabbard is a sheath for holding a sword, knife, or other large blade. Scabbards have been made of many materials over the millennia, including leather, wood, and metals such as brass or steel. bullshit repeated over and over is still bullshit. Your point that Islam is evil has been refuted over and over. Makes for good site traffic tho I guess. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 131] Author : tailfins Date : 09-15-2012 10:30 AM It keeps skipping. :laugh: Everyone who has strong beliefs thinks they are right. The fundamentalists believe they are right because that is all they have ever been taught. They live in a society of controlled thought. There is no other side. The only truly enlightened people are those who acknowledge the existence of both sides. If you close off your mind and only consider one side, what makes you any better than a terrorist? If this confuses you, forget it and go back to watching wrestling on TV. When it comes to getting things done, there is a time to end discussion and act. Otherwise you get paralysis, incompetence and poverty. Either work gets done or time gets wasted reaching "consensus". The job at hand is to neutralize those assisting in plans to harm US citizens and visitors. Endlessly considering differing points view is the path to confusion. It's why small businesses can outperform big business that in turn can outperform government. Nothing motivates like the threat of going broke. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 132] Author : fj1200 Date : 09-15-2012 10:30 AM Makes for good site traffic tho I guess. Well that's certainly true. I think the "Muzzy" thread percentage has risen dramatically since... well, you know. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 133] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-15-2012 10:38 AM When it comes to getting things done, there is a time to end discussion and act. Otherwise you get paralysis, incompetence and poverty. Either work gets done or time gets wasted reaching "consensus". The job at hand is to neutralize those assisting in plans to harm US citizens and visitors. Endlessly considering differing points view is the path to confusion. It's why small businesses can outperform big business that in turn can outperform government. Nothing motivates like the threat of going broke. Bingo---money runs the world. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 134] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-15-2012 10:48 AM As do they. How can you fault them for acting on what they deem true? I can and do because their agenda, their actions include murder and terrorism (Jihad)as the primary tool for advancement and enforcement of the religion. Ignoring the evil inherent in their actions may be convenient but is hardly rational , just, or wise! Certainly not wise as it is in direct opposition to our Western values, Constitutional rights , the Rule of Law,and basic morality. Take their honor killings for example and you will see perfectly well just what is wrong when ignorance and Islam are mixed together. And note the reasons given for such killing. It's all just extremely sick and while you may come upon someone committing such here, and claiming to be Christian, this is so common among Muslims, that it has become a damn a broken record. The US is letting down the system by not heavily screening people seeking entry into this country. This pertains to anyone, particularly Muslims, coming from Muslim dominated countries. Although the majority of Muslims have enough common sense not to indulge in such things. There are more than enough, who actually take such things on a Fundamentalist basis. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 135] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-15-2012 10:54 AM I can and do because their agenda, their actions include murder and terrorism (Jihad)as the primary tool for advancement and enforcement of the religion. Ignoring the evil inherent in their actions may be convenient but is hardly rational , just, or wise! Certainly not wise as it is in direct opposition to our Western values, Constitutional rights , the Rule of Law,and basic morality.-Tyr Islam is not a single unit or belief system. It is practiced differently by different tribes, sects and countries. Treating it as one evil system is proof that you err in judgement. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 136] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-15-2012 11:26 AM As do they. How can you fault them for acting on what they deem true? Then we have stuff like this from those that you apparently think should not be faulted for their beliefs and actions.They are muslims... http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=4849 PA honors terrorist serving 30 life sentences for Passover murders PA minister visits family of terrorist who planned Passover Seder bombing that killed 30 Israelis by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook The Palestinian Authority Minister of Prisoners' Affairs, Issa Karake, visited the family of the terrorist Abbas Al-Sayid who planned the Passover suicide bombing in 2002. Thirty Israelis were killed in the terror attack, when a suicide bomber entered a hotel in Netanya and detonated his bomb during the Passover Seder dinner. Al-Sayid is serving 30 life sentences for planning this attack. Palestinian Media Watch has reported that honoring terrorists is an integral part of PA policy. OR THIS.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377780/London-Taliban-targeting-women-gays-bid-impose-sharia-law.html Saturday, Sep 15 2012 6PM 59°F 9PM 62°F 5-Day Forecast 'Wear a headscarf or we will kill you': How the 'London Taliban' is threatening women and trying to ban gays in bid to impose sharia law By Daily Mail Reporter UPDATED: 06:17 EST, 18 April 2011 ..Women who do not wear headscarves are being threatened with violence and even death by Islamic extremists intent on imposing sharia law on parts of Britain, it was claimed today. Other targets of the 'Talibanesque thugs', being investigated by police in the Tower Hamlets area of London, include homosexuals. Stickers have been plastered on public walls stating: 'Gay free zone. Verily Allah is severe in punishment'. .. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377780/London-Taliban-targeting-women-gays-bid-impose-sharia-law.html#ixzz26YaDudVl -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 137] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-15-2012 11:41 AM OR CONSIDER THIS FROM A MUSLIM THAT BECAME A CHRISTIAN. I think he may know a lot about Islam. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ex-muslim-author-koran-demands-jihad-teaches-believers-to-hate-christians-and-jews/ If Islam has to prosper, be the superior religion, then certain steps must be taken by its followers, including spreading Islam at any cost, including the sword and killing any opposition. So you learn all of these things and then of course you learn that the Koran tells you to hate the Christians and the Jews.” It is these messages that al Fadi desperately wants Americans, among other Westerners, to better understand. To address these issues, he has written a book called ‘The Qur’an Dilemma.” In particular, he believes that the West has been fed a more favorable, less volatile picture of Islam in its entirety. One subject he covers in-depth is the Koran’s call for jihad, or “holy” war, against non-believers. “It is basically a proscriptive demand found in the Koran when it comes to jihad – killing the infidels, spreading Islam until there is no other religion on earth except the religion of Allah,” he explains -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 138] Author : tailfins Date : 09-15-2012 01:15 PM Islam is not a single unit or belief system. It is practiced differently by different tribes, sects and countries. Treating it as one evil system is proof that you err in judgement. Confronting one evil system is a throwback from the Cold War. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 139] Author : aboutime Date : 09-15-2012 01:18 PM Confronting one evil system is a throwback from the Cold War. Guess we can all agree to use that Excuse when talking to the relatives, and friends of those VICTIMS who have been killed? That sounds just like another OBAMA EXCUSE, or method of BLAMING someone else for his Stupidity. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 140] Author : Missileman Date : 09-15-2012 02:52 PM I can and do because their agenda, their actions include murder and terrorism (Jihad)as the primary tool for advancement and enforcement of the religion. Ignoring the evil inherent in their actions may be convenient but is hardly rational , just, or wise! Certainly not wise as it is in direct opposition to our Western values, Constitutional rights , the Rule of Law,and basic morality. Take their honor killings for example and you will see perfectly well just what is wrong when ignorance and Islam are mixed together. And note the reasons given for such killing. It's all just extremely sick and while you may come upon someone committing such here, and claiming to be Christian, this is so common among Muslims, that it has become a damn a broken record. The US is letting down the system by not heavily screening people seeking entry into this country. This pertains to anyone, particularly Muslims, coming from Muslim dominated countries. Although the majority of Muslims have enough common sense not to indulge in such things. There are more than enough, who actually take such things on a Fundamentalist basis. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You still don't get it. What if THEIR god and THEIR holy book IS the truth and they are indeed doing as GOD wants them to? IOW, what if YOU have it wrong? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 141] Author : Missileman Date : 09-15-2012 02:58 PM Then we have stuff like this from those that you apparently think should not be faulted for their beliefs and actions.They are muslims... http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=4849 PA honors terrorist serving 30 life sentences for Passover murders PA minister visits family of terrorist who planned Passover Seder bombing that killed 30 Israelis by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook The Palestinian Authority Minister of Prisoners' Affairs, Issa Karake, visited the family of the terrorist Abbas Al-Sayid who planned the Passover suicide bombing in 2002. Thirty Israelis were killed in the terror attack, when a suicide bomber entered a hotel in Netanya and detonated his bomb during the Passover Seder dinner. Al-Sayid is serving 30 life sentences for planning this attack. Palestinian Media Watch has reported that honoring terrorists is an integral part of PA policy. OR THIS.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377780/London-Taliban-targeting-women-gays-bid-impose-sharia-law.html Saturday, Sep 15 2012 6PM 59°F 9PM 62°F 5-Day Forecast 'Wear a headscarf or we will kill you': How the 'London Taliban' is threatening women and trying to ban gays in bid to impose sharia law By Daily Mail Reporter UPDATED: 06:17 EST, 18 April 2011 ..Women who do not wear headscarves are being threatened with violence and even death by Islamic extremists intent on imposing sharia law on parts of Britain, it was claimed today. Other targets of the 'Talibanesque thugs', being investigated by police in the Tower Hamlets area of London, include homosexuals. Stickers have been plastered on public walls stating: 'Gay free zone. Verily Allah is severe in punishment'. .. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377780/London-Taliban-targeting-women-gays-bid-impose-sharia-law.html#ixzz26YaDudVl Actually, I'm an equal opportunity non-believer...I think you're all full of shit. I would NEVER suggest that someone's actions can be justified because of their beliefs. I was asking YOU the question to see if you might grasp the hypocrisy of your position. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 142] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-15-2012 06:12 PM Actually, I'm an equal opportunity non-believer...I think you're all full of shit. I would NEVER suggest that someone's actions can be justified because of their beliefs. I was asking YOU the question to see if you might grasp the hypocrisy of your position. I may be full of shit if a man may have no absolute in either his principles or his morality. From the subject were are discussing morality hits a bit closer to home. So I will address from that perspective if you do not mind. The way I see it you pose the question that how do I know they are wrong and I am right? As if putting forth this query should prove something, exactly what you think it proves I havent a clue. Unless you think it proves there are no absolutes. Would there being no absolutes prove my beliefs to be hypocrisy? My answer is a simple question , are you sure that there are no absoutes!??;) Sorry, just couldnt help tossing that one in here.;) Can atheists justify any type of morality? Can water really be wet? Can monkees shine shoes?!! In today's culture, the ideal of rejecting principled beliefs to be valid by presenting that there are no absolutes (which negates the entire concept of there being TRUTH) may be appealing to many and a defense against those taking a moral or highly principled stand! Yet, that fails to this old self evident truism. The truth, is the truth, is the TRUTH. Many people find this to be a VERY ENLIGHENING truism, they feel that there is something obvious and right about it and with just cause! However, if you were to survey the latest philosophy journals, you would find no mention of absolute truths and no philosophers intent on demonstrating the existence or nonexistence of this apparent "species of truth". The reason for this is not a lack of interest, on the part of contemporary philosophers, in the issues that people have in mind when they proffer the refutation of principled beliefs with ‘there are no absolute truths’. Philosophers have many things to say about these issues. Rather, the reason why contemporary philosophers do not discuss "absolute truths" is that they find such talk to be the placing of circles into squares out of boredom IMHO! The problem with the concept of "there are no absolute truths" is that it is a catchphrase under which several related but logically distinct ideas are collected. As such, whenever someone uses this concept it is unclear which (or which combination) of these logically distinct ideas they have in mind. Because of the lack of conceptual clarity in the notion absolute truth, contemporary philosophers prefer to avoid it and instead employ terms that capture with more precision the different ideas that people associate with absolute truth. So can we jusify or prove these EXAMPLES (?), - Anything that we take to be true is revisable - We can never have a ‘god’s-eye’ view of the universe - All truths are a matter of opinion - Truth is relative (to culture, historical epoch, language, society etc.) - All the truths that we know are subjective truths (i.e. mind-dependent truths) - There is nothing more to truth than what we are willing to assert as true Each of those examples have been discussed, at one point or another, in contemporary philosophy and each are held or denied with varying degrees of confidence. So my advice is, if every you are tempted to talk about absolute truths you should ask yourself which, if any, of the above ideas you have in mind. All the those given, which are meant to express the negation of the existence of an absolute truth, does not actually refer to the existence of the absolute truth itself. Rather the expressions merely refer to the inability of humans to percieve or recognise absolute truths. I guess this has a lot to do with our semantic definition of what “truth” is though. Now I acknowledge that the concept of “truth” AS has been devised by humans is a very subjective phenomena. However, surely when we refer to “absolute truths” we are referring to the existence of objective facts, in other words, an “objective reality” that exists beyond the human mind. We are not referring to a general consensus that all humans can agree upon to be true… Surely humans do not have to be aware of the existence of these absolute truths and objective facts in order for them to exist? “We can never have a ‘god’s-eye’ view of the universe”!!! My problem with the examples given that express the belief that “there are no absolute truths”. They all refer to our inability to percieve or comprehend absolute truths. But our ignorance does not have anything to do with whether absolute truths actually exist. The truth, the true state of affairs, an objective reality could exist, without us being none the wiser. Or one may intuitively know it and act upon it without the need to prove it to anybody! The existence of absolte truth does exist whether we know it or not, whether we admit it or not. For example: It is true that either that man killed his wife, or that he did not. One or the other. Whether we know whether that man is guilty or innocent, he is definately one or the other. The TRUTH is not dependent on our own personal, subjective opinions. If it were, everything we believe to be true, including whether that man was guilty or not, could be completely arbitrary!! In fact, if there was no “absolute truth”, or facts about the world, to correspond to our beliefs, then truth, absolute or relative, could not exist (according to the correspondance theory). If you maintain that individual truth must a\lways be revisable, but does that really have any impact on the truth about truth? It seems to me, that the thesis for the argument that “there is no absolute truth” can not hold any weight at all. Thus we have your "what if you are wrong" argument , its questioning of what is truth, and the "second guessing ourselves" taken down one of the many million of paths one can easily carry it... If we were to talk about religious morality, I would say that relativism only has one place: it determining which things are okay outside of whatever determines one’s moral code. However, I am of the thought that there is only one correct moral code. Now I realize that there will be many that are within this school of thought that have different moral codes. This is a seemingly a paradox. However, the clear solution is that we must realize that when examined from a pure secularism view, our moral code might be the wrong one. So then debates must be done between the different moral codes to determine which one is the correct one. However, the idea of one person determining morality for themselves and another determining morality for themselves when the two moralities might disagree means that we have actually done away with morality and that we have just welcomed in every person being a walking moral code, which means that morality can never be determined. This means we could never say an action was actually immoral, because to the other person it could have been one of the most moral things they could have done!! This is chaos. Reality does not lend itself to this paradox being valid IMHO. I hereby certify my "absolute belief" that Islam is not right by the ONE TRUE GOD! ;) Or as was cited before by my previous vote...:laugh:--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 143] Author : tailfins Date : 09-15-2012 06:31 PM Guess we can all agree to use that Excuse when talking to the relatives, and friends of those VICTIMS who have been killed? That sounds just like another OBAMA EXCUSE, or method of BLAMING someone else for his Stupidity. Bad information yields bad results. As far as I'm concerned America is the focus. All I care about is properly protect the American people. I don't care about all the strange religions. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 144] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-15-2012 06:36 PM Bad information yields bad results. As far as I'm concerned America is the focus. All I care about is properly protect the American people. I don't care about all the strange religions. Nothing wrong with that as a sole pursuit IMHO..--:beer:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 145] Author : Missileman Date : 09-15-2012 06:51 PM I may be full of shit if a man may have no absolute in either his principles or his morality. From the subject were are discussing morality hits a bit closer to home. So I will address from that perspective if you do not mind. The way I see it you pose the question that how do I know they are wrong and I am right? As if putting forth this query should prove something, exactly what you think it proves I havent a clue. Unless you think it proves there are no absolutes. Would there being no absolutes prove my beliefs to be hypocrisy? My answer is a simple question , are you sure that there are no absoutes!??;) Sorry, just couldnt help tossing that one in here.;) Can atheists justify any type of morality? Can water really be wet? Can monkees shine shoes?!! In today's culture, the ideal of rejecting principled beliefs to be valid by presenting that there are no absolutes (which negates the entire concept of there being TRUTH) may be appealing to many and a defense against those taking a moral or highly principled stand! Yet, that fails to this old self evident truism. The truth, is the truth, is the TRUTH. Many people find this to be a VERY ENLIGHENING truism, they feel that there is something obvious and right about it and with just cause! However, if you were to survey the latest philosophy journals, you would find no mention of absolute truths and no philosophers intent on demonstrating the existence or nonexistence of this apparent "species of truth". The reason for this is not a lack of interest, on the part of contemporary philosophers, in the issues that people have in mind when they proffer the refutation of principled beliefs with ‘there are no absolute truths’. Philosophers have many things to say about these issues. Rather, the reason why contemporary philosophers do not discuss "absolute truths" is that they find such talk to be the placing of circles into squares out of boredom IMHO! The problem with the concept of "there are no absolute truths" is that it is a catchphrase under which several related but logically distinct ideas are collected. As such, whenever someone uses this concept it is unclear which (or which combination) of these logically distinct ideas they have in mind. Because of the lack of conceptual clarity in the notion absolute truth, contemporary philosophers prefer to avoid it and instead employ terms that capture with more precision the different ideas that people associate with absolute truth. So can we jusify or prove these EXAMPLES (?), - Anything that we take to be true is revisable - We can never have a ‘god’s-eye’ view of the universe - All truths are a matter of opinion - Truth is relative (to culture, historical epoch, language, society etc.) - All the truths that we know are subjective truths (i.e. mind-dependent truths) - There is nothing more to truth than what we are willing to assert as true Each of those examples have been discussed, at one point or another, in contemporary philosophy and each are held or denied with varying degrees of confidence. So my advice is, if every you are tempted to talk about absolute truths you should ask yourself which, if any, of the above ideas you have in mind. All the those given, which are meant to express the negation of the existence of an absolute truth, does not actually refer to the existence of the absolute truth itself. Rather the expressions merely refer to the inability of humans to percieve or recognise absolute truths. I guess this has a lot to do with our semantic definition of what “truth” is though. Now I acknowledge that the concept of “truth” AS has been devised by humans is a very subjective phenomena. However, surely when we refer to “absolute truths” we are referring to the existence of objective facts, in other words, an “objective reality” that exists beyond the human mind. We are not referring to a general consensus that all humans can agree upon to be true… Surely humans do not have to be aware of the existence of these absolute truths and objective facts in order for them to exist? “We can never have a ‘god’s-eye’ view of the universe”!!! My problem with the examples given that express the belief that “there are no absolute truths”. They all refer to our inability to percieve or comprehend absolute truths. But our ignorance does not have anything to do with whether absolute truths actually exist. The truth, the true state of affairs, an objective reality could exist, without us being none the wiser. Or one may intuitively know it and act upon it without the need to prove it to anybody! The existence of absolte truth does exist whether we know it or not, whether we admit it or not. For example: It is true that either that man killed his wife, or that he did not. One or the other. Whether we know whether that man is guilty or innocent, he is definately one or the other. The TRUTH is not dependent on our own personal, subjective opinions. If it were, everything we believe to be true, including whether that man was guilty or not, could be completely arbitrary!! In fact, if there was no “absolute truth”, or facts about the world, to correspond to our beliefs, then truth, absolute or relative, could not exist (according to the correspondance theory). If you maintain that individual truth must a\lways be revisable, but does that really have any impact on the truth about truth? It seems to me, that the thesis for the argument that “there is no absolute truth” can not hold any weight at all. Thus we have your "what if you are wrong" argument , its questioning of what is truth, and the "second guessing ourselves" taken down one of the many million of paths one can easily carry it... If we were to talk about religious morality, I would say that relativism only has one place: it determining which things are okay outside of whatever determines one’s moral code. However, I am of the thought that there is only one correct moral code. Now I realize that there will be many that are within this school of thought that have different moral codes. This is a seemingly a paradox. However, the clear solution is that we must realize that when examined from a pure secularism view, our moral code might be the wrong one. So then debates must be done between the different moral codes to determine which one is the correct one. However, the idea of one person determining morality for themselves and another determining morality for themselves when the two moralities might disagree means that we have actually done away with morality and that we have just welcomed in every person being a walking moral code, which means that morality can never be determined. This means we could never say an action was actually immoral, because to the other person it could have been one of the most moral things they could have done!! This is chaos. Reality does not lend itself to this paradox being valid IMHO. I hereby certify my "absolute belief" that Islam is not right by the ONE TRUE GOD! ;) Or as was cited before by my previous vote...:laugh:--Tyr Their conviction is as strong as yours. Yours and their conviction is as strong as that held in the past by Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Norsemen, etc. Hypothetically, if Islam is the truth and they are indeed following god's directive, are they acting morally? If it turns out that both Christianity and Islam are fairy tales, is your Christian morality superior to Islam's? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 146] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-15-2012 07:49 PM Their conviction is as strong as yours. Yours and their conviction is as strong as that held in the past by Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Norsemen, etc. Hypothetically, if Islam is the truth and they are indeed following god's directive, are they acting morally? If it turns out that both Christianity and Islam are fairy tales, is your Christian morality superior to Islam's? Why limit it to "christian" morality? Is my --morality-- superior to those that rape, pillage and murder to further their "insane" devotion to a God that they believe grants them that right? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply because I know those actions are evil and they actively pursue such actions against innocent women and children therby compounding the evil. Sure, its a judgement call , as are all decisions made on moral principles.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 147] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-15-2012 08:08 PM Why limit it to "christian" morality? Is my --morality-- superior to those that rape, pillage and murder to further their "insane" devotion to a God that they believe grants them that right? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply because I know those actions are evil and they actively pursue such actions against innocent women and children therby compounding the evil. Sure, its a judgement call , as are all decisions made on moral principles.-Tyr We have prisons chock full of people who have done the same thing in America. Can't rattle off the stats for ya but I'm batting a majority are listed as having no religion or Christians. It's criminal behavior, not a religion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 148] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-15-2012 08:17 PM We have prisons chock full of people who have done the same thing in America. Can't rattle off the stats for ya but I'm batting a majority are listed as having no religion or Christians. It's criminal behavior, not a religion. Good to know that doing those things to further a religion is "just" criminal behaviour. Tell me how many ordinary run of the mill criminals are actively carrying a prayer rug, murdering innocent people and chanting Allah Akbar? According to you one can not murder for a religious cause!! They are lying bastards when citing why they are doing that! Got a link to support in anyway this amazing revelation?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 149] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-15-2012 08:31 PM Good to know that doing those things to further a religion is "just" criminal behaviour. Tell me how many ordinary run of the mill criminals are actively carrying a prayer rug, murdering innocent people and chanting Allah Akbar? According to you one can not murder for a religious cause!! They are lying bastards when citing why they are doing that! Got a link to support in anyway this amazing revelation?-Tyr Sure they can. Remember the Crusades ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 150] Author : Missileman Date : 09-15-2012 10:41 PM Why limit it to "christian" morality? Is my --morality-- superior to those that rape, pillage and murder to further their "insane" devotion to a God that they believe grants them that right? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply because I know those actions are evil and they actively pursue such actions against innocent women and children therby compounding the evil. Sure, its a judgement call , as are all decisions made on moral principles.-Tyr Assuming of course that they aren't actually acting under divine guidance. Under those circumstances, their actions would be moral, no? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 151] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-15-2012 10:58 PM Assuming of course that they aren't actually acting under divine guidance. Under those circumstances, their actions would be moral, no? That is assuming of course that that God needed humans to murder for him. Thought that you were agnostic? The true God allowed his son to be murdered by man , a sacrifice to pay the price for man's soul , the gift offered as reward to Christ for that act was Salvation for man. That God has no need for men to kill in his name, rather onlyto live in his name. Man has need to kill for his own greed ,desires and vanity. I am not a big supporter of turn the other cheek myself. I have the weakness of desire for vengeance. I remember clearly the events of one day , 9/11. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 152] Author : Missileman Date : 09-16-2012 12:27 AM That is assuming of course that that God needed humans to murder for him. Thought that you were agnostic? The true God allowed his son to be murdered by man , a sacrifice to pay the price for man's soul , the gift offered as reward to Christ for that act was Salvation for man. That God has no need for men to kill in his name, rather onlyto live in his name. Man has need to kill for his own greed ,desires and vanity. I am not a big supporter of turn the other cheek myself. I have the weakness of desire for vengeance. I remember clearly the events of one day , 9/11. -Tyr Why won't you answer my question? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 153] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 09:39 AM Why won't you answer my question? I already answered this , "what if question" asked by you. You still don't get it. What if THEIR god and THEIR holy book IS the truth and they are indeed doing as GOD wants them to? IOW, what if YOU have it wrong? Because "what if questions" like that bare no significant relation to the topic being discussed. One could imagine millions of "what if" questions. What if Michelle tried to divorce obama before the elections were held!?? SEE. The subject of this thread is Islam and its past, present and possible future actions , not Christianity, God or what if cows could fly?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 154] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-16-2012 10:10 AM So let me get this straight. Your claim is that all muslims want to take over the world and will murder to accomplish that. Correct ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 155] Author : Missileman Date : 09-16-2012 10:14 AM I already answered this , "what if question" asked by you. Because "what if questions" like that bare no significant relation to the topic being discussed. One could imagine millions of "what if" questions. What if Michelle tried to divorce obama before the elections were held!?? SEE. The subject of this thread is Islam and its past, present and possible future actions , not Christianity, God or what if cows could fly?-Tyr And the question, which ABSOLUTELY is valid, is "if their god exists and sanctions their actions, are Muslims acting morally?" It's a simple question and you've yet to answer it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 156] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 10:35 AM And the question, which ABSOLUTELY is valid, is "if their god exists and sanctions their actions, are Muslims acting morally?" It's a simple question and you've yet to answer it. Ok, you keep repeating the question so I'll repeat my answer already given to you. Originally Posted by Missileman Actually, I'm an equal opportunity non-believer...I think you're all full of shit. I would NEVER suggest that someone's actions can be justified because of their beliefs. I was asking YOU the question to see if you might grasp the hypocrisy of your position. I may be full of shit if a man may have no absolute in either his principles or his morality. From the subject were are discussing morality hits a bit closer to home. So I will address from that perspective if you do not mind. The way I see it you pose the question that how do I know they are wrong and I am right? As if putting forth this query should prove something, exactly what you think it proves I havent a clue. Unless you think it proves there are no absolutes. Would there being no absolutes prove my beliefs to be hypocrisy? My answer is a simple question , are you sure that there are no absoutes!?? Sorry, just couldnt help tossing that one in here. Can atheists justify any type of morality? Can water really be wet? Can monkees shine shoes?!! In today's culture, the ideal of rejecting principled beliefs to be valid by presenting that there are no absolutes (which negates the entire concept of there being TRUTH) may be appealing to many and a defense against those taking a moral or highly principled stand! Yet, that fails to this old self evident truism. The truth, is the truth, is the TRUTH. Many people find this to be a VERY ENLIGHENING truism, they feel that there is something obvious and right about it and with just cause! However, if you were to survey the latest philosophy journals, you would find no mention of absolute truths and no philosophers intent on demonstrating the existence or nonexistence of this apparent "species of truth". The reason for this is not a lack of interest, on the part of contemporary philosophers, in the issues that people have in mind when they proffer the refutation of principled beliefs with ‘there are no absolute truths’. Philosophers have many things to say about these issues. Rather, the reason why contemporary philosophers do not discuss "absolute truths" is that they find such talk to be the placing of circles into squares out of boredom IMHO! The problem with the concept of "there are no absolute truths" is that it is a catchphrase under which several related but logically distinct ideas are collected. As such, whenever someone uses this concept it is unclear which (or which combination) of these logically distinct ideas they have in mind. Because of the lack of conceptual clarity in the notion absolute truth, contemporary philosophers prefer to avoid it and instead employ terms that capture with more precision the different ideas that people associate with absolute truth. So can we jusify or prove these EXAMPLES (?), - Anything that we take to be true is revisable - We can never have a ‘god’s-eye’ view of the universe - All truths are a matter of opinion - Truth is relative (to culture, historical epoch, language, society etc.) - All the truths that we know are subjective truths (i.e. mind-dependent truths) - There is nothing more to truth than what we are willing to assert as true Each of those examples have been discussed, at one point or another, in contemporary philosophy and each are held or denied with varying degrees of confidence. So my advice is, if every you are tempted to talk about absolute truths you should ask yourself which, if any, of the above ideas you have in mind. All the those given, which are meant to express the negation of the existence of an absolute truth, does not actually refer to the existence of the absolute truth itself. Rather the expressions merely refer to the inability of humans to percieve or recognise absolute truths. I guess this has a lot to do with our semantic definition of what “truth” is though. Now I acknowledge that the concept of “truth” AS has been devised by humans is a very subjective phenomena. However, surely when we refer to “absolute truths” we are referring to the existence of objective facts, in other words, an “objective reality” that exists beyond the human mind. We are not referring to a general consensus that all humans can agree upon to be true… Surely humans do not have to be aware of the existence of these absolute truths and objective facts in order for them to exist? “We can never have a ‘god’s-eye’ view of the universe”!!! My problem with the examples given that express the belief that “there are no absolute truths”. They all refer to our inability to percieve or comprehend absolute truths. But our ignorance does not have anything to do with whether absolute truths actually exist. The truth, the true state of affairs, an objective reality could exist, without us being none the wiser. Or one may intuitively know it and act upon it without the need to prove it to anybody! The existence of absolte truth does exist whether we know it or not, whether we admit it or not. For example: It is true that either that man killed his wife, or that he did not. One or the other. Whether we know whether that man is guilty or innocent, he is definately one or the other. The TRUTH is not dependent on our own personal, subjective opinions. If it were, everything we believe to be true, including whether that man was guilty or not, could be completely arbitrary!! In fact, if there was no “absolute truth”, or facts about the world, to correspond to our beliefs, then truth, absolute or relative, could not exist (according to the correspondance theory). If you maintain that individual truth must a\lways be revisable, but does that really have any impact on the truth about truth? It seems to me, that the thesis for the argument that “there is no absolute truth” can not hold any weight at all. Thus we have your "what if you are wrong" argument , its questioning of what is truth, and the "second guessing ourselves" taken down one of the many million of paths one can easily carry it... If we were to talk about religious morality, I would say that relativism only has one place: it determining which things are okay outside of whatever determines one’s moral code. However, I am of the thought that there is only one correct moral code. Now I realize that there will be many that are within this school of thought that have different moral codes. This is a seemingly a paradox. However, the clear solution is that we must realize that when examined from a pure secularism view, our moral code might be the wrong one. So then debates must be done between the different moral codes to determine which one is the correct one. However, the idea of one person determining morality for themselves and another determining morality for themselves when the two moralities might disagree means that we have actually done away with morality and that we have just welcomed in every person being a walking moral code, which means that morality can never be determined. This means we could never say an action was actually immoral, because to the other person it could have been one of the most moral things they could have done!! This is chaos. Reality does not lend itself to this paradox being valid IMHO. I hereby certify my "absolute belief" that Islam is not right by the ONE TRUE GOD! Or as was cited before by my previous vote...--Tyr If you need another different answer, you'll have to ask a different question..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 157] Author : Missileman Date : 09-16-2012 11:11 AM Ok, you keep repeating the question so I'll repeat my answer already given to you. You still haven't answered my question. All the typing you're doing is a smokescreen for dodging it. Your answer should be either yes or no with an explanation of why if you choose to expound. Are you afraid to answer it? I can certainly understand why you would be. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 158] Author : tailfins Date : 09-16-2012 11:23 AM So let me get this straight. Your claim is that all muslims want to take over the world and will murder to accomplish that. Correct ? Naw. I think I met a Muslim convenience store owner in Skowhegan, Maine that wouldn't do that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 159] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 11:32 AM bullshit repeated over and over is still bullshit. Your point that Islam is evil has been refuted over and over.Makes for good site traffic tho I guess. Missed this post. I hate that! Refuted by who, when , where and how? You just stated obviously your opinion on Islam representing it as a solid fact. How about some proof of that bullshat!!??--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 160] Author : tailfins Date : 09-16-2012 11:43 AM Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post bullshit repeated over and over is still bullshit. Your point that Islam is evil has been refuted over and over.Makes for good site traffic tho I guess. Missed this post. I hate that! Refuted by who, when , where and how? You just stated obviously your opinion on Islam representing it as a solid fact. How about some proof of that bullshat!!??--Tyr Evil is a value judgement, so I will put it this way: The vast majority if not all the foreign perpetrators of terrorist attacks against Americans have been Muslim. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 161] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 11:45 AM You still haven't answered my question. All the typing you're doing is a smokescreen for dodging it. Your answer should be either yes or no with an explanation of why if you choose to expound. Are you afraid to answer it? I can certainly understand why you would be. So what? Are you demanding that I give a different answer to your "what if" question? If so then consider this ; -----------------"WHAT IF I CHOOSE NOT TO ANSWER A THIRD TIME"!!?? -----------------"WHAT IF I JUST REPEAT MY PREVIOUS ANSWER"!!??? -----------------"WHAT IF YOU ASK QUESTIONS RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC"!!?? AND , "WHAT IF" A "WHAT IF" QUESTION BEGETS A "WHAT IF " ANSWER????;)--TYR "What if" you cite proof of thier being right, of their murderous actions being justified and sanctioned by God, any God will do. This could be played on and on and on.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 162] Author : Drummond Date : 09-16-2012 01:31 PM I have a 'what if' question to offer as well. What if 'Missileman' is just here to troll ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 163] Author : Drummond Date : 09-16-2012 01:33 PM Naw. I think I met a Muslim convenience store owner in Skowhegan, Maine that wouldn't do that. You think he might be too busy running his store ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 164] Author : Missileman Date : 09-16-2012 01:36 PM So what? Are you demanding that I give a different answer to your "what if" question? If so then consider this ; -----------------"WHAT IF I CHOOSE NOT TO ANSWER A THIRD TIME"!!?? -----------------"WHAT IF I JUST REPEAT MY PREVIOUS ANSWER"!!??? -----------------"WHAT IF YOU ASK QUESTIONS RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC"!!?? AND , "WHAT IF" A "WHAT IF" QUESTION BEGETS A "WHAT IF " ANSWER????;)--TYR "What if" you cite proof of thier being right, of their murderous actions being justified and sanctioned by God, any God will do. This could be played on and on and on.. More dodging...you ARE afraid to answer the question. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 165] Author : Drummond Date : 09-16-2012 01:47 PM Islam is not a single unit or belief system. It is practiced differently by different tribes, sects and countries. Treating it as one evil system is proof that you err in judgement. We've seen in just the past few days how willing Muslims are to attack others, and kill people, in response to a video they didn't like. Were/are those attacks limited just to one 'tribe' in Islam, or even one country ?? Now compare that to the Christian equivalent, and let's say that Muslims created a video, posted it on YouTube (.. and do you imagine they HAVEN'T ?) which Christians would regard as a great insult to Christianity. Tell me, what 'tribes' or 'sects' within Christianity would duplicate the evil you've seen played out in these recent days ?? Would Anglicans ? Baptists ? Methodists ? Lutherans ? Presbyterians ? Catholics ? ANYONE ? Dilloduck, Muslims have behaved as they have because Islam encourages it .. this is obvious. You see no evidence of any such equivalent in Christianity, however. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 166] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 01:50 PM I have a 'what if' question to offer as well. What if 'Missileman' is just here to troll ? Apparently his mission is to prove me hypocritical in my stand taken on Islam and its threat. As if posing a "WHAT IF" question could prove that, negate truth and disprove the existence of absolutes. Perhaps he wants to prove my faith in my judgement and core principles backing that judgement are figments of my imagination because TRUTH is always an evolving concept. I dont know his aim in taking this line but demanding a different answer that the one given proves nothing but a failure to address and/or refute the points made in that answer as it was given ! Criticising the length of my answer proves nothing. I was polite enough to suggest that he ask a different question to get a different answer. Yet he apparently thinks my answer counts as zero therefor I must give a different one. He will soon find out that I dont bend to such demands and those demands do not serve to prove hypocrisy on my part, nor that I am full of shit as he so cleverly put it. Islam and its threat is the subject not "what if" flights of fantasy that serve to prove nothing..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 167] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 01:59 PM More dodging...you ARE afraid to answer the question. Good grief man, I already answered it. You just didnt like my answer SO you kept on rephrasing the question hoping for a different answer .. Now when not getting one you play "he is afraid card" as if that will make me choose to answer in a manner and way that you deem appropriate. What if you stop this little charade and address why you think they are just as likely to be right? Could it be because then you would have to defend thier murderous action?--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 168] Author : Kathianne Date : 09-16-2012 02:09 PM And the question, which ABSOLUTELY is valid, is "if their god exists and sanctions their actions, are Muslims acting morally?" It's a simple question and you've yet to answer it. I'll take a stab at answering the question. We both know you are agnostic or atheist, right? So in this hypothetical, you agree that for Muslims, Allah is god. The quibble isn't whether or not a god exists, it's whether or not the Muslims are acting morally, as they perceive their moral obligation to said god? If the Koran and its 'extensions' say that killing infidels; committing suicide to kill civilians, including most fellow Muslims in order to please Allah and gain more believers if fine and dandy, then I would answer, "Yes, it's moral in their eyes." Problem comes with the number of Muslims that say, "No, this is not permitted by the Holy Koran, it's wrong", though they go onto say that because so many are illiterate, because of the cartoons/videos, people are offended and are behaving badly, etc. Thus, they can 'empathize' with the terrorists, while denouncing them. I wish I had the time to study the Koran, Hadiths, and other holy writings to Islam. I'm pretty sure though that my time is running out to getting around to that in a serious way. From what limited amounts I have read, there seems to be many contradictions; sort of like the New and Old Testaments. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 169] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-16-2012 02:11 PM Missed this post. I hate that! Refuted by who, when , where and how? You just stated obviously your opinion on Islam representing it as a solid fact. How about some proof of that bullshat!!??--Tyr No--I'm just pointing out the many holes in the theory you are so fond of. If you want to be the judge as to whether your theory is rock solid or not go for it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 170] Author : Missileman Date : 09-16-2012 02:14 PM Good grief man, I already answered it. You just didnt like my answer SO you kept on rephrasing the question hoping for a different answer .. Now when not getting one you play "he is afraid card" as if that will make me choose to answer in a manner and way that you deem appropriate. What if you stop this little charade and address why you think they are just as likely to be right? Could it be because then you would have to defend thier murderous action?--Tyr You haven't answered it. You've gone to great lengths to explain how Christianity is different than Islam, but you've yet to answer if Muslims are acting morally if you're wrong, they're right and acting as their deity wishes for them to. You sound like Holder responding to Congress about Fast and Furious e-mails. "I've given you 10,000 documents, I am fully cooperating"...of course, the e-mails aren't contained in the 10,000 documents. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 171] Author : Kathianne Date : 09-16-2012 02:21 PM You haven't answered it. You've gone to great lengths to explain how Christianity is different than Islam, but you've yet to answer if Muslims are acting morally if you're wrong, they're right and acting as their deity wishes for them to. You sound like Holder responding to Congress about Fast and Furious e-mails. "I've given you 10,000 documents, I am fully cooperating"...of course, the e-mails aren't contained in the 10,000 documents. I agree that just saying, "Islam is a lie, sucks, etc." isn't a move towards bridging anything. I concede that if they are acting in accordance with the teachings, they certainly would be acting in a moral fashion, though they have to deal with 'man' on earth, not their god. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 172] Author : Drummond Date : 09-16-2012 02:30 PM You haven't answered it. You've gone to great lengths to explain how Christianity is different than Islam, but you've yet to answer if Muslims are acting morally if you're wrong, they're right and acting as their deity wishes for them to. You sound like Holder responding to Congress about Fast and Furious e-mails. "I've given you 10,000 documents, I am fully cooperating"...of course, the e-mails aren't contained in the 10,000 documents. I for one don't believe your proposition holds water. It's like saying that savagery is one person's evil but the savage's good. Or, that to a criminal, criminality is good but to other people, it's bad. God saying that savagery is good, is nonsense. God saying that criminality is good, is nonsense. Do you imagine that God created the Universe, and everything in it, just so that criminality could thrive within it ? To Islamists, such a God can exist. They built a religion, and are loyal to it, which sanctions savagery. Their God is evidently false .. a nonsense. But they want to spread their evil all the same. Was 9/11 'good', Missileman ? Were the 3,000 who died required to die on God's orders ... is that your suggestion ? If it is .. you should rethink your insult .. that's my suggestion. And if it's not .. then on what possible basis do you suggest the remotest possibility of Islam being 'right' ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 173] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 02:36 PM You haven't answered it. You've gone to great lengths to explain how Christianity is different than Islam, but you've yet to answer if Muslims are acting morally if you're wrong, they're right and acting as their deity wishes for them to. You sound like Holder responding to Congress about Fast and Furious e-mails. "I've given you 10,000 documents, I am fully cooperating"...of course, the e-mails aren't contained in the 10,000 documents. I do not give a damn what is moral to a group of people that deliberately and repeatedly murder innnocent women and children! Who cares if thier imagined version of a god sanctions it? I spit on any such god! I deal in reality and reality is that they murder innocent women and children with delight and joy in thier perverted and wicked hearts. Your hypothetical question on morality is irrelevant IMHO. I GAVE IT THE ANSWER THAT I THOUGHT BEST. We could discuss billions of hypotheticals but to what purpose? So you can what, force me to admit a possibility of their being right and my being wrong. And if I choose not to admit that, it proves exactly what? I simply choose not to second guess a decision I made after careful and long research . So you can keep stroking this pole until you get your own satisfaction but I refuse to help you in such mental masturbation.. You got my answer, dont like it , make up one yourself. This is my last post to you dealing with this "what if" flight of fantasy. Islam is savage, murderous and wrong...-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 174] Author : Missileman Date : 09-16-2012 02:41 PM I'll take a stab at answering the question. We both know you are agnostic or atheist, right? So in this hypothetical, you agree that for Muslims, Allah is god. The quibble isn't whether or not a god exists, it's whether or not the Muslims are acting morally, as they perceive their moral obligation to said god? If the Koran and its 'extensions' say that killing infidels; committing suicide to kill civilians, including most fellow Muslims in order to please Allah and gain more believers then I would answer, "Yes, it's moral in their eyes." Problem comes with the number of Muslims that say, "No, this is not permitted by the Holy Koran, it's wrong", though they go onto say that because so many are illiterate, because of the cartoons/videos, people are offended and are behaving badly, etc. Thus, the can 'empathize' with the terrorists, while denouncing them. Thanks Kathianne...you're the first to actually answer my question. And you understand the point I'm making. Not that I believe it's the case, but I would further argue that if it turns out the Islamic fundies have it right, that Allah is God and the Koran's passages about killing infidels were divinely inspired and speak to Allah's wishes, then not only do they believe they're acting morally, but if as it's been suggested, morals are derived from god, then they are indeed acting morally. Tyr's of the opinion that Christian morality is the only valid morality because it's what he believes. He doesn't seem to grasp that Muslims hold the exact same opinion of their morality and up until the day that one or both or none are proven real, they have EQUAL claim to the moral high ground. This is not an indorsement of Islam nor a knock on Christianity. I don't believe in either. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 175] Author : Missileman Date : 09-16-2012 02:51 PM I for one don't believe your proposition holds water. It's like saying that savagery is one person's evil but the savage's good. Or, that to a criminal, criminality is good but to other people, it's bad. God saying that savagery is good, is nonsense. God saying that criminality is good, is nonsense. Do you imagine that God created the Universe, and everything in it, just so that criminality could thrive within it ? Just to be clear, I'm an atheist, so my answer to your question is no, but not for the reason you think. Their God is evidently false .. a nonsense. No less so than yours. Was 9/11 'good', Missileman ? Were the 3,000 who died required to die on God's orders ... is that your suggestion ? If it is .. you should rethink your insult .. that's my suggestion. And if it's not .. then on what possible basis do you suggest the remotest possibility of Islam being 'right' ? Assume that Allah is real and the Koran is divinely inspired, then ask Allah. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 176] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 02:54 PM Somebody clearly missed my comments on Truth and Absolutes! The Truth is absolute.. otherwise the Universe would not exist. We may be absolutely sure that a - TRUTH- we know is both absolute and true but if we ARE found to wrong it does not negate the TRUTH that was still there even though we failed either to find it or admit it.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 177] Author : Missileman Date : 09-16-2012 03:01 PM Somebody clearly missed my comments on Truth and Absolutes! The Truth is absolute.. otherwise the Universe would not exist. We may be absolutely sure that a - TRUTH- we know is both absolute and true but if we ARE found to wrong it does not negate the TRUTH that was still there even though we failed either to find it or admit it.-Tyr The truth is indeed an absolute. Unfortunately for you, the truth isn't subject to the whims of your belief. All I was asking was for you to consider the possibility that the truth might not be what you believe. It's apparently beyond your capabilities. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 178] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 03:10 PM The truth is indeed an absolute. Unfortunately for you, the truth isn't subject to the whims of your belief. All I was asking was for you to consider the possibility that the truth might not be what you believe. It's apparently beyond your capabilities. My long posts on TRUTHS and Absolutes should have clued you in on the fact that I knew what you intended and where you were headed with the question. My refusal to go there was indeed stubborn but had absolutely nothing to do with my capabilities to answer or defend my views. Islam poses a grave threat to our survival as individual citizens and as a soveriegn nation. Now that you got an answer to your question from Katherine, care to discuss the Islamic threat to us at all ?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 179] Author : Drummond Date : 09-16-2012 03:15 PM Just to be clear, I'm an atheist, so my answer to your question is no, but not for the reason you think. This certainly explains much. The lack of evident grounding in an acceptance of what constitutes good or evil. My last post tried to examine that, but you've skated over the issues I raised. This seems to be because you don't identify with moral absolutes sufficiently to see that my argument had substance which it was reasonable to accept. No less so than yours. Though you may not understand, I've just covered this. Assume that Allah is real and the Koran is divinely inspired, then ask Allah. But I assume no such thing, because it isn't reasonable to. To suppose you could possibly be correct is to suppose that evil can come from 'divine' inspiration. How can evil be 'divine' ? Still .. am I wasting my time in asking you ? Your atheism may make you unable to grasp the absurdity involved. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 180] Author : Drummond Date : 09-16-2012 03:19 PM My long posts on TRUTHS and Absolutes should have clued you in on the fact that I knew what you intended and where you were headed with the question. My refusal to go there was indeed stubborn but had absolutely nothing to do with my capabilities to answer or defend my views. Islam poses a grave threat to our survival as individual citizens and as a soveriegn nation. Now that you got an answer to your question from Katherine, care to discuss the Islamic threat to us at all ?-Tyr .. yes. Thanks for putting us back on track. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 181] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 03:22 PM This certainly explains much. The lack of evident grounding in an acceptance of what constitutes good or evil. My last post tried to examine that, but you've skated over the issues I raised. This seems to be because you don't identify with moral absolutes sufficiently to see that my argument had substance which it was reasonable to accept. Though you may not understand, I've just covered this. But I assume no such thing, because it isn't reasonable to. To suppose you could possibly be correct is to suppose that evil can come from 'divine' inspiration. How can evil be 'divine' ? Still .. am I wasting my time in asking you ? Your atheism may make you unable to grasp the absurdity involved. ^^^^ I have many long discussions with atheists in my time. Your comment bolded above sums it up quite nicely, for regardless of how intelligent they are(and many were) it always comes down to the truth of that comment!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 182] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 03:30 PM Now that we are back ontrack.... Big D, you have much experience with the Islamic scourge that is destroying Britain and with that in mind what should be our first step in stopping that destruction here without destroying our free speech and freedom of religion insured by our CONSTITUTION? Could it be passing limited laws or must it be education, passing laws , reteaching patriotism and active aggressive policing of the extremists here? I had intended to ask you this question yesterday but got side tracked. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 183] Author : Missileman Date : 09-16-2012 03:53 PM This certainly explains much. The lack of evident grounding in an acceptance of what constitutes good or evil. My last post tried to examine that, but you've skated over the issues I raised. This seems to be because you don't identify with moral absolutes sufficiently to see that my argument had substance which it was reasonable to accept. Though you may not understand, I've just covered this. But I assume no such thing, because it isn't reasonable to. To suppose you could possibly be correct is to suppose that evil can come from 'divine' inspiration. How can evil be 'divine' ? Still .. am I wasting my time in asking you ? Your atheism may make you unable to grasp the absurdity involved. Can a mandate from your deity be evil? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 184] Author : Drummond Date : 09-16-2012 04:17 PM Now that we are back ontrack.... Big D, you have much experience with the Islamic scourge that is destroying Britain and with that in mind what should be our first step in stopping that destruction here without destroying our free speech and freedom of religion insured by our CONSTITUTION? Could it be passing limited laws or must it be education, passing laws , reteaching patriotism and active aggressive policing of the extremists here? I had intended to ask you this question yesterday but got side tracked. In my view, your first order of business MUST be to get Obama and his cronies booted out of Office, and for a Government to take its place which is prepared to dismantle the programs of so-called 'reform' he's made some progress with. Allied to that, in my view, is the first and pivotal step necessary .. one of showing the ordinary American citizen what beliefs and values America was founded to uphold. These all go hand-in-hand, because (a) without the wreckers neutralised, (b) without the misdirection corrected, and (c) without renewed and redoubled efforts to educate America in the values it's in danger of losing, whatever progress you may make won't have the stability of faith in them which you need to make them last. I suggest that a part of the re-education process should include critical examinations of countries such as my own. So that you can see for yourselves where losing your identity can lead. Seeing the processes whereby a country can lose itself to alien and pernicious, invasive beliefs should surely prove that equivalence in these areas is a destructive path, to be avoided. Very tight controls on immigration is also a 'must', with absolutely every would-be immigrant required to convince officials of his or her reverence for your foundling ideals. Fail to have this in place is an invitation to invite all sorts of 'crazies' to operate within your borders. Part of the UK's problem has been the Left's insistence on making our borders porous. This has led to a deluge of immigrants not only moving in but creating whole communities alien to British values and culture. On the basis that your extremists are by definition 'anti-American', certainly aggressive policing is called for - and with an emphasis placed on deportation of the 'undesirables'. WHY should you tolerate those intent on acting as your adversaries ? Your Constitution enshrines freedoms within your country. However, freedom isn't there as a means to harm you, and since with freedom comes responsibility, then the responsibility to ensure that nobody uses it for that harm HAS to both exist and be acted upon. This, depending upon the severity of the problem, may need some aggressive policing of its own. I am not calling for a 'police State' as such. What I do suggest is a reawakening of core American values which lead to an intolerance of those meaning those values harm. Identification of the nature of your country's adversaries is vital, keeping them in permanent check, ditto. You see, in the UK, we had Lefties who'd defer to anybody, and who argued that to show intolerance was 'bigoted', 'racist', antisocial. The reality was that immigrants from foreign cultures, with their foreign religions, flooded our territory, set up communities entirely their own, created pressure groups, built their mosques, and just demanded concession after concession, all of this eroding the values and identity of our nation. Islamists in particular have no interest in integration, and though our Lefties believed they would, all they REALLY got for their efforts of 'understanding' was a 'bend to us' message. Now, America, under the leadership of its own version of the Left, can travel our path .. and lose itself. Or, it can shake itself, wake up, regenerate an awareness of what it should REALLY stand for, and unite in its patriotic identity. It's possible to tolerate other religions without SURRENDERING to them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 185] Author : Drummond Date : 09-16-2012 04:28 PM Can a mandate from your deity be evil? Not only is the answer 'no', but it is PROVABLY 'no'. Christianity does not offer evil mandates. But this is not true of Islam. We have seen as much, of course. This is a great deal of why its incursions into American life must be resisted, fought against to stop that evil. But then ... you should already have learned all that. If you haven't ... then I see no point in debating with you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 186] Author : aboutime Date : 09-16-2012 04:50 PM Any group, or so-called religion that incites, or suggests a mandate the includes violence, or murder IS NOT A RELIGION. It is nothing but a front, or as some like to call it...a CULT, designed to distort, and destroy humanity by using constantly repeated falsehoods described, and brainwashed into the lesser intelligent minds who are unable to determine the differences between right, wrong, and human common sense. Anyone who believes the so-called Mandates...no matter what book, or religious belief claims to use violence, or murder as their guide in life. Is nothing less than the sickest, hate filled, enemies who bring death to those who dare not to disagree out of fear. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 187] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 07:02 PM In my view, your first order of business MUST be to get Obama and his cronies booted out of Office, and for a Government to take its place which is prepared to dismantle the programs of so-called 'reform' he's made some progress with. Allied to that, in my view, is the first and pivotal step necessary .. one of showing the ordinary American citizen what beliefs and values America was founded to uphold. These all go hand-in-hand, because (a) without the wreckers neutralised, (b) without the misdirection corrected, and (c) without renewed and redoubled efforts to educate America in the values it's in danger of losing, whatever progress you may make won't have the stability of faith in them which you need to make them last. I suggest that a part of the re-education process should include critical examinations of countries such as my own. So that you can see for yourselves where losing your identity can lead. Seeing the processes whereby a country can lose itself to alien and pernicious, invasive beliefs should surely prove that equivalence in these areas is a destructive path, to be avoided. Very tight controls on immigration is also a 'must', with absolutely every would-be immigrant required to convince officials of his or her reverence for your foundling ideals. Fail to have this in place is an invitation to invite all sorts of 'crazies' to operate within your borders. Part of the UK's problem has been the Left's insistence on making our borders porous. This has led to a deluge of immigrants not only moving in but creating whole communities alien to British values and culture. On the basis that your extremists are by definition 'anti-American', certainly aggressive policing is called for - and with an emphasis placed on deportation of the 'undesirables'. WHY should you tolerate those intent on acting as your adversaries ? Your Constitution enshrines freedoms within your country. However, freedom isn't there as a means to harm you, and since with freedom comes responsibility, then the responsibility to ensure that nobody uses it for that harm HAS to both exist and be acted upon. This, depending upon the severity of the problem, may need some aggressive policing of its own. I am not calling for a 'police State' as such. What I do suggest is a reawakening of core American values which lead to an intolerance of those meaning those values harm. Identification of the nature of your country's adversaries is vital, keeping them in permanent check, ditto. You see, in the UK, we had Lefties who'd defer to anybody, and who argued that to show intolerance was 'bigoted', 'racist', antisocial. The reality was that immigrants from foreign cultures, with their foreign religions, flooded our territory, set up communities entirely their own, created pressure groups, built their mosques, and just demanded concession after concession, all of this eroding the values and identity of our nation. Islamists in particular have no interest in integration, and though our Lefties believed they would, all they REALLY got for their efforts of 'understanding' was a 'bend to us' message. Now, America, under the leadership of its own version of the Left, can travel our path .. and lose itself. Or, it can shake itself, wake up, regenerate an awareness of what it should REALLY stand for, and unite in its patriotic identity. It's possible to tolerate other religions without SURRENDERING to them. Bravo.. Nicely done and complete with NO CALL for a round up I see!:clap: Thats the trick, doing so without creating a Police State. We see how far the politicians have merrily went towards that already and how quickly those charged with the protecting started abusing that power. Correct , first dethrone that idiot in charge now. Then repeal his monster healthcare timebomb . Then take steps to heal our economy. We surely must take a intensive study of what has happened in Britain and see how the muslim /leftist alliance there has been able to so quickly reduce that great nation to it's current state weakness and apathy. Then using that quickly gained knowledge start to address the muslim problem in our own country. The fools will as usual scream, what problem(?) but let them scream. Blind people can not be guardians of our nation and should be ignored and given exactly the respect that their ignorance warrants. For its bad enough to have to debate them without foolishly letting them shape national policy as is currently being done!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 188] Author : Missileman Date : 09-16-2012 07:07 PM Not only is the answer 'no', but it is PROVABLY 'no'. Christianity does not offer evil mandates. But this is not true of Islam. We have seen as much, of course. This is a great deal of why its incursions into American life must be resisted, fought against to stop that evil. But then ... you should already have learned all that. If you haven't ... then I see no point in debating with you. You and Tyr are a pair of chips off the same block of wood. You guys were in that movie where you traveled across the country to return a briefcase, right? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 189] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-16-2012 07:23 PM You and Tyr are a pair of chips off the same block of wood. You guys were in that movie where you traveled across the country to return a briefcase, right? Yep same block of wood , we went to different schools together, had different parents together and even speak with different accents together. Its simply amazing I tell ya! If Drummonds has been in a movie he failed to mention it to me. I know that I haven been but if offered and the pays is good , Im game.-;) I can not do his Brit accent and he surely can not do mine(Southern). I do not mind at all being compared favorably with the man regardless of the intent from the author of such a comparison. In fact, I consider it quite an honor myself! Good show missile, 'ole chap...;)-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 190] Author : Drummond Date : 09-16-2012 08:02 PM You and Tyr are a pair of chips off the same block of wood. You guys were in that movie where you traveled across the country to return a briefcase, right?:clap: I don't know that film, sorry, but otherwise .. I appreciate the flattery ! You're most kind ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 191] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-17-2012 08:55 AM Are you suggesting that American muslims take an oath of loyalty to America ? I think he is suggesting that they refuse to even attempt to use violence to further their religion's goal of domination here. If they are citizens thru naturalization they already took that oath, if citizens by birth they should have already learned to keep their religion's militant agenda in check...-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 192] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-17-2012 11:02 AM I think he is suggesting that they refuse to even attempt to use violence to further their religion's goal of domination here. If they are citizens thru naturalization they already took that oath, if citizens by birth they should have already learned to keep their religion's militant agenda in check...-Tyr I thought since they were muslims that they could not be peaceful even if they tried. All non violent ones are just faking it until the right moment. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 193] Author : tailfins Date : 09-17-2012 12:43 PM I thought since they were muslims that they could not be peaceful even if they tried. All non violent ones are just faking it until the right moment. Longtime forum members get your sarcasm. Lurkers and drive-by posters might miss it. Just a thought. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 194] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-17-2012 05:49 PM I thought since they were muslims that they could not be peaceful even if they tried. All non violent ones are just faking it until the right moment. Try not to strain yourself there hoss. You are already on record stating that Sharia law poses no tHreat here in USA. Which is folly heaped upon sheer idiotcy. Slow down , dont burst a blood vessel , your muslim allies need your support, ok?--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 195] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-17-2012 05:57 PM Try not to strain yourself there hoss. You are already on record stating that Sharia law poses no tHreat here in USA. Which is folly heaped upon sheer idiotcy. Slow down , dont burst a blood vessel , your muslim allies need your support, ok?--Tyr no worries--you're easy now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 196] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-17-2012 06:23 PM no worries--you're easy now. Good that you believe so. Underestimating the opposition will do ya good! Try telling your muslim friends to join you in that. If you can get them to not chop off your head. They tend to not show a damn bit of appreciation to an infidel not matter how well he has shilled for them!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 197] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-18-2012 10:09 PM I thought since they were muslims that they could not be peaceful even if they tried. All non violent ones are just faking it until the right moment. http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/stealth_islamic_propaganda_shown_to_six_million_american_students.html On May 16 and 17 of 2012, Channel One Network, a national distributor of educational videos and newscasts viewed daily by over 8,000 middle and high schools, aired a two-part video series, titled "Young and Muslim in America" and "Islam in America." In "Young and Muslim in America: How being a part of Islam changed ten years ago, Part 1," students watch as Muhtasham Sifaat, 18, kneels on a prayer rug inside an empty classroom. His voiceover explains how he moved around a lot when he was younger, but Islam has given him stability. What is not revealed is that Mr. Sifaat is a political activist serving as a chapter president of the Muslim Students Association (MSA), one of the most radical Muslim Brotherhood front groups in America. The MSA pledge states: "Allah is my lord. Islam is my life. The Koran is my guide. The Sunna is my practice. Jihad is my spirit. Righteousness is my character. Paradise is my goal. I enjoin what is right. I forbid what is wrong. I will fight against oppression. And I will die to establish Islam." Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/stealth_islamic_propaganda_shown_to_six_million_american_students.html#ixzz26shpD7wj ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stealth and deception.. Where is the outcry, where is the condemnation, where is the protection of our children from this type of indoctrination??-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 198] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-19-2012 08:50 AM http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/stealth_islamic_propaganda_shown_to_six_million_american_students.html The MSA pledge states: "Allah is my lord. Islam is my life. The Koran is my guide. The Sunna is my practice. Jihad is my spirit. Righteousness is my character. Paradise is my goal. I enjoin what is right. I forbid what is wrong. I will fight against oppression. And I will die to establish Islam." Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/stealth_islamic_propaganda_shown_to_six_million_american_students.html#ixzz26shpD7wj ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stealth and deception.. Where is the outcry, where is the condemnation, where is the protection of our children from this type of indoctrination??-Tyr Again I ask , where is the outcry against this being taught/shown to 6 MILLION of our kids !! Read what the bolded red says for Christ's sake. It is religious propaganda and includes Jihad too! Where is the damn outcry!!!!!!! Jihad is my spirit, followed by , paradise is my goal! I WILL DIE TO ESTABLISH ISLAM!!!!!!!!! ALL THREE THERE, JIHAD, PARADISE AND DIE... IN A PLEDGE.. Now ask why isnt this MSA BEING INVESTIGATED, WHY ISNT THIS ATTEMPTED INDOCTRINATION BEING ADDRESSED? WHY IS IT BEING SHOWN TO OUR STUDENTS!!!!!! HAVE YOU PEOPLE NO CONCERN FOR YOUR CHILDREN?????? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 199] Author : fj1200 Date : 09-19-2012 08:58 AM Again I ask , where is the outcry... You already stated that was not revealed. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 200] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-20-2012 08:18 AM :clap: I don't know that film, sorry, but otherwise .. I appreciate the flattery ! You're most kind ! I do not know that film either. Maybe its a cartoon he speaks about. oopps, forgot they hate cartoons.. Anyways his attempt at insulting went bust.. Maybe we could start an education on that for him too. :laugh:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 201] Author : Missileman Date : 09-20-2012 05:30 PM I do not know that film either. Maybe its a cartoon he speaks about. oopps, forgot they hate cartoons.. Anyways his attempt at insulting went bust.. Maybe we could start an education on that for him too. :laugh:-Tyr Oh I don't know...you meatheads both thanked me for calling you "Dumb and Dumber". :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 202] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-20-2012 06:52 PM Oh I don't know...you meatheads both thanked me for calling you "Dumb and Dumber". :laugh2: Sure, we did, "chip off the same block was a compliment". Yet you can not figure out why..I find that quite funny myself.. Here is a LITTLE hint , when I am compared to a person of DRUMMOND'S CHARACTER AND STATURE I TAKE THAT AS A COMPLIMENT REGARDLESS OF THE AUTHOR'S TRUE INTENT. Figures that you could never see that... just figures.-:laugh:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 203] Author : aboutime Date : 09-20-2012 07:01 PM Sure, we did, "chip off the same block was a compliment". Yet you can not figure out why..I find that quite funny myself.. Here is a LITTLE hint , when I am compared to a person of DRUMMOND'S CHARACTER AND STATURE I TAKE THAT AS A COMPLIMENT REGARDLESS OF THE AUTHOR'S TRUE INTENT. Figures that you could never see that... just figures.-:laugh:-Tyr Funny stuff Tyr. I'd happily take that as a compliment as well. In fact. As you probably know. I rather enjoy it, as you do. When anyone uses the name calling. I only get upset when being called names, if the person using those tactics has AGREED TO PAY MY BILLS. Then I listen. But anyone else doesn't really matter, and they have no importance...other than what they think of themselves. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 204] Author : Missileman Date : 09-20-2012 07:18 PM Sure, we did, "chip off the same block was a compliment". Yet you can not figure out why..I find that quite funny myself.. Here is a LITTLE hint , when I am compared to a person of DRUMMOND'S CHARACTER AND STATURE I TAKE THAT AS A COMPLIMENT REGARDLESS OF THE AUTHOR'S TRUE INTENT. Figures that you could never see that... just figures.-:laugh:-Tyr That you think it was a compliment makes it all the funnier. I've heard of people who are too stupid to feel insulted...I may have read of some too. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 205] Author : aboutime Date : 09-20-2012 07:22 PM That you think it was a compliment makes it all the funnier. I've heard of people who are too stupid to feel insulted...I may have read of some too. Missileman. So. Nobody here has to feel obligated to apologize to you for making you ignore being insulted? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 206] Author : Missileman Date : 09-20-2012 08:04 PM Missileman. So. Nobody here has to feel obligated to apologize to you for making you ignore being insulted? Is English your primary language? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 207] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-21-2012 10:11 AM That you think it was a compliment makes it all the funnier. I've heard of people who are too stupid to feel insulted...I may have read of some too. That you think you can judge what I find to be complimentary to me speaks volumes. You compare Drummonds and I together and stated that we are much alike. I having a great admiration for the honor , integrity and character of my friend Drummonds found that to be a high compliment made to me. Too bad that you fail to see the man's integrity and intelligence. Perhaps new glasses and another try at reading his posts would help you. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 208] Author : aboutime Date : 09-21-2012 01:39 PM That you think you can judge what I find to be complimentary to me speaks volumes. You compare Drummonds and I together and stated that we are much alike. I having a great admiration for the honor , integrity and character of my friend Drummonds found that to be a high compliment made to me. Too bad that you fail to see the man's integrity and intelligence. Perhaps new glasses and another try at reading his posts would help you. -Tyr Tyr. Didn't take us very long to learn what Missileman really suffers from here. I think he may be jealous in many respects, based on his inability to say anything other than ask a dumb question about English being my main language. That's just so typically liberal. It more fully describes the challenges liberals face in never being personally responsible, while always depending on others to do their thinking. Hiding behind the standard name calling, accusations, and labels. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 209] Author : fj1200 Date : 09-21-2012 01:51 PM Tyr. Didn't take us very long to learn what Missileman really suffers from here. Let me guess... That's just so typically liberal. Yup, there it is. It more fully describes the challenges liberals face in never being personally responsible, while always depending on others to do their thinking. Hiding behind the standard name calling, accusations, and labels. Pot. Kettle. Black. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 210] Author : aboutime Date : 09-21-2012 01:54 PM Let me guess... Yup, there it is. Pot. Kettle. Black. Wrong fj. I am not a Liberal. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 211] Author : fj1200 Date : 09-21-2012 01:58 PM Wrong fj. I am not a Liberal. Didn't say you were. Actually in retrospect it seems I may have insulted Missile; I hope he accepts my apology. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 212] Author : aboutime Date : 09-21-2012 02:00 PM Didn't say you were. Actually in retrospect it seems I may have insulted Missile; I hope he accepts my apology. Really? Care to explain the POT, and KETTLE? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 213] Author : fj1200 Date : 09-21-2012 02:02 PM Really? Care to explain the POT, and KETTLE? Check the bold. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 214] Author : Missileman Date : 09-21-2012 04:32 PM Didn't say you were. Actually in retrospect it seems I may have insulted Missile; I hope he accepts my apology. Nothing to apologize for...you weren't calling me a liberal, you were calling aboutime a hypocrite. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 215] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-22-2012 08:07 PM Really? Care to explain the POT, and KETTLE? My friend , you know that you are trying to piss up a tree when asking a liberal or liberal appeasor to explain anything. I guess old age is catching up to you quite a bit making that kind of gross error. You know with libs that pot is only for smoking and the only kettle that they know about is that big, gigantic , mountain sized one the government keeps dishing out freebies from .-:laugh:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 216] Author : fj1200 Date : 09-23-2012 07:52 AM My friend , you know that you are trying to piss up a tree when asking a liberal or liberal appeasor to explain anything. I guess old age is catching up to you quite a bit making that kind of gross error. Care to point a couple out? Unlikely from you I suppose. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 217] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-23-2012 08:34 AM ANOTHER REASON THAT I TAKE MY STAND... This man should have been executed for his treason! Yet he was not and that is because of the desire not to further anger Islam and the idiotic ideal that we should play softball with people that seek our complete destruction!-Tyr http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/islamic-law-in-america/ I was on Fox and Friends to discuss Abu Sulayman al-Irlandi, nee John Walker Lindh, a United States citizen and Muslim convert who was captured as an enemy combatant during the United States' 2001 invasion of Afghanistan. The "American Taliban" is serving a 20-year prison sentence for war crimes in the service of the Afghanistan's Taliban. He is a traitor of the highest order. He was captured during the Battle of Qala-i-Jangi, a violent Taliban prison uprising during which Central Intelligence Agency officer and great American hero Johnny "Mike" Spann was killed. Abu Sulayman al-Irlandi, nee John Phillip Walker Lindh, is a traitor and should have faced a firing squad for his treason. He joined the jihad and actively engaged in the killing of US soldiers. He attended a lecture by Osama Bin Laden. Instead of rotting in a well-earned grave, al-Irlandi and other jihadists are suing the US government trial over high-risk Muslim terrorists congregating together for "group prayer." He should receive no further concessions. His religion is what got him into prison. Even those who believe that he misunderstands the supposedly true peaceful teachings of Islam have to grant that he wouldn't have been fighting against American troops in Afghanistan if it weren't for his Muslim beliefs. He is not going to be associating with people who believe in peaceful, moderate Islam, but with convicted, violent Muslim felons. This will only reinforce the beliefs that led him to try to kill Americans in the first place. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 218] Author : aboutime Date : 09-24-2012 03:59 PM My friend , you know that you are trying to piss up a tree when asking a liberal or liberal appeasor to explain anything. I guess old age is catching up to you quite a bit making that kind of gross error. You know with libs that pot is only for smoking and the only kettle that they know about is that big, gigantic , mountain sized one the government keeps dishing out freebies from .-:laugh:-Tyr Thanks Tyr. Sure. I know. But it really is...so much fun reading, and watching them create all kinds of new excuses, or reasons to blame someone else for almost anything they WON'T DARE to honestly discuss. What makes them so angry, mystified, frustrated, and tongue-tied so often is. They have no power to refute, or disprove honest, truthful facts. And when they try. The lies they believe we should all take as actual, proven facts. Generally need to be repeated, or covered with more lies. So often. They honestly have no idea which lies they told us last, nor which lies they will use again. Just like the definition of INSANITY....trying something and failing, then trying the same thing again, thinking it will get a different result. They simply CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES. When you practice to Deceive....that Tangled Liberal Web...gets larger, and larger, and larger. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 219] Author : Drummond Date : 09-25-2012 03:42 PM My friend , you know that you are trying to piss up a tree when asking a liberal or liberal appeasor to explain anything. I guess old age is catching up to you quite a bit making that kind of gross error. You know with libs that pot is only for smoking and the only kettle that they know about is that big, gigantic , mountain sized one the government keeps dishing out freebies from .-:laugh:-Tyr Actually, Tyr, the British Leftie knows of another form of kettle .. well, 'Kettling', anyway. It's what the police do when they've got hordes of the aggravating little blighters on their hands when street marches are underway. See .. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16629055 The Metropolitan Police (Met) has won its appeal against a High Court ruling over kettling tactics used during the G20 demonstrations. The High Court ruling had been won by Hannah McClure, a student, and Josh Moos, a campaigner for Plane Stupid. They challenged the legality of restraint methods used against them in April 2009 when they were contained by officers in Bishopsgate. But the Court of Appeal has now ruled against the High Court's decision. Mr Moos said it was "a shame" the appeal judges could not see that the police were "out of control". The High Court ruling, where officers were said to have used "unjustified force", led to a call from human rights lawyers for an "immediate change to police attitudes and tactics". Police used the kettling tactic - where demonstrators are corralled inside police cordons and prevented from leaving - against the protesters in Bishopsgate, even though they had been peaceful. The Met said the kettling was necessary to keep violent demonstrators at the Royal Exchange from "hijacking" the more peaceful climate camp, attended by up to 5,000 people. The High Court had ruled there had been no evidence of an imminent breach of the peace to justify the kettle, which was in place for more than four hours. Mr Moos, who was part of a peaceful protest camp, said he had become dehydrated after being refused permission to leave. When the police announced an appeal they made it clear the judgement did not outlaw kettling, and containment tactics would continue to be used "to prevent serious disorder and violence". The Master of the Rolls Lord Neuberger, sitting in the Court of Appeal with Lord Justice Hughes and Lord Justice Sullivan, ruled against the High Court decision. So, there you are. It's now accepted practise for our police to confine marchers in specific areas, and keep them there, for a number of hours. I've read one report which talks of confinement lasting SEVEN hours. It's a useful tactic if there's a likelihood of violent demonstrations, where the violence would otherwise extend over a far wider area. There are times when we know EXACTLY how to treat our stroppy Lefties, folks ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 220] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-25-2012 03:45 PM Save the World ! Kettle all Muslims ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 221] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-25-2012 06:07 PM Save the World ! Kettle all Muslims ! How about we just stop giving them that damn huge pass and admit that they are not a religion of peace! How about that for a good start?--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 222] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-25-2012 06:12 PM Actually, Tyr, the British Leftie knows of another form of kettle .. well, 'Kettling', anyway. It's what the police do when they've got hordes of the aggravating little blighters on their hands when street marches are underway. See .. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16629055 So, there you are. It's now accepted practise for our police to confine marchers in specific areas, and keep them there, for a number of hours. I've read one report which talks of confinement lasting SEVEN hours. It's a useful tactic if there's a likelihood of violent demonstrations, where the violence would otherwise extend over a far wider area. There are times when we know EXACTLY how to treat our stroppy Lefties, folks ! A little bit of that used on the muslims would be nice. They seem to get away with all their crap.. The usual appeasement and cowardly responding to them that lib/dems here swear by..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 223] Author : Drummond Date : 09-25-2012 06:23 PM A little bit of that used on the muslims would be nice. They seem to get away with all their crap.. The usual appeasement and cowardly responding to them that lib/dems here swear by..-Tyr If it was ever tried, probably Muslim pressure groups would seek to prosecute the police for it. My guess is it'd be seen as an illegal act. Nice thought, though ! Especially the next time they decide to protest when dead British servicemen being returned from Afghanistan are shown public respect, as they were repeatedly at Wootton Bassett .. see ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6927633/Muslim-cleric-Anjem-Choudary-vows-to-continue-Wootton-Bassett-march.html Muslim extremist Anjem Choudary has vowed to go ahead with a protest march through Wootton Bassett claiming those who honour the war dead are no different to those who support the 7/7 Tube bombers. The controversial cleric, who heads up Islam4UK, has organised a march of 500 people through the Wiltshire town, in memory of Muslims "murdered in the name of democracy and freedom". Wootton Bassett has become the main focal point for the nation to show its respect to the troops killed in Afghanistan, with hundreds lining the streets each time a body is repatriated to nearby RAF Lyneham. But Choudary said it was unacceptable to honour those killed in the conflict and he would march through the town with supporters to voice opposition at the gatherings. Asked why he was against crowds honouring fallen British soldiers, he said: "The same could be said about the Germans fighting for Nazism in the Second World War. Those involved in 7/7 and 9/11 considered themselves to be soldiers. THERE SPEAKS SCUM. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 224] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-25-2012 06:30 PM If it was ever tried, probably Muslim pressure groups would seek to prosecute the police for it. My guess is it'd be seen as an illegal act. Nice thought, though ! Especially the next time they decide to protest when dead British servicemen being returned from Afghanistan are shown public respect, as they were repeatedly at Wootton Bassett .. see ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6927633/Muslim-cleric-Anjem-Choudary-vows-to-continue-Wootton-Bassett-march.html THERE SPEAKS SCUM. That Choudary character needs a damn good ass stomping my friend. Isnt he the same muslim scum that reached inside the car window as it was driving away and hit the EDL leader in the face a while back? Sure its illegal to criticise them but when they gather the police protect them and make counter protestors march many blocks away. When they break those same laws the police there turn a blind eye. My friend nothing but a revolution there will ever save that nation! The sooner the better!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 225] Author : Dilloduck Date : 09-25-2012 08:54 PM A little bit of that used on the muslims would be nice. They seem to get away with all their crap.. The usual appeasement and cowardly responding to them that lib/dems here swear by..-Tyr Appeaser. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 226] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-25-2012 09:10 PM Appeaser. Sure am. I give my wife a massage everytime she asks and quite often when she hasnt requested one. The pay off is off the charts great..-;) monkey dancing in the early morn hours while our son is sound asleep.. Always great..--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 227] Author : Drummond Date : 09-26-2012 02:40 PM That Choudary character needs a damn good ass stomping my friend. Isnt he the same muslim scum that reached inside the car window as it was driving away and hit the EDL leader in the face a while back? Well, there's a lot of ass to stomp on ... :laugh: So far as I know, Choudary hasn't attacked Tommy Robinson. But, he was prominent in the 'Islam4uk' organisation which, I think, was actually outlawed. Islam4uk was, once, one of the Muslim pressure groups that Labour was pleased to favour, to prove its 'enlightened' credentials ... but I think I'm right in saying that after they took such an offensive stance on the war dead returning from Afghanistan, even THEY decided that they couldn't be officially tolerated. We agree on the great need the British public has to wake up to the ever-growing threat that Islam continues to pose ... absolutely so !!! ... I've found this video link to Tommy Robinson. In it, he's being interviewed by a host by the name of Michael Coren (who holds joint British/Canadian citizenship, and was born in the UK) from an online outlet operating out of Canada. I think you'll find it interesting to watch (it comes in two parts .. you need to click for Part 2 just before Part 1 ends) ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_347405&feature=iv&src_vid=17SzFxEeC54&v=t7y8ITzw-KI As for Choudary ... here's him being interviewed by CNN, by a range of presenters ... in it, he confirms support for Osama bin Laden, his wish to see Sharia Law implemented worldwide, and at the end, he admits he's in supportive contact with people in the US, asking them to commit attacks ... he says 'Of course I am' (9 mins 10 seconds in to the clip) ... I very much like the put-down Choudary got as a consequence !!! .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHx0yxbjxgM .. AND, FINALLY ... I found a video, Tyr, of the very attack I think you referred to ... even as I was drafting this reply to you ! The attacker is named as SAIF AL-ISLAM. You can watch the attack for yourself ... 1 min 46 seconds into the clip .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMW032VThuQ [Jafar, if you're studying my post, I invite your comments ... about 'peaceful' Islam ... !!!!!] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 228] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-26-2012 05:05 PM Well, there's a lot of ass to stomp on ... :laugh: So far as I know, Choudary hasn't attacked Tommy Robinson. But, he was prominent in the 'Islam4uk' organisation which, I think, was actually outlawed. Islam4uk was, once, one of the Muslim pressure groups that Labour was pleased to favour, to prove its 'enlightened' credentials ... but I think I'm right in saying that after they took such an offensive stance on the war dead returning from Afghanistan, even THEY decided that they couldn't be officially tolerated. We agree on the great need the British public has to wake up to the ever-growing threat that Islam continues to pose ... absolutely so !!! ... I've found this video link to Tommy Robinson. In it, he's being interviewed by a host by the name of Michael Coren (who holds joint British/Canadian citizenship, and was born in the UK) from an online outlet operating out of Canada. I think you'll find it interesting to watch (it comes in two parts .. you need to click for Part 2 just before Part 1 ends) ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_347405&feature=iv&src_vid=17SzFxEeC54&v=t7y8ITzw-KI As for Choudary ... here's him being interviewed by CNN, by a range of presenters ... in it, he confirms support for Osama bin Laden, his wish to see Sharia Law implemented worldwide, and at the end, he admits he's in supportive contact with people in the US, asking them to commit attacks ... he says 'Of course I am' (9 mins 10 seconds in to the clip) ... I very much like the put-down Choudary got as a consequence !!! .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHx0yxbjxgM .. AND, FINALLY ... I found a video, Tyr, of the very attack I think you referred to ... even as I was drafting this reply to you ! The attacker is named as SAIF AL-ISLAM. You can watch the attack for yourself ... 1 min 46 seconds into the clip .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMW032VThuQ [Jafar, if you're studying my post, I invite your comments ... about 'peaceful' Islam ... !!!!!] Yes, thats the video of the EDL leader that I saw long ago where he was hit by that cowardly maggot. The maggot wanted him to get out of the car so there would be about 40 or 50 scum on him quickly and yes they would have beaten him until he was dead! No doubt about that. Let me say this, I watched both the vidoes of Choudary and this other maggot SAIF-AL-ISLAM AND IF I WERE EVER FACE TO FACE WITH EITHER ONE OF THEM I'D BEAT THAT MAGGOT'S WORTHLESS CARCASS TO WITHIN AN INCH OF THEIR MISERBALE LIFE. THEY ARE HATEFILLED DESTROYERS! Seekers of world domination by Islam. I can easily see the evil in both those worthless scum. DAMN COWARDS AND THEY PROVE IT EVERYTIME THEY MURDER INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDEN! And thats often if one just checks out the number of murdering attacks they carry out weekly worldwide. Yes, its critical that Britain wakes up to the TRUE nature of the EXTREME peril that its in! And for any chance of survival its must do so likely in less than a couple years. Every day not vigorously addressing the problem decreases the odds of ever prevailing against the enemy there that has plans for your destruction! Sad to say but clearly a fact.. Islam is a destroyer and murderer and its followers are too. When it comes to being declared an apostate or acting in a violent manner against anybody or anything they each will choose to be violent! As some point out, even here they proudly point it out, there are 1.5 bilion muslims, that means well over a billion that will or would kill non-believers for simply refusing to convert to Islam. Remember their leaders are supposedly preaching direct words /commands from Allah and they will not refuse those orders. Thats why they are currently the greatest danger to the world. They have had no new testament, no reformation, they only have the one book that commands them to murder non-believers and to subjugate the entire world! Americans MUST REMEMBER that it was Islam that attacked and murdered over 3,000 innocent American citizens on 9/11. It wasnt a nation , a city or a village . It wasnt a deranged individual... It was a religion. I for one am damn tired of the huge pass that they have been and are always given! Islam seeks our destruction and Islam is our enemy regardless of how deep we try to hide our collective heads in the sand. All the denying does is give them more time to grow larger and stronger. They already here in America have started the same type of program that they have used so successfully in Britain to bring it to its knees and about to be conquered and destroyed.. I do not give a damn who criticises me for daring to speak the truth about Islam! Dont like it tough , do something about it is my stand. I'll fight any man alive any damn time that tries to stop me from defending my family! And I dont give a damn who he is or what his reason is for trying to stop me. I made a vow that tragic day on 9/11 and nothing shall stop me from keeping it!! Absolutely nothing in this universe except death..Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 229] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-03-2012 09:29 AM America still faces the same threat from Islam only now because of rapid changes in the ME we are facing a far more hostile and unifying force there. Who could have predicted this situation thirty years ago? Twenty years ago?Ten years ago? Now we have a soon to be nuked up Iran , a Muslim Brotherhood controlled Egypt , Syria most likely to fall and Indonesia up in arms about a silly film. Much of it thanks to obama deliberate coddling and refusal to support the old leaders instead his going with the new hardcore muslim leaders ! Certainly that shored up his muslim voting base here. The ones so many use to judge Islam by! Which is a grave mistake promoted by Islamic organizations. A major part of the selfreputation of many Muslims living in the West, primarily those that were born and raised here is that theyare good and decent human beings by virtue of Islam. However in reality, those “Muslims” more often than not reject Islamic values and embrace Westernized ones, whether they admit it to themselves or not. They get to credit Islam without having to suffer under Islam, under its tyranny= Sharia Law. And their version of Islam is very often called “American Islam” as if there exists such a thing seperate from Islam itself. This is the kind of dangerous nonsense that allows Islam into our culture as if it were just another part of the great American melting pot. While the many verses in the Koran command its followers to murder, rape and pillage the infidels in order to spread the power and authority of Allah across the world! Islam has not yet started a true campaign to exhort these followers to practice the violence so often seen over in the ME. For they are too valuable as "peaceful muslims", (the only ones), that put on a false face to the world for the majority! These Muslims in name only have been naturally edified by a culture that is completely foreign to the one they came from. But they did not consciously decide to reject Islamic values and embrace Western ones. The process was implicit , it happened naturally when they were exposed to Western pro-life, values. What so many fail to realize is that a good Muslim, by our standards, is a bad Muslim by Islamic standards. Western Muslims have to appreciate the stark difference between Western values and Islamic values and stop pretending that they are one and the same. It’s simply not true. And one of the dangers that this poses for us in our defense against Jihad is that objectively good human beings who identify themselves as Muslim give Islam a good face, a good name, one far better than it deserves. This gives us a false impression of what we’re facing, with just another excuse not to face it. I simply refuse to live as a blinded appeasor. Any good research on Islam will bring the truth out about its evil and violence. Why so many Americans refuse to do this is astounding since they represent a very grave danger to our culture and survival! Such research must be from non-muslim sources as they have tons of propaganda out there . A great find is the testimony of a muslim that has converted to another religion. They usually give great insight into Islam and is true goals etc. Take a stand folks, you are here only because millions of brave Americans did just that in years past!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 230] Author : mundame Date : 10-03-2012 09:38 AM As good stand up Americans what do we do about American muslims ? Could we send them home? I think that would be best. It IS an invasion, after all. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 231] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-03-2012 09:44 AM Could we send them home? I think that would be best. It IS an invasion, after all. You want to send American Muslims away to another country based on religion? FDR and his internment camps have nothing on you guys. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 232] Author : mundame Date : 10-03-2012 09:49 AM You want to send American Muslims away to another country based on religion? FDR and his internment camps have nothing on you guys. The Japanese internment camps were very appropriate, I believe: there were a gazillion Japanese spies in that community and they pretty much ALL lived exactly where the Navy ships were stationed and repaired on the California coast. Good thing the Japanese didn't find out from their spies about the fast repair of the Yorktown................................. It's why we won the war. I suppose the Constitution IS a suicide pact these days, but I don't think it should be. Actions like FDR's are wholly appropriate for our national defense, IMO. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 233] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-03-2012 09:54 AM The Japanese internment camps were very appropriate, I believe: there were a gazillion Japanese spies in that community and they pretty much ALL lived exactly where the Navy ships were stationed and repaired on the California coast. Good thing the Japanese didn't find out from their spies about the fast repair of the Yorktown................................. It's why we won the war. I suppose the Constitution IS a suicide pact these days, but I don't think it should be. Actions like FDR's are wholly appropriate for our national defense, IMO. Don't you feel like you will be excoriated for telling the truth? In these times, people will take great pleasure in codemning you for your statements, calling you names and trying to get you fired, etc. You are a brave soul, even for just saying so on an Internet board. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 234] Author : mundame Date : 10-03-2012 10:11 AM Don't you feel like you will be excoriated for telling the truth? In these times, people will take great pleasure in codemning you for your statements, calling you names and trying to get you fired, etc. You are a brave soul, even for just saying so on an Internet board. Very kind of you to say so, Abbey! Yes, I take a lot of heat for my views of reality. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 235] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-03-2012 10:46 AM The Japanese internment camps were very appropriate... And wholly unconstitutional. I suppose the Constitution IS a suicide pact these days, but I don't think it should be. Actions like FDR's are wholly appropriate for our national defense, IMO. Who gets to decide when it is and when it isn't? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 236] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-03-2012 10:48 AM Don't you feel like you will be excoriated for telling the truth? In these times, people will take great pleasure in codemning you for your statements, calling you names and trying to get you fired, etc. You are a brave soul, even for just saying so on an Internet board. Which truth would that be? Her opinion? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 237] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-03-2012 11:00 AM Which truth would that be? Her opinion? Is it your opinion that there were no Japanese spies in the area? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 238] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-03-2012 11:16 AM Is it your opinion that there were no Japanese spies in the area? :laugh: The Ringle Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-American_internment#The_Ringle_Report) In May 2011, U.S. Solicitor General Neal Katyal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Katyal), after a year of investigation, found Charles Fahy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fahy) intentionally withheld The Ringle Report, drafted by the Office of Naval Intelligence, in order to justify the Roosevelt administration in the cases of Hirabayashi v. United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirabayashi_v._United_States) and Korematsu v. United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korematsu_v._United_States). The report would have undermined the administration's position of the military necessity for such action, finding most Japanese-Americans were not a national security threat, along with allegations of communication espionage being unfounded by the FBI and Federal Communications Commission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Communications_Commission).[50] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-American_internment#cite_note-49)[51] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-American_internment#cite_note-50) Of course that's not even the issue is it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 239] Author : mundame Date : 10-03-2012 12:24 PM And wholly unconstitutional. Who gets to decide when it is and when it isn't? FDR decided; all the people who cooperated in building and setting up and running and guarding the camps and transporting the Japanese decided; and let's see --- I get to decide, you get to decide, the Supreme Court gets to decide. And a decision gets made. FDR's decision would likely have more weight than yours or mine. In Germany, they banished Americans and British when WWII started, or put them in detention. In America, prominent German-Americans were watched. In England, Germans were mostly interned, as Germany had a tremendous number of nationals there and spying was constant. When caught, they went to prison, and were often shot. The British drama series Foyle's War had a good episode about a wife of a Briton for 33 years, originally from Germany, who was secretly asked to spy by her brother, and she did: air fields, IIRC. Someone came in by submarine to get her reports and they saw the lights and tracked it down, eventually. Basically, she didn't see why she shouldn't help her brother ---- and besides, she thought Britain SHOULD be German! 33 years in Britain, but she was for Germany to win the war. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 240] Author : mundame Date : 10-03-2012 12:31 PM "most Japanese-Americans were not a national security threat," Probably not...........the little kids, the elderly people, maybe weren't.....but the ones who WERE a national security threat, because they were spying, could have lost us the war. It hung by a thread before Midway. It is leftwing propaganda to promote the idea that there is never any spying, never any sabotage, no terrorism happens, no religious intolerance or cultural oppression could possibly be done by our enemies ---- indeed, that we have no enemies, there is no Other, just all One World singing happy songs together. Sometimes this looks like extreme naivetee, sometimes like a desire to see America totally overwhelmed and defeated and our culture gone. I haven't decided which is going on yet. Do you want America to be defeated and our culture gone? If so, which culture would you like to replace it, and why? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 241] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-03-2012 12:38 PM FDR decided; all the people who cooperated in building and setting up and running and guarding the camps and transporting the Japanese decided; and let's see --- I get to decide, you get to decide, the Supreme Court gets to decide. And a decision gets made. FDR's decision would likely have more weight than yours or mine. Personally I'd rather not have some "decide" when the Constitution is or is not convenient. Do you know how many people on this exact forum who are bitching about BO and he deciding when the Constitution isn't convenient? Besides, to think you or I get to decide is laughable. In Germany, they banished Americans and British when WWII started, or put them in detention. In America, prominent German-Americans were watched. In England, Germans were mostly interned, as Germany had a tremendous number of nationals there and spying was constant. When caught, they went to prison, and were often shot. The British drama series Foyle's War had a good episode about a wife of a Briton for 33 years, originally from Germany, who was secretly asked to spy by her brother, and she did: air fields, IIRC. Someone came in by submarine to get her reports and they saw the lights and tracked it down, eventually. Basically, she didn't see why she shouldn't help her brother ---- and besides, she thought Britain SHOULD be German! 33 years in Britain, but she was for Germany to win the war. Interesting. Those are a lot of countries who don't have our Constitution. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 242] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-03-2012 12:43 PM "most Japanese-Americans were not a national security threat," Probably not...........the little kids, the elderly people, maybe weren't.....but the ones who WERE a national security threat, because they were spying, could have lost us the war. It hung by a thread before Midway. So you agree that most were not a security threat yet you agree that everyone who fit the bill could be interned simply because of their heritage. Here's an idea, investigate those who might be and take action against those who are. Nah, crazy A' constitution just gets in the way doesn't it? :rolleyes: It is leftwing propaganda to promote the idea that there is never any spying, never any sabotage, no terrorism happens, no religious intolerance or cultural oppression could possibly be done by our enemies ---- indeed, that we have no enemies, there is no Other, just all One World singing happy songs together. Sometimes this looks like extreme naivetee, sometimes like a desire to see America totally overwhelmed and defeated and our culture gone. I haven't decided which is going on yet. Do you want America to be defeated and our culture gone? If so, which culture would you like to replace it, and why? Who are you talking to? Or do you just like to go off on tangents to give cover for your non-sequitur opinions. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 243] Author : mundame Date : 10-03-2012 01:18 PM So you agree that most were not a security threat yet you agree that everyone who fit the bill could be interned simply because of their heritage. Here's an idea, investigate those who might be and take action against those who are. Nah, crazy A' constitution just gets in the way doesn't it? :rolleyes: Right, I think it was correct to intern them all, that would stop the spying. And I also think that sending back to Muslimland any Muslims now here would be a great defense of our culture. They certainly don't allow immigration into their culture! --- nor does China nor Japan or many other countries, which are far more self-protective than Western democracies, which are pretty much allowing their culture to be undermined from inside. I don't know why you should worry about Japanese internment by America. When Germany did concentration camps, those people were in serious trouble, and most died. Also, why be concerned about internment camps during WWII? We A-bombed the Japs! Two big cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Not to mention killing gazillions of them on their little Pacific islands and sinking their carriers and battleships. Summer camps for the Japanese in America do not seem to me much of a cruelty issue in wartime compared to the Japs bombing Pearl Harbor and us bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the firebombing of Tokyo. Who are you talking to? Or do you just like to go off on tangents to give cover for your non-sequitur opinions. I was talking to you. I am asking whether it is acute naivetee that causes you to think that spying and many other acts of war are not really a problem or not really happening, or whether in fact you would prefer that America be defeated entirely and our culture switched out for some other culture, and if so, which one would you rather live under? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 244] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-03-2012 07:48 PM Right, I think it was correct to intern them all, that would stop the spying. And I also think that sending back to Muslimland any Muslims now here would be a great defense of our culture. They certainly don't allow immigration into their culture! --- nor does China nor Japan or many other countries, which are far more self-protective than Western democracies, which are pretty much allowing their culture to be undermined from inside. I don't know why you should worry about Japanese internment by America. When Germany did concentration camps, those people were in serious trouble, and most died. Also, why be concerned about internment camps during WWII? We A-bombed the Japs! Two big cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Not to mention killing gazillions of them on their little Pacific islands and sinking their carriers and battleships. Summer camps for the Japanese in America do not seem to me much of a cruelty issue in wartime compared to the Japs bombing Pearl Harbor and us bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the firebombing of Tokyo. I was talking to you. I am asking whether it is acute naivetee that causes you to think that spying and many other acts of war are not really a problem or not really happening, or whether in fact you would prefer that America be defeated entirely and our culture switched out for some other culture, and if so, which one would you rather live under? Only people with slanted eyes were able to spy-----no one else could possibly have given the enemy any info. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 245] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-03-2012 07:48 PM :laugh: The Ringle Report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-American_internment#The_Ringle_Report) Of course that's not even the issue is it? The issue is that you stated that Mundame only has an (untrue) opinion of what happened vis a vis the Japanese. I was wondering if your opinion holds more sway. It appears that you think it does. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 246] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-03-2012 08:04 PM http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=1409130#post1409130) Try reading Churchill's words on Islam. A brilliant man with a brilliant comment on the curse of Islam.-Tyr HERE IS THE SPEECH: "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome." Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 London) For Drummonds Islamism is the new bolshevismThe campaign to eliminate the terrorist threat must also end our unfinished business in Iraq, writes Margaret Thatcher Share (http://www.facebook.com/dialog/feed?app_id=180444840287&link=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/feb/12/afghanistan.politics&display=popup&redirect_uri=http://static-serve.appspot.com/static/facebook-share/callback.html&show_error=false)6 http://static.guim.co.uk/static/d3b885e2ba88ec4c06936edb9c284cc301233b9a/common/images/icon-email.pngEmail (?subject=From the Guardian: Islamism is the new bolshevism&body=I thought you might be interested in this link from the Guardian: Islamism is the new bolshevism - http://gu.com/p/x2h7v/em) Margaret Thatcher The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian), "Methinks I see in my mind a noble and puissant nation rousing herself like a strong man after sleep, and shaking her invincible locks." Milton's words perfectly describe America today. After the horror of September 11 the world has seen America gather its strength, summon its allies and proceed to wage war halfway across the globe against its enemy - and ours. America will never be the same again. It has proved to itself and to others that it is in truth (not just in name) the only global superpower, indeed a power that enjoys a level of superiority over its actual or potential rivals unmatched by any other nation in modern times. Consequently, the world outside America should never be the same either. There will, of course, arise new threats from new directions. But as long as America works to maintain its technological lead, there is no reason why any challenge to American dominance should succeed. And that in turn will help ensure stability and peace. Yet, as President Bush has reminded Americans, there is no room for complacency. America and its allies, indeed the western world and its values, are still under deadly threat. That threat must be eliminated, and now is the time to act vigorously. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 247] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-03-2012 08:19 PM All that stuff is history man===I thought we were talking about TODAY and NOW ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 248] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-03-2012 08:32 PM All that stuff is history man===I thought we were talking about TODAY and NOW ? Brilliant commentary by two amazingly brilliant and great leaders is not to be ignored. It still appplies today unless you think Islam has changed radically since then. I dont , the Koran has had no changes , Hadiths and Sura's maybe(?)--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 249] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-03-2012 08:46 PM Brilliant commentary by two amazingly brilliant and great leaders is not to be ignored. It still appplies today unless you think Islam has changed radically since then. I dont , the Koran has had no changes , Hadiths and Sura's maybe(?)--Tyr Had to jab you about your double standards---did you notice that Thatcher didn't say who the enemy was ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 250] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-03-2012 08:59 PM The issue is that you stated that Mundame only has an (untrue) opinion of what happened vis a vis the Japanese. I was wondering if your opinion holds more sway. It appears that you think it does. My opinion? Experts opinion? SCOTUS opinion? Yeah I think upholding the Constitution holds more sway. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 251] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-03-2012 09:01 PM Had to jab you about your double standards---did you notice that Thatcher didn't say who the enemy was ? NO DOUBLE STANDARDS ON THIS , THOSE COMMENTARIES ARE JUST AS RELEVANT TODAY AS THEY WERE WHEN MADE . THATCHER'S ENEMY WAS LISTED IN THE TITLE LINE RIGHT AFTER DRUMMOND'S NAME. PERHAPS YOU NEED GLASSES, EH?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 252] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-03-2012 09:06 PM Right, I think it was correct to intern them all, that would stop the spying. And I also think that sending back to Muslimland any Muslims now here would be a great defense of our culture. They certainly don't allow immigration into their culture! --- nor does China nor Japan or many other countries, which are far more self-protective than Western democracies, which are pretty much allowing their culture to be undermined from inside. I don't know why you should worry about Japanese internment by America. When Germany did concentration camps, those people were in serious trouble, and most died. Also, why be concerned about internment camps during WWII? We A-bombed the Japs! Two big cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Not to mention killing gazillions of them on their little Pacific islands and sinking their carriers and battleships. Summer camps for the Japanese in America do not seem to me much of a cruelty issue in wartime compared to the Japs bombing Pearl Harbor and us bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the firebombing of Tokyo. OK, you're ready to toss out the Constitution when you perceive some sort of threat; That's clear. Anyone should worry when there is talk of interning people solely because of their race and especially their religion. Violating Constitutional rights, even in a nice way, is not something we should take pride in. I was talking to you. I am asking whether it is acute naivetee that causes you to think that spying and many other acts of war are not really a problem or not really happening, or whether in fact you would prefer that America be defeated entirely and our culture switched out for some other culture, and if so, which one would you rather live under? I reject your strawman that the only way to protect and defend is mass interning. BTW, at which point in time would you like to freeze our culture? 1700's? 1800's? 1952? Should we freeze out some Mormons? Those Christian Scientists seem to be getting pretty uppity and all too? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 253] Author : Missileman Date : 10-03-2012 09:45 PM OK, you're ready to toss out the Constitution when you perceive some sort of threat; That's clear. Anyone should worry when there is talk of interning people solely because of their race and especially their religion. Violating Constitutional rights, even in a nice way, is not something we should take pride in. I reject your strawman that the only way to protect and defend is mass interning. BTW, at which point in time would you like to freeze our culture? 1700's? 1800's? 1952? Should we freeze out some Mormons? Those Christian Scientists seem to be getting pretty uppity and all too? Exactly! If you condone the government violating the rights of one group of citizens, you establish a precedent by which they can violate everyone's. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 254] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-04-2012 08:49 AM Exactly! If you condone the government violating the rights of one group of citizens, you establish a precedent by which they can violate everyone's. Too late, FDR already set that precedent and he is heralded as the great dem/liberal hero! Isnt it a bit lame that Islam declares war on America and America is told that it must embrace and appease Islam? I'll do neither and know that my take on it is right..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 255] Author : tailfins Date : 10-04-2012 08:56 AM Too late, FDR already set that precedent and he is heralded as the great dem/liberal hero! Isnt it a bit lame that Islam declares war on America and America is told that it must embrace and appease Islam? I'll do neither and know that my take on it is right..-Tyr The WHOLE of Islam declared war on America? WOW! Thanks for the news. You remind me of an uncle I once had that would whoop ever dang Oriental he saw. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 256] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-04-2012 09:08 AM Too late, FDR already set that precedent and he is heralded as the great dem/liberal hero! Isnt it a bit lame that Islam declares war on America and America is told that it must embrace and appease Islam? I'll do neither and know that my take on it is right..-Tyr Islam declares war on America. :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 257] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-04-2012 09:18 AM The WHOLE of Islam declared war on America? WOW! Thanks for the news. You remind me of an uncle I once had that would whoop ever dang Oriental he saw. Islam wars against all that is not Islam, that includes America. They specificly concentrate of the big(USA) and the little(Israel) Satans. I suggest that you read a bit more but since you know it all why should you, right? I'm thinking that the entirety of your knowledge about Islam is what you have read or saw in the news media which is extremely limited and full of errors.. Do keep impressing me with ignorance on a subject you know so little about! Im guessing your uncle wasnt too different from you maybe.-;)-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 258] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-04-2012 09:19 AM Islam declares war on America. :laugh2: See post number 257... :laugh:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 259] Author : tailfins Date : 10-04-2012 09:25 AM How about American Muslims ? What's the plan with them ? I trust Bibi Netanyahu. He points out that Arabs (most of which are Muslim, I presume) live better in Israel than in other countries in the region. No one can reasonably say Netanyahu appeases Muslims. Bibi doesn't show the Klan-like hatred for Muslims I see here in the US. If you want an example of that kind of thing in the US: http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100904/NEWS01/9040321/-20-000-reward-offered-arson-Murfreesboro-mosque-site?nclick_check=1 As a contrast, here is where Netanyahu stands: http://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-condemns-jerusalem-beating-of-arab-youths-says-racism-and-violence-have-no-place-in-israel/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 260] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-04-2012 09:31 AM Too late, FDR already set that precedent and he is heralded as the great dem/liberal hero! Isnt it a bit lame that Islam declares war on America and America is told that it must embrace and appease Islam? I'll do neither and know that my take on it is right..-Tyr And you accept that precedent? The truth is—as this deplorable experience proves—that constitutions and laws are not sufficient of themselves...Despite the unequivocal language of the Constitution of the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution) that the writ of habeas corpus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writ_of_habeas_corpus) shall not be suspended, and despite the Fifth Amendment's command that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law, both of these constitutional safeguards were denied by military action under Executive Order 9066.[102] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-American_internment#cite_note-101) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-American_internment If you accept EO 9066 then you have no place to complain about BO's EOs. All 924 of them. ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 261] Author : tailfins Date : 10-04-2012 09:32 AM Islam wars against all that is not Islam, that includes America. They specificly concentrate of the big(USA) and the little(Israel) Satans. I suggest that you read a bit more but since you know it all why should you, right? I'm thinking that the entirety of your knowledge about Islam is what you have read or saw in the news media which is extremely limited and full of errors.. Do keep impressing me with ignorance on a subject you know so little about! Im guessing your uncle wasnt too different from you maybe.-;)-Tyr Why don't you just round up a posse and hang a few? When someone does such a thing, don't complain when you become a "person of interest" because of your rantings. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 262] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-04-2012 06:54 PM Why don't you just round up a posse and hang a few? When someone does such a thing, don't complain when you become a "person of interest" because of your rantings. Hey genius, you made the suggestion to round them up and hang them not me! I'd say you'd be the primary person of interest should it ever happen. It is easy to see from my posts here that I've not suggested breaking the law in any way . So shove your strawdog crap.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 263] Author : jafar00 Date : 10-04-2012 07:44 PM I'm thinking that the entirety of your knowledge about Islam is what you have read or saw in the news media which is extremely limited and full of errors.. You knowledge of Islam clearly comes from extremist websites and nutcase preachers. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 264] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-04-2012 07:50 PM You knowledge of Islam clearly comes from extremist websites and nutcase preachers. You mean websites that are not muslim. Yes, thats where to find the truth about Islam. Islam spends tens of millions on promoting lying propaganda to fool those that have little to no knowledge about it.. Then you pick and choose what you like declaring " millions of other muslims" not muslim... Quite convenient to say the least.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 265] Author : Missileman Date : 10-04-2012 11:01 PM All 924 of them. ;) :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 266] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-05-2012 08:34 AM :laugh2: You guys seek to quibble about the exact number of E.O's in order to not discuss his power grabbing and the Unconstitutionality of his policies. Your post above reveals your brilliance on the topic. You laugh while this traitor helps destroy the nation. F-YOU.-TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 267] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-05-2012 08:52 AM You guys seek to quibble about the exact number of E.O's in order to not discuss his power grabbing and the Unconstitutionality of his policies. Your post above reveals your brilliance on the topic. You laugh while this traitor helps destroy the nation. F-YOU.-TYR No, you'll get nary an argument about his unconstitutional power grabbing from anyone here. Those of us on the right aren't going to disagree and those on the left will point out the extreme exaggeration which, especially in their mind, gives you zero credibility. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 268] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-05-2012 09:04 AM No, you'll get nary an argument about his unconstitutional power grabbing from anyone here. Those of us on the right aren't going to disagree and those on the left will point out the extreme exaggeration which, especially in their mind, gives you zero credibility. My credibility in regards to those on the left doesnt matter. They hate ALL TRUTH. Those on the right here that choose to ignore the facts when presented instead would rather discuss any errors that may exist in my posts pretend to seek perfection. I've always found that tactic a bit revealing in itself. Casting aside a bed of roses because of a few daisies growing within clearly point to certain biases. In short, ignoring facts because the totality is still not perfection is an error. I post a great many factual links! Show me a perfect thing , a perfect human ....-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 269] Author : tailfins Date : 10-05-2012 09:16 AM Hey genius, you made the suggestion to round them up and hang them not me! I'd say you'd be the primary person of interest should it ever happen. It is easy to see from my posts here that I've not suggested breaking the law in any way . So shove your strawdog crap.-Tyr I mentioned it because your obsession fits the profile of a skinhead or the people who committed the Murfreesboro arson attack on the mosque in Tennessee. I trust the US and Israeli military to correctly profile the enemy. I DON'T think the enemy is "all Muslims". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 270] Author : Missileman Date : 10-05-2012 09:17 AM You guys seek to quibble about the exact number of E.O's in order to not discuss his power grabbing and the Unconstitutionality of his policies. Your post above reveals your brilliance on the topic. You laugh while this traitor helps destroy the nation. F-YOU.-TYR Any discussion about Obama's abuses of Executive power should be grounded in REALITY. I don't think pointing out that the OP inflated Obama's EO count by over 600% is quibbling. If you'd like to have a serious discussion about EOs, you'll first need to disown the "not so serious", ridiculous accusation in the OP and start working from a list of his actual EOs. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 271] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-05-2012 09:25 AM My credibility in regards to those on the left doesnt matter. They hate ALL TRUTH. Those on the right here that choose to ignore the facts when presented instead would rather discuss any errors that may exist in my posts pretend to seek perfection. I've always found that tactic a bit revealing in itself. Casting aside a bed of roses because of a few daisies growing within clearly point to certain biases. In short, ignoring facts because the totality is still not perfection is an error. I post a great many factual links! Show me a perfect thing , a perfect human ....-Tyr I'll stipulate that for the time being but your target audience shouldn't be the right because like I said they just might agree with you. You might either be trying to convince an independent or further embolden a conservative. Abandoning certain easily verifiable facts before even starting the debate puts you a leg down IMO. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 272] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-05-2012 11:40 AM See post number 257... :laugh:-Tyr I did--It was just as full of generalizations as all your others. Who is the Muslim in charge these days anyway ? Someone needs to tell the ones in Syria that they aren't supposed to be fighting each other. :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 273] Author : tailfins Date : 10-05-2012 11:45 AM I'll stipulate that for the time being but your target audience shouldn't be the right because like I said they just might agree with you. You might either be trying to convince an independent or further embolden a conservative. Abandoning certain easily verifiable facts before even starting the debate puts you a leg down IMO. I will attest to that. I have been active in numerous GOP campaigns and conservative ballot measures. I'm only undecided whether he is someone you keep out of sight with tasks such as putting up yard signs or preparing a campaign venue like a Bircher or if he's someone to avoid altogether like David Duke. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 274] Author : Drummond Date : 10-05-2012 05:13 PM I'll stipulate that for the time being but your target audience shouldn't be the right because like I said they just might agree with you. You might either be trying to convince an independent or further embolden a conservative. Abandoning certain easily verifiable facts before even starting the debate puts you a leg down IMO. You don't like those on the Right being united in a common cause ? Is that what's behind your thinking here ? I agree with Tyr; there's no point in trying to consider those on the Left, because they're wedded to a script, a perception of reality predefined for them. They know what they want to see and work towards, so they follow that path. It doesn't matter to them whether or not reality defies them, because their propaganda is far more important to them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 275] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-05-2012 06:18 PM I will attest to that. I have been active in numerous GOP campaigns and conservative ballot measures. I'm only undecided whether he is someone you keep out of sight with tasks such as putting up yard signs or preparing a campaign venue like a Bircher or if he's someone to avoid altogether like David Duke. You assume too much and attempt to take liberties that you could never back up dude. Nobody runs me in circles and only an idiot attempts to compare me to David Dukes. Dont bother yourself with my activities because regardless of how important you may believe yourself to be , hoss you aint shit to me! You are perfectly free here to make such comments without facing any action at all. In the real world such comments would bring a well reasoned and attitude adjusting reply. Still undecided? Here let me help you make up your puny mind about it, kiss my ass punk! Thats how its done face to face and I'd be very happy to say it that way anytime ,any damn place...-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 276] Author : tailfins Date : 10-05-2012 06:21 PM You assume too much and attempt to take liberties that you could never back up dude. Nobody runs me in circles and only an idiot attempts to compare me to David Dukes. Dont bother yourself with my activities because regardless of how important you may believe yourself to be , hoss you aint shit to me! You are perfectly free here to make such comments without facing any action at all. In the real world such comments would bring a well reasoned and attitude adjusting reply. Still undecided? Here let me help you make up your puny mind about it, kiss my ass punk! Thats how its done face to face and I'd be very happy to say it that way anytime ,any damn place...-Tyr Do you have a criminal record? It sure seems like it. You are why background checks get done, even for volunteers. That would be David Duke. Perhaps you are confused with Daisy Dukes shorts. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 277] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-05-2012 06:26 PM I mentioned it because your obsession fits the profile of a skinhead or the people who committed the Murfreesboro arson attack on the mosque in Tennessee. I trust the US and Israeli military to correctly profile the enemy. I DON'T think the enemy is "all Muslims". No, you lying fuck you mentioned it because you wanted to paint me as a damn skinhead or lawless criminally minded person. When no post here have I ever advocated partaking in criminal activities against blacks, gays , muslims or anybody by myself or by others. I dont give a damn who you trust to verify an enemy. I am a man , I'll do my own damn verifying while you'll be lead like a fool, like a child. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 278] Author : tailfins Date : 10-05-2012 06:29 PM No, you lying fuck you mentioned it because you wanted to paint me as a damn skinhead or lawless criminally minded person. When no post here have I ever advocated partaking in criminal activities against blacks, gays , muslims or anybody by myself or by others. I dont give a damn who you trust to verify an enemy. I am a man , I'll do my own damn verifying while you'll be lead like a fool, like a child. -Tyr I seem to have struck a nerve! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 279] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-05-2012 06:32 PM Do you have a criminal record? It sure seems like it. You are why background checks get done, even for volunteers. That would be David Duke. Perhaps you are confused with Daisy Dukes shorts. Yet another baseless accusation from a punk, I have no criminal record. Still tossing out the David Dukes SHAT hoping to tarnish me with it . Another useless ffing coward pretending to be a man!:laugh: How many more baseless bullshat accusations do you think you' ll need to feel you are a brilliant star here? Like a child you hurl shit hoping to improve your own smell. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 280] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-05-2012 06:37 PM I seem to have struck a nerve! What you have done is act like a fool and accuse me with absolutely no proof while pretending that you are some wise being. In other words you make lying accusations and then pretend you have accomplished something other than being an ass. I dislike liars, punkass ones even more.. You apparently fit the bill for both..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 281] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-05-2012 06:40 PM You don't like those on the Right being united in a common cause ? Is that what's behind your thinking here ? I agree with Tyr; there's no point in trying to consider those on the Left, because they're wedded to a script, a perception of reality predefined for them. They know what they want to see and work towards, so they follow that path. It doesn't matter to them whether or not reality defies them, because their propaganda is far more important to them. Weird---you're like Tyr's very own left wing. :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 282] Author : tailfins Date : 10-05-2012 06:41 PM Yet another baseless accusation from a punk, I have no criminal record. Still tossing out the David Dukes SHAT hoping to tarnish me with it . Another useless ffing coward pretending to be a man!:laugh: How many more baseless bullshat accusations do you think you' ll need to feel you are a brilliant star here? Like a child you hurl shit hoping to improve your own smell. -Tyr Naw, just enjoying watching you lose your cookies. Maybe one day you'll learn not to play into the side you oppose. You are making your own point of view look bad. You post something totally wrong and instead of saying "boy did I goof", you double down. I'm just trying to stop you from making a fool of yourself; perhaps that's a losing battle. I would prefer you become more effective, however there's a certain evil entertainment in watching you drool all over yourself. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 283] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-05-2012 06:53 PM Naw, just enjoying watching you lose your cookies. Maybe one day you'll learn not to play into the side you oppose. You are making your own point of view look bad. You post something totally wrong and instead of saying "boy did I goof", you double down. I'm just trying to stop you from making a fool of yourself; perhaps that's a losing battle. I would prefer you become more effective, however there's a certain evil entertainment in watching you drool all over yourself. No, you thought to be a man forgetting that a man must first actually be one ! Then I replied like a man and you attempted to sling a bit more shit but it did absolutely no good at all. Were we face to face in a bar you'd been sat down rather quickly in no uncertain terms but here you attempt to be clever. I speak my mind, call you on your bullshit and now it all was a clever little exercise according to you. How effective I am is my business , I do not need nor will I accept advice from any man unless I first respect that man. That clearly leaves you out. What did I post totally wrong in this thread that you "think" warrants your baseless accusations being spewed forth? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 284] Author : tailfins Date : 10-05-2012 07:07 PM No, you thought to be a man forgetting that a man must first actually be one ! Then I replied like a man and you attempted to sling a bit more shit but it did absolutely no good at all. Were we face to face in a bar you'd been sat down rather quickly in no uncertain terms but here you attempt to be clever. I speak my mind, call you on your bullshit and now it all was a clever little exercise according to you. How effective I am is my business , I do not need nor will I accept advice from any man unless I first respect that man. That clearly leaves you out. What did I post totally wrong in this thread that you "think" warrants your baseless accusations being spewed forth? Nevermind: I have better things to do than give advice to some drunk beclowning himself. I will sit here an let you entertain me kind of like World's Dumbest on TruTV. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 285] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-05-2012 07:17 PM Nevermind: I have better things to do than give advice to some drunk beclowning himself. I will sit here an let you entertain me kind of like World's Dumbest on TruTV. Offering unrequested advice is a bit like spitting into the punchbowl to make it go farther. I am truly amazed that giving advice is too be preceded by making baseless, insulting false accusations as a prelude. Is this some new modern philosophy or perhaps it's you that has been drinking a bit too much? I like entertaining little kids, I do rope tricks, card tricks and sometimes a bit of magic. Stay tuned in here and I'll teach you a few things too.-:laugh:--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 286] Author : Robert A Whit Date : 10-05-2012 07:21 PM I trust Bibi Netanyahu. He points out that Arabs (most of which are Muslim, I presume) live better in Israel than in other countries in the region. No one can reasonably say Netanyahu appeases Muslims. Bibi doesn't show the Klan-like hatred for Muslims I see here in the US. If you want an example of that kind of thing in the US: http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100904/NEWS01/9040321/-20-000-reward-offered-arson-Murfreesboro-mosque-site?nclick_check=1 As a contrast, here is where Netanyahu stands: http://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-condemns-jerusalem-beating-of-arab-youths-says-racism-and-violence-have-no-place-in-israel/ Name any Muslim who will admit being anti American. Notice I did not say anti USA for given their population growth (See book by Mark Steyn, America Alone for some facts), in the future, the number of Muslims in the USA will make them the majority. Globally they are growing so fast that in some countries, formerly Christian, they now have Muslim majorities. I asked one Muslim (actually a former Musllim, who is currently saying he is a Catholic) Sia from Iran to tell me honestly if the Muslim faith is violent. Not 1200 or 1500 years back, but right now. Sia explained to me that they are violent and he explained why. He said since he left Iran and became an American citizen, it was not compatable for him to remain a Muslim and live here given he despises violence. Now, Sia got a college education in Iran and moved eventually to the USA fearing he would die unless he got proper care for his heart condition. He legally went to Germany hoping for said care. Sadly the Germans told him he had to go to the USA for that sort of heart care. So, he came here on a visitors visa and became illegal and somehow managed to get amnesty. I think it was that vaunted Reagan Amnesty that democrats would love to repeat. See how it worked for us the last time? They want to repeat that mistake. Now, I happen to enjoy the company of Sia when he comes by. I think since Sia worked in the loan business and sold property for commission, and had took the risk of buying high priced homes just in time for them to fall in price, he probably is on some government aid program of some sort. I wish he came by to chat. When Sia who hated the America flag so much he burned it in Iran, to tell me Muslims are violent, took guts. Were he still a Muslim, I suppose he would be killed if somebody knew what he said. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 287] Author : tailfins Date : 10-05-2012 07:29 PM Name any Muslim who will admit being anti American. Notice I did not say anti USA for given their population growth (See book by Mark Steyn, America Alone for some facts), in the future, the number of Muslims in the USA will make them the majority. Globally they are growing so fast that in some countries, formerly Christian, they now have Muslim majorities. I asked one Muslim (actually a former Musllim, who is currently saying he is a Catholic) Sia from Iran to tell me honestly if the Muslim faith is violent. Not 1200 or 1500 years back, but right now. Sia explained to me that they are violent and he explained why. He said since he left Iran and became an American citizen, it was not compatable for him to remain a Muslim and live here given he despises violence. Now, Sia got a college education in Iran and moved eventually to the USA fearing he would die unless he got proper care for his heart condition. He legally went to Germany hoping for said care. Sadly the Germans told him he had to go to the USA for that sort of heart care. So, he came here on a visitors visa and became illegal and somehow managed to get amnesty. I think it was that vaunted Reagan Amnesty that democrats would love to repeat. See how it worked for us the last time? They want to repeat that mistake. Now, I happen to enjoy the company of Sia when he comes by. I think since Sia worked in the loan business and sold property for commission, and had took the risk of buying high priced homes just in time for them to fall in price, he probably is on some government aid program of some sort. I wish he came by to chat. When Sia who hated the America flag so much he burned it in Iran, to tell me Muslims are violent, took guts. Were he still a Muslim, I suppose he would be killed if somebody knew what he said. If all the people that get profiled as terrorists happen to be Muslim, I don't have a problem with that. However, it is an American principle to have freedom of religion. If being a Muslim PLUS some other activity points to someone being an enemy of our nation, I'm all for that. Taking action against someone SOLELY for their religion doesn't sit well with me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 288] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-05-2012 07:45 PM If all the people that get profiled as terrorists happen to be Muslim, I don't have a problem with that. However, it is an American principle to have freedom of religion. If being a Muslim PLUS some other activity points to someone being an enemy of our nation, I'm all for that. Taking action against someone SOLELY for their religion doesn't sit well with me. Now you reveal the bug you apparently had up your arse. ALL muslims would do you harm when their leaders call for that to be done. If not they'd be declared apostate and murdered themselves. If you are going to defend a thing its best you actually learn about it first, dont ya think? Islam hates all that is not Islam , a fact which Im sure you in your blindness will quickly deny. Islam teaches the detruction of all that is not of Islam . A fact, not fiction, false supposition but a fact. You dont like my hardline stand against Islam , tough titty baby..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 289] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-05-2012 08:37 PM http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/icons/icon1.png My feelings on Islam and its plan to destroy USA. Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts. Surely we that place such great value on justice and freedom can see that there can be absolutely no peace with Islam, with those so dedicated to destroying freedom and justice as we know it. Destroying it as our founders intended and created a governing magnificent document to guide. Should we fail to unite and arrive at that conclusion, create a proper plan of action and pursue it with determination we shall meet our destruction. For abandoning our integrity, honor and justice we shall pay a heavy price. One that few will dare admit because such tragedy is always the fate of others and we console ourselves with that old line of comforting thinking. Should we fail to act such tragedy may possibly be a just fate for a peoples that have betrayed the sacrifice of millions that gave us the most precious of blessings: Independence, Freedom, Rule of law and Constitution.! Such a combination that was not only unique in the world but has since failed to be duplicated ! Should we abandone common sense, Rule of Law to follow the easier path of appeasement our choice made to avoid confronting our fears and our enemy shall almost certainly bring destruction for having renounced the gift that has been dearly bought with the blood, tears and treasure of countless Americans that have lived and died fighting the true fight. The good fight of justice over injustice , of good over evil and the happiness of having created and passed on a blessing beyond compare to future generations.. Rather than yield to complacency, indifference and shallow lusts of the times it may be wise to learn again how to fall to bended knee and asked for strength of mind , pureness of heart and justice defended by righteous blade and keen intellect! If you have no “blade” sell your costly toys to buy the best money can buy. For what good be such if in maintaining one looses their head? Ask not mercy and gifts from enemies with no honor but instead stand firm, defend your life, your family and your country! For life often demands great sacrifice, think not and life will take that and more. The more being that which few can or will dare imagine but life cares not about our fears and failures. It is we that should care more about life! Care enough to stand against those that would murder our parents, enslave our children and exstinguish our freedom and justice forever. Islam, shall not subjugate this great nation. Shall not if we face it without fear and with determination birthed from defending that which is good and right about our nation. This nation created to be the guiding light to the world. A Christian nation blessed by God and occupied by those brave enough to spill blood , blood of others as well as their own!--Tyr Second draft.. decided not to add in the long post previously cut before my posting the first addressing -lack of patriotism from the Dem party and its dire effects upon this nation and our military . Perhaps worthy of another thread at a later time. More fodder for my critics!!!:laugh: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now where in my original post that started this thread did I indicate rounding up muslims or taking any illegal actions against them?--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 290] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-06-2012 06:46 AM You don't like those on the Right being united in a common cause ? Is that what's behind your thinking here ? I agree with Tyr; there's no point in trying to consider those on the Left, because they're wedded to a script, a perception of reality predefined for them. They know what they want to see and work towards, so they follow that path. It doesn't matter to them whether or not reality defies them, because their propaganda is far more important to them. You might take some care to actually read what I wrote. I already stipulated that you could toss out the "left" as trying to convert it's the rest that will take issue. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 291] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-06-2012 10:35 AM The Constitution of the United States PROTECTS peoples right to worship as they please. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 292] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-06-2012 10:54 AM The Constitution of the United States PROTECTS peoples right to worship as they please. Islam views our Constitution as a wortless piece of paper , fit only to be destroyed alonged with those that seek to preserve it. Islam scoffs at the proposition that people should have such religious freedoms! They'd destroy that and you without even so much as a blinking of their insane eyes. Sure, just like it protected our populace from the likes of obama. Its only as strong as the government that has the task of using it as our nation's guide and when that government is corupted it is weak unless patriots step forth to demand that it be renewed as the primary block in this nation's foundation ! Obama attacks it instead of defending it , as also do the Islamists. You prefer to defend the Islamists while youi attempt cover by lauding our Constitution. Our Constitution does not give protection to those seeking it's and our nation's destruction. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 293] Author : tailfins Date : 10-06-2012 11:04 AM Islam views our Constitution as a wortless piece of paper , fit only to be destroyed alonged with those that seek to preserve it. Islam scoffs at the proposition that people should have such religious freedoms! They'd destroy that and you without even so much as a blinking of their insane eyes. Sure, just like it protected our populace from the likes of obama. Its only as strong as the government that has the task of using it as our nation's guide and when that government is corupted it is weak unless patriots step forth to demand that it be renewed as the primary block in this nation's foundation ! Obama attacks it instead of defending it , as also do the Islamists. You prefer to defend the Islamists while youi attempt cover by lauding our Constitution. Our Constitution does not give protection to those seeking it's and our nation's destruction. -Tyr My grandpa used to refer to it as the nigger's religion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 294] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-06-2012 11:08 AM My grandpa used to refer to it as the nigger's religion. Are you now bragging about having a racist grandfather? Islam has nothing to do with blacks except that it seeks to either convert or kill them too! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 295] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-06-2012 12:01 PM The Constitution of the United States PROTECTS peoples right to worship as they please. And we know the USSC never interprets the Constitution based on politics, right? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 296] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-06-2012 01:57 PM Weird---you're like Tyr's very own left wing. :laugh: I am so far right that I don't have a left wing, and Drummonds is his own man as his well thought out posts so clearly reveal. Of course I'd take him on my team anytime because the man prefers truth over lies and has the courage to always follow that path IMHO. His posts here are inferior to none and often his knowledge greater on our politics than are some Americans that post here. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 297] Author : Robert A Whit Date : 10-06-2012 02:18 PM If all the people that get profiled as terrorists happen to be Muslim, I don't have a problem with that. However, it is an American principle to have freedom of religion. If being a Muslim PLUS some other activity points to someone being an enemy of our nation, I'm all for that. Taking action against someone SOLELY for their religion doesn't sit well with me. When Sia (from Iran) and I met, he was still a Muslim. I did not wish him ill. Maybe I am wrong, but if so, Sia helped me be wrong, but according to what he told me, the duty of a Muslim is to eliminate anybody not a Muslim. This is one of his reasons for saying the religion is violent. If a person is a Muslim but teaches non violence, good for them since they violate the rules of their own religion. Another way to see this is the non religion part of it. Killing humans at peace ought to never be excused. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 298] Author : aboutime Date : 10-06-2012 03:02 PM I am so far right that I don't have a left wing, and Drummonds is his own man as his well thought out posts so clearly reveal. Of course I'd take him on my team anytime because the man prefers truth over lies and has the courage to always follow that path IMHO. His posts here are inferior to none and often his knowledge greater on our politics than are some Americans that post here. -Tyr Anyone happen to remember last week, when someone from the Left, Liberal side attempted to convince America that NASCAR FANS were more attractive to Obama???? Also. Does anyone remember how quickly the Liberal-Dems who made that claim...dropped it like a Hot Potato when someone pointed out....How NASCAR FANS only appear to be on the LEFT....Because....ALL NASCAR races happen to be ENDLESS LAPS WHERE FAST CARS.....MAKE ENDLESS "LEFT" TURNS??? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 299] Author : tailfins Date : 10-06-2012 04:23 PM Are you now bragging about having a racist grandfather? Islam has nothing to do with blacks except that it seeks to either convert or kill them too! Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam: You make comments that are shown to be untrue by a simple internet search. I know what raw racism looks like (if it quacks like a duck). Your posts honk loud and clear. It's easy and lazy to define an enemy by race or religion. Here is another: If you see someone with Bey or hyphenated with Bey, they are "Moorish", a type of black Muslim. http://www.themoorishsciencetempleofamerica.org/ For Example: Shelby Lee Patterson-Bey http://www.bustedmugshots.com/missouri/st-louis/shelby-lee-patterson-bey/62933981 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 300] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-06-2012 05:40 PM And we know the USSC never interprets the Constitution based on politics, right? So would you support a war against Islam ? How about a law that banned it's practice ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 301] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-06-2012 06:56 PM Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam: You make comments that are shown to be untrue by a simple internet search. I know what raw racism looks like (if it quacks like a duck). Your posts honk loud and clear. It's easy and lazy to define an enemy by race or religion. Here is another: If you see someone with Bey or hyphenated with Bey, they are "Moorish", a type of black Muslim. http://www.themoorishsciencetempleofamerica.org/ For Example: Shelby Lee Patterson-Bey http://www.bustedmugshots.com/missouri/st-louis/shelby-lee-patterson-bey/62933981 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You confuse the recognition of an avowed enemy with racism. Tell me then , what --RACE-- is Islam?? It's not a --RACE-- but it surely is an enemy to this great nation. So now you add -lazy- to my list of bad habits that you have so generously created. :laugh: Do you know how many ethnic groups practice Islam? How many nations are known to be muslim nations , complete with Sharia law to prove it to any foooooolish doubters!?? No, you dislike my manner of posting the cold , hard truth , pulling no punches so you take this tact. Attacking me more often than the points I make or the links that I give. Seems to me its lazy on your part to attack the messenger(me) instead of studying Islam and attempting to counter my offerings!!!!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 302] Author : aboutime Date : 10-06-2012 07:20 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You confuse the recognition of an avowed enemy with racism. Tell me then , what --RACE-- is Islam?? It's not a --RACE-- but it surely is an enemy to this great nation. So now you add -lazy- to my list of bad habits that you have so generously created. :laugh: Do you know how many ethnic groups practice Islam? How many nations are known to be muslim nations , complete with Sharia law to prove it to any foooooolish doubters!?? No, you dislike my manner of posting the cold , hard truth , pulling no punches so you take this tact. Attacking me more often than the points I make or the links that I give. Seems to me its lazy on your part to attack the messenger(me) instead of studying Islam and attempting to counter my offerings!!!!-Tyr Tyr. Someone should lead those who doubt such aspects of pure racism to the countless state, and federal prisons across this country. And they should perform a personal kind of poll to determine what Religious beliefs are being touted, as the Black population of those prisons swing to Islam, and Muslim. Of course. Those who will instantly DENY such things taking place. Would never dare question, or attempt to learn the truth on their own. It might cause them to Choke on their own lies. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 303] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-06-2012 07:27 PM Tyr. Someone should lead those who doubt such aspects of pure racism to the countless state, and federal prisons across this country. And they should perform a personal kind of poll to determine what Religious beliefs are being touted, as the Black population of those prisons swing to Islam, and Muslim. Of course. Those who will instantly DENY such things taking place. Would never dare question, or attempt to learn the truth on their own. It might cause them to Choke on their own lies. After someone has drug me around to see all this, what do you think I will realize needs being done ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 304] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-06-2012 07:48 PM A red-faced Pentagon has conceded that an instructor at its Joint Forces College in Virginia for military officers was until recently teaching a course advocating “total war” with Islam that could require obliterating the holy cities of Mecca and Medina without concern for civilian deaths. The material in the course, which officers could elect to take but was not obligatory, flew in the face of repeated assertions by the Obama administration that the war on terrorism is just that and should under no circumstances be read as an assault on a religion observed by 1.4 billion people around the world. Details of the course were obtained by a blog on Wired.com, drawn from a presentation given by the teacher, Lt. Col. Matthew Dooley, in July last year. He suggested that destroying Islamic holy sites would follow the precedents of the nuclear strike by the allies on Hiroshima in World War II and the firebombing of Dresden. His course was called ‘Perspectives on Islam and Islamic Radicalism’. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-instructor-urged-total-war-with-islam-7737807.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smart man , of course he will be reprimanded for daring to speak the truth in military terms.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 305] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-06-2012 07:57 PM A red-faced Pentagon has conceded that an instructor at its Joint Forces College in Virginia for military officers was until recently teaching a course advocating “total war” with Islam that could require obliterating the holy cities of Mecca and Medina without concern for civilian deaths. The material in the course, which officers could elect to take but was not obligatory, flew in the face of repeated assertions by the Obama administration that the war on terrorism is just that and should under no circumstances be read as an assault on a religion observed by 1.4 billion people around the world. Details of the course were obtained by a blog on Wired.com, drawn from a presentation given by the teacher, Lt. Col. Matthew Dooley, in July last year. He suggested that destroying Islamic holy sites would follow the precedents of the nuclear strike by the allies on Hiroshima in World War II and the firebombing of Dresden. His course was called ‘Perspectives on Islam and Islamic Radicalism’. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-instructor-urged-total-war-with-islam-7737807.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smart man , of course he will be reprimanded for daring to speak the truth in military terms.-Tyr Smart people don't get caught. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 306] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-06-2012 08:23 PM Smart people don't get caught. Smart honest man telling the truth has nothing to hide.. Running afoul by telling the truth is quite often a virtue! Not that you would know that offhand.-;)-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 307] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-06-2012 08:28 PM Smart honest man telling the truth has nothing to hide.. Running afoul by telling the truth is quite often a virtue! Not that you would know that offhand.-;)-Tyr Who declared war on America in the name of Islam ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 308] Author : tailfins Date : 10-07-2012 06:36 AM Who declared war on America in the name of Islam ? From your posts on other topics, I presume you are not a Republican. When annoys me about chest thumpers is that they lose votes for the GOP. George W. Bush clearly stated that Islam is not our enemy. There's a huge difference between a desire to win a war and aimless prejudice. We don't need a repeat of the Japanese internment camps, except this time for Muslims. 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http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/icons/icon1.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jafar00 http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=582462#post582462) I don't know any mullahs sorry. I apologize on behalf of Republican voters: We are not all like that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 310] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-07-2012 03:52 PM From your posts on other topics, I presume you are not a Republican. When annoys me about chest thumpers is that they lose votes for the GOP. George W. Bush clearly stated that Islam is not our enemy. There's a huge difference between a desire to win a war and aimless prejudice. We don't need a repeat of the Japanese internment camps, except this time for Muslims. Last time I checked, Muslims don't have a Pope than has official capacity to speak for all adherents. My point exactly. Muslims are busy killing each other now and we would be idiots to declare a war on Islam. It would unite them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 311] Author : tailfins Date : 10-07-2012 04:04 PM Yet you issued an apology to Jafar about posts made by Jim amd I concerning Islam and its agenda/actions as if you had some high leadership role in the Republican party! Now thats some damn kind of ARROGANCE! APOLOGISING ON BEHALF OF REPUBLICANS FOR OTHER AMERICAN REPUBLICANS EXERCISING THEIR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH! Your words betray you! You made the apology as if you had the authority to do so on behalf of the Republican party! You sir, are without a doubt arrogant as hell and a lying rascal as well.-Tyr here is your apology.. tailfins (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?2229-tailfins) View Profile (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?2229-tailfins) View Forum Posts (http://www.debatepolicy.com/search.php?do=finduser&userid=2229&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1) Private Message (http://www.debatepolicy.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=2229) Add as Contact (http://www.debatepolicy.com/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=buddy&u=2229) http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/statusicon/user-offline.png Senior Member http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/reputation/reputation_highpos.png
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http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/icons/icon1.png I apologize on behalf of Republican voters: We are not all like that. Call 1-800-96-JERRY and tell someone who cares. You stand a good chance of getting on the show. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 312] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-07-2012 04:31 PM Call 1-800-96-JERRY and tell someone who cares. You stand a good chance of getting on the show. The fact that you are reduced to posting the rubbish reply quoted above speaks volumes about you and exactly what you tried to do .. Truth is a powerful weapon and people reading both sides of this can easily see that your attempted character assassination attempt was both lame and lies. Now you instead of attempting to refute the posts I've made on the subject and the info in the links I provided you deliver that lameass reply cited above. It truly is quite pathetic .-:laugh2: Stil , I welcome any attempts at refuting my views exspressed on Islam , its goals and its danger to our Constitution and nation. I just do not expect that you have the ability or brainpower to do either. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 313] Author : tailfins Date : 10-07-2012 04:55 PM The fact that you are reduced to posting the rubbish reply quoted above speaks volumes about you and exactly what you tried to do .. Truth is a powerful weapon and people reading both sides of this can easily see that your attempted character assassination attempt was both lame and lies. Now you instead of attempting to refute the posts I've made on the subject and the info in the links I provided you deliver that lameass reply cited above. It truly is quite pathetic .-:laugh2: Stil , I welcome any attempts at refuting my views exspressed on Islam , its goals and its danger to our Constitution and nation. I just do not expect that you have the ability or brainpower to do either. --Tyr Whether or not the details of what you say is true doesn't matter. You are off in an irrelevant sand trap. What does matter is where the money to train terrorists is coming from, where the training is done to perform violent acts on US soil, where the material to perform terrorist acts is produced, etc. Fanning prejudice against 1.5 billion people is burning the haystack to find a needle. I guess you could answer "the Eastern Hemisphere" and be technically correct in where it's all coming from, but that would not be useful information. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 314] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-07-2012 05:00 PM Whether or not the details of what you say is true doesn't matter. You are off in an irrelevant sand trap. What does matter is where the money to train terrorists is coming from, where the training is done to perform violent acts on US soil, where the material to perform terrorist acts is produced, etc. Fanning prejudice against 1.5 billion people is burning the haystack to find a needle. I guess you could answer "the Eastern Hemisphere" and be technically correct in where it's all coming from, but that would not be useful information. Legal discrimination -------he just can't figure out how to do it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 315] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-07-2012 05:31 PM Whether or not the details of what you say is true doesn't matter. You are off in an irrelevant sand trap. What does matter is where the money to train terrorists is coming from, where the training is done to perform violent acts on US soil, where the material to perform terrorist acts is produced, etc. Fanning prejudice against 1.5 billion people is burning the haystack to find a needle. I guess you could answer "the Eastern Hemisphere" and be technically correct in where it's all coming from, but that would not be useful information. The details of what I say true about Islam do matter and matter greatly. Speaking truth is not fanning prejudice! Courting those that plan on your destruction is foolish and reveals a lack of understanding of their true nature! They will never yield, never appreciate any kindness given , never stop their ultimate goal. That is what you refuse to see , admit or properly address! They live for Allah and NOTHING ELSE. And Allah has commanded them to subjugate the entire world by any and all means they can find to use! This can not be ignored or foolishly believed to be up for negotiation!!! They will foolishly obey their leaders, Islam means total submission!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 316] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-07-2012 05:54 PM The details of what I say true about Islam do matter and matter greatly. Speaking truth is not fanning prejudice! Courting those that plan on your destruction is foolish and reveals a lack of understanding of their true nature! They will never yield, never appreciate any kindness given , never stop their ultimate goal. That is what you refuse to see , admit or properly address! They live for Allah and NOTHING ELSE. And Allah has commanded them to subjugate the entire world by any and all means they can find to use! This can not be ignored or foolishly believed to be up for negotiation!!! They will foolishly obey their leaders, Islam means total submission!--Tyr and the only answer you have involves discriminating against Muslims which is unconstitutional. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 317] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-07-2012 06:39 PM and the only answer you have involves discriminating against Muslims which is unconstitutional. How is my demand that we honor and use the Constitution more unconstitutional? I have not called for a roundup of muslims as was suggested by another here . Nor have I called for any illegal activities against them! I have called for the problem to be recognised and addressed intead of being denied or appeased . Sharia law in this nation should be ruled completely unconstitutional and you tell me how thats my advocating something that is Unconstitutional..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 318] Author : aboutime Date : 10-07-2012 06:44 PM and the only answer you have involves discriminating against Muslims which is unconstitutional. Dilloduck. You mean someone here is doing the very same thing Obama does, when he speaks of "My people?" Obama ignores the constitution, and uses discrimination in nearly every speech he makes, but you say nothing about that??? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 319] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-07-2012 08:18 PM Dilloduck. You mean someone here is doing the very same thing Obama does, when he speaks of "My people?" Obama ignores the constitution, and uses discrimination in nearly every speech he makes, but you say nothing about that??? There are a lot of things I haven't talked about--so what ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 320] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-07-2012 08:21 PM How is my demand that we honor and use the Constitution more unconstitutional? I have not called for a roundup of muslims as was suggested by another here . Nor have I called for any illegal activities against them! I have called for the problem to be recognised and addressed intead of being denied or appeased . Sharia law in this nation should be ruled completely unconstitutional and you tell me how thats my advocating something that is Unconstitutional..-Tyr kabump... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 321] Author : aboutime Date : 10-07-2012 09:10 PM There are a lot of things I haven't talked about--so what ? Too bad you had to respond in the typical, NON-RESPONSE Liberal mode. Actually recognized as NO ANSWER. What's the problem? Can't come up with a typical Obama kind of excuse? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 322] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-08-2012 08:24 AM Too bad you had to respond in the typical, NON-RESPONSE Liberal mode. Actually recognized as NO ANSWER. What's the problem? Can't come up with a typical Obama kind of excuse? He has went into no answer mode on my last reply to him.. Apparently he can not think of a good spinning reply.-:laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 323] Author : aboutime Date : 10-08-2012 03:43 PM He has went into no answer mode on my last reply to him.. Apparently he can not think of a good spinning reply.-:laugh: Might just be a ssssttttuttering ppppproblem. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 324] Author : Drummond Date : 10-08-2012 04:05 PM The details of what I say true about Islam do matter and matter greatly. Speaking truth is not fanning prejudice! Courting those that plan on your destruction is foolish and reveals a lack of understanding of their true nature! They will never yield, never appreciate any kindness given , never stop their ultimate goal. That is what you refuse to see , admit or properly address! They live for Allah and NOTHING ELSE. And Allah has commanded them to subjugate the entire world by any and all means they can find to use! This can not be ignored or foolishly believed to be up for negotiation!!! They will foolishly obey their leaders, Islam means total submission!--Tyr :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: Putting this simply (perhaps overly simply ?) .. when dealing with a disease, addressing symptoms has only limited value, since you can be tied up with such efforts interminably. What really matters is to recognise the CAUSE, and address THAT. Tyr's postings do exactly that. Islam has the long-term goal of universal domination. Tailfins, it is this which needs to be understood and taken on. For as long as people only care about who has what capability to deploy bombs, or other terrorist attacks, what is driving it all will never be addressed. Tackle two terrorist cells, but do nothing to counter what is generating their existence, and it'd only be a matter of time before more cells replace the tackled ones. ... rather like dealing with cancer symptoms, in fact, without trying to eradicate the cancer itself. Understand the nature of the enemy, its determination to win. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 325] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-08-2012 04:12 PM That's it---ya got me--I'm a muslim terrorist :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 326] Author : aboutime Date : 10-08-2012 06:09 PM That's it---ya got me--I'm a muslim terrorist :laugh2: It would really be good for the nation if Mister Obama would own up to that as well Dilloduck. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 327] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-08-2012 06:42 PM That's it---ya got me--I'm a muslim terrorist :laugh2: Are you now on a confession kick? Didnt ya mean appeaser? That typo makes a huge difference amigo.--:laugh:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 328] Author : logroller Date : 10-08-2012 07:56 PM The details of what I say true about Islam do matter and matter greatly. Speaking truth is not fanning prejudice! Courting those that plan on your destruction is foolish and reveals a lack of understanding of their true nature! They will never yield, never appreciate any kindness given , never stop their ultimate goal. That is what you refuse to see , admit or properly address! They live for Allah and NOTHING ELSE. And Allah has commanded them to subjugate the entire world by any and all means they can find to use! This can not be ignored or foolishly believed to be up for negotiation!!! They will foolishly obey their leaders, Islam means total submission!--Tyr The only thing which is foolish is telling one side of story and pretending it is the whole truth. You come across very egocentric. You'd be wise to consider other perspectives. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 329] Author : Kathianne Date : 10-08-2012 08:26 PM The only thing which is foolish is telling one side of story and pretending it is the whole truth. You come across very egocentric. You'd be wise to consider other perspectives. In reality, I think his and some others problems are with delivery, not content. Just my opinion. I find the delivery wrong too. It condemns those who aren't of that ilk, but too many are. Thus the conundrum between delivery and content. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 330] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-08-2012 08:35 PM Are you now on a confession kick? Didnt ya mean appeaser? That typo makes a huge difference amigo.--:laugh:-Tyr Nope----slap the cuffs on me---your super sleuth intuition has caught you a real live arab terrorist. Curses -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 331] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-08-2012 09:21 PM In reality, I think his and some others problems are with delivery, not content. Just my opinion. I find the delivery wrong too. It condemns those who aren't of that ilk, but too many are. Thus the conundrum between delivery and content. My delivery and exact manner of posting is far more benign than are the terrorist actions taken and ultimate goal of Islam. Which by the way , those who supposedly "arent of that ilk" subscribe to all the same. It is a matter of truly understanding Islam and its all consuming goal or not, usually the not includes considering the ones not yet fighting but refusing to admit how much they support and cheer the ones that are fighting us! I simply know more about Islam than many that think being tender and even appeasing scores points and will help change them. Their religion allows for zero change of the goal of forcing the entire world to either convert to Islam or else be slaughtered. This point is what many fail to understand in its intensity of purpose and absolute rejection of anything but success. There is no negotiating on the reduction or abandoning of that goal!! No matter what clever ploys they use or statements they play. If no reformation in their religion then there can be no changing of that goal. And that goal is pure evil that will happily murder hundreds of millions to achieve its success. And only a reformation that they freely chose to take of their own accord will matter in that respect. Its not my job to force those trying to counter my stand to make a deep and intensive study of Islam. They need to do that but most feel they know enough already to counter my stand and from the posts here that I read that is just pure bullshit. They spit back the same lines taught to them by Islamic propaganda many many decades in the making. The mere fact that they have no concept of what a hydra Islam truly is reveals that all too clearly to me! Even Jafar, a muslim , either does not know or else will not admit much of what is absolutely true about his own religion. At least he has that excuse, what do the Americans here that speak with such supposed authority have to back up their idiotcy in respewing the propaganda handed them by the Islamists!???? So far , I see that-- I know, Jim knows , Drummonds knows, Aboutime knows and possibly a couple others. I know more because I've spent over a decade of intensive study on the subject. AND MY SEARCH WAS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF ISLAM. I FOUND IT AND ITS NOT PRETTY AT ALL. What Jafar calls the hate site that Jim and I both post so often is a site that posts the TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM, ITS JUST THAT DAMN SIMPLE. I DONT PLAY WITH WORDS, SUGARCOAT IT OR ATTEMPT ANY DAMN PC CRAP. The truth about Islam is brutal because the religion itself is brutal..--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 332] Author : Kathianne Date : 10-08-2012 09:58 PM My delivery and exact manner of posting is far more benign than are the terrorist actions taken and ultimate goal of Islam. Which by the way , those who supposedly "arent of that ilk" subscribe to all the same. It is a matter of truly understanding Islam and its all consuming goal or not, usually the not includes considering the ones not yet fighting but refusing to admit how much they support and cheer the ones that are fighting us! I simply know more about Islam than many that think being tender and even appeasing scores points and will help change them. Their religion allows for zero change of the goal of forcing the entire world to either convert to Islam or else be slaughtered. This point is what many fail to understand in its intensity of purpose and absolute rejection of anything but success. There is no negotiating on the reduction or abandoning of that goal!! No matter what clever ploys they use or statements they play. If no reformation in their religion then there can be no changing of that goal. And that goal is pure evil that will happily murder hundreds of millions to achieve its success. And only a reformation that they freely chose to take of their own accord will matter in that respect. Its not my job to force those trying to counter my stand to make a deep and intensive study of Islam. They need to do that but most feel they know enough already to counter my stand and from the posts here that I read that is just pure bullshit. They spit back the same lines taught to them by Islamic propaganda many many decades in the making. The mere fact that they have no concept of what a hydra Islam truly is reveals that all too clearly to me! Even Jafar, a muslim , either does not know or else will not admit much of what is absolutely true about his own religion. At least he has that excuse, what do the Americans here that speak with such supposed authority have to back up their idiotcy in respewing the propaganda handed them by the Islamists!???? So far , I see that-- I know, Jim knows , Drummonds knows, Aboutime knows and possibly a couple others. I know more because I've spent over a decade of intensive study on the subject. AND MY SEARCH WAS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF ISLAM. I FOUND IT AND ITS NOT PRETTY AT ALL. What Jafar calls the hate site that Jim and I both post so often is a site that posts the TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM, ITS JUST THAT DAMN SIMPLE. I DONT PLAY WITH WORDS, SUGARCOAT IT OR ATTEMPT ANY DAMN PC CRAP. The truth about Islam is brutal because the religion itself is brutal..--Tyr You and others, how you post and respond, is entirely up to you. I've no 'magic powers' to change any of it. I really don't care, unless being with you all at this site, puts me in a camp with how you all are currently posting. My agenda as it is, get Obama out. That means convincing others that his way is wrong. That's unlikely to happen if one is labeling him a Muslim, while criticizing him for his Rev. Wright stands. By the same token it's only logical to push up Romney's foreign and domestic stands, while criticizing Obama's performance on both. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 333] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-08-2012 10:15 PM My delivery and exact manner of posting is far more benign than are the terrorist actions taken and ultimate goal of Islam. Which by the way , those who supposedly "arent of that ilk" subscribe to all the same. It is a matter of truly understanding Islam and its all consuming goal or not, usually the not includes considering the ones not yet fighting but refusing to admit how much they support and cheer the ones that are fighting us! I simply know more about Islam than many that think being tender and even appeasing scores points and will help change them. Their religion allows for zero change of the goal of forcing the entire world to either convert to Islam or else be slaughtered. This point is what many fail to understand in its intensity of purpose and absolute rejection of anything but success. There is no negotiating on the reduction or abandoning of that goal!! No matter what clever ploys they use or statements they play. If no reformation in their religion then there can be no changing of that goal. And that goal is pure evil that will happily murder hundreds of millions to achieve its success. And only a reformation that they freely chose to take of their own accord will matter in that respect. Its not my job to force those trying to counter my stand to make a deep and intensive study of Islam. They need to do that but most feel they know enough already to counter my stand and from the posts here that I read that is just pure bullshit. They spit back the same lines taught to them by Islamic propaganda many many decades in the making. The mere fact that they have no concept of what a hydra Islam truly is reveals that all too clearly to me! Even Jafar, a muslim , either does not know or else will not admit much of what is absolutely true about his own religion. At least he has that excuse, what do the Americans here that speak with such supposed authority have to back up their idiotcy in respewing the propaganda handed them by the Islamists!???? So far , I see that-- I know, Jim knows , Drummonds knows, Aboutime knows and possibly a couple others. I know more because I've spent over a decade of intensive study on the subject. AND MY SEARCH WAS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF ISLAM. I FOUND IT AND ITS NOT PRETTY AT ALL. What Jafar calls the hate site that Jim and I both post so often is a site that posts the TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM, ITS JUST THAT DAMN SIMPLE. I DONT PLAY WITH WORDS, SUGARCOAT IT OR ATTEMPT ANY DAMN PC CRAP. The truth about Islam is brutal because the religion itself is brutal..--Tyr Shocker---everyone who agrees with you understands Islam. Who was your teacher ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 334] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-08-2012 10:25 PM Shocker---everyone who agrees with you understands Islam. Who was your teacher ? YOU SPEAK AS IF YOU ARE VERY INFORMED ABOUT ISLAM. WHO WAS YOUR TEACHER?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 335] Author : Missileman Date : 10-09-2012 03:58 AM My delivery and exact manner of posting is far more benign than are the terrorist actions taken and ultimate goal of Islam. Which by the way , those who supposedly "arent of that ilk" subscribe to all the same. It is a matter of truly understanding Islam and its all consuming goal or not, usually the not includes considering the ones not yet fighting but refusing to admit how much they support and cheer the ones that are fighting us! I simply know more about Islam than many that think being tender and even appeasing scores points and will help change them. Their religion allows for zero change of the goal of forcing the entire world to either convert to Islam or else be slaughtered. This point is what many fail to understand in its intensity of purpose and absolute rejection of anything but success. There is no negotiating on the reduction or abandoning of that goal!! No matter what clever ploys they use or statements they play. If no reformation in their religion then there can be no changing of that goal. And that goal is pure evil that will happily murder hundreds of millions to achieve its success. And only a reformation that they freely chose to take of their own accord will matter in that respect. Its not my job to force those trying to counter my stand to make a deep and intensive study of Islam. They need to do that but most feel they know enough already to counter my stand and from the posts here that I read that is just pure bullshit. They spit back the same lines taught to them by Islamic propaganda many many decades in the making. The mere fact that they have no concept of what a hydra Islam truly is reveals that all too clearly to me! Even Jafar, a muslim , either does not know or else will not admit much of what is absolutely true about his own religion. At least he has that excuse, what do the Americans here that speak with such supposed authority have to back up their idiotcy in respewing the propaganda handed them by the Islamists!???? So far , I see that-- I know, Jim knows , Drummonds knows, Aboutime knows and possibly a couple others. I know more because I've spent over a decade of intensive study on the subject. AND MY SEARCH WAS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF ISLAM. I FOUND IT AND ITS NOT PRETTY AT ALL. What Jafar calls the hate site that Jim and I both post so often is a site that posts the TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM, ITS JUST THAT DAMN SIMPLE. I DONT PLAY WITH WORDS, SUGARCOAT IT OR ATTEMPT ANY DAMN PC CRAP. The truth about Islam is brutal because the religion itself is brutal..--Tyr In matters of sprituality, you have no claim to the truth because the truth may or may not be what you perceive it to be. Islam well may be brutal and some of its adherents are without a doubt. The thing you refuse to acknowledge in all your rantings is that since there is no proof to the contrary, Islam may have the inside line to the truth. Not that I believe it's the case, but the Koran is just as likely a divinely inspired guidebook as the Bible. You demand they abandon their truth all the while clinging to yours. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 336] Author : logroller Date : 10-09-2012 05:11 AM In reality, I think his and some others problems are with delivery, not content. Just my opinion. I find the delivery wrong too. It condemns those who aren't of that ilk, but too many are. Thus the conundrum between delivery and content. He stated in another thread that he'd laugh at the death of another human being; further elaborating that he'd feel no pity. Could he have delivered that statement more palatably; or perhaps, is it the content? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 337] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-09-2012 07:37 AM He stated in another thread that he'd laugh at the death of another human being; further elaborating that he'd feel no pity. Could he have delivered that statement more palatably; or perhaps, is it the content? I damn sure did. And I will laugh at their idiotcy. Why should I cry if they get the justice that they deserve over there? Nobody made them go, nobody forced them to place themselves in such danger. What you conveniently ignore is that by giving aid and comfort to our enemies they are breaking the law and are criminals. You may cry for criminals but I do not. Your goody-two-shoes stick is getting old and only fools believe it.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 338] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-09-2012 07:41 AM In matters of sprituality, you have no claim to the truth because the truth may or may not be what you perceive it to be. Islam well may be brutal and some of its adherents are without a doubt. The thing you refuse to acknowledge in all your rantings is that since there is no proof to the contrary, Islam may have the inside line to the truth. Not that I believe it's the case, but the Koran is just as likely a divinely inspired guidebook as the Bible. You demand they abandon their truth all the while clinging to yours. Are you that damn dense or just predisposed to lying? I demand that they STOP MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS TO FURTHER THEIR INSANE WORLD DOMINATION AGENDA. YOU CALL THAT --THEIR TRUTH!!! YOU ARE REAL FOOLISH FOR SURE..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 339] Author : Missileman Date : 10-09-2012 08:10 AM Are you that damn dense or just predisposed to lying? I demand that they STOP MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS TO FURTHER THEIR INSANE WORLD DOMINATION AGENDA. YOU CALL THAT --THEIR TRUTH!!! YOU ARE REAL FOOLISH FOR SURE..-Tyr I'll say it really slowly, again, for the learning impaired. If Allah is the one TRUE god and Muslims are indeed acting as their god would have them act, then who the fuck are you to tell them to disobey GOD? BTW, you're the dense one in this thread and I defy you to point to a lie. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 340] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-09-2012 08:33 AM I'll say it really slowly, again, for the learning impaired. If Allah is the one TRUE god and Muslims are indeed acting as their god would have them act, then who the fuck are you to tell them to disobey GOD? BTW, you're the dense one in this thread and I defy you to point to a lie. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I did not demand that they abandone their faith unless you now admit that their faith is murdering innocent people because that was always and is my damn demand. So either you did lie about what I truly demand or you are now admitting that murdering innocent people is their truth,their faith! And if you admit that then by any standard of decency you dont have a damn leg to stand on genius.. You are not real sharp on thinking deeper than one plus one are you?--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 341] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 09:40 AM YOU SPEAK AS IF YOU ARE VERY INFORMED ABOUT ISLAM. WHO WAS YOUR TEACHER?-Tyr I suspected as much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 342] Author : red states rule Date : 10-09-2012 09:47 AM FAA PROFILING: FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION TRANSPORTATION SECURITY SCREENER ATTITUDE ASSESSMENT … To insure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport screeners will not be allowed to profile people. They will continue random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning former state Governors. In accordance with this policy, Transportation Security Screener applicants are being asked to take the following test, which will ensure that employees do not harbor hidden biases that could lead to unfortunate assumptions: --- In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, Israeli athletes were kidnapped and massacred by: a. Olga Corbutt b. Sitting Bull c. Arnold Schwartzeneger d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 --- In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by: a. Lost Norwegians b. Elvis c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 --- During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by: a. John Dillinger b. The King of Sweden c. The Boy Scouts d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 --- In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by: a. A pizza delivery boy b. Pee Wee Herman c. Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40. --- In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered in his wheelchair and thrown overboard by: a. The Smurfs b. Davy Jones c. The Little Mermaid d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40. --- In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by: a. Captain Kid b. Charles Lindberg c. Mother Teresa d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 --- In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by: a. Scooby Doo b. The Tooth Fairy c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 --- In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by: a. Richard Simmons b. Grandma Moses c. Michael Jordan d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 --- In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by: a. Mr. Rogers b. Hillary Clinton c. The World Wrestling Federation d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 --- On 9/11/2001, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of innocent people were murdered by: a. Bugs Bunny, Wile E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, Elmer Fudd b. Florida's Governor Jeb Bush c. Mr. Bean d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 --- In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against: a. Enron b. The Lutheran Church c. The NFL d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 --- In 2002 four French journalists, including one woman, were dragged from their cars near the Pakistan border with Afghanistan, taken behind some rocks, and shot to death by: a. Gang Green's front four b. Barney c. The Smashing Pumpkins d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 --- In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by: a. Bonny and Clyde b. Captain Kangaroo c. Billy Graham d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 --- American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami on December 22, 2001 had a passenger with a ‘Shoe Bomb’ who tried to blow up the plane but was over powered and captured by passengers was: a. A distraught Al Gore gone radical 1960’s hippie mental b. Monica Lewinsky who said she was tired of hearing Bill play the Saxophone c. Donald Rumsfeld d. Richard Colvan Reid a.k.a. Tariq Rajah a.k.a. Abdel Rahim, a typical useless low life cowardly radical Muslim jerk-- caught and convicted of this crime --- In May 2004 American Businessman Nicholas Evan Berg was captured in Iraq and beheaded by: a. The French Foreign Legion using a guillotine under direct orders from President Jacques Chirac b. A wild band of crazy Japanese Samurai Warriors c. A Philippine Truck Driver who rig ran out of control d. Committed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of an Islamist (Muslim) terrorist group which is part of al-Qaida operating inside Iraq Now, please review your answers according to the following key: ‘D’ – as in all answers are ‘D’ If you answered any of the questions incorrectly, please go to the following link and immediately apply for an airport screening position ... http://www.tsa.dot.gov/ http://www.bibleprobe.com/waronterrorupdate.htm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 343] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-09-2012 09:52 AM It would be funny, if it wasn't so tragically true. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 344] Author : red states rule Date : 10-09-2012 09:53 AM It would be funny, if it wasn't so tragically true. As I have posted before Abbey, not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists have been Muslims -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 345] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 09:58 AM The obvious solution is to outlaw the practice of Islam in America--problem solved. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 346] Author : red states rule Date : 10-09-2012 10:00 AM The obvious solution is to outlaw the practice of Islam in America--problem solved. You know you are beaten in the debate when you fall back on the over the top BS crap. Yes, play the race card and feel good about yourself Dillo, why you have a soft spot for the f'n terrorists is beyond me -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 347] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 10:03 AM You know you are beaten in the debate when you fall back on the over the top BS crap. Yes, play the race card and feel good about yourself Dillo, why you have a soft spot for the f'n terrorists is beyond me What's your solution? Bitchin and moaning solves nothing. I've heard complaints about TSA and muslims for years now. NOTHING IS CHANGED. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 348] Author : red states rule Date : 10-09-2012 10:06 AM What's your solution? Bitchin and moaning solves nothing. I've heard complaints about TSA and muslims for years now. NOTHING IS CHANGED. As a start..... We act like we are in a war We stop worrying about "offending" the Muslim groups We actually do racial profile for the terrorists and we do not treat terrorism as a crime but an act of war -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 349] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 10:37 AM As a start..... We act like we are in a war We stop worrying about "offending" the Muslim groups We actually do racial profile for the terrorists and we do not treat terrorism as a crime but an act of war Unconstitutional. Next idea ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 350] Author : red states rule Date : 10-09-2012 10:39 AM Unconstitutional. Next idea ? Yes it is unconstitutional for America to defend itself. I remember John Kerry talking about getting a permission slip from the UN before Amercia defends itself Again Dillo, why the soft spot for the f'n terrorists? Did 9/11 teach you nothing? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 351] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 10:44 AM Yes it is unconstitutional for America to defend itself. I remember John Kerry talking about getting a permission slip from the UN before Amercia defends itself Again Dillo, why the soft spot for the f'n terrorists? Did 9/11 teach you nothing? If you could slip out of your partisan hack persona for a sec and listen for a second it would help. There is no love in my heart for killers of any sort and even before 9/11 I knew there was no such thing as security. Did the the civil rights movement not teach you anything ? The US Constitution is not a UN document. It is America's law. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 352] Author : red states rule Date : 10-09-2012 10:49 AM If you could slip out of your partisan hack persona for a sec and listen for a second it would help. There is no love in my heart for killers of any sort and even before 9/11 I knew there was no such thing as security. Did the the civil rights movement not teach you anything ? The US Constitution is not a UN document. It is America's law. I am not whining for the "rights" of terrorists nor do I see how it is unconstitutional for Amercia to defend itself You are the one with a hard on for the trerrorists Dilo not me. If that makes me a "political hack" so be it - I plead guilty And if you are going to compare the civil rights movement to protecting and shielding terrorist, then you are insulting those who stood up to the fire hoses and attack dogs. Of course desperate people do desperate things. and you very desperate in this debate -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 353] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 10:56 AM I am not whining for the "rights" of terrorists nor do I see how it is unconstitutional for Amercia to defend itself You are the one with a hard on for the trerrorists Dilo not me. If that makes me a "political hack" so be it - I plead guilty And if you are going to compare the civil rights movement to protecting and shielding terrorist, then you are insulting those who stood up to the fire hoses and attack dogs. Of course desperate people do desperate things. and you very desperate in this debate Desperate enough to ignore the Constutution ? You sound just like Obama. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 354] Author : red states rule Date : 10-09-2012 10:58 AM Desperate enough to ignore the Constutution ? You sound just like Obama. This from the poster who uses the quote of a rapist as his signiture It is clear what your values and prioities lie Dillo and please show me where foreign terrorists are protected by the US Constitution -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 355] Author : Missileman Date : 10-09-2012 11:07 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I did not demand that they abandone their faith unless you now admit that their faith is murdering innocent people because that was always and is my damn demand. So either you did lie about what I truly demand or you are now admitting that murdering innocent people is their truth,their faith! And if you admit that then by any standard of decency you dont have a damn leg to stand on genius.. You are not real sharp on thinking deeper than one plus one are you?--Tyr Imbecile! Ask yourself what the truth is to a Muslim. You sure as hell are demanding they abandon it. I'll ask you again, but you'll dodge it anyways...Who are you to demand they disobey GOD? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 356] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 11:08 AM This form the poster who uses the quote of a rapist as his signiture It is clear what your values and prioities lie Dillo and please show me where foreign terrorists are protected by the US Constitution Are you going for intentionally ignorant ? The constitution even gives alleged rapists certain rights. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 357] Author : red states rule Date : 10-09-2012 11:10 AM Are you going for intentionally ignorant ? The constitution even gives alleged rapists certain rights. and your support of the rapist tells me (and everyone else) alot about you Dillo Seems you are getting abit unhinged - may I suggest Decaf? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 358] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 11:11 AM and your support of the rapist tells me (and everyone else) alot about you Dillo Seems you are getting abit unhinged - may I suggest Decaf? Am I right or not ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 359] Author : red states rule Date : 10-09-2012 11:15 AM Am I right or not ? Hey you want to support a rapist that is up to you. Why not add a quote from jerry Sandusky while you are at it? By the way I bet you had no problem with him publishing classfied info on his website -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 360] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 11:19 AM Hey you want to support a rapist that is up to you. Why not add a quote from jerry Sandusky while you are at it? By the way I bet you had no problem with him publishing classfied info on his website I'm supporting the Constitution. You aren't. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 361] Author : red states rule Date : 10-09-2012 11:21 AM I'm supporting the Constitution. You aren't. The terrorists thank you for your support (as well as the rapists) I guess you do not care that people died due to your guy publishing classified docs Dillo. It all about your warped sense of "patriotism" and I bet you fell damn good about yourself as well -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 362] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 11:23 AM The terrorists thank you for your support (as well as the rapists) I guess you do not care that people died due to your guy publishing classified docs Dillo. It all about your warped sense of "patriotism" and I bet you fell damn good about yourself as well People all over the country are grateful for the constitution. I'm sorry you and some others feel we need to ignore it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 363] Author : red states rule Date : 10-09-2012 11:26 AM People all over the country are grateful for the constitution. I'm sorry you and some others feel we need to ignore it. Not when it prevents the US from defending itself and when people are KILLED Dillo It is clear you could not care less about that minor happening. It is fools like you that are the terrorists useful idiots and cause them shake their heads in disbelief people like you can be that f's stupid -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 364] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 11:30 AM Not when it prevents the US from defending itself and when people are KILLED Dillo It is clear you could not care less about that minor happening. It is fools like you that are the terrorists useful idiots and cause them shake their heads in disbelief people like you can be that f's stupid The Rights and Protections in the Constitution have resulted in many "guilty" people going free. It's the price we pay. You don't like it ? Change it. I can't imagine any candidate being real happy about having supporters that openly support ignoring the constitution. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 365] Author : Drummond Date : 10-09-2012 06:06 PM As a start..... We act like we are in a war We stop worrying about "offending" the Muslim groups We actually do racial profile for the terrorists and we do not treat terrorism as a crime but an act of war :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: Perfectly put ! 9/11 was the day war was declared. The enemy hasn't laid down its arms, hasn't surrendered, hasn't shown any sign of showing us that it's given up BEING an enemy. Since when does one regard an enemy as a friend .. just because some fashion, or chosen convenience, makes it seem - perversely - 'OK' ?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 366] Author : aboutime Date : 10-09-2012 06:12 PM :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: Perfectly put ! 9/11 was the day war was declared. The enemy hasn't laid down its arms, hasn't surrendered, hasn't shown any sign of showing us that it's given up BEING an enemy. Since when does one regard an enemy as a friend .. just because some fashion, or chosen convenience, makes it seem - perversely - 'OK' ?? AMEN! This reminds me of WHY the Obama administration demanded the Press, better known as the MSM, cease using the words WAR ON TERROR, and TERRORISTS. Probably because those words APPLIED more specifically to the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. Just use HOLDER as an example of an INBRED American terrorist who disobeys, and ignores the constitution. Sadly. Today. We seem to have MORE Enemies living within our borders than outside. And their WAR ROOM in located in Washington DC at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NOW THAT IS PERVERSE. And...so is this.....3978 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 367] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 06:14 PM :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: Perfectly put ! 9/11 was the day war was declared. The enemy hasn't laid down its arms, hasn't surrendered, hasn't shown any sign of showing us that it's given up BEING an enemy. Since when does one regard an enemy as a friend .. just because some fashion, or chosen convenience, makes it seem - perversely - 'OK' ?? Why does the enemy insist on killing themselves? Seems like wacky strategy to me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 368] Author : aboutime Date : 10-09-2012 06:27 PM Why does the enemy insist on killing themselves? Seems like wacky strategy to me. Dilloduck. The enemy has just updated their methods of KAMAKAZI tactics from Japanese Zero's to BELTS made of Explosives. It's not wacky to them. They are all looking forward to those 72 Male Virgins, or that One 72 year old Virgin that they will find in SHANGRI-LA, Muslim style. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 369] Author : Drummond Date : 10-09-2012 06:29 PM My delivery and exact manner of posting is far more benign than are the terrorist actions taken and ultimate goal of Islam. Which by the way , those who supposedly "arent of that ilk" subscribe to all the same. It is a matter of truly understanding Islam and its all consuming goal or not, usually the not includes considering the ones not yet fighting but refusing to admit how much they support and cheer the ones that are fighting us! I simply know more about Islam than many that think being tender and even appeasing scores points and will help change them. Their religion allows for zero change of the goal of forcing the entire world to either convert to Islam or else be slaughtered. This point is what many fail to understand in its intensity of purpose and absolute rejection of anything but success. There is no negotiating on the reduction or abandoning of that goal!! No matter what clever ploys they use or statements they play. If no reformation in their religion then there can be no changing of that goal. And that goal is pure evil that will happily murder hundreds of millions to achieve its success. And only a reformation that they freely chose to take of their own accord will matter in that respect. Its not my job to force those trying to counter my stand to make a deep and intensive study of Islam. They need to do that but most feel they know enough already to counter my stand and from the posts here that I read that is just pure bullshit. They spit back the same lines taught to them by Islamic propaganda many many decades in the making. The mere fact that they have no concept of what a hydra Islam truly is reveals that all too clearly to me! Even Jafar, a muslim , either does not know or else will not admit much of what is absolutely true about his own religion. At least he has that excuse, what do the Americans here that speak with such supposed authority have to back up their idiotcy in respewing the propaganda handed them by the Islamists!???? So far , I see that-- I know, Jim knows , Drummonds knows, Aboutime knows and possibly a couple others. I know more because I've spent over a decade of intensive study on the subject. AND MY SEARCH WAS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF ISLAM. I FOUND IT AND ITS NOT PRETTY AT ALL. What Jafar calls the hate site that Jim and I both post so often is a site that posts the TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM, ITS JUST THAT DAMN SIMPLE. I DONT PLAY WITH WORDS, SUGARCOAT IT OR ATTEMPT ANY DAMN PC CRAP. The truth about Islam is brutal because the religion itself is brutal..--Tyr :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: Absolutely ! Totally agree. I may be from the UK, but if anything this has SHARPENED my sense of what Islam is truly about. Muslims go to a country, to live, to stay, to establish themselves. What they DON'T DO, EVER, is try to integrate. They form their communities, shape them how they want, INSIST that the native population defer to THEM, then use whatever means they can to consolidate not only their non-integrated communities, but to change their environment so that it becomes as Islamic-friendly as possible. They want mosques ... they build them. Whether or not it defies the law of the land, they hold their Sharia courts. Anyone protesting, defying them, is hit with the 'racist' tag in order to silence them, and if all else fails, then their militancy comes to the fore, which can lead to anything. Protests. Marches. Maybe violent attacks, with or without bombs. Theirs is a religion of conquest. They are intolerant to others not like them, but insist on total tolerance from others. Displaced populations ? TOO BAD. They want to move to your neighbourhood, so they'll do so. Anyone ever objecting is a bigot and a racist. In their homelands, they are intolerant to any religion that isn't Islamic. In foreign lands they occupy, they build mosques where churches have been or could be. Anyone 'insults' their religion, their precious Koran, their perverted Prophet Mohammed .. death threats follow, sometimes violence, sometimes killings. Ultimately speaking, they employ an 'accept us or risk death' policy ... as Jihads and Fatwas, not to mention outright terrorism, readily testify. And as to what they do to THEMSELVES .. well, what about honour killings ? Stonings ? Beheadings ? What's the penalty for apostacy ?? Faced with all of these undoubted and verifiable truths ... why do people still consider it the 'enlightened' thing to do, to show them all possible tolerance ? WITHOUT PROVOCATION OF ANY KIND, 9/11 HAPPENED ... AND STILL, THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO DEFER TO ISLAMISTS ! I really fail to see why. So I say this ... those who want to defy Tyr's postings in whatever manner you choose to do so .. WHY do you, when so much of what he tells us is known and verifiable ? Is it because Leftie 'PC' propaganda has conned you into it ? Is it because you, too, live in fear of the merest possibility of being branded with the nonsensical 'racist' tag if you don't do the 'trendy' thing and go into terminal deference mode ?? Really .. I'd like to know. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 370] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-09-2012 06:35 PM Imbecile! Ask yourself what the truth is to a Muslim. You sure as hell are demanding they abandon it. I'll ask you again, but you'll dodge it anyways...Who are you to demand they disobey GOD? You are the imbecile not me. You try to justify the evil murdering that they do by the amount of faith they put in it being right thing to do because their God says so. You are just as ffed up as they are with that lameass reasoning! They --believe-- so by your idiotcy Im wrong for pointing out how wrong they are, when they murder for Allah. You are without a doubt about as smart as a box of rocks with that line of bullshat..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 371] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 06:38 PM Dilloduck. The enemy has just updated their methods of KAMAKAZI tactics from Japanese Zero's to BELTS made of Explosives. It's not wacky to them. They are all looking forward to those 72 Male Virgins, or that One 72 year old Virgin that they will find in SHANGRI-LA, Muslim style. Killing each other ain't wacky ? Seems like it to me----I thought the US was the enemy here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 372] Author : Drummond Date : 10-09-2012 06:41 PM Why does the enemy insist on killing themselves? Seems like wacky strategy to me. Perhaps they can't contain their brutality, their bloodlust ? Terrorist attacks happen. Terrorists don't conduct a census before attacking, to ensure that only non-Islamists are harmed. They just go ahead and maim, kill, destroy. Did any of the plane hijackers check to see their targets were free of Muslims beforehand ? Did any of the London Underground bombers, during the 7/7 attacks in London, board trains and evacuate Muslims from the carriages ? Or maybe pre-warn any would-be Muslim passengers to avoid Tavistock Square that day, so that the bus that was bombed was free of them ? Nope. Killing is killing, and let's face it, there are Muslims out there who get plenty of practice at it. It's not as though they place their own lives at a premium, for at least some of the time. Factions battle other factions. The Taliban is known for its lethal brutalities, not only against troops, but their own people. Honour killings, stonings, these things happen, in large part courtesy of Sharia judgments. You may call it 'wacky', Dilloduck. Muslims, I'm sure, have a different word. Such as .... 'Normality'. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 373] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 06:42 PM :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: Absolutely ! Totally agree. I may be from the UK, but if anything this has SHARPENED my sense of what Islam is truly about. Muslims go to a country, to live, to stay, to establish themselves. What they DON'T DO, EVER, is try to integrate. They form their communities, shape them how they want, INSIST that the native population defer to THEM, then use whatever means they can to consolidate not only their non-integrated communities, but to change their environment so that it becomes as Islamic-friendly as possible. They want mosques ... they build them. Whether or not it defies the law of the land, they hold their Sharia courts. Anyone protesting, defying them, is hit with the 'racist' tag in order to silence them, and if all else fails, then their militancy comes to the fore, which can lead to anything. Protests. Marches. Maybe violent attacks, with or without bombs. Theirs is a religion of conquest. They are intolerant to others not like them, but insist on total tolerance from others. Displaced populations ? TOO BAD. They want to move to your neighbourhood, so they'll do so. Anyone ever objecting is a bigot and a racist. In their homelands, they are intolerant to any religion that isn't Islamic. In foreign lands they occupy, they build mosques where churches have been or could be. Anyone 'insults' their religion, their precious Koran, their perverted Prophet Mohammed .. death threats follow, sometimes violence, sometimes killings. Ultimately speaking, they employ an 'accept us or risk death' policy ... as Jihads and Fatwas, not to mention outright terrorism, readily testify. And as to what they do to THEMSELVES .. well, what about honour killings ? Stonings ? Beheadings ? What's the penalty for apostacy ?? Faced with all of these undoubted and verifiable truths ... why do people still consider it the 'enlightened' thing to do, to show them all possible tolerance ? WITHOUT PROVOCATION OF ANY KIND, 9/11 HAPPENED ... AND STILL, THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO DEFER TO ISLAMISTS ! I really fail to see why. So I say this ... those who want to defy Tyr's postings in whatever manner you choose to do so .. WHY do you, when so much of what he tells us is known and verifiable ? Is it because Leftie 'PC' propaganda has conned you into it ? Is it because you, too, live in fear of the merest possibility of being branded with the nonsensical 'racist' tag if you don't do the 'trendy' thing and go into terminal deference mode ?? Really .. I'd like to know. No one wants to defer to them, drumass. The idea is that you jsut can't kill em all and solve the problem. Besides being illegal and all that rit rot, it's impossible. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 374] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 06:44 PM Perhaps they can't contain their brutality, their bloodlust ? Terrorist attacks happen. Terrorists don't conduct a census before attacking, to ensure that only non-Islamists are harmed. They just go ahead and maim, kill, destroy. Did any of the plane hijackers check to see their targets were free of Muslims beforehand ? Did any of the London Underground bombers, during the 7/7 attacks in London, board trains and evacuate Muslims from the carriages ? Or maybe pre-warn any would-be Muslim passengers to avoid Tavistock Square that day, so that the bus that was bombed was free of them ? Nope. Killing is killing, and let's face it, there are Muslims out there who get plenty of practice at it. It's not as though they place their own lives at a premium, for at least some of the time. Factions battle other factions. The Taliban is known for its lethal brutalities, not only against troops, but their own people. Honour killings, stonings, these things happen, in large part courtesy of Sharia judgments. You may call it 'wacky', Dilloduck. Muslims, I'm sure, have a different word. Such as .... 'Normality'. Bitch bitch bitch---they are war with each other and killing each other and you bitch. WTF do you want ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 375] Author : logroller Date : 10-09-2012 06:46 PM As I have posted before Abbey, not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists have been Muslims timothy mcveigh was Muslim? Don let facts get in the way of gross generalizations and prejudice. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 376] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 06:48 PM timothy mcveigh was Muslim? Don let facts get in the way of gross generalizations and prejudice. aww and it's such a cute little bromide. too bad it's bullshit. :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 377] Author : Drummond Date : 10-09-2012 06:50 PM AMEN! This reminds me of WHY the Obama administration demanded the Press, better known as the MSM, cease using the words WAR ON TERROR, and TERRORISTS. Probably because those words APPLIED more specifically to the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. Just use HOLDER as an example of an INBRED American terrorist who disobeys, and ignores the constitution. Sadly. Today. We seem to have MORE Enemies living within our borders than outside. And their WAR ROOM in located in Washington DC at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NOW THAT IS PERVERSE. And...so is this.....3978 :goodposting::goodposting: We had something similar. An internal BBC memo was circulated, instructing newsreaders and presenters not to volunteer the word 'terrorist' in any broadcasts. It was considered too negative, too much of a value judgment, something less than neutral. So we heard a lot about 'bombers' and 'insurgents' instead. When the truth hurts, it's hidden from view. Typical Leftie trick. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 378] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 06:53 PM :goodposting::goodposting: We had something similar. An internal BBC memo was circulated, instructing newsreaders and presenters not to volunteer the word 'terrorist' in any broadcasts. It was considered too negative, too much of a value judgment, something less than neutral. So we heard a lot about 'bombers' and 'insurgents' instead. When the truth hurts, it's hidden from view. Typical Leftie trick. Well Jesus Christ---are you Limeys just totally impotent now or what ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 379] Author : logroller Date : 10-09-2012 06:53 PM No one wants to defer to them, drumass. The idea is that you jsut can't kill em all and solve the problem. Besides being illegal and all that rit rot, it's impossible. Well a trip of a million miles... Step one: destabilize governments and incite civil wars :check: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 380] Author : Robert A Whit Date : 10-09-2012 06:54 PM You are the imbecile not me. You try to justify the evil murdering that they do by the amount of faith they put in it being right thing to do because their God says so. You are just as ffed up as they are with that lameass reasoning! They --believe-- so by your idiotcy Im wrong for pointing out how wrong they are, when they murder for Allah. You are without a doubt about as smart as a box of rocks with that line of bullshat..-Tyr I don't think they get it direct from GOD. As I understand them, based on hrs and hrs of direct talks with Muslims, GOd is ALLAH and they fly off the handle when Mohammed is trashed. He wrote down the rules. I hate to speak to the Koran since I have never read all of it. I would go to a book store and read some of the verses. That did not do me that much good. I can't accept that GOD much cares about the foibles of humans. I think GOD, the AWESOME POWER did indeed create the universe. But I am not talking of GOD in the fashion of religion. I speak of GOD as that power behind the curtain that actually created the entire universe. Does this mean I am not religious? Well no. I am. I believe in what is called, heaven. I believe humans have a new form of life upon death. It is a long story involving an uncle killed in combat as to my reasoning. It connects him, my deceased mother and the s tory of a soldier hardened in combat in WWII thinking he understand war and could survive. He was killed a few days into the Korean war trying to stop the yellow herd. He died in a rice paddy in Korea. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 381] Author : Drummond Date : 10-09-2012 06:55 PM aww and it's such a cute little bromide. too bad it's bullshit. :laugh: Ah yes, I've seen this argument - that very name - brought up before in just that way. Well ... count up all the Muslim terrorist attacks the world has seen. Stack that number against the total of terrorist attacks, say in the past 25 years, against all other terrorism. Do you SERIOUSLY argue that the number of Muslim terrorist acts wouldn't massively outweigh any other countering statistics ? For one .. ask the Israelis for just THEIR tally of attacks Muslims have perpetrated against them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 382] Author : Drummond Date : 10-09-2012 07:01 PM I don't think they get it direct from GOD. As I understand them, based on hrs and hrs of direct talks with Muslims, GOd is ALLAH and they fly off the handle when Mohammed is trashed. He wrote down the rules. I hate to speak to the Koran since I have never read all of it. I would go to a book store and read some of the verses. That did not do me that much good. I can't accept that GOD much cares about the foibles of humans. I think GOD, the AWESOME POWER did indeed create the universe. But I am not talking of GOD in the fashion of religion. I speak of GOD as that power behind the curtain that actually created the entire universe. Does this mean I am not religious? Well no. I am. I believe in what is called, heaven. I believe humans have a new form of life upon death. It is a long story involving an uncle killed in combat as to my reasoning. It connects him, my deceased mother and the s tory of a soldier hardened in combat in WWII thinking he understand war and could survive. He was killed a few days into the Korean war trying to stop the yellow herd. He died in a rice paddy in Korea. Actually, when you really get down to it, they get it from a pervert. Name of Mohammed. I've posted this link before .. but it's always worth seeing again. Here's a link to a BBC interview involving Anjem Choudary, the head figure behind 'Islam4uk', at the time of the video a newly-banned Islamic group (.. one that HAD enjoyed 'mainstream' acceptance, until they'd planned a march of protest against a procession in Wootton Bassett, designed to honour the returning British war dead from Afghanistan ..). Note from the interview the many direct questions fired at Choudary ... what they are, AND CHOUDARY'S REFUSAL TO ANSWER THEM ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQwp45PyWEM -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 383] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 07:02 PM Ah yes, I've seen this argument - that very name - brought up before in just that way. Well ... count up all the Muslim terrorist attacks the world has seen. Stack that number against the total of terrorist attacks, say in the past 25 years, against all other terrorism. Do you SERIOUSLY argue that the number of Muslim terrorist acts wouldn't massively outweigh any other countering statistics ? For one .. ask the Israelis for just THEIR tally of attacks Muslims have perpetrated against them. We are not debating what "outweighs" anything. To say all terrorists are Muslims is to lie ( or be very very stupid ). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 384] Author : Drummond Date : 10-09-2012 07:08 PM Well a trip of a million miles... Step one: destabilize governments and incite civil wars :check: Logroller, how would YOU end the scourge of Muslim terrorism ? Do you have any answers, or do you only have criticisms and self-defeating blame tactics to offer ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 385] Author : Drummond Date : 10-09-2012 07:12 PM We are not debating what "outweighs" anything. To say all terrorists are Muslims is to lie ( or be very very stupid ). Well ... YOU may not be indulging in that debate, Dilloduck. Understandably so, because you know where it would lead. And I didn't say that ALL terrorists are Muslims, as my previous posting made clear. I just asked you to consider that, in modern times, they are most certainly responsible for the majority. Care to show me I'm wrong ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 386] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-09-2012 07:13 PM :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: Absolutely ! Totally agree. I may be from the UK, but if anything this has SHARPENED my sense of what Islam is truly about. Muslims go to a country, to live, to stay, to establish themselves. What they DON'T DO, EVER, is try to integrate. They form their communities, shape them how they want, INSIST that the native population defer to THEM, then use whatever means they can to consolidate not only their non-integrated communities, but to change their environment so that it becomes as Islamic-friendly as possible. They want mosques ... they build them. Whether or not it defies the law of the land, they hold their Sharia courts. Anyone protesting, defying them, is hit with the 'racist' tag in order to silence them, and if all else fails, then their militancy comes to the fore, which can lead to anything. Protests. Marches. Maybe violent attacks, with or without bombs. Theirs is a religion of conquest. They are intolerant to others not like them, but insist on total tolerance from others. Displaced populations ? TOO BAD. They want to move to your neighbourhood, so they'll do so. Anyone ever objecting is a bigot and a racist. In their homelands, they are intolerant to any religion that isn't Islamic. In foreign lands they occupy, they build mosques where churches have been or could be. Anyone 'insults' their religion, their precious Koran, their perverted Prophet Mohammed .. death threats follow, sometimes violence, sometimes killings. Ultimately speaking, they employ an 'accept us or risk death' policy ... as Jihads and Fatwas, not to mention outright terrorism, readily testify. And as to what they do to THEMSELVES .. well, what about honour killings ? Stonings ? Beheadings ? What's the penalty for apostacy ?? Faced with all of these undoubted and verifiable truths ... why do people still consider it the 'enlightened' thing to do, to show them all possible tolerance ? WITHOUT PROVOCATION OF ANY KIND, 9/11 HAPPENED ... AND STILL, THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO DEFER TO ISLAMISTS ! I really fail to see why. So I say this ... those who want to defy Tyr's postings in whatever manner you choose to do so .. WHY do you, when so much of what he tells us is known and verifiable ? Is it because Leftie 'PC' propaganda has conned you into it ? Is it because you, too, live in fear of the merest possibility of being branded with the nonsensical 'racist' tag if you don't do the 'trendy' thing and go into terminal deference mode ?? Really .. I'd like to know. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My friend they reject the truth by issuing their hatred for me. I only deliver a portion of it and thats enough to bring out seething hatred complete with lying attacks made about me personally while they ignore the truth posted. Its diversion and a wicked joy mixed for them. I’ve said that Islam does not preach compassion, but Islam is intent on conquering the West, and to do so it is using all the opportunities that the West affords it. The very values, freedom and tolerance, that the West most esteems and embodies in its law, and that Islam would destroy, provide Islam with the means to destroy them. Muslims move into European countries and live freely. (Freely in more ways than one, as disproportionately large numbers of Muslim immigrants live on welfare handouts that the native population pay for with their taxes.) They set up their mosques to preach, and their madrassas to teach their children, to hate the values of their host countries, and to love submission and intolerance. They can do so because the host countries are Tolerant. If any of the native people protest that Islam is manifestly incompatible with their values, their own law/courts in the name of Tolerance punish them and not the Muslim immigrants. Much encouraged by this policy, some of the newcomers kill their new neighbors in acts of terrorism, intending to instill greart fear of Islam But if any of the native people consequently express fear and dislike of Islam, the Muslims cry that they are being subjected to irrational “Islamophobia”. Which is to say, they draw on Western compassion!Aprime example of this is what has happened in America since the destruction on September 9, 2001, in a profoundly religious act of hatred, of the World Trade Center in New York, when Muslims flew two airplanes into the Twin Towers and killed over 3000 people. Time passes and the scar remains on the face of the city. For most Americans it is a place of tragedy. But for Muslims it is a place of Victory. And certain Muslims proposed to build a mosque as close to it as they can. While many on the political Left are in favor of the project – citing freedom and tolerance to support their view – there was an outcry of passionate opposition from many more. This arrogance coming so naturally from the muslims is taught in their religion, not a spirited courageous act of tolerance! History has many famous examples in which they to celebrate a great victory utterly destroyed an enemy church in order to build a Victory mosque to Stand for the World to marvel at! Intolerance is their way, death is their Sword and destruction leading to subjugation is their master plan!-Tyr . -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 387] Author : Drummond Date : 10-09-2012 07:19 PM Well Jesus Christ---are you Limeys just totally impotent now or what ? Tut tut. Did I strike a nerve ? Dilloduck, when a debating opponent stoops to something like this, what it tells me, is .. apart from something highly uncomplimentary about the poster .. that my opponent has run out of (or is about to run out of ..) any arguments offering substance. How sad for you. :lol: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 388] Author : Drummond Date : 10-09-2012 07:31 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My friend they reject the truth by issuing their hatred for me. I only deliver a portion of it and thats enough to bring out seething hatred complete with lying attacks made about me personally while they ignore the truth posted. Its diversion and a wicked joy mixed for them. I’ve said that Islam does not preach compassion, but Islam is intent on conquering the West, and to do so it is using all the opportunities that the West affords it. The very values, freedom and tolerance, that the West most esteems and embodies in its law, and that Islam would destroy, provide Islam with the means to destroy them. Muslims move into European countries and live freely. (Freely in more ways than one, as disproportionately large numbers of Muslim immigrants live on welfare handouts that the native population pay for with their taxes.) They set up their mosques to preach, and their madrassas to teach their children, to hate the values of their host countries, and to love submission and intolerance. They can do so because the host countries are Tolerant. If any of the native people protest that Islam is manifestly incompatible with their values, their own law/courts in the name of Tolerance punish them and not the Muslim immigrants. Much encouraged by this policy, some of the newcomers kill their new neighbors in acts of terrorism, intending to instill greart fear of Islam But if any of the native people consequently express fear and dislike of Islam, the Muslims cry that they are being subjected to irrational “Islamophobia”. Which is to say, they draw on Western compassion!Aprime example of this is what has happened in America since the destruction on September 9, 2001, in a profoundly religious act of hatred, of the World Trade Center in New York, when Muslims flew two airplanes into the Twin Towers and killed over 3000 people. Time passes and the scar remains on the face of the city. For most Americans it is a place of tragedy. But for Muslims it is a place of Victory. And certain Muslims proposed to build a mosque as close to it as they can. While many on the political Left are in favor of the project – citing freedom and tolerance to support their view – there was an outcry of passionate opposition from many more. This arrogance coming so naturally from the muslims is taught in their religion, not a spirited courageous act of tolerance! History has many famous examples in which they to celebrate a great victory utterly destroyed an enemy church in order to build a Victory mosque to Stand for the World to marvel at! Intolerance is their way, death is their Sword and destruction leading to subjugation is their master plan!-Tyr . Exactly so, Tyr. The Ground Zero Mosque was, undoubtedly, a Muslim equivalent of a conquering power going to a foreign land and planting their flag on it. A victory gesture, and one carefully crafted to be as insulting and derisory as possible. Ah, but .. you'll have your 'trendy Lefties' telling you how 'enlightened' it is to tolerate its presence ... and anything else Muslims want, besides. No fawning deference, no matter how abusive, is too great for them to support and to preach. I understand that the Muslim chiefly responsible for insisting that the Mosque be constructed where he intended, actually argued that he wasn't free to try and site it anywhere else ... he was following what he considered to be an imperative to proceed as planned. This can ONLY be because the need to foist a 'conqueror's insult' was the paramount motivation. But the Left want to be blind to this, and insist that everyone else joins them in that selective blindness. In essence ... this is treasonous in nature, surely, on a number of levels ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 389] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-09-2012 07:39 PM No one wants to defer to them, drumass. The idea is that you jsut can't kill em all and solve the problem. Besides being illegal and all that rit rot, it's impossible. First major sign that you have lost is attempting to score by corrupting the name of your opponent. A bit childish too.-:laugh: bad, bad boy ,dillo.. How about we just kill the ones that are the problem? Or do you maintain that its all of them??--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 390] Author : logroller Date : 10-09-2012 07:41 PM Logroller, how would YOU end the scourge of Muslim terrorism ? Do you have any answers, or do you only have criticisms and self-defeating blame tactics to offer ? I don't believe terrorism to be a scourge; its hate that's that scourge, and there's only one remedy- love. So let me ask you: how do you foster love? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 391] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-09-2012 07:41 PM First major sign that you have lost is attempting to score by corrupting the name of your opponent. A bit childish too.-:laugh: bad, bad boy ,dillo.. How about we just kill the ones that are the problem? Or do you maintain that its all of them??--Tyr Oh Jesus----Mr. Ad homonim is going to lecture me. :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 392] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-09-2012 08:05 PM Oh Jesus----Mr. Ad homonim is going to lecture me. :laugh: Damn dude , you act like I am not supposed to return fire when it has been lobbed at me so often.. However Drummonds did not corrupt your name . For instance, I' ve never seen him refer to you as dildo!! --:laugh:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 393] Author : Drummond Date : 10-09-2012 08:08 PM I don't believe terrorism to be a scourge; its hate that's that scourge, and there's only one remedy- love. So let me ask you: how do you foster love? ?????????????? You don't believe terrorism to be a scourge ? What is it then, just committed by a bunch of people with anger management difficulties ?!? I invite you to check out footage of the Twin Towers being attacked, and what that led to, and tell me it was all something tolerable !! Tell you what. Why not get your Government to broadcast a message of 'love' to Al Qaeda. See for yourself what the reaction would be .. not to mention the reaction from most (?? not ALL ??) Americans when learning what was being done in their name ... Logroller, you tackle terrorism by DEFEATING it. Terrorism, by its very nature, isn't indulged in by those predisposed to any thought of compromise !! Terrorists terrorise to maim and kill, and to win through those savageries. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 394] Author : Drummond Date : 10-09-2012 08:09 PM Damn dude , you act like I am not supposed to return fire when it has been lobbed at me so often.. However Drummonds did not corrupt your name . For instance, I' ve never seen him refer to you as dildo!! --:laugh:-Tyr :clap::clap::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 395] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-09-2012 08:22 PM ?????????????? You don't believe terrorism to be a scourge ? What is it then, just committed by a bunch of people with anger management difficulties ?!? I invite you to check out footage of the Twin Towers being attacked, and what that led to, and tell me it was all something tolerable !! Tell you what. Why not get your Government to broadcast a message of 'love' to Al Qaeda. See for yourself what the reaction would be .. not to mention the reaction from most (?? not ALL ??) Americans when learning what was being done in their name ... Logroller, you tackle terrorism by DEFEATING it. Terrorism, by its very nature, isn't indulged in by those predisposed to any thought of compromise !! Terrorists terrorise to maim and kill, and to win through those savageries. Log, fails to realise that to them compromise is like putting gasoline on a fire! It encourages them to increase what they are doing . It validates to them that they are on a winning path. ALL appeasement to them does is encourage more of the same that brought it on! I truly amazed at how gullible some people are. And how often those people demand that others go along with their abject ignorance.. Their decades of propaganda has worked wonders on those with lesser minds in our country..- DEFEAT is the only thing they respect!!!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 396] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-09-2012 08:45 PM What's your solution? Bitchin and moaning solves nothing. I've heard complaints about TSA and muslims for years now. NOTHING IS CHANGED. Bitching and moaning are requisite first steps to change. See: America, circa 1765. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 397] Author : logroller Date : 10-09-2012 09:21 PM ?????????????? You don't believe terrorism to be a scourge ? What is it then, just committed by a bunch of people with anger management difficulties ?!? I invite you to check out footage of the Twin Towers being attacked, and what that led to, and tell me it was all something tolerable !! Tell you what. Why not get your Government to broadcast a message of 'love' to Al Qaeda. See for yourself what the reaction would be .. not to mention the reaction from most (?? not ALL ??) Americans when learning what was being done in their name ... Logroller, you tackle terrorism by DEFEATING it. Terrorism, by its very nature, isn't indulged in by those predisposed to any thought of compromise !! Terrorists terrorise to maim and kill, and to win through those savageries. You can't love or dont know how...now that, I find terrifying. I wasn't terrified by the WTC attacks. My emotions are mine to control. Did I find it a snseless act of destruction, of course. But that doesn't make me want to hate or destroy some more. If you're right, that love is an unworthy cause, than what is worthy? What good is there to living absent love? It's the most powerful thing known to man, and many brave lovers of man perished at the hands of those who's agendas were undermined by the promotion of that revelationary principle. You too are threaten by it. So is al Qaida. But you've nothing to fear but fear itself. What I realize is that you're merely a puppet for the power players who manipulate resource and capital markets. Which is fine, some people like puppet shows... Just not me. I'm a behind the scenes kinda guy. That's why i have a problem with crap laws like the patriot act-- which are tools of a totalitarian state put in place to combat the latest manufactured enemy of the state: terrorism. Which serves merely to inspire fear and hate to advance greed-- this ones ingenious too, because there's really no foreseeable end to it. You want to focus your attention on a symptom rather than the cause, be my guest, but I choose to pay attention to man behind behind the curtain. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 398] Author : Missileman Date : 10-09-2012 11:03 PM You are the imbecile not me. You try to justify the evil murdering that they do by the amount of faith they put in it being right thing to do because their God says so. You are just as ffed up as they are with that lameass reasoning! They --believe-- so by your idiotcy Im wrong for pointing out how wrong they are, when they murder for Allah. You are without a doubt about as smart as a box of rocks with that line of bullshat..-Tyr I'm not justifying anything you moron. You keep blathering on and on and on and on some more that you are this great champion of the truth. I've tried, unsuccessfully thus far, to make you realize that YOU aren't necessarily working from a position of truth. Unless you can PROVE otherwise, their claim of divine inspriration and guidance is just as valid as your's or anyone else's. What you believe has no bearing on the truth. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 399] Author : Missileman Date : 10-09-2012 11:12 PM timothy mcveigh was Muslim? Don let facts get in the way of gross generalizations and prejudice. You didn't know his A-rab name was Osama Al Bino? :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 400] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 03:19 AM :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: Perfectly put ! 9/11 was the day war was declared. The enemy hasn't laid down its arms, hasn't surrendered, hasn't shown any sign of showing us that it's given up BEING an enemy. Since when does one regard an enemy as a friend .. just because some fashion, or chosen convenience, makes it seem - perversely - 'OK' ?? In Dillo's world the following should be treated as a crime and fought with Judges, law books, and lawyers. Meanwhile the terrorusts continue to slaughter people as Dillo screams how we need to restrain ourselfs http://aurblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/9-11_before_collapse.jpg http://www.crystalinks.com/911fallingman.jpg http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/wtc-firetruck.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 401] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 03:25 AM timothy mcveigh was Muslim? Don let facts get in the way of gross generalizations and prejudice. LR I am disappointed you have pulled out such an old and wornout liberal talking point McVeigh was a lone idiot who hated the government The Muslim terrorists are killing people in the name of Allah and as the Koran tells them to do It is sad to see wimpy ass libs call the Ft Hood massacre "workplace violence" dispite the fat the Muslim pig was killing people as he shouted the name of Allah. Also for the sake of political correctness the libs in charge ignored all the signs of his links to terrorists I do not know what it will take for you libs to understand you cannot fight terrorists with kind words, hugs, and bribes of cash to be our friends -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 402] Author : Drummond Date : 10-10-2012 04:31 AM You can't love or dont know how...now that, I find terrifying. I wasn't terrified by the WTC attacks. My emotions are mine to control. Did I find it a snseless act of destruction, of course. But that doesn't make me want to hate or destroy some more. If you're right, that love is an unworthy cause, than what is worthy? What good is there to living absent love? It's the most powerful thing known to man, and many brave lovers of man perished at the hands of those who's agendas were undermined by the promotion of that revelationary principle. You too are threaten by it. So is al Qaida. But you've nothing to fear but fear itself. What I realize is that you're merely a puppet for the power players who manipulate resource and capital markets. Which is fine, some people like puppet shows... Just not me. I'm a behind the scenes kinda guy. That's why i have a problem with crap laws like the patriot act-- which are tools of a totalitarian state put in place to combat the latest manufactured enemy of the state: terrorism. Which serves merely to inspire fear and hate to advance greed-- this ones ingenious too, because there's really no foreseeable end to it. You want to focus your attention on a symptom rather than the cause, be my guest, but I choose to pay attention to man behind behind the curtain. Logroller, I'm nobody's puppet ... please, don't be tiresome with ridiculous jibes such as this. If I were a puppet, or ever inclined to be, then I'd be far more 'PC' orientated, deciding instead to march in lockstep with the authorities in my country who insist that 'Islam is a religion of peace', and that unending deference is necessary in order to prove I'm no racist !! I didn't say that love was 'an unworthy cause' .. if you believe I did, show me where I said this !! No ... the point - surely an obvious one ?? - is that you apply the solution to a problem which best remedies it. And, Logroller, I'm sorry, but if you think declarations of 'love' aimed at the likes of Al Qaeda are going to make even the slightest headway with them, you're just not facing reality .. not even slightly !! You may feel some burning need to turn the other cheek when scum are busily blowing people to smithereens, or otherwise arrogantly encroaching on your society, purely to serve their own interests, and wholly against your own. But don't make the mistake in thinking that we're all so eager to surrender to aggressors ! Given that Al Qaeda would laugh at approaches of 'love' aimed their way .. and really, Logroller, who seriously doubts they would ?!? .. I ask you AGAIN. What is your solution to combat, and negate, terrorism ? Do you have one to offer ? If not .. why not just admit it ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 403] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 04:37 AM http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ymGzL3U3nC4/TuHZYSK3t5I/AAAAAAAAEOw/-ed77pknKOE/s320/hamas-terrorists-israel-hamas-palastine-ass-funny-military+1.JPG -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 404] Author : Drummond Date : 10-10-2012 04:43 AM In Dillo's world the following should be treated as a crime and fought with Judges, law books, and lawyers. Meanwhile the terrorusts continue to slaughter people as Dillo screams how we need to restrain ourselfs http://aurblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/9-11_before_collapse.jpg http://www.crystalinks.com/911fallingman.jpg http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/wtc-firetruck.jpg Yes. Exactly. To Logroller: LOOK AT THESE PICTURES. I have a question for you. Imagine that you were a passenger on one of those jets flown into either one of the Twin Towers, on that fateful day. There you are ... with your beliefs (.. as you've described them to be ..) intact, and you wish to be true to them in the position you find yourself in .. on a hijacked plane, terrorists bent upon mass murder and destruction, dedicated to their barbarous mission. You may do it alone, or, you may persuade others to join you in the effort. But, in this scenario, you decide that these hijacking murderers-to-be can be approached with expressions of 'love', and so be persuaded to give up on their terrorist goal. Now, I'm asking this .. do you SERIOUSLY think you'd have had the SMALLEST chance of stopping their terrorism by doing any of that ??? If the answer is 'no' .. then please don't waste our times persisting with your argument any further. But if your answer is 'yes' ... then, persuade me that this could ever have happened. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 405] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 04:49 AM Yes. Exactly. To Logroller: LOOK AT THESE PICTURES. I have a question for you. Imagine that you were a passenger on one of those jets flown into either one of the Twin Towers, on that fateful day. There you are ... with your beliefs (.. as you've described them to be ..) intact, and you wish to be true to them in the position you find yourself in .. on a hijacked plane, terrorists bent upon mass murder and destruction, dedicated to their barbarous mission. You may do it alone, or, you may persuade others to join you in the effort. But, in this scenario, you decide that these hijacking murderers-to-be can be approached with expressions of 'love', and so be persuaded to give up on their terrorist goal. Now, I'm asking this .. do you SERIOUSLY think you'd have had the SMALLEST chance of stopping their terrorism by doing any of that ??? If the answer is 'no' .. then please don't waste our times persisting with your argument any further. But if your answer is 'yes' ... then, persuade me that this could ever have happened. I also want to hear from LR and why he tried to compare Tim McLame to the Allah loving terrorists -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 406] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 04:51 AM http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_akLHpeO7qyA/TCS0aUBoLBI/AAAAAAAABdY/vSAIdSifLZ0/s1600/97410_potential2_123_155lo.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 407] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 05:07 AM Bitching and moaning are requisite first steps to change. See: America, circa 1765. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_akLHpeO7qyA/TDtcUdxh2sI/AAAAAAAABgI/BNbv5vCRST0/s1600/08-Patriotism.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 408] Author : logroller Date : 10-10-2012 06:43 AM Logroller, I'm nobody's puppet ... please, don't be tiresome with ridiculous jibes such as this. If I were a puppet, or ever inclined to be, then I'd be far more 'PC' orientated, deciding instead to march in lockstep with the authorities in my country who insist that 'Islam is a religion of peace', and that unending deference is necessary in order to prove I'm no racist !! I didn't say that love was 'an unworthy cause' .. if you believe I did, show me where I said this !! No ... the point - surely an obvious one ?? - is that you apply the solution to a problem which best remedies it. And, Logroller, I'm sorry, but if you think declarations of 'love' aimed at the likes of Al Qaeda are going to make even the slightest headway with them, you're just not facing reality .. not even slightly !! You may feel some burning need to turn the other cheek when scum are busily blowing people to smithereens, or otherwise arrogantly encroaching on your society, purely to serve their own interests, and wholly against your own. But don't make the mistake in thinking that we're all so eager to surrender to aggressors ! Given that Al Qaeda would laugh at approaches of 'love' aimed their way .. and really, Logroller, who seriously doubts they would ?!? .. I ask you AGAIN. What is your solution to combat, and negate, terrorism ? Do you have one to offer ? If not .. why not just admit it ? That others think love is laughable; something to dismissed or mocked speaks to me of someone who desperately needs love in their life. That's why I offer love; you just fail to see it because you're stuck in the short-sighted paradigm that terrorism just sprung up because of islamic teachings. Terror is nothing new. It has been used as tool of negotiating power for eons. Everybody uses terror Drummond. Fear is powerful motivator. That's what you're trying to do, prey on my fear of this ubiquitous evil. Don't expect your fear to infect me any time soon. I'm not scared of Islam. You know what scares me the most about 9/11-- that our defense agency had rehearsed the scenario and failed to intercept it. That's more terrifying than the fact people hate America enough to try. That we had identified a possible attack, rehearsed it and still failed to respond-- That's a problem that begs attention. Identify enemy and destroy-- that's your solution. What you have is a solution looking for problem. I don't believe terrorism is the problem. Not the root problem anyhow. It's the military- industrial complex. War is insanely profitable. So when money is to be made, one needs generate an opportunity. The war on terror is this opportunity. Love it or hate it, that's the cold hard truth that all wars share. I've told you my solution, you dismissed it as unreasonable. Have you ever personally shown a Muslim love, compassion, understanding? Just who are you to say what another will do? Why don't you just admit that any solution I offer that doesn't fit your doctrine, doesn't count? I focus not on what I need to be do to combat, negate, or any other word you wish substitute for destroy. There's enough destruction already; I choose to build. I try to do that everyday through love and understanding. Greed is the problem, hate is the mechanism, and terror is the manifestation. I don't believe we'll ever eliminate all the hate in the world. Do you? Of course you don't, that's why you've chosen to pick an easier fight, because you see nothing less than subjugation of the enemy as evidence of success. I see success in love. When faced with love or hate, I take my stand and its love. I don't need to convince anybody to love, but I believe I will, and my love will exist in perpetuity. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 409] Author : tailfins Date : 10-10-2012 07:28 AM That others think love is laughable; something to dismissed or mocked speaks to me of someone who desperately needs love in their life. That's why I offer love; you just fail to see it because you're stuck in the short-sighted paradigm that terrorism just sprung up because of islamic teachings. Terror is nothing new. It has been used as tool of negotiating power for eons. Everybody uses terror Drummond. Fear is powerful motivator. That's what you're trying to do, prey on my fear of this ubiquitous evil. Don't expect your fear to infect me any time soon. I'm not scared of Islam. You know what scares me the most about 9/11-- that our defense agency had rehearsed the scenario and failed to intercept it. That's more terrifying than the fact people hate America enough to try. That we had identified a possible attack, rehearsed it and still failed to respond-- That's a problem that begs attention. Identify enemy and destroy-- that's your solution. What you have is a solution looking for problem. I don't believe terrorism is the problem. Not the root problem anyhow. It's the military- industrial complex. War is insanely profitable. So when money is to be made, one needs generate an opportunity. The war on terror is this opportunity. Love it or hate it, that's the cold hard truth that all wars share. I've told you my solution, you dismissed it as unreasonable. Have you ever personally shown a Muslim love, compassion, understanding? Just who are you to say what another will do? Why don't you just admit that any solution I offer that doesn't fit your doctrine, doesn't count? I focus not on what I need to be do to combat, negate, or any other word you wish substitute for destroy. There's enough destruction already; I choose to build. I try to do that everyday through love and understanding. Greed is the problem, hate is the mechanism, and terror is the manifestation. I don't believe we'll ever eliminate all the hate in the world. Do you? Of course you don't, that's why you've chosen to pick an easier fight, because you see nothing less than subjugation of the enemy as evidence of success. I see success in love. When faced with love or hate, I take my stand and its love. I don't need to convince anybody to love, but I believe I will, and my love will exist in perpetuity. I will settle for intelligence. Making 1.5 BILLION people into an enemy and fanning wholesale prejudice is stupidity and facile. If you take the worst "one in a million" Muslims, you still have 1500 to paint the picture some posters on here want to paint. I guess with the chest thumpers, we don't need military strategists and our whole intelligence infrastructure. I say let the professionals do the work they were trained to do. We are told that we have the greatest military in the world. Isn't the thing to do let them do what they do best. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 410] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-10-2012 08:20 AM First major sign that you have lost is attempting to score by corrupting the name of your opponent. A bit childish too.-:laugh: :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 411] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-10-2012 09:58 AM I'm not justifying anything you moron. You keep blathering on and on and on and on some more that you are this great champion of the truth. I've tried, unsuccessfully thus far, to make you realize that YOU aren't necessarily working from a position of truth. Unless you can PROVE otherwise, their claim of divine inspriration and guidance is just as valid as your's or anyone else's. What you believe has no bearing on the truth. I do not have to prove otherwise to you or to anybody else. That you choose to believe they could be right is daft. SO, THEY COULD BE RIGHT AND GOD WANTS TERROR AND MURDER OF INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN!??? The reality is that they pursue a campaign of murder sanctioned by their Holy book,the fact that you pose the question "what if they are right" is senseless, meaningless and downright goofy! What if they were right, would you say its fine for them to come eliminate your family ? If not, what is your damn point other than your desire to attack me and the truth that I present about them? In my postings about Islam's goal and evil murdering ways I've not used much of the Christian principles as a counter. Instead I've used reality, facts and examples of the murdering of innocent people to highlight what they do. In with that I passionately put forth my opinions about it all. Why you think you have a great point about - "they could be right" - mystifies me. As I do NOT ACCEPT anybody has a right to kill or enslave me and mine. -AND TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THAT -- FVCK THEIR GOD! More importantly is that I see the threat and am prepared to defend me and mine. Who is the moron can easily be seen in regards to this subject.. You seem to believe that your little --"what if" -- query is magnificently important but in reality its just idle musing thought to be brilliance by you.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 412] Author : Drummond Date : 10-10-2012 10:13 AM That others think love is laughable; something to dismissed or mocked speaks to me of someone who desperately needs love in their life. That's why I offer love; you just fail to see it because you're stuck in the short-sighted paradigm that terrorism just sprung up because of islamic teachings. Terror is nothing new. It has been used as tool of negotiating power for eons. Everybody uses terror Drummond. Fear is powerful motivator. That's what you're trying to do, prey on my fear of this ubiquitous evil. Don't expect your fear to infect me any time soon. I'm not scared of Islam. You know what scares me the most about 9/11-- that our defense agency had rehearsed the scenario and failed to intercept it. That's more terrifying than the fact people hate America enough to try. That we had identified a possible attack, rehearsed it and still failed to respond-- That's a problem that begs attention. Identify enemy and destroy-- that's your solution. What you have is a solution looking for problem. I don't believe terrorism is the problem. Not the root problem anyhow. It's the military- industrial complex. War is insanely profitable. So when money is to be made, one needs generate an opportunity. The war on terror is this opportunity. Love it or hate it, that's the cold hard truth that all wars share. I've told you my solution, you dismissed it as unreasonable. Have you ever personally shown a Muslim love, compassion, understanding? Just who are you to say what another will do? Why don't you just admit that any solution I offer that doesn't fit your doctrine, doesn't count? I focus not on what I need to be do to combat, negate, or any other word you wish substitute for destroy. There's enough destruction already; I choose to build. I try to do that everyday through love and understanding. Greed is the problem, hate is the mechanism, and terror is the manifestation. I don't believe we'll ever eliminate all the hate in the world. Do you? Of course you don't, that's why you've chosen to pick an easier fight, because you see nothing less than subjugation of the enemy as evidence of success. I see success in love. When faced with love or hate, I take my stand and its love. I don't need to convince anybody to love, but I believe I will, and my love will exist in perpetuity. Logroller, thanks for the speech. But it really needs to be said, when you really get down to it ... you offer nothing of practical value. Please TRY to understand .... I have painted for you the scenario of how you'd approach terrorists on board one of the planes being aimed at a Twin Tower .. did I not ? I wanted you to imagine being a passenger, during 9/11, facing the ongoing hijacking, and the practicality - or more realistically, the IMpracticality, of approaching a terrorist there 'with love' as your message and your intended expression to said terrorist. Needless to say, you've ducked the specific examination of that scenario. .. and, why ? It's obvious. BECAUSE SUCH AN APPROACH WOULD'VE NEVER WORKED, AND WELL YOU KNOW IT. Do you imagine that other Muslim terrorists are any less committed to their goals, their murderous savageries, than THEY were ? If you do, present your evidence. Show me that the likes of Al Qaeda are naturally LESS murderous than those 9/11 terrorists themselves were. And Logroller, if you can't do it, accept the near-uselessness of your approach. Logroller, there's a real world out there, and its problems just HAVE to be tackled realistically. That you may hope that your approach can work, doesn't say that it WILL. Fact is that there are hate-fuelled Islamists out there who live to destroy. To conquer. To make sure that Islam is the only religion in the world. Theirs is one interminable Jihad against those not like themselves. That Jihad may take more than one form, but its intention is hostile to you, and all you believe in. Tyr understands these realities, and speaks up about them .. honestly, informatively, usefully. You, Logroller, seem so mired in a mindset held to out of personal preference that you cannot see anything beyond that. Well ... beyond that, Logroller, is an entire world that in large measure doesn't share your mindset. That you believe they should is neither here nor there. I say this ... Islam is analogous to a disease. Do doctors treat diseases by 'showing them love' .. or, do they craft treatments intended to DESTROY diseases ? And consider this .. since it may better fit your mindset and your preferred worldview: isn't curing a loved one of a disease, BY DESTROYING IT, perceivable as an 'act of love' ? Now -- apply that to the world. Would you profess to love the world ? If 'yes' ... don't you want to see it cured of its ills ? Now ... take the lesson, the analogy, I've suggested above .. and, now, finally, tell me how this may REALISTICALLY be done !! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 413] Author : Drummond Date : 10-10-2012 10:16 AM http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_akLHpeO7qyA/TDtcUdxh2sI/AAAAAAAABgI/BNbv5vCRST0/s1600/08-Patriotism.jpg :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: Absolutely !! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 414] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-10-2012 10:18 AM In Dillo's world the following should be treated as a crime and fought with Judges, law books, and lawyers. Meanwhile the terrorusts continue to slaughter people as Dillo screams how we need to restrain ourselfs http://aurblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/9-11_before_collapse.jpg http://www.crystalinks.com/911fallingman.jpg http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/wtc-firetruck.jpg Not really---I was on the side of invading Afghanistan all the way. Nice try tho -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 415] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-10-2012 10:21 AM ?????????????? You don't believe terrorism to be a scourge ? What is it then, just committed by a bunch of people with anger management difficulties ?!? I invite you to check out footage of the Twin Towers being attacked, and what that led to, and tell me it was all something tolerable !! Tell you what. Why not get your Government to broadcast a message of 'love' to Al Qaeda. See for yourself what the reaction would be .. not to mention the reaction from most (?? not ALL ??) Americans when learning what was being done in their name ... Logroller, you tackle terrorism by DEFEATING it. Terrorism, by its very nature, isn't indulged in by those predisposed to any thought of compromise !! Terrorists terrorise to maim and kill, and to win through those savageries. You tackle terrorism by defeating it ? :laugh2: This is a prime example of meaningless rhetoric. Obama would say stuff like this. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 416] Author : logroller Date : 10-10-2012 11:58 AM Logroller, thanks for the speech. But it really needs to be said, when you really get down to it ... you offer nothing of practical value. Please TRY to understand .... I have painted for you the scenario of how you'd approach terrorists on board one of the planes being aimed at a Twin Tower .. did I not ? I wanted you to imagine being a passenger, during 9/11, facing the ongoing hijacking, and the practicality - or more realistically, the IMpracticality, of approaching a terrorist there 'with love' as your message and your intended expression to said terrorist. Needless to say, you've ducked the specific examination of that scenario. .. and, why ? It's obvious. BECAUSE SUCH AN APPROACH WOULD'VE NEVER WORKED, AND WELL YOU KNOW IT. Do you imagine that other Muslim terrorists are any less committed to their goals, their murderous savageries, than THEY were ? If you do, present your evidence. Show me that the likes of Al Qaeda are naturally LESS murderous than those 9/11 terrorists themselves were. And Logroller, if you can't do it, accept the near-uselessness of your approach. Logroller, there's a real world out there, and its problems just HAVE to be tackled realistically. That you may hope that your approach can work, doesn't say that it WILL. Fact is that there are hate-fuelled Islamists out there who live to destroy. To conquer. To make sure that Islam is the only religion in the world. Theirs is one interminable Jihad against those not like themselves. That Jihad may take more than one form, but its intention is hostile to you, and all you believe in. Tyr understands these realities, and speaks up about them .. honestly, informatively, usefully. You, Logroller, seem so mired in a mindset held to out of personal preference that you cannot see anything beyond that. Well ... beyond that, Logroller, is an entire world that in large measure doesn't share your mindset. That you believe they should is neither here nor there. I say this ... Islam is analogous to a disease. Do doctors treat diseases by 'showing them love' .. or, do they craft treatments intended to DESTROY diseases ? And consider this .. since it may better fit your mindset and your preferred worldview: isn't curing a loved one of a disease, BY DESTROYING IT, perceivable as an 'act of love' ? Now -- apply that to the world. Would you profess to love the world ? If 'yes' ... don't you want to see it cured of its ills ? Now ... take the lesson, the analogy, I've suggested above .. and, now, finally, tell me how this may REALISTICALLY be done !! You ignore the actual cause of terrorism. I know why too, you're too weak to actually change the world; preferring instead to pose some hypothetical about what if i was on the plane. I wasn't, and neither were you. You don't know what you'd do in such a situation until you are actually there. I've trained for hostage situations and the dirt thing is remain calm and situationally aware. On that September day in 2001, most weren't aware of the situation. And those who were failed to respond. You know who spends a lot of time rehearsing what would be done in such situations; our military. And they fucked up royally. So what in your estimation do you have to offer oh wise one-- maybe offer it to those who actually train for that sort of scenario. Let me know what practical value they think you have to offer. Otherwise, Feel free to ignore me if you think I nothing of practical value. I think ill do the same. I'm sick and tired if your constant condescension. Peace out. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 417] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-10-2012 01:16 PM You ignore the actual cause of terrorism. I know why too, you're too weak to actually change the world; preferring instead to pose some hypothetical about what if i was on the plane. I wasn't, and neither were you. You don't know what you'd do in such a situation until you are actually there. I've trained for hostage situations and the dirt thing is remain calm and situationally aware. On that September day in 2001, most weren't aware of the situation. And those who were failed to respond. You know who spends a lot of time rehearsing what would be done in such situations; our military. And they fucked up royally. So what in your estimation do you have to offer oh wise one-- maybe offer it to those who actually train for that sort of scenario. Let me know what practical value they think you have to offer. Otherwise, Feel free to ignore me if you think I nothing of practical value. I think ill do the same. I'm sick and tired if your constant condescension. Peace out. Why will you not answer his question? Seems to me it is you that is running from an obvious TRUTH.. Please point out the condescension in his posts to you. Ignore him if you cant best him , right????? --:laugh:--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 418] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 01:44 PM LR I am disappointed you have pulled out such an old and wornout liberal talking point McVeigh was a lone idiot who hated the government The Muslim terrorists are killing people in the name of Allah and as the Koran tells them to do It is sad to see wimpy ass libs call the Ft Hood massacre "workplace violence" dispite the fat the Muslim pig was killing people as he shouted the name of Allah. Also for the sake of political correctness the libs in charge ignored all the signs of his links to terrorists I do not know what it will take for you libs to understand you cannot fight terrorists with kind words, hugs, and bribes of cash to be our friends No comment LR? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 419] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 01:46 PM You tackle terrorism by defeating it ? :laugh2: This is a prime example of meaningless rhetoric. Obama would say stuff like this. Yea, lets give peace a chance Dillo http://de-motivational-posters.com/images/let-peace-rain-the-terrorists-have-won-the-coin-toss-and-elected-to-receive.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 420] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 01:47 PM Not really---I was on the side of invading Afghanistan all the way. Nice try tho Yea, invading with lawyers, crime scene tape, law books, and copies of the Mini Miranda for all the troops to read to anyone taken prisoner on the battlefield That is how your kind "fights" this war -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 421] Author : logroller Date : 10-10-2012 01:48 PM Why will you not answer his question? Seems to me it is you that is running from an obvious TRUTH.. Please point out the condescension in his posts to you. Ignore him if you cant best him , right????? --:laugh:--Tyr His hypothetical question was meant to arouse an emotional response, but my emotions are my own. I answered his question based on my own actual experiences, not hypothetical responses to a situation I've not been in. He just doesn't like any answer other than "let's roll", so he dismisses it. Your version of the truth is just that, your's. You and drummond have no authority to speak to what I nor anyone else should do based on your version of the truth. Each person can make their own stand. I've made mine. You don't have to like it; but your not agreeing with it doesn't make your stand better than my own. Here's a question for you Tyr. It is a fact that our military was made situationally aware of the 9/11 hijackings; they had even rehearsed it as demonstrated by the response to a civil air traffic controller's report of the hijackings when NORAD asked "is this for real, or a drill?" --Why didn't our military intercept the airliners? Maybe you should talk to them about making a stand, not I. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 422] Author : Missileman Date : 10-10-2012 01:55 PM SO, THEY COULD BE RIGHT AND GOD WANTS TERROR AND MURDER OF INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN!??? Congratulations...it only took you a few weeks to finally get the point. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 423] Author : logroller Date : 10-10-2012 02:00 PM I also want to hear from LR and why he tried to compare Tim McLame to the Allah loving terrorists They both seek to induce terror to further the ideological construct that the American government is what stands in their way of their pursuits. Someone please show me where terrorism is defined by it's religious ideology. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 424] Author : logroller Date : 10-10-2012 02:07 PM No comment LR? Show me where an act of terrorism is defined as an action taken by a group of idiots? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 425] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 02:07 PM They both seek to induce terror to further the ideological construct that the American government is what stands in their way of their pursuits. Someone please show me where terrorism is defined by it's religious ideology. LR the Muslin terrorists clearly kill people in the name of their God and religion Or are you actually going to deny that fact -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 426] Author : logroller Date : 10-10-2012 02:14 PM LR the Muslin terrorists clearly kill people in the name of their God and religion Or are you actually going to deny that fact Clearly. But all terrorists aren't muslim; nor are all muslims terrorists. Regardless of the justification, terrorists are minority persons who seek to invoke widespread fear through violence upon random persons. Do you deny that? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 427] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 02:19 PM Clearly. But all terrorists aren't muslim; nor are all muslims terrorists. Regardless of the justification, terrorists are minority persons who seek to invoke widespread fear through violence upon random persons. Do you deny that? BAsed on what I have seen - all terrorists have been Muslims LR. Now you can try and classify a lone wolf government hating idiot like Tim Mclame a terrorists - but you are wrong and it is that kind of attotude that allowed Hitler to start WWII; and kill 50 million people; as I pointed out Dillo -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 428] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-10-2012 02:26 PM BAsed on what I have seen - all terrorists have been Muslims LR. Now you can try and classify a lone wolf government hating idiot like Tim Mclame a terrorists - but you are wrong and it is that kind of attotude that allowed Hitler to start WWII; and kill 50 million people; as I pointed out Dillo LOL---McVeigh didn't commit and act of terrorism ? You've really lost your gourd. How about the guy in the movie theater ? If you're going to try to make a point it's really stupid to try to stretch it beyond all reasonable limits. It becomes a joke. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 429] Author : Missileman Date : 10-10-2012 02:26 PM BAsed on what I have seen - all terrorists have been Muslims LR. Now you can try and classify a lone wolf government hating idiot like Tim Mclame a terrorists - but you are wrong and it is that kind of attotude that allowed Hitler to start WWII; and kill 50 million people; as I pointed out Dillo Never heard of the bombers in Northern Ireland? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 430] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-10-2012 02:27 PM Never heard of the bombers in Northern Ireland? When the terrorists are bombing each other ya really gotta start wondering. :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 431] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 02:29 PM LOL---McVeigh didn't commit and act of terrorism ? You've really lost your gourd. How about the guy in the movie theater ? If you're going to try to make a point it's really stupid to try to stretch it beyond all reasonable limits. It becomes a joke. You are indeed a useful idiot for the terrorists and the peace niks. I damn near pity your sorry ass -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 432] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 02:30 PM Never heard of the bombers in Northern Ireland? Please show me where they were killing people in the name of their religion and "god" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 433] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-10-2012 02:32 PM Please show me where they were killing people in the name of their religion and "god" Show me where terrorism requires any theology whatsoever. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 434] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 02:35 PM Show me where terrorism requires any theology whatsoever. Eh, when the Muslim terrorists kill they yell "Allah". The Ft Hood killer and 9/11 hijackers both yelled Allah as they murdered people Are you really determined to ignore so many facts about terrorists? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 435] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-10-2012 02:37 PM Eh, when the Muslim terrorists kill they yell "Allah". The Ft Hood killer and 9/11 hijackers both yelled Allah as they murdered people Are you really determined to ignore so many facts about terrorists? and all bigots have assholes. Sorry but that square peg won't fit in your round hole no matter how many times you try. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 436] Author : Missileman Date : 10-10-2012 02:40 PM Please show me where they were killing people in the name of their religion and "god" ter·ror·ism   /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. 2. the state of fear (http://www.debatepolicy.com/browse/fear) and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization (http://www.debatepolicy.com/browse/terrorize). 3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 437] Author : logroller Date : 10-10-2012 02:40 PM BAsed on what I have seen - all terrorists have been Muslims LR. Now you can try and classify a lone wolf government hating idiot like Tim Mclame a terrorists - but you are wrong and it is that kind of attotude that allowed Hitler to start WWII; and kill 50 million people; as I pointed out Dillo “Terrorist activity” in turn is defined with four elements (italicized here):“premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncom-batant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually in-tended to influence an audience.”22 U.S.C. § 2656f (2007) violence civilian targets subnational or clandestine perpetrator political motivation -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 438] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 02:41 PM and all bigots have assholes. Sorry but that square peg won't fit in your round hole no matter how many times you try. Now that you have gone to personal insults it is clear you are beaten. I do ity you since you have a hard on for terrorists, openly support a rapist and a traitor to the US Meanwhile.................. Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29 2012.10.09 (Tarin Kot, Afghanistan) - A cleric is assassinated by Religion of Peace rivals. 2012.10.09 (Pattani, Thailand) - A father and son are among three Buddhists gunned down by Muslim militants. 2012.10.08 (Pattani, Thailand) - A Buddhist married couple in their sixties are slain in cold blood by Islamic terrorists. 2012.10.06 (Quetta, Pakistan) - Sipah-e-Sahaba terrorists shoot three Shias to death including two teens. 2012.10.06 (Jalingo, Nigeria) - Boko Haram bombers kill a woman and injure her five children. 2012.10.06 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Mujahideen bombers take down four vendors at a vegetable market. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 439] Author : aboutime Date : 10-10-2012 02:42 PM and all bigots have assholes. Sorry but that square peg won't fit in your round hole no matter how many times you try. Dilloduck. So, you are telling us you have a square Smile to resemble that other hole, from which your intelligence resides? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 440] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 02:46 PM ter·ror·ism    /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. 2. the state of fear (http://www.debatepolicy.com/browse/fear) and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization (http://www.debatepolicy.com/browse/terrorize). 3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. You left out the part about killing in the name of religion and their god LR. Please finsh posting all the link. That is IF it has the religion and god part -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 441] Author : logroller Date : 10-10-2012 03:05 PM You left out the part about killing in the name of religion and their god LR. Please finsh posting all the link. That is IF it has the religion and god part So busy repeating your strawman you can't even pay attention to who posted what. Bump. “Terrorist activity” in turn is defined with four elements (italicized here):“premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncom-batant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually in-tended to influence an audience.”22 U.S.C. § 2656f (2007) violence civilian targets subnational or clandestine perpetrator political motivation -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 442] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 03:08 PM So busy repeating your strawman you can't even pay attention to who posted what. Bump. LR if you insist on keeping your head stuck in the sand - go ahead. Libs like you are famous for ignoring the facts on terrorists. Thanks to your attitude we had 4 US citizens murdered on 9/11/12 all because you libs refuse to admit Muslims are the f'n terrorists and want to kill us But thankfully, people like you will not be in charge in the State Dept, and the US military starting January 20, 2013 so we can start fighting a real war and stop with the coddling of terrorists that only allowed the terror cells to grow and spread -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 443] Author : Missileman Date : 10-10-2012 03:10 PM You left out the part about killing in the name of religion and their god LR. Please finsh posting all the link. That is IF it has the religion and god part If you can find it on this page, post it. Otherwise, I think a retraction of your accusation is warranted. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism?s=t -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 444] Author : aboutime Date : 10-10-2012 03:12 PM So busy repeating your strawman you can't even pay attention to who posted what. Bump. logroller. Speaking of strawman as you do. My grown son's had an expression they used, when they were very little, and had just discovered one of them could POOP in the bathtub, and roll the little LOGS around in the water...before Mommy caught them. They called it 'Log rolling'. Which now. More than 35 years later, here on DP....has another FITTING kind of meaning. I can only thank my wife who often reads over my shoulder...who laughed, and reminded me of those days. So long ago. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 445] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 03:12 PM If you can find it on this page, post it. Otherwise, I think a retraction of your accusation is warranted. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism?s=t I am goig by the accounts of what the Ft Hood killer and the 9/11 hijakers were yelling as they kiled our people Something you and LR and Dillo want to ignore So go ahead and joing your friends MM http://www.ericgarland.co/wp-content/uploads/pix/2012/08/Hear-No-Evil-See-No-Evil-Speak-No-Evil.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 446] Author : aboutime Date : 10-10-2012 03:15 PM I am goig by the accounts of what the Ft Hood killer and the 9/11 hijakers were yelling as they kiled our people Something you and LR and Dillo want to ignore So go ahead and joing your friends MM http://www.ericgarland.co/wp-content/uploads/pix/2012/08/Hear-No-Evil-See-No-Evil-Speak-No-Evil.jpg Those 3 remind me of the FORMER, daily press briefings when Obama and Biden took time to Join CARNEY. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 447] Author : Missileman Date : 10-10-2012 03:16 PM I am goig by the accounts of what the Ft Hood killer and the 9/11 hijakers were yelling as they kiled our people Something you and LR and Dillo want to ignore So go ahead and joing your friends MM http://www.ericgarland.co/wp-content/uploads/pix/2012/08/Hear-No-Evil-See-No-Evil-Speak-No-Evil.jpg What did the bombers of Northern Ireland yell? What did the bombers of abortion clinics or the shooters of abortion doctors yell? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 448] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 03:16 PM Those 3 remind me of the FORMER, daily press briefings when Obama and Biden took time to Join CARNEY. If MM, LR, or Dillo are black I will be called a racist in their next post :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 449] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 03:17 PM What did the bombers of Northern Ireland yell? What did the bombers of abortion clinics or the shooters of abortion doctors yell? Again, please show me where they did it for their god or in the name of their religion Your Muslim terorists do everytime they kill people -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 450] Author : Missileman Date : 10-10-2012 03:18 PM logroller. Speaking of strawman as you do. My grown son's had an expression they used, when they were very little, and had just discovered one of them could POOP in the bathtub, and roll the little LOGS around in the water...before Mommy caught them. They called it 'Log rolling'. Which now. More than 35 years later, here on DP....has another FITTING kind of meaning. I can only thank my wife who often reads over my shoulder...who laughed, and reminded me of those days. So long ago. I imagine playing with one's shit is hereditary and possibly a sign of in-breeding. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 451] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 03:19 PM http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Bnzv-HG6m9s/TbJt6DfJZlI/AAAAAAAAFPg/qWWB9G-iOMA/s1600/Muslim_Hate%252C_political_cartoon.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 452] Author : Missileman Date : 10-10-2012 03:20 PM Again, please show me where they did it for their god or in the name of their religion Your Muslim terorists do everytime they kill people We're still waiting for you to post a link that defines terrorism in such a way that it always invloves religion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 453] Author : red states rule Date : 10-10-2012 03:25 PM We're still waiting for you to post a link that defines terrorism in such a way that it always invloves religion. I have posted it several times. Seems you, LR, and Dilo are form the Michael moore School of Current Events http://embeddedliberalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/michael-moore-liberalism.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 454] Author : Missileman Date : 10-10-2012 04:37 PM I have posted it several times. Seems you, LR, and Dilo are form the Michael moore School of Current Events You're full of shit! You've posted nothing of the sort. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 455] Author : Drummond Date : 10-10-2012 04:39 PM Never heard of the bombers in Northern Ireland? I for one heard of 'the bombers' in Northern Ireland. The IRA (.. or whatever splinter group that came from them) did quite a bit of it .. and not only in Northern Ireland, but in England, too. I should know .. I lived and worked in London, one of their targets. But, have you noticed something ? Whatever relatively few (.. in the scheme of things ..) such attacks are committed for political goals, terrorists only have such goals to work towards for a relatively short time. The IRA's 'cause' hadn't existed for anything like as long as Islam's has, and the IRA as such has been finished for a number of years. Fact is that, taking the whole picture, the dominant cause to spur on terrorism is religion, and specifically, Islam. The IRA 'just' wanted a United Ireland (even if most other people didn't). They, in global terrorism terms, can be seen as an aberration. Look to global terrorism, and the 'crown' for the longest, most durable motivation for it, comes directly from Islam. Why, THOSE jokers want nothing less than global domination, and they'll kill anyone who tries to put a significant dent in that ambition. But there are people who'll just refuse to face up to the harsh realities of it. Doing this only empowers the trash ! Weakness of opposition is eminently exploitable. George W Bush, in 9/11's aftermath, wanted the civilised world to pull together, standing with America in its newly-launched War on Terror, obviously in the hope that world conditions would become so toxic that terrorist cells couldn't hope to thrive. I regard Bush's stand on that as perhaps his Presidency's finest moment. And now, what do we have ?? The likelihood of terrorist resurgence once troops in Afghanistan are completely pulled out, in large part because Obama just couldn't wait to tell them when the troop withdrawal would be completed !!! And on top of this, 'peaceniks' ... who've not only forgotten 9/11's stark lesson, but are determined to remain deaf and blind to it, wanting to express 'love' to the aggressors !!!!:hug99: Folks ... really. You couldn't make this stuff up !! :confused::bang3::shitfan: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 456] Author : Robert A Whit Date : 10-10-2012 04:52 PM “Terrorist activity” in turn is defined with four elements (italicized here):“premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncom-batant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually in-tended to influence an audience.”22 U.S.C. § 2656f (2007) violence civilian targets subnational or clandestine perpetrator political motivation That does not describe Tim McVey. Tim was angry at the Feds for things they did do. In his case, he was not representing some group. Not as the definition means this. At least this is my opinion. I look at Tim McVey as one would look at some body that shot up a school campus. Common criminal. Tim did not do it to get anybody out of the USA. The Muslim terrorists send messages with their killings. What message would you claim McVey sent? I never read any of his messages to claim he did it and wanted X or Y to happen. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 457] Author : Drummond Date : 10-10-2012 04:54 PM You tackle terrorism by defeating it ? :laugh2: This is a prime example of meaningless rhetoric. Obama would say stuff like this. Defeating an enemy is 'meaningless' ? Would surrendering to them have more meaning for you, then ?? The carpet-bombing of Afghanistan decimated Al Qaeda. To so much as survive, they had to radically change their organisational tactics. OK, they may not have been totally defeated. Even so ... such an action must've been crippling to them. I've no doubt that thousands of innocent would-be victims are alive today who would've been slaughtered had the terrorists not been taught a much-needed lesson. Was the enemy's intended range and scope of terrorism defeated ? I believe it was. And, Dilloduck, even if that doesn't qualify as total victory, to regard that comparative defeat for Al Qaeda as 'meaningless' is outrageous. What's next ? The proposal that leaflets be dropped on to sites of terrorist strongholds declaring 'love' for them ?? Oh, I'm sure that THIS would destroy their commitment to maim and kill in the name of Allah !! :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 458] Author : Kathianne Date : 10-10-2012 05:36 PM I for one heard of 'the bombers' in Northern Ireland. The IRA (.. or whatever splinter group that came from them) did quite a bit of it .. and not only in Northern Ireland, but in England, too. I should know .. I lived and worked in London, one of their targets. But, have you noticed something ? Whatever relatively few (.. in the scheme of things ..) such attacks are committed for political goals, terrorists only have such goals to work towards for a relatively short time. The IRA's 'cause' hadn't existed for anything like as long as Islam's has, and the IRA as such has been finished for a number of years. Fact is that, taking the whole picture, the dominant cause to spur on terrorism is religion, and specifically, Islam. The IRA 'just' wanted a United Ireland (even if most other people didn't). They, in global terrorism terms, can be seen as an aberration. Look to global terrorism, and the 'crown' for the longest, most durable motivation for it, comes directly from Islam. Why, THOSE jokers want nothing less than global domination, and they'll kill anyone who tries to put a significant dent in that ambition. But there are people who'll just refuse to face up to the harsh realities of it. Doing this only empowers the trash ! Weakness of opposition is eminently exploitable. George W Bush, in 9/11's aftermath, wanted the civilised world to pull together, standing with America in its newly-launched War on Terror, obviously in the hope that world conditions would become so toxic that terrorist cells couldn't hope to thrive. I regard Bush's stand on that as perhaps his Presidency's finest moment. And now, what do we have ?? The likelihood of terrorist resurgence once troops in Afghanistan are completely pulled out, in large part because Obama just couldn't wait to tell them when the troop withdrawal would be completed !!! And on top of this, 'peaceniks' ... who've not only forgotten 9/11's stark lesson, but are determined to remain deaf and blind to it, wanting to express 'love' to the aggressors !!!!:hug99: Folks ... really. You couldn't make this stuff up !! :confused::bang3::shitfan: I can view the IRA from an American point-of-view. For years they were able to gather significant amounts of American-Irish $$$, especially from Boston and Chicago, by saying they were trying to unite Ireland and get Britain out of there. When it became evident that the IRA was behind the bombings in England, the assassination of Lord Mountbatten, the $$$ started to dry up, quickly. That brought home the problem. When I start reading polls of Muslims condemning the violence and not 'understanding' it, I'll feel more hopeful. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 459] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-10-2012 05:49 PM I can view the IRA from an American point-of-view. For years they were able to gather significant amounts of American-Irish $$$, especially from Boston and Chicago, by saying they were trying to unite Ireland and get Britain out of there. When it became evident that the IRA was behind the bombings in England, the assassination of Lord Mountbatten, the $$$ started to dry up, quickly. That brought home the problem. When I start reading polls of Muslims condemning the violence and not 'understanding' it, I'll feel more hopeful. I would be a bit hopeful as well if that condemning was a lot more than a few well engineered token articles by muslims. If it was in earnest and widespread here it would be a very good first step indeed. Not trying to rain on anybody's parade but I would not place any bets on that happening as it would go directly against their religion to condemn Jihad..Thats the problem... -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 460] Author : Kathianne Date : 10-10-2012 06:24 PM I would be a bit hopeful as well if that condemning was a lot more than a few well engineered token articles by muslims. If it was in earnest and widespread here it would be a very good first step indeed. Not trying to rain on anybody's parade but I would not place any bets on that happening as it would go directly against their religion to condemn Jihad..Thats the problem... -Tyr I said, 'polls.' Meaning surveys of folks on the ground. I find all to date, disturbing. The vast majority would not condone terrorism, but understand how the 'terrorists' would, regarding jihad and the koran. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 461] Author : aboutime Date : 10-10-2012 06:25 PM I imagine playing with one's shit is hereditary and possibly a sign of in-breeding. Spoken like someone who is expert on such topics, and proud of your hereditary needs to be a small child, to play with your own poop. Thanks for the info. As for the in-breeding. That seems to be a comforting thought for you. Did you call them Floating Missiles instead of Logs??? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 462] Author : Missileman Date : 10-10-2012 06:36 PM Spoken like someone who is expert on such topics, and proud of your hereditary needs to be a small child, to play with your own poop. Thanks for the info. As for the in-breeding. That seems to be a comforting thought for you. Did you call them Floating Missiles instead of Logs??? Are you trying to claim that I'm the father of your children? Or perhaps hereditary is outside your vocabulary range? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 463] Author : aboutime Date : 10-10-2012 07:00 PM Are you trying to claim that I'm the father of your children? Or perhaps hereditary is outside your vocabulary range? Unlike you. I know who the father of my children are. Why do you feel so desperate to constantly lower your self-esteem with liberal thinking? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 464] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-10-2012 07:02 PM I would be a bit hopeful as well if that condemning was a lot more than a few well engineered token articles by muslims. If it was in earnest and widespread here it would be a very good first step indeed. Not trying to rain on anybody's parade but I would not place any bets on that happening as it would go directly against their religion to condemn Jihad..Thats the problem... -Tyr Define Jihad -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 465] Author : Missileman Date : 10-10-2012 07:08 PM Unlike you. I know who the father of my children are. Why do you feel so desperate to constantly lower your self-esteem with liberal thinking? You post that YOUR kids played with their shit. I posted that it's hereditary and then you post it's a trait of mine. What else am I to assume other than you accusing me of being part of your kids genetic makeup? Your post was the antithesis of clever so we can conclude you weren't trying to be...maybe. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 466] Author : Drummond Date : 10-11-2012 03:14 PM I can view the IRA from an American point-of-view. For years they were able to gather significant amounts of American-Irish $$$, especially from Boston and Chicago, by saying they were trying to unite Ireland and get Britain out of there. When it became evident that the IRA was behind the bombings in England, the assassination of Lord Mountbatten, the $$$ started to dry up, quickly. That brought home the problem. When I start reading polls of Muslims condemning the violence and not 'understanding' it, I'll feel more hopeful. Thanks for this, Kathianne. That Americans (even IF of Irish descent) were content to give funds to the IRA was something I never did understand, and for a while made me resentful to the US. You see, to me, and to the vast majority of UK citizens, we were totally certain that the IRA were terrorists, not deserving to be tolerated to even a minutest degree. To see Americans so willing to fund them was - I state this with the greatest diplomacy I can muster - 'unbelievable'. I'm actually surprised that it took the murder of Mountbatten and other outrages in England to help clarify matters. Did you not get news reports which explained the true, inhuman nature of the IRA ? This following link might help to illustrate the sort of thing I mean ... composition dated 2007, but referring to practices from decades earlier ... http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/public-humiliation-that-was-all-too-familiar-during-troubles-13470586.html What happened on a Belfast estate at the weekend harks back to the darkest days of the Troubles. The punishment - which is designed to publically humiliate and degrade the victim - dates back to the Crusades when it was used to enforce informal justice throughout Europe and its colonies. Tarring and feathering became a popular form of punishment in Northern Ireland, carried out by the IRA, in the 1970s. Many of the victims were women accused of conducting sexual relationships with members of the RUC or British soldiers. These terrified women had their heads shaved before being dragged to a lamppost. Once tied up, they had hot tar poured over their heads. This was followed by feathers being dumped over them which would stick to the tar for days, acting as a reminder of their so-called crimes against their community. Many of the victims of tarring and feathering - like the man targeted in Taughmonagh at the weekend - had signs placed around their necks to inform the community of their alleged crimes. It became a popular form of punishment for perceived anti-social behaviour, with the aim of humiliating victims in front of their friends and neighbours. Reminds me of the Taliban ... wouldn't you agree ? Terrorists terrorise, and to try and instill the 'right attitude' in people, the IRA terrorised them, using cruel and inhuman punishment to get what they wanted. And this is over and above all the carnage they inflicted with their bombs and assassinations. Did Americans never learn of accounts of the IRA's tactics ? Was it never reported over there ? Because I can assure you, it was HERE, and that reality helped define for us British what vermin they were. Of course, disgusting carnage such as THIS only further rammed home for us what we were dealing with in them ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/20/newsid_2515000/2515343.stm Eight soldiers on ceremonial duty have been killed in two IRA bomb blasts in central London. The first blast, in Hyde Park, killed two soldiers and injured 23 others and the second explosion, in Regents Park, less than two hours later killed six soldiers instantly and injured a further 24 people. The IRA admitted carrying out the attacks in a statement echoing Margaret Thatcher's declaration of war on Argentina over the disputed Falklands. It repeated her phrase about the right of self-determination and continued: "The Irish people have sovereign and national rights which no task or occupational force can put down." In the first incident a nail bomb in a blue Austin car was detonated as members of the Household Cavalry made their way to the changing of the guard from their barracks in Knightsbridge. Seven horses were killed or so badly maimed they had to be destroyed. Second attack Another device exploded underneath the bandstand in Regents Park as the Royal Green Jackets played music from Oliver to 120 spectators. It was the first of a season of lunchtime concerts for tourists and nearby office workers, four of whom were amongst the injured. Anti-terrorist experts believe the second bomb had been planted some time ago and was triggered by a timer. But they think the first explosion was operated by remote control to cause the maximum devastation. Bystanders and people in neighbouring shops and hotels rushed to help, but the police were keen to clear the area as they searched for further devices. Most of the injured were treated in Westminster Hospital as striking hospital workers called off their action to deal with the casualties. Detectives from the anti-terrorism squad were interviewing survivors and witnesses and security has been stepped up across the British capital. The British and Irish prime ministers have condemned the attacks as "callous and cowardly crimes" and "inhuman acts". Anyway ... happily, the IRA is now no more. May whatever surviving IRA bombers still survive, one day rot in hell. As for your final point on Muslims, well, we DO get accounts in the UK of Muslim groupings being 'anti' terrorists who commit such outrages on behalf of their religion. But, you see, it really doesn't mean much. If you get in the US to the point we have here, where so much deference is shown to Muslims that they get just what they want without needing to blow people up, it won't be 'proof' of the 'peaceful' nature of Islam ... after all, a central demand of theirs is the spread of Sharia Law !! What matters is whether or not Islam triumphs over you, enslaves you to its dictates. If bombs can make the impact Muslims want, then they'll use them. If they can win through more 'sneaky' means, by eroding peoples' willingness to oppose them, then THOSE methods will be employed. Muslims will do what it takes to win over you, Kathianne. The only question is whether you, and/or your compatriots, will one day give them their sought-after victory. I say it's better to stay focussed on Islam's realities, and Tyr is doing a splendid job in alerting people to them. All power to him in his efforts. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 467] Author : red states rule Date : 10-11-2012 03:36 PM You're full of shit! You've posted nothing of the sort. Check out this link www.rif.org (http://www.rif.org) and then go back and read my posts where I pointed out the Muslim terrorists were shouted "allah" as they muredered theri victims -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 468] Author : Missileman Date : 10-11-2012 03:49 PM We're still waiting for you to post a link that defines terrorism in such a way that it always invloves religion. To which you replied you already have. Check out this link www.rif.org (http://www.rif.org) and then go back and read my posts where I pointed out the Muslim terrorists were shouted "allah" as they muredered theri victims I'm not arguing terrorism never involves, but you're arguing that it always involves religion. I asked you to post a link that supports your assertion that terrorism always involves religion. I've already posted a link that doesn't even mention religion at all when defining terrorism. Where's yours? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 469] Author : aboutime Date : 10-11-2012 03:53 PM You post that YOUR kids played with their shit. I posted that it's hereditary and then you post it's a trait of mine. What else am I to assume other than you accusing me of being part of your kids genetic makeup? Your post was the antithesis of clever so we can conclude you weren't trying to be...maybe. My mistake. I actually believed you were actually born. That part about playing with shit. Well. You answered that, all by yourself. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 470] Author : red states rule Date : 10-11-2012 03:55 PM To which you replied you already have. I'm not arguing terrorism never involves, but you're arguing that it always involves religion. I asked you to post a link that supports your assertion that terrorism always involves religion. I've already posted a link that doesn't even mention religion at all when defining terrorism. Where's yours? I never said all terrorism involves religon (the NRA and Tim McLame) - but with Muslim terrorists is does. That is why the Muslims murder people - in the name of their religion -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 471] Author : jafar00 Date : 10-11-2012 04:38 PM I never said all terrorism involves religon (the NRA and Tim McLame) - but with Muslim terrorists is does. That is why the Muslims murder people - in the name of their religion Well, I've seen videos where US troops say "Jesus" as they kill people too. What's the difference? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 472] Author : jimnyc Date : 10-11-2012 04:39 PM Well, I've seen videos where US troops say "Jesus" as they kill people too. What's the difference? Give me 3 examples, please? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 473] Author : Missileman Date : 10-11-2012 04:51 PM BAsed on what I have seen - all terrorists have been Muslims LR. Now you can try and classify a lone wolf government hating idiot like Tim Mclame a terrorists - but you are wrong and it is that kind of attotude that allowed Hitler to start WWII; and kill 50 million people; as I pointed out Dillo Never heard of the bombers in Northern Ireland? Please show me where they were killing people in the name of their religion and "god" Show me where terrorism requires any theology whatsoever. Eh, when the Muslim terrorists kill they yell "Allah". The Ft Hood killer and 9/11 hijackers both yelled Allah as they murdered people Are you really determined to ignore so many facts about terrorists? I never said all terrorism involves religon (the NRA and Tim McLame) - but with Muslim terrorists is does. That is why the Muslims murder people - in the name of their religion Just to refresh your memory. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 474] Author : Missileman Date : 10-11-2012 04:53 PM My mistake. I actually believed you were actually born. That part about playing with shit. Well. You answered that, all by yourself. As I surmised, hereditary is beyond your grasp of English. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 475] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-11-2012 05:32 PM Thanks for this, Kathianne. That Americans (even IF of Irish descent) were content to give funds to the IRA was something I never did understand, and for a while made me resentful to the US. You see, to me, and to the vast majority of UK citizens, we were totally certain that the IRA were terrorists, not deserving to be tolerated to even a minutest degree. To see Americans so willing to fund them was - I state this with the greatest diplomacy I can muster - 'unbelievable'. I'm actually surprised that it took the murder of Mountbatten and other outrages in England to help clarify matters. Did you not get news reports which explained the true, inhuman nature of the IRA ? This following link might help to illustrate the sort of thing I mean ... composition dated 2007, but referring to practices from decades earlier ... http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/public-humiliation-that-was-all-too-familiar-during-troubles-13470586.html Reminds me of the Taliban ... wouldn't you agree ? Terrorists terrorise, and to try and instill the 'right attitude' in people, the IRA terrorised them, using cruel and inhuman punishment to get what they wanted. And this is over and above all the carnage they inflicted with their bombs and assassinations. Did Americans never learn of accounts of the IRA's tactics ? Was it never reported over there ? Because I can assure you, it was HERE, and that reality helped define for us British what vermin they were. Of course, disgusting carnage such as THIS only further rammed home for us what we were dealing with in them ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/20/newsid_2515000/2515343.stm Anyway ... happily, the IRA is now no more. May whatever surviving IRA bombers still survive, one day rot in hell. As for your final point on Muslims, well, we DO get accounts in the UK of Muslim groupings being 'anti' terrorists who commit such outrages on behalf of their religion. But, you see, it really doesn't mean much. If you get in the US to the point we have here, where so much deference is shown to Muslims that they get just what they want without needing to blow people up, it won't be 'proof' of the 'peaceful' nature of Islam ... after all, a central demand of theirs is the spread of Sharia Law !! What matters is whether or not Islam triumphs over you, enslaves you to its dictates. If bombs can make the impact Muslims want, then they'll use them. If they can win through more 'sneaky' means, by eroding peoples' willingness to oppose them, then THOSE methods will be employed. Muslims will do what it takes to win over you, Kathianne. The only question is whether you, and/or your compatriots, will one day give them their sought-after victory. I say it's better to stay focussed on Islam's realities, and Tyr is doing a splendid job in alerting people to them. All power to him in his efforts. Our civilization will do what it has to in an effort to destroy their civilization also. If you don't think there is an effort underway to spread western civilization all over the world you're crazy. Are you afraid they are winning ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 476] Author : Drummond Date : 10-11-2012 07:21 PM Our civilization will do what it has to in an effort to destroy their civilization also. If you don't think there is an effort underway to spread western civilization all over the world you're crazy. Are you afraid they are winning ? Western civilisation is primarily based on Christianity. So, you're talking about a struggle between Christianity and Islam. Dilloduck, Christian evangelism may exist. But it doesn't operate as Islamism does. For one thing, it doesn't embark on an aggressive programme of world conquest, regardless of what you may think. Christians, in a belief that their religion is just and good, naturally want to see people saved. But, since when did Christians kidnap people and behead them ? Or stone people to death for violating some 'equivalent' of Sharia Law (... which doesn't even exist !! ...) ? Or engage in honour killings ? Or fly aeroplanes into skyscrapers ? Since when were Christians Jihadists ? Anyone for a Christian 'Fatwah' ? Maybe Mecca has been flattened, and Christians are busily building a cathedral there ? Is there a penalty involving 'apostacy against Christianity', perhaps ? The ingredients for any form of aggressive conquest, Dilloduck, just AREN'T THERE. However, they exist in abundance in Islam. Oh, and how about this ... Western civilisation is run on democratic lines, but Islamic versions, by and large, are not. In a Western / Christian society, you can vote for the character of Government you want. It can be Christian. It can be broadly secularist. It can even be .. were enough people willing to vote for candidates aligned to it .. Buddhist. Hindu. Even, were they to be stupid enough .. Islamic. So you see, Dilloduck, your charge ultimately doesn't hold water. Islam has the aggression, and the inbuilt tools, to expand and conquer in a way that its polar opposite does NOT. Personally, I think the world would be far better off if all countries were run as Western, Christian democracies. Others may believe that too. But that's not nearly the same thing as saying there's a drive, or plot, to make it happen !! By the way .. consider Iraq. After the 2003 invasion, Western forces, such as your own, could've imposed the brand of Government they chose, one in our own image. Instead, Islamic factions determine what happens there. Is their Government not a majority Shi-ite one ? Another, more recent example .. Libya. Western powers could've done more than just provide air support for anti-Gaddafi rebels .. they could've taken the country over, installed a puppet regime. INSTEAD, Dilloduck, what do we see in Libya today ?? As I say, your charge doesn't hold water, Dilloduck. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 477] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-11-2012 07:24 PM Our civilization will do what it has to in an effort to destroy their civilization also. If you don't think there is an effort underway to spread western civilization all over the world you're crazy. Are you afraid they are winning ? Really!?? Have we went over there to annex their territrory, or to take it outright? Because we could do that but we do not do so, that makes your offering silly. Our civilisation is not out to conquers theirs but theirs is surely out to destroy ours. You have it so very wrong but thats to be expected. Drummonds has the patience of a Saint to keep on instructing you and his generosity to do so free of charge is admirable I will add.-;)--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 478] Author : Drummond Date : 10-11-2012 07:38 PM Really!?? Have we went over there to annex their territrory, or to take it outright? Because we could do that but we do not do so, that makes your offering silly. Our civilisation is not out to conquers theirs but theirs is surely out to destroy ours. You have it so very wrong but thats to be expected. Drummonds has the patience of a Saint to keep on instructing you and his generosity to do so free of charge is admirable I will add.-;)--Tyr :clap::clap: Well, quite (.. on all counts !) ! Thanks, Tyr. And I may indeed start charging fees soon ... :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 479] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-11-2012 08:33 PM :clap::clap: Well, quite (.. on all counts !) ! Thanks, Tyr. And I may indeed start charging fees soon ... :laugh: I doubt that you'll get any pay my friend. Dillo seems highly resistant to your teachings and without a doubt not a big believer in the sanctity of TRUTH. To him its all very, very subjective and the number of nuances are in the hundreds of billions methinks.-;)--Tyr which is to say that there is no real truth in his book..... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 480] Author : red states rule Date : 10-12-2012 09:51 AM Well, I've seen videos where US troops say "Jesus" as they kill people too. What's the difference? Only when they blow half the head off the terrorist :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 481] Author : red states rule Date : 10-12-2012 09:52 AM Just to refresh your memory. If only your ability to grasp the fact Muslims murder in the name of their religion was as good as my memory -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 482] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-12-2012 09:55 AM Western civilisation is primarily based on Christianity. So, you're talking about a struggle between Christianity and Islam. Dilloduck, Christian evangelism may exist. But it doesn't operate as Islamism does. For one thing, it doesn't embark on an aggressive programme of world conquest, regardless of what you may think. Christians, in a belief that their religion is just and good, naturally want to see people saved. But, since when did Christians kidnap people and behead them ? Or stone people to death for violating some 'equivalent' of Sharia Law (... which doesn't even exist !! ...) ? Or engage in honour killings ? Or fly aeroplanes into skyscrapers ? Since when were Christians Jihadists ? Anyone for a Christian 'Fatwah' ? Maybe Mecca has been flattened, and Christians are busily building a cathedral there ? Is there a penalty involving 'apostacy against Christianity', perhaps ? The ingredients for any form of aggressive conquest, Dilloduck, just AREN'T THERE. However, they exist in abundance in Islam. Oh, and how about this ... Western civilisation is run on democratic lines, but Islamic versions, by and large, are not. In a Western / Christian society, you can vote for the character of Government you want. It can be Christian. It can be broadly secularist. It can even be .. were enough people willing to vote for candidates aligned to it .. Buddhist. Hindu. Even, were they to be stupid enough .. Islamic. So you see, Dilloduck, your charge ultimately doesn't hold water. Islam has the aggression, and the inbuilt tools, to expand and conquer in a way that its polar opposite does NOT. Personally, I think the world would be far better off if all countries were run as Western, Christian democracies. Others may believe that too. But that's not nearly the same thing as saying there's a drive, or plot, to make it happen !! By the way .. consider Iraq. After the 2003 invasion, Western forces, such as your own, could've imposed the brand of Government they chose, one in our own image. Instead, Islamic factions determine what happens there. Is their Government not a majority Shi-ite one ? Another, more recent example .. Libya. Western powers could've done more than just provide air support for anti-Gaddafi rebels .. they could've taken the country over, installed a puppet regime. INSTEAD, Dilloduck, what do we see in Libya today ?? As I say, your charge doesn't hold water, Dilloduck. :clap: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 483] Author : Missileman Date : 10-12-2012 10:12 AM If only your ability to grasp the fact Muslims murder in the name of their religion was as good as my memory And if the ability to point to where I ever said otherwise were worth a trillion dollars, you'd still be a poor excuse for a debater. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 484] Author : red states rule Date : 10-12-2012 10:15 AM And if the ability to point to where I ever said otherwise were worth a trillion dollars, you'd still be a poor excuse for a debater. That is the usual response when someone is beaten and cannot deal with the simple turth. Muslims terrorists kill in the name of their religion It can be murdereing their duaghters and wifes in "honor killings"; an Army officer who guns down 14 people at Ft Hood in the name of Allah; and the 9/11 hijakers who believed they would have all those virgins if they slaughterd thousands of people People like you take the PC road and do not want to "offend" the feelings of Muslims so you deny the truth and keep thinking they will eventually like us if we cower to them -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 485] Author : Missileman Date : 10-12-2012 10:52 AM That is the usual response when someone is beaten and cannot deal with the simple turth. Muslims terrorists kill in the name of their religion It can be murdereing their duaghters and wifes in "honor killings"; an Army officer who guns down 14 people at Ft Hood in the name of Allah; and the 9/11 hijakers who believed they would have all those virgins if they slaughterd thousands of people People like you take the PC road and do not want to "offend" the feelings of Muslims so you deny the truth and keep thinking they will eventually like us if we cower to them\ The offer for you to point out where I've said otherwise is still open. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 486] Author : tailfins Date : 10-12-2012 10:56 AM That is the usual response when someone is beaten and cannot deal with the simple turth. Muslims terrorists kill in the name of their religion It can be murdereing their duaghters and wifes in "honor killings"; an Army officer who guns down 14 people at Ft Hood in the name of Allah; and the 9/11 hijakers who believed they would have all those virgins if they slaughterd thousands of people People like you take the PC road and do not want to "offend" the feelings of Muslims so you deny the truth and keep thinking they will eventually like us if we cower to them What we justify as acceptable to do the Muslims just for being Muslim, we will eventually do to others. Muslims -> Illegals -> Immigrants -> Outsiders . No one has said what one should do with this anti-Muslim information. It's like accelerating a vehicle without regard to the steering. You'll eventually have a crash. In WWII prejudice was managed to get people to accept the sacrifice associated with the war. Are you fanning prejudice so people will accept present and future TSA powers? I don't see any disagreement with some of the arson committed against Muslims. What about housing and employment discrimination against Muslims? Is that OK? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 487] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 11:49 AM Western civilisation is primarily based on Christianity. So, you're talking about a struggle between Christianity and Islam. Dilloduck, Christian evangelism may exist. But it doesn't operate as Islamism does. For one thing, it doesn't embark on an aggressive programme of world conquest, regardless of what you may think. Christians, in a belief that their religion is just and good, naturally want to see people saved. But, since when did Christians kidnap people and behead them ? Or stone people to death for violating some 'equivalent' of Sharia Law (... which doesn't even exist !! ...) ? Or engage in honour killings ? Or fly aeroplanes into skyscrapers ? Since when were Christians Jihadists ? Anyone for a Christian 'Fatwah' ? Maybe Mecca has been flattened, and Christians are busily building a cathedral there ? Is there a penalty involving 'apostacy against Christianity', perhaps ? The ingredients for any form of aggressive conquest, Dilloduck, just AREN'T THERE. However, they exist in abundance in Islam. Oh, and how about this ... Western civilisation is run on democratic lines, but Islamic versions, by and large, are not. In a Western / Christian society, you can vote for the character of Government you want. It can be Christian. It can be broadly secularist. It can even be .. were enough people willing to vote for candidates aligned to it .. Buddhist. Hindu. Even, were they to be stupid enough .. Islamic. So you see, Dilloduck, your charge ultimately doesn't hold water. Islam has the aggression, and the inbuilt tools, to expand and conquer in a way that its polar opposite does NOT. Personally, I think the world would be far better off if all countries were run as Western, Christian democracies. Others may believe that too. But that's not nearly the same thing as saying there's a drive, or plot, to make it happen !! By the way .. consider Iraq. After the 2003 invasion, Western forces, such as your own, could've imposed the brand of Government they chose, one in our own image. Instead, Islamic factions determine what happens there. Is their Government not a majority Shi-ite one ? Another, more recent example .. Libya. Western powers could've done more than just provide air support for anti-Gaddafi rebels .. they could've taken the country over, installed a puppet regime. INSTEAD, Dilloduck, what do we see in Libya today ?? As I say, your charge doesn't hold water, Dilloduck. That's because you made an absurd assumption. Christianity has been slowly fading as a power in western civilization. Secularists have been attacking it for years in the US and the number of Europeans who attend a Christian church has also decreased. Western civilization is secular and capitalist. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 488] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 11:56 AM Another, more recent example .. Libya. Western powers could've done more than just provide air support for anti-Gaddafi rebels .. they could've taken the country over, installed a puppet regime. INSTEAD, Dilloduck, what do we see in Libya today ?? The US couldn't win the hearts and minds of Iraqis with tens of thousands of boots on the ground. Your claim re Libya is laughable. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 489] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-12-2012 01:57 PM What we justify as acceptable to do the Muslims just for being Muslim, we will eventually do to others. Muslims -> Illegals -> Immigrants -> Outsiders . No one has said what one should do with this anti-Muslim information. It's like accelerating a vehicle without regard to the steering. You'll eventually have a crash. In WWII prejudice was managed to get people to accept the sacrifice associated with the war. Are you fanning prejudice so people will accept present and future TSA powers? I don't see any disagreement with some of the arson committed against Muslims. What about housing and employment discrimination against Muslims? Is that OK? Your attempt at playing the "victim card " for muslims is silly as hell when they are the ones doing the murdering. Here is a hint just for you, the victims are the dead people, murdered by Islamic FANATICS. In fact, over 270 million of them during Islam's 1400= year history. That you want to bring up "housing and employment discrimination", when the world is witnessing and suffering from thier many thousands of murders of innocent people yearly is laughable. You apparently mistake decency and moral outrage at the murder campaign they wage as prejudice ! A mistake that no intelligent person would make without having a huge bias figured into the mix IMHO. Why all the defense of the religion that is the largest sponsor of terrorism the world has ever witnessed!???-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 490] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-12-2012 02:02 PM That is the usual response when someone is beaten and cannot deal with the simple turth. Muslims terrorists kill in the name of their religion It can be murdereing their duaghters and wifes in "honor killings"; an Army officer who guns down 14 people at Ft Hood in the name of Allah; and the 9/11 hijakers who believed they would have all those virgins if they slaughterd thousands of people People like you take the PC road and do not want to "offend" the feelings of Muslims so you deny the truth and keep thinking they will eventually like us if we cower to them Amen!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 491] Author : red states rule Date : 10-12-2012 02:36 PM \ The offer for you to point out where I've said otherwise is still open. :lame2: You are losing your touch MM -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 492] Author : red states rule Date : 10-12-2012 02:38 PM Amen!!! After 40 plus years of dealing with bleeding heart libs and following their thought ptocess I do need to hire a private detective to figure out their motives -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 493] Author : Missileman Date : 10-12-2012 02:42 PM :lame2: You are losing your touch MM What's the matter asshole? Can't find a cartoon that makes you look witty and like you're getting your dick knocked in the dirt at the same time? What's lame is making an accusation and not backing it up. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 494] Author : Drummond Date : 10-12-2012 02:43 PM I doubt that you'll get any pay my friend. Dillo seems highly resistant to your teachings and without a doubt not a big believer in the sanctity of TRUTH. To him its all very, very subjective and the number of nuances are in the hundreds of billions methinks.-;)--Tyr which is to say that there is no real truth in his book..... Oh, how true, Tyr. Besides ... if Dillo ever did pay me .. I wonder what I'd spend it on ? Something he might not approve of, maybe ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 495] Author : red states rule Date : 10-12-2012 02:46 PM What's the matter asshole? Can't find a cartoon that makes you look witty and like you're getting your dick knocked in the dirt at the same time? What's lame is making an accusation and not backing it up. Getting testy eh? I made the links to how the Muslim terrorists murder for their religion. You, and others, want to ignore that facts and go the PC route when talking about terrorists Fine, that is your right If you want to lash out toward those who point that out - fine I only hope you are not one of the innocent pople murdered in the name of Allah MM. I only hope the Muslim bastards die trying to kill innocent people -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 496] Author : Drummond Date : 10-12-2012 02:46 PM What's the matter asshole? Can't find a cartoon that makes you look witty and like you're getting your dick knocked in the dirt at the same time? What's lame is making an accusation and not backing it up. Posts such as this really 'raise' the tone of meaningful discussion ... :whistling2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 497] Author : red states rule Date : 10-12-2012 02:48 PM Posts such as this really 'raise' the tone of meaningful discussion ... :whistling2: You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Drummond again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 498] Author : Missileman Date : 10-12-2012 02:50 PM Getting testy eh? I made the links to how the Muslim terrorists murder for their religion. You, and others, want to ignore that facts and go the PC route when talking about terrorists Yet you repeatedly refuse to point to where I did any such thing. Why is that? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 499] Author : Drummond Date : 10-12-2012 02:53 PM That's because you made an absurd assumption. Christianity has been slowly fading as a power in western civilization. Secularists have been attacking it for years in the US and the number of Europeans who attend a Christian church has also decreased. Western civilization is secular and capitalist. So I'm clear on this point .. are you saying that Christianity is dying a death in America (or under severe threat) ? If so .. doesn't that mean that its foundling principles are also under attack ? And .. if 'yes' to that .. aren't you spurred on to want to defend them ? If 'no' .. WHY NOT ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 500] Author : red states rule Date : 10-12-2012 02:56 PM Yet you repeatedly refuse to point to where I did any such thing. Why is that? Your post Actually, I'm an equal opportunity non-believer...I think you're all full of shit. I would NEVER suggest that someone's actions can be justified because of their beliefs. I was asking YOU the question to see if you might grasp the hypocrisy of your position. Not the first post where you tried to dismiss Muslims from comitting acts of violence due to their religious beliefs Please stop digging MM - the hole is deep enough for you already -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 501] Author : Missileman Date : 10-12-2012 02:59 PM So I'm clear on this point .. are you saying that Christianity is dying a death in America (or under severe threat) ? If so .. doesn't that mean that its foundling principles are also under attack ? And .. if 'yes' to that .. aren't you spurred on to want to defend them ? If 'no' .. WHY NOT ? Quote the parts of the Bible that discuss Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, checks and balances within government, and the rest of the Constitution. When you can't, explain how then you believe America's founding principles were Christian. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 502] Author : Missileman Date : 10-12-2012 03:01 PM Your post Not the first post where you tried to dismiss Muslims from comitting acts of violence due to their religious beliefs Please stop digging MM - the hole is deep enough for you already Read much? I clearly wrote that their religion DOESN'T justify their actions. Is that all you have? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 503] Author : aboutime Date : 10-12-2012 03:03 PM Posts such as this really 'raise' the tone of meaningful discussion ... :whistling2: Drummond. Forget this. It merely proves that Assholes always must accuse others in order to hide their own SPHINCTER talents, much like Missileman has. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 504] Author : red states rule Date : 10-12-2012 03:04 PM Read much? I clearly wrote that their religion DOESN'T justify their actions. Is that all you have? and we have this Please stop MM. I will need to call 911 to pull you out of the hole you are digging Thanks Kathianne...you're the first to actually answer my question. And you understand the point I'm making. Not that I believe it's the case, but I would further argue that if it turns out the Islamic fundies have it right, that Allah is God and the Koran's passages about killing infidels were divinely inspired and speak to Allah's wishes, then not only do they believe they're acting morally, but if as it's been suggested, morals are derived from god, then they are indeed acting morally. Tyr's of the opinion that Christian morality is the only valid morality because it's what he believes. He doesn't seem to grasp that Muslims hold the exact same opinion of their morality and up until the day that one or both or none are proven real, they have EQUAL claim to the moral high ground. This is not an indorsement of Islam nor a knock on Christianity. I don't believe in either. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 505] Author : Drummond Date : 10-12-2012 03:09 PM The US couldn't win the hearts and minds of Iraqis with tens of thousands of boots on the ground. Your claim re Libya is laughable. I wonder which Iraqis you have in mind ? Is it your contention - for example - that they have no appreciation of the introduction of democracy there ? If it wasn't (chiefly) the US who were responsible for that, who do you think WAS ? http://www.divinecaroline.com/33/108573-new-government-iraq After nearly a year fraught with political infighting, Iraq finally has a new government. The Iraqi parliament Tuesday voted in Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s government, even though some vacancies remain. The long-awaited legislative action comes more than nine months after a hotly disputed national election that threatened to inflame the country’s deep sectarian tensions. Within moments of the announcement, celebratory gunfire broke out across the capital. This is a “day of pride” for the Iraqi people, al-Maliki said on Monday, referencing the difficulty associated with the process of assembling a new governing coalition. Forming a genuine “national partnership” is “a very difficult and tough process because you need to find a place in the government for everyone who participated in the elections and everyone who won,” he noted. As for my claim on Libya being 'laughable' .. WHY ? I think my point was perfectly reasonable. Libya had a power vacuum in the making, for a substantial time the two sides in that civil war split the running of Libya in two .. considering how dependent the rebels were on Western air support to make the advances they needed to, it has to follow that the West had great potential there for filling that power vacuum with a preence of its own making. But, nothing of the sort occurred. How do you explain this, if your assertion is 'correct' ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 506] Author : Missileman Date : 10-12-2012 03:10 PM and we have this Please stop MM. I will need to call 911 to pull you out of the hole you are digging Again you display an inability to read. Did you somehow miss "Not that I believe it's the case" ? I was having an argument with Tyr about his use of his beliefs as an argument against another's beliefs. Keep throwing shit on the wall...so far it's made of teflon. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 507] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 03:11 PM So I'm clear on this point .. are you saying that Christianity is dying a death in America (or under severe threat) ? If so .. doesn't that mean that its foundling principles are also under attack ? And .. if 'yes' to that .. aren't you spurred on to want to defend them ? If 'no' .. WHY NOT ? No I'm not-----I'm saying Christianity isn't what symbolizes western culture. Western culture has rounded the curve and is now secular. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 508] Author : Drummond Date : 10-12-2012 03:11 PM Drummond. Forget this. It merely proves that Assholes always must accuse others in order to hide their own SPHINCTER talents, much like Missileman has. Good point, well taken (concerning the poster I was addressing previously) ... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 509] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 03:13 PM I wonder which Iraqis you have in mind ? Is it your contention - for example - that they have no appreciation of the introduction of democracy there ? If it wasn't (chiefly) the US who were responsible for that, who do you think WAS ? http://www.divinecaroline.com/33/108573-new-government-iraq As for my claim on Libya being 'laughable' .. WHY ? I think my point was perfectly reasonable. Libya had a power vacuum in the making, for a substantial time the two sides in that civil war split the running of Libya in two .. considering how dependent the rebels were on Western air support to make the advances they needed to, it has to follow that the West had great potential there for filling that power vacuum with a preence of its own making. But, nothing of the sort occurred. How do you explain this, if your assertion is 'correct' ? Are you kidding me----America turn Libya into a western culture ? :laugh2: and citing Divinecaroline ??? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 510] Author : Drummond Date : 10-12-2012 03:23 PM No I'm not-----I'm saying Christianity isn't what symbolizes western culture. Western culture has rounded the curve and is now secular. H'mm. So, you're saying that America doesn't represent a Western culture, then ? I suggest you take that up with the originators of this link .. http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government Aren't America's laws based on Christianity, Dilloduck ? Because the evidence to the contrary, even to someone like myself as a person from a different country, is surely overwhelming ??? I grant you that there are Western societies prone to secularism .. and that damage has been done to their legal systems courtesy of secularist interests (the intervention of the Labour Party in the UK to pass certain laws that Muslims can use for their own ends comes to mind .. for the sake of 'evening up' religions). But I still see America as a world leader. For your conclusion to be valid, you'd need to prove to me that her very soul had died a death. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 511] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 03:26 PM H'mm. So, you're saying that America doesn't represent a Western culture, then ? I suggest you take that up with the originators of this link .. http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government Aren't America's laws based on Christianity, Dilloduck ? Because the evidence to the contrary, even to someone like myself as a person from a different country, is surely overwhelming ??? I grant you that there are Western societies prone to secularism .. and that damage has been done to their legal systems courtesy of secularist interests (the intervention of the Labour Party in the UK to pass certain laws that Muslims can use for their own ends comes to mind .. for the sake of 'evening up' religions. But I still see America as a world leader. For your conclusion to be valid, you'd need to prove to me that her very soul had died a death. dramatic---hopefully you understand that America does not even represent all of western culture. Our religious leaders don't call the shots anymore--sorry to disappoint you. We worship money, power and status now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 512] Author : Drummond Date : 10-12-2012 03:30 PM Are you kidding me----America turn Libya into a western culture ? :laugh2: and citing Divinecaroline ??? You appear to have lost the plot, Dilloduck. I was saying that there had been NO intervention in Libya of the kind that would've backed up your earlier assertion about Western, and Christian, intentions globally. The attempt would've been made, had you been correct. There WAS a power vacuum in Libya. Your assessment of the success (or otherwise) is pretty much beside the point, if your claim had had any basis to it. After all - consider the other side of the coin. Didn't Russia try to turn Afghanistan into a puppet Communist-friendly State ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 513] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 03:33 PM You appear to have lost the plot, Dilloduck. I was saying that there had been NO intervention in Libya of the kind that would've backed up your earlier assertion about Western, and Christian, intentions globally. The attempt would've been made, had you been correct. There WAS a power vacuum in Libya. Your assessment of the success (or otherwise) is pretty much beside the point, if your claim had had any basis to it. After all - consider the other side of the coin. Didn't Russia try to turn Afghanistan into a puppet Communist-friendly State ? No--they tried to kick thier asses. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 514] Author : Drummond Date : 10-12-2012 03:38 PM dramatic---hopefully you understand that America does not even represent all of western culture. Our religious leaders don't call the shots anymore--sorry to disappoint you. We worship money, power and status now. Granted that as I'm not American, I can't speak with total confidence on this. Nonetheless, and as my link surely showed, your laws still have a Christian basis to them. They are meant to follow, and promote, Christian values. I fail to see how this is less than clear. And I tell you this. In America, for a Presidential candidate to promote his Christian bona fides can still be a vote WINNER .. certainly, there have been candidates unafraid to declare their beliefs. Contrast that with Tony Blair, who tried to HIDE his own ... he even had a spin-doctor declare to the media that Blair 'doesn't do God'. Accepted that America doesn't represent all of Western culture, nonetheless, it is the leading nation amongst them. That has to count for something ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 515] Author : Drummond Date : 10-12-2012 03:45 PM No--they tried to kick thier asses. ??????? Whose ? I thought Babrak Karmal was the leader of a puppet regime installed by Russia ? Yes .. the Mujahiddeen fought that Government, and Soviet occupation, tooth-and-nail. But that's beside the point. My point is that Russia made the attempt, even with a country like Afghanistan, to bring it into their Communist 'world'. Now .. why, then, would Christians - IF your older assertion had any basis to it, which of course it doesn't - back off from trying their luck with Libya, which as a landmass possessed few of the geographical handicaps to any invading force that Afghanistan offered ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 516] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 03:50 PM ??????? Whose ? I thought Babrak Karmal was the leader of a puppet regime installed by Russia ? Yes .. the Mujahiddeen fought that Government, and Soviet occupation, tooth-and-nail. But that's beside the point. My point is that Russia made the attempt, even with a country like Afghanistan, to bring it into their Communist 'world'. Now .. why, then, would Christians - IF your older assertion had any basis to it, which of course it doesn't - back off from trying their luck with Libya, which as a landmass possessed few of the geographical handicaps to any invading force that Afghanistan offered ? ??? America doesn't have a Christian army nor fight in the name of Christianity. What the hell are you thinking. ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 517] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 03:53 PM Granted that as I'm not American, I can't speak with total confidence on this. Nonetheless, and as my link surely showed, your laws still have a Christian basis to them. They are meant to follow, and promote, Christian values. I fail to see how this is less than clear. And I tell you this. In America, for a Presidential candidate to promote his Christian bona fides can still be a vote WINNER .. certainly, there have been candidates unafraid to declare their beliefs. Contrast that with Tony Blair, who tried to HIDE his own ... he even had a spin-doctor declare to the media that Blair 'doesn't do God'. Accepted that America doesn't represent all of Western culture, nonetheless, it is the leading nation amongst them. That has to count for something ! Are you familiar with the separation of church and state ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 518] Author : Drummond Date : 10-12-2012 04:49 PM ??? America doesn't have a Christian army nor fight in the name of Christianity. What the hell are you thinking. ? This is growing tiresome. You originally posted ... Our civilization will do what it has to in an effort to destroy their civilization also. If you don't think there is an effort underway to spread western civilization all over the world you're crazy. Are you afraid they are winning ? What was my reply ? I replied by saying that Western civilisation was primarily Christian. And I am RIGHT. Now, you can argue about what 'name' America fights for. But the facts of the matter are, Dilloduck, that America is a leading Western culture, AND, its core values - as its laws prove - are definably Christian. The Christian sense of right v wrong certainly dominates your laws, as it also does (mostly) in other Western cultures. When actions such as the Iraq War of 2003 are initiated, the thinking is not that troops are there to institute Sharia Law (!!!), nor Buddhism, nor Hinduism, nor any other 'ism' that's anti-Christian. If there's any point to armies fighting from the West, this point is NOT to advance the cause of Islam !!! That said ... even though those fighting from the West have (basically) a Christian grounding, theirs is nonetheless not an intention to CONQUER, or DOMINATE. No, they're there to right wrongs. Such as, to set Iraq upon a path post-Saddam, one which introduced democracy and true self-determination. Or in Afghanistan, to neutralise its terrorism problem sufficiently to allow the 'locals' to then take over the job. Righting wrongs, Dilloduck ... a far cry from 'Our civilization will do what it has to in an effort to destroy their civilization also', as you absurdly stated. But contrast this with Islam, which does whatever it can to spread its influence .. by terrorism, by mass immigration, by dominating wherever it establishes a firm presence. Islam is the aggressor. Its opposition defends against that aggression. And ... we have every right to follow through with that defence in terms which makes it effective. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 519] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-12-2012 05:04 PM What we justify as acceptable to do the Muslims just for being Muslim, we will eventually do to others. Muslims -> Illegals -> Immigrants -> Outsiders . No one has said what one should do with this anti-Muslim information. It's like accelerating a vehicle without regard to the steering. You'll eventually have a crash. In WWII prejudice was managed to get people to accept the sacrifice associated with the war. Are you fanning prejudice so people will accept present and future TSA powers? I don't see any disagreement with some of the arson committed against Muslims. What about housing and employment discrimination against Muslims? Is that OK? Quite a slippery slope you are predicting there. You must think so little of the American people and our government. There is no evidence to believe any of what you say will happen. But I suppose if any of those groups blow up a skyscraper or three on our soil, kill our Diplomats, etc., etc., all bets are off. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 520] Author : aboutime Date : 10-12-2012 05:50 PM Are you familiar with the separation of church and state ? WRONG AGAIN Dilloduck. I dare you to show all of us...anywhere in the U.S. Constitution, where those words 'separation of church and state' appear. That line is something liberal, uninformed, people use that has no Legal bearing, anywhere but in Liberal Talking Points. Here's a link you might read: http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/who2.htm -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 521] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 06:01 PM WRONG AGAIN Dilloduck. I dare you to show all of us...anywhere in the U.S. Constitution, where those words 'separation of church and state' appear. That line is something liberal, uninformed, people use that has no Legal bearing, anywhere but in Liberal Talking Points. Here's a link you might read: http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/who2.htm easy boy===I made no claim it was in the Constitution and our military has no official religion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 522] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 06:06 PM This is growing tiresome. You originally posted ... What was my reply ? I replied by saying that Western civilisation was primarily Christian. And I am RIGHT. Now, you can argue about what 'name' America fights for. But the facts of the matter are, Dilloduck, that America is a leading Western culture, AND, its core values - as its laws prove - are definably Christian. The Christian sense of right v wrong certainly dominates your laws, as it also does (mostly) in other Western cultures. When actions such as the Iraq War of 2003 are initiated, the thinking is not that troops are there to institute Sharia Law (!!!), nor Buddhism, nor Hinduism, nor any other 'ism' that's anti-Christian. If there's any point to armies fighting from the West, this point is NOT to advance the cause of Islam !!! That said ... even though those fighting from the West have (basically) a Christian grounding, theirs is nonetheless not an intention to CONQUER, or DOMINATE. No, they're there to right wrongs. Such as, to set Iraq upon a path post-Saddam, one which introduced democracy and true self-determination. Or in Afghanistan, to neutralise its terrorism problem sufficiently to allow the 'locals' to then take over the job. Righting wrongs, Dilloduck ... a far cry from 'Our civilization will do what it has to in an effort to destroy their civilization also', as you absurdly stated. But contrast this with Islam, which does whatever it can to spread its influence .. by terrorism, by mass immigration, by dominating wherever it establishes a firm presence. Islam is the aggressor. Its opposition defends against that aggression. And ... we have every right to follow through with that defence in terms which makes it effective. The US didn't go anywhere to stop the spread of Islam. We went to protect our nations interests--not our churches. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 523] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 06:10 PM Whitman (2009) observes that in many European countries, the state has, over the centuries, taken over the social roles of the church, leading to a generally secularized public sphere.[1] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#cite_note-0) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 524] Author : aboutime Date : 10-12-2012 06:14 PM easy boy===I made no claim it was in the Constitution and our military has no official religion. If what you said is so. Why then, did you need to ask the question in the first place???? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 525] Author : Drummond Date : 10-12-2012 06:18 PM The US didn't go anywhere to stop the spread of Islam. We went to protect our nations interests--not our churches. Well, how few churches would there have been to protect, anyway ? In case you hadn't noticed, Muslims tend not to be very tolerant of churches springing up in the Middle East !! [Though, of course, they expect and even DEMAND toleration of mosques in Western nations !] But let me remind you, again, of this previous posting of yours -- 'Our civilization will do what it has to in an effort to destroy their civilization also' This is something of a contrast compared with the post you've just put on this thread, now, isn't it ? I suggest you give your posting some thought, and decide which of these diverging positions (if either) you want to stick with. Flip a coin, if it'll help .... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 526] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 06:28 PM Well, how few churches would there have been to protect, anyway ? In case you hadn't noticed, Muslims tend not to be very tolerant of churches springing up in the Middle East !! [Though, of course, they expect and even DEMAND toleration of mosques in Western nations !] But let me remind you, again, of this previous posting of yours -- This is something of a contrast compared with the post you've just put on this thread, now, isn't it ? I suggest you give your posting some thought, and decide which of these diverging positions (if either) you want to stick with. Flip a coin, if it'll help .... Civilizations have always fought to defend themselves however that doesn't NOT mean America fights to protect Christianity. We don't even have a state religion as you do. If anything the rights of Christians have been decreased over the last century. In America you can pee on Jesus and Christians can't do a thing about it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 527] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-12-2012 06:30 PM So I'm clear on this point .. are you saying that Christianity is dying a death in America (or under severe threat) ? If so .. doesn't that mean that its foundling principles are also under attack ? And .. if 'yes' to that .. aren't you spurred on to want to defend them ? If 'no' .. WHY NOT ? Why not indeed!!!?????? All true Americans want to maintain our founding principles.. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 528] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 06:35 PM Why not indeed!!!?????? All true Americans want to maintain our founding principles.. --Tyr Which includes the right of mulsims to worship as they please and all other rights guaranteed to Americans. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 529] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-12-2012 06:35 PM Civilizations have always fought to defend themselves however that doesn't NOT mean America fights to protect Christianity. We don't even have a state religion as you do. If anything the rights of Christians have been decreased over the last century. In America you can pee on Jesus and Christians can't do a thing about it. Yet you defend Islamists right to do things about it when they feel their religion has been attacked. Why do you feel they should have the right but Christians should not ? That America should not? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 530] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 06:39 PM Yet you defend Islamists right to do things about it when they feel their religion has been attacked. Why do you feel they should have the right but Christians should not ? That America should not? Never have I defended Mulsims committing a crime. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 531] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-12-2012 06:39 PM Which includes the right of mulsims to worship as they please and all other rights guaranteed to Americans. No sir, you are wrong , it does not if worshipping as they please includes murdering, bombing, illegal acts and treason. The greatest opposition to Islam is its violence which the Constitution in no way protects!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 532] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 06:41 PM No sir, you are wrong , it does not if worshipping as they please includes murdering, bombing, illegal acts and treason. The greatest opposition to Islam is its violence which the Constitution in no way protects!--Tyr as long as they obey our laws they can worship as they please -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 533] Author : Drummond Date : 10-12-2012 06:42 PM Civilizations have always fought to defend themselves however that doesn't NOT mean America fights to protect Christianity. We don't even have a state religion as you do. If anything the rights of Christians have been decreased over the last century. In America you can pee on Jesus and Christians can't do a thing about it. See Tyr's thoroughly laudible post. I think it's a good answer to you. My understanding, and your laws certainly back this, is that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles (.. and in the days when I watched his broadcasts, I recall Bill O'Reilly saying exactly that on Fox News ..). Now, do you care about your country's soul, or don't you ? But I will agree that Christian rights have been eroded, and continue to be. Of course, I would apply a context to that which comes from my part of the world, but here, Lefties have conspired to skew laws so that Muslims (and other ethnic minorities) have enhanced rights, at the expense of recognised Christian ones. .. Dress codes, for example. Wear a Hijab to work, and that can be accepted. But in certain professions .. wear a Crucifix, and watch the complaints mount .. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 534] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 06:47 PM Mainstream Islam condemns honor killings (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Honor_killings), and leaders of the American Muslim community have unanimously condemned the practice. Members of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations) have condemned all honor killings as well as specific incidents.[2] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#cite_note-1) Many Muslim leaders in the US say that Islam does not promote honor killings and that the practice stems from sexism and tribal behavior that predates the religion. "You're always going to get problems with chauvinism and suppressing vulnerable populations and gender discrimination," says Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Muslim_Public_Affairs_Council).[3] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#cite_note-2) In February 2009, after the high-profile killing of Aasiya Zubair (http://www.debatepolicy.com/wiki/Aasiya_Zubair), Muslim leaders began a nationwide, unified effort entitled "Imams Speak Out: Domestic Violence Will Not Be Tolerated in Our Communities," asking all imams and religious leaders to discuss domestic violence in their weekly sermon on their Friday prayer services.[4] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#cite_note-3) The group, Muslim Men Against Domestic Violence (http://www.mmada.org/), was founded soon after the murder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_in_the_United_States -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 535] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-12-2012 06:50 PM as long as they obey our laws they can worship as they please THEIR LAWS(Sharia) AND many of their religious beliefs are contrary to the principles set forth in our Constitution. So they seek to override our laws in favor of their religious laws. We see both open and sometimes hidden efforts of them doing exactly that. That is an attack upon both our nation and our culture! Yet you defend them having that right!! They maintain no god, no authority above Allah, this can not be challenged and it directly seeks to subjugate our Constitution and laws ! Subjugate them into being destroyed completely. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 536] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 06:52 PM See Tyr's thoroughly laudible post. I think it's a good answer to you. My understanding, and your laws certainly back this, is that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles (.. and in the days when I watched his broadcasts, I recall Bill O'Reilly saying exactly that on Fox News ..). Now, do you care about your country's soul, or don't you ? But I will agree that Christian rights have been eroded, and continue to be. Of course, I would apply a context to that which comes from my part of the world, but here, Lefties have conspired to skew laws so that Muslims (and other ethnic minorities) have enhanced rights, at the expense of recognised Christian ones. .. Dress codes, for example. Wear a Hijab to work, and that can be accepted. But in certain professions .. wear a Crucifix, and watch the complaints mount .. The soul of America has no religion. Why can't you get that through your head ? The soul of America is freedom which YOU are trying to deny muslims. If you can deny one religion than you must deny them all. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 537] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 06:54 PM THEIR LAWS(Sharia) AND many of their religious beliefs are contrary to the principles set forth in our Constitution. So they seek to override our laws in favor of their religious laws. We see both open and sometimes hidden efforts of them doing exactly that. That is an attack upon both our nation and our culture! Yet you defend them having that right!! They maintain no god, no authority above Allah, this can not be challenged and it directly seeks to subjugate our Constitution and laws ! Sujugate them into being destroyed completely. -Tyr They are free to seek -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 538] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-12-2012 06:56 PM See Tyr's thoroughly laudible post. I think it's a good answer to you. My understanding, and your laws certainly back this, is that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles (.. and in the days when I watched his broadcasts, I recall Bill O'Reilly saying exactly that on Fox News ..). Now, do you care about your country's soul, or don't you ? But I will agree that Christian rights have been eroded, and continue to be. Of course, I would apply a context to that which comes from my part of the world, but here, Lefties have conspired to skew laws so that Muslims (and other ethnic minorities) have enhanced rights, at the expense of recognised Christian ones. .. Dress codes, for example. Wear a Hijab to work, and that can be accepted. But in certain professions .. wear a Crucifix, and watch the complaints mount .. Methinks that our friend Dillo would love to see America in the same position that Britain is in. About to go under without a fight. Unless Brits form a united opposition group very soon thats willing to actually fight that is what will happen. A pity too , because we owe them our support and our actual help to try save them.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 539] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 06:58 PM Methinks that our friend Dillo would love to see America in the same position that Britain is in. About to go under without a fight. Unless Brits form a united opposition group very soon thats willing to actually fight that is what will happen. A pity too , because we owe them our support and our actual help to try save them.-Tyr You thinking is leading you astray -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 540] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-12-2012 07:02 PM The soul of America has no religion. Why can't you get that through your head ? The soul of America is freedom which YOU are trying to deny muslims. If you can deny one religion than you must deny them all. No, you get this thru your head--they have not the freedom to seek to destroy our freedoms in favor of their religious laws(SHARIA)! The Consitution did not write in a "suicide clause" to its VERY existence and ideals !!! WHAT THEY SEEK IS ALLAH AS SUPREME AUTHORITY, OUR CONSTITUTION FORBIDS THAT BY ITS IDEALS, FREEDOMS AND OUR BILL OF RIGHTS.--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 541] Author : aboutime Date : 10-12-2012 07:03 PM The soul of America has no religion. Why can't you get that through your head ? The soul of America is freedom which YOU are trying to deny muslims. If you can deny one religion than you must deny them all. Dilloduck. What you laughingly call the soul of America, as having no religion is nearly as foolishly spoken as you believe. The soul of America. Whether people like you want to agree, or disagree does exist and is stronger than many are willing to admit. Merely remembering History, and how the Founding Fathers...from many different religious backgrounds, formulated our nation. And even announced it as being God fearing, and based on religious beliefs must really FROST your shorts. And you might even find disgust in how our Large, Black American population is probably the strongest portion of America that holds religion sacred as their SOUL, and backbone of enjoying their freedom, liberty, and lives in a Respectful, Serious way. Unlike those who DENY any faith, or God like subjects....which gives them excuses for violating the LAWS OF MAN...you also reject. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 542] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-12-2012 08:04 PM The soul of America has no religion. Why can't you get that through your head ? The soul of America is freedom which YOU are trying to deny muslims. If you can deny one religion than you must deny them all. I guess we will find out when times get really bad. I believe that when put to the test, Christians will shine. I think Avatar sees a revival coming as well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 543] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-12-2012 09:08 PM Christians have no need to fear anything. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 544] Author : Drummond Date : 10-13-2012 12:02 AM THEIR LAWS(Sharia) AND many of their religious beliefs are contrary to the principles set forth in our Constitution. So they seek to override our laws in favor of their religious laws. We see both open and sometimes hidden efforts of them doing exactly that. That is an attack upon both our nation and our culture! Yet you defend them having that right!! They maintain no god, no authority above Allah, this can not be challenged and it directly seeks to subjugate our Constitution and laws ! Subjugate them into being destroyed completely. -Tyr :clap::clap: ... and what you're describing, Tyr, is exactly the experience of their behaviour that we've had in Britain. I recommend that Dilloduck and others listen to the speeches (.. should I say 'rants' ?) of one Anjem Choudary, former head of 'Islam4uk' (until our authorities finally banned it). He makes it clear that Muslims only respect Sharia Law and the authority of Allah. In case anyone is tempted to think .. 'OK, who's Choudary ? Besides, he is only one lone voice, and one thousands of miles away in the UK, so why are his rantings of any interest' .. Choudary has been interviewed by CNN and by Fox News's Sean Hannity. He's spoken of wanting Sharia Law imposed universally, i.e including in America. He is clear in his wish to see democracy done away with entirely and for Sharia Law dictates to replace it. He also tried - and, for all I know, succeeded - in arranging a Muslim protest to be held outside the White House. ... and Dilloduck .. let me ask you directly ... and I hope for a direct, clear answer. Are you a Muslim ? If you are, I think it would be helpful to us all to understand why you seem so defensive of them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 545] Author : red states rule Date : 10-13-2012 05:13 AM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_in_the_United_States I remember the last time a poster here used Wikipedia as a "source" It was a Obama worshipper backing up his claim Obama has a "shitload of economic experience" Meanwhile: Canada: Mother's throat slit in alleged honor killing http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13164905-canada-mothers-throat-slit-in-alleged-honour-killing Nearly 3000 cases of ‘honour’ violence every year in the UK http://ikwro.org.uk/2011/12/03/nearly-3000-cases-of-honour-violence-every-year-in-the-uk/ Rise in PA ‘Honor Killings’ Despite US Aid“Honor Killings” rise sharply in the Palestinian Authority, along with more US aid “designed to support strong institutions” of the PA. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159119 Maybe you should pull your head out of the sand Dilo and take a long hard lok at what is happeneing in the real world -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 546] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-13-2012 11:33 AM I remember the last time a poster here used Wikipedia as a "source" It was a Obama worshipper backing up his claim Obama has a "shitload of economic experience" Meanwhile: Canada: Mother's throat slit in alleged honor killing http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13164905-canada-mothers-throat-slit-in-alleged-honour-killing Nearly 3000 cases of ‘honour’ violence every year in the UK http://ikwro.org.uk/2011/12/03/nearly-3000-cases-of-honour-violence-every-year-in-the-uk/ Rise in PA ‘Honor Killings’ Despite US Aid “Honor Killings” rise sharply in the Palestinian Authority, along with more US aid “designed to support strong institutions” of the PA. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159119 Maybe you should pull your head out of the sand Dilo and take a long hard lok at what is happeneing in the real world I'll take a look at what is happening in America. Honor killings are against the law. Plaintiffs may seek to change the law as we are all free to do so. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 547] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-13-2012 11:37 AM I'll take a look at what is happening in America. Honor killings are against the law. Plaintiffs may seek to change the law as we are all free to do so. What? Change the law to allow honor killings!!?? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR FREAKING MIND!??--TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 548] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-13-2012 11:40 AM What? Change the law to allow honor killings!!?? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR FREAKING MIND!??--TYR Anyone can petition for the law to be changed now matter how unreasonable. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 549] Author : Drummond Date : 10-13-2012 01:07 PM What? Change the law to allow honor killings!!?? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR FREAKING MIND!??--TYR Exactly ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 550] Author : Drummond Date : 10-13-2012 01:09 PM Anyone can petition for the law to be changed now matter how unreasonable. But it's most odd that you should ever offer such a suggestion when it comes to this particular Muslim barbarism. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 551] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-13-2012 01:10 PM How in the hell do you think abortion was legalized ? Y'all need to quit patting each other's backs and do some homework. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 552] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-13-2012 01:12 PM But it's most odd that you should ever offer such a suggestion when it comes to this particular Muslim barbarism. i DIDN'T offer it----I said it was possible. Seriously-----you need to make an attempt to understand what I post instead of twisting it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 553] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-13-2012 01:14 PM Christians have no need to fear anything. Wellll, that requires a separate thread on Revelation. If you believe, things will actually get very bad for those of us still here (not raptured) for several years. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 554] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-13-2012 01:21 PM Anyone can petition for the law to be changed now matter how unreasonable. So that was what you meant. Dillo, what game are you playing here? Why bring it up or suggest it unless you favor it or somehow think it reasonable? Quite pretending your statements are abstracts when you are called to task on them. It clearly points to deception and dishonesty in posting when engaging it that type of discourse IMHO.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 555] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-13-2012 01:24 PM i DIDN'T offer it----I said it was possible. Seriously-----you need to make an attempt to understand what I post instead of twisting it. SIR, YOU ARE DOING THE TWISTING AND ATTEMPTING THE PLAYING WITH WORDS NOT DRUMMONDS. Thats obvious to anybody reading your posts. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 556] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-13-2012 01:25 PM Wellll, that requires a separate thread on Revelation. If you believe, things will actually get very bad for those of us still here (not raptured) for several years. God is with Christians ALWAYS. I agree that it's an issue for a new thread. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 557] Author : Drummond Date : 10-13-2012 01:27 PM How in the hell do you think abortion was legalized ? Y'all need to quit patting each other's backs and do some homework. You're now suddenly changing the subject ? Honour killings (excuse the British spelling) was what was being discussed. Quickly reviewing .. you answered a post on that subject, with .. I'll take a look at what is happening in America. Honor killings are against the law. Plaintiffs may seek to change the law as we are all free to do so. Your suggestion, Dilloduck, followed through with, made in answer to that subject - which earned, understandably, Tyr's incredulity. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 558] Author : Drummond Date : 10-13-2012 01:29 PM i DIDN'T offer it----I said it was possible. Seriously-----you need to make an attempt to understand what I post instead of twisting it. I'm twisting nothing. See Tyr's posts. You did volunteer a thought to which Tyr then reacted. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 559] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-13-2012 01:34 PM You're now suddenly changing the subject ? Honour killings (excuse the British spelling) was what was being discussed. Quickly reviewing .. you answered a post on that subject, with .. Your suggestion, Dilloduck, followed through with, made in answer to that subject - which earned, understandably, Tyr's incredulity. Changing the law is what was being discussed. Killing is killing----the law was challenged and abortion ( killing) was legalized. Anyone can file suit and challenge a law. I don't condone any killing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 560] Author : red states rule Date : 10-13-2012 01:38 PM What? Change the law to allow honor killings!!?? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR FREAKING MIND!??--TYR Tyr, before one can lose something, one needs to possess it first -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 561] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-13-2012 01:42 PM Changing the law is what was being discussed. Killing is killing----the law was challenged and abortion ( killing) was legalized. Anyone can file suit and challenge a law. I don't condone any killing. The subject was not abortion, it was honor killings. Your suggestion clearly addressed that-HONOR KILLINGS, now you attempt to cloud the issue with abortion as a consideration.. You've been asked by Drummonds if you are of the muslim faith. How about answering that for a start? For it may explain your rather odd behaviour.-TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 562] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-13-2012 01:44 PM Tyr, before one can lose something, one needs to possess it first :beer: :salute: :beer:...-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 563] Author : red states rule Date : 10-13-2012 01:45 PM The subject was not abortion, it was honor killings. Your suggestion clearly addressed that-HONOR KILLINGS, now you attempt to cloud the issue with abortion as a consideration.. You've been asked by Drummonds if you are of the muslim faith. How about answering that for a start? For it may explain your rather odd behaviour.-TYR Maybe Dillo is the kind of guy who has no issue with men using women as a punching bag. Beating up women does appeal to some men who do not have the ability to take on other men. Perhaps Dillo is a guy who could not punch a time clock unless he had three other guys backing him up :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 564] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-13-2012 02:06 PM Maybe Dillo is the kind of guy who has no issue with men using women as a punching bag. Beating up women does appeal to some men who do not have the ability to take on other men. Perhaps Dillo is a guy who could not punch a time clock unless he had three other guys backing him up :laugh: That's it---you caught me again. :lmao: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 565] Author : red states rule Date : 10-13-2012 02:08 PM That's it---you caught me again. :lmao: Dillo, if you have the misfortune of meeting terrorists, they might show you their appreciation for your support by killing you last -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 566] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-13-2012 02:14 PM So that was what you meant. Dillo, what game are you playing here? Why bring it up or suggest it unless you favor it or somehow think it reasonable? Quite pretending your statements are abstracts when you are called to task on them. It clearly points to deception and dishonesty in posting when engaging it that type of discourse IMHO.-Tyr Listen up-----for Sharia Law to be enacted in the US the current law would have to be challenged and the courts would have to rule that Sharia Law takes precendent. Britain rolled over and allowed it to happen in certain cases ( primarily arbitration in civil law). If the American judicial system rolls over when our current laws are challenged it can happen here too. They rolled over and allowed abortion. If you truly want to fight sharia law you better take it up with the courts. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 567] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-13-2012 02:15 PM :dance: Dillo, if you have the misfortune of meeting terrorists, they might show you their appreciation for your support by killing you last I'll let you know how it goes. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 568] Author : tailfins Date : 10-13-2012 04:32 PM :beer: :salute: :beer:...-Tyr Cartoons from Tyr-Ziu "Joe Biden" Saxnot. http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/smilies/dance.gif I'll let you know how it goes. For your first mission, you need to buy a snack from a guy named Isma'il at a corner convenience store. Please tell us if you come out alive. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 569] Author : aboutime Date : 10-13-2012 05:46 PM Dillo, if you have the misfortune of meeting terrorists, they might show you their appreciation for your support by killing you last red states rule. Liberal, Democrats like Dillo never have to worry about losing their heads at the hands of terrorists. They only BEHEAD those who threaten them with Brains. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 570] Author : red states rule Date : 10-14-2012 05:17 PM red states rule. Liberal, Democrats like Dillo never have to worry about losing their heads at the hands of terrorists. They only BEHEAD those who threaten them with Brains. Dillo is what is known as a useful idiot http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/1842567/82812169.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 571] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-14-2012 05:18 PM http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/10/12/pakistan-teen-taliban-shot.html?cmp=rss Taliban ordered hit on teen activist 2 months ago Pakistani girl remains unconscious, on ventilator The Associated Press Posted: Oct 12, 2012 6:12 AM ET Last Updated: Oct 12, 2012 11:22 AM ET Read 153 comments153 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/10/12/pakistan-teen-taliban-shot.html#socialcomments) http://www.debatepolicy.com/gfx/images/news/topstories/2012/10/10/hi-shot-activist-cp03397027-8col.jpg A badly wounded Malala Yousafzai is moved to a helicopter on Oct. 9 to be taken to Peshawar for treatment in Mingora, Swat Valley, Pakistan. The 14-year-old activist is known for championing the education of girls and publicizing atrocities committed by the Taliban. (Sherin Zada/Associated Press) Facebook 3 Twitter 51 Share 54 Email Related Related Stories
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A spokesman for the Taliban's Swat Valley chapter says its leadership decided two months ago to kill a 14-year-old activist, who was shot and seriously wounded this week — and then sent out a hit squad to carry out the job. A spokesman, Sirajuddin Ahmad, on Friday said Malala Yousufzai was warned three times to stop her activities promoting "Western thinking," but she did not. He said the last warning was conveyed a week ago to her family. Ahmad said two of the attackers had expertise in shooting people in the head. The hit squad carefully examined the girl's route from school to her home. In a separate development Friday, Pakistani police in the town of Mingora, where the shooting occurred, said they have arrested a number of suspects in the case. Mingora police chief Afzal Khan Afridi declined to give details about the number of people detained or what role they're suspected in having in the shooting. Yousufzai is in "satisfactory" condition at a military hospital, a spokesman said Friday, cautioning that the next few days will be critical. Maj. Gen. Asim Saleem Bajwa said she is being kept unconscious and on a ventilator, and doctors will decide when to take her off. "Her blood pressure is normal. Heartbeat is normal, and thanks to God, her condition is satisfactory," Bajwa said. Bajwa said the bullet entered her head and went into her neck toward her spine, but it was too soon to say whether she had any significant head injury. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank God that she is not dead and is doing as good as she is! This is the type of people that defend Islam, they will murder anybody, they are the Jihadists. And hundreds of millions muslims support that type be it Taliban, Al qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, etc.. They support it because its a part of Islam, a core part.. THIS IS WHY I TAKE MY STAND!!! THIS MURDERING BRUTALITY THAT IS ISLAM.. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 572] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-14-2012 05:23 PM cartoons from tyr-ziu "joe biden" saxnot. For your first mission, you need to buy a snack from a guy named isma'il at a corner convenience store. Please tell us if you come out alive. you buy, you do business with them and you support them because of it.putting your personal gain over the safety and security of our nation. Putting that gain over the value of the lives they murder and destroy. You sold out not me!--tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 573] Author : Drummond Date : 10-14-2012 06:00 PM http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by red states rule http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=584706#post584706) Dillo, if you have the misfortune of meeting terrorists, they might show you their appreciation for your support by killing you last :dance: I'll let you know how it goes. ... really ?? Surely, this can only mean one thing .. that you'd expect to survive such an encounter ? How would you manage that, Dilloduck ? What would be your 'secret' for guaranteed survival ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 574] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-14-2012 06:44 PM ... really ?? Surely, this can only mean one thing .. that you'd expect to survive such an encounter ? How would you manage that, Dilloduck ? What would be your 'secret' for guaranteed survival ? My hands are lethal weapons. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 575] Author : Drummond Date : 10-14-2012 06:58 PM My hands are lethal weapons. So are guns firing bullets, Dilloduck. And they're somewhat quicker ... No, I still find your confidence curious. Consider the average bloodlust-fuelled Muslim terrorist, Dilloduck, keen to dance on their victims' graves, always assuming there's enough left over from their bombs to bury. Consider also the fact of their subhumanity and their lack of any understanding of the word 'honour'. Whether or not you were likely to survive an encounter with any such disgusting savage, Dilloduck, the point is that you expressed confidence in your emerging apparently unscathed from your supposed encounter. I was wondering where your extent of certainty came from. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 576] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-14-2012 07:00 PM So are guns firing bullets, Dilloduck. And they're somewhat quicker ... No, I still find your confidence curious. Consider the average bloodlust-fuelled Muslim terrorist, Dilloduck, keen to dance on their victims' graves, always assuming there's enough left over from their bombs to bury. Consider also the fact of their subhumanity and their lack of any understanding of the word 'honour'. Whether or not you were likely to survive an encounter with any such disgusting savage, Dilloduck, the point is that you expressed confidence in your emerging apparently unscathed from your supposed encounter. I was wondering where your extent of certainty came from. Is this an interrogation ? Waterboard me if you think Im hiding some big secret. :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 577] Author : tailfins Date : 10-14-2012 07:05 PM So are guns firing bullets, Dilloduck. And they're somewhat quicker ... No, I still find your confidence curious. Consider the average bloodlust-fuelled Muslim terrorist, Dilloduck, keen to dance on their victims' graves, always assuming there's enough left over from their bombs to bury. Consider also the fact of their subhumanity and their lack of any understanding of the word 'honour'. Whether or not you were likely to survive an encounter with any such disgusting savage, Dilloduck, the point is that you expressed confidence in your emerging apparently unscathed from your supposed encounter. I was wondering where your extent of certainty came from. I thought conservatives promote rugged individualism and group guilt was a Socialist thing. I am seeing otherwise by apparent "conservatives". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 578] Author : aboutime Date : 10-14-2012 07:15 PM Is this an interrogation ? Waterboard me if you think Im hiding some big secret. :laugh2: It is IMPOSSIBLE to Waterboard a sponge. That's your only secret worth discussing here. And it would be a waste of good water too! It is also Impossible to Interrogate a Sponge. Two wrongs never make anything right. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 579] Author : Drummond Date : 10-14-2012 07:16 PM Is this an interrogation ? Waterboard me if you think Im hiding some big secret. :laugh2: Well, I'm not getting a direct reply to my questions. Launching an 'interrogation' only becomes appropriate when there's a need to press someone for answers when that person is reluctant to give them. As for 'waterboarding' .. I thought this was considered appropriate for use against captured Muslim terrorists ? Curious again is the fact that you attribute an appropriateness of such a method to yourself, without any suggestion of it previously from me. Are you trying to tell us something, Dilloduck ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 580] Author : Drummond Date : 10-14-2012 07:19 PM I thought conservatives promote rugged individualism and group guilt was a Socialist thing. I am seeing otherwise by apparent "conservatives". Sorry, I'm not following. Care to explain further ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 581] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-14-2012 07:20 PM So are guns firing bullets, Dilloduck. And they're somewhat quicker ... No, I still find your confidence curious. Consider the average bloodlust-fuelled Muslim terrorist, Dilloduck, keen to dance on their victims' graves, always assuming there's enough left over from their bombs to bury. Consider also the fact of their subhumanity and their lack of any understanding of the word 'honour'. Whether or not you were likely to survive an encounter with any such disgusting savage, Dilloduck, the point is that you expressed confidence in your emerging apparently unscathed from your supposed encounter. I was wondering where your extent of certainty came from. Maybe dillo is an undercover agent for the Muslim brotherhood.-:laugh2: He sure is confident about something in regards to meeting up with muslim terrorists. Curious indeed.. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 582] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-14-2012 07:21 PM It is IMPOSSIBLE to Waterboard a sponge. That's your only secret worth discussing here. And it would be a waste of good water too! It is also Impossible to Interrogate a Sponge. Two wrongs never make anything right. There's nothing to tell, knucklehead. These characters are on some wild goose chase. :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 583] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-14-2012 07:22 PM Maybe dillo is an undercover agent for the Muslim brotherhood.-:laugh2: He sure is confident about something in regards to meeting up with muslim terrorists. Curious indeed.. -Tyr :lmao: OK--now you've officially gone over the edge. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 584] Author : aboutime Date : 10-14-2012 07:22 PM Well, I'm not getting a direct reply to my questions. Launching an 'interrogation' only becomes appropriate when there's a need to press someone for answers when that person is reluctant to give them. As for 'waterboarding' .. I thought this was considered appropriate for use against captured Muslim terrorists ? Curious again is the fact that you attribute an appropriateness of such a method to yourself, without any suggestion of it previously from me. Are you trying to tell us something, Dilloduck ? Be patient Drummond. Eventually, after you have managed to confuse, frustrate, anger, and expose Dillo. The next tactics will come straight from our Liberal, Democrat talking points manual. You should expect the name calling, accusations, and attempts at personal destruction to begin shortly...followed by the terrorist, and racist slurs directed your way for exposing any form of liberal Intolerance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 585] Author : Drummond Date : 10-14-2012 07:26 PM :lmao: OK--now you've officially gone over the edge. Is that so ? OK. Why not try ANSWERING my posts ? I'll ask you again for a direct and proper response to my post #579. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 586] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-14-2012 07:33 PM Is that so ? OK. Why not try ANSWERING my posts ? I'll ask you again for a direct and proper response to my post #579. Tyhe answer to #579 is drum roll please NO -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 587] Author : aboutime Date : 10-14-2012 07:36 PM Tyhe answer to #579 is drum roll please NO Good for you Dillo. Taking the easiest, most protective, defensive mode that prevents you from being held responsible for saying anything that resembles an honest answer is just....so typically Liberal of you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 588] Author : Drummond Date : 10-14-2012 07:41 PM Tyhe answer to #579 is drum roll please NO 'NO', you're not trying to tell us anything ? Getting a bit tight-lipped, there, Dilloduck ? No matter. It was an interesting exchange, for as long as it lasted. I for one felt it had potential to be informative ... Good luck with any future inexplicable survivals of encounters with Muslim terrorists, which you evidently feel sure should occur (but which remain unexplained ..). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 589] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-14-2012 07:42 PM Good for you Dillo. Taking the easiest, most protective, defensive mode that prevents you from being held responsible for saying anything that resembles an honest answer is just....so typically Liberal of you. A liberal would have never given you a straight answer. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 590] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-14-2012 10:45 PM i DIDN'T offer it----I said it was possible. Seriously-----you need to make an attempt to understand what I post instead of twisting it. Sometimes one can be too subtle I guess. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 591] Author : red states rule Date : 10-15-2012 03:21 AM http://blog.timesunion.com/muslimwomen/files/2012/06/Sharia_Law_The_View1.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 592] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-15-2012 09:05 AM Sometimes one can be too subtle I guess. But never too cleverly deceitful, right?--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 593] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-15-2012 09:40 AM :facepalm99: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 594] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-15-2012 10:33 AM :facepalm99: Now that you are reduced to making posts like that I say..--:clap: Keep it up, it will impress everybody that sees it and certainly present your vast knowledge to amaze us..--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 595] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-15-2012 10:39 AM http://www.theblaze.com/stories/egypt%E2%80%99s-islamic-group-calls-for-jihad-to-force-sharia-into-constitution/ World Egypt’s Islamic Group Calls for Jihad to Force Sharia into Constitution Posted on October 14, 2012 at 12:05pm by http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/edac975f8afa1de788e1e382e6c79b57?s=17&d=http%3A%2F%2F0.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D17&r=G Sharona Schwartz (http://www.theblaze.com/blog/author/sharonachwartz) Egypt’s al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya – or Islamic Group – is warning it could use violence as a means to ensure Sharia law is adopted in the latest draft of the country’s constitution and is calling on Egyptians to wage “jihad and fight in support of Sharia.” This call was made by Mohamed Salah, the leader of the group which the U.S. designates as a terrorist organization. Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya’s spiritual leader was the blind Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/egypts-morsi-i-will-do-everything-in-my-power-to-secure-freedom-for-the-blind-sheikh/bio-omar-abdel-rahman-jamaa-islamiyya/) who is imprisoned in the U.S. for his role in blowing up the World Trade Center in New York in February 1993 and for plotting to assassinate then Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. Egypt Independent reports (http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/jama-al-islamiya-we-will-fight-sharia-even-if-blood-shed): Salah said during a conference in the Ain Shams neighborhood that Egyptians should “support Islamic Sharia in the Egyptian constitution,” and that “Jama’a al-Islamiya* will fight for the application of God’s law, even if that requires bloodshed.” He called on Islamist movements to organize mass demonstrations to “trap secularists inside the place where the Constituent Assembly holds its meetings, so that everyone knows that the people want an Islamist [state].” He also demanded that President Mohamed Morsy issue a decree to “defeat the schemes of liberals to reject the law of God.” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is another reason that I take mystand here and now. America had better wake up and do so soon.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 596] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-15-2012 11:37 AM Now that you are reduced to making posts like that I say..--:clap: Keep it up, it will impress everybody that sees it and certainly present your vast knowledge to amaze us..--Tyr Why waste words when you wouldn't understand them anyway. That smilie said everything IMO. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 597] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-15-2012 12:19 PM I understood it perfectly-----and I thought we were worried about Sharia Law being a threat to the AMERICAN constitution. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 598] Author : aboutime Date : 10-15-2012 04:57 PM A liberal would have never given you a straight answer. My mistake. Thank you Mister Obama. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 599] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-15-2012 06:00 PM Why waste words when you wouldn't understand them anyway. That smilie said everything IMO. Good , just use smilies from now on, it will be a vast improvement over your previous blather.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 600] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-15-2012 06:07 PM http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/Courts/Sharia-Law-in-America.png http://w.sharethis.com/images/check-big.png1719 http://w.sharethis.com/images/check-big.png173 http://w.sharethis.com/images/check-big.png52.3K Email Articlehttp://w.sharethis.com/images/check-small.png Print Article Send a Tip (http://www.debatepolicy.com/System/Send%20A%20Tip?page=%2fBig-Government%2f2012%2f08%2f03%2fObama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law) by William Bigelow (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Columnists/William-Bigelow) 6 Aug 2012 728 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#disqus_thread)post a comment (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#comments) The most terrifying danger Americans face from a second Barack Obama term isn’t the economy, which is scary enough.The most harrowing prospect is the Obama Administration’s passivity in the face of attempts to introduce aspects of sharia law into our legal system. Now there is strong and open evidence of the Obama administration collaborating with Islamist activists to ensure the path toward sharia law is accelerated. Just last week, Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General of the Department of Justice (DOJ) Civil Rights Division, was asked this question by Trent Franks (R-AZ), a member of the House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution: "Will you tell us here today that this Administration's Department of Justice will never entertain or advance a proposal that criminalizes speech against any religion?" Perez refused (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wwv9l6W8yc) to answer. Four times. And why would Franks target Perez? Here’s why: Last October, at George Washington University, there was a meeting between DOJ officials, including Perez, and Islamist advocates against free speech. Representatives from the Islamist side included Mohamed Magid, president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). The ISNA was an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding trial in 2008, as well as functioning as a Muslim Brotherhood Front. The leader of the Islamist attack was Sahar Aziz, an Egyptian-born American lawyer and Fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, a Muslim advocacy group based in Michigan. At the meeting, the Islamists lobbied for: Cutbacks in U.S. anti-terror training Limits on the power of terrorism investigators Changes in agent training manuals A legal declaration that criticism of Islam in the United States should be considered racial discrimination ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^^^^ This is why we must stand up now to stop Sharia law ..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 601] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-16-2012 08:33 AM Good , just use smilies from now on, it will be a vast improvement over your previous blather.-Tyr I'll have my kids draw up some stick figure illustrations for you so that you can keep up with the class. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 602] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-16-2012 08:44 AM I'll have my kids draw up some stick figure illustrations for you so that you can keep up with the class. Why? Not even able to draw stick figure illustrations yourself?:laugh2: You had better stick with the smilies offered here then. How about that obama goon, Thoma Perez , refusing to answer four times when asked about if the obama admin would ever entertain or advance a proposal criminalising speech against religion? See for reference my earlier post that you ignored. Care to discuss a real topic or is childish cartoonish insults all you got? :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 603] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-16-2012 08:50 AM Why? I need someone who can keep it down to your level. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 604] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-16-2012 10:07 AM http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/03/sharia-law-in-america-.html Here is real news, real story on creeping Sharia law in our country.--Tyr Thursday, March 31, 2011Sharia Law in America: Boy, 12, charged with hate crime for attempting to rip religious head scarf off head of classmateBottom line, this bully was a troublemaker. He should have been expelled from the school when he cut a chunk of hair off another girl in the class. That's what is wrong with this story -- the school's apathy and complacency towards violence. But he pulls on a headscarf and he is charged with blasphemy? WTF? "Hate crime" is enforcement of islamic law (sharia). Who decides whats a "hate crime"? CAIR? The Muslim Brotherhood? The OIC? Why wasn't the boy charged with a hate crime when he cut the chunk of hair out of the other girl's head? The hate crime of misogyny. Perhaps she was overweight. Should he not have been charged with a hate crime against fat people? Boy, 12, charged with hate crime for attempting to rip religious head scarf off head of classmate (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/03/31/2011-03-31_head_scarf_attack_nets_12yrold_boy_hate_arrest.html#ixzz1IBMnjc4I) NY Daily News A 12-year-old Staten Island (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Staten+Island) boy was charged with felony assault as a hate crime for attempting to rip a religious head scarf off the head of a classmate on Wednesday, sources said. Osman Daramy (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Osman+Daramy) attacked the female student outside the Berta Dreyfus Intermediate School (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Berta+Dreyfus+Intermediate+School) in Stapleton (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Stapleton+%28New+York%29) about 1 p.m., the sources said. Osman allegedly punched and kicked the girl before trying to grab the scarf wrapped around her head, sources said. He was unable to remove the hijab during the tussle. Cops also charged the hellbent schoolboy with aggravated harassment. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charged with a religious hate crime no less -- blasphemy. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 605] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-16-2012 12:28 PM How about that obama goon, Thoma Perez , refusing to answer four times when asked about if the obama admin would ever entertain or advance a proposal criminalising speech against religion? See for reference my earlier post that you ignored. Care to discuss a real topic or is childish cartoonish insults all you got? How about him? Bad Perez, bad DOJ, for shame. Here is real news, real story on creeping Sharia law in our country. We've had stupid hate crimes legislation in this country going on for 20 years, or more. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 606] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-16-2012 06:22 PM How about him? Bad Perez, bad DOJ, for shame. We've had stupid hate crimes legislation in this country going on for 20 years, or more. Hate crime legislation previously did not seek to include provisions against our free speech rights. To attempt to get blasphemy laws passed or even ordered by Executive order! Because Islamists want special protection for their cult they seek to destroy our free speech rights! Yet you seem to poo-poo that. Why? Arent you ever on the side of defending our Constitution? Defending our Bill of Rights? Sharia law is the very real threat that I maintain that it is..I will continue to post more truth and more proof of that..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 607] Author : tailfins Date : 10-16-2012 06:30 PM Hate crime legislation previously did not seek to include provisions against our free speech rights. To attempt to get blasphemy laws passed or even ordered by Executive order! Because Islamists want special protection for their cult they seek to destroy our free speech rights! Yet you seem to poo-poo that. Why? Arent you ever on the side of defending our Constitution? Defending our Bill of Rights? Sharia law is the very real threat that I maintain that it is..I will continue to post more truth and more proof of that..-Tyr There's a problem here, but not exactly the one presented. The problem is over criminalization and turning courts into government profit centers. "Hate crime" legislation is one more tool that leads to insane charges for obnoxious acts. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 608] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-16-2012 06:38 PM There's a problem here, but not exactly the one presented. The problem is over criminalization and turning courts into government profit centers. "Hate crime" legislation is one more tool that leads to insane charges for obnoxious acts. Actually, the same thinking that got us the insane hate crime legislation could get us a blasphemy law designed to protect Islam. That blasphemy law would be like the one that Sharia law has with maybe the exception of how severe the punishment would be but that could and would be amended later as they gain more power here. Its the creeping method that they so often use when facing greater opposition. Simply too dangerous for us to ever allow to start here, for its so like a cancer.. Study Britain for a good example of how they do it..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 609] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-16-2012 09:20 PM Hate crime legislation previously did not seek to include provisions against our free speech rights. To attempt to get blasphemy laws passed or even ordered by Executive order! Because Islamists want special protection for their cult they seek to destroy our free speech rights! Yet you seem to poo-poo that. Why? Arent you ever on the side of defending our Constitution? Defending our Bill of Rights? Sharia law is the very real threat that I maintain that it is..I will continue to post more truth and more proof of that..-Tyr 1. He committed assault and battery. A crime. 2. 12-year old students in school do not have freedom of speech. 3. Where haven't I defended the Constitution? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 610] Author : avatar4321 Date : 10-17-2012 01:23 AM Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts. Surely we that place such great value on justice and freedom can see that there can be absolutely no peace with Islam, with those so dedicated to destroying freedom and justice as we know it. Destroying it as our founders intended and created a governing magnificent document to guide. Should we fail to unite and arrive at that conclusion, create a proper plan of action and pursue it with determination we shall meet our destruction. For abandoning our integrity, honor and justice we shall pay a heavy price. One that few will dare admit because such tragedy is always the fate of others and we console ourselves with that old line of comforting thinking. Should we fail to act such tragedy may possibly be a just fate for a peoples that have betrayed the sacrifice of millions that gave us the most precious of blessings: Independence, freedom, Rule of law and Constitution.! Such a combination that was not only unique in the world but has since failed to be duplicated ! Should we abandone common sense, Rule of Law to follow the easier path of appeasement our choice made to avoid confronting our fears and our enemy shall almost certainly bring destruction for having renounced the gift that has been dearly bought with the blood, tears and treasure of countless Americans that have lived and died fighting the true fight. The good fight of justice over injustice , of good over evil and the happiness of having created and passed on a blessing beyond compare to future generations.. Rather than yield to complacency, indifference and shallow lusts of the times it may be wise to learn again how to fall to bended knee and asked for strength of mind , pureness of heart and justice defended by righteous blade and keen intellect! If you have no “blade” sell your costly toys to buy the best money can buy. For what good be such if in maintaining one looses their head? Ask not mercy and gifts from enemies with no honor but instead stand firm defend your life, your family and your country! For life often demands great sacrifice, think not and life will take that and more. The more being that which few can or will dare imagine but life cares not about our fears and failures. It is we that should care more about life! Care enough to stand against those that would murder our parents, enslave our children and exstinguish freedom and justice forever. Islam, shall not subjugate this great nation. Shall not if we face it without fear and with determination birthed from defending that which is good and right about our nation. The nation created to be the guiding light to the world. A Christian nation blessed by God and occupied by those brave enough to spill blood , blood of others as well as their own! -Tyr No link , my composition... I think it's obvious that the only source of peace in this world comes through God. We recieve peace from the Prince of Peace. Now, if we are right with God, is there any way Muslims or any other foe can beat us? And if we are not right with the Prince of Peace, how can we expect peace in our lives or with neighbors. I think it was clearly stated in Lincoln's call for a day of Humiliation, Fasting, and Prayer (http://www.quietwaters.org/abraham_lincoln_national_day_of_prayer.htm): And whereas, it is the duty of nations as as well as of men, to owe their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord: And, in so much as we know that, by His divine law, nations, like individuals, are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of civil war, which now desolates the land, may be but a punishment inflicted upon us for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole People? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved, these many years, in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth, and power as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us! It behooves us, then to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness. With God, No enemy will prevail against us. Without Him, we are left to our own devices. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 611] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-17-2012 10:25 AM I need someone who can keep it down to your level. No, what you need is help but too bad even when you get it it is not enough. You can never defeat the TRUTH pedro . I am but a messenger and even were you to shoot me the TRUTH still stands.. That you defend lies, liars and murderers(terrorists) will always insure that you fail too.. Sure , you defend them in what you think a clever way(keeping the stain off you) but it's still defending them no less.. I have and will always call you on it as long as I am here.. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 612] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-17-2012 10:34 AM I think it's obvious that the only source of peace in this world comes through God. We recieve peace from the Prince of Peace. Now, if we are right with God, is there any way Muslims or any other foe can beat us? And if we are not right with the Prince of Peace, how can we expect peace in our lives or with neighbors. I think it was clearly stated in Lincoln's call for a day of Humiliation, Fasting, and Prayer (http://www.quietwaters.org/abraham_lincoln_national_day_of_prayer.htm): With God, No enemy will prevail against us. Without Him, we are left to our own devices. ^^^^^^ I agree with that statement.. As a nation we are not right with God! Thats the problem. We have as a nation allowed the murder of an estimated 59+ million unborn children= legal abortions.. That shall not be ignored by God IMHO.. We MAY face a terrible wrath one day and misery unimaginable to modern man because of that.. I say may because only God knows the future.. Yet I take my stand come what may..If muslims gain control here in America they will murder me because of my words posted here on this site. A fact.. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 613] Author : Noir Date : 10-17-2012 11:04 AM With God, No enemy will prevail against us. Without Him, we are left to our own devices. Do you mean this in a literal or spiritual sense? If you mean spiritual, fair enough, that a philosophy based on belief, with which there can only be metaphysical discussion. If you mean literal, then we have a problem, because t does not matter how right with god you are, if a man comes at you with a sword and chains, he will lop of you're head and shackle your children. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 614] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-17-2012 11:07 AM No, what you need is help but too bad even when you get it it is not enough. You can never defeat the TRUTH pedro . I am but a messenger and even were you to shoot me the TRUTH still stands.. That you defend lies, liars and murderers(terrorists) will always insure that you fail too.. Sure , you defend them in what you think a clever way(keeping the stain off you) but it's still defending them no less.. I have and will always call you on it as long as I am here.. -Tyr You are still confusing defending "them" vs. saying that you are wrong. BTW, the truth is easily defeated via the ignorance of the populace, see 2008 for reference. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 615] Author : aboutime Date : 10-17-2012 02:50 PM You are still confusing defending "them" vs. saying that you are wrong. BTW, the truth is easily defeated via the ignorance of the populace, see 2008 for reference. NOT ONE MEMBER OF THIS FORUM has the capability, or power to change the TRUTH. Not one. Those who claim Lies are true, cannot prove they are true because they must make-up other lies they must always believe. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 616] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-17-2012 04:06 PM NOT ONE MEMBER OF THIS FORUM has the capability, or power to change the TRUTH. Not one. Those who claim Lies are true, cannot prove they are true because they must make-up other lies they must always believe. The problem is that TRUTH is mere interpretation of facts. Reasonable people can disagree I just happen to believe conservatism is correct. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 617] Author : avatar4321 Date : 10-17-2012 05:10 PM Do you mean this in a literal or spiritual sense? If you mean spiritual, fair enough, that a philosophy based on belief, with which there can only be metaphysical discussion. If you mean literal, then we have a problem, because t does not matter how right with god you are, if a man comes at you with a sword and chains, he will lop of you're head and shackle your children. I mean literally. No man with a sword can chop off my head and shackle my children unless it's God's will. He has told us how to be free. We are free when we follow the truth. The truth sets us free. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 618] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-17-2012 05:50 PM I think we need aliens to come by and help us look at ourselves and our lives with a different perspective. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 619] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-17-2012 06:01 PM You are still confusing defending "them" vs. saying that you are wrong. BTW, the truth is easily defeated via the ignorance of the populace, see 2008 for reference. Wrong, it may be covered up temporarily, hidden or rejected but it is never defeated. TRUTH no more can be defeated than can God. For alL Christians know that God is TRUTH.--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 620] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-17-2012 06:07 PM I think we need aliens to come by and help us look at ourselves and our lives with a different perspective. We have aliens by the millions, they engage in horrible crimes, take jobs from citizens and often demand special treatment while they use and abuse of social safety programs in order to send billions yearly in cash back to their home in Mexico. It figures that you would be clueless about all that.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 621] Author : aboutime Date : 10-17-2012 06:16 PM The problem is that TRUTH is mere interpretation of facts. Reasonable people can disagree I just happen to believe conservatism is correct. "That" is not a problem. The TRUTH always will remain the truth. While human beings will attempt to create their own forms of truth, call them facts, and believe them...even knowing they are false. And Falsehoods....CAN BE CHANGED to suit anyone while they struggle in their attempts, but fail, to change the Truth. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 622] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-17-2012 06:18 PM We have aliens by the millions, they engage in horrible crimes, take jobs from citizens and often demand special treatment while they use and abuse of social safety programs in order to send billions yearly in cash back to their home in Mexico. It figures that you would be clueless about all that.-Tyr can resist an insult can ya ? Nice try. :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 623] Author : aboutime Date : 10-17-2012 07:12 PM can resist an insult can ya ? Nice try. :laugh2: Dilloduck. You are not unlike other liberals here who always find a need to call STATING THE TRUTH as an Insult. Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen kinda comes to mind here. Just like Obama, and anyone who represents him in any way. Whenever the TRUTH is presented, and cannot be disputed Honestly. The trained Liberal, Democrat, gullible follower has been instructed to always deny TRUTH by calling the messenger out as Insulting them. It used to work. Until everyone wised up, and began to recognize how Liberals always avoid being confronted with the TRUTH. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 624] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-17-2012 08:03 PM Dilloduck. You are not unlike other liberals here who always find a need to call STATING THE TRUTH as an Insult. Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen kinda comes to mind here. Just like Obama, and anyone who represents him in any way. Whenever the TRUTH is presented, and cannot be disputed Honestly. The trained Liberal, Democrat, gullible follower has been instructed to always deny TRUTH by calling the messenger out as Insulting them. It used to work. Until everyone wised up, and began to recognize how Liberals always avoid being confronted with the TRUTH. As if you know what the truth is.------liberal :laugh: never voted liberal in my life. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 625] Author : aboutime Date : 10-17-2012 09:58 PM As if you know what the truth is.------liberal :laugh: never voted liberal in my life. So? Because you claim to have never voted Liberal, doesn't rule out your liberal leanings. As for not knowing what the truth is. Sure thing. So, here's your opportunity to disclose WHAT LIES you say I have told. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 626] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-17-2012 10:08 PM Wrong, it may be covered up temporarily, hidden or rejected but it is never defeated. TRUTH no more can be defeated than can God. For alL Christians know that God is TRUTH.--Tyr Who was talking about religion? That makes my statement even more correct. "That" is not a problem. The TRUTH always will remain the truth. While human beings will attempt to create their own forms of truth, call them facts, and believe them...even knowing they are false. And Falsehoods....CAN BE CHANGED to suit anyone while they struggle in their attempts, but fail, to change the Truth. Now you're just talking in circles. Truth is interpretation, people can easily be wrong but still be comfortable in their TRUTH. An example: FACT: 10 million jobs were created while Jimmy Carter was President. Truth or interpretation? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 627] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-18-2012 09:28 AM So? Because you claim to have never voted Liberal, doesn't rule out your liberal leanings. As for not knowing what the truth is. Sure thing. So, here's your opportunity to disclose WHAT LIES you say I have told. Better yet why don't you lay an absolute TRUTH on us. One that's a little more specific than "God". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 628] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-18-2012 10:19 AM As if you know what the truth is.------liberal :laugh: never voted liberal in my life. I've known you far too long to see you as a Lib. In fact, I think you defy categorization. ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 629] Author : aboutime Date : 10-18-2012 01:23 PM Better yet why don't you lay an absolute TRUTH on us. One that's a little more specific than "God". Absolute Truth? I'm so proud you asked me to do that. Here ya go. ABSOLUTE TRUTH....."OBAMA IS A LIAR!" And, for your entertainment. "That's the GOD'S HONEST TRUTH!" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 630] Author : Drummond Date : 10-18-2012 03:11 PM I think we need aliens to come by and help us look at ourselves and our lives with a different perspective. ... Muslims, for example ? Yes ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 631] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-18-2012 04:20 PM ... Muslims, for example ? Yes ? Dude--you really need to give up this thinking that I'm some kind of Muslim lover. I'm talking about space people. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 632] Author : aboutime Date : 10-18-2012 04:33 PM Dude--you really need to give up this thinking that I'm some kind of Muslim lover. I'm talking about space people. Dilloduck. Since you brought it up, and caught our attention. How bout you tell us How many 'space people' you actually know? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 633] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-18-2012 07:44 PM Dilloduck. Since you brought it up, and caught our attention. How bout you tell us How many 'space people' you actually know? I'd have to laser ya. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 634] Author : avatar4321 Date : 10-18-2012 08:48 PM Better yet why don't you lay an absolute TRUTH on us. One that's a little more specific than "God". What topic do you want the truth on? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 635] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-18-2012 09:05 PM What topic do you want the truth on? Islam -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 636] Author : aboutime Date : 10-18-2012 09:10 PM Islam Dilloduck. Which Version would that be? The one that punished women with beheadings, or the one that punishes anyone who claims to be an American? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 637] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-18-2012 09:13 PM Dilloduck. Which Version would that be? The one that punished women with beheadings, or the one that punishes anyone who claims to be an American? Good question-----is every single Muslim evil and deserving of reprimand and hate ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 638] Author : aboutime Date : 10-18-2012 09:17 PM Good question-----is every single Muslim evil and deserving of reprimand and hate ? Dilloduck. ANOTHER GOOD....NON-ANSWER. You really do sound more like Obama, every time you type something here. Using the Typical Liberal response...asking another question, rather than answering one is just so....LIBERALLY INTOLERANT. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 639] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-18-2012 09:21 PM Dilloduck. ANOTHER GOOD....NON-ANSWER. You really do sound more like Obama, every time you type something here. Using the Typical Liberal response...asking another question, rather than answering one is just so....LIBERALLY INTOLERANT. I asked for the truth about Islam--You responded with a question. Who is sounding like Obama ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 640] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-18-2012 09:25 PM Good question-----is every single Muslim evil and deserving of reprimand and hate ? haha, you answered his question with a question yourself then later scold him for returning the favor. You should never scold for others answering a question with a question for you do it so damn often yourself. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 641] Author : avatar4321 Date : 10-18-2012 09:28 PM Islam Sadly, I can't answer that one. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 642] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-18-2012 09:31 PM Ok folks--pay attention---I asked the first question. It was about Islam. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 643] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-18-2012 09:34 PM Good question-----is every single Muslim evil and deserving of reprimand and hate ? Evil exists in the world, that you seem to think it must exist as a supreme majority within a group to be real is foolhardy and a bit deceitful IMHO. FOR IT IS USED BY YOU TO FURTHER YOUR AGENDA BY AVOIDANCE AND SPIN. We had evil during WW2, it sought to dominate the world. Can we say alll germans or all japs were evil? Didnt matter, all that matters is who is in charge and what course they choose to take..Right now the mullahs reign supreme in Islam and they hold to the strictest fundamental form of Islam. In that , its commanded that muslims must force all humans to submit to Allah! Dont worry, when commanded the majority in Islam will obey and they depend on that reality. They in fact view it as their greatest strength against us!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 644] Author : aboutime Date : 10-18-2012 09:36 PM I asked for the truth about Islam--You responded with a question. Who is sounding like Obama ? Thanks Dilloduck. If you insist that I sound like Obama. You must certainly agree...BOTH OF US ARE LIARS as well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 645] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-18-2012 09:52 PM Evil exists in the world, that you seem to think it must exist as a supreme majority within a group to be real is foolhardy and a bit deceitful IMHO. FOR IT IS USED BY YOU TO FURTHER YOUR AGENDA BY AVOIDANCE AND SPIN. We had evil during WW2, it sought to dominate the world. Can we say alll germans or all japs were evil? Didnt matter, all that matters is who is in charge and what course they choose to take..Right now the mullahs reign supreme in Islam and they hold to the strictest fundamental form of Islam. In that , its commanded that muslims must force all humans to submit to Allah! Dont worry, when commanded the majority in Islam will obey and they depend on that reality. They in fact view it as their greatest strength against us!-Tyr Germany and Japan aren't religions. My agenda is to prosecute terrorists and not the religion they belong to. How do you intend to defeat a religion? Make it illegal to practice it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 646] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-18-2012 09:56 PM Ok folks--pay attention---I asked the first question. It was about Islam. I gave you a reply. What? You don't like it!!! Nothing surprising about that. You never like to hear the truth about Islam..You prefer to hear Jafar's version of Islam. One spewed forth by a believer in the cult... that is blinded by delusion and slavish obedience!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 647] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-18-2012 10:00 PM Germany and Japan aren't religions. My agenda is to prosecute terrorists and not the religion they belong to. How do you intend to defeat a religion? Make it illegal to practice it? Subject was Islam and Islam murders to further its agenda, that is evil. So my evil reference included the nazi's and the japs = WW2. Did apply. Your contention that Islam a religion can not be defeated never seems to include CHRISTIANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Isnt Christianity a religion?? Answer, dont ignore or spin..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 648] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-18-2012 10:04 PM Subject was Islam and Islam murders to further its agenda, that is evil. So my evil reference included the nazi's and the japs = WW2. Did apply. Your contention that Islam a religion can not be defeated never seems to include CHRISTIANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Isnt Christianity a religion?? Answer, dont ignore or spin..-Tyr LOL and you claim I spin :laugh2: DOH of course Christianity is a religion--it can't be defeated either. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 649] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-19-2012 07:47 AM I asked for the truth about Islam--You responded with a question. Who is sounding like Obama ? Apparently Socrates and his method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method) are truly dead. :shrug: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 650] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-19-2012 08:53 AM Apparently Socrates and his method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method) are truly dead. :shrug: " False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." Socrates Islam being the number one example of that.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 651] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-19-2012 08:56 AM " False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." Socrates Islam being the number one example of that.-Tyr Interesting opinion. Doesn't speak to this however. Germany and Japan aren't religions. My agenda is to prosecute terrorists and not the religion they belong to. How do you intend to defeat a religion? Make it illegal to practice it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 652] Author : tailfins Date : 10-19-2012 08:59 AM Interesting opinion. Doesn't speak to this however. The irony is that if Tyr's point of view were implemented, it would result in a victory for the Islamic terrorists. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 653] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-19-2012 09:11 AM The irony is that if Tyr's point of view were implemented, it would result in a victory for the Islamic terrorists. Thats bullshit of the highest caliber. One must oppose lethal opposition not yield to it. You preach ignoring the problem as if its nothing while I stand firm on meeting it head on as America has always done when faced with grave threats. Just because you pretend to take the hugh road does not validate your Chamberlainlike position. The fact that you hold that we can not defeat them speaks volumes about your true position. The Islamic terrorists are the advanced guard of the entire Islamic movement , they are not rogue elements as has been taught. Islam has been stopped before by being defeated and defeated decisively. Thats how Europe was saved. Try studying history..--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 654] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-19-2012 09:16 AM Interesting opinion. Doesn't speak to this however. The terrorists are the religion, it always has been with Islam. You guys know so little about Islam but then try to speak as if so damn knowledgeable on the subject. Islam is poised to make a major movement again! America has to be prepared to counter that because its first goal will be to destroy us! Blind, gullible and arrogant is no way to go thru life but you two have apparently mastered it and think its just peachy.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 655] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-19-2012 09:58 AM Thats bullshit of the highest caliber. One must oppose lethal opposition not yield to it. You preach ignoring the problem as if its nothing while I stand firm on meeting it head on as America has always done when faced with grave threats. Just because you pretend to take the hugh road does not validate your Chamberlainlike position. The fact that you hold that we can not defeat them speaks volumes about your true position. The Islamic terrorists are the advanced guard of the entire Islamic movement , they are not rogue elements as has been taught. Islam has been stopped before by being defeated and defeated decisively. Thats how Europe was saved. Try studying history..--Tyr I have taken the liberty of bolding your false assumptions. The terrorists are the religion, it always has been with Islam. You guys know so little about Islam but then try to speak as if so damn knowledgeable on the subject. Islam is poised to make a major movement again! America has to be prepared to counter that because its first goal will be to destroy us! Blind, gullible and arrogant is no way to go thru life but you two have apparently mastered it and think its just peachy.-Tyr Which is you still ignoring this. Germany and Japan aren't religions. My agenda is to prosecute terrorists and not the religion they belong to. How do you intend to defeat a religion? Make it illegal to practice it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 656] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-19-2012 10:26 AM Thats bullshit of the highest caliber. One must oppose lethal opposition not yield to it. You preach ignoring the problem as if its nothing while I stand firm on meeting it head on as America has always done when faced with grave threats. Just because you pretend to take the hugh road does not validate your Chamberlainlike position. The fact that you hold that we can not defeat them speaks volumes about your true position. The Islamic terrorists are the advanced guard of the entire Islamic movement , they are not rogue elements as has been taught. Islam has been stopped before by being defeated and defeated decisively. Thats how Europe was saved. Try studying history..--Tyr Show me one post that suggests ignoring the problem or retract the statement. The strawman has turned into a monster -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 657] Author : tailfins Date : 10-19-2012 12:05 PM Show me one post that suggests ignoring the problem or retract the statement. The strawman has turned into a monster If the ACLU can defend the Klan, we can defend Tyr's right to beclown himself. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 658] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-19-2012 01:47 PM If the ACLU can defend the Klan, we can defend Tyr's right to beclown himself. ^^^^^^^^^ The expert clown speaketh to amuse himself. I disagree with your ignorant stand on Islam and its grave threat to our security as a nation but will defend your right to make it because our freedom of speech insures that right even for dumbasses like you.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 659] Author : aboutime Date : 10-19-2012 02:10 PM There is a very easy way for all of us to learn, and determine what some insist...IS NOT a war on, or about a religion, and others do insist terrorism is a war of a Religion. Read, or take the time to find any of the known Terror Sponsored Websites where the Religion of Peace, and it's followers declare THEIR OWN RELIGIOUS WAR on Western Nations like the U.S.A. Then tell us. After reading everything found on such sites. HOW Terrorists DEFINE this NON-WAR on Religion, and Religious beliefs by those who have sworn to KILL anyone who Disagree's with their Beliefs. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 660] Author : Robert A Whit Date : 10-19-2012 02:32 PM "That" is not a problem. The TRUTH always will remain the truth. While human beings will attempt to create their own forms of truth, call them facts, and believe them...even knowing they are false. And Falsehoods....CAN BE CHANGED to suit anyone while they struggle in their attempts, but fail, to change the Truth. One elementary word yet I find it beng the subject of conversation. Truth is not subjective. I agree entirely with the remark in quotes. False is harder to piin down than truth since FALSE is accepted by many though it is easy to prove it is false. Truth remains. Let me give you an example. Reagan had alzheimers as president. Democrats have told me over and over that is a TRUE statement. So, what has been their proof, what facts used to back up their remarks? I have at no time got proof offered to me. I counter that the FACT is that RR was very carefully examined by his doctor when he was president. He was asked once Reagan stated he had the disease, "Did RR have Alzheimers?" The Dr stated that RR NEVER showed the slightest sign of the disease. Democrats refuse to accept this. They claim the Dr. would not know. My first wife suffers this ailment. The last time I saw her, some 5 years back, I spotted right off that she had memory problems. I did not call it what it later turned out to be, but she had it. Reagan though accused, since Democrats form it as an accusation, announced this many years following the end of his presidency. Another is that Bush WANTED war with Iraq. They never troubled themselves to study the man. They did not pick up on his actions. Let's walk through his actions of that period to see if he acted like a man wanting a war. Saddam had something like a year of notice that Bush would send an invasion force. Sending the force did not mean though that Bush desired them being in combat. Bush did not want those men to be shot at. He crafted a plan to persuade Saddam to bail out. The problem for Bush was the French. They whispered in Saddam's ear that Bush would not invade. That he in short was only bluffing. When Bush sent a force, his idea was that in the face of a super power, Saddam would be a coward and want out of that problem and would vacate his power. The French had money interests in Iraq and did not mind damaging Bush so long as they protected their profits. Now, how can one test this? 1. Read Gen. Tommy Franks book. He commanded both wars. 2. Read Bushs book. 3. Read what Paul Bremer said in his book. 4. Read Rumsfelds book. 5. Read Cheneys book. Surely if I am wrong, one of those authors would tell a different story. It is darned hard for two people to give the same account much less 5 of them. Then you have Gen. Mike DeLongs book that I also read and he confirms this is the accurate story. Yet as I speak truth, based on actual witnesses, Democrats persist in telling the grand lie. Want to read the lie? This is it. They allege that when Bush became potus, he was intending to invade Iraq. What evidence do they have. Not a damned bit. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 661] Author : aboutime Date : 10-19-2012 02:46 PM One elementary word yet I find it beng the subject of conversation. Truth is not subjective. I agree entirely with the remark in quotes. False is harder to piin down than truth since FALSE is accepted by many though it is easy to prove it is false. Truth remains. Let me give you an example. Reagan had alzheimers as president. Democrats have told me over and over that is a TRUE statement. So, what has been their proof, what facts used to back up their remarks? I have at no time got proof offered to me. I counter that the FACT is that RR was very carefully examined by his doctor when he was president. He was asked once Reagan stated he had the disease, "Did RR have Alzheimers?" The Dr stated that RR NEVER showed the slightest sign of the disease. Democrats refuse to accept this. They claim the Dr. would not know. My first wife suffers this ailment. The last time I saw her, some 5 years back, I spotted right off that she had memory problems. I did not call it what it later turned out to be, but she had it. Reagan though accused, since Democrats form it as an accusation, announced this many years following the end of his presidency. Another is that Bush WANTED war with Iraq. They never troubled themselves to study the man. They did not pick up on his actions. Let's walk through his actions of that period to see if he acted like a man wanting a war. Saddam had something like a year of notice that Bush would send an invasion force. Sending the force did not mean though that Bush desired them being in combat. Bush did not want those men to be shot at. He crafted a plan to persuade Saddam to bail out. The problem for Bush was the French. They whispered in Saddam's ear that Bush would not invade. That he in short was only bluffing. When Bush sent a force, his idea was that in the face of a super power, Saddam would be a coward and want out of that problem and would vacate his power. The French had money interests in Iraq and did not mind damaging Bush so long as they protected their profits. Now, how can one test this? 1. Read Gen. Tommy Franks book. He commanded both wars. 2. Read Bushs book. 3. Read what Paul Bremer said in his book. 4. Read Rumsfelds book. 5. Read Cheneys book. Surely if I am wrong, one of those authors would tell a different story. It is darned hard for two people to give the same account much less 5 of them. Then you have Gen. Mike DeLongs book that I also read and he confirms this is the accurate story. Yet as I speak truth, based on actual witnesses, Democrats persist in telling the grand lie. Want to read the lie? This is it. They allege that when Bush became potus, he was intending to invade Iraq. What evidence do they have. Not a damned bit. Robert. Agreed, across the board with you. Sadly for the Liberal, Democrats who swear by their false accusations, better known as lies. They STILL have never succeeded, nor have they been able to CHANGE the TRUTH. They can deny it, and make up other lies to hide from it. But it always remains...THE TRUTH. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 662] Author : Robert A Whit Date : 10-19-2012 02:52 PM Let me try to shed some light on the argument over Muslims. Any movement has within it, some who given the chance, would bolt from that group. When people AGREE with the plans laid out, though they have not yet killed, can any of us afford to indulge them and defend them? Germany had Hitler and his Mein Kampf. His struggle in other words. Muslims have their book too. The Koran. How devoted are they to that book? Tell a Christian you burned his Bible and he says, I turn my cheek and buy another. Tell a Muslim that and he wants you dead. The Koran has in it's covers, the roadmap to how to make the world fall in line and convert or die. It is a diabolical book. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 663] Author : aboutime Date : 10-19-2012 03:10 PM Let me try to shed some light on the argument over Muslims. Any movement has within it, some who given the chance, would bolt from that group. When people AGREE with the plans laid out, though they have not yet killed, can any of us afford to indulge them and defend them? Germany had Hitler and his Mein Kampf. His struggle in other words. Muslims have their book too. The Koran. How devoted are they to that book? Tell a Christian you burned his Bible and he says, I turn my cheek and buy another. Tell a Muslim that and he wants you dead. The Koran has in it's covers, the roadmap to how to make the world fall in line and convert or die. It is a diabolical book. Robert. Once again. I totally agree. It seems you are preaching to the choir here. Those that must disagree, seem unwilling to touch your posts with a Ten Foot Pole. Also. Your words above, and previously. Obviously cause some much anger as well. We know. They feel strongly, and disagree. But, since they have no real, logical arguments to bring here. They just remain quiet, and hope the problem will just fade away like General MacArthur. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 664] Author : Missileman Date : 10-19-2012 03:29 PM Let me try to shed some light on the argument over Muslims. Any movement has within it, some who given the chance, would bolt from that group. When people AGREE with the plans laid out, though they have not yet killed, can any of us afford to indulge them and defend them? Germany had Hitler and his Mein Kampf. His struggle in other words. Muslims have their book too. The Koran. How devoted are they to that book? Tell a Christian you burned his Bible and he says, I turn my cheek and buy another. Tell a Muslim that and he wants you dead. The Koran has in it's covers, the roadmap to how to make the world fall in line and convert or die. It is a diabolical book. Unfortunately, nothing you've listed here has shed any light on what the truth is theologically. It is also unfortunate that we'll likely never have access to that information while alive...it could end a lot of the BS. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 665] Author : Robert A Whit Date : 10-19-2012 03:38 PM Unfortunately, nothing you've listed here has shed any light on what the truth is theologically. It is also unfortunate that we'll likely never have access to that information while alive...it could end a lot of the BS. That is correct. My aim was to try to explain their view rather than explain if some theology is right or wrong. For that, I plan to see what God says. Would any of us join a group that has a book at it's core that visits so much evil on the world as does the Koran? There is some serious murdering going on in the name of that book. I spoke on a thread of knowing Sia who was born and college educated in Iran. For years I knew he was a Muslim. Sia to me seemed harmless enough. One day he tells me he became a Catholic. I am not that dumb. I figured if he was still a Muslim he would out himself by the answer to my one question. Sia, is the Muslim religion a violent religion? With no hesitation, Sia says it is violent. He says that is one core reason he changed to being a Catholic. Tell you this much, I sure hope that one fine day I don't see him in the news after some serious killing. They will lie and I have learned they are told to lie. So, SIA ... DID YOU LIE TO ME MAN? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 666] Author : aboutime Date : 10-19-2012 03:46 PM Unfortunately, nothing you've listed here has shed any light on what the truth is theologically. It is also unfortunate that we'll likely never have access to that information while alive...it could end a lot of the BS. Missileman. What you call BS. Is that just more of the same? How do you know what the truth really is? Who appointed you as the sole authority to make claims NOT EVEN YOU can back up? If none of it is true. As you seem to be saying above. What is it you tell us...we will never know, or have access to while alive? If it doesn't exist. Isn't true. PROVE IT. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 667] Author : Missileman Date : 10-19-2012 04:01 PM That is correct. My aim was to try to explain their view rather than explain if some theology is right or wrong. For that, I plan to see what God says. Would any of us join a group that has a book at it's core that visits so much evil on the world as does the Koran? There is some serious murdering going on in the name of that book. I spoke on a thread of knowing Sia who was born and college educated in Iran. For years I knew he was a Muslim. Sia to me seemed harmless enough. One day he tells me he became a Catholic. I am not that dumb. I figured if he was still a Muslim he would out himself by the answer to my one question. Sia, is the Muslim religion a violent religion? With no hesitation, Sia says it is violent. He says that is one core reason he changed to being a Catholic. Tell you this much, I sure hope that one fine day I don't see him in the news after some serious killing. They will lie and I have learned they are told to lie. So, SIA ... DID YOU LIE TO ME MAN? Our main problem is with Muslims born into the faith, not those who've converted. I don't think a sane, rational person could ignore the track record and accept Islam as the truth without being born and brainwashed into it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 668] Author : Missileman Date : 10-19-2012 04:12 PM Missileman. What you call BS. Is that just more of the same? How do you know what the truth really is? Who appointed you as the sole authority to make claims NOT EVEN YOU can back up? If none of it is true. As you seem to be saying above. What is it you tell us...we will never know, or have access to while alive? If it doesn't exist. Isn't true. PROVE IT. My post is in simple, straight-forward English. If you weren't expending so much effort trying to argue against what I've written(for the sake of arguing against me) you might have enough cerebral capacity left to comprehend what I actually wrote. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 669] Author : Robert A Whit Date : 10-19-2012 04:17 PM Unfortunately, nothing you've listed here has shed any light on what the truth is theologically. It is also unfortunate that we'll likely never have access to that information while alive...it could end a lot of the BS. Our main problem is with Muslims born into the faith, not those who've converted. I don't think a sane, rational person could ignore the track record and accept Islam as the truth without being born and brainwashed into it. Sia was born into the religion and lived in CA with his family. Sia was an interesting guy. Though a Muslim, he sure loved the women. He spent a lot of time discussing with me how he could seduce women. He was fond of going to San Francisco and clubs there looking for some tail. He used to photograph his women and e mail me their photos. Maybe that helped convert him. I dunno. He may have bailed out of CA and moved to Phoenix before the shinola hit the fan. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 670] Author : Missileman Date : 10-19-2012 05:09 PM Sia was born into the religion and lived in CA with his family. Sia was an interesting guy. Though a Muslim, he sure loved the women. He spent a lot of time discussing with me how he could seduce women. He was fond of going to San Francisco and clubs there looking for some tail. He used to photograph his women and e mail me their photos. Maybe that helped convert him. I dunno. He may have bailed out of CA and moved to Phoenix before the shinola hit the fan. Westernization is likely the key to solving them problem. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 671] Author : aboutime Date : 10-19-2012 05:48 PM My post is in simple, straight-forward English. If you weren't expending so much effort trying to argue against what I've written(for the sake of arguing against me) you might have enough cerebral capacity left to comprehend what I actually wrote. Missileman. So, what are you arguing with me about? I asked you simple, straight-forward English questions, and you still didn't answer any of them, and instead. Tried to Impress yourself by tying more than one word together with your own mentally challenged attempts to say something that MIGHT make sense....if you succeed in impressing YOURSELF. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 672] Author : Missileman Date : 10-19-2012 07:13 PM Missileman. So, what are you arguing with me about? I asked you simple, straight-forward English questions, and you still didn't answer any of them, and instead. Tried to Impress yourself by tying more than one word together with your own mentally challenged attempts to say something that MIGHT make sense....if you succeed in impressing YOURSELF. When you ask a question of me that's based on something I've written, and not some figment of your illiteracy, I'll be happy to answer you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 673] Author : aboutime Date : 10-19-2012 07:25 PM When you ask a question of me that's based on something I've written, and not some figment of your illiteracy, I'll be happy to answer you. I'm saddened to see you expose your own illiteracy with more ignorance as a cheap response. But I'll forgive you. You can't help it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 674] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-19-2012 10:00 PM I'm saddened to see you expose your own illiteracy with more ignorance as a cheap response. But I'll forgive you. You can't help it. My friend have you ever seen the little dog on the chain in the front yard behind the fence that barks at every big dog that comes by? Then first time that its taken off the chain it suddenly will not bark at the other big dogs! We have a little dog here yelping and barking...:laugh2:--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 675] Author : aboutime Date : 10-20-2012 01:53 PM My friend have you ever seen the little dog on the chain in the front yard behind the fence that barks at every big dog that comes by? Then first time that its taken off the chain it suddenly will not bark at the other big dogs! We have a little dog here yelping and barking...:laugh2:--Tyr Tyr. Yep. I know what you are talking about. So, we should just throw him a BONE, and forget it happened? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 676] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-20-2012 02:15 PM This thread was dedicated to the topic of taking a stand. To some such a topic likely has little to no meaning but to others it may strike a chord. Its to those readers that I post my words about the great danger Islam and its ultimate goal presents to our nation and its survival! This can not be stressed to much IMHO. To my surprise , my original first post received more condemnation than I had thought possible. This to me clearly points to how far our nation has fallen when many of its citizens are so quick to defend its enemies and abandone the values and priniciples so represented in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Ever quick to try to point to my doing so which I have not done. I have attempted to sound the alarm only to get others to face the threat. I have not called for any illegal, unconstitutional actions to be taken. Nor will I in regards to this matter. For I am a firm believer in the Rule of Law. My critics here are so quick to demand that I give my remedy to this threat even while they declare that there is no threat! I view that as trying to ride the horse after having shot it for being of no use! Yet I have in my own dastardly way, remained true to my principles and the TRUTH. I have been very firm in my stand and in my exspressed desire that holds it is not up to me to solve this problem but rather once known and actually faced its up to our citizenry as a whole. That is in itself a daunting task but the fields were once deep forests of many trees and the first tree had to be removed to make room to grow crops. America sprang from that clearing and industry and progress calls for sacrifice. As so often does survival! I am no stranger to facing hard and intense opposition and here proved to be no exception. I've been listed as a bigot, racist, troublemaker, liar, traitor, terrorist, hatemonger, coward, etc. Yet my only course has been to post link after link of facts and true news about actual deeds of evil carried out by our nation's enemies. Because of that I 've been called such names and made out to be a troublemaker. So be it, Im not complaining here. I am firmly denying the accusations. Knowing that I will be judged by my words , I do not fear the criticisms of others , nor seek to falsely defend my works. I am concious , however , of having once lost my temper thus ill-serving the task I had set for myself. In that time of error,often the most serious topics are the most ridiculed and the most honorable enterprises are viewed with the deepest suspicion. Moreover, the minds of many people are such that they are not disposed to believe anything new and strange and outside their experience unless it is proved by convincing evidence and the testimony of realible men. So, in order to increase confidence in my words and gain a more worthy appreciation for its truth , I have thought it worthwhile to explain briefly my purpose and goals. In this way I trust I may escape the absurd but shameful charges placed against my character by those opponents whose fertile imaginations prove that they are ill-disposed persons that seek to devise rejection of the truth about Islam by attacking the messenger rather than any adequate refutation of the message! In short, I have often waged attacks back upon my accusers rather than pointing out the folly of their false attacks upon my character and then demanding that they disprove the message rather than lie about the messenger..This I shall attempt to remedy. Subject is Islam and its attempt to rule all humans by force . Primarily we are discussing this in regards to its ongoing activities in America with the necessary references to Islam activities around the world. To that end I have posted many links and much information with much more to come. To those opposing I say refute my sources or my facts but knock off the character attacks because Im not the subject . The evidence that I present is either to be refuted, ignored or agreed with , any other response will get a big --:laugh2:-from me. A FITTING RESPONSE TO SUCH BASELESS PERSONAL ATTACKS. As I have not the time to waste on those too damn lazy to post a logical or well reasoned reply..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 677] Author : Missileman Date : 10-20-2012 02:22 PM So, we should just throw him a BONE, and forget it happened? With all the time you two spend stroking each other's egos, that sounds suspiciously like some kinda homo code. I'll pass, thanks. You two can carry on. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 678] Author : Robert A Whit Date : 10-20-2012 02:29 PM Westernization is likely the key to solving them problem. I appraised real estate in the SF Bay Area for years until 1997. In the course of my work, I appraised a lot of homes for Iranians. I had some mortgage people from Iran as customers. Funny how popular you get by being an appraiser of homes. Everybody wanted to be my best friend. Well, that is how I got to know so many of them. I was told by some brothers how they went back to Iran and smuggled in hard liquor in gasoline cans. They sure believe in punishing women who have sex outside of marriage yet they don't mind at all having ses with them. I could not figure that one out. Seems they want it both ways. Sia want back to Iran for a family approved marriage as I recall his story but did not like her at all. And still married her. Then dumped her by abandoning her in Iran and coming back to CA. Funny thing is, my story may get you to think of him as some young guy. Sia was in college and burned American Flags in the street in the Carter presidency era and has to be around 54 by now. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 679] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-20-2012 02:38 PM So the question at hand is whether or not Islam is trying to control humans by force ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 680] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-20-2012 02:48 PM This thread was dedicated to the topic of taking a stand. To some such a topic likely has little to no meaning but to others it may strike a chord. Its to those readers that I post my words about the great danger Islam and its ultimate goal presents to our nation and its survival! This can not be stressed to much IMHO. To my surprise , my original first post received more condemnation than I had thought possible. This to me clearly points to how far our nation has fallen when many of its citizens are so quick to defend its enemies and abandone the values and priniciples so represented in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Ever quick to try to point to my doing so which I have not done. I have attempted to sound the alarm only to get others to face the threat. I have not called for any illegal, unconstitutional actions to be taken. Nor will I in regards to this matter. For I am a firm believer in the Rule of Law. My critics here are so quick to demand that I give my remedy to this threat even while they declare that there is no threat! I view that as trying to ride the horse after having shot it for being of no use! Yet I have in my own dastardly way, remained true to my principles and the TRUTH. I have been very firm in my stand and in my exspressed desire that holds it is not up to me to solve this problem but rather once known and actually faced its up to our citizenry as a whole. That is in itself a daunting task but the fields were once deep forests of many trees and the first tree had to be removed to make room to grow crops. America sprang from that clearing and industry and progress calls for sacrifice. As so often does survival! I am no stranger to facing hard and intense opposition and here proved to be no exception. I've been listed as a bigot, racist, troublemaker, liar, traitor, terrorist, hatemonger, coward, etc. Yet my only course has been to post link after link of facts and true news about actual deeds of evil carried out by our nation's enemies. Because of that I 've been called such names and made out to be a troublemaker. So be it, Im not complaining here. I am firmly denying the accusations. Knowing that I will be judged by my words , I do not fear the criticisms of others , nor seek to falsely defend my works. I am concious , however , of having once lost my temper thus ill-serving the task I had set for myself. In that time of error,often the most serious topics are the most ridiculed and the most honorable enterprises are viewed with the deepest suspicion. Moreover, the minds of many people are such that they are not disposed to believe anything new and strange and outside their experience unless it is proved by convincing evidence and the testimony of realible men. So, in order to increase confidence in my words and gain a more worthy appreciation for its truth , I have thought it worthwhile to explain briefly my purpose and goals. In this way I trust I may escape the absurd but shameful charges placed against my character by those opponents whose fertile imaginations prove that they are ill-disposed persons that seek to devise rejection of the truth about Islam by attacking the messenger rather than any adequate refutation of the message! In short, I have often waged attacks back upon my accusers rather than pointing out the folly of their false attacks upon my character and then demanding that they disprove the message rather than lie about the messenger..This I shall attempt to remedy. Subject is Islam and its attempt to rule all humans by force . Primarily we are discussing this in regards to its ongoing activities in America with the necessary references to Islam activities around the world. To that end I have posted many links and much information with much more to come. To those opposing I say refute my sources or my facts but knock off the character attacks because Im not the subject . The evidence that I present is either to be refuted, ignored or agreed with , any other response will get a big --:laugh2:-from me. A FITTING RESPONSE TO SUCH BASELESS PERSONAL ATTACKS. As I have not the time to waste on those too damn lazy to post a logical or well reasoned reply..-Tyr Yes, yes, you're oppressed, what specific actions are you suggesting? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 681] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-20-2012 03:30 PM http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/07/obamas-.html The following is based on a May 22, 1991 document discovered by the FBI. Understanding the Role of the Muslim Brotherhood in North AmericaThe process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" and all the word means. The Ikhwan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikhwan)[Arabic for brothers] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad to eliminate and destroy the Western civilization from within, and sabotage its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers, so that it is eliminated, and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to the challenge and have not yet prepared ourselves for Jihad. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal. [from Section Four: The Process of Settlement (http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=387&link=625) ] Top U.S. Islamic Group Calls for ‘Gun Control’ Patrick Poole, (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/07/23/top-u-s-islamic-group-calls-for-gun-control/) July 24, 2012 Fresh off of handing a “diversity” award (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/07/05/obamas-shariah-czar-mohamed-magid-hands-diversity-award-to-jew-hater-dawud-walid/) to outspoken Jew-hater DawudWalid, the Islamic Society of North America (http://www.isna.net/Home.aspx) (ISNA) is moving on to a new outrage by launching an attack on the U.S. Constitution. The current issue of ISNA’s bi-monthly magazine Islamic Horizons carries an article about ISNA’s demand for gun control. Specifically, the article, with the unambiguous title “ISNA Seeks Gun Control,” cites the shooting of Trayvon Martin to explain their opposition to S. 2188 (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s2188/show), the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012,” and S. 2213 (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s2213/show), the “Respecting States’ Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012.” ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Just more proof that we must be ever vigilant. That we must wake up our fellow citizens! The Islamists are actively pursuing their agenda, why arent we countering?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 682] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-20-2012 04:06 PM ... what specific actions are you suggesting? Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ? How about American Muslims ? What's the plan with them ? My mistake if an answer to these questions were answered amidst the rantings and chest thumpings. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 683] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-20-2012 04:59 PM My mistake if an answer to these questions were answered amidst the rantings and chest thumpings. 1. How about first we as a nation admit the problem!!??? 2. Then we as a nation, the government , form a plan to stop Islams goal of destroying us. How about you guys that are all for ignoring or denying the problem present your case instead of asking question after question? Doing so in an attempt to find something else to ridicule, deny or just generally piss and moan about. Either agree, refute my linked facts or ignore but this sideshow type stuff isnt cutting it. Give your own suggestions regardless of whether they agree or not. Demanding that I give a specific plan is silly. I've given a general plan several times in my replies here. Im not president or dictator so why expect me to have the solution? Its a very complex problem of how to limit Islam within the context of not denying them their religious freedom! We have to stay within the Constitution rights they have but also stop the planned subversion and violence that will surely come. Why expect me to give a solution to a problem you guys have so far denied exists!!??-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 684] Author : tailfins Date : 10-20-2012 05:06 PM 1. How about first we as a nation admit the problem!!??? 2. Then we as a nation, the government , form a plan to stop Islams goal of destroying us. How about you guys that are all for ignoring or denying the problem present your case instead of asking question after question? Doing so in an attempt to find something else to ridicule, deny or just generally piss and moan about. Either agree, refute my linked facts or ignore but this sideshow type stuff isnt cutting it. Give your own suggestions regardless of whether they agree or not. Demanding that I give a specific plan is silly. I've given a general plan several times in my replies here. Im not president or dictator so why expect me to have the solution? Its a very complex problem of how to limit Islam within the context of not denying them their religious freedom! We have to stay within the Constitution rights they have but also stop the planned subversion and violence that will surely come. Why expect me to give a solution to a problem you guys have so far denied exists!!??-Tyr I never denied a problem exists. I ask for a solution because uncontrolled hatred can result in stupid responses. Arson, discrimination and harassment of US citizens that happen to be Muslim come to mind. I'm all for a well thought out plan using the world's best experts on the subject matter with Benjamin Netanyahu topping that list. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 685] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-20-2012 05:26 PM I never denied a problem exists. I ask for a solution because uncontrolled hatred can result in stupid responses. Arson, discrimination and harassment of US citizens that happen to be Muslim come to mind. I'm all for a well thought out plan using the world's best experts on the subject matter with Benjamin Netanyahu topping that list. Finally , one that agrees the problem is real! -:clap: Although not sure why Bibi should be involved in America's course of action. What do you propose that Bibi could offer us? As we have a strong Constitution /Bill of Rights that Bibi doesnt have to deal with in Israel. No doubt that he has knowledge but what of it could we use and it not Unconstitutional?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 686] Author : tailfins Date : 10-20-2012 05:32 PM Finally , one that agrees the problem is real! -:clap: Although not sure why Bibi should be involved in America's course of action. What do you propose that Bibi could offer us? As we have a strong Constitution /Bill of Rights that Bibi doesnt have to deal with in Israel. No doubt that he has knowledge but what of it could we use and it not Unconstitutional?-Tyr Being that Bibi is US educated, I'm confident he has a solid understanding of the US Constitution. What worries me is uneducated idiots committing criminal acts. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 687] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-20-2012 05:41 PM Being that Bibi is US educated, I'm confident he has a solid understanding of the US Constitution. What worries me is uneducated idiots committing criminal acts. The criminal acts should all be prosecuted. For they hamper addressing the problem in a just and accurate manner. My suggestion is that first step is to form a plan on how to insure that Sharia law can never be a part of our Judicial system. By doing that we have solved already a very large part of the problem. Its a very good start IMHO.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 688] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-20-2012 06:05 PM That's a great start--I suggest you go with it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 689] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-20-2012 07:04 PM That's a great start--I suggest you go with it. Thank you, your approval ,means so very much. Now that I have it. I'll proceed fullspeed ahead!;) Be looking for a "binder" complete with my finished plan soon. Color illustrations and all. :laugh2: :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 690] Author : mundame Date : 10-20-2012 09:34 PM So the question at hand is whether or not Islam is trying to control humans by force ? Surely there is no question about that? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 691] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-20-2012 10:05 PM Surely there is no question about that? are they attacking you too ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 692] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-20-2012 10:37 PM 1. How about first we as a nation admit the problem!!??? 2. Then we as a nation, the government , form a plan to stop Islams goal of destroying us. 1. That there is terrorism? Sure, it's a problem. 2. I thought that was part of your "stand." How about you guys that are all for ignoring or denying the problem present your case instead of asking question after question? Doing so in an attempt to find something else to ridicule, deny or just generally piss and moan about. Either agree, refute my linked facts or ignore but this sideshow type stuff isnt cutting it. What case should we be presenting? Your the one taking the stand. I'm also not sure what "facts" we should be refuting or that we are ignoring; you post links to terrorism and bad people doing bad things. Very little to disagree with there. Give your own suggestions regardless of whether they agree or not. Demanding that I give a specific plan is silly. I've given a general plan several times in my replies here. Im not president or dictator so why expect me to have the solution? Its a very complex problem of how to limit Islam within the context of not denying them their religious freedom! We have to stay within the Constitution rights they have but also stop the planned subversion and violence that will surely come. Why expect me to give a solution to a problem you guys have so far denied exists!!??-Tyr Please, reiterate that general plan. The criminal acts should all be prosecuted. For they hamper addressing the problem in a just and accurate manner. My suggestion is that first step is to form a plan on how to insure that Sharia law can never be a part of our Judicial system. By doing that we have solved already a very large part of the problem. Its a very good start IMHO.-Tyr Prosecuting criminal acts? Sure, full agreement. A plan to stop Sharia? Sure, the Constitution is supreme, full agreement. I'm not sure however that "solving" that particular problem that doesn't even really exist is a very good start. I'd say before we worry about that we need to free ourselves from the oppressive British rule. Huzzah, we're free! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 693] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-21-2012 10:58 AM I never denied a problem exists. I ask for a solution because uncontrolled hatred can result in stupid responses. Arson, discrimination and harassment of US citizens that happen to be Muslim come to mind. I'm all for a well thought out plan using the world's best experts on the subject matter with Benjamin Netanyahu topping that list. I'm curious- Let's say you post this: "Poverty is a very bad thing. We need to be aware of it creeping up on us. It's a real threat to our country". Which response of mine would you think the better of the two: 1. You're right, poverty is bad for us and growing, and we should do all we can to minimize it's effects. OR 2. You're crazy; poverty isn't that bad. It's a minor problem at best. Prove it's bad. Oh, and even though it isn't a problem, your warning us about it is ridiculous- just tell us in detail how you would solve it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 694] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-21-2012 11:05 AM 1. That there is terrorism? Sure, it's a problem. 2. I thought that was part of your "stand." What case should we be presenting? Your the one taking the stand. I'm also not sure what "facts" we should be refuting or that we are ignoring; you post links to terrorism and bad people doing bad things. Very little to disagree with there. Please, reiterate that general plan. Prosecuting criminal acts? Sure, full agreement. A plan to stop Sharia? Sure, the Constitution is supreme, full agreement. I'm not sure however that "solving" that particular problem that doesn't even really exist is a very good start. I'd say before we worry about that we need to free ourselves from the oppressive British rule. Huzzah, we're free! Yes, yes, you're oppressed, what specific actions are you suggesting? :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 695] Author : Missileman Date : 10-21-2012 11:13 AM I'm curious- Let's say you post this: "Poverty is a very bad thing. We need to be aware of it creeping up on us. It's a real threat to our country". Which response of mine would you think the better of the two: 1. You're right, poverty is bad for us and growing, and we should do all we can to minimize it's effects. OR 2. You're crazy; poverty isn't that bad. It's a minor problem at best. Prove it's bad. Oh, and even though it isn't a problem, your warning us about it is ridiculous- just tell us in detail how you would solve it. You think that's an accurate assessment of the argument? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 696] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-21-2012 11:24 AM I'm curious- Let's say you post this: "Poverty is a very bad thing. We need to be aware of it creeping up on us. It's a real threat to our country". Which response of mine would you think the better of the two: 1. You're right, poverty is bad for us and growing, and we should do all we can to minimize it's effects. OR 2. You're crazy; poverty isn't that bad. It's a minor problem at best. Prove it's bad. Oh, and even though it isn't a problem, your warning us about it is ridiculous- just tell us in detail how you would solve it. Exactly right you are and that is what I meant when I stated they shoot the horse then try to ride it too. Nothing slow about these critics, they criticise it as poppycock= not a real problem, then they demand specific plans to address the "not a real problem" . I've given a general plan that starts with insuring that Sharia Law is never allowed a foothold here in our Justice system yet thats not good enough for these o' so fair critics. Snide remarks and potshots is about all they seek to fire now. Anything to get away from and ignore the evidence ,documented, linked and presented so far. As I could flood this thread with verified information of the murdering carnage wrecked upon on innocent people (women and children included) by the Islamists just from one of the many sites that are dedicated to preserving evidence of this great atrocity visited upon the entire world by Islam. That your number 2 is chosen so often by some few here clearly reveals their weakness, their failure and their deliberate plan of deception ,spin and false approval to set supposed traps.. The truth isnt enough they demand more. Alas, such demands that ignore the truth already given only seek more facts in which to poo-poo and ridicule IMHO.. They want to disagree without presenting any counterpoints or refuting the facts already provided in the links-This thread is about warning those that do not know , have never considered, and many that have been led to believe that its not a problem. This great site has many readers that do not join to post but they read here. I post for them to read and consider too. Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 697] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-21-2012 11:31 AM You think that's an accurate assessment of the argument? I can't say for sure as I have not had the desire nor the time to read every lenghty post, but overall, I think it is the gist of it. I was struck mostly by the dual responses of "It's not a real problem" and "How would you fix it?". I could be wrong- what do you think is an accurate (objective) assessment? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 698] Author : Missileman Date : 10-21-2012 11:57 AM I can't say for sure as I have not had the desire nor the time to read every lenghty post, but overall, I think it is the gist of it. I was struck mostly by the dual responses of "It's not a real problem" and "How would you fix it?". I could be wrong- what do you think is an accurate (objective) assessment? It's been more like: "Poverty is bad. All poor people suck. Poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Poor people need to be stopped." Some have argued that while poverty is bad, not all poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Others have asked, "How would you stop poor people?". The replies have been mostly a repetition of "Poverty is bad. All poor people suck. Poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Poor people need to be stopped." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 699] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-21-2012 12:01 PM It's been more like: "Poverty is bad. All poor people suck. Poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Poor people need to be stopped." Some have argued that while poverty is bad, not all poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Others have asked, "How would you stop poor people?". The replies have been mostly a repetition of "Poverty is bad. All poor people suck. Poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Poor people need to be stopped." :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 700] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-21-2012 12:17 PM The argument is whether the entire religion of Islam is the problem OR is it just certain sects, behaviors, imams or individual muslims. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 701] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-21-2012 12:25 PM http://oneway2day.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/bho-strait-jacket-insane_thumb.jpg?w=263&h=344 I've taken the liberty of finding a more appropriate emoticon. You're welcome. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 702] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-21-2012 12:42 PM Time for some more truth and information to consider.-Tyr http://brie-hoffman.hubpages.com/hub/Muslim-World-how-muslims-will-take-over-the-world-via-population-growth Muslim World: how Muslims will take over the world via population growth http://s2.hubimg.com/u/3236089_f260.jpg In case you didn't know Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in the entire world. Some statisticians have said that for every 1 non-Muslim child born there are 8 Muslim children born in the world and that number is conservative. Others say that the rate is more like 3 to 1. Regardless of the number, think about that. The Muslims don't have to do anything, they will rule the world by virtue of their numbers. According to America Speaks Inc.com the birth rate a society needs to break even and not start to disappear is 2.1 babies per woman. Anything less than that, the culture disappears in a matter of three generations or more. The math can’t be argued. No culture has ever survived once it reached the breaking point 1.3 babies per woman. The United States birth rate is 2.1. Canada, New Zealand, Germany, Russia, Spain and Italy are all between 1 and 2 percent. Now let’s take a look at some Muslims countries, Afghanistan is 47.02 per 1000 people, Albania 15.08 per 1000 people, Niger 7.46, Mali 7.42, Somalia 6.76, Afghanistan 6.69,Yemen 6.58. I think you can start to get the idea here. Muslim populations are filling up the birth shortfalls all throughout Europe and have already started taking over the European culture. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- War is about attrition. The baby war they win because we seek to limit our family size, they do not. More babies with them equals more warriors for Allah. America had better wake up to this truly dangerous fact! They can win by numbers or even win by our appeasement and surrender by way of political concessions but win they plan on . And that winning will include the murder of ALL THAT RESIST!-TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 703] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-21-2012 12:58 PM Time for some more truth and information to consider. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- War is about attrition. The baby war they win because we seek to limit our family size, they do not. Birth rates typically correlate to levels of development. Higher developed economies have smaller families where those from poor countries will have more kids. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 704] Author : Drummond Date : 10-21-2012 02:09 PM The argument is whether the entire religion of Islam is the problem OR is it just certain sects, behaviors, imams or individual muslims. Well, put it this way. Considering how many countries where Islam is dominant then behave in savage ways .. whether this ranges from the effects of the application of Sharia Law, to intolerance to anyone daring not to be Islamic, to sponsoring terrorism, or even (e.g courtesy of an outfit like Hamas) committing their territory to the exporting of terrorism ... how big a problem do YOU think it is ?? Try asking Israelis that question, Dilloduck, and see what you're told. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 705] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-21-2012 02:14 PM It's been more like: "Poverty is bad. All poor people suck. Poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Poor people need to be stopped." Some have argued that while poverty is bad, not all poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Others have asked, "How would you stop poor people?". The replies have been mostly a repetition of "Poverty is bad. All poor people suck. Poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Poor people need to be stopped." No, its been more like shining the light of truth onto a "socalled religion" that is a quasi political/militant/religious movement. Found this on another thread but its brilliant and accurately applies to why we must as a nation take a strong stand.-Tyr http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37399-Jaffa-The-Orange-s-Clockwork/page2 http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/icons/icon1.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Dilloduck http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=586479#post586479) Deal in secretive ways. Countries spy on each other all the time and engage in propaganda, black ops and disinformation. .. Originally Posted by Drummonds OK. I note your description of what you've had in mind. So, Dilloduck, you had this in mind to compare against Islam's own capacity for deceptiveness - surely meaning (and if not, why think of drawing the parallel ?) that your description is an equivalent. Now, tell me why Islam would need to act in accordance with the thinking and the methodology YOU describe. Islam SPIES ? Islam engages in PROPAGANDA ? Islam ever considers 'black ops' and 'disinformation' ? However much (or however little) - in order to want to now wriggle OUT of that comparison - you might now be tempted to say the comparison YOU've drawn doesn't apply ... what you are REALLY describing is a power, or force, acting as a nation would. With competing nations, armed, potentially hostile, playing political games, much of it concerned with dodgy dealing, misdirection, hostile gamesmanship, some of it at least intended to do great harm. BUT, it's a curious way for A RELIGION to behave, or think, now isn't it ? I see but only one way of viewing a religion that would happily use such methods .. one thinking it appropriate. Such a religion must want to compete for dominance. To drive ahead, by fair means OR FOUL, AND NOT CARING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE, can only mean that the chief driving force is dominance and conquest. And, if - as MUST BE THE CASE - MORALITY ISN'T A CONSTRAINING FACTOR, then that makes it a religion capable of ANYTHING. This is exactly what we see, though, isn't it ? A religion spawning terrorism, where its followers exult in the harm done in the name of that religion. And this, folks, is all a very far cry from any 'religion of peace' that Islam advertises itself as being. Still ... 'propaganda', 'disinformation' ... you said it yourself, Dilloduck. Each accounts for the fiction of 'peacefulness'. The reality is something we periodically suffer, at the hands of conquest-driven savages. Dilloduck, I thank you for your insight. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 706] Author : Robert A Whit Date : 10-21-2012 02:48 PM This thread was dedicated to the topic of taking a stand. To some such a topic likely has little to no meaning but to others it may strike a chord. Its to those readers that I post my words about the great danger Islam and its ultimate goal presents to our nation and its survival! This can not be stressed to much IMHO. To my surprise , my original first post received more condemnation than I had thought possible. This to me clearly points to how far our nation has fallen when many of its citizens are so quick to defend its enemies and abandone the values and priniciples so represented in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Ever quick to try to point to my doing so which I have not done. I have attempted to sound the alarm only to get others to face the threat. I have not called for any illegal, unconstitutional actions to be taken. Nor will I in regards to this matter. For I am a firm believer in the Rule of Law. My critics here are so quick to demand that I give my remedy to this threat even while they declare that there is no threat! I view that as trying to ride the horse after having shot it for being of no use! Yet I have in my own dastardly way, remained true to my principles and the TRUTH. I have been very firm in my stand and in my exspressed desire that holds it is not up to me to solve this problem but rather once known and actually faced its up to our citizenry as a whole. That is in itself a daunting task but the fields were once deep forests of many trees and the first tree had to be removed to make room to grow crops. America sprang from that clearing and industry and progress calls for sacrifice. As so often does survival! I am no stranger to facing hard and intense opposition and here proved to be no exception. I've been listed as a bigot, racist, troublemaker, liar, traitor, terrorist, hatemonger, coward, etc. Yet my only course has been to post link after link of facts and true news about actual deeds of evil carried out by our nation's enemies. Because of that I 've been called such names and made out to be a troublemaker. So be it, Im not complaining here. I am firmly denying the accusations. Knowing that I will be judged by my words , I do not fear the criticisms of others , nor seek to falsely defend my works. I am concious , however , of having once lost my temper thus ill-serving the task I had set for myself. In that time of error,often the most serious topics are the most ridiculed and the most honorable enterprises are viewed with the deepest suspicion. Moreover, the minds of many people are such that they are not disposed to believe anything new and strange and outside their experience unless it is proved by convincing evidence and the testimony of realible men. So, in order to increase confidence in my words and gain a more worthy appreciation for its truth , I have thought it worthwhile to explain briefly my purpose and goals. In this way I trust I may escape the absurd but shameful charges placed against my character by those opponents whose fertile imaginations prove that they are ill-disposed persons that seek to devise rejection of the truth about Islam by attacking the messenger rather than any adequate refutation of the message! In short, I have often waged attacks back upon my accusers rather than pointing out the folly of their false attacks upon my character and then demanding that they disprove the message rather than lie about the messenger..This I shall attempt to remedy. Subject is Islam and its attempt to rule all humans by force . Primarily we are discussing this in regards to its ongoing activities in America with the necessary references to Islam activities around the world. To that end I have posted many links and much information with much more to come. To those opposing I say refute my sources or my facts but knock off the character attacks because Im not the subject . The evidence that I present is either to be refuted, ignored or agreed with , any other response will get a big --:laugh2:-from me. A FITTING RESPONSE TO SUCH BASELESS PERSONAL ATTACKS. As I have not the time to waste on those too damn lazy to post a logical or well reasoned reply..-Tyr At the moment, and I emphasize the word MOMENT, I don't FEAR Muslims in the USA. I don't fear the people, and if anything I do fear their dogma contained within their religion. Now, we know that everywhere, the birth rate of Muslims remain very high. If Muslims in the USA can manage to ignore the Koran and the Muslim leaders that call for the extermination, enslavement or banishment of the rest of us, let them tell us NOW. Will they lie? I understand that the Koran encourages them to lie to us. I am pleased that I have weapons to defend myself. I can't count on the cops to be here all 24 hours to save me from attacks. I encourage TYR and the rest of you to make sure you are armed. Also make sure you are trained in the case you need to shoot humans. Shooting animals is difficult enough, but the shooting of other humans is especially hard. This country trained me to kill humans. Of course you must also be careful that you only do so when you are actually under attack. Don't go around looking for trouible. Don't be like the guy that shot that black boy in Florida. Even though the non black most likely will not be found guilty, don't think you are Wyatt Earp. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 707] Author : Robert A Whit Date : 10-21-2012 03:09 PM It's been more like: "Poverty is bad. All poor people suck. Poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Poor people need to be stopped." Some have argued that while poverty is bad, not all poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Others have asked, "How would you stop poor people?". The replies have been mostly a repetition of "Poverty is bad. All poor people suck. Poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Poor people need to be stopped." Are poor people using explosives, even on their person to kill people? Do poor people have a book they follow that calls for the elimination of the rich? Wait, that is the Democratic party dogma. Forget it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 708] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-21-2012 03:44 PM It's been more like: "Poverty is bad. All poor people suck. Poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Poor people need to be stopped." Some have argued that while poverty is bad, not all poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Others have asked, "How would you stop poor people?". The replies have been mostly a repetition of "Poverty is bad. All poor people suck. Poor people are trying to destroy our economy. Poor people need to be stopped." Here's the correct analogy: Poverty = Islam Poor people=Arab people. Folks appear to be saying the spread of tenets of Islam, Shari'a, etc., are the cause of the threat. Not the people on their own. I would assume that the OP wouldn't have a problem with non-Muslim Arabs or Indonesians, etc., coming here, and being vocal. It's not poor people that are the problem but the poverty that runs their lives. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 709] Author : Missileman Date : 10-21-2012 04:02 PM Here's the correct analogy: Poverty = Islam Poor people=Arab people. Folks appear to be saying the spread of tenets of Islam, Shari'a, etc., are the cause of the threat. Not the people on their own. I would assume that the OP wouldn't have a problem with non-Muslim Arabs or Indonesians, etc., coming here, and being vocal. It's not poor people that are the problem but the poverty that runs their lives. We make a big mistake letting muslims come in here on student visas. They are at war with us and everyone of them is a potential fighter for Jihad.-Tyr I stand by my interpretation of the thread! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 710] Author : Robert A Whit Date : 10-21-2012 04:09 PM Here's the correct analogy: Poverty = Islam Poor people=Arab people. Folks appear to be saying the spread of tenets of Islam, Shari'a, etc., are the cause of the threat. Not the people on their own. I would assume that the OP wouldn't have a problem with non-Muslim Arabs or Indonesians, etc., coming here, and being vocal. It's not poor people that are the problem but the poverty that runs their lives. That looks about right. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 711] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-21-2012 06:23 PM Are all poor people muslims ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 712] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-21-2012 06:55 PM Here's the correct analogy: Poverty = Islam Poor people=Arab people. Folks appear to be saying the spread of tenets of Islam, Shari'a, etc., are the cause of the threat. Not the people on their own. I would assume that the OP wouldn't have a problem with non-Muslim Arabs or Indonesians, etc., coming here, and being vocal. It's not poor people that are the problem but the poverty that runs their lives. Exactly so. Islam had its days of glory from Conquests. Conquests in which it raped ,pillaged and burned taking the wealth from millions of its victims! Back then its militant arm reigned supreme and many tens of millions perished! The true history of Islam should be required reading in our schools but CAIR and other Islam propaganda entities will never allow that. What does that say when the truth about its origins and history are never allowed by an entity? Islam ia a bit over 1400 years old and its glory days were those of its murdering spread, days its supporters poinmt to as its greatness! While they ignore that greatness was the product gained by the looting deaths of millions and their lives ,properties and inventions stolen to serve Islam! Islam now seeks to start and spread that reign of terror yet again. Fact.. The absolute demand that they be allowed to get nukes points to that fact IMHO. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 713] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-21-2012 07:13 PM I've taken the liberty of finding a more appropriate emoticon. You're welcome. :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 714] Author : aboutime Date : 10-21-2012 09:10 PM Are all poor people muslims ? Why don't you tell us the answer to that question Dilloduck? First. Are you a Muslim? And, why would you ask such a question, despite how poor you are. Educationally. Then show us a reason why you would suggest such an idea, other than to make some lame point? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 715] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-21-2012 10:31 PM A most interesting thread ! Thanks to Tyr for it .. I've just now read it in greater detail. From my own experience in the UK, it seems perfectly obvious that Islamists have three distinct ways of operating in order to achieve a form of dominance in a Society. The first is through terrorism .. and not much needs to be said on that score. 9/11, the UK's '7/7' attack in London, the attack at the Atosha station in Spain .. and many more attacks besides, in various parts of the world. Through murder and mayhem, they hope that through acts of terrorism, the will to fight back can be sapped .. and, I'm sorry to say, this sometimes is successful. The second, pivotal, means (aided and abetted by the Left) is through social incursion. Immigrants arrive, equipped with their cultural and religious identities, they take root in specific areas, form their own communities, all of which pushes out what was in the area they occupy beforehand. Demands are made, all of which serve the requirements of the invading Islamic culture and traditions. Integration is a non-starter ... always, those communities expect OTHERS to bend to THEM. The third is through exploitation of indigenous freedoms. Demands are made to insist that concession after concession is made to them. Pressure groups form, and always citing either the race card, or the 'bigotry' card, they insist that anyone opposing them must be doing so through unacceptably antisocial means. This is particularly where the Left comes in ... Left-wingers insist that to speak out against them is evidence of racism or bigotry, and pressure groups invariably win out. Laws are passed, such as 'hatespeech' legislation, making strong criticism actionable in law. But more, the indigenous population becomes conditioned to revile anyone not conforming to these socially-conditioned imperatives. Terrorism is a very 'blunt instrument' for Muslims to use ... though also a much-favoured one, as we've all seen. Social incursion is less blunt, dealing in large measure with a form of physical invasion. Areas are occupied and, in essence, 'terraformed' to become Muslim in 'nature'. Exploitative incursion is the most insidious. Through it, social conditioning is brought to bear, aided, as I've said, by the Left. People are pressured into believing that just THINKING of forms of opposition is wrong .. bigoted, racist, intolerant generally. So, belief-systems grow which always, but ALWAYS, lead to an ongoing process of evolving deference .. to Islam and to those practising it. Folks, understand .. I am not theorising, just describing an ongoing reality in my own society !! Common throughout all of this is the sheer invasiveness of Islam. Islam, in my experience, has no interest in compromise that doesn't end up in achieving considerable advantage to ITS purposes, and more often than not compromise isn't even a factor AT ALL. No, Islam spreads and dominates .. and that's the point of Islam in a nutshell .. one of DOMINION. Now .. how is that remotely compatible with the preservation of freedoms ? Answer .. IT ISN'T, not if those 'freedoms' are freedoms to defy Islam. The conflict of Sharia with Western values is a case in point. In the UK, as a guiding legal principle, UK law should always prevail. If a Sharia directive can be arrived at and no UK law is broken, then 'fair enough' in our system ... BUT ... legally, no Sharia law 'court' can set itself up in defiance against UK law. Sounds fine, doesn't it ... BUT for the process I've described already. Our laws are the product of values reflected by the population, HOWEVER, if those values change, then we can expect our laws to reflect that. Hatespeech legislation is a case in point. So .. if our values bend over time, if in the name of 'tolerance' we find we 'want' to accept other values and defer to them (led by the nose into this by Lefties ..) .. then the law, in the fullness of time, can undergo a form of erosion, where other laws supersede them. As a consequence of ALL this, it's evident that we've been seen in the UK to be fair game for incursion. We get remarkably little incidence of terrorism here, I think because the 'sneakier' methods work here so very well !! So, goodbye churches, and hello, monolithic Mosque structures. And be careful what you say !!!! But, America has an advantage we fail to have. You have a Constitution which can act as a barrier to certain incursions, it seems to me. So, the question for me is, just how bulletproof does this make America by comparison ? I've heard that Obama is known for acting unconstitutionally when it suits him to .. surely a dangerous precedent. Should your society allow it ? Does Obama cite reasonings to justify himself, reasonings which persuade others to adopt societal values which can 'catch on' and seem reasonable ? Folks, I'm somewhat out of my depth in trying to judge this either way, but what I'm saying is, IF this is happening, the dangers inherent in that process are grave. So, surely, Americans must be prepared to fight if needs be, for what is theirs by right .. by birthright. Tyr's spirit is commendable, but perhaps more importantly, is INSIGHTFUL ... because you ARE in a war against those utterly determined to overthrow your values. They'll use whatever methodology works, be it the gun or bomb, acts of savagery, or of deployed propaganda crafted to fight your very thought processes and change them to THEIR preferences. Therein, if they succeed, lies the road to the death of freedom. DO YOU WANT THAT ? YES OR NO ? Because if 'no', then my suggestion is that you take the utmost notice of what Tyr had to tell you. And .. if that isn't enough for you, then cast your eyes and ears eastwards, to learn what's happening on my side of the Pond. To see what COULD happen .. if you allow it to. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for such an insightful post my friend. My reply to it is late but better late than never. You gave great advice and your suggestion to look to what has happened and is happening to Britain should be taken by one and all. For it is a forerunner of much of what the political arm of Islam will attempt here with the distinction that they must navigate against and around our Constitution! Sharia law is being promoted here as an alternative by Islamists and that simply can not be allowed. For it is a major undermining of our Constitution and would be a major division in our society. We have one Justice system, we need no second choice. Certainly not a second choiced that promotes a religion that has zero tolerance for freedom. I take my stand because its also America's stand! I am just honest about what so many want to ignore or hide or even stupidly defend. Such critics are not friends to America for by not actively standing against Islam and its goal to destroy us, force us to submit to Islam , they are actually helping it and some even openly deliberately doing so. Such ignorance is no excuse but it is a reality . The attacks I've had launched against me here for daring to speak the truth about Islam point clearly to the fear and propaganda Islam has carried out for many decades here and its had its effects. Many reject my stand because they are simply afraid of Islam, yes cowards! In fact, often those are the most dedicated opponents to the TRUTH being presented about Islam's great threat! I may pity such cowards but I do not tolerate or forgive them. Forgiveness will be for God to do , not me. I follow a hard line that a vow I made on 9/11 demands. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 716] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 08:17 AM I stand by my interpretation of the thread! What interpretation? Care to defend Islam? Go for it ....:laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 717] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-22-2012 09:06 AM Why don't you tell us the answer to that question Dilloduck? First. Are you a Muslim? And, why would you ask such a question, despite how poor you are. Educationally. Then show us a reason why you would suggest such an idea, other than to make some lame point? Because a post in this thread clearly stated Poverty = Islam. It's really simple to understand. I was thinking--hey--there are a lot of muslims that are rich as hell so poverty can't really be Islam. I'm going to pass on the religious question until you can learn how to politely address me instead of constantly insinuating that I'm stooooopid. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 718] Author : aboutime Date : 10-22-2012 09:15 AM Because a post in this thread clearly stated Poverty = Islam. It's really simple to understand. I was thinking--hey--there are a lot of muslims that are rich as hell so poverty can't really be Islam. I'm going to pass on the religious question until you can learn how to politely address me instead of constantly insinuating that I'm stooooopid. Correction Dilloduck. It WASN'T an Insinuation. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 719] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-22-2012 09:17 AM Correction Dilloduck. It WASN'T an Insinuation. whatever you say -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 720] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 09:52 AM Because a post in this thread clearly stated Poverty = Islam. It's really simple to understand. I was thinking--hey--there are a lot of muslims that are rich as hell so poverty can't really be Islam. I'm going to pass on the religious question until you can learn how to politely address me instead of constantly insinuating that I'm stooooopid. Little johnny was a very stooooopid boy because little johnny said very stoooopid things Little johnny thought it stooopid to call him stoooopid because little johnny knew that he knew everything.-:laugh2: Myself, I think you are just the kind of guy that doesnt know that he doesnt know what he doesnt know..:laugh: Doesnt that make sense to you?;) I mean at least I've been dedicated and spent over a decade studying about Islam. Whats your qualifications to speak so boldly on the subject?--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 721] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-22-2012 09:57 AM Little johnny was a very stooooopid boy because little johnny said very stoooopid things Little johnny thought it stooopid to call him stoooopid because little johnny knew that he knew everything.-:laugh2: Myself, I think you are just the kind of guy that doesnt know that he doesnt know what he doesnt know..:laugh: Doesnt that make sense to you?;) I mean at least I've been dedicated and spent over a decade studying about Islam. Whats your qualifications to speak so boldly on the subject?--Tyr all muslims are poor ? Are you sure ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 722] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 10:05 AM all muslims are poor ? Are you sure ? Methinks you are missing what they were saying. It was not literal. All true muslims are deluded. All true muslims are slaves to Allah. Islam commands Jihad to defend Islam therefore ALL true muslims are potential terrorists. All true muslims believe that infidels are to be subjugated. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 723] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-22-2012 10:10 AM Methinks you are missing what they were saying. It was not literal. All true muslims are deluded. All true muslims are slaves to Allah. Islam commands Jihad to defend Islam therefore ALL true muslims are potential terrorists. All true muslims believe that infidels are to be subjugated. -Tyr ahhhh true muslims and fake muslims-----this could be tough to sort out. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 724] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 10:26 AM ahhhh true muslims and fake muslims-----this could be tough to sort out. Just ask Jafar, he'll clue ya in on it all. You see there is TRUE Islam which uses terror, murder, lies and any dirty tactic known to man and there is FAKE Islam which only sometimes uses terror. murder, lies and any dirty tactic known to man. NOW THE FAKE ONES ARE TO BLAME WHEN ATTEMPTING TO PROMOTE THE LIE THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE WHILE THE TRUE ONES ARE TO BE GIVEN PRAISE AND CREDIT WHEN VICTORY IS WON OVER ALLAH'S ENEMIES. Thats the short version , for the much longer and far more complicated version you'll have to consult Jafar. As I havent mastered the lying and spinning techniques necessary to spew that one out. :laugh:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 725] Author : Missileman Date : 10-22-2012 10:40 AM As I havent mastered the lying and spinning techniques necessary to spew that one out. :laugh:-Tyr Don't sell yourself short. :poke: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 726] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-22-2012 10:42 AM Just ask Jafar, he'll clue ya in on it all. You see there is TRUE Islam which uses terror, murder, lies and any dirty tactic known to man and there is FAKE Islam which only sometimes uses terror. murder, lies and any dirty tactic known to man. NOW THE FAKE ONES ARE TO BLAME WHEN ATTEMPTING TO PROMOTE THE LIE THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE WHILE THE TRUE ONES ARE TO BE GIVEN PRAISE AND CREDIT WHEN VICTORY IS WON OVER ALLAH'S ENEMIES. Thats the short version , for the much longer and far more complicated version you'll have to consult Jafar. As I havent mastered the lying and spinning techniques necessary to spew that one out. :laugh:-Tyr Don't short yourself. I think you're one of the best spinners there is. All muslim are killers. Good luck with that one. :laugh2: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 727] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-22-2012 10:54 AM Because a post in this thread clearly stated Poverty = Islam. It's really simple to understand. I was thinking--hey--there are a lot of muslims that are rich as hell so poverty can't really be Islam. I'm going to pass on the religious question until you can learn how to politely address me instead of constantly insinuating that I'm stooooopid. Sheesh, Dillo, I know you are smarter than this. It was an analogy for the purpose of clarification, and very clearly stated as such. Since I know you are too intelligent to not know that, are you trying to obfuscate? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 728] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-22-2012 12:09 PM ahhhh true muslims and fake muslims-----this could be tough to sort out. Not when you've spent over a decade reading anti-Islam websites, err, studying Islam. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 729] Author : Drummond Date : 10-22-2012 12:30 PM ahhhh true muslims and fake muslims-----this could be tough to sort out. This reminds me. I recall asking you some little while ago, Dilloduck, whether or not you're a Muslim. You 'ducked' the question. Do you have an answer to offer ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 730] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-22-2012 12:50 PM Sheesh, Dillo, I know you are smarter than this. It was an analogy for the purpose of clarification, and very clearly stated as such. Since I know you are too intelligent to not know that, are you trying to obfuscate? nope----I truly misunderstood your analogy. I didn't realize that you were substituting the word Islam for poverty. I thought you meant Islam EQUALLED poverty. My bad. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 731] Author : jimnyc Date : 10-22-2012 12:52 PM ahhhh true muslims and fake muslims-----this could be tough to sort out. I can say this much, an endless amount of Muslims I have discussed the issue of terrorism & the abuse of women, they almost always state "they aren't true Muslims". Their words, not mine! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 732] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-22-2012 12:58 PM I can say this much, an endless amount of Muslims I have discussed the issue of terrorism & the abuse of women, they almost always state "they aren't true Muslims". Their words, not mine! agreed----so how do we deal with real and fake muslims ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 733] Author : jimnyc Date : 10-22-2012 01:01 PM agreed----so how do we deal with real and fake muslims ? Kill the terrorists, incarcerate the criminals and do nothing to peaceful law abiding Muslims. And when I say "we", I mean society, as obviously that would be under the control of where these people are at, and we "assume" that societies in other countries will be vigilant and do the same, but unfortunately that is rarely the case. So we can remain vigilant against terrorists, and criminals within our jurisdiction, but the entire problem is up to Muslims as well. Unfortunately, many, many people will continue to die and get abused until these other nations grow a pair and take care of the problem. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 734] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-22-2012 01:04 PM Kill the terrorists, incarcerate the criminals and do nothing to peaceful law abiding Muslims. And when I say "we", I mean society, as obviously that would be under the control of where these people are at, and we "assume" that societies in other countries will be vigilant and do the same, but unfortunately that is rarely the case. So we can remain vigilant against terrorists, and criminals within our jurisdiction, but the entire problem is up to Muslims as well. Unfortunately, many, many people will continue to die and get abused until these other nations grow a pair and take care of the problem. Sounds like a good plan to me -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 735] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-22-2012 01:09 PM Kill the terrorists, incarcerate the criminals and do nothing to peaceful law abiding Muslims... ... except for ones who use "terror, murder, lies, and dirty tactics" of course. ... there is TRUE Islam which uses terror, murder, lies and any dirty tactic known to man and there is FAKE Islam which only sometimes uses terror. murder, lies and any dirty tactic known to man. My God Jim, take a stand man. :poke: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 736] Author : jimnyc Date : 10-22-2012 01:14 PM ... except for ones who use "terror, murder, lies, and dirty tactics" of course. My God Jim, take a stand man. :poke: Well, we all know that there are good and bad in every society and every religion. IMO though, currently, there are more coming from within Islam. This can be corrected though, as the world is slowly banding together to hopefully stamp out terrorism, although this is no overnight job. But I think the key is, if there are Muslims who do evil deeds, that even fellow Muslims refer to as "not true Muslims", then they need to get on board and help us stamp out terrorism and those who commit these evil deeds. I see glimpses of it here and there, but not nearly enough, IMO, to say that Islam is doing their share to stop these problems. I think far too many are looking away or turning a blind eye to the many issues. But yeah, contrary to what Jafar or Abso would have you believe, and what my Muslim friends that I see daily would argue, I don't have a problem with all of Islam, just the crapheads. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 737] Author : Drummond Date : 10-22-2012 01:44 PM Well, we all know that there are good and bad in every society and every religion. IMO though, currently, there are more coming from within Islam. This can be corrected though, as the world is slowly banding together to hopefully stamp out terrorism, although this is no overnight job. But I think the key is, if there are Muslims who do evil deeds, that even fellow Muslims refer to as "not true Muslims", then they need to get on board and help us stamp out terrorism and those who commit these evil deeds. I see glimpses of it here and there, but not nearly enough, IMO, to say that Islam is doing their share to stop these problems. I think far too many are looking away or turning a blind eye to the many issues. But yeah, contrary to what Jafar or Abso would have you believe, and what my Muslim friends that I see daily would argue, I don't have a problem with all of Islam, just the crapheads. Fair enough, Jim .. IF we can see clear evidence of a substantial number of Muslims prepared to do their bit to fight terrorism and act against its instigators. Still .. even if he was only one example to cite .. I'm still reminded of Abu Hamza (now extradited to the US to face terrorist charges), a hate preacher if ever there was one, arguing on a weekly basis, for YEARS, that his Jihadist message needed to be heeded and acted upon. There he stood, Jim, outside a mosque in Finsbury Park, north London (an area of London with a disproportionately high percentage of Muslim and ethnic-minority people populating it), trying to recruit whoever would listen to his Jihadist cause. Now, as I say, he did this, weekly, for YEARS. You'd imagine there would have to be, over this time, quite a number of Muslims who'd want to complain about him, if - as you'd like to believe - there's a peaceful 'core' contingent of Muslims who'd find him offensive. Yet, I'm unaware of even ONE complaint, EVER being officially made against him. I'm sure that if any had been, it would've been newsworthy enough in the UK for the press to have reported it with some prominence. I've never seen any such report. Jafar was in my country when much of this was going on, Jim, I understand he knew the area (.. as do I ..) and he suggested anecdotal evidence of a local Muslim he knew who, he said, didn't like what Hamza was doing. Well, I've already challenged Jafar to provide evidence of any complaints made against Abu Hamza. He had to reply without being able to supply such evidence. Jim, if you can find any yourself, I look forward to seeing it. But I feel certain there is none at all to be found. So I ask .. HOW COME ? Surely, over a period of years, someone would've complained from the Muslim community, if Hamza's hate sermons hadn't resonated with them ! Do you see the difficulty here ? It just isn't credible, Jim, that Hamza could have continued with his HUNDREDS of sermons and received no opposition from other Muslims .. if any had actually existed. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 738] Author : jimnyc Date : 10-22-2012 01:59 PM Fair enough, Jim .. IF we can see clear evidence of a substantial number of Muslims prepared to do their bit to fight terrorism and act against its instigators. Still .. even if he was only one example to cite .. I'm still reminded of Abu Hamza (now extradited to the US to face terrorist charges), a hate preacher if ever there was one, arguing on a weekly basis, for YEARS, that his Jihadist message needed to be heeded and acted upon. There he stood, Jim, outside a mosque in Finsbury Park, north London (an area of London with a disproportionately high percentage of Muslim and ethnic-minority people populating it), trying to recruit whoever would listen to his Jihadist cause. Now, as I say, he did this, weekly, for YEARS. You'd imagine there would have to be, over this time, quite a number of Muslims who'd want to complain about him, if - as you'd like to believe - there's a peaceful 'core' contingent of Muslims who'd find him offensive. Yet, I'm unaware of even ONE complaint, EVER being officially made against him. I'm sure that if any had been, it would've been newsworthy enough in the UK for the press to have reported it with some prominence. I've never seen any such report. Jafar was in my country when much of this was going on, Jim, I understand he knew the area (.. as do I ..) and he suggested anecdotal evidence of a local Muslim he knew who, he said, didn't like what Hamza was doing. Well, I've already challenged Jafar to provide evidence of any complaints made against Abu Hamza. He had to reply without being able to supply such evidence. Jim, if you can find any yourself, I look forward to seeing it. But I feel certain there is none at all to be found. So I ask .. HOW COME ? Surely, over a period of years, someone would've complained from the Muslim community, if Hamza's hate sermons hadn't resonated with them ! Do you see the difficulty here ? It just isn't credible, Jim, that Hamza could have continued with his HUNDREDS of sermons and received no opposition from other Muslims .. if any had actually existed. You won't get an argument from me! Like I said, far too many turn a blind eye, look away, or in this case they revel in the hatred and this is where the "death to America" kind of crap starts. I also wouldn't be surprised if one or 2 "jihadists" aka terrorists are formed out of such hate speech. Many will say this only accounts for a small portion, but we know that's not true, and this is certainly not the only place this kind of stuff happens. If this is occurring in London, can you imagine how often it happens in Islamic countries? Our Muslim friends here won't respond to this although I asked many times - but even in Australia, they had an 8yr old girl speaking about jihad and global domination, and I can't even begin to tell you how much I've seen over the years, where they start teaching kids at 3-4yrs old about hating jews. As I said before, they never had a chance. And until the peaceful Muslims stand up and stamp this crap out, it will almost always be a problem. If the UK or US gets involved to stamp things out, they blame us for getting involved and to stay out of their business, even though their business knows no borders and ultimately gets people beaten and/or killed. My point prior to this, is that there are in fact peaceful Muslims out there I believe. Sadly, it's mostly in non-Islamic lead countries. And of course there are plenty in Islamic countries too, but they don't seem to care enough to get involved and put an end to the hate and death. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 739] Author : Drummond Date : 10-22-2012 02:09 PM You won't get an argument from me! Like I said, far too many turn a blind eye, look away, or in this case they revel in the hatred and this is where the "death to America" kind of crap starts. I also wouldn't be surprised if one or 2 "jihadists" aka terrorists are formed out of such hate speech. Many will say this only accounts for a small portion, but we know that's not true, and this is certainly not the only place this kind of stuff happens. If this is occurring in London, can you imagine how often it happens in Islamic countries? Our Muslim friends here won't respond to this although I asked many times - but even in Australia, they had an 8yr old girl speaking about jihad and global domination, and I can't even begin to tell you how much I've seen over the years, where they start teaching kids at 3-4yrs old about hating jews. As I said before, they never had a chance. And until the peaceful Muslims stand up and stamp this crap out, it will almost always be a problem. If the UK or US gets involved to stamp things out, they blame us for getting involved and to stay out of their business, even though their business knows no borders and ultimately gets people beaten and/or killed. My point prior to this, is that there are in fact peaceful Muslims out there I believe. Sadly, it's mostly in non-Islamic lead countries. And of course there are plenty in Islamic countries too, but they don't seem to care enough to get involved and put an end to the hate and death. Good points, Jim. You weren't aware of this .. ? http://laht.com/article.asp?CategoryId=12395&ArticleId=223535 Abu Hamza Al-Masri, who was jailed for seven years Tuesday for inciting murder and racial hatred, preached his message of violence to three of the July 7 London suicide bombers. The Times has learnt that Mohammad Sidique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer and Jermaine Lindsay, who detonated rucksack bombs on London Tube visited Finsbury Park mosque in North London where Abu Hamza taught that Muslims were obliged to kill unbelievers to defend Islam. Khan and Tanweer heard the cleric’s sermons inside the mosque. They and Lindsay were also among crowds that heard Abu Hamza preach on the street after the building was closed in a police raid in 2003. The link between Abu Hamza, 47, and the bombers, who killed 52 people and themselves, raises a possible new explanation for the timing of the attacks. On the morning of July 7 Abu Hamza was in the dock at the Old Bailey about to stand trial. But his case was postponed for six months. It resumed last month, concluding when a jury of seven men and five women returned unanimous guilty verdicts on 11 of 15 charges. Abu Hamza, who refused to recognize the court because it did not administer Islamic law, remained seated as the verdicts were delivered. Sentencing him, Mr Justice Hughes said: “You used your authority to legitimize anger and to encourage your audiences to believe that it gave rise to a duty to murder. “You commended suicide bombing, you encouraged them to kill in the cause you set out for them.” He added that the radical imam had “created a real danger to the lives of innocent people in different parts of the world”. The judge said that in handing down a seven-year sentence he was aware that upon release Abu Hamza was likely to be rearrested and extradited to the United States where he faces serious terrorist charges, including conspiracy to take hostages. As Abu Hamza was led away two supporters in the public gallery called out: “God bless you, Sheikh Abu Hamza.” As I say .. NO complaints, ever that I'm aware of ... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 740] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 05:56 PM http://www.meforum.org/2578/steven-emerson-combating-radical-islam ConclusionEmerson believes that the Islamist movement in the West continues to strengthen, in large part due to what he refers to as the "cultural jihad," which provides a congenial environment in which Islamists can flourish. He cites survey data indicating that many Muslim communities in the West sympathize with aspects of the Islamist worldview. These cultural jihadists in turn give moral support to the terrorists.[71] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#_ftn71) In Globalized Islam: The Search for a New Ummah, the French scholar Olivier Roy argues that Muslims in the West often experience a trauma of "deterritorialization" because they feel estranged from their native lands. To overcome anomie and alienation, young Muslims find solace in a new, purified Islam and attach themselves to a "virtual ummah [Islamic nation]" built by them on the Internet.[72] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#_ftn72) This pool of mostly young, alienated, Muslim men provides a reservoir from which Islamists can recruit in the West. In Emerson's opinion, the November 2, 2004 murder of Theo van Gogh by Mohammed Bouyeri[73] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#_ftn73) was a watershed event that inspired Europeans to reevaluate the viability of the multicultural model, seeing that it results not in peaceful coexistence but rather in separatism and cultural jihadism, threatening the social fabric of Western Europe. He warns that moderates have little influence in Muslim communities in the West.[74] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#_ftn74) Although the Muslim underclass in the United States is smaller than in Europe, Emerson finds substantial alienation in the Muslim-American community. He sees groups such as CAIR, MPAC, the Islamic Society of North America, and the Muslim American Society as agents that exacerbate this tendency. What is more, he notes, Islamist schools in the United States are often funded by Wahhabi sources promoting an extremist variant of Islam.[75] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#_ftn75) Emerson has not gone unnoticed by Al-Qaeda. In September 2006, a leading public representative of the organization—American-born Adam Gadahn, who has adopted the Muslim name of Azzam al-Amriki—mentioned Emerson and several other Americans in a public videotape.[76] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#_ftn76) The video begins with an introduction by bin Laden's lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who refers to Gadahn as a "brother" and "a perceptive person who wants to lead his people out of darkness into the light."[77] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#_ftn77) Then Gadahn invites Emerson and the others to Islam: If the Zionist crusader missionaries of hate and counter-Islam consultants like Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer, Michael Scheuer, Steven Emerson, and yes, even the crusader-in-chief, George W. Bush were to abandon their unbelief and repent and enter into the light of Islam and turn their swords against the enemies of God, it would be accepted of them and they would be our brothers of Islam.[78] (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#_ftn78) Emerson and his colleagues remain unimpressed and continue their work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Impressive link , very very long . Emerson has them nailed ..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 741] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 06:02 PM ... except for ones who use "terror, murder, lies, and dirty tactics" of course. My God Jim, take a stand man. :poke: ^^ Why are you begging? Begging for condemnation of my post, my stand and my posting truth about Islam. My, my how unbiased and fair you are.. Do you deny that there are those that use "terror, lies, murder and dirty tactics"??? Jim , apparently has already taken a stand that he sees and seeks the truth. Isnt that good enough for you or will you need to beg for more?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 742] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 06:13 PM http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/07/cair-shows-no-mercy-to-abused-muslim-women.html Just a small sample below .. The Article can be read at the site linked. CAIR is all about Islam destroying America.. --Tyr CommentsI don't think I've ever seen an example of mercy with the stamp of islam on it. They kill their own children and wives when they step out of line, and show less mercy to strangers. Posted by: venkovan | Monday, July 30, 2012 at 01:05 PM (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/07/cair-shows-no-mercy-to-abused-muslim-women.html?cid=6a00d8341c60bf53ef017616e232a6970c#comment-6a00d8341c60bf53ef017616e232a6970c) Come to think about it venkovan, I wonder if they even know what love is? All they know is control and fear. How can they love someone and kill them the very next day? How sad a life. Now this poor woman Nashida has probably been living in hell for three years with nowhere to turn and nobody to help. Maybe she can get in touch with you Pamela and find her way out of the hole she's in. I can't even imagine what her life is like. Posted by: Brandy | Monday, July 30, 2012 at 02:04 PM (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/07/cair-shows-no-mercy-to-abused-muslim-women.html?cid=6a00d8341c60bf53ef017743c8dcbf970d#comment-6a00d8341c60bf53ef017743c8dcbf970d) An example of Islamic mercy within the family. This is the true story of an event that happened during Bush II in Iraq. Two British soldiers were patrolling an Iraqi village when they observed a man violently punching and kicking his 11-year-old daughter in front of his house. They beat him up for it. The man then stood in front of his house for days, waiting for the two soldiers to pass by again. One day they did. The man made sure they noticed him, pulled his daughter in front of him, and cut her throat with a dagger before they could stop him. When the police came to arrest him, the man told them: "Now I have regained my honor." Posted by: Thomas | Tuesday, July 31, 2012 at 04:57 AM (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/07/cair-shows-no-mercy-to-abused-muslim-women.html?cid=6a00d8341c60bf53ef017616e747c7970c#comment-6a00d8341c60bf53ef017616e747c7970c) Why is the death, or murder, of a wife or daughter not considered a loss to those who practice islam? How do they survive with such a profound lack of reasoning and the total absence of love? They must be sustained by the devil himself, for no other could tolerate such evil. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 743] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 06:46 PM Not when you've spent over a decade reading anti-Islam websites, err, studying Islam. Or one could do like you , your new fan missileman and others and just talk out their asses about crap you do not understand but "feel" strongly about. Like say, Islam and its true threats for example. Pretend to be so knowledgable without really knowing anything except how much you want to appease Islam and criticise me. Be that kind of arrogant but basicly useless poster..-:laugh:--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 744] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-22-2012 07:17 PM You won't get an argument from me! Like I said, far too many turn a blind eye, look away, or in this case they revel in the hatred and this is where the "death to America" kind of crap starts. I also wouldn't be surprised if one or 2 "jihadists" aka terrorists are formed out of such hate speech. Many will say this only accounts for a small portion, but we know that's not true, and this is certainly not the only place this kind of stuff happens. If this is occurring in London, can you imagine how often it happens in Islamic countries? Our Muslim friends here won't respond to this although I asked many times - but even in Australia, they had an 8yr old girl speaking about jihad and global domination, and I can't even begin to tell you how much I've seen over the years, where they start teaching kids at 3-4yrs old about hating jews. As I said before, they never had a chance. And until the peaceful Muslims stand up and stamp this crap out, it will almost always be a problem. If the UK or US gets involved to stamp things out, they blame us for getting involved and to stay out of their business, even though their business knows no borders and ultimately gets people beaten and/or killed. My point prior to this, is that there are in fact peaceful Muslims out there I believe. Sadly, it's mostly in non-Islamic lead countries. And of course there are plenty in Islamic countries too, but they don't seem to care enough to get involved and put an end to the hate and death. I don't think anyone wants the job of world policeman. It's dangerous and expensive. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 745] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-22-2012 07:26 PM http://ezinearticles.com/?Nazi-Jews---A-Historical-Paradox&id=1318287 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 746] Author : tailfins Date : 10-22-2012 07:27 PM http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/07/cair-shows-no-mercy-to-abused-muslim-women.html Just a small sample below .. The Article can be read at the site linked. CAIR is all about Islam destroying America.. --Tyr CAIR is indeed a bigoted organization. Do you remember Bill Keller battle? I draw the line when a group wants only tolerance only for themselves. The below link will refresh your memory if you don't. CAIR isn't just minding their own business. http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blog/35638/cair-vs-televangelist-bill-keller/greg-pollowitz -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 747] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-22-2012 07:53 PM CAIR is indeed a bigoted organization. Do you remember Bill Keller battle? I draw the line when a group wants only tolerance only for themselves. The below link will refresh your memory if you don't. CAIR isn't just minding their own business. http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blog/35638/cair-vs-televangelist-bill-keller/greg-pollowitz There are groups all over America who place their own interests above others. Seriously folks. Treating Islam as the great Satan will do more harm than good. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 748] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 07:58 PM CAIR is indeed a bigoted organization. Do you remember Bill Keller battle? I draw the line when a group wants only tolerance only for themselves. The below link will refresh your memory if you don't. CAIR isn't just minding their own business. http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blog/35638/cair-vs-televangelist-bill-keller/greg-pollowitz This Bill Keller..??--Tyr http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/bill-keller-southern-poverty-law-center-hate-group-lawsuit_n_1799536.html A prominent evangelist is threatening to sue the Southern Poverty Law Center (http://www.splcenter.org/) (SPLC) after it labeled his Internet-based ministry a "hate group." According to a press release (http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/104407534.html), Bill Keller -- deemed "the world's leading Internet evangelist" and the founder of LivePrayer.com (http://liveprayer.com/) -- is planning a $100 million defamation lawsuit against the SPLC. "The sad shooting the other day at the Family Research Council by a man who supports the radical homosexual agenda, was clearly fueled by the left wing group, the Southern Poverty Law Center," Keller is quoted by ThinkProgress as saying (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/08/17/709031/hate-group-leader-threatens-100-million-lawsuit-against-splc/). "I receive at least 4-5 death threats a month for taking a Biblical stand on issues like homosexuality, the false religion of Islam and other cults, and the fact life begins at conception and choosing to end that life is nothing more than legalized infanticide." He continued, "Groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center give license to individuals who oppose a Biblical worldview to take whatever actions they deem fit, even acts of violence, to silence those they disagree with. Sadly, this intimidation has worked, because there are very few like myself who are willing to go into the mainstream media and promote Biblical truth that a large percentage of society now rejects." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, I remember the name and a bit about the controversy. CAIR has intimidated and even brought lawsuits against many outspoken critics of Islam. They do that to cost their victims huge attorney fees defending against their bullshat. They even support Islamic terrorist groups. They have powerful friends in our government with obama being the biggest one.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 749] Author : jimnyc Date : 10-22-2012 08:13 PM I don't think anyone wants the job of world policeman. It's dangerous and expensive. It's a lot better than allowing terrorism to become more of a problem than it already is, and watching innocent women being abused on a daily basis. I'm not fond of ignoring such things like Islam does in their own backyard, and I'm all for the US stopping what they can. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 750] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-22-2012 08:52 PM It's a lot better than allowing terrorism to become more of a problem than it already is, and watching innocent women being abused on a daily basis. I'm not fond of ignoring such things like Islam does in their own backyard, and I'm all for the US stopping what they can. No one has ever suggested ignoring any acts of violence. Y'all really need to burn that strawman. I'd like to make it all disappear like magic too but the truth is that policing the world is expensive and dangerous and has unintended consequences. We will be defeated economically if we're not careful. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 751] Author : Gaffer Date : 10-22-2012 09:26 PM http://ezinearticles.com/?Nazi-Jews---A-Historical-Paradox&id=1318287 Interesting article. Most of the Jews were not practicing the religion and many did not even know they had Jewish ancestry. This paragraph stood out to me. The common public notion is that no one of Jewish descent would have ever been allowed to serve in the Nazi regime and, if discovered, would be immediately deported to a forced labor or extermination/concentration camp. This was not the case. The Nazi racial classification or "Nuremberg Laws" were complex and bizarre as to who was classified as a "Jew". (see Nazi classification chart) This classification dispute is responsible for some controversy. Some scholars have complained that the title of Rigg's book is sensational and misleading because it implies that these Nazi soldiers were Jewish when, in fact, many of them would not be classified as Jews under Jewish law (Young men were considered Jewish if their mothers were Jewish.). Many of the soldiers interviewed did not consider themselves Jewish at all and had been baptized into a Christian tradition. I view this as a simplistic criticism since the overall issue of how Hitler bent and twisted the racial laws of his regime to serve his own bizarre purposes in the face of the Nuremberg laws is a fascinating idea that Riggs explains from a unique perspective. Riggs demonstrates the willingness of the Nazis to bend their own laws of racial classification and Jewish persecution and documents Hitler's extensive , obsessive involvement in deciding which "Jews" received a pass ,which would be discharged, and which would ultimately be deported. Riggs also explores the historical, religious and cultural individual personal conflicts of "The Jewish Identity". A very interesting side-note to Rigg's book is that his research has popped up on Holocaust Revisionist websites as support for their outrageously bizarre claim that there was substantial support for Hitler from parts of the Jewish Community. They weren't Jews fighting for Hitler. They were of Jewish ancestry doing their patriotic duty. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 752] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 09:28 PM There are groups all over America who place their own interests above others. Seriously folks. Treating Islam as the great Satan will do more harm than good. Sure, we should treat Islam like its a peaceful religion, right? Pretend that it does not demand infidels die and innocent people be murdered! Just ignores its evil and EMBRACE THE DAMN LIE, EH?-TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 753] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 09:30 PM No one has ever suggested ignoring any acts of violence. Y'all really need to burn that strawman. I'd like to make it all disappear like magic too but the truth is that policing the world is expensive and dangerous and has unintended consequences. We will be defeated economically if we're not careful. Their man obama already doing that.. , what else you got besides more defeatist talk?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 754] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 09:32 PM Interesting article. Most of the Jews were not practicing the religion and many did not even know they had Jewish ancestry. This paragraph stood out to me. They weren't Jews fighting for Hitler. They were of Jewish ancestry doing their patriotic duty. What? He brings up some very rare example to prove his point. Exactly what would it prove?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 755] Author : Gaffer Date : 10-22-2012 09:40 PM What? He brings up some very rare example to prove his point. Exactly what would it prove?-Tyr Yep it was a rare article. And as I pointed out the soldiers weren't Jews but had some Jewish ancestry. It fails to mention that most of those soldiers when found out were arrested and executed. I know he had to do some serious digging to find that. All so he can right. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 756] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 09:48 PM Yep it was a rare article. And as I pointed out the soldiers weren't Jews but had some Jewish ancestry. It fails to mention that most of those soldiers when found out were arrested and executed. I know he had to do some serious digging to find that. All so he can right. Almost as rare as a CROCODILE TONGUE. But hey , he thinks it means something. What I haven 't a clue. O' yes, I remembernow his claim that Hitler didnt target those that worked with him!!!!! Say, how'd that work out for the damn Russians!!!!! --:laugh2:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 757] Author : tailfins Date : 10-22-2012 09:52 PM This Bill Keller..??--Tyr http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/bill-keller-southern-poverty-law-center-hate-group-lawsuit_n_1799536.html A prominent evangelist is threatening to sue the Southern Poverty Law Center (http://www.splcenter.org/) (SPLC) after it labeled his Internet-based ministry a "hate group." According to a press release (http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/104407534.html), Bill Keller -- deemed "the world's leading Internet evangelist" and the founder of LivePrayer.com (http://liveprayer.com/) -- is planning a $100 million defamation lawsuit against the SPLC. "The sad shooting the other day at the Family Research Council by a man who supports the radical homosexual agenda, was clearly fueled by the left wing group, the Southern Poverty Law Center," Keller is quoted by ThinkProgress as saying (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/08/17/709031/hate-group-leader-threatens-100-million-lawsuit-against-splc/). "I receive at least 4-5 death threats a month for taking a Biblical stand on issues like homosexuality, the false religion of Islam and other cults, and the fact life begins at conception and choosing to end that life is nothing more than legalized infanticide." He continued, "Groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center give license to individuals who oppose a Biblical worldview to take whatever actions they deem fit, even acts of violence, to silence those they disagree with. Sadly, this intimidation has worked, because there are very few like myself who are willing to go into the mainstream media and promote Biblical truth that a large percentage of society now rejects." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, I remember the name and a bit about the controversy. CAIR has intimidated and even brought lawsuits against many outspoken critics of Islam. They do that to cost their victims huge attorney fees defending against their bullshat. They even support Islamic terrorist groups. They have powerful friends in our government with obama being the biggest one.-Tyr I like to call people like Bill Keller "red meat". It's fine for hard-core Christians, but a message not meant for public consumption. I would cheerfully attend a Bill Keller function, but I wouldn't dare repeat the message in a public or business situation. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 758] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 10:00 PM I like to call people like Bill Keller "red meat". It's fine for hard-core Christians, but a message not meant for public consumption. I would cheerfully attend a Bill Keller function, but I wouldn't dare repeat the message in a public or business situation. The guy is very smart and has guts, the kind we need in America. I do not live or work in a very PC world. Im out of step deliberately and Keller is the kind of guy Id like to have a long chat with myself.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 759] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-22-2012 10:01 PM ^^ Why are you begging? Begging for condemnation of my post, my stand and my posting truth about Islam. My, my how unbiased and fair you are.. Do you deny that there are those that use "terror, lies, murder and dirty tactics"??? Jim , apparently has already taken a stand that he sees and seeks the truth. Isnt that good enough for you or will you need to beg for more?-Tyr Begging? You need to work on some comprehension issues (hint, see sarcasm). You could also point out where I claimed I was unbaised. Or one could do like you , your new fan missileman and others and just talk out their asses about crap you do not understand but "feel" strongly about. Like say, Islam and its true threats for example. Pretend to be so knowledgable without really knowing anything except how much you want to appease Islam and criticise me. Be that kind of arrogant but basicly useless poster..-:laugh:--Tyr I'm pretty sure I understand enough when it comes to your posting yet I'm left wanting on your "plan." I've asked about what should be done and haven't received much of an answer. I am sure, however, demonizing based on your criteria is counterproductive. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 760] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 10:21 PM Begging? You need to work on some comprehension issues (hint, see sarcasm). You could also point out where I claimed I was unbaised. I'm pretty sure I understand enough when it comes to your posting yet I'm left wanting on your "plan." I've asked about what should be done and haven't received much of an answer. I am sure, however, demonizing based on your criteria is counterproductive. Why would you want to read my plan? Arent I just a fool, a bigot, racist, a liar , a troublemaker , a terrorist and dumb as a box of rocks?? Didnt you guys poo-poo my entire opening composition to this thread? I've given a general plan and even what to start with, what more do you want from my brilliant mind! I mean , I give of my time , wit and even generous teachings already..--:laugh2: I that have killed the wild game, carried it out of the wilderness, skinned it, cooked it , must now spoonfeed it to you too!-;)--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 761] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-22-2012 10:26 PM Arent I just a fool, a bigot, racist, a liar , a troublemaker , a terrorist and dumb as a box of rocks?? :shrug: Is this it? We can break Islam by simply evaporating Mecca and Medina. A neat and fast victory. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 762] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-22-2012 10:30 PM Don't sell yourself short. :poke: I havent sold myself short. I have full confidence in my cause and the course I've set. I've did a bit of declaring war too. Islam declared war upon my nation, my family and I chose to declare back it in return. If it ever comes to it I will do so with more than just words. Nobody messes with my family. Threaten me , my family or my nation and I become the kind of enemy to be feared. I don't play nice and people in the past have discovered that the hard way, Islam will discover it too. They are cowards.. Cowards that deliberately murder innocent women and children, what do real men have to fear of such vermin? -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 763] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-23-2012 08:09 AM Islam didn't declare war on America. You can take a break from dragging wild beast in from the jungle. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 764] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-23-2012 08:27 AM :shrug: Is this it? No, that was just a bonus tidbit.. Something for the Jafars of the world to ponder.. You didnt answer my question. Why seek my plan if Im so damn wrong and off base>?--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 765] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-23-2012 08:33 AM Islam didn't declare war on America. You can take a break from dragging wild beast in from the jungle. Wrong, it did. Just because 100% of Islam doesnt currently actively engage in the war doesnt mean the religion as a whole does not support it. The vast majority of muslims support the Jihad and a Jihad it is being carried out by Islam's Jihad warriors. As long as we refuse to cut the head off of the snake clipping its tail will do no good, as it will always regrow. Islam knows this and its leaders bank on it for eventual victory. AHA, but slaying the beasts is a hobby of mine. Even generously sharing the meat but spoonfeeding the kids is not..-;)--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 766] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-23-2012 09:06 AM No, that was just a bonus tidbit.. Something for the Jafars of the world to ponder.. Well that was just so clear based on your rhetoric huh? :rolleyes: You didnt answer my question. Why seek my plan if Im so damn wrong and off base>?--Tyr Because if you're plan is to "evaporate Mecca and Medina" then you're rhetoric is distracting and counterproductive. But if you're plan is to prosecute terrorists, etc. as Jim mentioned then your rhetoric is still distracting and counterproductive but most will agree with the plan. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 767] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-23-2012 09:31 AM then you're rhetoric is distracting and counterproductive. ^^^ kind of like many of your posts, eh?:laugh: I have post many linked sources to validate my stand and my desire for Americans to stop being kept in the dark about what Islam is doing in our own damn country but according to you they are just rhetoric and counterproductive. Counterproductive to what, the ffed up government coverup, where the government calls the Fort Hood terrorist attack a simple case of workplace violence!?? etc.. I am not the one blinded pedro, you are.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 768] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-23-2012 10:42 AM Wrong, it did. Just because 100% of Islam doesnt currently actively engage in the war doesnt mean the religion as a whole does not support it. The vast majority of muslims support the Jihad and a Jihad it is being carried out by Islam's Jihad warriors. As long as we refuse to cut the head off of the snake clipping its tail will do no good, as it will always regrow. Islam knows this and its leaders bank on it for eventual victory. AHA, but slaying the beasts is a hobby of mine. Even generously sharing the meat but spoonfeeding the kids is not..-;)--Tyr Is this declaration of war in your head or is it written down somewhere? I know al qaeda declared war because I've seen read bin laden's declaration and it explains why he declared war. I've seen no such thing from Islam. Maybe because they don't have a living representative -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 769] Author : Drummond Date : 10-23-2012 11:13 AM Is this declaration of war in your head or is it written down somewhere? I know al qaeda declared war because I've seen read bin laden's declaration and it explains why he declared war. I've seen no such thing from Islam. Maybe because they don't have a living representative OK, so what religion - according to you - does Al Qaeda say it represents ? What religion do they want to see prevail ? Hinduism, maybe ? Buddhism ? Please enlighten us. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 770] Author : Drummond Date : 10-23-2012 11:16 AM Islam didn't declare war on America. You can take a break from dragging wild beast in from the jungle. ... and '9/11' didn't happen ... it was all a Quentin Tarantino fantasy .. yes ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 771] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-23-2012 12:07 PM ... counterproductive. Still no plan I see. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 772] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-23-2012 12:25 PM Still no plan I see. Send me a stampeed self-adressed return envelope with the 5000 dollars CASH that I require for releasing my Masterplan and I'll send you the entire 27 page copy of it. Hurry, because in November the price jumps up to 57 ,000. PM ME IF MORE DETAILS ARE REQUIRED.--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 773] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-23-2012 12:27 PM Send me a stampeed self-adressed return envelope with the 5000 dollars CASH that I require for releasing my Masterplan and I'll send you the entire 27 page copy of it. Hurry, because in November the price jumps up to 57 ,000. PM ME IF MORE DETAILS ARE REQUIRED.--Tyr All talk I see. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 774] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-23-2012 12:28 PM Is this declaration of war in your head or is it written down somewhere? I know al qaeda declared war because I've seen read bin laden's declaration and it explains why he declared war. I've seen no such thing from Islam. Maybe because they don't have a living representative Really? Then what are these Imams, chump change?-:laugh: Looks like they have many muckity muck representatives. I mean one of them barks and the people riot and murder. I call that having real authority , dont you?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 775] Author : aboutime Date : 10-23-2012 12:52 PM Really? Then what are these Imams, chump change?-:laugh: Looks like they have many muckity muck representatives. I mean one of them barks and the people riot and murder. I call that having real authority , dont you?-Tyr Dilloduck needs to inform us, more than obama and company are willing to do. As to WHO took part in the killing of our Ambassador, and Three other Americans...now, more than a silent Month ago. Also, Dilloduck. Other than actually saying the word "WAR". Tell us what representatives, of What Religious beliefs took part in the attacks. Because Obama wants to convince the Uneducated Americans who must follow him, that the enemies of the U.S.A. are no longer members of the OBL gang...who are peace loving, kind, gentle people...WITH GUNS and KNIVES. Dilloduck and the other easily led, perpetually ignorant just GO WITH THE OBAMA FLOW. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 776] Author : jafar00 Date : 10-23-2012 01:00 PM ... and '9/11' didn't happen ... it was all a Quentin Tarantino fantasy .. yes ? In what way did 9/11 or any other terrorist attack since come from Islam? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 777] Author : aboutime Date : 10-23-2012 01:07 PM In what way did 9/11 or any other terrorist attack since come from Islam? jafar. We can't help you read, or listen to news reports from around the world. If you still refuse to accept such things. None of us find your needs to Defend anyone who takes part in acts of terror. Just to allow you to impress yourself enough to convince YOU, you have an ability to play GOTCHA. By the way. 9/11 HAPPENS EVERY YEAR. We call it September 11th. You name the year. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 778] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-23-2012 03:52 PM OK, so what religion - according to you - does Al Qaeda say it represents ? What religion do they want to see prevail ? Hinduism, maybe ? Buddhism ? Please enlighten us. It's a radical militant Sunni group. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 779] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-23-2012 03:57 PM ... and '9/11' didn't happen ... it was all a Quentin Tarantino fantasy .. yes ? hahaha--you're getting funnier al the time---actually 9/11 really DID happen tho---the reason why is explained in bin laden's declarationof war. Have you read it ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 780] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-23-2012 04:00 PM Really? Then what are these Imams, chump change?-:laugh: Looks like they have many muckity muck representatives. I mean one of them barks and the people riot and murder. I call that having real authority , dont you?-Tyr If they controlled all the Muslims I might be impressed-----that Bani Sadr guy in Iraq was sorta tough but none of them show the real leadership that I think Islam needs -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 781] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-23-2012 04:02 PM Dilloduck needs to inform us, more than obama and company are willing to do. As to WHO took part in the killing of our Ambassador, and Three other Americans...now, more than a silent Month ago. Also, Dilloduck. Other than actually saying the word "WAR". Tell us what representatives, of What Religious beliefs took part in the attacks. Because Obama wants to convince the Uneducated Americans who must follow him, that the enemies of the U.S.A. are no longer members of the OBL gang...who are peace loving, kind, gentle people...WITH GUNS and KNIVES. Dilloduck and the other easily led, perpetually ignorant just GO WITH THE OBAMA FLOW. WAR ain't my word, Homey. Ax Mr. Tire bout that one -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 782] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-23-2012 05:31 PM In the other, Burns describes (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/case_docs/1198.pdf#page=186) an exhibit which shows CAIR listed (http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/case_docs/717.pdf#page=6) on a Palestine Committee agenda within weeks of its 1994 creation. In response to a question from federal prosecutor Barry Jonas, Burns said it was the first time CAIR's name appeared in internal Palestine Committee records seized by the FBI: A. It did not exist prior to the Philadelphia meeting. Q. So it came into being after Philadelphia? A. That is correct. After a 2007 trial ended with a deadlocked jury, a 2008 retrial resulted in guilty verdicts (http://www.investigativeproject.org/1046/hlf-founders-sentenced-to-long-prison-terms) on 108 counts. CAIR petitioned (http://www.investigativeproject.org/blog/2010/02/grand-jurys-cair-probe-points-to-hamas) the Dallas court presiding over the Holy Land trial to be removed from the co-conspirator list. Their complaint emphasized the unusual nature of making public the names of the unindicted co-conspirators and claimed the move unfairly tarnished CAIR's reputation. That request was denied (http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/1109/Judge_snubbed_US_Islamic_groups_in_secret_ruling.html) last summer. Weich's letter concludes by noting U.S. Rep. Sue Myrick requested "an investigation into the possible illegalities of CAIR," saying it was passed along to "appropriate FBI entities." Recent filings in a civil case involving CAIR indicate that a federal grand jury investigation (http://www.investigativeproject.org/blog/2010/02/grand-jurys-cair-probe-points-to-hamas) is looking at the organization's ties to Hamas. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why are they unindicted? Answer= Political power and influence. They are allowed to continue with their America destroying agenda. Government corruption and infiltration. CAIR must be destroyed and banished from this nation.-Tyr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/091006_whitehouse_ap_522_regular-e1350911770809.jpeg White House visitor records (https://explore.data.gov/dataset/White-House-Visitor-Records-Requests/644b-gaut) show that administration officials have hosted numerous White House meetings with a series of U.S.-based Muslim political groups that have close ties to jihadi groups and push to reduce anti-terrorism investigations. The visits were discovered by the Investigative Project on Terrorism, which compared the Obama White House’s visitor records (http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records) with its database of Islamist advocacy groups. For example, the records show that officials from the Council on American Islamic Relations have visited the White House 20 times, according to the organization’s report (http://www.investigativeproject.org/3777/a-red-carpet-for-radicals-at-the-white-house). Members of CAIR were invited to the White House, even though an April 2009 FBI statement said the bureau “does not view CAIR as an appropriate liaison partner” because of its ties to the Hamas jihadi group. Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/22/report-islamist-radicals-find-warm-welcome-in-obama-white-house/#ixzz2AAH9IZNL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ obama invites and embraces his friends CAIR . CAIR that has ties to and supports terrorists organizations!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 783] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-23-2012 05:49 PM WAR ain't my word, Homey. Ax Mr. Tire bout that one The name is not Tire, dildo. Its spelled Tyr.... three letters , not that hard..;)-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 784] Author : aboutime Date : 10-23-2012 07:15 PM WAR ain't my word, Homey. Ax Mr. Tire bout that one Dilloduck. You have no need to pretend to be illiterate using words like Ax, and Homey. I thought you were that way long before you tried to play that game. You probably call human beings from the age of 1 till they are 21 Chilrens too! Even if you don't. No need for you to show us what you think you are. We already knew it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 785] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-23-2012 08:12 PM Dilloduck. You have no need to pretend to be illiterate using words like Ax, and Homey. I thought you were that way long before you tried to play that game. You probably call human beings from the age of 1 till they are 21 Chilrens too! Even if you don't. No need for you to show us what you think you are. We already knew it. a muslim terrorist, right ? ( and liberal) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 786] Author : aboutime Date : 10-23-2012 08:37 PM a muslim terrorist, right ? ( and liberal) Did I say that? HOMEY? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 787] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-24-2012 08:28 AM http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/islamization-of-america-accelerates/ This has been a week of attempted advances for the Islamization of America (and Britain as well). Those who think it isn’t happening should ponder the case of Wegmans, a supermarket in Rochester, N.Y. Wegmans has put up a sign (http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2561824.shtml?cat=565) asking customers buying pork or alcohol not to use a particular checkout line when a Muslim teenager is on duty as the cashier. Only after public pressure from readers of my site AtlasShrugs.com and Robert Spencer’s JihadWatch.org did the sign come down. This was more Islamization of the marketplace. This is a pattern. If you don’t want to handle meat that’s not halal, work for a Muslim butcher. Don’t take a job at Wegmans, Wal-Mart or Target. But this Muslim cashier’s special line was not about that. It was about imposing Islam on non-Muslims. Muslims are seeking special accommodations for a “special class.” (Islamic law places Muslims in a special class, giving them rights that non-Muslims do not have. This was part of a systematic campaign to impose the Shariah on the secular marketplace. Muslim workers suing Disney (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/08/sharia-in-america-imposing-islam-on-disney.html) over its 60-year-old dress code or Muslim cashiers strong-arming Wal-Mart and Target over their refusal to handle meat that is not halal is all part of a much larger supremacist effort. It has succeeded in Europe, which is all but doomed. They mean to replicate it here. This is well-documented in my book, “Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance.” (http://superstore.wnd.com/books/Current-Affairs/Stop-the-Islamization-of-America-A-Practical-Guide-To-The-Resistance-Autographed-Hardcover) How did the Nazis construct an Aryan identity? | South African ... (http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/human-rights-issues-during-and-after-world-war-ii-focus-nazi-germany-grade-12-0) www.sahistory.org.za/.../human-rights-issues-during-and-after-world...Cached (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:fsAzibKF8nUJ:www.sahistory.org.za/article/human-rights-issues-during-and-after-world-war-ii-focus-nazi-germany-grade-12-0+nazi%3D+aryan&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) You +1'd this publicly. Undo (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#) He used the word 'Aryan' to describe his idea of a 'pure German race' or Herrenvolk. The 'Aryan race' had a duty to control the world. The Nazis believed that ... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Folks this crap goes on around the nation 24/7.. mostly unreported. They want special exemptions for them! Which actually means that everybody accept them as superior beings!!!! THINK ABOUT THAT! The Aryans, Nazi's were special superior beings too! Remember and they too hated the Jews and wanted to control the world.. Two undeniable common traits I bet there are more... --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 788] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-24-2012 10:04 AM Christian lawyers and judges better get to work. We also need to convert more people to Chirstianity and have more Christian babies. That outta do it -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 789] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-24-2012 10:07 AM Christian lawyers and judges better get to work. We also need to convert more people to Chirstianity and have more Christian babies. That outta do it Best take care of that murdering abortion law first that the socialist/lib/dems work so damn hard to keep foisted upon us methinks.. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 790] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-24-2012 10:43 AM Best take care of that murdering abortion law first that the socialist/lib/dems work so damn hard to keep foisted upon us methinks.. -Tyr I think that is where lawyers and judges come in. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 791] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-24-2012 10:09 PM I think that is where lawyers and judges come in. Damn judges are the ones that created the mess to start with. Roe vs. Wade was a completely dumbass bullshat decision. Denying the right to life for convenience sakes. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 792] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-24-2012 10:17 PM http://stopislamizationofamerica.blogspot.com/ Thank you Geert Wilders Thank you for giving the last recorded words of the Young Lady eternal presence on the ideological long march against the made up ilah (god) Allah, his self-proclaimed prophet Muhammad and the intellectually shallow and irrational religion of Islam (submission) that practices evil taqiyya (dissembling deception) with deadly results. Her last recorded words have eternal presence that will remind us of the eternal vigilance against the dhimmi danger that America faces from fellow traveler apologists for the self-proclaimed religion of peace (peace without opposition), and bend over backwards shallow thinking dhimmitude in the U. S. State Department. The Qur'an of the crescent moon ilah (god) Allah inspired the Islamic (submissive) mindset that caused the early death of almost 3,000 people, including Melissa Doi, the Young Lady whose last words will live forever to remind us of the dhimmi danger America and the world face from the Islamic fundamentalists who are top-rung-of-the-ladder Muslim (submitter) true believers of Islam (submission) and shariah (law), which is radical. The Fundamental Spirit of Islam Is Radical Evil Evil is fundamental to shariah and Islam (submission). Convert, or pay the dhimmi jizya tax… or die. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Click the link, read the info..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 793] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-25-2012 09:30 AM Damn judges are the ones that created the mess to start with. Roe vs. Wade was a completely dumbass bullshat decision. Denying the right to life for convenience sakes. --Tyr How do you plan to circumvent judges ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 794] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-25-2012 09:50 AM How do you plan to circumvent judges ? Didn't you hear? Impeachment. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 795] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-25-2012 09:51 AM How do you plan to circumvent judges ? Who ever said that I did? Leading questions may serve your purpose but will rarely mislead me unless I already want to go that direction. Judges are not eternal and times change. Roe vs. Wade needs to be revisited. Its not like SCOTUS decisions have never been overturned by a later SCOTUS decision.. However lets get the threat of Sharia law ever being established here put to rest before we tackle other issues. For Sharia law is a vey grave threat to us!!!! Wouldnt you agree??---Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 796] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-25-2012 09:52 AM Didn't you hear? Impeachment. We impeaching the whole supreme court now ? Sweet. ( but dont we have to replace them with more judges? :laugh:) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 797] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-25-2012 09:56 AM Didn't you hear? Impeachment. Wow, make shat up then get your buddy to discuss it with you as if it were true. How does a man ever get the massive amount of integrity which you have?? -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 798] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-25-2012 10:08 AM Wow, make shat up then get your buddy to discuss it with you as if it were true. As was noted by glockmail on another thread about how we should fire 4 of the Supreme Court Justices I decided to check on how Supreme court Justices can be removed from thier position which is normally a lifetime appointment. ... We have that by at least two justices but I maintain that its possibly by more than that. Those two that I cited are clearly guilty IMHO.-Tyr Actually the Constitution allows the legislator to impeach them simply for bad behavior. It is a much lower standard than "high crimes and misdemeanors" and should therefore be used much more often. But the legislature has historically lacked the balls to remove judges, and in return judges have given them free reign to usurp the Constitution. I agree wholeheartedly... What did I make up? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 799] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-25-2012 10:15 AM What did I make up? You editted out parts of my quotes. I havent time now to go look them up but clearly you chose to edit those quotes. Context and additional replies along with those quotes reveal I've never maintained that we can just impeach 4 SCOTUS justices without true and just cause... Dishonesty seems to be a virtue with you and your posting here IMHO. What thread are those quotes from? And why didnt you discuss it there or did you? -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 800] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-25-2012 10:23 AM You editted out parts of my quotes. I havent time now to go look them up but clearly you chose to edit those quotes. Context and additional replies along with those quotes reveal I've never maintained that we can just impeach 4 SCOTUS justices without true and just cause... Dishonesty seems to be a virtue with you and your posting here IMHO. What thread are those quotes from? And why didnt you discuss it there or did you? -Tyr I edited for brevity and left clear links for people to make up their own minds. I also never suggested you wanted to impeach "4" justices. You know, when you're in the hole and you keep digging? It just gets deeper. EDIT: And yes, the premise of that thread was thoroughly debunked. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 801] Author : Drummond Date : 10-25-2012 12:45 PM hahaha--you're getting funnier al the time---actually 9/11 really DID happen tho---the reason why is explained in bin laden's declarationof war. Have you read it ? I can't claim to have ever made a point of studying either the writings or the videos of Osama bin Laden, no, Dilloduck. If you feel you can enlighten us from a more expert perspective ... I've just seen the effects of what he and his type get up to. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 802] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-25-2012 12:48 PM I can't claim to have ever made a point of studying either the writings or the videos of Osama bin Laden, no, Dilloduck. If you feel you can enlighten us from a more expert perspective ... I've just seen the effects of what he and his type get up to. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/military/july-dec96/fatwa_1996.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 803] Author : aboutime Date : 10-25-2012 12:59 PM I can't claim to have ever made a point of studying either the writings or the videos of Osama bin Laden, no, Dilloduck. If you feel you can enlighten us from a more expert perspective ... I've just seen the effects of what he and his type get up to. Drummond.. Please, stand-by for the natural, expected, predictable, liberal excuses. Better known as Obama Lies, from Dillo, and anyone else here who feels a need, or limited responsibility to make up more lies to cover up, and defend the existing lies from the Liberal, Democrats here in this nation. Obama and company are now, pulling out all of the STOPS, when it comes to accusations, name calling, and all based on lies they create to impress the Illiterate, and under-educated who always vote for them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 804] Author : Drummond Date : 10-25-2012 01:28 PM Drummond.. Please, stand-by for the natural, expected, predictable, liberal excuses. Better known as Obama Lies, from Dillo, and anyone else here who feels a need, or limited responsibility to make up more lies to cover up, and defend the existing lies from the Liberal, Democrats here in this nation. Obama and company are now, pulling out all of the STOPS, when it comes to accusations, name calling, and all based on lies they create to impress the Illiterate, and under-educated who always vote for them.:clap: Not exactly a surprise, aboutime. Are they fit for anything else ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 805] Author : Drummond Date : 10-25-2012 01:31 PM http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/military/july-dec96/fatwa_1996.html That was quick, Dilloduck. Do you have a little library of this stuff waiting in the wings for us, to be called upon instantly ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 806] Author : aboutime Date : 10-25-2012 01:33 PM :clap: Not exactly a surprise, aboutime. Are they fit for anything else ? OH YES! They are very fit for something else. Problem is. When they run out of Kool-aid. They become Alcoholics, or Inhale a White Powdery stuff that is permitted for sale, and use by the new OBAMA HEALTH CARE bill which includes POT as a phony cure for STUPIDITY Liberally speaking, of course. Remember. When you ask if they are FIT. Depends on what the meaning of FIT is! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 807] Author : Drummond Date : 10-25-2012 01:40 PM OH YES! They are very fit for something else. Problem is. When they run out of Kool-aid. They become Alcoholics, or Inhale a White Powdery stuff that is permitted for sale, and use by the new OBAMA HEALTH CARE bill which includes POT as a phony cure for STUPIDITY Liberally speaking, of course. Remember. When you ask if they are FIT. Depends on what the meaning of FIT is! :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: Points well taken ! And of course, from their addled 'thinking', this is their idea of 'enlightened' conduct in their version of an 'ideal' Society ... The rest of us lead meaningful and productive lives. Where things get done. Where decency has meaning. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 808] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-25-2012 06:45 PM I edited for brevity and left clear links for people to make up their own minds. I also never suggested you wanted to impeach "4" justices. You know, when you're in the hole and you keep digging? It just gets deeper. EDIT: And yes, the premise of that thread was thoroughly debunked. 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http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/icons/icon1.png http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=587727#post587727) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amazing that you now agree with Anton's post after YOU having said the above comment " that it's stupid and pointless to bring it up".. when replying to me Quite contradictary but hey its you, so we expect that..-Tyr Look genius. things at play here I being stupid and pointless and wanting to see the transcripts. It's really that simple. In my first thread, I was "simply stupid." You then asked, "Why do you agree with obama keeping all that hidden??" I agree with keeping it hidden And you speak of integrity. :laugh: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- your quote above nothing added but edited for brevity.. :laugh2:--Tyr Last edited by fj1200; Yesterday at 09:46 PM. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 809] Author : tailfins Date : 10-25-2012 06:52 PM :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: Points well taken ! And of course, from their addled 'thinking', this is their idea of 'enlightened' conduct in their version of an 'ideal' Society ... The rest of us lead meaningful and productive lives. Where things get done. Where decency has meaning. Ironically, my end goal is one they I expect they support: To neutralize the terror threat against the US and its interest. However, their approach lacks focus. One way mammoth sized projects get completed is to reject distractions and extraneous information. If information is extraneous, testing its correctness is itself a distraction. An efficient system only tests correctness after filtering for relevance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 810] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-25-2012 07:03 PM :goodposting::goodposting::goodposting: Points well taken ! And of course, from their addled 'thinking', this is their idea of 'enlightened' conduct in their version of an 'ideal' Society ... The rest of us lead meaningful and productive lives. Where things get done. Where decency has meaning. Right my friend.... Where the TRUTH is valued and honored. Where it is not considered noise and a distraction.. I'll walk that path and others may as well but nobody can convince me that the TRUTH IS NOT TO BE HELD FIRST AND FOREMOST OR THAT IT SHOULD BE IGNORED BECAUSE ITS INCONVENIENT AND MAY HURT SOMEBODY'S FEELINGS!!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 811] Author : Kathianne Date : 10-25-2012 07:17 PM hahaha--you're getting funnier al the time---actually 9/11 really DID happen tho---the reason why is explained in bin laden's declarationof war. Have you read it ? So, are you agreeing in the main? Or are you saying that the US should stand down or should have stood down, because of this? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 812] Author : Kathianne Date : 10-25-2012 07:19 PM If they controlled all the Muslims I might be impressed-----that Bani Sadr guy in Iraq was sorta tough but none of them show the real leadership that I think Islam needs and that would be? Got a leader, cause I doubt they're going to follow you, Duck. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 813] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-25-2012 07:56 PM and that would be? Got a leader, cause I doubt they're going to follow you, Duck. Follow, hell Im ahead of him.. Many are praying for this Satan disciple to appear!-Tyr http://www.arewelivinginthelastdays.com/com/iran.html Iran, Ahmadinejad, & the 12th Imam Throughout time, there have been many evil madmen who cite their cause as reason to perform horrific acts upon his fellow man. In the recent past, Hitler comes to mind. Among other things, under the guise of ethnic cleansing (or the elimination of an “inferior race”) for the greater good. One example is Hitler, who killed many Jewish people in an attempt to eliminate through horrific gas chambers what he saw as an "inferior race." Jump forward to present day. The madman’s name is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president of Iran. He refers to Israelis and Americans are "Little Satan" and "Great Satan," since to radical Muslims, the term "Satan" refers to groups rather than a specific individual as Christians know. Christians know that a fallen angel, Lucifer, is Satan. To a lot of radical Muslims, Satan is groups of people, or countries, not an individual, hence the “Satan” labels he’s given to Israel and the United States. Ahmadinejad's potential weapons are even more horrific than Hilter's gas chambers in that they are capable of killing millions in minutes. His goal in doing this is to hail the Shiite Muslim's messiah, the 12th Imam. According to Islamic belief, an Imam is an anointed leader or ruler. Moreover, among the Islamic Shia, an Imam is believed to be a prayer leader or cleric who is anointed by the Islamic prophet Allah and a perfect example being able to lead mankind in every way. The 12th Imam, according to some Shia Muslims, is a great spiritual savior. This savior has a name; Muhammad al Mahdi. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dillo wants that --one great leader!! Right Dillo? :laugh:--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 814] Author : aboutime Date : 10-25-2012 10:07 PM Follow, hell Im ahead of him.. Many are praying for this Satan disciple to appear!-Tyr http://www.arewelivinginthelastdays.com/com/iran.html Iran, Ahmadinejad, & the 12th Imam Throughout time, there have been many evil madmen who cite their cause as reason to perform horrific acts upon his fellow man. In the recent past, Hitler comes to mind. Among other things, under the guise of ethnic cleansing (or the elimination of an “inferior race”) for the greater good. One example is Hitler, who killed many Jewish people in an attempt to eliminate through horrific gas chambers what he saw as an "inferior race." Jump forward to present day. The madman’s name is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president of Iran. He refers to Israelis and Americans are "Little Satan" and "Great Satan," since to radical Muslims, the term "Satan" refers to groups rather than a specific individual as Christians know. Christians know that a fallen angel, Lucifer, is Satan. To a lot of radical Muslims, Satan is groups of people, or countries, not an individual, hence the “Satan” labels he’s given to Israel and the United States. Ahmadinejad's potential weapons are even more horrific than Hilter's gas chambers in that they are capable of killing millions in minutes. His goal in doing this is to hail the Shiite Muslim's messiah, the 12th Imam. According to Islamic belief, an Imam is an anointed leader or ruler. Moreover, among the Islamic Shia, an Imam is believed to be a prayer leader or cleric who is anointed by the Islamic prophet Allah and a perfect example being able to lead mankind in every way. The 12th Imam, according to some Shia Muslims, is a great spiritual savior. This savior has a name; Muhammad al Mahdi. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dillo wants that --one great leader!! Right Dillo? :laugh:--Tyr NOTICE EVERYONE: Ahmadinejad...better known as Dinnerjacket IS the 12TH all right. Think of him while walking your dog down the street. And when your dog stops to Leave a little pile of turds. TWELVE TURDS to be exact. Then remember. All of that was deposited there as a tribute to the Little Devil Lookalike Ahmadinejad. Let No Good Iranian Turd Go to Waste. Ahmadinejad is the Iranian Pooper Scooper Champion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 815] Author : jafar00 Date : 10-26-2012 01:09 AM NOTICE EVERYONE: Ahmadinejad...better known as Dinnerjacket IS the 12TH all right. Think of him while walking your dog down the street. And when your dog stops to Leave a little pile of turds. TWELVE TURDS to be exact. Then remember. All of that was deposited there as a tribute to the Little Devil Lookalike Ahmadinejad. Let No Good Iranian Turd Go to Waste. Ahmadinejad is the Iranian Pooper Scooper Champion. Have you really descended into the murky depths of poop jokes? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 816] Author : red states rule Date : 10-26-2012 03:20 AM http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JFi2waTTDtA/0.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 817] Author : fj1200 Date : 10-26-2012 07:11 AM "edited for brevity" Dude, learn to quote, make an actual point, and throw the shovel out of the hole. We'll all be better off for it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 818] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-26-2012 08:07 AM and that would be? Got a leader, cause I doubt they're going to follow you, Duck. damn---and I was so hoping for a pied piper sorta thing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 819] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-26-2012 09:24 AM damn---and I was so hoping for a pied piper sorta thing. Or that 12th Imam sort of thingy, right?--:laugh: Which is as pied piper like as one can get. Right? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 820] Author : aboutime Date : 10-26-2012 03:08 PM Or that 12th Imam sort of thingy, right?--:laugh: Which is as pied piper like as one can get. Right? Pied Piper, 12th Imam....Both Leading all of the Deadliest Rats. Ahmadinejad's photo is in the KORAN, next to the definition of RAT. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 821] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-26-2012 05:09 PM Pied Piper, 12th Imam....Both Leading all of the Deadliest Rats. Ahmadinejad's photo is in the KORAN, next to the definition of RAT. I think they are all going to kill each other anyway. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 822] Author : jimnyc Date : 10-26-2012 05:30 PM I think they are all going to kill each other anyway. Which is what I am hoping for, save Israel, who is not actively seeking to eliminate anyone or individuals. Hopefully the rest will create terrorists exponentially and continue to blow one another up as they have been. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 823] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-26-2012 05:37 PM Which is what I am hoping for, save Israel, who is not actively seeking to eliminate anyone or individuals. Hopefully the rest will create terrorists exponentially and continue to blow one another up as they have been. They pretty actively sought out the Hamas leaders the other day. They can defend themselves quite well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 824] Author : jimnyc Date : 10-26-2012 05:41 PM They pretty actively sought out the Hamas leaders the other day. They can defend themselves quite well. Yep, never said they couldn't defend themselves against terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, who sent over 70 unprovoked rockets into Israel the other day. We can only hope that those groups would be destroyed and sent to Allah. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 825] Author : aboutime Date : 10-26-2012 05:42 PM I think they are all going to kill each other anyway. If they can do that without hurting, or killing Israeli's. I hope they all decide to do it soon. Just imagine the World headlines after that happens. "Peace in the Middle East. Ding, dong the Wicked Witch is Dead!" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 826] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-26-2012 07:15 PM If they can do that without hurting, or killing Israeli's. I hope they all decide to do it soon. Just imagine the World headlines after that happens. "Peace in the Middle East. Ding, dong the Wicked Witch is Dead!" How about civilians who don't live in Israel ? Are we back to hoping everyone in the mideast dies except for the Israelis ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 827] Author : aboutime Date : 10-26-2012 07:19 PM How about civilians who don't live in Israel ? Are we back to hoping everyone in the mideast dies except for the Israelis ? Dilloduck. A good SNIPER'S bullet, and aim. Rarely, if ever hit innocent civilians. No matter where they live. By the way. Only YOU used that expression here..."Are we back to hoping everyone in the mideast dies?" Aside from you. Who else suggested, or even said such a terrible thing? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 828] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-26-2012 07:28 PM Dilloduck. A good SNIPER'S bullet, and aim. Rarely, if ever hit innocent civilians. No matter where they live. By the way. Only YOU used that expression here..."Are we back to hoping everyone in the mideast dies?" Aside from you. Who else suggested, or even said such a terrible thing? The post before mine was only concerned about Israelis. They aren't using only sniper rifles but maybe you could offer that up as a suggestion. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 829] Author : aboutime Date : 10-26-2012 07:32 PM The post before mine was only concerned about Israelis. They aren't using only sniper rifles but maybe you could offer that up as a suggestion. Dilloduck. Making excuses for civilians who launch rockets, and carry shoulder mounted grenades, or walk into crowded zones of women and children....just to PUSH the button on their BOMB BELT....is not qualification enough to avoid....pretend civilians, who even hide behind children to avoid that SNIPER SHOT...they all deserve. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 830] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-26-2012 07:43 PM Dilloduck. Making excuses for civilians who launch rockets, and carry shoulder mounted grenades, or walk into crowded zones of women and children....just to PUSH the button on their BOMB BELT....is not qualification enough to avoid....pretend civilians, who even hide behind children to avoid that SNIPER SHOT...they all deserve. Ya ya --kill em all. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 831] Author : aboutime Date : 10-26-2012 07:45 PM Ya ya --kill em all. Now you really do sound like a Terrorist, Ahmed Dilloduck??? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 832] Author : jafar00 Date : 10-26-2012 09:38 PM http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JFi2waTTDtA/0.jpg Strange cartoon. Israel is the one with the big guns (made in USA) and the largest piece, not the Palestinians. Yep, never said they couldn't defend themselves against terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, who sent over 70 unprovoked rockets into Israel the other day. We can only hope that those groups would be destroyed and sent to Allah. Holding Gaza under siege for 5 years with regular incursions is not provocative? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 833] Author : aboutime Date : 10-26-2012 10:16 PM Strange cartoon. Israel is the one with the big guns (made in USA) and the largest piece, not the Palestinians. Holding Gaza under siege for 5 years with regular incursions is not provocative? jafar. Would you feel the same about such Strange Cartoons if the artist depicted HAMAS Rockets aimed at Israel...every day, every week, every month, and every year since 1946? That would be FACTUAL, and you wouldn't like it...would you? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 834] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-26-2012 11:12 PM Strange cartoon. Israel is the one with the big guns (made in USA) and the largest piece, not the Palestinians. Holding Gaza under siege for 5 years with regular incursions is not provocative? Iran doesnt want big guns they want some nukes. Nukes can murder millions in a flash! You are rooting for the wrong team. God will not allow his people(the Jews) to be utterly destroyed..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 835] Author : aboutime Date : 10-27-2012 12:37 PM Anyone notice how 'jafar' pops in, and pops out...depending on how much TRUTH he must respond to here? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 836] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-27-2012 02:12 PM Another example of somebody that gets it! http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/roth/121026 (http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/roth/121026) By Laurie Roth (http://www.debatepolicy.com/columns/roth) What encourages, inspires, guides, and promotes tyrannical and criminal expressions of Islam? Sharia Law, that's what! The bottom line is that Sharia Law is Islam's skeletal structure, their constitution and legal code. It works in concert with the daily declarations of clerics and imams who reflect the dictates and orders of the Koran and Sharia Law. There is nothing hidden with Sharia Law and the caliphate push of Islam behind it. It is a dictatorial, theocratic government control device meant to herd people like cattle — control, beat, and slaughter them, if necessary — for "orders" sake. Just some of the core values taught and enforced worldwide with Sharia Law include the following, which I have screamed about for years on my show and in other articles: * Those converting to another faith should be executed. * Islamic husbands can beat and rape their wives, marry many women, then divorce anyone of them for any reason. The wife cannot get out of her situation. She is trapped. * Gays are to be executed. * Rape victims are to be stoned if they do not have four supporting witnesses. * Sharia Law supports beatings and dismembering of body parts for a variety of offenses, including stealing. * You are to be killed if you criticize the prophet Mohammed. In the news just this year, Sharia Law has inspired tons of nightmares. I have heard of a couple sentenced to death in Pakistan because they danced and sang at a wedding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This woman gets it .... do you??--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 837] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-27-2012 02:35 PM Don't worry---it's illegal in America. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 838] Author : aboutime Date : 10-27-2012 02:42 PM Don't worry---it's illegal in America. Dilloduck. Now, you really do sound more like Obama, and Holder. Difference is. Despite anything they do being Illegal. They do it anyway, and tell people like you "Don't worry." That's exactly how they expect the uninformed, uneducated to react. You are just obeying Unlawful orders. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 839] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-27-2012 02:45 PM Don't worry---it's illegal in America. Not if you and other appeasors get your way ! It must be outlawed and faced with a united strong stand or else it will creep in . Just like it did in Britian.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 840] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-27-2012 03:16 PM http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/jacobs/121026 October 26, 2012 The Democratic Party, the enemy within & why Obama must go! http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/print_email_share.gif By Jake Jacobs (http://www.debatepolicy.com/columns/jacobs) This past week after my Academy and College teaching I headed off to Election 2012 Campaign events to participate in the Battle to keep our Republic from being destroyed by Barack Obama and his Progressive, Socialist, Collectivist BIG government minions who have lied their way into office and perpetuated deception upon deception attempting to dupe the American people into believing the Democratic Party is the Party of Life and Liberty. They are not! They are THE Party of DEATH, the Party of Roe v. Wade, the Party of slavery, the party of deficit and debt, the Party of appeasement to Militant Muslims, the party of 9/11 Libya cover-up, the party against Israel, the party of the ACLU, the party of political correctness, the party of illegal immigration, the party of reverse discrimination, the party of Hollywood, the party of the Elite media, the party of University professors, the party of abortion and contraceptive mandates & the Party of Communism. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Click the link and read more, this guy knows his stuff..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 841] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-27-2012 06:10 PM If Sharia Law ever becomes legal in the US, we deserve it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 842] Author : aboutime Date : 10-27-2012 06:53 PM If Sharia Law ever becomes legal in the US, we deserve it. What do you mean WE? You sound like such a coward. You'd welcome it to please your needs to remain dependent, and never need to be held responsible for anything in life by staying Poor, and Unsuccessful for the Master of your life...Government who will kill you, if you disobey. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 843] Author : Drummond Date : 10-28-2012 12:22 PM If Sharia Law ever becomes legal in the US, we deserve it. An interesting assertion. One that Sharia Law supporters (i.e Muslims) would happily echo. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 844] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-28-2012 12:33 PM If Sharia Law ever becomes legal in the US, we deserve it. I could speculate on your reason, but can you just tell us why you feel this way? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 845] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-28-2012 12:46 PM I could speculate on your reason, but can you just tell us why you feel this way? Because we have every available tool prevent it. If we don't use them ------. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 846] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 10-28-2012 12:51 PM Because we have every available tool prevent it. If we don't use them ------. Wouldn't you consider public awareness of the potential problem to be one available tool? If so, you should be happy to see all the threads here about it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 847] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-28-2012 12:53 PM Because we have every available tool prevent it. If we don't use them ------. No, we only have the Constitution and thats under attack daily by our government. IF YOU MAINTAIN WE HAVE GREATER OR OTHER TOOLS THEN PLEASE LIST THEM. FORIi SEE NOTHING BUT THE CONSITUTION WHICH SUPPORTS OUR RULE OF LAW ! EVEN SCOTUS CAN BE IGNORED BY EXECUTIVE ORDERS, OBAMA HAS PROVEN THAT ALREADY. We need a united front, ironclad laws and active engagement against their subversion.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 848] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-28-2012 01:08 PM No, we only have the Constitution and thats under attack daily by our government. IF YOU MAINTAIN WE HAVE GREATER OR OTHER TOOLS THEN PLEASE LIST THEM. FORIi SEE NOTHING BUT THE CONSITUTION WHICH SUPPORTS OUR RULE OF LAW ! EVEN SCOTUS CAN BE IGNORED BY EXECUTIVE ORDERS, OBAMA HAS PROVEN THAT ALREADY. We need a united front, ironclad laws and active engagement against their subversion.-Tyr We are the government-----We're responsible. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 849] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-28-2012 01:27 PM We are the government-----We're responsible. The majority of citizens did not want the Healthcare crap that was forced upon us. How did that work out given your quoted declaration above? Government can and often does go against the best interests of "we the people". Sharia law and that must not happen! For there will be total destruction should it ever happen..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 850] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-28-2012 01:49 PM The majority of citizens did not want the Healthcare crap that was forced upon us. How did that work out given your quoted declaration above? Government can and often does go against the best interests of "we the people". Sharia law and that must not happen! For there will be total destruction should it ever happen..-Tyr Whose fault is it when the government acts against the will of the people ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 851] Author : jimnyc Date : 10-28-2012 03:07 PM Because we have every available tool prevent it. If we don't use them ------. Wouldn't you consider public awareness of the potential problem to be one available tool? If so, you should be happy to see all the threads here about it. We are the government-----We're responsible. Sounds like a yes to me! And we very well should make every citizen aware of any potential conflicts with our laws and the constitution and any shariah law coming into America at all. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 852] Author : jafar00 Date : 10-28-2012 05:04 PM What do you mean WE? You sound like such a coward. You'd welcome it to please your needs to remain dependent, and never need to be held responsible for anything in life by staying Poor, and Unsuccessful for the Master of your life...Government who will kill you, if you disobey. That happens with any tyranny. No need for dodgy Sharia interpretation for that. All you need is a good tinpot dictator who is willing to kill anyone who doesn't agree with him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmLh1sSFs8Y -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 853] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-28-2012 06:25 PM Whose fault is it when the government acts against the will of the people ? Once upon a time it was the people's fault but now its the government's fault because they wield such great power now and the Executive branch (one man) has shown that to be the case. With obama's actions its been brought out clearly into the light of day and can no longer be ignored! For it looks to be the case that only a revolution can stop the government from becoming a dictatorship if obama is not sent packing and pronto! This election will be the deciding factor if we remain an Representative Republic based upon our Constitution or a third world hellhole based upon what obama envisions for our nation. He got elected but he didnt get voted to be dictator. Even Ceasor found out that too damn far is just too damn far! Obama's agenda and attitude would put that of CEASOR'S TO SHAME IMHO. He fails to realise trhat we actually still have patriots and his asshat, liberal, communist loving supporters are not the majority! Since he is a damn traitor , he is not my president. F--HIM.. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 854] Author : aboutime Date : 10-28-2012 06:53 PM We are the government-----We're responsible. Not according to the Democrats and Obama. The WE THE PEOPLE thing is just something like the Constitution, that get's in the way of Liberal, Democrat, Progressive politicians who Ignore, and Disobey that document because THEY SAY...They are the Government, and WE THE PEOPLE should always DO AS THEY SAY. True we put them in office. But they know how to cheat to get there...despite how we vote. Best example. BARRACK H. OBAMA. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 855] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-28-2012 07:45 PM Once upon a time it was the people's fault but now its the government's fault because they wield such great power now and the Executive branch (one man) has shown that to be the case. With obama's actions its been brought out clearly into the light of day and can no longer be ignored! For it looks to be the case that only a revolution can stop the government from becoming a dictatorship if obama is not sent packing and pronto! This election will be the deciding factor if we remain an Representative Republic based upon our Constitution or a third world hellhole based upon what obama envisions for our nation. He got elected but he didnt get voted to be dictator. Even Ceasor found out that too damn far is just too damn far! Obama's agenda and attitude would put that of CEASOR'S TO SHAME IMHO. He fails to realise trhat we actually still have patriots and his asshat, liberal, communist loving supporters are not the majority! Since he is a damn traitor , he is not my president. F--HIM.. -Tyr Better stick with the revolution idea. Denial doesn't work. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 856] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-28-2012 08:38 PM Better stick with the revolution idea. Denial doesn't work. I am not the one in denial.. I see all too clearly. You attempt to belittle it all, so the denial lies with you. I take a stand openly and without fear. I spit into the eye of all that Islam stands for. How many others can and do openly make that stand? I dont play.. I am the kind of enemy that they fear the most. The kind that seeks to exspose them by putting the TRUTH out there for others to see and understand..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 857] Author : aboutime Date : 10-28-2012 09:23 PM Better stick with the revolution idea. Denial doesn't work. Dilloduck. Odd that you, of all people would come here to talk to us about Denial not working. We've all know it hasn't worked for you, or anyone who supports Obama since he denied Lying...despite all the proof to the contrary. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 858] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-29-2012 03:42 PM Dilloduck. Odd that you, of all people would come here to talk to us about Denial not working. We've all know it hasn't worked for you, or anyone who supports Obama since he denied Lying...despite all the proof to the contrary. I'm not an Obama supporter--you really need to work on facts. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 859] Author : red states rule Date : 10-29-2012 03:45 PM I'm not an Obama supporter--you really need to work on facts. You do love terrorists, have a hard on for terrorists - so why not suport Obama and complete the trifecta? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 860] Author : aboutime Date : 10-29-2012 05:32 PM I'm not an Obama supporter--you really need to work on facts. Okay Dilloduck. If you are not an Obama supporter. Maybe today is the day you should actually try to prove that to everyone else here, who have been given the impression, and shown proof..by your words. That you are now LYING to all of us. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 861] Author : Missileman Date : 10-29-2012 05:52 PM Okay Dilloduck. If you are not an Obama supporter. Maybe today is the day you should actually try to prove that to everyone else here, who have been given the impression, and shown proof..by your words. That you are now LYING to all of us. Not everyone who disagrees with some of the crap you post is an Obama supporter...grow up! Here's a novel idea...how about YOU post links to the posts of Dillo's that show support for Obama or Obama's policies. ...Bullshit argument of why you shouldn't have to in 3...2...1 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 862] Author : aboutime Date : 10-29-2012 05:54 PM Not everyone who disagrees with some of the crap you post is an Obama supporter...grow up! Here's a novel idea...how about YOU post links to the posts of Dillo's that show support for Obama or Obama's policies. ...Bullshit argument of why you shouldn't have to in 3...2...1 I got a better, novel idea. You and Dilloduck become kissin cousins, and all of your problems go away. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 863] Author : Missileman Date : 10-29-2012 05:58 PM I got a better, novel idea. You and Dilloduck become kissin cousins, and all of your problems go away. I had your chicken shit ass pegged to almost the second! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 864] Author : aboutime Date : 10-29-2012 06:01 PM I had your chicken shit ass pegged to almost the second! Good for you. Now that you cleared that up for yourself. What's next? Show us how easily someone who Pegs Chickenshit works. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 865] Author : Missileman Date : 10-29-2012 06:11 PM Good for you. Now that you cleared that up for yourself. What's next? Show us how easily someone who Pegs Chickenshit works. I'm certain that posts 861 and 863 demonstrated how easy it is. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 866] Author : aboutime Date : 10-29-2012 06:14 PM I'm certain that posts 861 and 863 demonstrated how easy it is. If you insist. Now what would you like to prove? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 867] Author : 007 Date : 10-29-2012 06:17 PM If you insist. Now what would you like to prove? No one needs to prove anything to you, until you prove something yourself! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 868] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-30-2012 06:33 PM This is why I take my stand!!!! THIS IS WHAT THEY WILL DO HERE! DONT KID YOURSELF THAT IT CAN NOT EVER HAPPEN HERE!--TYR http://islam-watch.org/authors/65-khan/1183-my-paradise-lost-thanks-to-muslims-australian-granny.html A 70-year-old Australian granny write to explaining how her home, which she deemed her paradise, has been lost, thanks to Muslim immigrants. Here's her story:I am a 69-year-old grandma, 5 foot 1 inch tall.One day, I was in a Big W store and the loudspeaker said rails of cloths at chuck out price, so I walked over. A six-foot man pushed me into the racks as I went to get something, I just managed to save myself as a lady caught me from behind.I said, "Excuse me, what do you think your are doing?" He replied, "I want clothes." I said, "So do I. Where are you from?" He said, "Afghanistan".I said, "Well, in this country, people do NOT push little old ladies about." He bent down and said to me, "when we take over and we will. I will remember your face. I will have you buried up to your neck and stoned to death. Now get out my way." And he just started grabbing everything, people just got out his way, he was like a man possessed.On another day, walking in our town centre going up to the cathedral, I came across some Middle Eastern men formed a chain across the pavement. I had to walk into the oncoming traffic, and as I did, they spat at my feet.On another occasion, going to a government office, I had to walk through this chopping centre plaza, a district that has been taken over by Muslims and Africans. As I was walking, they started jutting their chins up at me and yelling in their language. The security man walked me back to the shops on the other side. As I got in my car I notices a black man about nearly 7-feet tall, a giant, his eyes were bulging. He had a big leather belt and was slapping it in his palm. I locked my doors and stared the engine. He was coming for me. I just went. Had I knocked him over, I would have kept going.At my library, there were tons of blacks people. Some Muslims came to the hall next door, I was sitting, ordering a book from the library girl. A young black kid came in and punched the back of my chair so hard that it nearly knocked my chair over. He laughed and walked away.The girl said, "Hey you!" I said, "NO, don't. If you do, he will wait for me when I get out."My life in my beloved country is over, they have won, Australia as we knew no longer exists! How I weep, my paradise gone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ IF THAT WERE MY GRANDMOTHER THERE WOULD BE A COUPLE DEAD MUSLIMS LYING ABOUT AUSTRALIA RIGHT NOW... WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE AUSSIE MEN!!! -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 869] Author : aboutime Date : 10-30-2012 07:02 PM No one needs to prove anything to you, until you prove something yourself! Children should still be seen, and not heard. Now. Prove something about Yourself. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 870] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-31-2012 09:31 AM Do not think that they just bomb, murder and maim. They fight total war. They use political influence to cost opponents their jobs ! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20133850 India: Kashmir protests after Facebook 'slur' http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63790000/jpg/_63790626_63790625.jpg Authorities shut down a Facebook page allegedly containing morphed pictures Continue reading the main story (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#story_continues_1) Related Stories Anti-film protests hit Kashmir (http://www.debatepolicy.com/news/world-asia-india-19633226) Muslims in Indian-administered Kashmir have protested against Facebook posts which they say insult Islam. Police have arrested three people, all Hindus, from the Kishtwar district for allegedly running a "campaign" against Islam on the social networking site. Two of the men are government teachers. Authorities said they had been dismissed from their jobs. Police were put on alert after Muslim leaders called for a shutdown in the valley on Tuesday. On Monday Muslim protestors clashed with relatives of the three men who allegedly put up the Facebook posts in Kishtwar, Doda and Bhaderwah districts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This will soon be happening here. Facebook just recently started enforcing its on censorship policy and you can bet CAIR applied pressure for it to do so. Muslims in USA are already trying to get blasphemy laws enacted.!!! The muslims ally with socialists/leftists and together they use intimidation to get officials to yield. America is not immuned. This is a warning of what we will face on a massive scale in the future. Recent arrests in Britain of opponents(EDL) of the muslim scourge there POINT TO HOW THEY GET GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO YIELD AND HELP THEM DESTROY OPPOSITION TO THIER AGENDA. Another reason that I take my stand..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 871] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-31-2012 01:06 PM How do we stop it? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 872] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-31-2012 05:03 PM How do we stop it? We do not stop it by pretending its not a real problem. I suggest first step is to be pro-active against the Islamist agenda. We can do that by passing laws specificly aimed at stopping Sharia law . Sharia law is what they will seek to supplant our laws with. They do that everywhere they go. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 873] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-31-2012 05:25 PM We do not stop it by pretending its not a real problem. I suggest first step is to be pro-active against the Islamist agenda. We can do that by passing laws specificly aimed at stopping Sharia law . Sharia law is what they will seek to supplant our laws with. They do that everywhere they go. --Tyr All we have to do is enforce the laws that we already have on the books. If we can't or won't do that we are screwed anyway. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 874] Author : aboutime Date : 10-31-2012 05:33 PM All we have to do is enforce the laws that we already have on the books. If we can't or won't do that we are screwed anyway. Who would you suggest be appointed to ENFORCE the present laws already in effect? Obviously. Obama and Holder cannot be trusted, or depended upon to enforce, follow, or even recognize the laws they are systematically breaking, and ignoring. So...Dilloduck. Any suggestions? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 875] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-31-2012 08:41 PM Who would you suggest be appointed to ENFORCE the present laws already in effect? Obviously. Obama and Holder cannot be trusted, or depended upon to enforce, follow, or even recognize the laws they are systematically breaking, and ignoring. So...Dilloduck. Any suggestions? We elect people in America. When a law is broken there is a process to be followed. If that doesn't happen we better look at the people we elect or the parties that finance them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 876] Author : aboutime Date : 10-31-2012 08:49 PM We elect people in America. When a law is broken there is a process to be followed. If that doesn't happen we better look at the people we elect or the parties that finance them. I didn't elect HOLDER. The A.G. of the U.S. Obama appointed him. And we all know. Both Holder, and Obama have broken, if not ignored the U.S. Constitution, and the Laws BOTH are sworn to Obey, and Protect. Seems a little late to use the excuse "better look at the people we elect"...don't you think? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 877] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-31-2012 09:05 PM All we have to do is enforce the laws that we already have on the books. If we can't or won't do that we are screwed anyway. Part of that is true.. Yet we need to address this problem with a united strong front early on. Too little too late will not do when it comes to this destructive menace.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 878] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-31-2012 09:27 PM Part of that is true.. Yet we need to address this problem with a united strong front early on. Too little too late will not do when it comes to this destructive menace.-Tyr I'm all ears----how do we address this problem with a united strong front ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 879] Author : Dilloduck Date : 10-31-2012 09:34 PM I didn't elect HOLDER. The A.G. of the U.S. Obama appointed him. And we all know. Both Holder, and Obama have broken, if not ignored the U.S. Constitution, and the Laws BOTH are sworn to Obey, and Protect. Seems a little late to use the excuse "better look at the people we elect"...don't you think? It's the only "excuse" we have. How do you suggest we proceed ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 880] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-31-2012 10:04 PM I'm all ears----how do we address this problem with a united strong front ? First we educate the American citizenry to the great danger and why it must be actively opposed . As of now most Americans havent a clue to just how serious it is and that thanks to our government covering it up--an agenda they have that points to another dire threat but that has little to do with Islam itself, other than the alliance made. We simply must make it the primary focus of the Republican party and its candidates . After all it truly is about our very survival. So its not like we are wanting to push a side issue to the forefront. Having made the public aware we then proceed to pass stronger laws to limit Islam in our nation. Since Islam is a quasi militant political /religious entity it should not get all the religious rights other religions here enjoy. By that I mean its political arm/Sharia law should not enjoy such protection. Sharia law must be outlawed and anybody practicing or endorsing it should be immediately jailed. Thats what the end result must be.. Notice that I stated only Sharia law only not Islam in general. That distinction is very relevant !! -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 881] Author : fj1200 Date : 11-01-2012 07:35 AM We can do that by passing laws specificly aimed at stopping Sharia law . QUICK, ratify the Constitution... Phew. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 882] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-01-2012 07:50 AM QUICK, ratify the Constitution... Phew. Snide remarks reveal your bias and lack of understanding of the problem. I expected no less. By the way ,send that comment to your boy obama that seems to think it hasnt ever been ratified .. . Your boy because you cleverly defend him by belittling strong opposition to him. I see it and do not care that others may not see it. I've seen how socalled enlightened moderates have actually defended leftist policies for decades. You are no exception.. You play games here and wear a false image.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 883] Author : fj1200 Date : 11-01-2012 08:03 AM Snide remarks reveal your bias and lack of understanding of the problem. I expected no less. By the way ,send that comment to your boy obama that seems to think it hasnt ever been ratified .. . Your boy because you cleverly defend him by belittling strong opposition to him. I see it and do not care that others may not see it. I've seen how socalled enlightened moderates have actually defended leftist policies for decades. You are no exception.. You play games here and wear a false image.-Tyr :laugh: You slay bro'. It's funny how only your "understanding" is understanding. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 884] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-01-2012 08:15 AM :laugh: You slay bro'. It's funny how only your "understanding" is understanding. No, what is funny is how you dismiss my linked facts and so often spin away from the topic to make snide remarks about me. Especially when those facts shoot your usual deluded sense of moderation and appeasement all to hell. You are the exactly type that learn to keep their mouths shut during WW2 BECAUSE IF THEY DIDNT SOME REAL PATRIOT TAUGHT THEM HOW TO. Your false image here gives you no cover with me. Thats what keeps you so pissed and what I find to be a real treasure...-TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 885] Author : fj1200 Date : 11-01-2012 08:20 AM No, what is funny is how you dismiss my linked facts and so often spin away from the topic to make snide remarks about me. Especially when those facts shoot your usual deluded sense of moderation and appeasement all to hell. You are the exactly type that learn to keep their mouths shut during WW2 BECAUSE IF THEY DIDNT SOME REAL PATRIOT TAUGHT THEM HOW TO. Your false image here gives you no cover with me. Thats what keeps you so pissed and what I find to be a real treasure...-TYR 1. Which of your linked facts did I dismiss? 2. I'm not pissed, I'm amused. 3. Everything in the middle is not very well expressed as a coherent thought relevant to the topic. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 886] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-01-2012 08:38 AM 1. Which of your linked facts did I dismiss? Apparently all of them given your , "QUICK, ratify the Constitution" comment.. Your words, clearly indicating that we already have all the protection we need. A position that indicates you havent got a damn clue but think your supposed great enlightenment supersedes all. I usually find that arrogance to be funny but in this case its just pathetic..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 887] Author : fj1200 Date : 11-01-2012 08:46 AM Apparently all of them given your , "QUICK, ratify the Constitution" comment.. Your words, clearly indicating that we already have all the protection we need. A position that indicates you havent got a damn clue but think your supposed great enlightenment supersedes all. I usually find that arrogance to be funny but in this case its just pathetic..-Tyr That's a bit vague isn't it? You should be able to detail which of them I've dismissed if you're going to make the claim. And yes, we have all the protection that we need; "Congress shall make no law...," Incorporation, and all that Constitutional stuff. Oh, and of course eternal vigilance that is always required. Will points 2 and 3 be forthcoming? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 888] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-01-2012 09:12 AM That's a bit vague isn't it? You should be able to detail which of them I've dismissed if you're going to make the claim. And yes, we have all the protection that we need; "Congress shall make no law...," Incorporation, and all that Constitutional stuff. Oh, and of course eternal vigilance that is always required. Will points 2 and 3 be forthcoming? Sorry, can not read your small print..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 889] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-01-2012 09:14 AM First we educate the American citizenry to the great danger and why it must be actively opposed . As of now most Americans havent a clue to just how serious it is and that thanks to our government covering it up--an agenda they have that points to another dire threat but that has little to do with Islam itself, other than the alliance made. We simply must make it the primary focus of the Republican party and its candidates . After all it truly is about our very survival. So its not like we are wanting to push a side issue to the forefront. Having made the public aware we then proceed to pass stronger laws to limit Islam in our nation. Since Islam is a quasi militant political /religious entity it should not get all the religious rights other religions here enjoy. By that I mean its political arm/Sharia law should not enjoy such protection. Sharia law must be outlawed and anybody practicing or endorsing it should be immediately jailed. Thats what the end result must be.. Notice that I stated only Sharia law only not Islam in general. That distinction is very relevant !! -Tyr Why make it only a Republican issue and why deny the religion equal protection when it is only Sharia law that you are afraid of ? Sharia law and any religious law is superceded by COTUS already. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 890] Author : fj1200 Date : 11-01-2012 09:24 AM Sorry, can not read your small print..-Tyr I have heard that a lack of logic and rational thought is first symptomatic in being unable to read. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 891] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-01-2012 09:25 AM Why make it only a Republican issue and why deny the religion equal protection when it is only Sharia law that you are afraid of ? Sharia law and any religious law is superceded by COTUS already. It will be a Republican only issue because the dem party and its libs/leftists have allied with the muslims. ALLIED WITH THE ENEMY WHICH THEY SO OFTEN DO! We need more specific laws in this case because the Constitution is so open to interpretation and SCOTUS should be a safeguard of last resort not first! Preemption being preferable to remedy after the fact.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 892] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-01-2012 09:30 AM I have heard that a lack of logic and rational thought is first symptomatic in being unable to read. Obvious that you only --heard it-- and did not read it , because you know firsthand just how true it is!-:laugh2:-Tyr Now are you done issuing lame insults , because I can beat you at that too.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 893] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-01-2012 09:33 AM It will be a Republican only issue because the dem party and its libs/leftists have allied with the muslims. ALLIED WITH THE ENEMY WHICH THEY SO OFTEN DO! We need more specific laws in this case because the Constitution is so open to interpretation and SCOTUS should be a safeguard of last resort not first! Preemption being preferable to remedy after the fact.-Tyr Specific laws can be ignored just as easily as general ones. and please link to where democrats support Sharia law. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 894] Author : fj1200 Date : 11-01-2012 09:37 AM Obvious that you only --heard it-- and did not read it , because you know firsthand just how true it is!-:laugh2:-Tyr Now are you done issuing lame insults , because I can beat you at that too.-Tyr Yeah, that was a good one, I only "heard" it. :rolleyes: You do, however, win at self delusion... so, congratulations. :2up: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 895] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-01-2012 10:17 AM Specific laws can be ignored just as easily as general ones. and please link to where democrats support Sharia law. So you say... I guess we should always shoot for more vague laws then , right?-:laugh: What is becoming more and more obvious is that you prefer to deal with the problem after it becomes bigger and has caused more suffering. The big question is why you prefer that.. As prevention is always preferable to any cure! Do you work for CAIR?? SERIOUS QUESTION... --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 896] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-01-2012 10:30 AM So you say... I guess we should always shoot for more vague laws then , right?-:laugh: What is becoming more and more obvious is that you prefer to deal with the problem after it becomes bigger and has caused more suffering. The big question is why you prefer that.. As prevention is always preferable to any cure! Do you work for CAIR?? SERIOUS QUESTION... --Tyr Yes and I'm Bin laden's son too seeking to impose Sharia law on the whole world !! MUAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA Geeze dude----get a clue. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 897] Author : aboutime Date : 11-01-2012 02:40 PM Specific laws can be ignored just as easily as general ones. and please link to where democrats support Sharia law. Dilloduck. Consult with Debbie Wasserman Schultz, spokeperson from the DNC who represents Obama, who silently HOPES to CHANGE American lives by ignoring our laws, and Constitution...in order to BOLSTER the Muslim Brotherhood techniques of Destroy, Destroy, and Destroy....FROM WITHIN. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 898] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-01-2012 03:52 PM Dilloduck. Consult with Debbie Wasserman Schultz, spokeperson from the DNC who represents Obama, who silently HOPES to CHANGE American lives by ignoring our laws, and Constitution...in order to BOLSTER the Muslim Brotherhood techniques of Destroy, Destroy, and Destroy....FROM WITHIN. Just link me to where the DNC supports Sharia Law. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 899] Author : aboutime Date : 11-01-2012 03:57 PM Just link me to where the DNC supports Sharia Law. No need to supply a link for you. The DNC would never allow such instructions to become public. But since you asked. Study a little of OBAMA. Read his books, and be surprised to learn something you and others constantly have denied about him. Get back to us when you see WHO the real fools are. Then, create an HONEST link for yourself. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 900] Author : Missileman Date : 11-01-2012 04:51 PM Now are you done issuing lame insults , because I can beat you at that too.-Tyr There is absolutely no doubt that you are the king of lame insults...sorry fj1200, but Tyr wins. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 901] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-01-2012 05:51 PM There is absolutely no doubt that you are the king of lame insults...sorry fj1200, but Tyr wins. How about that promised visit bluffboy. Lameass threats that are then welched on are far worse IMHO.. Candyasses never face up to those that call their bluffs.-:laugh:- Looks to me like I won that one too.. :laugh2:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 902] Author : Missileman Date : 11-01-2012 07:44 PM How about that promised visit bluffboy. Lameass threats that are then welched on are far worse IMHO.. Candyasses never face up to those that call their bluffs.-:laugh:- Looks to me like I won that one too.. :laugh2:-Tyr You are still assuming too much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 903] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-01-2012 08:00 PM You are still assuming too much. Feel free to prove it anytime since its entirely your choice to make but know that your reception if you make that drastic mistake will teach you the errors of your ways.. I dont play around about such business..consider that as a gentle warning.. You know I posted a thread in the steelcage about all this , but Abbey closed it.. How about we start another thread there instead of you trying to shit on my threads up here like you've been doing.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 904] Author : Missileman Date : 11-01-2012 09:09 PM Feel free to prove it anytime since its entirely your choice to make but know that your reception if you make that drastic mistake will teach you the errors of your ways.. I dont play around about such business..consider that as a gentle warning.. You know I posted a thread in the steelcage about all this , but Abbey closed it.. How about we start another thread there instead of you trying to shit on my threads up here like you've been doing.-Tyr If someone disagrees with you, you bitch. If someone agrees with you, you bitch. You claimed you would beat fj1200 in a lame insult contest, I stuck up for you, and now you accuse my of shitting on your thread? WTF? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 905] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-01-2012 10:03 PM If someone disagrees with you, you bitch. If someone agrees with you, you bitch. You claimed you would beat fj1200 in a lame insult contest, I stuck up for you, and now you accuse my of shitting on your thread? WTF? Best move you'd ever make would be to agree with me. I doubt if you have the "smarts" to ever truly do that but hey ,miracles do happen..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 906] Author : fj1200 Date : 11-02-2012 05:37 AM There is absolutely no doubt that you are the king of lame insults...sorry fj1200, but Tyr wins. Bummer, three internets have already been deleted from my account. :( -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 907] Author : aboutime Date : 11-02-2012 12:52 PM If someone disagrees with you, you bitch. If someone agrees with you, you bitch. You claimed you would beat fj1200 in a lame insult contest, I stuck up for you, and now you accuse my of shitting on your thread? WTF? Missileman. You should go back and read most of your own posts here. Then tell us about Bitching, and being Lame. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 908] Author : Missileman Date : 11-02-2012 02:16 PM Missileman. You should go back and read most of your own posts here. Then tell us about Bitching, and being Lame. You still reign supreme in the baseless accusations arena. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 909] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 11-02-2012 03:13 PM Feel free to prove it anytime since its entirely your choice to make but know that your reception if you make that drastic mistake will teach you the errors of your ways.. I dont play around about such business..consider that as a gentle warning.. You know I posted a thread in the steelcage about all this , but Abbey closed it.. How about we start another thread there instead of you trying to shit on my threads up here like you've been doing.-Tyr Feel free to have at it in the Cage, but we will not tolerate threats. If someone threatens you or yours in a PM, please report it to staff and we will deal with it. Thank you for trying to contain these things in the Cage, though. That is what we are trying to accomplish. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 910] Author : Missileman Date : 11-02-2012 03:18 PM Feel free to have at it in the Cage, but we will not tolerate threats. If someone threatens you or yours in a PM, please report it to staff and we will deal with it. Thank you for trying to contain these things in the Cage, though. That is what we are trying to accomplish. No idea why you'd be thanking him...it was his threatening posts that shut down two steel cages threads. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 911] Author : aboutime Date : 11-02-2012 04:29 PM You still reign supreme in the baseless accusations arena. Darn. And here I was getting the impression that ONLY YOU fit that description. Maybe you should try telling somebody who cares. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 912] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 11-02-2012 04:49 PM No idea why you'd be thanking him...it was his threatening posts that shut down two steel cages threads. For taking the matter to the Cage, instead of all over substantive threads. If that is not what he did, I stand corrected. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 913] Author : Drummond Date : 11-03-2012 09:50 AM Just link me to where the DNC supports Sharia Law. I thought I'd take this challenge up .. Though Aboutime's answer to you is doubtless correct, even I - who by no stretch of the imagination can be called 'expert' on American politics - well know that Lefties are highly sympathetic to Muslim causes. A certain Ken Livingstone, former London mayor, invited one Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi to London, as a guest of the city, more than once (!!) .. and this character had particularly hardline Muslim views. See .. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3888419.stm London Mayor Ken Livingstone has invited a Muslim cleric, whose trip to Britain triggered a heated controversy, to come back later this year. Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi came under attack after describing Palestinian suicide bombers in Israel as "martyrs". But the Crown Prosecution Service later said that there was not enough evidence to justify prosecuting him on the grounds of his speeches. Mr Livingstone apologised to his guest and branded the criticism "hysteria". Speaking on Monday at a conference in London's City Hall on Islamic women's right to wear the hijab or headscarf, the mayor said: "On behalf of the people of London, I would like to apologise to the Sheikh for the outburst of xenophobia in sections of the media. "It is not the first time it has happened," he continued. This is what Leftie trash get up to 'in the name of the People (.. whether or not the People are at all likely to approve ..). So, now to American politics. What HAVE the Democrats been up to ? http://citizensagainstsharia.wordpress.com/ Ingrid Mattson was invited to speak at the Democratic Convention in Denver. She is president of the Islamic Society of North America, a large organization linked (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6178) to the Muslim Brotherhood, which is waging “a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah’s religion is made victorious over all other religions,” according to the MB’s own words (http://www.investigativeproject.org/document/id/20). The ISNA was also named as an unindicted co-conspirator (http://jihadwatch.org/archives/021773.php) in a Hamas terror funding case last year. Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch lists (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022342.php) 17 specific items which show Mattson to be a Jihad sympathizer and an Islamic Supremacist, each backed up by quotes and sources. I consider this post by Spencer to be a must-read article. .. Mattson praises the Jihadist, Maududi: “…. So far, probably the best work of Tafseer [Quranic commentary] in English is by Maulana Abul A’la Maududi.’” Spencer gives several examples of Maududi’s own writing which show Maududi fully supports offensive Jihad warfare and the worldwide imposition of Sharia. http://frontpagemag.com/2012/laura-l-rubenfeld/democrats-embrace-siraj-wahhaj-supporter-of-cop-killer-al-qaeda-and-hamas/ In just a few days, the Democratic National Convention “kick off events” week will include its first ever “Jumah (Arabic for gathering) at the DNC” – three Islamic-centered events beginning with a Friday afternoon prayer and sermon, an evening Islamic banquet and an all-day Islamic festival. Many of the individuals scheduled to speak during the DNC week have extremely spurious backgrounds, including, astonishingly, support for Al Qaeda and for the U.S. State Department-designated terrorist organization, Hamas. The celebrity Imam or “Grand Imam” slated for the event is Imam Siraj Wahhaj .... As this article will demonstrate, Wahhaj has a thirty-year, well-documented history of supporting terror and preaching religious and racial intolerance against Americans. For decades, Wahhaj has preached violence and insurrection against the U.S. with the goal of replacing the Constitution with shari’ah law, as the law of the land. “Wherever you came from, you came to America. And you came for one reason- for one reason only- to establish Allah’s deen [Islam as a complete way of life], as a servant of Allah.” -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 914] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-03-2012 10:25 AM Not exactly an unbiased source there Drum. Notice how todays date is in the header and the date of the article is Aug 29th ? I'm sure there are are some extreme leftists wackos dealing with some nuts but I still haven't seen Sharia Law supported by the DNC platform. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 915] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-03-2012 12:58 PM Not exactly an unbiased source there Drum. Notice how todays date is in the header and the date of the article is Aug 29th ? I'm sure there are are some extreme leftists wackos dealing with some nuts but I still haven't seen Sharia Law supported by the DNC platform. Thats not a refutation of his proof and do you deny that the DNC HAS EMBRACED THE MUSLIM AGENDA? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 916] Author : aboutime Date : 11-03-2012 01:12 PM Thats not a refutation of his proof and do you deny that the DNC HAS EMBRACED THE MUSLIM AGENDA? Nobody in the DNC, being lead by Debbie Wasserman Schultz...in the name of Obama is smart enough to REFUTE anything since. They have no idea what that word means. It took them twenty years just for Jesse Jackson to introduce, and hold classes for the un-educated, on how to spell DISENFRANCHISED. Besides. It would be dishonest for any Democrat to Refute, what everyone else knows to be the Truth. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 917] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-03-2012 01:31 PM Thats not a refutation of his proof and do you deny that the DNC HAS EMBRACED THE MUSLIM AGENDA? assets.dstatic.org/dnc-platform/2012-National-Platform.pdf Doesn't say a thing about supporting the Muslim Agenda. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 918] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-03-2012 06:52 PM assets.dstatic.org/dnc-platform/2012-National-Platform.pdf Doesn't say a thing about supporting the Muslim Agenda. Dude, if a man invited KKK members to his house for a party and planned special festivities for them you can bet your ass he has no problem with their damn agenda. Doesnt mean he announces it to others or writes it down somewhere. Drummond posted the info about the muslims invitation and the religious festivities set up with and specificly for the muslims. You arent this damn dense but you often pretend to not see as a tactic. Intentional blindness is also a tactic Jafar uses often. Interesting that you use it so often as well.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 919] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-03-2012 07:54 PM Dude, if a man invited KKK members to his house for a party and planned special festivities for them you can bet your ass he has no problem with their damn agenda. Doesnt mean he announces it to others or writes it down somewhere. Drummond posted the info about the muslims invitation and the religious festivities set up with and specificly for the muslims. You arent this damn dense but you often pretend to not see as a tactic. Intentional blindness is also a tactic Jafar uses often. Interesting that you use it so often as well.-Tyr Politicians will lie about anything for votes and NONE has embraced Sharia Law. ZERO. To claim the DNC supports Sharia Law and is being really sneaky about it is pure nonsense. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 920] Author : aboutime Date : 11-03-2012 08:40 PM Politicians will lie about anything for votes and NONE has embraced Sharia Law. ZERO. To claim the DNC supports Sharia Law and is being really sneaky about it is pure nonsense. Exactly Dilloduck. Now you know why most of us call the DNC, and Obama SNEAKY. But it's not pure nonsense. If it was. You wouldn't have mentioned it. Would you? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 921] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-04-2012 12:19 PM Politicians will lie about anything for votes and NONE has embraced Sharia Law. ZERO. To claim the DNC supports Sharia Law and is being really sneaky about it is pure nonsense. They heartily embrace that element and must promise something in return for their votes. Apparently you think they court the muslim vote with empty promises but I do not. For unless they are completely crazy they know that the muslims can not be played that way..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 922] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-04-2012 12:24 PM They heartily embrace that element and must promise something in return for their votes. Apparently you think they court the muslim vote with empty promises but I do not. For unless they are completely crazy they know that the muslims can not be played that way..-Tyr Poltiticans are completely crazy but not crazy enough to endorse Sharia Law. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 923] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-04-2012 12:31 PM http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-11-01/news/fl-muslim-holiday-meeting-20121101_1_muslim-holidays-religious-holidays-muslim-families After the committee spent 45 minutes debating how many people could speak and for how long, Muslim families asked the district to close down on two holidays — Eid al-Fitr, the end of Ramadan; and Eid-al Adha, which marks the end of Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca. They said there is a valid secular reason to close, citing the fact that about 18,000 Muslim students are enrolled in the school district — about 7 percent of the population — and they're forced to take off those days. The district currently closes on several Jewish and Christian holidays and cites large absenteeism as the reason. "It's about fairness, respect and inclusion," said Ghazala Salam, Florida community relations director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^No sir, they wouldnt ever try to get Sharia law here. Just like they wouldnt ever try to force the observance of their religious holidays by schools , etc.. Another example of why I take my stand.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 924] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-04-2012 12:34 PM Poltiticans are completely crazy but not crazy enough to endorse Sharia Law. Why not? READ MY POST PREVIOUS TO THIS ONE! NOT CRAZY , EH? It will start by local city/county/school etc yielding that will grow until federal government yields. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 925] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-04-2012 12:35 PM http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-11-01/news/fl-muslim-holiday-meeting-20121101_1_muslim-holidays-religious-holidays-muslim-families After the committee spent 45 minutes debating how many people could speak and for how long, Muslim families asked the district to close down on two holidays — Eid al-Fitr, the end of Ramadan; and Eid-al Adha, which marks the end of Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca. They said there is a valid secular reason to close, citing the fact that about 18,000 Muslim students are enrolled in the school district — about 7 percent of the population — and they're forced to take off those days. The district currently closes on several Jewish and Christian holidays and cites large absenteeism as the reason. "It's about fairness, respect and inclusion," said Ghazala Salam, Florida community relations director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^No sir, they wouldnt ever try to get Sharia law here. Just like they wouldnt ever try to force the observance of their religious holidays by schools , etc.. Another example of why I take my stand.-Tyr When Hendrix died we tried to get it made into a holiday. Big Deal. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 926] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-04-2012 12:37 PM Why not? READ MY POST PREVIOUS TO THIS ONE! NOT CRAZY , EH? It will start by local city/county/school etc yielding that will grow until federal government yields. -Tyr No one is endorsing Sharia Law in your post------ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 927] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-04-2012 12:42 PM No one is endorsing Sharia Law in your post------ I never stated they were just that they will start with religious holidays then after enough concessions are made over a number of years they'l move up to Sharia law.. You cant cut the entire forest down in one swipe, you begin by cutting down the first tree.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 928] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-04-2012 12:44 PM I never stated they were just that they will start with religious holidays then after enough concessions are made over a number of years they'l move up to Sharia law.. You cant cut the entire forest down in one swipe, you begin by cutting down the first tree.-Tyr So as I have been saying---no political party endorses Sharia Law. It would be political suicide. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 929] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-04-2012 12:47 PM So as I have been saying---no political party endorses Sharia Law. It would be political suicide. Apparently the muslims dont believe that. They've outright called for laws against blasphemy! As usual they will simply not give up..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 930] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-04-2012 01:00 PM Apparently the muslims dont believe that. They've outright called for laws against blasphemy! As usual they will simply not give up..-Tyr Which political party do they think supports Sharia Law ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 931] Author : aboutime Date : 11-04-2012 01:12 PM So as I have been saying---no political party endorses Sharia Law. It would be political suicide. Dilloduck. The Liberal, Democrat, Intentional Silence, and the MSM's avoidance of Sharia Law...SPEAKS VOLUMES, more than actually making any statements. That's how OBL worked to infest this nation, and exactly how Obama, and the Democrats perpetuate the Infestation...SILENTLY. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 932] Author : fj1200 Date : 11-04-2012 01:41 PM The district currently closes on several Jewish and Christian holidays and cites large absenteeism as the reason. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just like they wouldnt ever try to force the observance of their religious holidays by schools , etc.. Is that the imposition of Christian and Jewish law? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 933] Author : aboutime Date : 11-04-2012 01:54 PM Is that the imposition of Christian and Jewish law? fj. NO! No more than the reasons the Saudi's, Iraqi, Iranian, Al Queda, and Taliban STOP everything when they PRAY TO MECCA! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 934] Author : fj1200 Date : 11-04-2012 01:56 PM ^Huh? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 935] Author : Drummond Date : 11-04-2012 02:04 PM Not exactly an unbiased source there Drum. Notice how todays date is in the header and the date of the article is Aug 29th ? I'm sure there are are some extreme leftists wackos dealing with some nuts but I still haven't seen Sharia Law supported by the DNC platform. As I said before, Aboutime answered you on the point of how directly (or otherwise) the DNC would be willing to openly admit that they supported Sharia Law. However, Dilloduck, I recognise the way the Left works. I posted my example of the ex-London mayor, Ken Livingstone, who'd invited a 'radical' Muslim cleric to London as a guest of the city. He did that not once but twice. When he wasn't racially abusing a Jewish reporter, that is ... Just as Livingstone did in London, so your own DNC has ALSO done. The actions are equivalent to each other, essentially copies of each other. And, as you've sarcastically alluded to in the past, the UK has been 'sold out' to Muslims over here. So you can readily see (unless you insist on not doing so ?) that the DNC plans for America what our Left-wing have already worked to achieve in the UK. This link dates back to 2008. Our Labour Party was in power back then, and had been, for eleven continuous years. So ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1055764/Islamic-sharia-courts-Britain-legally-binding.html Islamic sharia law courts in Britain are exploiting a little-known legal clause to make their verdicts officially binding under UK law in cases including divorce, financial disputes and even domestic violence. A new network of courts in five major cities is hearing cases where Muslims involved agree to be bound by traditional sharia law, and under the 1996 Arbitration Act the court's decisions can then be enforced by the county courts or the High Court. Officials behind the new system claim to have dealt with more than 100 cases since last summer, including six involving domestic violence which is a criminal rather than civil offence, and said they hoped to take over growing numbers of 'smaller' criminal cases in future. The revelations sparked uproar yesterday, with warnings that the fundamental principle of equal treatment for all - the bedrock of British justice - was being gravely undermined. Critics fear Britain's Islamic hard-liners will now try to make sharia law the dominant legal system in Muslim neighbourhoods, and warn that women often receive less favourable treatment at the hands of the traditional Islamic courts. The issue erupted into a major controversy earlier this year after the Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams claimed publicly that formal recognition of sharia law 'seemed unavoidable', and Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips gave his backing to the use of Islamic courts to deal with family, marital and financial disputes. Sharia courts have operated unofficially for years among Britain's Muslim communities but until now their rulings could not be enforced, relying instead on parties agreeing voluntarily. The Muslim Arbitration Tribunal panels, set up by lawyer Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, are now operating in London, Bradford, Manchester, Birmingham and Nuneaton, with more planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh. Mr Siddiqi said: 'We realised that under the Arbitration Act we can make rulings which can be enforced by county and High Courts. 'The Act allows disputes to be resolved using alternatives like tribunals. This method is called alternative dispute resolution, which for Muslims is what the sharia courts are.' Labour COULD have tightened up our laws to shut out this sort of thing, but after ELEVEN YEARS IN POWER, Muslim influence was clearly gaining ground. As our Left do, so do yours, and so WILL yours. Your DNC show no sign of failing to be an equivalent of our own Labour Party. Well, do they ?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 936] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-04-2012 02:25 PM As I said before, Aboutime answered you on the point of how directly (or otherwise) the DNC would be willing to openly admit that they supported Sharia Law. However, Dilloduck, I recognise the way the Left works. I posted my example of the ex-London mayor, Ken Livingstone, who'd invited a 'radical' Muslim cleric to London as a guest of the city. He did that not once but twice. When he wasn't racially abusing a Jewish reporter, that is ... Just as Livingstone did in London, so your own DNC has ALSO done. The actions are equivalent to each other, essentially copies of each other. And, as you've sarcastically alluded to in the past, the UK has been 'sold out' to Muslims over here. So you can readily see (unless you insist on not doing so ?) that the DNC plans for America what our Left-wing have already worked to achieve in the UK. This link dates back to 2008. Our Labour Party was in power back then, and had been, for eleven continuous years. So ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1055764/Islamic-sharia-courts-Britain-legally-binding.html Labour COULD have tightened up our laws to shut out this sort of thing, but after ELEVEN YEARS IN POWER, Muslim influence was clearly gaining ground. As our Left do, so do yours, and so WILL yours. Your DNC show no sign of failing to be an equivalent of our own Labour Party. Well, do they ?? again---no American political party DARES to support Sharia Law. How many thieves have had their hands amputated in England in the past 10 years ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 937] Author : aboutime Date : 11-04-2012 02:43 PM Dilloduck. Are you sure you aren't just gabby, pretending to be as dumb as her???? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 938] Author : Drummond Date : 11-04-2012 03:40 PM again---no American political party DARES to support Sharia Law. How many thieves have had their hands amputated in England in the past 10 years ? It's done by slow, creeping degrees. The implementation of a growing climate which says that to show intolerance to Islam is racist. The introduction of views stated by Imans which, in a spirit of 'progressiveness', the DNC shows itself to be tolerant and inclusive towards ... ... and the tolerance of other features by those areas in America with Left-leaning authorities. Permitting more and more mosques, say. Permitting rabble-rousing marches, in the name of 'freedom of expression'. Deference to them via welfare payments, say, the inference being that they should be regarded highly sympathetically and with generosity of spirit. It's through means such as these that an increasing climate of tolerance is created, built upon, to the point where - eventually - Muslims push AGAIN AND AGAIN for yet more appeasement. And tolerance of Sharia Courts will ultimately follow, and with it, sympathetic debates saying that deference to Sharia Law is itself mandated. Watch it happen, Dilloduck. Should Obama win, that is ... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 939] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-04-2012 03:40 PM As I said before, Aboutime answered you on the point of how directly (or otherwise) the DNC would be willing to openly admit that they supported Sharia Law. However, Dilloduck, I recognise the way the Left works. I posted my example of the ex-London mayor, Ken Livingstone, who'd invited a 'radical' Muslim cleric to London as a guest of the city. He did that not once but twice. When he wasn't racially abusing a Jewish reporter, that is ... Just as Livingstone did in London, so your own DNC has ALSO done. The actions are equivalent to each other, essentially copies of each other. And, as you've sarcastically alluded to in the past, the UK has been 'sold out' to Muslims over here. So you can readily see (unless you insist on not doing so ?) that the DNC plans for America what our Left-wing have already worked to achieve in the UK. This link dates back to 2008. Our Labour Party was in power back then, and had been, for eleven continuous years. So ... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1055764/Islamic-sharia-courts-Britain-legally-binding.html Labour COULD have tightened up our laws to shut out this sort of thing, but after ELEVEN YEARS IN POWER, Muslim influence was clearly gaining ground. As our Left do, so do yours, and so WILL yours. Your DNC show no sign of failing to be an equivalent of our own Labour Party. Well, do they ?? Bravo.. --:clap: Our leftists are doing and will do the same , as you well know..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 940] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-04-2012 03:43 PM Which political party do they think supports Sharia Law ? Which party courts them , has many leftist members and you have your answer!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 941] Author : aboutime Date : 11-04-2012 03:47 PM It's done by slow, creeping degrees. The implementation of a growing climate which says that to show intolerance to Islam is racist. The introduction of views stated by Imans which, in a spirit of 'progressiveness', the DNC shows itself to be tolerant and inclusive towards ... ... and the tolerance of other features by those areas in America with Left-leaning authorities. Permitting more and more mosques, say. Permitting rabble-rousing marches, in the name of 'freedom of expression'. Deference to them via welfare payments, say, the inference being that they should be regarded highly sympathetically and with generosity of spirit. It's through means such as these that an increasing climate of tolerance is created, built upon, to the point where - eventually - Muslims push AGAIN AND AGAIN for yet more appeasement. And tolerance of Sharia Courts will ultimately follow, and with it, sympathetic debates saying that deference to Sharia Law is itself mandated. Watch it happen, Dilloduck. Should Obama win, that is ... Drummond. It seems obvious here, and based on personal experience over many years, at other forums. People like Dilloduck refuse to believe, or even contemplate thinking about such things that are SO REAL. Based on previous times. It has been my experience that Dilloduck, and others who deny such things. Always resort to calling such things as "SKY IS FALLING" or "CRYING WOLF" as a means of attempting to make anyone who says such things....feel insulted, or laughed at...based on the Low Mentality of the accuser. Much like the Denial bunch who still exist and do not want to forget...The Attacks on 9-11, were all pre-arranged, and set up by BUSH, including how NO PLANES, but Missiles brought down those buildings....on TIMED Explosive devices. Same people who say JFK was shot by two, or three shooters, and FDR knew all about Pearl Harbor. The DUMB just keep getting Dumber. And they come here...TO PROVE IT. Which explains why Dilloduck won't accept TRUTH. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 942] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-04-2012 06:59 PM When Hendrix died we tried to get it made into a holiday. Big Deal. How many people did Hendrix advocate murdering to further his agenda??-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 943] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-04-2012 07:52 PM I think we can move this to a conspiracy thread. No one advocates Sharia Law. Pure speculation and fear mongering. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 944] Author : jimnyc Date : 11-04-2012 07:55 PM I think we can move this to a conspiracy thread. No one advocates Sharia Law. Pure speculation and fear mongering. Move the thread based on a few pages, or it took you 60+ pages to determine that? :coffee: Just fucking with ya! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 945] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-04-2012 08:12 PM Move the thread based on a few pages, or it took you 60+ pages to determine that? :coffee: Just fucking with ya! I scientifically examined every post. Congrats on the Steelers :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 946] Author : jimnyc Date : 11-04-2012 08:16 PM I scientifically examined every post. Congrats on the Steelers :laugh: I know of at least one person, my brother in law, who thinks the Steelers winning was a conspiracy too! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 947] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-05-2012 10:46 AM I know of at least one person, my brother in law, who thinks the Steelers winning was a conspiracy too! I've heard the NFL endorses Sharia Law. Maybe that was just the Saints. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 948] Author : aboutime Date : 11-05-2012 04:06 PM I've heard the NFL endorses Sharia Law. Maybe that was just the Saints. Dilloduck. So now. You are telling us...YOU are a member of the NFL? I never doubted your support. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 949] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-05-2012 08:02 PM I've heard the NFL endorses Sharia Law. Maybe that was just the Saints. The "Saints" would be the last team to endorse it.-:laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 950] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-07-2012 09:39 AM Goddamn traitor won reelection! This is why I take my stand! Now we will see his muslim side that he has had to hide come out and America will suffer which is his main agenda.. I accept no traitor as my President!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 951] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-07-2012 10:08 AM Goddamn traitor won reelection! This is why I take my stand! Now we will see his muslim side that he has had to hide come out and America will suffer which is his main agenda.. I accept no traitor as my President!-Tyr I haven't heard him yell " Allah Akbar" yet. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 952] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-07-2012 10:37 AM I haven't heard him yell " Allah Akbar" yet. You shouldnt expect too either. Muslims in hiding do their dirty work undercover. Is the reason they go undercover and deny their faith.. Besides why yell Allah Akbar when Executive Orders CAN AND WILL DO THE TRICK..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 953] Author : aboutime Date : 11-07-2012 04:31 PM You shouldnt expect too either. Muslims in hiding do their dirty work undercover. Is the reason they go undercover and deny their faith.. Besides why yell Allah Akbar when Executive Orders CAN AND WILL DO THE TRICK..-Tyr Tyr. I fully expect to hear Obama yell "Allah Akbar" the first time he realizes he can't blame BUSH for his own stupidity. Come to think of it. Picture Mrs. Obama running through the White House, chasing Barry with a huge Butcher Knife..yelling the same thing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 954] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-07-2012 08:08 PM Watch how our new extremely flexible president keeps his promise to the ffing Russian dictator. Another thing his supporters ignored. How many of our nukes wil he destroy? Exactly how weak will he make us? Stay tuned folks , we got at least fours years of destruction coming and after that who knows, he may just Executive Order himself as dictator. I hope Im still alive to someday laugh at the morons that did this to our nation. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 955] Author : aboutime Date : 11-07-2012 08:37 PM Watch how our new extremely flexible president keeps his promise to the ffing Russian dictator. Another thing his supporters ignored. How many of our nukes wil he destroy? Exactly how weak will he make us? Stay tuned folks , we got at least fours years of destruction coming and after that who knows, he may just Executive Order himself as dictator. I hope Im still alive to someday laugh at the morons that did this to our nation. Tyr. After seeing what took place yesterday. I can only bring myself to thinking more about how to protect our Five grandchildren, who are now, still unable to understand, or even know what DEBT will mean for them. If, and when they ever are old enough to have a job. What most of us need to be aware of, and keep a watchful eye on is; How Obama and Holder. With the assistance of Democrats in the Senate attempt to Avoid, Ignore, and Disobey our Constitution without being punished. Seems right now would be the perfect time for Congress to INDICT Obama, Holder, and Hillary for the WILLFUL deaths of those four Americans in Benghazi. Congress, and the American people should not allow Obama to just IGNORE, and allow that story to go Unanswered. If there are any Republican members of Congress. And even Democrat members of Congress who insist THEY ARE WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE. They should all forget about the PARTISANSHIP, and Bring Obama to justice...with Holder being Impeached, and Fired first. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 956] Author : Drummond Date : 11-07-2012 08:40 PM Goddamn traitor won reelection! This is why I take my stand! Now we will see his muslim side that he has had to hide come out and America will suffer which is his main agenda.. I accept no traitor as my President!-Tyr:clap::clap::clap: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 957] Author : Drummond Date : 11-07-2012 08:45 PM I haven't heard him yell " Allah Akbar" yet. Perhaps he felt that his grovelling foreign tour, early on in his first term .. not forgetting his disgusting 'curtsey' to the Saudi ruler .. effectively covered him in that regard ? So, anyway. Time for a silly question. Who, here, trusts Obama NOT to sit on his hands while Iran finally gets itself some nukes ? Any takers ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 958] Author : aboutime Date : 11-07-2012 08:49 PM :clap::clap::clap: Tyr, and Drummond. We can call him almost anything we like. But it falls on deaf ears, and using that word Traitor...normally wouldn't be so hard to prove....since only TWO WITNESSES are needed. Problem is. Numbnuts O is still the Pretend President, and too many other NUMB-MINDED Americans Love him. Because they are afraid to announce their real feelings. Knowing their NUMB-MINDED friends would Disown them, Label them, and call them Racists. And we can't have that kind of stuff happening....unless we tell the truth that hurts their feelings. They aren't smart enough to understand anyway. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 959] Author : Drummond Date : 11-07-2012 09:05 PM Tyr, and Drummond. We can call him almost anything we like. But it falls on deaf ears, and using that word Traitor...normally wouldn't be so hard to prove....since only TWO WITNESSES are needed. Problem is. Numbnuts O is still the Pretend President, and too many other NUMB-MINDED Americans Love him. Because they are afraid to announce their real feelings. Knowing their NUMB-MINDED friends would Disown them, Label them, and call them Racists. And we can't have that kind of stuff happening....unless we tell the truth that hurts their feelings. They aren't smart enough to understand anyway.:clap::clap: Nicely put. For what it's worth ... I watched some of the BBC's coverage of the election. They came up with an interesting statistic. Now, apparently, the vast majority of black Americans vote for the Democrats .. and back in 2004, the percentage was put at 88 percent. Now, when Obama was their candidate, back in 2008, that percentage went up to NINETY FIVE percent. Assuming the same is true this time around, maybe Obama's victory is directly attributable to outright racist voting ? Another thought. I migrated to this forum from another US Conservative site like this one, several months ago (as Tyr can tell you). Some of its members were adamant that they would refuse to vote for Romney because he wasn't Conservative enough. I wonder if this feeling was at all widespread, and because of voter dissatisfaction with Romney, Obama has maybe won by default ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 960] Author : aboutime Date : 11-07-2012 09:23 PM :clap::clap: Nicely put. For what it's worth ... I watched some of the BBC's coverage of the election. They came up with an interesting statistic. Now, apparently, the vast majority of black Americans vote for the Democrats .. and back in 2004, the percentage was put at 88 percent. Now, when Obama was their candidate, back in 2008, that percentage went up to NINETY FIVE percent. Assuming the same is true this time around, maybe Obama's victory is directly attributable to outright racist voting ? Another thought. I migrated to this forum from another US Conservative site like this one, several months ago (as Tyr can tell you). Some of its members were adamant that they would refuse to vote for Romney because he wasn't Conservative enough. I wonder if this feeling was at all widespread, and because of voter dissatisfaction with Romney, Obama has maybe won by default ? Thank you Drummond. You said it perfectly, and correctly. However. We non Democrats here in the Colonies are not permitted to express ourselves, or feelings quite the way you did. Nobody there in the U.K, would call you a racist for expressing your opinion about the U.S. Elections. But we....Well, when we say such things. We are instantly candidates for BIGOTRY, and RACISM due to our skin color, and the color of Mr. Obama's skin. Trends here seem to be. Unless you have Brown skin. You have no business discussing, or trying to correct any known problems related to race, racism, or racists. All of which instantly qualify you to become the target of anyone who learns...you disagree with Mister Obama for ANY REASON. But they know. If you do disagree with Obama policies. That's not really why you disagree. According to the REAL RACISTS who are Black. Just mentioning the word RACE is all they need to BRING THE WRATH of the NEW, OBAMA, BLACK PANTHERS down on you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 961] Author : Drummond Date : 11-07-2012 09:45 PM Thank you Drummond. You said it perfectly, and correctly. However. We non Democrats here in the Colonies are not permitted to express ourselves, or feelings quite the way you did. Nobody there in the U.K, would call you a racist for expressing your opinion about the U.S. Elections. But we....Well, when we say such things. We are instantly candidates for BIGOTRY, and RACISM due to our skin color, and the color of Mr. Obama's skin. Trends here seem to be. Unless you have Brown skin. You have no business discussing, or trying to correct any known problems related to race, racism, or racists. All of which instantly qualify you to become the target of anyone who learns...you disagree with Mister Obama for ANY REASON. But they know. If you do disagree with Obama policies. That's not really why you disagree. According to the REAL RACISTS who are Black. Just mentioning the word RACE is all they need to BRING THE WRATH of the NEW, OBAMA, BLACK PANTHERS down on you. Yes, well .. !! .. you don't need me to tell you how disgusting all of this is. Sounds like a racist fascism at work. What's next .. jackboot sales ? The emergence of armbands with custom-designed swastikas on them ? If your version of Socialism parallels our own, you can expect a propaganda offensive like nothing you've ever seen before - and an insistence on certain 'tolerance' to issues such as immigration, State handouts to the UNdeserving, which will invite INtolerance if that tolerance isn't forthcoming. But I also worry about foreign policy. What if Iran manages to get away with an attempt at genocide against Israel, because Obama sits around, buying them all the remaining time they need to get some nukes ? Just how many otherwise avoidable deaths will the world see because of this election outcome ? Could it, perhaps, actually be reckonable in the MILLIONS ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 962] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-07-2012 09:54 PM :clap::clap: Nicely put. For what it's worth ... I watched some of the BBC's coverage of the election. They came up with an interesting statistic. Now, apparently, the vast majority of black Americans vote for the Democrats .. and back in 2004, the percentage was put at 88 percent. Now, when Obama was their candidate, back in 2008, that percentage went up to NINETY FIVE percent. Assuming the same is true this time around, maybe Obama's victory is directly attributable to outright racist voting ? Another thought. I migrated to this forum from another US Conservative site like this one, several months ago (as Tyr can tell you). Some of its members were adamant that they would refuse to vote for Romney because he wasn't Conservative enough. I wonder if this feeling was at all widespread, and because of voter dissatisfaction with Romney, Obama has maybe won by default ? Yes, thats where I met you at my friend. Those that refused to vote for Romney because of him not being conservative enough or because he is a Mormon are likely to have just doomed this nation to third world status or even worse! Just about anybody would have been an improvement on obama. But the blacks likely voted for him by 95 % majority again! Gots ta have dat free ride, the lazy bastards..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 963] Author : Drummond Date : 11-07-2012 10:05 PM Yes, thats where I met you at my friend. Those that refused to vote for Romney because of him not being conservative enough or because he is a Mormon are likely to have just doomed this nation to third world status or even worse! Just about anybody would have been an improvement on obama. But the blacks likely voted for him by 95 % majority again! Gots ta have dat free ride, the lazy bastards..-Tyr :clap::clap: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 964] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-08-2012 09:51 PM Yes, well .. !! .. you don't need me to tell you how disgusting all of this is. Sounds like a racist fascism at work. What's next .. jackboot sales ? The emergence of armbands with custom-designed swastikas on them ? If your version of Socialism parallels our own, you can expect a propaganda offensive like nothing you've ever seen before - and an insistence on certain 'tolerance' to issues such as immigration, State handouts to the UNdeserving, which will invite INtolerance if that tolerance isn't forthcoming. But I also worry about foreign policy. What if Iran manages to get away with an attempt at genocide against Israel, because Obama sits around, buying them all the remaining time they need to get some nukes ? Just how many otherwise avoidable deaths will the world see because of this election outcome ? Could it, perhaps, actually be reckonable in the MILLIONS ? It could be in the millions if he destroys the powrr of this nation which is his intent and his policies so far have shown that to be true.. For this nation has at great costs kept the wolves at bay since WW2 ended. These policies and the great harm that they cause are not accidents/mistakes by him but rather deliberate actions that bear the fruit which he wishes! How many Americans that flat out said no to us entering WW2 only saw their huge mistake after Pearl Harbor was attacked? Obama is no saviour , he is a destroyer! A muslim in hiding..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 965] Author : aboutime Date : 11-09-2012 02:31 PM It could be in the millions if he destroys the powrr of this nation which is his intent and his policies so far have shown that to be true.. For this nation has at great costs kept the wolves at bay since WW2 ended. These policies and the great harm that they cause are not accidents/mistakes by him but rather deliberate actions that bear the fruit which he wishes! How many Americans that flat out said no to us entering WW2 only saw their huge mistake after Pearl Harbor was attacked? Obama is no saviour , he is a destroyer! A muslim in hiding..-Tyr Tyr. I am checking something out right now. But my wife said, she just heard the Obama administration is so dead-set against Coal for creating electrical power. They are forcing some 400 Individual Coal powered Electrical generating plants to close before 2014. If those Americans who voted for Obama are HAPPY now. Just wait till we all get those notices in the mail from the ENERGY department, announcing how our ELECTRIC, and other utility bills that need Electricity....are about to go up...with the CARBON TAXES Mister Obama promised 95% of Americans...would not see any Increases in their TAXES. Anyone, from either party. Who has the ability to actually THINK in real time should see the following: These are the NO NEW TAXES Obama promised: CARBON TAX ENERGY TAXES GASOLINE TAXES...Possibly more than 6 dollars a gallon OBAMACARE Health TAXES And....the GRANDDADDY OF THEM ALL.... The EXPIRING BUSH TAX CUTS. Unemployment going higher. All of those FORMER members of the U.S. Military...out of work GUESS WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR ALL OF THIS???? Anyone care to offer an answer? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 966] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-11-2012 11:06 PM Tyr. I am checking something out right now. But my wife said, she just heard the Obama administration is so dead-set against Coal for creating electrical power. They are forcing some 400 Individual Coal powered Electrical generating plants to close before 2014. If those Americans who voted for Obama are HAPPY now. Just wait till we all get those notices in the mail from the ENERGY department, announcing how our ELECTRIC, and other utility bills that need Electricity....are about to go up...with the CARBON TAXES Mister Obama promised 95% of Americans...would not see any Increases in their TAXES. Anyone, from either party. Who has the ability to actually THINK in real time should see the following: These are the NO NEW TAXES Obama promised: CARBON TAX ENERGY TAXES GASOLINE TAXES...Possibly more than 6 dollars a gallon OBAMACARE Health TAXES And....the GRANDDADDY OF THEM ALL.... The EXPIRING BUSH TAX CUTS. Unemployment going higher. All of those FORMER members of the U.S. Military...out of work GUESS WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR ALL OF THIS???? Anyone care to offer an answer? My friend, good Americans will pay the vast majority of it while the lazy bastards that gave the traitor another 4 years sit back in thier free house, eating free food, free medical care and spending a free cash check sing praises and beg for more. Such people truly deserve what they too will eventualy get. The damn shame is others will suffer because such useless vermin are allowed to live and breed like rabbits. I have no pity for such people, I hope they all rot in hell-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 967] Author : fj1200 Date : 11-12-2012 09:39 AM Tyr. I am checking something out right now. But my wife said, she just heard the Obama administration is so dead-set against Coal for creating electrical power. They are forcing some 400 Individual Coal powered Electrical generating plants to close before 2014. Do you have an update yet? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 968] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-18-2012 08:35 PM Does anybody else want to openly take a stand against this false government???? Against its Unconstitutional acts? Against the traitor now in charge? Just thought it a good thing to ask to see who exactly will stand on moral principles and upholding the Rule of Law and our Constitution and which people are still too afraid to openly declare as I have done?--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 969] Author : tailfins Date : 11-18-2012 08:39 PM Does anybody else want to openly take a stand against this false government???? Against its Unconstitutional acts? Against the traitor now in charge? Just thought it a good thing to ask to see who exactly will stand on moral principles and upholding the Rule of Law and our Constitution and which people are still too afraid to openly declare as I have done?--Tyr So what will your first initiative be? All this talk is interesting, but what are you going to DO? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 970] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-18-2012 08:50 PM So what will your first initiative be? All this talk is interesting, but what are you going to DO? We could start by doing everything legal and within the law. By organising groups to protect the Constitution. By speaking out without fail , by stopping this spreading fear the federal government has so effectively applied. Remember in our Representative Republic the federal government is supposed to fear WE THE CITIZENS and our vote but now it the reverse is true! This is all due to the massive corruption and powermad actions our federal government takes and never has it been worse than when obama stepped in. In short he is a damn traitor. We should give him exactly zero support and not an ounce of respect. Thats a good start. Every damn body support the TEA PARTY AND TREAT THE DEMS LIKE THE DAMN SCUM THEY ARE IMHO. ITS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY TO SOLVE EVERYTHING BUT A TREE IS FELLED BY THE ACCUMULATION OF AXE STRIKES BUT THE FIRST ONE IS REQUIRED OR ELSE IT STANDS.. DEMAND HIS IMPEACHMENT AND LET THE CHARGE BE HIS TREASON!!!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 971] Author : tailfins Date : 11-18-2012 09:01 PM We could start by doing everything legal and within the law. By organising groups to protect the Constitution. By speaking out without fail , by stopping this spreading fear the federal government has so effectively applied. Remember in our Representative Republic the federal government is supposed to fear WE THE CITIZENS and our vote but now it the reverse is true! This is all due to the massive corruption and powermad actions our federal government takes and never has it been worse than when obama stepped in. In short he is a damn traitor. We should give him exactly zero support and not an ounce of respect. Thats a good start. Every damn body support the TEA PARTY AND TREAT THE DEMS LIKE THE DAMN SCUM THEY ARE IMHO. ITS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY TO SOLVE EVERYTHING BUT A TREE IS FELLED BY THE ACCUMULATION OF AXE STRIKES BUT THE FIRST ONE IS REQUIRED OR ELSE IT STANDS.. DEMAND HIS IMPEACHMENT AND LET THE CHARGE BE HIS TREASON!!!-Tyr Enough faucet drips and he might just be impeached. Many say the Benghazi and Iran drone cover-ups are worse than Watergate. A low approval rating is politically like a weak immune system, scandals are more likely to bring him down as his approval rating drops. I do however think it may take three years to disgrace Obama. If the economy gets really bad, Obama could become the Democrats Nixon and Hoover rolled into one. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 972] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-18-2012 09:07 PM Do you have an update yet? He doesnt need one. If its bad for the nation obama will do it . Thats enough. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 973] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-18-2012 09:09 PM Does anybody else want to openly take a stand against this false government???? Against its Unconstitutional acts? Against the traitor now in charge? Just thought it a good thing to ask to see who exactly will stand on moral principles and upholding the Rule of Law and our Constitution and which people are still too afraid to openly declare as I have done?--Tyr 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. I listed 5 numbers , I doubt if I get three that say yes and make their stand with me. And that is exactly why we are in the shape that we are in!!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 974] Author : fj1200 Date : 11-19-2012 07:32 AM He doesnt need one. If its bad for the nation obama will do it . Thats enough. -Tyr So we need to "take our stand" against internet falsehoods? No wonder you're having a tough go of it here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 975] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-19-2012 06:55 PM So we need to "take our stand" against internet falsehoods? No wonder you're having a tough go of it here. Would be wise to stand against any falsehoods, dont ya think? I am not having a tough go here. Why on earth would you think otherwise? Our nation is the one having a tough go at it.. And that thanks to obama's deliberate destructive policies. You'd be wise to take the right stand but I doubt you ever will. You are too busy trying to prove something. What I havent a clue but you sure enjoy the attempt.. :laugh:--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 976] Author : Dilloduck Date : 11-19-2012 07:44 PM Would be wise to stand against any falsehoods, dont ya think? I am not having a tough go here. Why on earth would you think otherwise? Our nation is the one having a tough go at it.. And that thanks to obama's deliberate destructive policies. You'd be wise to take the right stand but I doubt you ever will. You are too busy trying to prove something. What I havent a clue but you sure enjoy the attempt.. :laugh:--Tyr but yet you call Obama a Muslim ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 977] Author : aboutime Date : 11-19-2012 09:31 PM but yet you call Obama a Muslim ? Dilloduck. Most all of us know how much you reject the TRUTH. Let's see you prove otherwise for once. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 978] Author : jafar00 Date : 11-19-2012 09:57 PM Does anybody else want to openly take a stand against this false government???? Against its Unconstitutional acts? Against the traitor now in charge? Just thought it a good thing to ask to see who exactly will stand on moral principles and upholding the Rule of Law and our Constitution and which people are still too afraid to openly declare as I have done?--Tyr So it was ok for Bush to stomp all over your rights and your constitution, but as soon as a black guy who is a Democrat with the middle name "Hussein" is President, the gloves come off? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 979] Author : aboutime Date : 11-19-2012 10:01 PM So it was ok for Bush to stomp all over your rights and your constitution, but as soon as a black guy who is a Democrat with the middle name "Hussein" is President, the gloves come off? JAFAR. If you were somebody who mattered, lived in this nation, and actually didn't have a Mellon for a brain who always wants to stir up trouble. You might get an answer. But. Thus far. You haven't answered ONE QUESTION honestly without asking another. GO PLAY WITH YOUR HAMAS BROTHERS. Ask them to let you wear an Explosive Vest, and prove how much of a hero you THINK you are. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 980] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-19-2012 11:25 PM So it was ok for Bush to stomp all over your rights and your constitution, but as soon as a black guy who is a Democrat with the middle name "Hussein" is President, the gloves come off? Sir, I do not abide traitors. His race matters not a damn whit for obama is a damn traitor. I would not care if he was Native American like my grandfather was, treason is treason. The fact that he is a member of the traitorous dem party just redoubles my resolve to never show him an ounce of respect and he is not my president! F-him.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 981] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-19-2012 11:31 PM but yet you call Obama a Muslim ? Why not? He himself said, "my muslim faith" in a video interview and the interviewer had to correct him. A man does not make such a staement and it be a mistake. I've never made such a mistake claiming a religion that I was not. Obama got excused for that and his quoted words where he stated --in the end he would always stand with Islam. He is also on record saying "the most beautiful sound I ever heard was the muslim afternoon call to prayers". HE IS A MUSLIM IN HIDING. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 982] Author : logroller Date : 11-19-2012 11:38 PM Sir, I do not abide traitors. His race matters not a damn whit for obama is a damn traitor. I would not care if he was Native American like my grandfather was, treason is treason. The fact that he is a member of the traitorous dem party just redoubles my resolve to never show him an ounce of respect and he is not my president! F-him.-Tyr That's funny because the closest thing I've ever heard to sedition and insurrection came from you. The only thing keeping you from committing treason is that you're a coward. Do you look in the mirror to muster the gumption to make such accusations? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 983] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-20-2012 12:07 AM That's funny because the closest thing I've ever heard to sedition and insurrection came from you. The only thing keeping you from committing treason is that you're a coward. Do you look in the mirror to muster the gumption to make such accusations? Still defending your boy obama, right because he is a muslim in hiding. HAHA, me a coward. I speak my mind more honestly than 99 % of the other men here or anywhere else in the world! That pisses you off, well get used to it pedro Im not stopping anytime soon. How about some more of your muslim appeasing crap? Say, what religion are you anyways? Got a prayer rug handy? You first started attacking me because I so strongly oppose Islam and even after running away to heal your batterd little ego you come back and start again with the subject being Islam. Strange how that works out. This compulsion to defend Islamic terrorist scum has you firmly by your monkey and you cant help yourself. Dont fret so amigo, we all have our crosses to bear. To bad yours is siding with our nation's greatest enemy= Islam. All the while you pretend not doing that..-:laugh2:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 984] Author : logroller Date : 11-20-2012 12:34 AM Still defending your boy obama, right because he is a muslim in hiding. HAHA, me a coward. I speak my mind more honestly than 99 % of the other men here or anywhere else in the world! That pisses you off, well get used to it pedro Im not stopping anytime soon. How about some more of your muslim appeasing crap? Say, what religion are you anyways? Got a prayer rug handy? You first started attacking me because I so strongly oppose Islam and even after running away to heal your batterd little ego you come back and start again with the subject being Islam. Strange how that works out. This compulsion to defend Islamic terrorist scum has you firmly by your monkey and you cant help yourself. Dont fret so amigo, we all have our crosses to bear. To bad yours is siding with our nation's greatest enemy= Islam. All the while you pretend not doing that..-:laugh2:-Tyr I didn't mention Obama. That you resolved that from my allegation only corroborates the truth in your treachery against the United States of America. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 985] Author : fj1200 Date : 11-20-2012 07:31 AM Would be wise to stand against any falsehoods, dont ya think? I am not having a tough go here. Why on earth would you think otherwise? Our nation is the one having a tough go at it.. And that thanks to obama's deliberate destructive policies. You'd be wise to take the right stand but I doubt you ever will. You are too busy trying to prove something. What I havent a clue but you sure enjoy the attempt.. :laugh:--Tyr That doesn't even make any sense considering that the falsehood in question is at's assertion that BO is forcing 400 power plants to close by 2014; We're still waiting for him to "look into it." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 986] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-20-2012 08:45 AM I didn't mention Obama. That you resolved that from my allegation only corroborates the truth in your treachery against the United States of America. haha, what do you think the petitions of secession are about here genius? The current federal government and --guess who-- obama! So you didnt have to mention him by name . He is the guy attempting to destroy the Constitution , that you ignore that points to your support . Two + two equals four everytime Hoss. This new movement to severe ties with the federal government is to be laid directly at that traitor's feet and now you to defend him start calling me a traitor. Our allegiance is supposed to be to the nation, our Constitution and not to any one specific administration, you and others give it to this administration, thats the real treason. I dare say ,its you far more likely to be the traitor! So keep your silly treachery allegations to yourself. I'm not the one supporting the man, I support the Constitution. Nice try, but no cigar. Pathetic that you tried but I understand. Anything to paint me black, right? States should leave and reform a Constitutional based Republic, the Republic that we see has been destroyed. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 987] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-20-2012 09:37 AM
The "Tree of Liberty" letter From Thomas Jefferson to William Smith
Paris, November 13, 1787 DEAR SIR, -- I am now to acknoledge the receipt of your favors of October the 4th, 8th, & 26th. In the last you apologise for your letters of introduction to Americans coming here. It is so far from needing apology on your part, that it calls for thanks on mine. I endeavor to show civilities to all the Americans who come here, & will give me opportunities of doing it: and it is a matter of comfort to know from a good quarter what they are, & how far I may go in my attentions to them. Can you send me Woodmason's bills for the two copying presses for the M. de la Fayette, & the M. de Chastellux? The latter makes one article in a considerable account, of old standing, and which I cannot present for want of this article. -- I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: & very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: & what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. (1)Wonderful is the effect of impudent & persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. (2)What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusetts: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen-yard in order. I hope in God this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted. -- You ask me if any thing transpires here on the subject of S. America? Not a word. I know that there are combustible materials there, and that they wait the torch only. But this country probably will join the extinguishers. -- The want of facts worth communicating to you has occasioned me to give a little loose to dissertation. We must be contented to amuse, when we cannot inform. Jefferson understood that free men could only endure illegal and oppressive government as long as they could see remedy coming . Once that remedy was surely thought and known to be not be forthcoming he advised refreshing the Tree of Liberty! How close are we to that point or rather how far are we past that point? Each citizen should decide this carefully. Currently number (1) that I numbered and resized above is in play in full force! We as citizens must understand the depth and purpose of such a massive lying campaign! -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 988] Author : logroller Date : 11-20-2012 03:31 PM haha, what do you think the petitions of secession are about here genius? moot expressions of free speech. You oughta just make up some tshirts; at least then you'd produce something. States should leave and reform a Constitutional based Republic, the Republic that we see has been destroyed. --Tyr So we should rebuild the same constitutional republic we had before. You bringing back slavery too? Or how about not having presidential term limits-- you want to see if Obama could win again in 2016. :laugh: I don't think you've thought this all through yet. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 989] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-20-2012 07:40 PM moot expressions of free speech. You oughta just make up some tshirts; at least then you'd produce something. So we should rebuild the same constitutional republic we had before. You bringing back slavery too? Or how about not having presidential term limits-- you want to see if Obama could win again in 2016. :laugh: I don't think you've thought this all through yet. I did not mention slavery but you did! Why? There is no slavery here now! You just wanted to toss a cockroach into the stew. Simply pathetic. A shill appeasor like you so desperately needing to lie and misrepresent my words. How moot those exspressions of free speech are is up for consideration. To me it represents "We the People" telling obama to stop his dictatorial ways. Giving him fair warning and even asking for redress of our grievances. Asking him to stop drasticly altering our form of government and stop attempting to shred our Constitution. To you the obama apologist all is just peachy. Each state can secede from the Union and the ones that want our Constitution can reform into a new Representative Republic, the others can wallow in thier ignorance , misery and sold out, bought out glory with obama. No violence necessary at all. Of course obama would start some is my opinion. A peaceful departure and an equally peaceful reunification eliminating this false government. All Constitutional.. You try to be clever but just as with the muslims you go about defending obama too. And you have the audacity to call me a traitor! Im not the one idolising a damn scum bastard like obama and cheering on his unconstitutional actions. You are! Go ahead, play your word games while you roundabout defend obama same way you defend muslims. You do not fool me one little bit. That you disagree and belittle that free exspression of grievances and warning to obama as being moot reveals perhaps more than you cared to. And that you offer the proposition that obama could run for a third term reveals much more. Did you get a Matthews leg thrill when you typed that? You may fool some here but not me.. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 990] Author : logroller Date : 11-20-2012 08:19 PM I did not mention slavery but you did! Why? There is no slavery here now! You just wanted to toss a cockroach into the stew. Simply pathetic. A shill appeasor like you so desperately needing to lie and misrepresent my words. How moot those exspressions of free speech are is up for consideration. To me it represents "We the People" telling obama to stop his dictatorial ways. Giving him fair warning and even asking for redress of our grievances. Asking him to stop drasticly altering our form of government and stop attempting to shred our Constitution. To you the obama apologist all is just peachy. Each state can secede from the Union and the ones that want our Constitution can reform into a new Representative Republic, the others can wallow in thier ignorance , misery and sold out, bought out glory with obama. No violence necessary at all. Of course obama would start some is my opinion. A peaceful departure and an equally peaceful reunification eliminating this false government. All Constitutional.. You try to be clever but just as with the muslims you go about defending obama too. And you have the audacity to call me a traitor! Im not the one idolising a damn scum bastard like obama and cheering on his unconstitutional actions. You are! Go ahead, play your word games while you roundabout defend obama same way you defend muslims. You do not fool me one little bit. That you disagree and belittle that free exspression of grievances and warning to obama as being moot reveals perhaps more than you cared to. And that you offer the proposition that obama could run for a third term reveals much more. Did you get a Matthews leg thrill when you typed that? You may fool some here but not me.. -Tyr It is rendered moot by the Texas v white ruling of 1869; which stated the means by which a state can leave the union: multilateral agreement among the many States and Congress, or revolution (that'd be treason). So you see, a petition drive within a handful of states accomplishes nothing because you need a supermajority; and given the results of the last election-- not gonna happen. It's very reminscent of the birther movement; probably the same crowd. :tinfoil: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 991] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-20-2012 09:23 PM It is rendered moot by the Texas v white ruling of 1869; which stated the means by which a state can leave the union: multilateral agreement among the many States and Congress, or revolution (that'd be treason). So you see, a petition drive within a handful of states accomplishes nothing because you need a supermajority; and given the results of the last election-- not gonna happen. It's very reminscent of the birther movement; probably the same crowd. :tinfoil: No . that would not be treason if it came about to stop treason by any administration. You act as if thats not possible. You choose blindness and it comforts you while I choose truth and seek justice. You'd rather ignore than confront, some of us arent that damn cowardly. We would and will take a stand when the time is right. We choose to do so within the law while you seek for us to use lawlessness so you can claim righteousness. Pathetic really. Nobody has spoke a word about his birth when speaking about leaving the Union. Yet you toss that in.. Whats they matter, can you not feel secure unless you toss in a red herring too?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 992] Author : logroller Date : 11-20-2012 10:31 PM No . that would not be treason if it came about to stop treason by any administration. You act as if thats not possible. You choose blindness and it comforts you while I choose truth and seek justice. You'd rather ignore than confront, some of us arent that damn cowardly. We would and will take a stand when the time is right. We choose to do so within the law while you seek for us to use lawlessness so you can claim righteousness. Pathetic really. Nobody has spoke a word about his birth when speaking about leaving the Union. Yet you toss that in.. Whats they matter, can you not feel secure unless you toss in a red herring too?-Tyr. sorry to rain reason and fact on your kook parade, but any attempt to overthrow the govt of the USA, or its officers, is treason. Of course, if you succeed you're a patriot. However, i doubt you'll muster much of an offense against the US military. I'd bet pounds to pennies that you're more likely to find yourself under a psych observation than leading an armed resistance. But hey, nobody's stopping you...because you have done nothing...because you don't have a plan. You've already failed and you haven't even began. Oh gosh- That's gotta be frustrating for you. No pity though. So back to the facts-- The legal means to remove the president is found in Article II of the constitution (you know, the document you claim to defend). The house impeaches and the senate tries the case. That is the law. The supreme law of the land. Been that way for hundreds of years. Im not claiming to be righteous-- you just feel that way because I am right and you are wrong. That's why, when I present evidence to support my claim, you offer empty rhetoric and falsehoods. I have consistory confronted your falsities with factual and indisputable evidence. Not only have you not refuted the evidence to my claim, you keep repeating the same falsehoods...at this point I doubt you could win a debate wih a magic eight ball. Signs point to no! Since you seek justice, here's a link to check (http://www.fbi.gov)out. I'm sure they'd love to discuss your views on the subject. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 993] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-20-2012 11:25 PM . sorry to rain reason and fact on your kook parade, but any attempt to overthrow the govt of the USA, or its officers, is treason. Of course, if you succeed you're a patriot. However, i doubt you'll muster much of an offense against the US military. I'd bet pounds to pennies that you're more likely to find yourself under a psych observation than leading an armed resistance. But hey, nobody's stopping you...because you have done nothing...because you don't have a plan. You've already failed and you haven't even began. Oh gosh- That's gotta be frustrating for you. No pity though. So back to the facts-- The legal means to remove the president is found in Article II of the constitution (you know, the document you claim to defend). The house impeaches and the senate tries the case. That is the law. The supreme law of the land. Been that way for hundreds of years. Im not claiming to be righteous-- you just feel that way because I am right and you are wrong. That's why, when I present evidence to support my claim, you offer empty rhetoric and falsehoods. I have consistory confronted your falsities with factual and indisputable evidence. Not only have you not refuted the evidence to my claim, you keep repeating the same falsehoods...at this point I doubt you could win a debate wih a magic eight ball. Signs point to no! Since you seek justice, here's a link to check (http://www.fbi.gov)out. I'm sure they'd love to discuss your views on the subject. You have proved nothing other than your ego leads you to think that you have. I do not have to refute this nothing you attempt to prove. We are talking about states seceding not discussing impeaching the president. That you keep tossing in drivel means nothing, of which you are fast becoming a master. Your red herrings and blather about other issues score nothing. States can secede Hoss, the question is what can the president do about it other than USE FORCE. My suggestion is that they start forming their own militias and then just leave the Union to reform into a new Republic that honors the original Constitution , its purpose and the Rule of Law. That this action be done in an orderly and peaceful manner to cast off the treasonous government that now rules the land. Your implying that we as citizens have no right to leave state by state is wrong. The matter is not settled. The fact that you belittle the people seeking the redress of grievances against an all too powerful and Unconstitutional federal government headed by a traitor puts you squarely in the same boat as your boy obama. You are either too stupid, too cowardly or too damn selfishly greedy to understand but hey I expected that. For you defend murdering muslim scum too . Actually you strike me as a globalist type that expects great rewards from the coming socialist government. If so, then its you that is a traitor. You have fooled others here but not me, never me. I've dealt with your type before. All talk, lying out tha ass to get what they want with no true sense of justice. Just that all powerful ego driven goal to get all that you want and to hell with anybody else.. In short a dishonorable SOB.. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 994] Author : logroller Date : 11-21-2012 03:03 AM You have proved nothing other than your ego leads you to think that you have. I do not have to refute this nothing you attempt to prove. We are talking about states seceding not discussing impeaching the president. That you keep tossing in drivel means nothing, of which you are fast becoming a master. Your red herrings and blather about other issues score nothing. States can secede Hoss, the question is what can the president do about it other than USE FORCE. My suggestion is that they start forming their own militias and then just leave the Union to reform into a new Republic that honors the original Constitution , its purpose and the Rule of Law. That this action be done in an orderly and peaceful manner to cast off the treasonous government that now rules the land. Your implying that we as citizens have no right to leave state by state is wrong. The matter is not settled. The fact that you belittle the people seeking the redress of grievances against an all too powerful and Unconstitutional federal government headed by a traitor puts you squarely in the same boat as your boy obama. You are either too stupid, too cowardly or too damn selfishly greedy to understand but hey I expected that. For you defend murdering muslim scum too . Actually you strike me as a globalist type that expects great rewards from the coming socialist government. If so, then its you that is a traitor. You have fooled others here but not me, never me. I've dealt with your type before. All talk, lying out tha ass to get what they want with no true sense of justice. Just that all powerful ego driven goal to get all that you want and to hell with anybody else.. In short a dishonorable SOB.. -Tyr What's the title of this thread-- "I take my stand, you?" Started by you. Yet you accuse me of egotism. I think we've found the first entry in your psych eval-- prone to egomaniacal transference. The matter of unilateral secession was settled in the 1860's. That's not my opinion Tyr, that's a fact and you refuse to face it, let alone address it. My opinion is that the legal and peaceful way of acheiving your goal is untenable in the current political climate; leaving you only revolution. You know that; that's why your posts are rife with violent lexicon. Rhetoric isn't for me though; I'm more fond of simile and analogy-- so here's a little something to illustrate the situation. It's like we're in a boxing match. I land nearly every punch with surgical precision. You keep stumbling back stunned and unable to process why you got hit. So you come back, swing wildly and leave yourself wide-open for yet another wallop. Round after round, beat down. The cheers have gone silent, the weak of stomach have long since looked away, but a few keep watching and wincing with each strike. Murmurs from the crowd give way to a desperate plea for the fight to be stopped, but the ref lets it go on-- no doubt curious if your pride will outlast whatever shred of dignity you still have left. You outta take that blade you flaunt and use it to cut your eye. Nothing short of medical intervention can end this for you now. Ding! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 995] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-21-2012 09:13 AM What's the title of this thread-- "I take my stand, you?" Started by you. Yet you accuse me of egotism. I think we've found the first entry in your psych eval-- prone to egomaniacal transference. The matter of unilateral secession was settled in the 1860's. That's not my opinion Tyr, that's a fact and you refuse to face it, let alone address it. My opinion is that the legal and peaceful way of acheiving your goal is untenable in the current political climate; leaving you only revolution. You know that; that's why your posts are rife with violent lexicon. Rhetoric isn't for me though; I'm more fond of simile and analogy-- so here's a little something to illustrate the situation. It's like we're in a boxing match. I land nearly every punch with surgical precision. You keep stumbling back stunned and unable to process why you got hit. So you come back, swing wildly and leave yourself wide-open for yet another wallop. Round after round, beat down. The cheers have gone silent, the weak of stomach have long since looked away, but a few keep watching and wincing with each strike. Murmurs from the crowd give way to a desperate plea for the fight to be stopped, but the ref lets it go on-- no doubt curious if your pride will outlast whatever shred of dignity you still have left. You outta take that blade you flaunt and use it to cut your eye. Nothing short of medical intervention can end this for you now. Ding! First, your self-proclaimed victory is premature Hoss. I read your blather but feel none of your imagined punches. You shouldnt try to talk about fighting when its you that would never do it. You are solidly in the obama camp although you pretend not to be. That pretty much makes your words meaningless because dishonor taints everything about a man. Then we have your magnificent ego that forced your little vacation has led you back to try to regain your pride here. However you picked the wrong horse to try to cripple. You speak of the crowd going silent as if you need a crowd to applaud you while I speak honestly and need nobody's approval of my words. Yes, this is my thread and I take my stand. It is against a tyrannical out of control Federal government and those that support it, that would include you. The fact that I will not take your bait and give you true cause to declare me a outlaw fustrates you but you keep trying. I hold that any of the states have the right to leave the Union when that Union , that powerful corrupt government , has turned on the Republic and the Constitution , you declare otherwise because you are a fool, a liar and still pissed from our other little encounters which you lost. Dont fret it son, when you grow up and change your dumbass ways you too may someday become a man! Obviously the matter of states leaving the Union is not settled or else we wouldnt be discussing states petitioning to do so now! A fact that you belittle because your sense of justice and support of the Constitution is for show only. But to some of us its part of our very souls! We will not accept a traitorous president in any way at all. The fact that obama has caused serious consideration of states and their citizens leaving the Union seems to be lost on you. I do not know for sure if thats because you are stupid, lazy or too damn greedy to care. Doesnt matter, you are marked as one of the cowardly fools in my book. Do continue to show your true stripe Hoss. People need to see how our nation has got to the state that it is currently in. By people like you thinking as you do. Pretending to be patriotic but really just looking out for their own selfish interests. Your posts put you squarely in that camp IMHO. ENJOY WHILE YOU CAN. -TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 996] Author : logroller Date : 11-21-2012 03:37 PM First, your self-proclaimed victory is premature Hoss. I read your blather but feel none of your imagined punches. You shouldnt try to talk about fighting when its you that would never do it. You are solidly in the obama camp although you pretend not to be. That pretty much makes your words meaningless because dishonor taints everything about a man. Then we have your magnificent ego that forced your little vacation has led you back to try to regain your pride here. However you picked the wrong horse to try to cripple. You speak of the crowd going silent as if you need a crowd to applaud you while I speak honestly and need nobody's approval of my words. Yes, this is my thread and I take my stand. It is against a tyrannical out of control Federal government and those that support it, that would include you. The fact that I will not take your bait and give you true cause to declare me a outlaw fustrates you but you keep trying. I hold that any of the states have the right to leave the Union when that Union , that powerful corrupt government , has turned on the Republic and the Constitution , you declare otherwise because you are a fool, a liar and still pissed from our other little encounters which you lost. Dont fret it son, when you grow up and change your dumbass ways you too may someday become a man! Obviously the matter of states leaving the Union is not settled or else we wouldnt be discussing states petitioning to do so now! A fact that you belittle because your sense of justice and support of the Constitution is for show only. But to some of us its part of our very souls! We will not accept a traitorous president in any way at all. The fact that obama has caused serious consideration of states and their citizens leaving the Union seems to be lost on you. I do not know for sure if thats because you are stupid, lazy or too damn greedy to care. Doesnt matter, you are marked as one of the cowardly fools in my book. Do continue to show your true stripe Hoss. People need to see how our nation has got to the state that it is currently in. By people like you thinking as you do. Pretending to be patriotic but really just looking out for their own selfish interests. Your posts put you squarely in that camp IMHO. ENJOY WHILE YOU CAN. -TYR I believe it was fj who first referred to your "blather"-- More parroted transference. It me who wont take your bait; you wont accept a challenge. Ad hominem attacks and other assorted Logical fallacies is all you've got. It's no wonder you refuse to debate me, You're a walking talking fallacy...correction, you're standing, immovable. You recuse yourself from any discussion of information which challenge your view. You're ignorant at best. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 997] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-21-2012 06:42 PM http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/obama-uses-mideast-chaos-to-attack-our-constitutional-rights/ http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/themes/Gateway-Pundit-Wordpress-Theme/images/btn-prev-post.jpg (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/un-ambassador-rice-wrong-again-us-popularity-in-arab-world-plummeted-under-obama/) http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/themes/Gateway-Pundit-Wordpress-Theme/images/btn-next-post.jpg (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/mitt-romney-continues-to-lead-obama-in-latest-rasmussen-poll/) Obama’s Freedom of Permissible Speech Bows Before Islam. http://thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/free-speech2.jpg (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/obama-uses-mideast-chaos-to-attack-our-constitutional-rights/free-speech2/) Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. The framers of our Constitution knew that power lay within those allowed to define (and restrict) such things as “evil”. Thus, the first stone cemented in the fortress of our Bill of Rights safeguarded against those who would abuse that power. Freshly removed from the oppression of a ruling elite rationing liberty through a prejudiced and punishing fist, Americans were returned their God-given right to hear, see, and speak under their own free will. The First Amendment gives us the freedom to speak and debate and determine for ourselves what defines evil. We do not let evil define itself to us. Islamic Outrage Against America’s Freedom of Speech On September 11, 2012 violent Islamists stormed the U.S. Embassy in Cairo (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/egyptian-islamists-scale-us-embassy-walls-and-torch-american-flag/), removed our American flag, torched it, and replaced it with their own black flag of Islam. U.S. Embassy Denounces America’s Right of Free Speech…White House Is Silent The response from the Obama administration was to let the U.S. Embassy denounce (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/on-9-11-obama-administration-apologizes-to-islamists-and-attacks-the-constitution/), to the entire planet, our First Amendment right of Free Speech. Here is the U.S. Embassy’s press release (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/good-grief-us-embassy-in-egypt-apologizes-after-islamists-storm-its-walls-torch-flag/): U.S. Embassy Condemns Religious Incitement September 11, 2012 The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Our citizens gave this traitor more time to destroy. Our government attempts to limit our free speech by giving Islam exemption from any criticisms. Thats why I take my stand, the man proves his treason. He has no authority despite his position to try to limit my right of free speech . I'll speak out against Islam and its murdering campaign despite anything that scum says or does. FF-HIM!! -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 998] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-21-2012 06:46 PM I believe it was fj who first referred to your "blather"-- More parroted transference. It me who wont take your bait; you wont accept a challenge. Ad hominem attacks and other assorted Logical fallacies is all you've got. It's no wonder you refuse to debate me, You're a walking talking fallacy...correction, you're standing, immovable. You recuse yourself from any discussion of information which challenge your view. You're ignorant at best. Keep on crying dude and proclaiming your false victory. :laugh2: The more you post the more you reveal your false face. I find that simply delightful! You launched the first attack but as usual you fail. I find it funny as hell that you attempt to defeat TRUTH. That you think yourself clever enough to hide your true agenda and your deceit.--:laugh:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 999] Author : aboutime Date : 11-21-2012 07:15 PM Title : The Obama Legacy, a deep view into hell. All of us should remember, over the next four years. How Mister Obama's legacy probably won't be viewed positively by History books. I mention this as a reminder that Obama WILL be remembered. Even more than Jimmy Carter, for his success at the destruction of the United States, as the One, and Only Sitting, Elected STOOGE that managed to fool so many. When History mentions Obama. ACORNS will always come to mind. And Historic examples of Hatred, combined with Ignorance, and a deep Racism that will never go away...will, if this nation survives. Be a huge DIRTY SMEAR on the Human Race. And not even Socialism, Marxism, or Communism will be strong enough to reverse it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1000] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-21-2012 07:23 PM All of us should remember, over the next four years. How Mister Obama's legacy probably won't be viewed positively by History books. I mention this as a reminder that Obama WILL be remembered. Even more than Jimmy Carter, for his success at the destruction of the United States, as the One, and Only Sitting, Elected STOOGE that managed to fool so many. When History mentions Obama. ACORNS will always come to mind. And Historic examples of Hatred, combined with Ignorance, and a deep Racism that will never go away...will, if this nation survives. Be a huge DIRTY SMEAR on the Human Race. And not even Socialism, Marxism, or Communism will be strong enough to reverse it. My friend, obama plans on being able to rewrite history as the victor. That is after he destroys our nation. The smucks havent figured it out yet. As usual they will only after its too late. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1001] Author : aboutime Date : 11-21-2012 07:26 PM My friend, obama plans on being able to rewrite history as the victor. That is after he destroys our nation. The smucks havent figured it out yet. As usual they will only after its too late. --Tyr And, when it's too late. The schmucks will be out in the wilderness. Trying to explain WHY they were the first to become even poorer than they were...all of those years Obama promised them the MOON, and dropped his pants, bent over and GAVE IT TO THEM. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1002] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-21-2012 07:35 PM And, when it's too late. The schmucks will be out in the wilderness. Trying to explain WHY they were the first to become even poorer than they were...all of those years Obama promised them the MOON, and dropped his pants, bent over and GAVE IT TO THEM. Myself, I hope most of them got what they deserved and are dead. Especially all those so active in destroying our nation. After all they fully supported, glorifed and idolised a destroyer. They will deserve all the misery he will heap upon them.Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1003] Author : logroller Date : 11-21-2012 10:13 PM false false fail truth truth. :laugh: SQUAWK! I'm a parrot.:laugh2: -TYR Can you present evidence to anything you proclaim as "false" or "truth"-- or just backing up your opinion with more opinion? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1004] Author : logroller Date : 11-21-2012 10:34 PM My friend, obama plans on being able to rewrite history as the victor. That is after he destroys our nation. The smucks havent figured it out yet. As usual they will only after its too late. --Tyr You better get going on that legal and peaceful secession...before its too late. :rolleyes: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1005] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-22-2012 09:55 AM Can you present evidence to anything you proclaim as "false" or "truth"-- or just backing up your opinion with more opinion? Evidence? This thread is 67 pages long with over a 1000 posts and I've presented lots of linked evidence, you could start with post number 997 on this page. Then if interested in evidence go back through this thread , you'll find plenty. I seriously doubt you will do that or that you truly even want to see any evidence that I present unless is to attempt to ridicule it. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1006] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-22-2012 10:04 AM You better get going on that legal and peaceful secession...before its too late. :rolleyes: I havent signed a petition to secede . Although should one be presented to me I will sign it. Perhaps you should drop the vindictive attitude and research this subject better . The tens of thousands that are petioning to secede are not radicals, rather they for the most part are disillusioned citizens that understand our corrupt government is on a path to destroy this nation with obama(traitor) leading the charge. No doubt many millions more feel the same way but have not been approached to sign anything. While you attempt to belittle those that petition I applaud them for their insight, honesty and courage! For their patriotism and drive to take legal action! For their loyalty to the nation and its constitution. They seek to peacefully cast off this oppressive , corrupt and illegal government the traitor Obama has created. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1007] Author : Kathianne Date : 11-22-2012 10:14 AM I havent signed a petition to secede . Although should one be presented to me I will sign it. Perhaps you should drop the vindictive attitude and research this subject better . The tens of thousands that are petioning to secede are not radicals, rather they for the most part are disillusioned citizens that understand our corrupt government is on a path to destroy this nation with obama(traitor) leading the charge. No doubt many millions more feel the same way but have not been approached to sign anything. While you attempt to belittle those that petition I applaud them for their insight, honesty and courage! For their patriotism and drive to take legal action! For their loyalty to the nation and its constitution. They seek to peacefully cast off this oppressive , corrupt and illegal government the traitor Obama has created. -Tyr I doubt you'll ever be 'handed one of those petitions', they're online at the White House. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1008] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-22-2012 10:33 AM I doubt you'll ever be 'handed one of those petitions', they're online at the White House. Too bad then, no way will I deal with the current CORRUPTED ADMINISTRATION VOLUNTARILY. I DO NOT ASSOCIATE OR CORRESPOND WITH TRAITORS , THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE QUALIFIES IMHO.-Tyr http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-administration-aided-al-qaeda-benghazi-allowed-stevens-to-die Benghazi Libya (http://www.debatepolicy.com/topic/benghazi-libya) Barack Obama (http://www.debatepolicy.com/topic/barack-obama) Treason (http://www.debatepolicy.com/topic/treason) Last night before the last of the 2012 presidential debates, former CIA (http://www.debatepolicy.com/topic/cia) officer, Clare Lopez was a guest on the Glenn Beck (http://www.glennbeck.com/)TV show and she discussed (http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/10/22/former-cia-officer-obama-administration-let-ambassador-stevens-die/)the attack on the U.S. embassy on Benghazi, Libya, where four U.S. citizens, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens were murdered. Despite what the mainstream media and the Obama administration have publicly stated, Lopez told (http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/10/22/former-cia-officer-obama-administration-let-ambassador-stevens-die/) Beck, “What went on in Benghazi had its roots much further back.” What came out of the interview on the show presented a startling revelation that, “It was to act as official U.S. government liaison to Al-Qaeda (http://www.debatepolicy.com/topic/alqaeda) linked Jihadist militias. And they would include some of the same people now trying to overthrow Assad in Syria,” Lopez said. On October 18, 2012, Clare Lopez wrote an analysis of what really seems to be the reasons as her article points out that arms were flowing to Syria and that may be behind the Benghazi cover-up. She stated (http://www.radicalislam.org/analysis/arms-flow-syria-may-be-behind-beghazi-cover) in her analysis: During the 2011 Libyan revolt against Muammar Qaddafi, reckless U.S. policy flung American forces and money into the conflict on the side of the rebels, who were known at the time to include Al-Qaeda elements. Previously the number two official at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, Christopher Stevens was named as the official U.S. liaison to the Libyan opposition in March, 2011. Stevens was tasked with helping to coordinate U.S. assistance to the rebels, whose top military commander, Abdelhakim Belhadj, was the leader of the Al-Qaeda affiliate, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). That means -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1009] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-25-2012 09:08 PM http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/obama-uses-mideast-chaos-to-attack-our-constitutional-rights/ http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/themes/Gateway-Pundit-Wordpress-Theme/images/btn-prev-post.jpg (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/un-ambassador-rice-wrong-again-us-popularity-in-arab-world-plummeted-under-obama/) http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/themes/Gateway-Pundit-Wordpress-Theme/images/btn-next-post.jpg (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/mitt-romney-continues-to-lead-obama-in-latest-rasmussen-poll/) Obama’s Freedom of Permissible Speech Bows Before Islam. http://thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/free-speech2.jpg (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/obama-uses-mideast-chaos-to-attack-our-constitutional-rights/free-speech2/) Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. The framers of our Constitution knew that power lay within those allowed to define (and restrict) such things as “evil”. Thus, the first stone cemented in the fortress of our Bill of Rights safeguarded against those who would abuse that power. Freshly removed from the oppression of a ruling elite rationing liberty through a prejudiced and punishing fist, Americans were returned their God-given right to hear, see, and speak under their own free will. The First Amendment gives us the freedom to speak and debate and determine for ourselves what defines evil. We do not let evil define itself to us. Islamic Outrage Against America’s Freedom of Speech On September 11, 2012 violent Islamists stormed the U.S. Embassy in Cairo (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/egyptian-islamists-scale-us-embassy-walls-and-torch-american-flag/), removed our American flag, torched it, and replaced it with their own black flag of Islam. U.S. Embassy Denounces America’s Right of Free Speech…White House Is Silent The response from the Obama administration was to let the U.S. Embassy denounce (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/on-9-11-obama-administration-apologizes-to-islamists-and-attacks-the-constitution/), to the entire planet, our First Amendment right of Free Speech. Here is the U.S. Embassy’s press release (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/good-grief-us-embassy-in-egypt-apologizes-after-islamists-storm-its-walls-torch-flag/): U.S. Embassy Condemns Religious Incitement September 11, 2012 The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Our citizens gave this traitor more time to destroy. Our government attempts to limit our free speech by giving Islam exemption from any criticisms. Thats why I take my stand, the man proves his treason. He has no authority despite his position to try to limit my right of free speech . I'll speak out against Islam and its murdering campaign despite anything that scum says or does. FF-HIM!! -Tyr ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How many Americans truly understand what was done? That our government (U.S. Embassy) renounced our free speech rights to the world as a cover to use a film's portrayal of Muhammad to excuse the actions of muslim terrorists that murdered Americans! Now we have that same leader , that same government to rule us again! Folks, this isnt very likely to end well for us.. And thats putting it mildly! Our current government did so of its own choosing!! Even people not too bright should get the flavor of that IMHO..--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1010] Author : aboutime Date : 11-26-2012 02:39 PM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How many Americans truly understand what was done? That our government (U.S. Embassy) renounced our free speech rights to the world as a cover to use a film's portrayal of Muhammad to excuse the actions of muslim terrorists that murdered Americans! Now we have that same leader , that same government to rule us again! Folks, this isnt very likely to end well for us.. And thats putting it mildly! Our current government did so of its own choosing!! Even people not too bright should get the flavor of that IMHO..--Tyr Tyr. We all know it. But. As you said. Even those Not Too Bright Americans we think SHOULD get it. Refuse to, and really. Just don't care. They live from day to day. Convinced THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO. So. The American Idol principle is their guide. A few beers, rest from the Terrible, Unfair World every night, and the hopes that they have a job to make money....IS ALL MOST AMERICANS CARE ABOUT. Those of us who come to forums like this, or those who watch, and listen to Political programs....are a TINY percentage in a nation going UNDER. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1011] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-27-2012 08:30 PM Tyr. We all know it. But. As you said. Even those Not Too Bright Americans we think SHOULD get it. Refuse to, and really. Just don't care. They live from day to day. Convinced THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO. So. The American Idol principle is their guide. A few beers, rest from the Terrible, Unfair World every night, and the hopes that they have a job to make money....IS ALL MOST AMERICANS CARE ABOUT. Those of us who come to forums like this, or those who watch, and listen to Political programs....are a TINY percentage in a nation going UNDER. The liberal public education system has managed to destroy our national Spirit, to demonise Patriotism , to glorify flag burning and to teach our children that America has pretty much raped the rest of the world. Gone are the days of reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, teaching the true foundation of this nation and thanking God for this gift that he gave us! We used to recite a prayer of thanks to God first thing in first class in school evry morning. When they took God and Discipline out of school they knew the rest would be easy. The leeches have produced ever greater numbers of leeches to feed at the government's table. We went from it being a shame to have to receive food stamps to it being a right . We have great enemies within our nation aiding great enemies outside our nation topped with lazy people that think to hell with everybody else I want mine and its owed to me! Thats what has been taught and encouraged by government. We are on a crash course for a truly great national disaster and its been planned all along... -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1012] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-30-2012 07:41 PM This is why I take my stand....--Tyr http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/islamic-law-in-america/ Sharia law in Arizona: Muslim mom gets probation after brutally 'beating daughter and burning her with hot spoon' for talking to a boy at school, Devout Dad freed after stabbing her in the throat (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/11/sharia-law-in-arizona-muslim-mom-gets-probation-after-beating-daughter-and-burning-her-with-hot-spoo.html) This is Arizona. Not Yemen, not Iran, but Phoenix. A Muslim mother was sentenced to two years' probation after she was accused of beating her teenage daughter because the girl refused to go along with an arranged marriage and was spotted talking to a male student at her high school. Her devout Muslim father cut his daughter's neck with a knife on February 7, leaving a one-and-a-half inch wound. He had admitted trying to kill her with the knife. And they are freed. This is sharia in America. Honor violence is not merely sanctioned in Islam, it is encouraged. And honor murder of the offspring is sanctioned under Islam: read it, page 584 in Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0915957728/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0915957728&linkCode=as2&tag=atlashru0c-20)http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=atlashru0c-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0915957728. Obama say, "respect it!" Four more years! "Woman gets probation after 'beating daughter and burning her with hot spoon' for speaking to a boy at school" Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229264/Woman-gets-probation-beating-daughter-burning-hot-spoon-refused-arranged-marriage.html)http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef017c333b9801970b-250wi (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef017c333b9801970b-pi) Sentenced: Yursah Farhan (right) , 51, was given two years' probation for unlawful imprisonment of her daughter, 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi An Iraqi mother was sentenced to two years' probation after she was accused of beating her teenage daughter because the girl refused to go along with an arranged marriage and was spotted talking a male student at her high school. Yursah Farhan, 51, who lives in Phoenix, Arizona, was spared jail time in exchange for a guilty plea to unlawful imprisonment of her daughter, 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi. The girl's father, Mohammed Altameemi, 46, also received two years’ probation for disorderly conduct, and her 18-year-old sister, Tabarak Altameemi, received the same sentence for assault. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch for much more of this type insanity and for greater calls for Sharia law so that these people can not be prosecuted for these crimes! The next for years will see much more of this because justice and Our Constitution is under constant attack by Federal governmenmt and groups such as the muslims that seek to establish their law!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1013] Author : Larrymc Date : 11-30-2012 07:50 PM Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ?Now is the time to declare the US Christian Nation it will slow the flood of Muslims, stop there hopes of taking this country, even for those who appose religion, at lest we could preserve what we have, which is real Freedom -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1014] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-30-2012 07:58 PM Now is the time to declare the US Christian Nation it will slow the flood of Muslims, stop there hopes of taking this country, even for those who appose religion, at lest we could preserve what we have, which is real Freedom WE HAD BETTER NOT REMAIN ASLEEP, THEY DO NOT STOP DOING THEIR HIDDEN AGENDA! Best thing we can do is uphold the Constitution. Our Constitution actually forbids most of Islam as its presented in their Sharia law! Basicly if they can not implement Sharia law in any form they can not overthrow us except by violence. However history has shown they love violence and murdering their way into power. So we had best get prepared for that path. For they will take it and murder as many as they can. 1400+ YEARS AND THEY STILL WAGE THE TAKE OVER THE WORLD BY MURDER AND FORCE CAMPAIGN.--TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1015] Author : aboutime Date : 11-30-2012 08:07 PM WE HAD BETTER NOT REMAIN ASLEEP, THEY DO NOT STOP DOING THEIR HIDDEN AGENDA! Best thing we can do is uphold the Constitution. Our Constitution actually forbids most of Islam as its presented in their Sharia law! Basicly if they can not implement Sharia law in any form they can not overthrow us except by violence. However history has shown they love violence and murdering their way into power. So we had best get prepared for that path. For they will take it and murder as many as they can. 1400+ YEARS AND THEY STILL WAGE THE TAKE OVER THE WORLD BY MURDER AND FORCE CAMPAIGN.--TYR Under NO circumstances do we allow Obama, or any other Phony American who pretends to represent Tolerance by allowing Illegals, or Law breakers who disrespect, or disobey our Constitution to achieve their power, under the guise of Religious freedom in the form of Islam, or Muslim laws. The moment we stop standing up for our Nation, and our Constitution. THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM who come as False Prophets will get the upper hand. I, Personally Refuse to allow ANYONE to Destroy My Nation, and I will defend My nation...even if I must DIE in doing so. My family, and fellow Honest Americans come before me and the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR or phony Politicians like our Present Pretend President. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1016] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-30-2012 08:15 PM Under NO circumstances do we allow Obama, or any other Phony American who pretends to represent Tolerance by allowing Illegals, or Law breakers who disrespect, or disobey our Constitution to achieve their power, under the guise of Religious freedom in the form of Islam, or Muslim laws. The moment we stop standing up for our Nation, and our Constitution. THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM who come as False Prophets will get the upper hand. I, Personally Refuse to allow ANYONE to Destroy My Nation, and I will defend My nation...even if I must DIE in doing so. My family, and fellow Honest Americans come before me and the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR or phony Politicians like our Present Pretend President. How many more in this nation or even at this site will make that same pledge? I have and do so again here and now.. My family comes before anything else in my life. Americans had better get ready --to have to fight-- simply because the Islamists will force it sooner or later.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1017] Author : aboutime Date : 11-30-2012 08:22 PM How many more in this nation or even at this site will make that same pledge? I have and do so again here and now.. My family comes before anything else in my life. Americans had better get ready --to have to fight-- simply because the Islamists will force it sooner or later.-Tyr Tyr. The biggest problem is. Far too many Americans have no idea what is taking place, and if anyone says such things to them. As we have done here. They just laugh, and call us nuts, crazy, or off our rockers. Let them. Mister Obama, and the Enemies of America are working together. Almost feverishly, but quietly to destroy this nation. And, as OBL promised. Much like many other former Communist leaders from the 50's, and 60's. They have been successful at Dividing us as a people first. Our money is right behind their quest to destroy capitalism. It is shrinking in value. And once it's gone. THEY WIN. Because they have managed to FOOL the people into believing ONLY GOVERNMENT can save them. UNTIL Government ARRESTS THEM. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1018] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-30-2012 08:23 PM Lets not forget how they have muslim terrorist training camps here , at least 35 of them and our government does nothing about it! http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/01/30/southern-poverty-law-center-sic-muslim-brotherhoods-terror-training-camps-inside-the-usa/ http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/1301770211-67.jpg?w=300&h=224 (http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/01/30/southern-poverty-law-center-sic-muslim-brotherhoods-terror-training-camps-inside-the-usa/1301770211-67-3/) The Conspiracy to Establish a Jihad Training Camp in Bly, Oregon File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat file download Jihad training camp, despite the fact that the property did not have any permanent living facilities, bathroom facilities, or electricity. … www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/…/NEFA_Bly0609.pdf (http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/NEFA_Bly0609.pdf) Islamic Jihad Training in America? May 22, 2006 … American Muslims engaged in the establishment of training camps in the U.S., … MILITANT JIHAD TRAINING – OR JUST RELIGIOUS TRAINING? … Canada Free Press (http://www.debatepolicy.com/www.canadafreepress.com/2006/hagmann052206.htm) Much of this information is outdated. I am launching a search for more up-to-date information. I would appreciate any help U.S.Militia members & others could add to this. Want to stay abreast of the latest developments in the fight against the “Islamification of America?” Join us at American Infidels (http://americaninfidels.ning.com/main/authorization/signUp?) http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/terrorist-network-map.gif?w=588 (http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/01/30/southern-poverty-law-center-sic-muslim-brotherhoods-terror-training-camps-inside-the-usa/terrorist-network-map-5/) Obama’s September Surprise: Islamic Acorn – Islam Granted ‘Direct Access’ To Taxpayer’s Stimulus Grants, For The Muslim Brotherhood (http://politicalvelcraft.org/2010/09/26/obamas-september-surprise-islamic-acorn-islam-granted-%e2%80%98direct-access%e2%80%99-to-taxpayers-stimulus-grants-for-the-muslim-brotherhood/) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1019] Author : aboutime Date : 11-30-2012 09:09 PM Tyr. The biggest problem is. Far too many Americans have no idea what is taking place, and if anyone says such things to them. As we have done here. They just laugh, and call us nuts, crazy, or off our rockers. Let them. Mister Obama, and the Enemies of America are working together. Almost feverishly, but quietly to destroy this nation. And, as OBL promised. Much like many other former Communist leaders from the 50's, and 60's. They have been successful at Dividing us as a people first. Our money is right behind their quest to destroy capitalism. It is shrinking in value. And once it's gone. THEY WIN. Because they have managed to FOOL the people into believing ONLY GOVERNMENT can save them. UNTIL Government ARRESTS THEM. 4096 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1020] Author : Larrymc Date : 11-30-2012 11:01 PM [QUOTE=aboutime;596715]Under NO circumstances do we allow Obama, or any other Phony American who pretends to represent Tolerance by allowing Illegals, or Law breakers who disrespect, or disobey our Constitution to achieve their power, under the guise of Religious freedom in the form of Islam, or Muslim laws. The moment we stop standing up for our Nation, and our Constitution. THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM who come as False Prophets will get the upper hand. I, Personally Refuse to allow ANYONE to Destroy My Nation, and I will defend My nation...even if I must DIE in doing so. My family, and fellow Honest Americans come before me and the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR or phony Politicians like our Present Pretend President. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1021] Author : Larrymc Date : 11-30-2012 11:03 PM [QUOTE=aboutime;596715]Under NO circumstances do we allow Obama, or any other Phony American who pretends to represent Tolerance by allowing Illegals, or Law breakers who disrespect, or disobey our Constitution to achieve their power, under the guise of Religious freedom in the form of Islam, or Muslim laws. The moment we stop standing up for our Nation, and our Constitution. THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM who come as False Prophets will get the upper hand. I, Personally Refuse to allow ANYONE to Destroy My Nation, and I will defend My nation...even if I must DIE in doing so. My family, and fellow Honest Americans come before me and the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR or phony Politicians like our Present Pretend President. whats sad is the immoral and the deviants, think there finally winning, and the "do what fells good crowd" could care less, but believers know the Bible tell us this will happen, i had hope to keep pushing it back for our kids and grand kids, but with the most Anti-America and Anti-God President in history being reelected, im afraid God may have given America over to the end times, sounds grime and i hope im wrong, but when half the country is Democrats and call them selves Christians, you know that's a big one to, when man begins to call evil good, like murdering baby's for convenience, and Homosexuality an alternative life style to name a few. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1022] Author : aboutime Date : 12-01-2012 10:10 AM [QUOTE=Larrymc;596742] whats sad is the immoral and the deviants, think there finally winning, and the "do what fells good crowd" could care less, but believers know the Bible tell us this will happen, i had hope to keep pushing it back for our kids and grand kids, but with the most Anti-America and Anti-God President in history being reelected, im afraid God may have given America over to the end times, sounds grime and i hope im wrong, but when half the country is Democrats and call them selves Christians, you know that's a big one to, when man begins to call evil good, like murdering baby's for convenience, and Homosexuality an alternative life style to name a few. Larrymc. I tend to agree with you all the way. But then. Few Liberal, Obama-ites really care what you, or I believe here. As for some of them claiming to be Christians. That's merely a cover we've heard many Liberals use to hide their real feelings as they question, and ridicule anyone who is a Christian that doesn't agree with them. In other words. They are really Agnostic, but pretend to be Christian in order to keep favor with others as a means of avoiding being labeled as racists. Personally. Every time I hear someone speak from both sides of their mouth. Like Mister Obama. Luring his so-called Christian Liberal followers into being deceived by false promises. That is a RED FLAG. And it identifies the Hypocrite, Liar, and pretender instantly. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1023] Author : Larrymc Date : 12-01-2012 10:13 AM [QUOTE=Larrymc;596743] Larrymc. I tend to agree with you all the way. But then. Few Liberal, Obama-ites really care what you, or I believe here. As for some of them claiming to be Christians. That's merely a cover we've heard many Liberals use to hide their real feelings as they question, and ridicule anyone who is a Christian that doesn't agree with them. In other words. They are really Agnostic, but pretend to be Christian in order to keep favor with others as a means of avoiding being labeled as racists. Personally. Every time I hear someone speak from both sides of their mouth. Like Mister Obama. Luring his so-called Christian Liberal followers into being deceived by false promises. That is a RED FLAG. And it identifies the Hypocrite, Liar, and pretender instantly. i don't think i could agree more -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1024] Author : aboutime Date : 12-01-2012 10:21 AM [QUOTE=aboutime;596774] i don't think i could agree more If we really think about it seriously. This is much larger than any of us have the power to change, or do anything about. There is strength in numbers. And we can only depend on the large number of Americans who HONESTLY are Christians 24/7 365, and not when it serves their selfish purposes only. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1025] Author : Larrymc Date : 12-01-2012 10:37 AM [QUOTE=Larrymc;596775] If we really think about it seriously. This is much larger than any of us have the power to change, or do anything about. There is strength in numbers. And we can only depend on the large number of Americans who HONESTLY are Christians 24/7 365, and not when it serves their selfish purposes only.the problem is many Christians have been convinced that debating or even discussing politics is not the Christian way, and driven by fear of the Government taking there tax exemption for church's, me personally i never took politics serious until i became a Christian and realized that God speaks through his people, so if we act like good little Christians and stay out of the proses, and as many think leave it to God, which has been done for to long, missing the point that God is only injected into the proses by his people, if they do nothing than God will do the same -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1026] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-01-2012 11:51 AM [QUOTE=Larrymc;596775] If we really think about it seriously. This is much larger than any of us have the power to change, or do anything about. There is strength in numbers. And we can only depend on the large number of Americans who HONESTLY are Christians 24/7 365, and not when it serves their selfish purposes only. We have to first make more Americans wake up. Ignorance of Islam's goals and its hidden agenda here is what they want to keep intact. First step, exspose the great threat!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1027] Author : Larrymc Date : 12-01-2012 11:57 AM [QUOTE=aboutime;596776] We have to first make more Americans wake up. Ignorance of Islam's goals and its hidden agenda here is what they want to keep intact. First step, exspose the great threat!-TyrQuestion is how, when to many don't want to face it?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1028] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-01-2012 11:59 AM [QUOTE=aboutime;596776]the problem is many Christians have been convinced that debating or even discussing politics is not the Christian way, and driven by fear of the Government taking there tax exemption for church's, me personally i never took politics serious until i became a Christian and realized that God speaks through his people, so if we act like good little Christians and stay out of the proses, and as many think leave it to God, which has been done for to long, missing the point that God is only injected into the proses by his people, if they do nothing than God will do the same This threat is one that the Christians can not ignore for much longer! For when its too late they may be inside a gas chamber wondering what happened as did the Jews in Hitler's Germany. Which is not really that far fetched when one studies what muslim controlled countries do. Muslims are influencing more in our politics everyday while Christians are castigated for even requesting just basic decency in our politicians! Muslims are buying influence, making threats and seeking special rights not granted to other religions! With obama's second term watch how his administration will give more and more power to the Islamists. He is already giving many billions of our tax dollars to Islamists!! -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1029] Author : aboutime Date : 12-01-2012 11:59 AM [QUOTE=Tyr-Ziu Saxnot;596789]Question is how, when to many don't want to face it?? Larrymc. You are using the QUOTE to credit me for Tyr's post, and Tyr's posts for mine. Don't know how you are doing it. But I thought you'd like to know. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1030] Author : Larrymc Date : 12-01-2012 12:06 PM [QUOTE=Larrymc;596779] This threat is one that the Christians can not ignore for much longer! For when its too late they may be inside a gas chamber wondering what happened as did the Jews in Hitler's Germany. Which is not really that far fetched when one studies what muslim controlled countries do. Muslims are influencing more in our politics everyday while Christians are castigated for even requesting just basic decency in our politicians! Muslims are buying influence, making threats and seeking special rights not granted to other religions! With obama's second term watch how his administration will give more and more power to the Islamists. He is already giving many billions of our tax dollars to Islamists!! -Tyr i don't think we have to worry about gas chambers, they prefer beheading, which is what Revelation says they will be doing in the end times, -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1031] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-01-2012 12:07 PM [QUOTE=Tyr-Ziu Saxnot;596789]Question is how, when to many don't want to face it?? FIRST , DESTROY THIS INSANE PC CONCEPT THAT ITS TABOO TO DISCUSS IT. Since its a reality, a real threat talk about it often. Ignore te critics because they are either muslim or sold out appeasors worthy of only absolute contempt. Next seek out politicians that are taking a strong stand against it, encourage other politicians to do likewise. Donate time or money to causes that are here and now defending against it. The muslims already spend many hundreds of millions yearly here to advance their insanity. Never vote for a muslim sympathiser not matter what that person may have going for them otherwise. Get serious or give up on survival. All Americans need to study Islam and its absolutely violent history to se that its had no reformation. In fact the Koran is written in such a manner as to be practicly immune to any reformation. First reason is that they so quickly kill muslim opponents of its true goals! --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1032] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-03-2012 10:37 AM Another reason that I take my stand here and now. When not if, they crank up here in USA we will see this and more. -Tyr Victims of alleged human rights violations in Indonesia, a country where human rights courts set up in 2000 have yet to convict a single case, are facing an uphill battle to bring perpetrators to justice. Data from local NGO Commission for Missing Persons and Victims of Violence (Kontras) estimates more than one million people suffered rights abuses between 1965 and 1998 that took place largely under President Suharto’s military rule, which ended in 1998 with his forced resignation. “We have an unusual situation in this country. You have all these human rights violations but as things stand, no-one has been found guilty in a human rights court,” said Haris Azhar, co-ordinator of Kontras. In 2000 the Indonesian parliament created human rights courts to hear and rule on cases concerning gross violations of human rights. Over 12 years, 12 cases have come before the country’s four human rights courts, with no resulting convictions. Enforced disappearances In the tumultuous run-up to the country’s first steps towards democracy in 1998, university students challenging the military regime began disappearing --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And This.. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Weekly Jihad Report Nov. 24 - Nov. 30 Jihad Attacks: 53 Allahu Akbars*: 6 Dead Bodies: 272 Critically Injured: 743 *Suicide Attacks http://www.debatepolicy.com/index_files/LeftNavLine.gif http://www.debatepolicy.com/index_files/got-quran.jpg (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/quran.htm) http://www.debatepolicy.com/index_files/LeftNavLine.gif Monthly Jihad Report November, 2012 Jihad Attacks: 215 Countries: 22 Religions: 5 Dead Bodies: 893 Critically Injured: 1848 http://www.debatepolicy.com/index_files/LeftNavLine.gif http://www.debatepolicy.com/index_files/resources.jpg Dhimwit of the MonthCity of Hamburg (http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3456/hamburg-muslim-treaty) November 2012Thomas R. Pickering (http://frontpagemag.com/2012/matthew-vadum/benghazi-investigator-slams-america-islamophobes/) October 2012Susan Rice (http://juneauempire.com/opinion/2012-09-21/susan-rices-dodge) September 2012Barack Obama (http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/islam_a_religion_of_peace_actions_say_otherwise.html) August 2012Professor Robert (http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/07/23/227956.html) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1033] Author : Dilloduck Date : 12-03-2012 11:25 AM This is why I take my stand....--Tyr http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/islamic-law-in-america/ Sharia law in Arizona: Muslim mom gets probation after brutally 'beating daughter and burning her with hot spoon' for talking to a boy at school, Devout Dad freed after stabbing her in the throat (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/11/sharia-law-in-arizona-muslim-mom-gets-probation-after-beating-daughter-and-burning-her-with-hot-spoo.html) This is Arizona. Not Yemen, not Iran, but Phoenix. A Muslim mother was sentenced to two years' probation after she was accused of beating her teenage daughter because the girl refused to go along with an arranged marriage and was spotted talking to a male student at her high school. Her devout Muslim father cut his daughter's neck with a knife on February 7, leaving a one-and-a-half inch wound. He had admitted trying to kill her with the knife. And they are freed. This is sharia in America. Honor violence is not merely sanctioned in Islam, it is encouraged. And honor murder of the offspring is sanctioned under Islam: read it, page 584 in Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0915957728/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0915957728&linkCode=as2&tag=atlashru0c-20)http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=atlashru0c-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0915957728. Obama say, "respect it!" Four more years! "Woman gets probation after 'beating daughter and burning her with hot spoon' for speaking to a boy at school" Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229264/Woman-gets-probation-beating-daughter-burning-hot-spoon-refused-arranged-marriage.html)http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef017c333b9801970b-250wi (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef017c333b9801970b-pi) Sentenced: Yursah Farhan (right) , 51, was given two years' probation for unlawful imprisonment of her daughter, 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi An Iraqi mother was sentenced to two years' probation after she was accused of beating her teenage daughter because the girl refused to go along with an arranged marriage and was spotted talking a male student at her high school. Yursah Farhan, 51, who lives in Phoenix, Arizona, was spared jail time in exchange for a guilty plea to unlawful imprisonment of her daughter, 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi. The girl's father, Mohammed Altameemi, 46, also received two years’ probation for disorderly conduct, and her 18-year-old sister, Tabarak Altameemi, received the same sentence for assault. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch for much more of this type insanity and for greater calls for Sharia law so that these people can not be prosecuted for these crimes! The next for years will see much more of this because justice and Our Constitution is under constant attack by Federal governmenmt and groups such as the muslims that seek to establish their law!-Tyr I don't think what appears to be a lenient punishment is Sharia law. I'm a bit shocked by what good old native born American murderers can get away with as far as "punishment". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1034] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-03-2012 11:33 AM I don't think what appears to be a lenient punishment is Sharia law. I'm a bit shocked by what good old native born American murderers can get away with as far as "punishment". Me too!!! But how does that excuse Sharia law or present it as anything other than barbaric and unjust religious law that is in direct opposition to our freedom , our Constitution/Bill of Rights and our Rule of Law?-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1035] Author : aboutime Date : 12-03-2012 03:46 PM I don't think what appears to be a lenient punishment is Sharia law. I'm a bit shocked by what good old native born American murderers can get away with as far as "punishment". Me too!!! But how does that excuse Sharia law or present it as anything other than barbaric and unjust religious law that is in direct opposition to our freedom , our Constitution/Bill of Rights and our Rule of Law?-Tyr Tyr. Take note how Dilloduck attempted to REVERSE, or CHANGE the subject with a NON-ANSWER pointing another direction. Typical, and As usual. And oddly enough. They actually are convinced. We won't notice what they are doing. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1036] Author : Drummond Date : 12-03-2012 09:02 PM I don't think what appears to be a lenient punishment is Sharia law. I'm a bit shocked by what good old native born American murderers can get away with as far as "punishment". I'm not at all clear as to whether Sharia Law was being exercised. Is this a case of American authorities being very 'politically correct' in being - outrageously ! - tolerant to acts of savagery such as this, because Muslim 'honour' is somehow involved ? But if it was a Sharia judgment, it could perhaps be fitting, the point being that Sharia is not inclined to want to punish harshly for acts such as those committed. Either way, what we have here is toleration of Muslim savagery, where such toleration should not be occurring. THAT is ultimately the issue ... to get to the bottom of why such toleration is happening of such criminality in the US today, and to put an end to it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1037] Author : aboutime Date : 12-03-2012 10:42 PM What I fail to see, or understand here, on this thread is. Why anyone would be seen as endorsing Sharia Law, or suggesting it should be used in Lieu of our Laws under the Constitution. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1038] Author : aboutime Date : 12-04-2012 08:53 AM What I fail to see, or understand here, on this thread is. Why anyone would be seen as endorsing Sharia Law, or suggesting it should be used in Lieu of our Laws under the Constitution. Is there an American out there who has any opinions about Our Congress, SCOTUS, and President looking to Sharia Law, and ignoring Our Constitutional Laws? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1039] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-04-2012 10:08 AM Is there an American out there who has any opinions about Our Congress, SCOTUS, and President looking to Sharia Law, and ignoring Our Constitutional Laws? I bet that at least two SCOTUS judges think Sharia law should be allowed, both are female leftists. One of them so dishonorable that she wouldnt recuse herself in the obamacare case when it was called for ever needed to be called for ! No action taken, she sits there as if she isnt a lying ,dishonorable piece of shit deserving to be put in prison..--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1040] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-04-2012 10:26 AM http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law
Obama Administration Paves the Way for Sharia Lawhttp://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/Courts/Sharia-Law-in-America.png http://w.sharethis.com/images/check-big.png2069 http://w.sharethis.com/images/check-big.png194 http://w.sharethis.com/images/check-big.png54.5K Email Articlehttp://w.sharethis.com/images/check-small.png Print Article Send a Tip (http://www.debatepolicy.com/System/Send%20A%20Tip?page=%2fBig-Government%2f2012%2f08%2f03%2fObama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law) by William Bigelow (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Columnists/William-Bigelow) 6 Aug 2012 737 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#disqus_thread)post a comment (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#comments) The most terrifying danger Americans face from a second Barack Obama term isn’t the economy, which is scary enough.The most harrowing prospect is the Obama Administration’s passivity in the face of attempts to introduce aspects of sharia law into our legal system. Now there is strong and open evidence of the Obama administration collaborating with Islamist activists to ensure the path toward sharia law is accelerated. Just last week, Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General of the Department of Justice (DOJ) Civil Rights Division, was asked this question by Trent Franks (R-AZ), a member of the House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution: "Will you tell us here today that this Administration's Department of Justice will never entertain or advance a proposal that criminalizes speech against any religion?" Perez refused (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wwv9l6W8yc) to answer. Four times. And why would Franks target Perez? Here’s why: Last October, at George Washington University, there was a meeting between DOJ officials, including Perez, and Islamist advocates against free speech. Representatives from the Islamist side included Mohamed Magid, president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). The ISNA was an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding trial in 2008, as well as functioning as a Muslim Brotherhood Front. The leader of the Islamist attack was Sahar Aziz, an Egyptian-born American lawyer and Fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, a Muslim advocacy group based in Michigan. At the meeting, the Islamists lobbied for: Cutbacks in U.S. anti-terror training Limits on the power of terrorism investigators Changes in agent training manuals A legal declaration that criticism of Islam in the United States should be considered racial discrimination ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Its coming here folks and soooooooooner than you may think. obama is all for it.--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1041] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-04-2012 10:36 AM I'm not at all clear as to whether Sharia Law was being exercised. Is this a case of American authorities being very 'politically correct' in being - outrageously ! - tolerant to acts of savagery such as this, because Muslim 'honour' is somehow involved ? But if it was a Sharia judgment, it could perhaps be fitting, the point being that Sharia is not inclined to want to punish harshly for acts such as those committed. Either way, what we have here is toleration of Muslim savagery, where such toleration should not be occurring. THAT is ultimately the issue ... to get to the bottom of why such toleration is happening of such criminality in the US today, and to put an end to it. Tolerance when its for Islam is stretched to its infinite max. Tolerance for other religions is often denied and even ridiculed. Thats because Islam has formed an alliance with the lib/leftists here just as they did in Britain. They unite with those seeking destruction of a nation. And we can easily see by looking at Britain how quickly that can start to destroy a nation. Doing nothing is the same as aiding Islam in its goal of destroying not only our culture but our nation! We simply must be made aware of the coming problem with Islam! Even more important is the realisation that we must become pro-active in this mater to even hope to survive it.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1042] Author : aboutime Date : 12-04-2012 04:21 PM Tolerance when its for Islam is stretched to its infinite max. Tolerance for other religions is often denied and even ridiculed. Thats because Islam has formed an alliance with the lib/leftists here just as they did in Britain. They unite with those seeking destruction of a nation. And we can easily see by looking at Britain how quickly that can start to destroy a nation. Doing nothing is the same as aiding Islam in its goal of destroying not only our culture but our nation! We simply must be made aware of the coming problem with Islam! Even more important is the realisation that we must become pro-active in this mater to even hope to survive it.-Tyr Tyr. The most obvious proof that the Obama administration IS paying attention, and trying to use Sharia law, rather than U.S. Constitutional Laws...Obama is sworn to protect, and defend is...THEIR SILENCE. Obama's silence says far more than any, or all of his Known, Repeated Lies to the American people. But those same Americans ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH to know...what questions are SAFE to ask Obama...short of being labeled Racists. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1043] Author : Larrymc Date : 12-04-2012 05:29 PM [QUOTE=Tyr-Ziu Saxnot;597203] Tyr. Take note how Dilloduck attempted to REVERSE, or CHANGE the subject with a NON-ANSWER pointing another direction. Typical, and As usual. And oddly enough. They actually are convinced. We won't notice what they are doing.the sad part is only true Patriots can see whats happening, most others are to involved in there on issues and agenda, i think a lot of the Islamist that live here are peaceful for the most part and enjoy our Freedom, but if Extremist get a hold in this Country they will be quick to flip on America, they will not stand against there on, also they know better than us what the consequences would be, as long as Christianity our main religion was was strong they knew it would be useless to try and take the US, but the liberals, Immoral, deviants and Silent Christians have let God be virtually removed from Government he is out rite rejected by a large part of the Population now, and that same number are ready to leave Israel to defined them selves, this is all they need, while they have no use for any of these groups they are happy to let them do the work, now that the Gays and the Abortion supporters have there on Party we see a Flood of meddle east immigrants, and the groups i mentioned see it as victory -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1044] Author : aboutime Date : 12-04-2012 07:28 PM [QUOTE=aboutime;597241]the sad part is only true Patriots can see whats happening, most others are to involved in there on issues and agenda, i think a lot of the Islamist that live here are peaceful for the most part and enjoy our Freedom, but if Extremist get a hold in this Country they will be quick to flip on America, they will not stand against there on, also they know better than us what the consequences would be, as long as Christianity our main religion was was strong they knew it would be useless to try and take the US, but the liberals, Immoral, deviants and Silent Christians have let God be virtually removed from Government he is out rite rejected by a large part of the Population now, and that same number are ready to leave Israel to defined them selves, this is all they need, while they have no use for any of these groups they are happy to let them do the work, now that the Gays and the Abortion supporters have there on Party we see a Flood of meddle east immigrants, and the groups i mentioned see it as victory Larrymc. This forum is only useful for all of us as a place where we can vent, and get all, or most of the frustrations off our shoulders. Otherwise. Hoping liberal, democrats, lefties, and progressives will take any stock or advice from what we say is just as USELESS as their unexplained reasons WHY they voted for Obama again. None of them really know why they did, other than because their HATRED for the feelings of other Americans who do not support Obama are the only reason they have. Welcome to the Failing, Modern, America THAT USED TO BE. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1045] Author : Larrymc Date : 12-04-2012 07:55 PM [QUOTE=Larrymc;597602] Larrymc. This forum is only useful for all of us as a place where we can vent, and get all, or most of the frustrations off our shoulders. Otherwise. Hoping liberal, democrats, lefties, and progressives will take any stock or advice from what we say is just as USELESS as their unexplained reasons WHY they voted for Obama again. None of them really know why they did, other than because their HATRED for the feelings of other Americans who do not support Obama are the only reason they have. Welcome to the Failing, Modern, America THAT USED TO BE.i know your right i just have to lay it out there, ever how useless it may be, and who knows they may not all be as clueless as most chose to be, maybe they just need it spelled out, I know, I know a hopeless optimist LOL -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1046] Author : aboutime Date : 12-04-2012 07:58 PM [QUOTE=aboutime;597637]i know your right i just have to lay it out there, ever how useless it may be, and who knows they may not all be as clueless as most chose to be, maybe they just need it spelled out, I know, I know a hopeless optimist LOL Larrymc. Nothing wrong with being an Optimist at all. Nothing wrong with thinking, or dreaming Positively either. I think all of us feel that way, and some of us have trouble, or difficulty expressing it EXACTLY they way others think we should. Stay strong. Stay Proud. You are who you are, and nobody can change that! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1047] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-04-2012 09:00 PM [QUOTE=aboutime;597241]the sad part is only true Patriots can see whats happening, most others are to involved in there on issues and agenda, i think a lot of the Islamist that live here are peaceful for the most part and enjoy our Freedom, but if Extremist get a hold in this Country they will be quick to flip on America, they will not stand against there on, also they know better than us what the consequences would be, as long as Christianity our main religion was was strong they knew it would be useless to try and take the US, but the liberals, Immoral, deviants and Silent Christians have let God be virtually removed from Government he is out rite rejected by a large part of the Population now, and that same number are ready to leave Israel to defined them selves, this is all they need, while they have no use for any of these groups they are happy to let them do the work, now that the Gays and the Abortion supporters have there on Party we see a Flood of meddle east immigrants, and the groups i mentioned see it as victory Well, when the fit hits the shan, it'll be patriots prepared to try to save the worthless bastards along with the rest here. And those same worthless SOB's will still not appreciate it.. Clueless bastards with no balls but plenty bigmouths to criticise decent folk!!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1048] Author : Larrymc Date : 12-04-2012 09:22 PM [QUOTE=Larrymc;597602] Well, when the fit hits the shan, it'll be patriots prepared to try to save the worthless bastards along with the rest here. And those same worthless SOB's will still not appreciate it.. Clueless bastards with no balls but plenty bigmouths to criticise decent folk!!-Tyrwell they have bailed us out before, lets hope we have enough the next time (Not for down the road from what i see) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1049] Author : Dilloduck Date : 12-04-2012 10:46 PM I'm not at all clear as to whether Sharia Law was being exercised. Is this a case of American authorities being very 'politically correct' in being - outrageously ! - tolerant to acts of savagery such as this, because Muslim 'honour' is somehow involved ? But if it was a Sharia judgment, it could perhaps be fitting, the point being that Sharia is not inclined to want to punish harshly for acts such as those committed. Either way, what we have here is toleration of Muslim savagery, where such toleration should not be occurring. THAT is ultimately the issue ... to get to the bottom of why such toleration is happening of such criminality in the US today, and to put an end to it. Sharia law can get in line. There's a shitload of corruption going on that puts it to shame. You can't get a corrupt politician to do shit. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1050] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-05-2012 09:01 AM There's a shitload of corruption going on that puts it to shame. You can't get a corrupt politician to do shit. Are you speaking about obama with that comment? Because our nation has never had a politician as corrupt as he is! His open treason should be cause for his impeachment and imprisonment but its celebrated instead. That points to a very grave situation which this nation has never faced before! One of the President being a TRAITOR THATS HELLBENT ON DESTROYING THE NATION! So Sharia law may temporarily take a backseat but know this , obama supports Sharia law coming here too..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1051] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-05-2012 09:08 AM [QUOTE=Tyr-Ziu Saxnot;597657]well they have bailed us out before, lets hope we have enough the next time (Not for down the road from what i see) The problem now is , how many are available and willing to risk everything to go against the bigger government and the almost 50% of the population that has sold its soul for bread and water??? This destruction has been deeply conceived, elaborate and long planned. Starting many decades ago. The frog has just now realised that the water is hot IMHO!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1052] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-05-2012 09:11 AM [QUOTE=Larrymc;597640] Larrymc. Nothing wrong with being an Optimist at all. Nothing wrong with thinking, or dreaming Positively either. I think all of us feel that way, and some of us have trouble, or difficulty expressing it EXACTLY they way others think we should. Stay strong. Stay Proud. You are who you are, and nobody can change that! My friend , thats good advice and we all should strive to heed it. However , some of us know far more than we should about whats really going on. And that makes it extremely hard to follow that advice. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1053] Author : Larrymc Date : 12-05-2012 09:26 AM Are you speaking about obama with that comment? Because our nation has never had a politician as corrupt as he is! His open treason should be cause for his impeachment and imprisonment but its celebrated instead. That points to a very grave situation which this nation has never faced before! One of the President being a TRAITOR THATS HELLBENT ON DESTROYING THE NATION! So Sharia law may temporarily take a backseat but know this , obama supports Sharia law coming here too..-Tyrwhat a sad stat this country must be in when the most Anti-America and Anti-God President in history gets reelected -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1054] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-05-2012 09:33 AM what a sad stat this country must be in when the most Anti-America and Anti-God President in history get reelected True but what is even worse is the huge number of people that see neither the sad state of the nation or the treason and corruption of the "messiah"!! Such delusion on so great a scale points to "spiritual" influence IMHO. AS OF NOW THE DESTROYER IS SEEN AS THE SAVIOUR!! One that can do no wrong! This fallacy, this delusion represents its own great threat to our nation.. And the mainstream media is 100% in on it too! Otherwise it wouldnt have been pulled off --TWICE!--TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1055] Author : Larrymc Date : 12-05-2012 10:03 AM True but what is even worse is the huge number of people that see neither the sad state of the nation or the treason and corruption of the "messiah"!! Such delusion on so great a scale points to "spiritual" influence IMHO. AS OF NOW THE DESTROYER IS SEEN AS THE SAVIOUR!! One that can do no wrong! This fallacy, this delusion represents its own great threat to our nation.. And the mainstream media is 100% in on it too! Otherwise it wouldnt have been pulled off --TWICE!--TYRThis why Obama has no intention to negotiate on the fiscal cliff, Greed and Selfishness runs rampant on all sides and he knows that when it hits there pocket books, even many conservatives while jump ship, which is evident by the ones already back tracking on there pledge to not raise Taxes. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1056] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-05-2012 10:29 AM This why Obama has no intention to negotiate on the fiscal cliff, Greed and Selfishness runs rampant on all sides and he knows that when it hits there pocket books, even many conservatives while jump ship, which is evident by the ones already back tracking on there pledge to not raise Taxes. Obama cares only that he wrecks havoc and destruction here. He knows that the media will always blame the Republican party regardless of the truth . He thinks to win either way that it goes! So he will not compromise and when we go over he will seek to use that newfound (engineered) "crisis" to push through more Unconstitutional crap. America is facing a world changing decision point and its has stepped a big step down the wrong path towards destruction while following this traitor. He will either succeed in destroying the nation his way or by destroying the nation by starting a revolution. I truly believe that he would rather the REVOLUTION because he'd like to see a few million Americans dead from both sides. He wins either way according to his way of thinking. America's greatest folly in this is its delusional embrace of this ffing traitor IMHO! Only a severely dumbed down population(socialist public education system) could be led to make this supreme mistake!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1057] Author : Dilloduck Date : 12-05-2012 11:06 AM Are you speaking about obama with that comment? Because our nation has never had a politician as corrupt as he is! His open treason should be cause for his impeachment and imprisonment but its celebrated instead. That points to a very grave situation which this nation has never faced before! One of the President being a TRAITOR THATS HELLBENT ON DESTROYING THE NATION! So Sharia law may temporarily take a backseat but know this , obama supports Sharia law coming here too..-Tyr Why do you lie? Obama doesn't support Sharia law in America. If you think he does, you better make a damn good case instead of the "read between the lines" ones. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1058] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-05-2012 02:02 PM Why do you lie? Obama doesn't support Sharia law in America. If you think he does, you better make a damn good case instead of the "read between the lines" ones. Read from this threadmy post number 1040 from yesterday. I already made the case.. And do not worry more info will come as obama reveals more of his agenda in the coming months and years. Your blindness does not make him innocent of his actions and destructive policies!! -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1059] Author : aboutime Date : 12-05-2012 02:19 PM Why do you lie? Obama doesn't support Sharia law in America. If you think he does, you better make a damn good case instead of the "read between the lines" ones. Dilloduck, that just won't get you, or Obama off the hook. You are defending Obama. So. You just bought the right to PROVE Obama doesn't support Sharia Law in America to all of us. Most of us know. Obama intentionally stays quiet about that topic to protect his Real FEELINGS, and his A.G. Holder's position. So. If you know for certain, and have proof Obama doesn't support Sharia law. NOW is the time to present the PROOF to back up your assertions above. Reminder. Obama is the Liar you are defending. We have NO NEED to Lie about anything concerning Obama, or his policies. He has made them perfectly clear to THINKING people who pay attention, and know. HE LIES. By the way...this was presented yesterday... Right here on DP: by William Bigelow (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Columnists/William-Bigelow) 6 Aug 2012 737 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#disqus_thread)post a comment (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#comments) The most terrifying danger Americans face from a second Barack Obama term isn’t the economy, which is scary enough. The most harrowing prospect is the Obama Administration’s passivity in the face of attempts to introduce aspects of sharia law into our legal system. Now there is strong and open evidence of the Obama administration collaborating with Islamist activists to ensure the path toward sharia law is accelerated. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1060] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-05-2012 07:09 PM Dilloduck, that just won't get you, or Obama off the hook. You are defending Obama. So. You just bought the right to PROVE Obama doesn't support Sharia Law in America to all of us. Most of us know. Obama intentionally stays quiet about that topic to protect his Real FEELINGS, and his A.G. Holder's position. So. If you know for certain, and have proof Obama doesn't support Sharia law. NOW is the time to present the PROOF to back up your assertions above. Reminder. Obama is the Liar you are defending. We have NO NEED to Lie about anything concerning Obama, or his policies. He has made them perfectly clear to THINKING people who pay attention, and know. HE LIES. By the way...this was presented yesterday... Right here on DP: by William Bigelow (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Columnists/William-Bigelow) 6 Aug 2012 737 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#disqus_thread)post a comment (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#comments) The most terrifying danger Americans face from a second Barack Obama term isn’t the economy, which is scary enough. The most harrowing prospect is the Obama Administration’s passivity in the face of attempts to introduce aspects of sharia law into our legal system. Now there is strong and open evidence of the Obama administration collaborating with Islamist activists to ensure the path toward sharia law is accelerated. Dillo has faith in obama, why I havent a clue. The scum proved that he has ABSOLUTELY no honor and no integrity. Now he will prove his hatred for this nation in the coming years. If we even last that long! It will be no pleasure for me to be able to say, "see I told you so"! My greatest wish is that I am wrong about his deliberate agenda to destroy this great nation... -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1061] Author : aboutime Date : 12-05-2012 07:22 PM Dillo has faith in obama, why I havent a clue. The scum proved that he has ABSOLUTELY no honor and no integrity. Now he will prove his hatred for this nation in the coming years. If we even last that long! It will be no pleasure for me to be able to say, "see I told you so"! My greatest wish is that I am wrong about his deliberate agenda to destroy this great nation... -Tyr Tyr. Even now. Long after the election, and the long years of warnings. Telling Obama lovers what they could expect if they foolishly gave him another four years to destroy not only America. But their lives as well. They still refuse to listen, or accept the real facts. Instead. Because they are afraid to admit they have been lied to, and fooled better than any other time in their lives. They would rather accept WHAT IS COMING for all of us. And we all know. When the predictions we warned them about happen. They are still dumb enough to FIND WAYS TO BLAME everyone but themselves. My biggest fear isn't for me. My future as a human in America is nearing the end of the play. But my five Grandchildren ARE what my fears face. How will ANYONE. Any American HONESTLY tell their young children, and grandchildren...."My selfishness in 2008 and 2012 RUINED your life when we voted for Obama". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1062] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-05-2012 08:49 PM Tyr. Even now. Long after the election, and the long years of warnings. Telling Obama lovers what they could expect if they foolishly gave him another four years to destroy not only America. But their lives as well. They still refuse to listen, or accept the real facts. Instead. Because they are afraid to admit they have been lied to, and fooled better than any other time in their lives. They would rather accept WHAT IS COMING for all of us. And we all know. When the predictions we warned them about happen. They are still dumb enough to FIND WAYS TO BLAME everyone but themselves. My biggest fear isn't for me. My future as a human in America is nearing the end of the play. But my five Grandchildren ARE what my fears face. How will ANYONE. Any American HONESTLY tell their young children, and grandchildren...."My selfishness in 2008 and 2012 RUINED your life when we voted for Obama". Amigo, I have absolutely no fear for myself. I fear for my children and grandchildren along with all those innocent of this insanity and treason. I can see whats coming and how the misery and deaths are sure to be blamed on the wrong party. And that is a big reason that obama wants the destruction, so he and the dems/lying media can blane it on the Christian religion, republicans and conservatives. We see the rotten and bitter fruits of the leftist/muslim alliance now. God help our children..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1063] Author : Dilloduck Date : 12-05-2012 10:01 PM http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law
Obama Administration Paves the Way for Sharia Law http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/Courts/Sharia-Law-in-America.png http://w.sharethis.com/images/check-big.png2069 http://w.sharethis.com/images/check-big.png194 http://w.sharethis.com/images/check-big.png54.5K Email Articlehttp://w.sharethis.com/images/check-small.png Print Article Send a Tip (http://www.debatepolicy.com/System/Send%20A%20Tip?page=%2fBig-Government%2f2012%2f08%2f03%2fObama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law) by William Bigelow (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Columnists/William-Bigelow) 6 Aug 2012 737 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#disqus_thread)post a comment (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#comments) The most terrifying danger Americans face from a second Barack Obama term isn’t the economy, which is scary enough. The most harrowing prospect is the Obama Administration’s passivity in the face of attempts to introduce aspects of sharia law into our legal system. Now there is strong and open evidence of the Obama administration collaborating with Islamist activists to ensure the path toward sharia law is accelerated. Just last week, Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General of the Department of Justice (DOJ) Civil Rights Division, was asked this question by Trent Franks (R-AZ), a member of the House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution: "Will you tell us here today that this Administration's Department of Justice will never entertain or advance a proposal that criminalizes speech against any religion?" Perez refused (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wwv9l6W8yc) to answer. Four times. And why would Franks target Perez? Here’s why: Last October, at George Washington University, there was a meeting between DOJ officials, including Perez, and Islamist advocates against free speech. Representatives from the Islamist side included Mohamed Magid, president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). The ISNA was an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding trial in 2008, as well as functioning as a Muslim Brotherhood Front. The leader of the Islamist attack was Sahar Aziz, an Egyptian-born American lawyer and Fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, a Muslim advocacy group based in Michigan. At the meeting, the Islamists lobbied for: Cutbacks in U.S. anti-terror training Limits on the power of terrorism investigators Changes in agent training manuals A legal declaration that criticism of Islam in the United States should be considered racial discrimination ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Its coming here folks and soooooooooner than you may think. obama is all for it.--Tyr Horseshit---you're reading between the lines again. Claiming that Obama secretly wants to impose Sharia law is hysteria. This is your idea of proof ??
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1064] Author : aboutime Date : 12-05-2012 10:05 PM Horseshit---you're reading between the lines again. Claiming that Obama secretly wants to impose Sharia law is hysteria. This is your idea of proof ?? Dilloduck. Here is your opportunity to shine. Prove to us that Obama doesn't want to see Sharia Law applied to the U.S.A. And don't forget to remind yourself how...OBAMA has been ignoring Our constitution, and purposely IGNORING our laws with his lies. Let's see how much you really know Dilloduck. Prove it with FACTS to the contrary. Then, we will listen to you. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1065] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-05-2012 10:29 PM Horseshit---you're reading between the lines again. Claiming that Obama secretly wants to impose Sharia law is hysteria. This is your idea of proof ??
Numbers 1 thru 4 werent between the lines dude , they were the lines . Especially number 4!! you choose to not believe anything negative about obama! Soon obama will prove me right about him and you'll still deny it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1066] Author : Dilloduck Date : 12-06-2012 11:46 AM And none of the lines say Obama supports the implementation of Sharia Law in America. The election is over. The sky is not falling. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1067] Author : aboutime Date : 12-06-2012 02:02 PM And none of the lines say Obama supports the implementation of Sharia Law in America. The election is over. The sky is not falling. Dilloduck. You have no need to come here to remind the rest of us how your Comprehension skills are so bad. We all know that. Just go back and read what you said previously. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1068] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-06-2012 09:01 PM And none of the lines say Obama supports the implementation of Sharia Law in America. The election is over. The sky is not falling. Of course not. However they do show that he and his admin favor discussing it and that is the first step to appeasement. Otherwise why entertain the ideal at all? Why even meet with those freaking scum that seek special rights for their religion over the other religions? Obama is not tupid enough to come right out and say he favors it. No sir, his way will be to do things to help without it being seen by the public at large. Perhaps even in his fourth year of this term going all out trying to get the blasphemy law established .-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1069] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-06-2012 09:12 PM http://www.noozhawk.com/article/042712_harris_sherline_minority_rule/ We have now reached the point where the preferences of a single person or a small group can outweigh the wishes of everyone else. A recent news story read in part: “Lone complaint leads to ban on inspirational banners in Georgia high school. Cheerleaders at Lakeview-Fort Oglethorpe High School (http://www.lakeviewfortoglethorpewarriors.com/) in Georgia have for many years created inspirational banners for home football games, the kind of banners players burst through as they come on to the field. … Particularly since 9/11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks), the messages on the banners have often been verses from Scripture, such as ‘Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.’ But based on one single verbal complaint from a local resident, the Bible has been banned from pregame banners. Once again the tyranny of the minority — in this case a minority of one — has threatened both religious liberty and freedom of speech.” Another example of a small minority imposing their will on the larger society occurred at Goshen College (http://www.goshen.edu/) in Indiana, a Mennonite school with about 1,000 students, where the school’s president banned the “Star-Spangled Banner” from being sung or played at all sporting events — because the words are too violent. He justified his decision by saying, “I am committed to retaining the best of what it means to be a Mennonite college, while opening the doors wider to all who share our core values. … And I invite others to join us at Goshen College as we make peace in all of its forms, even with the national anthem.” ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Told you people, our rights are often nullified by a single protestor!! How is this not liberal insanity?? How is it not divisive fear and attacks launched to destroy a culture and its traditions?? Would it be so easily tolerated were it not for PC crap that has been born and foisted upon us by those seeking to destroy our freedoms?? Either we grow a pair and really fight back or we will see our kids and grandkids in "chains" made by the minority . Wake the hell up !!!!!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1070] Author : Dilloduck Date : 12-06-2012 10:44 PM http://www.noozhawk.com/article/042712_harris_sherline_minority_rule/ We have now reached the point where the preferences of a single person or a small group can outweigh the wishes of everyone else. A recent news story read in part: “Lone complaint leads to ban on inspirational banners in Georgia high school. Cheerleaders at Lakeview-Fort Oglethorpe High School (http://www.lakeviewfortoglethorpewarriors.com/) in Georgia have for many years created inspirational banners for home football games, the kind of banners players burst through as they come on to the field. … Particularly since 9/11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks), the messages on the banners have often been verses from Scripture, such as ‘Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.’ But based on one single verbal complaint from a local resident, the Bible has been banned from pregame banners. Once again the tyranny of the minority — in this case a minority of one — has threatened both religious liberty and freedom of speech.” Another example of a small minority imposing their will on the larger society occurred at Goshen College (http://www.goshen.edu/) in Indiana, a Mennonite school with about 1,000 students, where the school’s president banned the “Star-Spangled Banner” from being sung or played at all sporting events — because the words are too violent. He justified his decision by saying, “I am committed to retaining the best of what it means to be a Mennonite college, while opening the doors wider to all who share our core values. … And I invite others to join us at Goshen College as we make peace in all of its forms, even with the national anthem.” ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Told you people, our rights are often nullified by a single protestor!! How is this not liberal insanity?? How is it not divisive fear and attacks launched to destroy a culture and its traditions?? Would it be so easily tolerated were it not for PC crap that has been born and foisted upon us by those seeking to destroy our freedoms?? Either we grow a pair and really fight back or we will see our kids and grandkids in "chains" made by the minority . Wake the hell up !!!!!-Tyr and it ain't even Sharia Law -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1071] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-06-2012 10:47 PM and it ain't even Sharia Law Of course not, its laying the foundation for it. A house isnt built from the roof down pedro.. Destroy the rights of free men and yield to the demands of insane people==muslims. When was the last time a lone protestor stopped a muslim religious ceremony or affiliated event? When was the last time muslims paid any attention to a lone protestor that wasnt then killing the guy ?? Killing not yielding, get it??-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1072] Author : aboutime Date : 12-07-2012 01:50 PM and it ain't even Sharia Law Dilloduck. That's what the Obama crowd, who is remaining so quiet, and even silent about Sharia law wants Americans to believe. Out of sight, out of mind. Never mention it while secretly endorsing it. Sound familiar? Like OBAMACARE and Nancy Pelosi telling us all "We will know what's in the bill. After we vote for it!" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1073] Author : Dilloduck Date : 12-07-2012 02:41 PM Dilloduck. That's what the Obama crowd, who is remaining so quiet, and even silent about Sharia law wants Americans to believe. Out of sight, out of mind. Never mention it while secretly endorsing it. Sound familiar? Like OBAMACARE and Nancy Pelosi telling us all "We will know what's in the bill. After we vote for it!" Does Obama's crowd let you in on all his "secrets" ? It's impressive that you know so much top secret stuff ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1074] Author : Larrymc Date : 12-07-2012 02:53 PM Does Obama's crowd let you in on all his "secrets" ? It's impressive that you know so much top secret stuff !actually its not really secret, but you have to take your blinders off to see it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1075] Author : aboutime Date : 12-07-2012 02:54 PM Does Obama's crowd let you in on all his "secrets" ? It's impressive that you know so much top secret stuff ! Matter of fact. Yes they do. The information comes from their very own lips, in the form of intentional omissions. Like..."Some things are better left...unsaid" and "It's a need to know basis". Actually. If you study, and read Dilloduck. It becomes logic, common sense, and understanding what the REAL intentions are. By the way. Who said it was "TOP SECRET"? Other than you? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1076] Author : aboutime Date : 12-10-2012 03:05 PM Matter of fact. Yes they do. The information comes from their very own lips, in the form of intentional omissions. Like..."Some things are better left...unsaid" and "It's a need to know basis". Actually. If you study, and read Dilloduck. It becomes logic, common sense, and understanding what the REAL intentions are. By the way. Who said it was "TOP SECRET"? Other than you? Hey, Dilloduck. Where are you? Cat got your tongue, and you lost your typing skills? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1077] Author : aboutime Date : 12-11-2012 06:20 PM Anyone know where the Dillo4124 is, and why so QUIET? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1078] Author : aboutime Date : 12-15-2012 01:52 PM Anyone know where the Dillo4124 is, and why so QUIET? ​Anyone know if Dilloduck finally got the hint, and quit????? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1079] Author : fj1200 Date : 12-15-2012 03:35 PM Maybe he's taking his own stand. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1080] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-15-2012 06:41 PM Of course not, its laying the foundation for it. A house isnt built from the roof down pedro.. Destroy the rights of free men and yield to the demands of insane people==muslims. When was the last time a lone protestor stopped a muslim religious ceremony or affiliated event? When was the last time muslims paid any attention to a lone protestor that wasnt then killing the guy ?? Killing not yielding, get it??-Tyr No show, no answer Dillo????? Im disappointed that you abandoned the crusade..--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1081] Author : logroller Date : 12-15-2012 08:30 PM Of course not, its laying the foundation for it. A house isnt built from the roof down pedro.. Destroy the rights of free men and yield to the demands of insane people==muslims. When was the last time a lone protestor stopped a muslim religious ceremony or affiliated event? When was the last time muslims paid any attention to a lone protestor that wasnt then killing the guy ?? Killing not yielding, get it??-Tyr A public school being forbidden from using religious scripture and a private religious college expressing their beliefs. That's your evidence. the foundation for that was laid in 1791. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1082] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-16-2012 10:43 PM A public school being forbidden from using religious scripture and a private religious college expressing their beliefs. That's your evidence. the foundation for that was laid in 1791. I think you should click the link and read a bit more. Apparently you missed a lot..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1083] Author : aboutime Date : 12-16-2012 11:05 PM Would someone on this forum please explain WHY, everything, everyone happens to say about anything, at any time about whatever always turns the thread that talks about everything, everyone happens to say about anything....INTO AN INSTANT ARGUMENT?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1084] Author : logroller Date : 12-16-2012 11:20 PM I think you should click the link and read a bit more. Apparently you missed a lot..-Tyr I think you should post the relevant information from your source, then maybe I'd be inclined to inquire further. As it stands, it's benign. I've trudged through many of your sources, But I shouldn't have to do that with every post of your's; I'm not your personal fact-checker. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1085] Author : logroller Date : 12-16-2012 11:23 PM Would someone on this forum please explain WHY, everything, everyone happens to say about anything, at any time about whatever always turns the thread that talks about everything, everyone happens to say about anything....INTO AN INSTANT ARGUMENT?? It's a DEBATE site. Debate: NounA formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1086] Author : aboutime Date : 12-16-2012 11:25 PM It's a DEBATE site. Debate: NounA formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward. So, you pretend to be the grammar, or spelling coach rather than answering my question? How typical, and expected is that? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1087] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-16-2012 11:26 PM I think you should post the relevant information from your source, then maybe I'd be inclined to inquire further. As it stands, it's benign. I've trudged through many of your sources, But I shouldn't have to do that with every post of your's; I'm not your personal fact-checker. Im limited as to how much I can post . If you refuse to click on the link to read ,dont complain when I say you lack info from my source. Read or dont read, I do not care. However, I will not discuss the subject with you when you say you will not read my source. Its your call, not mine. Dont trudge, try actually reading for a change, it works wonders. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1088] Author : aboutime Date : 12-16-2012 11:34 PM Im limited as to how much I can post . If you refuse to click on the link to read ,dont complain when I say you lack info from my source. Read or dont read, I do not care. However, I will not discuss the subject with you when you say you will not read my source. Its your call, not mine. Dont trudge, try actually reading for a change, it works wonders. -Tyr Tyr. All of that phony stuff from logroller is just typical, liberal tactics they normally use to avoid actually being committed to honestly answering any questions. Pointing out grammar, spelling, and punctuation...instead of sticking to the topic is just more of the same LIBERAL stupidity on parade. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1089] Author : logroller Date : 12-17-2012 12:04 AM Im limited as to how much I can post . If you refuse to click on the link to read ,dont complain when I say you lack info from my source. Read or dont read, I do not care. However, I will not discuss the subject with you when you say you will not read my source. Its your call, not mine. Dont trudge, try actually reading for a change, it works wonders. -Tyr try reading? how bout you try editing apropos. Rather than parroting insignificant details and blaming fair use. That you cant be bothered to edit your source speaks of your unwillingness, not mine. What's the big deal with the public school not being allowed to post religious scripture at a public sporting event? They let it slide until someone complained. Then they look at the rules and say, yea well, can't do that. Happens all the time. Is there more to the story-- pray tell. A private Mennonite college not allowing the singing of the national anthem. Do you know what Mennonite beliefs are? Here's a hint, they're a peace church, strongly opposed to war and violence. Do you know what the national anthem details...events of war. So prior to admonishing me about what I need to read, try comprehending what you read before posting-- Might help with the editing too:thumb: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1090] Author : fj1200 Date : 12-17-2012 12:11 AM Would someone on this forum please explain WHY, everything, everyone happens to say about anything, at any time about whatever always turns the thread that talks about everything, everyone happens to say about anything....INTO AN INSTANT ARGUMENT?? Because you throw a little fit every time someone challenges the premise of your argument. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1091] Author : logroller Date : 12-17-2012 12:17 AM Tyr. All of that phony stuff from logroller is just typical, liberal tactics they normally use to avoid actually being committed to honestly answering any questions. Pointing out grammar, spelling, and punctuation...instead of sticking to the topic is just more of the same LIBERAL stupidity on parade. Right. Cause personal attacks are far more effective lacking rudimentary communication skills. Btw, I answered your question honestly. Show me one I have not. Ill respond. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1092] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-17-2012 12:19 AM try reading? how bout you try editing apropos. Rather than parroting insignificant details and blaming fair use. That you cant be bothered to edit your source speaks of your unwillingness, not mine. What's the big deal with the public school not being allowed to post religious scripture at a public sporting event? They let it slide until someone complained. Then they look at the rules and say, yea well, can't do that. Happens all the time. Is there more to the story-- pray tell. A private Mennonite college not allowing the singing of the national anthem. Do you know what Mennonite beliefs are? Here's a hint, they're a peace church, strongly opposed to war and violence. Do you know what the national anthem details...events of war. So prior to admonishing me about what I need to read, try comprehending what you read before posting-- Might help with the editing too:thumb: You are the one saying that you didn't trudge and were not going to trudge. Don't blame me if I take you at your word. I simply pointed out you missed a lot because you claimed to have not read the link or even checked any of the other sources linked. Again do not blame me for taking you at your word. A wise man reads to understand... However I sympathise with the horrors of having to "trudge". You are not alone my friend in that boat..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1093] Author : logroller Date : 12-17-2012 01:49 AM You are the one saying that you didn't trudge and were not going to trudge. Don't blame me if I take you at your word. I simply pointed out you missed a lot because you claimed to have not read the link or even checked any of the other sources linked. Again do not blame me for taking you at your word. A wise man reads to understand... However I sympathise with the horrors of having to "trudge". You are not alone my friend in that boat..-Tyr I read what you posted-- the words you presented. From that, i responded. If you fail to support your premise its not my fault-- im not going to look for the evidence that you can't present. Why would I read on , or "trudge through", when nothing in the blurb warrants me doing so? I read a lot; but i don't read a whole book when the intro and first chapter offer nothing. What you said I responded to; but you seem to dodge my responses. I'll ask again, what in the article refutes my assessment? Was it not a public school using biblical scripture? Was it not a private school expressing their religious beliefs? Why doesnt the first amendment apply to both? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1094] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-17-2012 09:38 AM I read what you posted-- the words you presented. From that, i responded. If you fail to support your premise its not my fault-- im not going to look for the evidence that you can't present. Why would I read on , or "trudge through", when nothing in the blurb warrants me doing so? I read a lot; but i don't read a whole book when the intro and first chapter offer nothing. What you said I responded to; but you seem to dodge my responses. I'll ask again, what in the article refutes my assessment? Was it not a public school using biblical scripture? Was it not a private school expressing their religious beliefs? Why doesnt the first amendment apply to both? Lets not quibble . I understand your loathing for "trudging" through a very long and complicated link. Rather than carry on this way , I will do some more trudging and get back to you. Although not right this minute as I have other non-trudging things to do. Life is wonderful like that, we have such a variety of activities to meander through so often, wouldn't you agree?-;)-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1095] Author : aboutime Date : 12-17-2012 04:13 PM Lets not quibble . I understand your loathing for "trudging" through a very long and complicated link. Rather than carry on this way , I will do some more trudging and get back to you. Although not right this minute as I have other non-trudging things to do. Life is wonderful like that, we have such a variety of activities to meander through so often, wouldn't you agree?-;)-Tyr 4150 Trudging along through a complicated link is Tiring.....4150 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1096] Author : aboutime Date : 12-26-2012 06:10 PM This is how I have been feeling since yesterday... Taking my stand, and I don't care who doesn't like it.... http://youtu.be/GMuZdN84PJg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1097] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-26-2012 06:57 PM This is how I have been feeling since yesterday... Taking my stand, and I don't care who doesn't like it.... http://youtu.be/GMuZdN84PJg Salty, my wife and son got a big kick out of watching that video. Thanks.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1098] Author : aboutime Date : 12-26-2012 07:00 PM Salty, my wife and son got a big kick out of watching that video. Thanks.-Tyr Thanks. That's the way I hope everybody feels today. With everything seeming to fall down around us. We all need to SMILE, and LAUGH a little more. Glad it made you all feel good. It worked! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1099] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-08-2013 09:35 AM I think you should post the relevant information from your source, then maybe I'd be inclined to inquire further. As it stands, it's benign. I've trudged through many of your sources, But I shouldn't have to do that with every post of your's; I'm not your personal fact-checker. I do not refuse to read a source then comment on it too. Or comment on its lack of purpose. How would you know if you did not read it?? Complaining that I do not edit my sources in a correct manner is an old dodge as is the often used, it was too long to read. If you reject the source and refuse to read it don't then come on and make other comments about it or try to belittle me for posting too much or too little of it. As long as this thread is you have enough material to consider . Running the pony around the track for the umpteenth time and for the hell of it isn't going to be especially useful at this point IMHO.. As stated I stand against Islam and its goal of world domination. Against its sanctioned use of murder and terror. Now refute that stand as best as you can. I think you can not do so. Thats why there has been so much side dancing going on in this thread.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1100] Author : aboutime Date : 01-08-2013 09:41 AM Welcome to another round of whatever someone cares to call it. 2013 is gonna be an extended REPEAT of 2012 here. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1101] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-08-2013 09:51 AM Welcome to another round of whatever someone cares to call it. 2013 is gonna be an extended REPEAT of 2012 here. I took a firm and open stand against Islam and its openly announced goals . Against its use of murder , terror and intimidation. As long as this thread is 74 pages almost 1100 replies and still nobody has proven that to be wrong or a folly on my part. A lot of sidetracking, side dancing and false accusations tossed at me on this thread but no proving me to be a madman, a fool or a liar! The TRUTH of it can not be defeated. The reality of the horror the Islamists inflict upon the world each and everyday has been documented and is easy found if one merely looks. I present much of it on another very long thread listing the attacks that they carry out around the world daily. Nobody has refuted that truth either.. Absolutely no need to post lies here when the TRUTH is so damning all by itself!!!!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1102] Author : aboutime Date : 01-08-2013 03:11 PM I took a firm and open stand against Islam and its openly announced goals . Against its use of murder , terror and intimidation. As long as this thread is 74 pages almost 1100 replies and still nobody has proven that to be wrong or a folly on my part. A lot of sidetracking, side dancing and false accusations tossed at me on this thread but no proving me to be a madman, a fool or a liar! The TRUTH of it can not be defeated. The reality of the horror the Islamists inflict upon the world each and everyday has been documented and is easy found if one merely looks. I present much of it on another very long thread listing the attacks that they carry out around the world daily. Nobody has refuted that truth either.. Absolutely no need to post lies here when the TRUTH is so damning all by itself!!!!-Tyr No disagreement from me Tyr. We all know, very well. Nothing ruins a liberal mind-set faster than being confronted with TRUTH, and HONESTY. Which explains why they hate being cornered with NO PLACE TO RUN. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1103] Author : aboutime Date : 01-13-2013 01:00 PM Thought this might help. A little off target, but a Real Friend of mine sent it to me today.. http://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f50063%5fANtbimIAAPiHUPIxfAFYGSdjcv0&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=YahooMailNeo -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1104] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-13-2013 03:42 PM No disagreement from me Tyr. We all know, very well. Nothing ruins a liberal mind-set faster than being confronted with TRUTH, and HONESTY. Which explains why they hate being cornered with NO PLACE TO RUN. Seems my stand does well. The opposition to it it has diminished greatly. Now that we see how much of my predictions about the traitor obama and the muslim threats are coming true! -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1105] Author : aboutime Date : 01-13-2013 03:45 PM Thought this might help. A little off target, but a Real Friend of mine sent it to me today.. http://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f50063%5fANtbimIAAPiHUPIxfAFYGSdjcv0&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=YahooMailNeo 4306 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1106] Author : logroller Date : 01-14-2013 04:08 AM I do not refuse to read a source then comment on it too. Or comment on its lack of purpose. How would you know if you did not read it?? Complaining that I do not edit my sources in a correct manner is an old dodge as is the often used, it was too long to read. If you reject the source and refuse to read it don't then come on and make other comments about it or try to belittle me for posting too much or too little of it. As long as this thread is you have enough material to consider . Running the pony around the track for the umpteenth time and for the hell of it isn't going to be especially useful at this point IMHO.. As stated I stand against Islam and its goal of world domination. Against its sanctioned use of murder and terror. Now refute that stand as best as you can. I think you can not do so. Thats why there has been so much side dancing going on in this thread.-Tyr Read your blurb, thought it benign. Went to the source; same conclusion. Thanks for wasting my time on your dog and pony show. I'll not continue to do so. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1107] Author : logroller Date : 01-14-2013 04:32 AM http://www.alislam.org/khilafat/fifth/ I took a firm and open stand against Islam and its openly announced goals . Against its use of murder , terror and intimidation. As long as this thread is 74 pages almost 1100 replies and still nobody has proven that to be wrong or a folly on my part. A lot of sidetracking, side dancing and false accusations tossed at me on this thread but no proving me to be a madman, a fool or a liar! The TRUTH of it can not be defeated. The reality of the horror the Islamists inflict upon the world each and everyday has been documented and is easy found if one merely looks. I present much of it on another very long thread listing the attacks that they carry out around the world daily. Nobody has refuted that truth either.. Absolutely no need to post lies here when the TRUTH is so damning all by itself!!!!-Tyrwhat what is an Islamist; a Muslim? there are sects within Islam; are they all bad? Is every Muslim your enemy? You take a bold stand; but here is a Muslim who lives by the Koran that preaches peace and coexistence. Indeed he is persecuted by other Muslims; but he is a Muslim-- so is he your enemy? Do you stand against him; he is a Muslim after all! That is true. Yet he is not attacking people, using murder, intimidation and terror. What say you? Will you rally to the defense of a peaceful muslim who violent muslims consider a threat? Or will you reject him? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1108] Author : aboutime Date : 01-14-2013 12:59 PM http://www.alislam.org/khilafat/fifth/what what is an Islamist; a Muslim? there are sects within Islam; are they all bad? Is every Muslim your enemy? You take a bold stand; but here is a Muslim who lives by the Koran that preaches peace and coexistence. Indeed he is persecuted by other Muslims; but he is a Muslim-- so is he your enemy? Do you stand against him; he is a Muslim after all! That is true. Yet he is not attacking people, using murder, intimidation and terror. What say you? Will you rally to the defense of a peaceful muslim who violent muslims consider a threat? Or will you reject him? logroller. Why the constant liberal style hypocrisy? You would be better off in proving your point if you provided a link, or quote from Tyr where he says the words "ALL Muslims, or All Islamists". Think that would help your effort to constantly find reasons to argue???? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1109] Author : bingster Date : 01-16-2013 02:25 AM Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts. Surely we that place such great value on justice and freedom can see that there can be absolutely no peace with Islam, with those so dedicated to destroying freedom and justice as we know it. Destroying it as our founders intended and created a governing magnificent document to guide. Should we fail to unite and arrive at that conclusion, create a proper plan of action and pursue it with determination we shall meet our destruction. For abandoning our integrity, honor and justice we shall pay a heavy price. One that few will dare admit because such tragedy is always the fate of others and we console ourselves with that old line of comforting thinking. Should we fail to act such tragedy may possibly be a just fate for a peoples that have betrayed the sacrifice of millions that gave us the most precious of blessings: Independence, freedom, Rule of law and Constitution.! Such a combination that was not only unique in the world but has since failed to be duplicated ! Should we abandone common sense, Rule of Law to follow the easier path of appeasement our choice made to avoid confronting our fears and our enemy shall almost certainly bring destruction for having renounced the gift that has been dearly bought with the blood, tears and treasure of countless Americans that have lived and died fighting the true fight. The good fight of justice over injustice , of good over evil and the happiness of having created and passed on a blessing beyond compare to future generations.. Rather than yield to complacency, indifference and shallow lusts of the times it may be wise to learn again how to fall to bended knee and asked for strength of mind , pureness of heart and justice defended by righteous blade and keen intellect! If you have no “blade” sell your costly toys to buy the best money can buy. For what good be such if in maintaining one looses their head? Ask not mercy and gifts from enemies with no honor but instead stand firm defend your life, your family and your country! For life often demands great sacrifice, think not and life will take that and more. The more being that which few can or will dare imagine but life cares not about our fears and failures. It is we that should care more about life! Care enough to stand against those that would murder our parents, enslave our children and exstinguish freedom and justice forever. Islam, shall not subjugate this great nation. Shall not if we face it without fear and with determination birthed from defending that which is good and right about our nation. The nation created to be the guiding light to the world. A Christian nation blessed by God and occupied by those brave enough to spill blood , blood of others as well as their own! -Tyr No link , my composition... It's a great composition. You ought to sell it to Limbaugh. Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity. If you meant Al Qaeda or extremists, then you would have a point. The old testament says the penalties of the following are death: homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, eating pork or shell fish, touching pork, committing adultery, planting two different crops together, using two different cloths in making a dress, etc.... and at the same time has no problem with slavery and has a sexist view of adultery-you die if you're female, but not male. Any time you take any religion and follow it to the letter explicitly as written, you will have some kind of Taliban-like sect. Jews are much more Orthodox than Christians are with the Bible, but they are over it. They are more mature. They observe many more parts of the old testament, but, at the same time, are more liberal. They understand that the Bible was written a long time ago and does not apply, completely, to now. Then I get to your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraphs and think that you just love to tie unrelated words together that sound pretty, but don't mean anything. I guess you think: Constitution-good; Islam-Bad. I agree with the first and think you are prejudice in the second. If this is about outlawing Sharia, it's ridiculous. For the same reason you can't make Christianity the law, you can't make Islam the law (1st Amendment). If you think we should get together and take out the Islamists, sorry, "shock and awe" won't do it. Surveys say Muslims of the world will out-number Christians by the year 2016. If you want a fight with this outnumbering foe, you should keep inaccurately identifying our nation as a Christian one. Besides the fact that you are alienating at least 40% of our population and calling them "not part of our nation", you are pitting us against a foe that multiplies 10-fold every time we show such intolerant attitudes. I'm not talking about Islam now, I'm talking about Al Qaeda who are just a little bit less crazy than someone who would actually take all of the Bible seriously. They want you to talk ignorant so that they can copy your words onto fliers, recruit poor people, and kill Americans. You keep it up though, it's your Constitutional right; but is it your moral right? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1110] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-16-2013 09:50 AM It's a great composition. You ought to sell it to Limbaugh. Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity. If you meant Al Qaeda or extremists, then you would have a point. The old testament says the penalties of the following are death: homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, eating pork or shell fish, touching pork, committing adultery, planting two different crops together, using two different cloths in making a dress, etc.... and at the same time has no problem with slavery and has a sexist view of adultery-you die if you're female, but not male. Any time you take any religion and follow it to the letter explicitly as written, you will have some kind of Taliban-like sect. Jews are much more Orthodox than Christians are with the Bible, but they are over it. They are more mature. They observe many more parts of the old testament, but, at the same time, are more liberal. They understand that the Bible was written a long time ago and does not apply, completely, to now. Then I get to your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraphs and think that you just love to tie unrelated words together that sound pretty, but don't mean anything. I guess you think: Constitution-good; Islam-Bad. I agree with the first and think you are prejudice in the second. If this is about outlawing Sharia, it's ridiculous. For the same reason you can't make Christianity the law, you can't make Islam the law (1st Amendment). If you think we should get together and take out the Islamists, sorry, "shock and awe" won't do it. Surveys say Muslims of the world will out-number Christians by the year 2016. If you want a fight with this outnumbering foe, you should keep inaccurately identifying our nation as a Christian one. Besides the fact that you are alienating at least 40% of our population and calling them "not part of our nation", you are pitting us against a foe that multiplies 10-fold every time we show such intolerant attitudes. I'm not talking about Islam now, I'm talking about Al Qaeda who are just a little bit less crazy than someone who would actually take all of the Bible seriously. They want you to talk ignorant so that they can copy your words onto fliers, recruit poor people, and kill Americans. You keep it up though, it's your Constitutional right; but is it your moral right? Its my moral right to present the TRUTH for others to measure for themselves. I did with that composition. Accept or reject it but its the truth. Islam --the religion-- intends on conquering ALL. History reveals what that brings! Its not paradise but is enslavement into the strictest religion on earth. Its also the murder of -ALL- that do not convert. Deny these truths all that you like, the Truth shall not be conquered. It matters not , for you would have greater success at beating down a granite wall with a goose feather my friend. As to my words being used to recruit new enemies. So your , "speak not lest you be aiding the enemy" has no merit. It plays right into the muslim demand that no criticism of their religion be allowed. You do not defeat an enemy by yielding to its demands ! Islam is the enemy , not just its radical elements, as those radical elements are just its members currently taking action.They are fully supported by at least 90% of the entirety. Jihad is a core part of Islam and they all know and believe that. Its we infidels that are being lied to about that. I was taught, speak the truth, speak it loud and speak it often. For the world needs desperately to hear it and to be forced to consider its meaning. Islam kills to keep the truth hidden. I speak it regardless. A man has to die sometime why not do so by -NOT- aiding liars and murderers!?? INSTEAD POINT OUT THEIR LIES AND MURDERING DEEDS! To silence me they will have to kill me. I seek to defend my family and my nation, dying doing that should it come isn't a bad way to go. We all die..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1111] Author : aboutime Date : 01-16-2013 03:35 PM It's a great composition. You ought to sell it to Limbaugh. Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity. If you meant Al Qaeda or extremists, then you would have a point. The old testament says the penalties of the following are death: homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, eating pork or shell fish, touching pork, committing adultery, planting two different crops together, using two different cloths in making a dress, etc.... and at the same time has no problem with slavery and has a sexist view of adultery-you die if you're female, but not male. Any time you take any religion and follow it to the letter explicitly as written, you will have some kind of Taliban-like sect. Jews are much more Orthodox than Christians are with the Bible, but they are over it. They are more mature. They observe many more parts of the old testament, but, at the same time, are more liberal. They understand that the Bible was written a long time ago and does not apply, completely, to now. Then I get to your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraphs and think that you just love to tie unrelated words together that sound pretty, but don't mean anything. I guess you think: Constitution-good; Islam-Bad. I agree with the first and think you are prejudice in the second. If this is about outlawing Sharia, it's ridiculous. For the same reason you can't make Christianity the law, you can't make Islam the law (1st Amendment). If you think we should get together and take out the Islamists, sorry, "shock and awe" won't do it. Surveys say Muslims of the world will out-number Christians by the year 2016. If you want a fight with this outnumbering foe, you should keep inaccurately identifying our nation as a Christian one. Besides the fact that you are alienating at least 40% of our population and calling them "not part of our nation", you are pitting us against a foe that multiplies 10-fold every time we show such intolerant attitudes. I'm not talking about Islam now, I'm talking about Al Qaeda who are just a little bit less crazy than someone who would actually take all of the Bible seriously. They want you to talk ignorant so that they can copy your words onto fliers, recruit poor people, and kill Americans. You keep it up though, it's your Constitutional right; but is it your moral right? bingster. Now I remember you. 4314 Choose one. Both resemble your mental challenges. 4315 Both brainless, and so Liberal. Their photos are in the dictionary next to Liberal, and Idiots. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1112] Author : Drummond Date : 01-16-2013 03:53 PM It's a great composition. You ought to sell it to Limbaugh. Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity. If you meant Al Qaeda or extremists, then you would have a point. The old testament says the penalties of the following are death: homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, eating pork or shell fish, touching pork, committing adultery, planting two different crops together, using two different cloths in making a dress, etc.... and at the same time has no problem with slavery and has a sexist view of adultery-you die if you're female, but not male. Any time you take any religion and follow it to the letter explicitly as written, you will have some kind of Taliban-like sect. Jews are much more Orthodox than Christians are with the Bible, but they are over it. They are more mature. They observe many more parts of the old testament, but, at the same time, are more liberal. They understand that the Bible was written a long time ago and does not apply, completely, to now. Then I get to your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraphs and think that you just love to tie unrelated words together that sound pretty, but don't mean anything. I guess you think: Constitution-good; Islam-Bad. I agree with the first and think you are prejudice in the second. If this is about outlawing Sharia, it's ridiculous. For the same reason you can't make Christianity the law, you can't make Islam the law (1st Amendment). If you think we should get together and take out the Islamists, sorry, "shock and awe" won't do it. Surveys say Muslims of the world will out-number Christians by the year 2016. If you want a fight with this outnumbering foe, you should keep inaccurately identifying our nation as a Christian one. Besides the fact that you are alienating at least 40% of our population and calling them "not part of our nation", you are pitting us against a foe that multiplies 10-fold every time we show such intolerant attitudes. I'm not talking about Islam now, I'm talking about Al Qaeda who are just a little bit less crazy than someone who would actually take all of the Bible seriously. They want you to talk ignorant so that they can copy your words onto fliers, recruit poor people, and kill Americans. You keep it up though, it's your Constitutional right; but is it your moral right? Hello Bingster. I hope you're enjoying this forum. I for one an enjoying posts from you, such as this one. Most entertaining. My reply to you is a rather simple one, but nonetheless I'd like you to consider it. Here's the thing ... you've tried to claim, and I quote, 'Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity.' Well - do you really believe that ? Oh, I'm aware of the attempt you made in your paragraph to equate Old Testament writings to barbarities, so as to claim that this has an equivalence to Islam. But - can you explain how it is that Islamic barbarities PERSIST in the modern world, whereas such practices from Christians do not ? In today's world, we learn of beheadings, children forced to wear bombs, honour killings, stonings to death, we know that under Sharia Law, even the barbaric practice of chopping peoples' hands off for stealing is considered 'just'. Islamists want Sharia Law to become UNIVERSAL, and they want this, knowing full well what this would mean for mankind's future suffering. But they want that, regardless. Modern-day Christians just don't think like that. They have nothing driving them to such extremes, they want to inflict none of those cruelties and savageries on others. I ask .. WHY NOT ? What's your answer ? If your conclusion about religious parity is correct, how can you explain this ? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1113] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-16-2013 05:56 PM Read your blurb, thought it benign. Went to the source; same conclusion. Thanks for wasting my time on your dog and pony show. I'll not continue to do so. Fine, then don't but your side dancing may impress you but not me. You stand for Islam and I stand against Islam. You attempt to belittle the truth about its evils while you laud its supposed peace. Peace from this religion that has directly caused the death of about 270 million people. And now wages war worldwide ! Play your - "they just misunderstood" crapola to somebody silly enough to believe it. I am not buying it.. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1114] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-16-2013 06:00 PM Read your blurb, thought it benign. Went to the source; same conclusion. Thanks for wasting my time on your dog and pony show. I'll not continue to do so. Hello Bingster. I hope you're enjoying this forum. I for one an enjoying posts from you, such as this one. Most entertaining. My reply to you is a rather simple one, but nonetheless I'd like you to consider it. Here's the thing ... you've tried to claim, and I quote, 'Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity.' Well - do you really believe that ? Oh, I'm aware of the attempt you made in your paragraph to equate Old Testament writings to barbarities, so as to claim that this has an equivalence to Islam. But - can you explain how it is that Islamic barbarities PERSIST in the modern world, whereas such practices from Christians do not ? In today's world, we learn of beheadings, children forced to wear bombs, honour killings, stonings to death, we know that under Sharia Law, even the barbaric practice of chopping peoples' hands off for stealing is considered 'just'. Islamists want Sharia Law to become UNIVERSAL, and they want this, knowing full well what this would mean for mankind's future suffering. But they want that, regardless. Modern-day Christians just don't think like that. They have nothing driving them to such extremes, they want to inflict none of those cruelties and savageries on others. I ask .. WHY NOT ? What's your answer ? If your conclusion about religious parity is correct, how can you explain this ? The bingster just compared sheep to a rampaging wolves. I can't wait to see the explanation! Should be good! ;)-TZ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1115] Author : aboutime Date : 01-16-2013 06:41 PM Fine, then don't but your side dancing may impress you but not me. You stand for Islam and I stand against Islam. You attempt to belittle the truth about its evils while you laud its supposed peace. Peace from this religion that has directly caused the death of about 270 million people. And now wages war worldwide ! Play your - "they just misunderstood" crapola to somebody silly enough to believe it. I am not buying it.. --Tyr Tyr. Bingster seems to resemble, or could possibly be someone WE both knew from another place. And instead of Bingster. Think of Opinionated, or work your way back to other DIE-HARD Libs. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1116] Author : Drummond Date : 01-16-2013 09:23 PM The bingster just compared sheep to a rampaging wolves. I can't wait to see the explanation! Should be good! ;)-TZ Yes, indeed, Tyr. I'll periodically check back to see if 'bingster' has even a half-intelligible explanation to offer. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1117] Author : aboutime Date : 01-16-2013 10:02 PM Yes, indeed, Tyr. I'll periodically check back to see if 'bingster' has even a half-intelligible explanation to offer. Sir Drummond. The member who goes by the name Binkster has only one reason, or intention for being here. Like so many others. His/Her only cause is to disrupt, and remind everyone how little intelligence is required to be such a good Binkster jerk. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1118] Author : bingster Date : 01-16-2013 11:33 PM bingster. Now I remember you. 4314 Choose one. Both resemble your mental challenges. 4315 Both brainless, and so Liberal. Their photos are in the dictionary next to Liberal, and Idiots. Well, now you're talking. According to the dictionary, if these folks are idiots and they're obviously smarter than you are..... you must be an imbecile. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1119] Author : bingster Date : 01-16-2013 11:36 PM Sir Drummond. The member who goes by the name Binkster has only one reason, or intention for being here. Like so many others. His/Her only cause is to disrupt, and remind everyone how little intelligence is required to be such a good Binkster jerk. You know, this is supposed to be a forum where people get to argue things. If you'd rather be alone with yourself where nobody criticizes you and you get to be happy and feel joy all by yourself....... then it's called masturbation. Have some nads and argue with me. Cut out the insults and grow some testicles and a brain. I'm sick of being nice to people who insult me and don't have a big enough brain to compete. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1120] Author : bingster Date : 01-16-2013 11:37 PM Sir Drummond. The member who goes by the name Binkster has only one reason, or intention for being here. Like so many others. His/Her only cause is to disrupt, and remind everyone how little intelligence is required to be such a good Binkster jerk. Am I disrupting your ability to agree with people who only agree with you? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1121] Author : bingster Date : 01-16-2013 11:44 PM Hello Bingster. I hope you're enjoying this forum. I for one an enjoying posts from you, such as this one. Most entertaining. My reply to you is a rather simple one, but nonetheless I'd like you to consider it. Here's the thing ... you've tried to claim, and I quote, 'Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity.' Well - do you really believe that ? Oh, I'm aware of the attempt you made in your paragraph to equate Old Testament writings to barbarities, so as to claim that this has an equivalence to Islam. But - can you explain how it is that Islamic barbarities PERSIST in the modern world, whereas such practices from Christians do not ? In today's world, we learn of beheadings, children forced to wear bombs, honour killings, stonings to death, we know that under Sharia Law, even the barbaric practice of chopping peoples' hands off for stealing is considered 'just'. Islamists want Sharia Law to become UNIVERSAL, and they want this, knowing full well what this would mean for mankind's future suffering. But they want that, regardless. Modern-day Christians just don't think like that. They have nothing driving them to such extremes, they want to inflict none of those cruelties and savageries on others. I ask .. WHY NOT ? What's your answer ? If your conclusion about religious parity is correct, how can you explain this ? The point is that you are not referring to ALL Islamists. You are talking about the Taliban or Al Qaeda. There is a difference. Your remarks are offensive to peace-loving Islamists everywhere that make up, like I said, almost as large a population as Christians. KKK is Christian. The Crusades were Christian led. There are very bad factions of the Christian religion. No, I don't think there is any Christian faction currently as bad as Al Qaeda, but blaming all of Islam is quite incindiary and ignorant. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1122] Author : bingster Date : 01-16-2013 11:47 PM Tyr. Bingster seems to resemble, or could possibly be someone WE both knew from another place. And instead of Bingster. Think of Opinionated, or work your way back to other DIE-HARD Libs. I don't know who you guys think I am. You can refuse to believe me or you can believe me. I really don't care. I've never been on a forum like this. Since I started I've gone by the user name "bingster". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1123] Author : bingster Date : 01-16-2013 11:48 PM Yes, indeed, Tyr. I'll periodically check back to see if 'bingster' has even a half-intelligible explanation to offer. I don't get that. sheep with wolves? are you guys talking in code now? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1124] Author : bingster Date : 01-16-2013 11:51 PM Hello Bingster. I hope you're enjoying this forum. I for one an enjoying posts from you, such as this one. Most entertaining. My reply to you is a rather simple one, but nonetheless I'd like you to consider it. Here's the thing ... you've tried to claim, and I quote, 'Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity.' Well - do you really believe that ? Oh, I'm aware of the attempt you made in your paragraph to equate Old Testament writings to barbarities, so as to claim that this has an equivalence to Islam. But - can you explain how it is that Islamic barbarities PERSIST in the modern world, whereas such practices from Christians do not ? In today's world, we learn of beheadings, children forced to wear bombs, honour killings, stonings to death, we know that under Sharia Law, even the barbaric practice of chopping peoples' hands off for stealing is considered 'just'. Islamists want Sharia Law to become UNIVERSAL, and they want this, knowing full well what this would mean for mankind's future suffering. But they want that, regardless. Modern-day Christians just don't think like that. They have nothing driving them to such extremes, they want to inflict none of those cruelties and savageries on others. I ask .. WHY NOT ? What's your answer ? If your conclusion about religious parity is correct, how can you explain this ? Again, all Islamist don't want sharia law and you're ignorant for thinking this. There are plenty of Islamists in this country and they aren't looking for an opportunity to take out a couple more towers. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1125] Author : bingster Date : 01-17-2013 12:03 AM Don't you folks recognize that casting aspersions on all of Islam is the same as pigeon-holing all whites, or blacks, or orientals? It's not all about Jihad against American people. You are perpetrating a hate against a group of people, most of whom have no problem with us. Even George W., who I make no secret about the fact that I thought was an idiot, knew better than the premise of this entire thread. He made a concerted effort to say out loud in public, on tv, with cameras around and everything to say: "This is not a war against Islam." and it shouldn't be. I miss George. He made the Republican party look smart compared to the Republican party of today. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1126] Author : bingster Date : 01-17-2013 03:24 AM Title : Ok, let me break it down for you Let me break it down for you. I grew up in awe of Muhammad Ali who was raised as Cassius Clay in a land that considered this big monkey of a man as other than a human being. He was a circus act who could knock other black people down but who cares? He's just a negro, an uppity negro who's mouth is bigger than his brain. When the Vietnam draft came up he said "I don't have any quarrel with these people. No Vietnamese ever called me 'nigger'." He adopted the nation of Islam, because his own nation was unworthy of him. Later on, I married a former citizen of Iran. I enlisted in the army in the 80's so I told folks that my wife was Persian, because I knew my mates didn't realize my wife was from Iran (remember Iran/Contra?). She is a Shia Muslim-a member of Islam-the minority of the Islam nation. 90% of Islam is Sunni, 10% including most of Iran is Shiite. I was married to her for 2 years. Even after my marriage to Farimah, I was still confused about the nation of Islam, I read twice "Far East for Dummies" twice and took notes both times. You people obviously don't like liberals. I get that. You watch Fox News that is owned 15% by the same guy that Rudolf Guliani (sp?) turned down what he called a bribe of millions of dollars of donations from a guy named Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Alsaud. This guy is the largest single owner of Fox News, but he must have submitted some kind of an agreement, because Glen Beck, while taking the Sheik's money, ran countless shows against the guy. The nation of Islam is not about distroying America. Only the most severe reading of the Koran, and ignorant reading of the Koran, like the most ignorant reading of the Bible, dictates destroying the religious foes of the religion. A large percentage of this religion wants to live in peace. I've been a Walgreens employer for the last 23 years in which at least 10% of my pharmacy has always been Muslim. I guess they have better schools over there, because a large percentage of pharmacists in this country are Muslim. Some of the ladies wear the burka, some don't, but all of them have been peace loving people. I'm just an immoral, whiney, slutty liberal, but I think I know more about Islam than you Fox News watching, Rush Llmbaugh-loving Ditto-heads. If I don't know something, I look it up and don't believe, automatically, the rantings of a Glenn Beck, or a group of Fox Friends who say you can get your pap smears at Walgreens (in their rail against Family Planning). I can assure you that there are no ankle clamps on our photo kiosk for pap smears. Tell it to Fox News-we received a bunch of corporate cautionery e-mails on that bull-crap claim. Either cut the eye-holes a little larger, or just take off the white sheets you cover yourself with because the mission of this thread is completely racist in tone and intent. You guys don't know what the hell you are talking about and your rhetoric is embarassing to the real Americans of this country who believe in the freedoms of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1127] Author : red states rule Date : 01-17-2013 03:27 AM Picture of the Week http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/quetta-shia-1-10-13.jpg Shia pose with victims of a targeted (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/01/15/jonathan-kay-time-to-stop-ignoring-the-campaign-of-slaughter-against-pakistans-shiites/) Sunni bombing attack that snuffed out over 100 lives last week. What the "Religion of Peace" lacks in actual peace it more than makes up for in dead bodies. Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29 http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ 2013.01.16 (Amenas, Algeria) - Armed Islamists attack an oil field, killing two people and kidnapping several Westerners. 2013.01.16 (Kirkuk, Iraq) - Two-dozen shoppers are massacred by suicide truck bombers in a commercial district. 2013.01.16 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - Three civilians are murdered by Fedayeen suicide bombers. 2013.01.15 (Kano, Nigeria) - Four policemen are massacred by Boko Haram Islamists. 2013.01.15 (Fallujah, Iraq) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out seven Iraqis. 2013.01.15 (Shalobar, Pakistan) - Attacks by Lashkar-e-Islam on local security posts leave six innocents dead. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1128] Author : Drummond Date : 01-17-2013 02:09 PM Well, Bingster. You probably didn't want to give ground to me, but you have, all the same ... You started off with an argument meant to push the idea of parity between the religions ... which, had it been true, must surely mean that there'd be behavioural parity between its adherents, but ... we both know that this isn't true. Here's your quote once more .. 'Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity.' Now, I find myself replying to ... The point is that you are not referring to ALL Islamists. You are talking about the Taliban or Al Qaeda. There is a difference. Your remarks are offensive to peace-loving Islamists everywhere that make up, like I said, almost as large a population as Christians. KKK is Christian. The Crusades were Christian led. There are very bad factions of the Christian religion. No, I don't think there is any Christian faction currently as bad as Al Qaeda, but blaming all of Islam is quite incindiary and ignorant. So you've already moved to my own position. Not to any great degree, maybe, but movement is nonetheless there. Which is only understandable, Bingster, because everyone knows that you can't make comparisons between Islamic behaviour and Christian behaviour, and conclude that Christians have the same predisposition to savagery in today's world. You have yet to explain this, though. In the above quote, you cited the KKK as so-called 'Christian' behaviour. Well, IS IT ? Even taking the supposition on board that it is ... try comparing them to Hamas, say, or Al Qaeda. How many jet-propelled terrorist attacks on skyscrapers has the KKK ever been responsible for ? How many missiles have they fired against a Nation State that they have an ultimate ambition to destroy ? Perhaps, like Al Qaeda, they can claim to be a worldwide terrorist group ??? Your citing of the Crusades as an alternative choice is laughable, as the Crusades have nothing to do with today's world !!! Can you really not come up with better examples than this ??? Consider the plethora of Islamic terrorist groups which exist, TODAY, by comparison. I don't need to list them, as all of us know of their existence. Take a look at Redstate's post, preceding this one. What comparable posting can you offer of Christian terrorism ?? Redstate's posting is but one example of many more such lists, posted previously by Tyr, showing evidence of Islam's persisting, perpetual, barbarities, for which there is no equivalent from Christians. Can I take it, therefore, that the fiction of Islam as a so-called 'religion of peace' is thoroughly discredited as the ROT it is ? Bingster, I do not, repeat, NOT, claim that all Islamists are terrorists, nor that there is no such thing as a peace loving Islamist. It would make not the slightest bit of sense to claim any such thing. That said .. there is a FAR greater likelihood of savagery, terrorism, and the like, to be observed from Islam's adherents than other religions. This truth ABSOLUTELY defies, as it MUST, any claim that Islam is 'a religion of peace'. Perhaps you'd care to counter that assertion ? Good luck in the attempt ! For myself, I shall offer you this following material to back up my understanding of the TRUTH of Islam, what it leads to, what so many Muslims TRULY WANT ... and ... I'm sorry, but there is a great deal to post !!! .... Here it comes .... http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/01/survey-61-percent-of-british-muslims-want-sharia-courts.html The special poll based on a survey of 500 British Muslims found that a clear majority want Islamic law introduced into this country in civil cases relating to their own community. Some 61 per cent wanted Islamic courts - operating on sharia principles – "so long as the penalties did not contravene British law". A major part of civil cases in this country deal with family disputes such as divorce, custody and inheritance. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html As a throng of Muslim families crowd around him, Abu Izzadeen speaks in a quiet voice of his plans for the future of Britain. The tall, bearded 36-year-old — who was recently freed from prison after serving a term for funding terrorism — is telling, in chilling detail, how he wants to impose Islam’s strict Sharia law on this country. At a shopping mall in Waltham Forest, North London, Muslim passers-by listen intently. Some shout greetings in Arabic from across the street. Fathers push forward their young sons (wearing skull caps for prayers at the local mosque) so they can get a good view of the man who is plainly viewed by many as a hero. Today, Izzadeen, the self-styled ‘Director for Waltham Forest Muslims’, will march with his supporters — many of them new young recruits to Islam — as part of their campaign to make the suburban borough into Britain’s first Sharia-law zone. Under his brutal set of rules, there would be a ban on alcohol, gambling, drugs, music, smoking and homosexuality, as well as on men and women mixing in public. This is all part of Izzadeen’s concerted campaign to defeat ‘Western decadence’ and turn large parts of Britain — where, his supporters say, ‘people live like animals in a jungle’ — into an Islamic Emirate. Already, 20,000 yellow leaflets have been printed by Islamic activists, saying ‘You are entering a Sharia controlled zone. Islamic rules enforced.’ The leaflets have been stuck onto lamp-posts, put up in shop windows and on pillar boxes. As fast as the police and council officials tear them down, more go up. Izzadeen says: ‘This is the first step towards turning Britain into an Islamic state. There are nearly three million Muslims in this country. Islam is a sleeping giant that is waking. We have moved on from the debate about the provision of halal meat to more political issues. ‘Twenty-five areas around Britain have large Muslim populations, including Bradford, Dewsbury, Leicester and Luton. We want to turn them all into Islamic Emirates, where the excesses of Western civilisation are not tolerated.’ Getting the TRUE picture yet ? Islam is invasive, and wants to ensure that ITS religion, with all that this means, enacts a CONQUEST over other systems ... .. Moving on .. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and that only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries. In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined. The following polls convey what Muslims say are their attitudes toward terrorism, al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 attacks, violence in defense of Islam, Sharia, honor killings, and matters concerning assimilation in Western society. The results are all the more astonishing because most of the polls were conducted by organizations with an obvious interest in "discovering" agreeable statistics that downplay any cause for concern ... There is much to read from that site ! To save space, I'll just deal with the Sharia Law portion ... [quote]83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers 78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/pakistan-78-percent-call-for-apostate-deaths/ Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam; http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06 http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory) http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/ World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country 76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country 49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country 76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.” http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation 58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation 36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation 82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation 65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers 70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers 42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers 82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers 56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ So, Bingster. Tell me more about Islam as a so-called 'religion of peace'. Tell me that such attitudes, such as I've illustrated here, have ANY equivalent in Christian behaviour, or belief, TODAY. And tell me, illustrating your reasoning, why it's our duty to sit back and think 'happy, happy' thoughts in the face of what Islamists clearly wish for the world. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1129] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 01-17-2013 02:59 PM Bingster, I do not, repeat, NOT, claim that all Islamists are terrorists, nor that there is no such thing as a peace loving Islamist. It would make not the slightest bit of sense to claim any such thing. That said .. there is a FAR greater likelihood of savagery, terrorism, and the like, to be observed from Islam's adherents than other religions. This truth ABSOLUTELY defies, as it MUST, any claim that Islam is 'a religion of peace'. :clap: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1130] Author : aboutime Date : 01-17-2013 03:17 PM Bingster. What I learned, and probably many others have learned from your long, tiresome tirade about yourself is. You are almost the spitting-image of another member here who calls himself "jafar". And, like him. You appear to me, to be nothing more than another shill, like jafar whom I prefer to identify as a False Prophet. You can insist, brag, call names, make accusations, create labels, and judge me as much as you like. Your insignificance here is only equal to the insignificance of jafar. So. I see both of you as somewhat Brainwashed puppets who must always repeat, incite, and attempt to destroy everyone else who disagree's with you in any way. In other words. Nothing you say here means BEANS to me, or probably anyone else. I have spent most of my long life trying to survive with being around pure BS'er's, and in doing so. Have learned how those who try to BS everyone else. Never succeed in proving anything except...HOW MUCH BS they need, and depend upon to exist. So. You might as well take your BS, and Phoniness elsewhere. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1131] Author : red states rule Date : 01-17-2013 04:31 PM Bingster. What I learned, and probably many others have learned from your long, tiresome tirade about yourself is. You are almost the spitting-image of another member here who calls himself "jafar". And, like him. You appear to me, to be nothing more than another shill, like jafar whom I prefer to identify as a False Prophet. You can insist, brag, call names, make accusations, create labels, and judge me as much as you like. Your insignificance here is only equal to the insignificance of jafar. So. I see both of you as somewhat Brainwashed puppets who must always repeat, incite, and attempt to destroy everyone else who disagree's with you in any way. In other words. Nothing you say here means BEANS to me, or probably anyone else. I have spent most of my long life trying to survive with being around pure BS'er's, and in doing so. Have learned how those who try to BS everyone else. Never succeed in proving anything except...HOW MUCH BS they need, and depend upon to exist. So. You might as well take your BS, and Phoniness elsewhere. For Bingster - here is a Muslim cat http://www.bibleprobe.com/MuslimCat.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1132] Author : aboutime Date : 01-17-2013 05:16 PM For Bingster - here is a Muslim cat http://www.bibleprobe.com/MuslimCat.jpg 4329 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1133] Author : red states rule Date : 01-17-2013 05:18 PM http://www.bibleprobe.com/priceless.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1134] Author : aboutime Date : 01-17-2013 05:27 PM Or....4331...with....4332 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1135] Author : red states rule Date : 01-17-2013 05:31 PM http://www.bibleprobe.com/jihad_this.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1136] Author : aboutime Date : 01-17-2013 06:18 PM A Sign of the times....4335 jafar and friends refuse to obey. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1137] Author : Drummond Date : 01-17-2013 06:19 PM :clap: Thanks, Abbey and Jim, for your own 'thanks'. I think it worthwhile to add some clarification as to how I think of this issue. I'm sticking by what I've posted. It's reasonable to take it as clear fact that there are peaceful Muslims, who'd much rather go about their daily affairs, not thinking of lobbing bombs around, or getting involved in Jihads, all of that. You'll get ordinary, reasonable people in every walk of life, no matter what their faith. Islam is different, though, because it demands more of its adherents. The fear of mortal consequences just for walking away from Islam, for example. Islam, I believe, is far and away the most aggressive, savage religion on the planet. It WILL, it DOES, breed terrorism because of its very nature. However ... you'll always get people who are far less devout than others, no matter what faith that's being discussed. That's just life. I hope Bingster understands this, and can accommodate truth over Leftie propaganda. Because, Bingster, there's PLENTY of truth out there !!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1138] Author : red states rule Date : 01-17-2013 06:23 PM Did you hear about the Broadway play, 'The Palestinians'? It bombed! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1139] Author : aboutime Date : 01-17-2013 06:29 PM Did you hear about the Broadway play, 'The Palestinians'? It bombed! I heard about that. And coincidentally. Right next door, in another Broadway theater was "Obama's BrokeBack Mountain of Debt" "The Trillion Dollar Hooker!" Still bombing every American's bank account as well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1140] Author : red states rule Date : 01-17-2013 06:32 PM In Israeli nurseries the sign says quiet please. In Palestinian maternity wards the sign says? "Live ammunition." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1141] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-17-2013 07:35 PM Well, Bingster. You probably didn't want to give ground to me, but you have, all the same ... You started off with an argument meant to push the idea of parity between the religions ... which, had it been true, must surely mean that there'd be behavioural parity between its adherents, but ... we both know that this isn't true. Here's your quote once more .. Now, I find myself replying to ... So you've already moved to my own position. Not to any great degree, maybe, but movement is nonetheless there. Which is only understandable, Bingster, because everyone knows that you can't make comparisons between Islamic behaviour and Christian behaviour, and conclude that Christians have the same predisposition to savagery in today's world. You have yet to explain this, though. In the above quote, you cited the KKK as so-called 'Christian' behaviour. Well, IS IT ? Even taking the supposition on board that it is ... try comparing them to Hamas, say, or Al Qaeda. How many jet-propelled terrorist attacks on skyscrapers has the KKK ever been responsible for ? How many missiles have they fired against a Nation State that they have an ultimate ambition to destroy ? Perhaps, like Al Qaeda, they can claim to be a worldwide terrorist group ??? Your citing of the Crusades as an alternative choice is laughable, as the Crusades have nothing to do with today's world !!! Can you really not come up with better examples than this ??? Consider the plethora of Islamic terrorist groups which exist, TODAY, by comparison. I don't need to list them, as all of us know of their existence. Take a look at Redstate's post, preceding this one. What comparable posting can you offer of Christian terrorism ?? Redstate's posting is but one example of many more such lists, posted previously by Tyr, showing evidence of Islam's persisting, perpetual, barbarities, for which there is no equivalent from Christians. Can I take it, therefore, that the fiction of Islam as a so-called 'religion of peace' is thoroughly discredited as the ROT it is ? Bingster, I do not, repeat, NOT, claim that all Islamists are terrorists, nor that there is no such thing as a peace loving Islamist. It would make not the slightest bit of sense to claim any such thing. That said .. there is a FAR greater likelihood of savagery, terrorism, and the like, to be observed from Islam's adherents than other religions. This truth ABSOLUTELY defies, as it MUST, any claim that Islam is 'a religion of peace'. Perhaps you'd care to counter that assertion ? Good luck in the attempt ! For myself, I shall offer you this following material to back up my understanding of the TRUTH of Islam, what it leads to, what so many Muslims TRULY WANT ... and ... I'm sorry, but there is a great deal to post !!! .... Here it comes .... http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/01/survey-61-percent-of-british-muslims-want-sharia-courts.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html Getting the TRUE picture yet ? Islam is invasive, and wants to ensure that ITS religion, with all that this means, enacts a CONQUEST over other systems ... .. Moving on .. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm There is much to read from that site ! To save space, I'll just deal with the Sharia Law portion ... [quote]83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers 78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/pakistan-78-percent-call-for-apostate-deaths/ Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam; http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06 http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory) http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/ World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country 76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country 49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country 76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.” http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation 58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation 36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation 82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation 65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers 70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers 42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers 82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers 56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ So, Bingster. Tell me more about Islam as a so-called 'religion of peace'. Tell me that such attitudes, such as I've illustrated here, have ANY equivalent in Christian behaviour, or belief, TODAY. And tell me, illustrating your reasoning, why it's our duty to sit back and think 'happy, happy' thoughts in the face of what Islamists clearly wish for the world. Simply put, a brilliant post.. Were it not so I would not claim it to be..-:beer:--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1142] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-17-2013 07:49 PM Let me break it down for you. I grew up in awe of Muhammad Ali who was raised as Cassius Clay in a land that considered this big monkey of a man as other than a human being. He was a circus act who could knock other black people down but who cares? He's just a negro, an uppity negro who's mouth is bigger than his brain. When the Vietnam draft came up he said "I don't have any quarrel with these people. No Vietnamese ever called me 'nigger'." He adopted the nation of Islam, because his own nation was unworthy of him. Later on, I married a former citizen of Iran. I enlisted in the army in the 80's so I told folks that my wife was Persian, because I knew my mates didn't realize my wife was from Iran (remember Iran/Contra?). She is a Shia Muslim-a member of Islam-the minority of the Islam nation. 90% of Islam is Sunni, 10% including most of Iran is Shiite. I was married to her for 2 years. Even after my marriage to Farimah, I was still confused about the nation of Islam, I read twice "Far East for Dummies" twice and took notes both times. You people obviously don't like liberals. I get that. You watch Fox News that is owned 15% by the same guy that Rudolf Guliani (sp?) turned down what he called a bribe of millions of dollars of donations from a guy named Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Alsaud. This guy is the largest single owner of Fox News, but he must have submitted some kind of an agreement, because Glen Beck, while taking the Sheik's money, ran countless shows against the guy. The nation of Islam is not about distroying America. Only the most severe reading of the Koran, and ignorant reading of the Koran, like the most ignorant reading of the Bible, dictates destroying the religious foes of the religion. A large percentage of this religion wants to live in peace. I've been a Walgreens employer for the last 23 years in which at least 10% of my pharmacy has always been Muslim. I guess they have better schools over there, because a large percentage of pharmacists in this country are Muslim. Some of the ladies wear the burka, some don't, but all of them have been peace loving people. I'm just an immoral, whiney, slutty liberal, but I think I know more about Islam than you Fox News watching, Rush Llmbaugh-loving Ditto-heads. If I don't know something, I look it up and don't believe, automatically, the rantings of a Glenn Beck, or a group of Fox Friends who say you can get your pap smears at Walgreens (in their rail against Family Planning). I can assure you that there are no ankle clamps on our photo kiosk for pap smears. Tell it to Fox News-we received a bunch of corporate cautionery e-mails on that bull-crap claim. Either cut the eye-holes a little larger, or just take off the white sheets you cover yourself with because the mission of this thread is completely racist in tone and intent. OK, do tell me what RACE am I talking about when I condemn Islamist terrorists that murder around the globe!?? 1. Whats racist about my stating Islam's goals? 2. Whats racist about my posting the info on the murders that they are doing? 2. Whats racist about my demand that Sharia law never be allowed here in America? I'm sure that it matters not to you one whit but I am disappointed in your false accusations made about my thread, my intent and my demand for Islam to be truly studied with an open mind while examining what they are doing worldwide etc.. I think possibly I've studied Islam a bit better than you have and my conclusions are correct. Additionally we have Drummond's eloquent post that revealed a lot more . Do have your say here. I have no objection to you presenting your case , I simply disagree with it..--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1143] Author : aboutime Date : 01-17-2013 08:06 PM OK, do tell me what RACE am I talking about when I condemn Islamist terrorists that murder around the globe!?? 1. Whats racist about my stating Islam's goals? 2. Whats racist about my posting the info on the murders that they are doing? 2. Whats racist about my demand that Sharia law never be allowed here in America? I'm sure that it matters not to you one whit but I am disappointed in your false accusations made about my thread, my intent and my demand for Islam to be truly studied with an open mind while examining what they are doing worldwide etc.. I think possibly I've studied Islam a bit better than you have and my conclusions are correct. Additionally we have Drummond's eloquent post that revealed a lot more . Do have your say here. I have no objection to you presenting your case , I simply disagree with it..--Tyr Tyr. Forget bingster. He/She is nothing but another jafar/obama wannabe who came here to cause trouble, throw mudballs, then dare others to challenge him/her in the competition for stupidity only a bingster/obama/jafar can applaud. No need to waste time on this kind of bully. They can only survive as long as they incite others to argue with them. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1144] Author : Drummond Date : 01-18-2013 03:27 AM [QUOTE=Drummond;607435]Well, Bingster. You probably didn't want to give ground to me, but you have, all the same ... You started off with an argument meant to push the idea of parity between the religions ... which, had it been true, must surely mean that there'd be behavioural parity between its adherents, but ... we both know that this isn't true. Here's your quote once more .. Now, I find myself replying to ... So you've already moved to my own position. Not to any great degree, maybe, but movement is nonetheless there. Which is only understandable, Bingster, because everyone knows that you can't make comparisons between Islamic behaviour and Christian behaviour, and conclude that Christians have the same predisposition to savagery in today's world. You have yet to explain this, though. In the above quote, you cited the KKK as so-called 'Christian' behaviour. Well, IS IT ? Even taking the supposition on board that it is ... try comparing them to Hamas, say, or Al Qaeda. How many jet-propelled terrorist attacks on skyscrapers has the KKK ever been responsible for ? How many missiles have they fired against a Nation State that they have an ultimate ambition to destroy ? Perhaps, like Al Qaeda, they can claim to be a worldwide terrorist group ??? Your citing of the Crusades as an alternative choice is laughable, as the Crusades have nothing to do with today's world !!! Can you really not come up with better examples than this ??? Consider the plethora of Islamic terrorist groups which exist, TODAY, by comparison. I don't need to list them, as all of us know of their existence. Take a look at Redstate's post, preceding this one. What comparable posting can you offer of Christian terrorism ?? Redstate's posting is but one example of many more such lists, posted previously by Tyr, showing evidence of Islam's persisting, perpetual, barbarities, for which there is no equivalent from Christians. Can I take it, therefore, that the fiction of Islam as a so-called 'religion of peace' is thoroughly discredited as the ROT it is ? Bingster, I do not, repeat, NOT, claim that all Islamists are terrorists, nor that there is no such thing as a peace loving Islamist. It would make not the slightest bit of sense to claim any such thing. That said .. there is a FAR greater likelihood of savagery, terrorism, and the like, to be observed from Islam's adherents than other religions. This truth ABSOLUTELY defies, as it MUST, any claim that Islam is 'a religion of peace'. Perhaps you'd care to counter that assertion ? Good luck in the attempt ! For myself, I shall offer you this following material to back up my understanding of the TRUTH of Islam, what it leads to, what so many Muslims TRULY WANT ... and ... I'm sorry, but there is a great deal to post !!! .... Here it comes .... http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/01/survey-61-percent-of-british-muslims-want-sharia-courts.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html Getting the TRUE picture yet ? Islam is invasive, and wants to ensure that ITS religion, with all that this means, enacts a CONQUEST over other systems ... .. Moving on .. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm There is much to read from that site ! To save space, I'll just deal with the Sharia Law portion ... Simply put, a brilliant post.. Were it not so I would not claim it to be..-:beer:--Tyr Very appreciated ! Thanks, Tyr .. :beer: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1145] Author : red states rule Date : 01-18-2013 03:30 AM http://www.bibleprobe.com/islamand911.gif -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1146] Author : Drummond Date : 01-18-2013 03:36 AM OK, do tell me what RACE am I talking about when I condemn Islamist terrorists that murder around the globe!?? 1. Whats racist about my stating Islam's goals? 2. Whats racist about my posting the info on the murders that they are doing? 2. Whats racist about my demand that Sharia law never be allowed here in America? I'm sure that it matters not to you one whit but I am disappointed in your false accusations made about my thread, my intent and my demand for Islam to be truly studied with an open mind while examining what they are doing worldwide etc.. I think possibly I've studied Islam a bit better than you have and my conclusions are correct. Additionally we have Drummond's eloquent post that revealed a lot more . Do have your say here. I have no objection to you presenting your case , I simply disagree with it..--Tyr :clap::clap:Excellent post, Tyr. I've already posted on this forum, and very recently (in reply to a post to Jafar) that my own opposition to Muslim terrorism has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the actions terrorists take, AND what fuels it, which is a creed that spans races and countries. I cited the example of Richard Reid, a British caucasian, BUT ALSO A MUSLIM TRERRORIST, who boarded a plane with a bomb concealed in his shoe, intending to detonate it in mid-flight. Failed attempt or not, the terrorism intended, the deaths of many innocent victims plotted, is every bit as foul as any other terrorist outrage planned or committed by Muslims of other ethnicities. Even Jafar replied and acknowledged the point I'd made, with his 'fair enough' comment in reply. RACE IS ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1147] Author : red states rule Date : 01-18-2013 03:52 AM RACE IS ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT. Unless you are a liberal who is losing a debate, then you must pull the race card from the bottom of the deck in a lame attempt to try and save face and go off topic -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1148] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-18-2013 07:51 AM :clap::clap:Excellent post, Tyr. I've already posted on this forum, and very recently (in reply to a post to Jafar) that my own opposition to Muslim terrorism has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the actions terrorists take, AND what fuels it, which is a creed that spans races and countries. I cited the example of Richard Reid, a British caucasian, BUT ALSO A MUSLIM TRERRORIST, who boarded a plane with a bomb concealed in his shoe, intending to detonate it in mid-flight. Failed attempt or not, the terrorism intended, the deaths of many innocent victims plotted, is every bit as foul as any other terrorist outrage planned or committed by Muslims of other ethnicities. Even Jafar replied and acknowledged the point I'd made, with his 'fair enough' comment in reply. RACE IS ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT. I was more disappointed that this new member went into the accusation mode so quickly. Likely has the ability to do far better than simple character assassination but went there instead. This is a very long thread with much info and many replies. Enough to reveal its not about race or bigotry but is about justice, freedom, Rule of Law and the desire for the preservation of human life. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1149] Author : Drummond Date : 01-18-2013 09:33 AM I was more disappointed that this new member went into the accusation mode so quickly. Likely has the ability to do far better than simple character assassination but went there instead. This is a very long thread with much info and many replies. Enough to reveal its not about race or bigotry but is about justice, freedom, Rule of Law and the desire for the preservation of human life. -Tyr Yes, absolutely ! The last link included in my post is well worth re-posting, because the page it leads to has so much to inform us of. I only reproduced one segment of it before. So, let's look at some more .. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm Try this ... the 'terrorism' segment ... Bingster, are you taking notes .. ? ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombershttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06 http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq. http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children: http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/ http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans 32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans 41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans 38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans 83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose) 62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose) 42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose) A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans: (Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%) About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S. http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah 30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah 45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative) 43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative) http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative). 49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative) 49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative) 39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative) http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. 34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/ Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops. http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified. 35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall). 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). 22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall). 29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall). http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60 Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never). 28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never). http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/ Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60 ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities. 27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate. http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005 http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack. http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police. http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified. 37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target". http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism)/) for further statistics on Islamic terror. Quite a number of the percentage figures given fall below 50 percent. Nonetheless, ANY attempt to equate this data with a claim that the religion which drives Muslims must be 'a religion of peace' is simply laughable !! If it weren't, you'd be hard-pressed to find any substantial numbers of Muslims agreeing with ANY of this ... you'd CERTAINLY not see percentage figures EVEN reaching double digits !!! Bingster would no doubt wish to try and rubbish this data ... such an effort is immediately defied by the fact that SO MANY SOURCES HAVE PROVIDED IT. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1150] Author : ConHog Date : 01-19-2013 02:35 AM Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts. Surely we that place such great value on justice and freedom can see that there can be absolutely no peace with Islam, with those so dedicated to destroying freedom and justice as we know it. Destroying it as our founders intended and created a governing magnificent document to guide. Should we fail to unite and arrive at that conclusion, create a proper plan of action and pursue it with determination we shall meet our destruction. For abandoning our integrity, honor and justice we shall pay a heavy price. One that few will dare admit because such tragedy is always the fate of others and we console ourselves with that old line of comforting thinking. Should we fail to act such tragedy may possibly be a just fate for a peoples that have betrayed the sacrifice of millions that gave us the most precious of blessings: Independence, freedom, Rule of law and Constitution.! Such a combination that was not only unique in the world but has since failed to be duplicated ! Should we abandone common sense, Rule of Law to follow the easier path of appeasement our choice made to avoid confronting our fears and our enemy shall almost certainly bring destruction for having renounced the gift that has been dearly bought with the blood, tears and treasure of countless Americans that have lived and died fighting the true fight. The good fight of justice over injustice , of good over evil and the happiness of having created and passed on a blessing beyond compare to future generations.. Rather than yield to complacency, indifference and shallow lusts of the times it may be wise to learn again how to fall to bended knee and asked for strength of mind , pureness of heart and justice defended by righteous blade and keen intellect! If you have no “blade” sell your costly toys to buy the best money can buy. For what good be such if in maintaining one looses their head? Ask not mercy and gifts from enemies with no honor but instead stand firm defend your life, your family and your country! For life often demands great sacrifice, think not and life will take that and more. The more being that which few can or will dare imagine but life cares not about our fears and failures. It is we that should care more about life! Care enough to stand against those that would murder our parents, enslave our children and exstinguish freedom and justice forever. Islam, shall not subjugate this great nation. Shall not if we face it without fear and with determination birthed from defending that which is good and right about our nation. The nation created to be the guiding light to the world. A Christian nation blessed by God and occupied by those brave enough to spill blood , blood of others as well as their own! -Tyr No link , my composition... What the fuck? Seriously dude, paragraphs are your friend. PS we're not a Christian nation, and we never were. Certainly we were founded and based on certain Christian principles, but we are a secular nation. Which only proves that even those disgusting non believers can have morals. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1151] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-19-2013 11:07 AM What the fuck? Seriously dude, paragraphs are your friend. PS we're not a Christian nation, and we never were. Certainly we were founded and based on certain Christian principles, but we are a secular nation. Which only proves that even those disgusting non believers can have morals. Never were a Christian nation... :laugh2: So wrong that its funny dude. We were a Christian nation founded upon Christian beliefs and English common law. Our government was founded to insure no -one religion- attained total dominance over the others but that did not void out the influences of the Christian faith in society and yes in government too. The subject of this thread is Sharia law, Islam and its threat to our nation, culture and survival. Sure the non believers have morals. Morals are not the sole property of Christians. However , Sharia law has punishments based upon the Koran and its accompany religious additions. Sharia law seeks to subvert everything to the authority of the Koran. There is a very good Christian thread already here . I suggest that is the proper place for this kind of discussion. http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?5055-America-was-founded-as-a-Christian-Nation -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1152] Author : logroller Date : 01-22-2013 03:08 AM Never were a Christian nation... :laugh2: So wrong that its funny dude. We were a Christian nation founded upon Christian beliefs and English common law. Our government was founded to insure no -one religion- attained total dominance over the others but that did not void out the influences of the Christian faith in society and yes in government too. The subject of this thread is Sharia law, Islam and its threat to our nation, culture and survival. Sure the non believers have morals. Morals are not the sole property of Christians. However , Sharia law has punishments based upon the Koran and its accompany religious additions. Sharia law seeks to subvert everything to the authority of the Koran. There is a very good Christian thread already here . I suggest that is the proper place for this kind of discussion. http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?5055-America-was-founded-as-a-Christian-Nation I suggest you not make mention of postulates in your original post then denounce attempts to challenge them. The OP, like most of your posts, is all over the place. Nothings off limits. America was founded by those who had Christian beliefs is a true statement. America is a Christian Nation is not true, no more than America is a white nation would be true. Like a prayer that references God is different than one which references Jesus, the difference may be subtle, but remarkable. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1153] Author : ConHog Date : 01-22-2013 03:20 AM I suggest you not make mention of postulates in your original post then denounce attempts to challenge them. The OP, like most of your posts, is all over the place. Nothings off limits. America was founded by those who had Christian beliefs is a true statement. America is a Christian Nation is not true, no more than America is a white nation would be true. Like a prayer that references God is different than one which references Jesus, the difference may be subtle, but remarkable. Exactly right. Brilliant post yada yada yada -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1154] Author : red states rule Date : 01-22-2013 08:41 AM Yes, absolutely ! The last link included in my post is well worth re-posting, because the page it leads to has so much to inform us of. I only reproduced one segment of it before. So, let's look at some more .. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm Try this ... the 'terrorism' segment ... Bingster, are you taking notes .. ? Quite a number of the percentage figures given fall below 50 percent. Nonetheless, ANY attempt to equate this data with a claim that the religion which drives Muslims must be 'a religion of peace' is simply laughable !! If it weren't, you'd be hard-pressed to find any substantial numbers of Muslims agreeing with ANY of this ... you'd CERTAINLY not see percentage figures EVEN reaching double digits !!! Bingster would no doubt wish to try and rubbish this data ... such an effort is immediately defied by the fact that SO MANY SOURCES HAVE PROVIDED IT. [/FONT] [/SIZE][/FONT] http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz012113dAPR20130121044519.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1155] Author : red states rule Date : 01-22-2013 08:43 AM Never were a Christian nation... :laugh2: So wrong that its funny dude. We were a Christian nation founded upon Christian beliefs and English common law. Our government was founded to insure no -one religion- attained total dominance over the others but that did not void out the influences of the Christian faith in society and yes in government too. The subject of this thread is Sharia law, Islam and its threat to our nation, culture and survival. Sure the non believers have morals. Morals are not the sole property of Christians. However , Sharia law has punishments based upon the Koran and its accompany religious additions. Sharia law seeks to subvert everything to the authority of the Koran. There is a very good Christian thread already here . I suggest that is the proper place for this kind of discussion. http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?5055-America-was-founded-as-a-Christian-Nation Well said!! :clap::clap: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1156] Author : aboutime Date : 02-19-2013 09:52 PM I wondered what happened to this thread. It really is worth revisiting. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1157] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 02-19-2013 11:29 PM I wondered what happened to this thread. It really is worth revisiting. Well, the ignorant punks kinda went silent. One of them went away and the others knew they were fairly and marvelously beaten! By a far better man!!--;)-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1158] Author : Little-Acorn Date : 02-19-2013 11:58 PM There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts. Interestingly, modern liberalism is the same way. When was the last time you hear Barack Obama actually try to find a middle ground between his party's stand, and Republicans' stand? Not just ask Republicans to find a middle ground (he says that all the time), but he himself yield his own stand to reach a middle ground. Correct: He never has. My guess is, there are two reasons. 1.) There IS no middle ground between people who believe you own what you create, and people who believe you don't own it. 2.) He cannot logically support his stand (that you don't own what you create, and so others can take it if they feel it's for "the greater good"). And so when somebody opposes his stand, he can neither debate them, nor even tolerate their very existence. Total submission (of them to him) is the ONLY outcome he can imagine. Islam may have similar reasons for its similar demand for total submission, or they may be different, I don't know. But it's remarkable how many outward similarities there are between Islam, and modern liberalism in the U.S. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1159] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 02-20-2013 07:07 PM Interestingly, modern liberalism is the same way. When was the last time you hear Barack Obama actually try to find a middle ground between his party's stand, and Republicans' stand? Not just ask Republicans to find a middle ground (he says that all the time), but he himself yield his own stand to reach a middle ground. Correct: He never has. My guess is, there are two reasons. 1.) There IS no middle ground between people who believe you own what you create, and people who believe you don't own it. 2.) He cannot logically support his stand (that you don't own what you create, and so others can take it if they feel it's for "the greater good"). And so when somebody opposes his stand, he can neither debate them, nor even tolerate their very existence. Total submission (of them to him) is the ONLY outcome he can imagine. Islam may have similar reasons for its similar demand for total submission, or they may be different, I don't know. But it's remarkable how many outward similarities there are between Islam, and modern liberalism in the U.S. Tis why the leftists have allied with Islam. Is why obama the scum works secretly for Islam. Is why obama works against Israel. Is why we the citizens are to be disarmed! -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1160] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 05-12-2013 02:23 PM http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Little-Acornhttp://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=618530#post618530) Interestingly, modern liberalism is the same way. When was the last time you hear Barack Obama actually try to find a middle ground between his party's stand, and Republicans' stand? Not just ask Republicans to find a middle ground (he says that all the time), but he himself yield his own stand to reach a middle ground. Correct: He never has. My guess is, there are two reasons. 1.) There IS no middle ground between people who believe you own what you create, and people who believe you don't own it. 2.) He cannot logically support his stand (that you don't own what you create, and so others can take it if they feel it's for "the greater good"). And so when somebody opposes his stand, he can neither debate them, nor even tolerate their very existence. Total submission (of them to him) is the ONLY outcome he can imagine. Islam may have similar reasons for its similar demand for total submission, or they may be different, I don't know. But it's remarkable how many outward similarities there are between Islam, and modern liberalism in the U.S. Tis why the leftists have allied with Islam. Is why obama the scum works secretly for Islam. Is why obama works against Israel. Is why we the citizens are to be disarmed! -Tyr Recent events and Obama's crusade against gun owners just give more proof of my previous prediction about how he was going to go on a gun grabbing crusade if he got a second term. I was dead on right. Damn nice to live to see the correctness of my predictions even the one about China I made in the early 70's. Now my contentions made in this thread are being proven correct more everyday! The muslims are actively expanding their power over in the ME and Iran getting nuked up while obama twiddles his thumbs and lets Americans be murdered overseas and lies about it to cover for his muslim brothers. American muslim groups are buying politicians and demandind special status/treatment. My early dedicated critics in this thread have gone silent as more and more reality/current world events proves my case. So nice to sit back and laugh at those guys now -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1161] Author : red states rule Date : 05-12-2013 02:27 PM http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-khX9Uw0eNgk/TeM7oScmuyI/AAAAAAAAAsI/oQQjEJmAenQ/s1600/249720_1928195118538_1051994745_2163173_7679914_n.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1162] Author : Drummond Date : 05-12-2013 02:40 PM I see this thread is making a welcome return !!!! :clap: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1163] Author : red states rule Date : 05-12-2013 02:43 PM I see this thread is making a welcome return !!!! :clap: Much to the dismay of those screaming about the "rights" of terrorists -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1164] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 05-12-2013 04:29 PM Much to the dismay of those screaming about the "rights" of terrorists Coming soon to a location near us all. That is fj at the comp methinks...........;)--Tyr http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LeGOHduIMAU/UYOrtE0ENQI/AAAAAAACHSE/haRsMA-p2N0/s400/theo5.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1165] Author : red states rule Date : 05-13-2013 03:21 PM http://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/apostate-vi.jpg?w=480&h=373 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1166] Author : aboutime Date : 05-13-2013 08:17 PM My impression of jafar....before,4989 and after becoming a dummy. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1167] Author : red states rule Date : 05-14-2013 02:41 AM My impression of jafar....before,4989 and after becoming a dummy. Which one is Jafar? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-61lR2EqmwYM/TXV0PqILNnI/AAAAAAAAC3U/KKObhV0C2E4/s400/signs001%255B1%255D.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1168] Author : actsnoblemartin Date : 05-14-2013 03:44 AM my take: we are stuck in a precarious position. Islam itself has some worrying passages that unlike other religions are not being taken literally by islamic terrorists. I dont have all the answers here, but it probably would be a good idea to take these as good for thought, i.e. discussion #1 have a secure border, we need to know that terrorists cant walk across at any time #2 work with american muslims to help identify and stop radicalized muslims from striking #3 monitor and keep an eye on terrorist sympathizers, as they tend to become terrorists. #4 stop being so p.c. about islamic terrorism, we get it its not all muslims are terrorists, but its enough of them thats its a problem including world terrorism is committed is committed by muslim men aged 17-35 #5 support christians who are being persecuted around the world, especially by muslim nations who are intolerant of anyone who isnt muslims -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1169] Author : red states rule Date : 05-14-2013 03:47 AM http://www.drybonesproject.com/blog/D08706_2.gif -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1170] Author : actsnoblemartin Date : 05-14-2013 04:04 AM My stand is, we cant sacrifice our freedoms because a few assholes get their feelings hurt. Whether they be uptight p.c. assholes, or uptight islamic, western hating assholes -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1171] Author : red states rule Date : 05-14-2013 04:19 AM http://rlv.zcache.com/if_ignorance_is_bliss_liberals_must_be_happier_sticker-p217434911479920405qjcl_400.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1172] Author : red state Date : 05-14-2013 12:50 PM Tyr Wrote: "Well, the ignorant punks kinda went silent. One of them went away and the others knew they were fairly and marvelously beaten! By a far better man!!"--;)-Tyr Little Acorn Wrote: "Interestingly, modern liberalism is the same way." About Time Wrote: "My impression of jafar....before {SILENCE~I KILL U} and after becoming a dummy." ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Tyr, don't get too disappointed in their silence.....some of the more ignorant ones are probably still trying to read the original post so that they can understand it....the REALLY ignorant ones couldn't read it at all because they prefer to read and comment within the level of a first grader. Little Acorn, hit the nail right on the head....liberals are very similar to muSLUMs in that they want you to accept them but THEY will never accept you/us/AMERICA. Instead, they rather force their beliefs on America with little to no regard for what IS AMERICAN. About Time said it best (and simply put so that those who have a short attention span or reading level can follow along; the left and pretenders would rather insult, discredit or even kill true conservative rather than listen, get along or respect others. And God forbid if they should have to read more than a sentence of two. The left are not only muSLUM-like but are extremely CHILD-like with straw-man rants instead of actually contributing to a thread. THEY rather try to kill it. About Time is spot on with the opening statement of this page.......THIS TREAD TRULY IS WORTH REVISITING. Now that the rift-raft (as Tyr put it) has been driven away with logic that THEY are incapable of comprehending, we (adults) can not have an adult conversation. ~RED STATE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1173] Author : aboutime Date : 05-14-2013 01:48 PM Which one is Jafar? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-61lR2EqmwYM/TXV0PqILNnI/AAAAAAAAC3U/KKObhV0C2E4/s400/signs001%255B1%255D.jpg red states rule. In answer to your question. Nobody knows. They all go by the same name. Like minded, full of hatred. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1174] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 05-14-2013 05:44 PM Tyr Wrote: "Well, the ignorant punks kinda went silent. One of them went away and the others knew they were fairly and marvelously beaten! By a far better man!!"--;)-Tyr Little Acorn Wrote: "Interestingly, modern liberalism is the same way." About Time Wrote: "My impression of jafar....before {SILENCE~I KILL U} and after becoming a dummy." ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Tyr, don't get too disappointed in their silence.....some of the more ignorant ones are probably still trying to read the original post so that they can understand it....the REALLY ignorant ones couldn't read it at all because they prefer to read and comment within the level of a first grader. Little Acorn, hit the nail right on the head....liberals are very similar to muSLUMs in that they want you to accept them but THEY will never accept you/us/AMERICA. Instead, they rather force their beliefs on America with little to no regard for what IS AMERICAN. About Time said it best (and simply put so that those who have a short attention span or reading level can follow along; the left and pretenders would rather insult, discredit or even kill true conservative rather than listen, get along or respect others. And God forbid if they should have to read more than a sentence of two. The left are not only muSLUM-like but are extremely CHILD-like with straw-man rants instead of actually contributing to a thread. THEY rather try to kill it. About Time is spot on with the opening statement of this page.......THIS TREAD TRULY IS WORTH REVISITING. Now that the rift-raft (as Tyr put it) has been driven away with logic that THEY are incapable of comprehending, we (adults) can not have an adult conversation. ~RED STATE I agree my friend. Good to see you come back to post. Iran will get their nukes because obama will do nothing to stop it. China will start taking terrotory, obama will twiddle his thumbs. Muslims here will get more amd more power because obama wants that as well. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1175] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 05-14-2013 05:45 PM My stand is, we cant sacrifice our freedoms because a few assholes get their feelings hurt. Whether they be uptight p.c. assholes, or uptight islamic, western hating assholes Bravo..:beer: Short, concise and dead on accurate..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1176] Author : red states rule Date : 05-15-2013 02:48 AM http://rlv.zcache.com/islamic_terrorists_are_like_king_salmon_sticker-p217544027134809951envb3_400.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1177] Author : red state Date : 06-29-2013 09:16 PM Title : OLD POST....STILL a GREAT thread!!!! I agree my friend. Good to see you come back to post. Iran will get their nukes because obama will do nothing to stop it. China will start taking terrotory, obama will twiddle his thumbs. Muslims here will get more amd more power because obama wants that as well. -Tyr Yes and our enemies will get their way (as they said they would). THEY will defeat the good ole USofA without so much as firing a single shot (IF) we continue to allow it. THEY were also correct and called it right to the very when it was foretold that we shall fold from WITHIN. OLD POST....STILL a GREAT thread!!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1178] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 06-30-2013 02:19 PM Yes and our enemies will get their way (as they said they would). THEY will defeat the good ole USofA without so much as firing a single shot (IF) we continue to allow it. THEY were also correct and called it right to the very when it was foretold that we shall fold from WITHIN. OLD POST....STILL a GREAT thread!!!! Thanks amigo. We see more and more of the weakening of this nation every month that the bastard in charge stays there. What we need is a ten million man march to DC demanding that the GD traitor step down! MARK MY WORDS BEFORE HIS TERM ENDS ALL INTELLIGENT AMERICANS WILL DEEPLY REGRET EVER ALLOWING THAT GD SCUM TO BE ANYTHING HIGHER THAN A SMALL TOWN DOG CATCHER. There is not another human on earth that I hate more than that ffing traitor..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1179] Author : aboutime Date : 06-30-2013 02:27 PM Thanks amigo. We see more and more of the weakening of this nation every month that the bastard in charge stays there. What we need is a ten million man march to DC demanding that the GD traitor step down! MARK MY WORDS BEFORE HIS TERM ENDS ALL INTELLIGENT AMERICANS WILL DEEPLY REGRET EVER ALLOWING THAT GD SCUM TO BE ANYTHING HIGHER THAN A SMALL TOWN DOG CATCHER. There is not another human on earth that I hate more than that ffing traitor..-Tyr Tyr. I know my parents both taught me to NEVER Hate. But at this point. I find myself wondering how my parents would have felt, if they lived to see the IDIOT we now have in charge??? I am determined to never lower myself to OBAMA'S level of Hatred. But this is just too important. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1180] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 06-30-2013 02:46 PM Tyr. I know my parents both taught me to NEVER Hate. But at this point. I find myself wondering how my parents would have felt, if they lived to see the IDIOT we now have in charge??? I am determined to never lower myself to OBAMA'S level of Hatred. But this is just too important. My parents taught me to hate evil. The only thing they stated hating was the right thing to do on. Obama is evil, not a biased opinion it is a damn fact. The man votes for murdering babies born alive after an abortion was botched. The ffing scum vigorously supports abortion and murder of babies. Ask yourself why? Answer, as a muslim we are the enemy, less than human and should be aborted. Islam has always maintained that high birth rate is a weapon,= more soldiers for Allah. So naturally they encourage us to abort ours. All these people on here talking about knowing muslims and how nice they are are really themselves being quite gullible and foolish. Every true muslim is taught that all non-muslims are less than animals. So all that nicey nicey to their face when speaking with them is pure baloney. They really are just playing the game with we westerners. When they get control all those fooled people will be kicked around like a dog and made to grovel like scum. People I respect have been fooled but never me. Once I know a truth it never leaves me!Islam is evil and is our avowed enemy. Islam seeks our total destruction. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1181] Author : avatar4321 Date : 07-08-2013 09:02 PM Perhaps it's already been covered, but how do you propose to destroy Islam? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1182] Author : aboutime Date : 07-08-2013 09:23 PM Perhaps it's already been covered, but how do you propose to destroy Islam? No need for anyone to attempt destroying Islam. Seems they will always be fighting, and eventually destroy EACH OTHER first. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1183] Author : avatar4321 Date : 07-08-2013 10:46 PM No need for anyone to attempt destroying Islam. Seems they will always be fighting, and eventually destroy EACH OTHER first. 1400 years is a long time to be waiting. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1184] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 07-09-2013 12:29 AM Perhaps it's already been covered, but how do you propose to destroy Islam? First step is to stop its agenda here in USA. After that a campaign to actively oppose it worldwide by promoting truth. The TRUTH of its fallacies and its evil. The truth of its murdering all that oppose it. America must lead a charge to oppose it or else Islam will cause WW3. YET MAY DO SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO ! Giving up in despair declaring it an impossible task is not an option. Our founders faced a far greater obstacle and they won... won because God was on their side....-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1185] Author : avatar4321 Date : 07-09-2013 12:31 AM They didn't win because God was on their side. They won because they were on God's side. And i fear WW3 is inevitable without serious Divine intervention. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1186] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 07-09-2013 12:39 AM They didn't win because God was on their side. They won because they were on God's side. And i fear WW3 is inevitable without serious Divine intervention. Same thing . You can't have a hot dog without the wiener.:laugh: They were on the side of freedom and religious tolerance. They acknowledged the almighty creator. That was enough then and it will be now too. Should we choose to do so... You must remember that Islam denies Jesus's divinity. It can not stand because of that denial. When the time comes it shall fall and perish forever. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1187] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-14-2013 09:50 PM You must remember that Islam denies Jesus's divinity. It can not stand because of that denial. When the time comes it shall fall and perish forever. --Tyr http://www.redstate.com/2012/09/25/president-obama-declares-the-future-must-not-belong-to-practicing-christians/ President Obama Declares The Future Must Not Belong to Practicing Christians By: Erick Erickson (Diary) | September 25th, 2012 at 11:20 AM | 203 RESIZE: AAA In his speech to the United Nations General Assembly today the President of the United States declared that the future does not belong to practicing Christians. Already, the media and the left are in full denial, probably based on their general lack of understanding of theology. This would have been a gaffe had Mitt Romney said it. But with Barack Obama, he’s just speaking bold truths. His bold truth declares that the future does not belong to practicing Christians. Pay careful attention to what he says. The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied. Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims, and Shiite pilgrims. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: “Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit.” Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, and that is the vision we will support. Now, that’s the full paragraph so no one can claim I took him out of context. But consider this. It is an orthodox Christian belief that Mohammed is not a prophet. Actual Christians, as opposed to many of the supposed Christians put up by the mainstream media, believe that Christ is the only way to salvation. Believing that is slandering Mohammed. That’s just a fact. If you don’t believe me, you go into the MIddle East and proclaim Christ is the way, the truth, and the life and see what happens to your life. Then Barack Obama went on to say “Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied.” Note he says we cannot “slander the prophet of Islam” but it’s only the image of Christ in the next sentence — not actually Christ himself desecrated. If this is so, why does Barack Obama’s government continue funding the National Endowment for the Arts, which funded Christ in piss, the Virgin Mary painted in dung, etc.? Now, in point of fact, this is a major difference between Islam and Christianity. Christ came to this world as an enemy of the world and expected to be impugned. He also tells his followers that they should expect to be impugned. There is joy in being persecuted for following the Risen Lord. In Islam, if you impugn Mohammed, you get a fatwa on your butt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1188] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-15-2013 09:27 AM A most interesting thread ! Thanks to Tyr for it .. I've just now read it in greater detail. From my own experience in the UK, it seems perfectly obvious that Islamists have three distinct ways of operating in order to achieve a form of dominance in a Society. The first is through terrorism .. and not much needs to be said on that score. 9/11, the UK's '7/7' attack in London, the attack at the Atosha station in Spain .. and many more attacks besides, in various parts of the world. Through murder and mayhem, they hope that through acts of terrorism, the will to fight back can be sapped .. and, I'm sorry to say, this sometimes is successful. The second, pivotal, means (aided and abetted by the Left) is through social incursion. Immigrants arrive, equipped with their cultural and religious identities, they take root in specific areas, form their own communities, all of which pushes out what was in the area they occupy beforehand. Demands are made, all of which serve the requirements of the invading Islamic culture and traditions. Integration is a non-starter ... always, those communities expect OTHERS to bend to THEM. The third is through exploitation of indigenous freedoms. Demands are made to insist that concession after concession is made to them. Pressure groups form, and always citing either the race card, or the 'bigotry' card, they insist that anyone opposing them must be doing so through unacceptably antisocial means. This is particularly where the Left comes in ... Left-wingers insist that to speak out against them is evidence of racism or bigotry, and pressure groups invariably win out. Laws are passed, such as 'hatespeech' legislation, making strong criticism actionable in law. But more, the indigenous population becomes conditioned to revile anyone not conforming to these socially-conditioned imperatives. Terrorism is a very 'blunt instrument' for Muslims to use ... though also a much-favoured one, as we've all seen. Social incursion is less blunt, dealing in large measure with a form of physical invasion. Areas are occupied and, in essence, 'terraformed' to become Muslim in 'nature'. Exploitative incursion is the most insidious. Through it, social conditioning is brought to bear, aided, as I've said, by the Left. People are pressured into believing that just THINKING of forms of opposition is wrong .. bigoted, racist, intolerant generally. So, belief-systems grow which always, but ALWAYS, lead to an ongoing process of evolving deference .. to Islam and to those practising it. Folks, understand .. I am not theorising, just describing an ongoing reality in my own society !! Common throughout all of this is the sheer invasiveness of Islam. Islam, in my experience, has no interest in compromise that doesn't end up in achieving considerable advantage to ITS purposes, and more often than not compromise isn't even a factor AT ALL. No, Islam spreads and dominates .. and that's the point of Islam in a nutshell .. one of DOMINION. Now .. how is that remotely compatible with the preservation of freedoms ? Answer .. IT ISN'T, not if those 'freedoms' are freedoms to defy Islam. The conflict of Sharia with Western values is a case in point. In the UK, as a guiding legal principle, UK law should always prevail. If a Sharia directive can be arrived at and no UK law is broken, then 'fair enough' in our system ... BUT ... legally, no Sharia law 'court' can set itself up in defiance against UK law. Sounds fine, doesn't it ... BUT for the process I've described already. Our laws are the product of values reflected by the population, HOWEVER, if those values change, then we can expect our laws to reflect that. Hatespeech legislation is a case in point. So .. if our values bend over time, if in the name of 'tolerance' we find we 'want' to accept other values and defer to them (led by the nose into this by Lefties ..) .. then the law, in the fullness of time, can undergo a form of erosion, where other laws supersede them. As a consequence of ALL this, it's evident that we've been seen in the UK to be fair game for incursion. We get remarkably little incidence of terrorism here, I think because the 'sneakier' methods work here so very well !! So, goodbye churches, and hello, monolithic Mosque structures. And be careful what you say !!!! But, America has an advantage we fail to have. You have a Constitution which can act as a barrier to certain incursions, it seems to me. So, the question for me is, just how bulletproof does this make America by comparison ? I've heard that Obama is known for acting unconstitutionally when it suits him to .. surely a dangerous precedent. Should your society allow it ? Does Obama cite reasonings to justify himself, reasonings which persuade others to adopt societal values which can 'catch on' and seem reasonable ? Folks, I'm somewhat out of my depth in trying to judge this either way, but what I'm saying is, IF this is happening, the dangers inherent in that process are grave. So, surely, Americans must be prepared to fight if needs be, for what is theirs by right .. by birthright. Tyr's spirit is commendable, but perhaps more importantly, is INSIGHTFUL ... because you ARE in a war against those utterly determined to overthrow your values. They'll use whatever methodology works, be it the gun or bomb, acts of savagery, or of deployed propaganda crafted to fight your very thought processes and change them to THEIR preferences. Therein, if they succeed, lies the road to the death of freedom. DO YOU WANT THAT ? YES OR NO ? Because if 'no', then my suggestion is that you take the utmost notice of what Tyr had to tell you. And .. if that isn't enough for you, then cast your eyes and ears eastwards, to learn what's happening on my side of the Pond. To see what COULD happen .. if you allow it to. Now a bit over a year later we see so much more evidence in Obama's agenda to validate just how accurate and insightful the above quoted post is. A post made from one outside looking in. A conservative Brit that values truth ,honor and freedom the way WE Americans used to. Yes , my post started this thread ,my stand was taken and I gave an accurate account of how Islam is waging a war on this nation but Drummond's posts shows that of being outside and looking in. Now a year after his post we see so much more that validates just how insightful and accurate that post was! For now we see muslims here demanding blasphemy laws be passed. Trust me on this , they likely will be passed eventually but it'll only list Islam as the very special and protected entity. With that in mind I'll end this reply with a previous reply I made a while back and it's dead on the mark! ALL WOULD BE WISE TO HEED THESE WORDS IMHO. Certainly not because they come from me but rather because they are the truth of a very real and extreme danger.. My parents taught me to hate evil. The only thing they stated hating was the right thing to do on. Obama is evil, not a biased opinion it is a damn fact. The man votes for murdering babies born alive after an abortion was botched. The ffing scum vigorously supports abortion and murder of babies. Ask yourself why? Answer, as a muslim we are the enemy, less than human and should be aborted. Islam has always maintained that high birth rate is a weapon,= more soldiers for Allah. So naturally they encourage us to abort ours. All these people on here talking about knowing muslims and how nice they are , are really themselves being quite gullible and foolish. Every true muslim is taught that all non-muslims are less than animals. So all that nicey nicey to their face when speaking with them is pure baloney. They really are just playing the game with we Westerners. When they get control all those fooled people will be kicked around like a dog and made to grovel like scum. People I respect have been fooled but never me. Once I know a truth it never leaves me! Islam is evil and is our avowed enemy. Islam seeks our total destruction. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1189] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-15-2013 10:39 AM By the way while I am at it why doesn't any of you pro-Islam diehard supporters ever criticize Islam for it's abortion stand. There is absolutely no abortion allowed in Islam! In fact , should any try it they'd be sentenced for murder outright in all muslim controlled nations! So why the silence on this and also the lack of criticism of their legal punishment of hanging gays just for being gay! Why the deafening silence on that one too! When Islam's mistreatment of women is not criticized as it should be! When nobody attempts an answer to these three questions I'll know my point just blasted home about the hypocrisy of the left, the liberals, the American women's rights advocates and the pro-abortion crowd just hit its mark.... --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1190] Author : Arbo Date : 11-15-2013 11:20 AM There is absolutely no abortion allowed in Islam! So on that subject you stand with Islam as well? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1191] Author : aboutime Date : 11-15-2013 06:18 PM Now a bit over a year later we see so much more evidence in Obama's agenda to validate just how accurate and insightful the above quoted post is. A post made from one outside looking in. A conservative Brit that values truth ,honor and freedom the way WE Americans used to. Yes , my post started this thread ,my stand was taken and I gave an accurate account of how Islam is waging a war on this nation but Drummond's posts shows that of being outside and looking in. Now a year after his post we see so much more that validates just how insightful and accurate that post was! For now we see muslims here demanding blasphemy laws be passed. Trust me on this , they likely will be passed eventually but it'll only list Islam as the very special and protected entity. With that in mind I'll end this reply with a previous reply I made a while back and it's dead on the mark! ALL WOULD BE WISE TO HEED THESE WORDS IMHO. Certainly not because they come from me but rather because they are the truth of a very real and extreme danger.. Tyr. Absolutely. Almost scary to compare all of that with what Obama, and the Democrat party have been working so diligently to bring about, here in this nation. One step at a time, as we have all been seeing. Obama's Destroy Switch is far more Reaching than many are willing to accept, or believe. Remember this?...... First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1192] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-16-2013 05:46 PM Tyr. Absolutely. Almost scary to compare all of that with what Obama, and the Democrat party have been working so diligently to bring about, here in this nation. One step at a time, as we have all been seeing. Obama's Destroy Switch is far more Reaching than many are willing to accept, or believe. Remember this?...... First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. Quite likely there will be a day not too far in the future when they come for the true patriots of this nation. I'd rather die with my feet firmly planted and my rifle barrel hot than not.;) Then again I think some ways of dying are far better than others. They call me a dinosaur but I ain't dead yet and that worries the cowardly scum methinks. If it didn't the bastards would not be so hard driven to try to take our guns before they make that move! The war has already begun most Americans just don't know it yet. The first battle is about the patriots keeping their guns. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1193] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-21-2013 02:43 AM Quite likely there will be a day not too far in the future when they come for the true patriots of this nation. I'd rather die with my feet firmly planted and my rifle barrel hot than not.;) Then again I think some ways of dying are far better than others. They call me a dinosaur but I ain't dead yet and that worries the cowardly scum methinks. If it didn't the bastards would not be so hard driven to try to take our guns before they make that move! The war has already begun most Americans just don't know it yet. The first battle is about the patriots keeping their guns. --Tyr HAHA, JUST TALKED WITH MY BROTHER TONIGHT ABOUT THIS GUN TAKING CRAP BAMTRAITOR IS RUNNING NOW. My brother reminded me that taking away our freedom of speech rights would be a greater boon for the traitorous weasels. Then he offered maybe they will get into a great fight over which one to do first and have a great split. I shot back with, hell they are working on both as fast as they can now. Obama probably stole a billion dollars to award to which side wins by succeeding first. Three basic things they seek to take away and together they represent the whole ball of wax here. 1. FREEDOM OF RELIGION 2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH 3. 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. ALL THREE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BUT NUMBER 3 GUARANTEES NUMBERS 1 AND 2... Americans had best understand that. They will not take away one and two until after they take away number 3!!! -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1194] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-05-2013 08:39 AM http://janmorganmedia.com/2012/09/the-muslim-brotherhood-plan-for-destruction-of-america-from-within/ The Muslim Brotherhood Plan for Destruction of America From Within Read more at http://janmorganmedia.com/2012/09/the-muslim-brotherhood-plan-for-destruction-of-america-from-within/#4ly2vUK8DgPIowHV.99 A recent article in Frontpagemag, “Muslims Have More DNC Delegates than Montana, Utah and Oklahoma Put Together” listed some very interesting stats: Read more at http://janmorganmedia.com/2012/09/the-muslim-brotherhood-plan-for-destruction-of-america-from-within/#4ly2vUK8DgPIowHV.99 The statement that there are 100 Muslim delegates comes from CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) and can be found in an article that was published by the Washington Post on September 5, 2012, The number of Muslim delegates attending the Democratic National Convention has quadrupled since 2004, according to a Muslim advocacy group. The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations counts more than 100 Muslim delegates representing some 20 states at the Democratic convention in Charlotte, N.C., this week. That’s up from 25 delegates in 2004, according to CAIR. The Washington Post article continued with a quote from Robert McCaw, CAIR government affairs coordinator Robert McCaw said the numbers were “a sign of the American Muslim community’s growing civic engagement and acceptance in the Democratic Party.” He also said that Democrats had targeted outreach to American Muslims. The statement, “the numbers were a sign of the American Muslim community’s growing civic engagement and acceptance” reminded me of one specific part of the Muslim Brotherhood plan known as “The Project” and I decided that it was time to revisit it given the upcoming elections and world events. The document, known in counterterrorism circles as “The Project“, was recovered in a raid by Swiss authorities in November 2001, just two months after 9/11. The 14-page plan written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982, outlines a 12-point strategy to “establish an Islamic government on earth” – identified as The Project. The following points are among the many recommendations made in “The Project”, Networking and coordinating actions between likeminded Islamist organizations; Avoiding open alliances with known terrorist organizations and individuals to maintain the appearance of “moderation”; Infiltrating and taking over existing Muslim organizations to realign them towards the Muslim Brotherhood’s collective goals; Using deception to mask the intended goals of Islamist actions, as long as it doesn’t conflict with shari’a law; Avoiding social conflicts with Westerners locally, nationally or globally, that might damage the long-term ability to expand the Islamist powerbase in the West or provoke a lash back against Muslims; Establishing financial networks to fund the work of conversion of the West, including the support of full-time administrators and workers; Conducting surveillance, obtaining data, and establishing collection and data storage capabilities; Putting into place a watchdog system for monitoring Western media to warn Muslims of “international plots fomented against them”; Cultivating an Islamist intellectual community, including the establishment of think-tanks and advocacy groups, and publishing “academic” studies, to legitimize Islamist positions and to chronicle the history of Islamist movements; Developing a comprehensive 100-year plan to advance Islamist ideology throughout the world; Balancing international objectives with local flexibility; Building extensive social networks of schools, hospitals and charitable organizations dedicated to Islamist ideals so that contact with the movement for Muslims in the West is constant Read more at http://janmorganmedia.com/2012/09/the-muslim-brotherhood-plan-for-destruction-of-america-from-within/#4ly2vUK8DgPIowHV.99 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1195] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-05-2013 09:33 PM http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/09/cair-impeded-fbi-probe-of-somali-terrorist-group-in-kenya-attack/ CAIR Impeded FBI Probe of Somali Terrorist Group in Kenya Attack The Al Qaeda affiliate that terrorized a Kenyan shopping center and murdered scores of innocent people has a powerful and influential advocate in the United States, the Muslim “civil rights” group known as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). It’s unlikely that the mainstream media will mention the connection, but it’s deep and it involves interfering in federal probes involving the radicalization of young Somali men in the U.S., like the ones carrying out the attack at the Westgate Shopping Mall in Northern Nairobi. CAIR has also wielded its power to silence critics of the Al Qaeda offshoot—Somalia’s Al Shabaab—that stormed into the mall, murdered at least 68 and took dozens of hostages. Several of the jihadists involved in the attack are Somalis from Minnesota, according to a mainstream news report. They include 22-year-old Ahmed Mohamed Isse of St. Paul and 24-year-old Abdifatah Osman Keenadiid of Minneapolis. In the last few years the FBI and Congress have launched probes into the radicalization of the Somali American community in Minnesota. Al Shabaab recruits young men in local mosques and ships them off to train and fight in Somalia. CAIR, an Islamic terrorist front group that reportedly raises money for Hamas, has interfered with the U.S. government’s investigation into this operation. A few years ago it actually hampered an FBI probe into the disappearance of dozens of Twin Cities Somali men. Many in the local Somali community denounced CAIR’s actions, saying that the group was actually discouraging them from cooperating with the FBI.During the Obama administration we’ve seen CAIR gain tremendous power and influence, which is incredibly alarming considering the group has extensive links to foreign and domestic Islamists. It was founded in 1994 by three Middle Eastern extremists (Omar Ahmad, Nihad Awad and Rafeeq Jaber) who ran the American propaganda wing of Hamas, known then as the Islamic Association for Palestine. In 2008 CAIR was a co-conspirator in a federal terror-finance case involving the Hamas front group Holy Land Foundation. Read more in a Judicial Watch special report that focuses on Muslim charities. Yet last year President Obama’s deputies held hundreds of closed-door meetings with CAIR officials. Little information was discussed publicly about the secret sessions, but the news organization that broke the story quoted a White House director saying that government departments and agencies discussed a “range of issues.” Around the same time, the FBI purged its anti-terrorism training curricula of material determined to be “offensive” to Muslims. Judicial Watch uncovered this scandal and obtained the FBI records just a few weeks ago. CAIR is not specifically named but the records show that an undisclosed group of “Subject Matter Experts” (SME) determined the federal training material was offensive to Muslims. Just last month, several police departments in Illinois cancelled their anti-terrorism training because CAIR complained that the instructor was blatantly anti-Muslim. Yes, Obama helps CAIR IN ITS ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1196] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-06-2013 08:21 AM By the way while I am at it why doesn't any of you pro-Islam diehard supporters ever criticize Islam for it's abortion stand. There is absolutely no abortion allowed in Islam! In fact , should any try it they'd be sentenced for murder outright in all muslim controlled nations! So why the silence on this and also the lack of criticism of their legal punishment of hanging gays just for being gay! Why the deafening silence on that one too! When Islam's mistreatment of women is not criticized as it should be! When nobody attempts an answer to these three questions I'll know my point just blasted home about the hypocrisy of the left, the liberals, the American women's rights advocates and the pro-abortion crowd just hit its mark.... --Tyr Nobody dared to defend those.. Surely because doing so is impossible and would also reveal their true political leanings I suspect. :laugh:--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1197] Author : Arbo Date : 12-06-2013 09:24 AM If nobody replies, I will later quote myself and declare victory! Nobody responded so I declare victory!! Some people are so funny. Not in a good way. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1198] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-08-2013 08:22 PM http://news.yahoo.com/three-members-39-muslim-patrol-39-jailed-london-135449374.html Three members of 'Muslim patrol' jailed in London London (AFP) - Three members of a self-styled "Muslim patrol" in London who harassed passers-by for wearing short skirts, holding hands and drinking alcohol have been jailed, in a conviction welcomed by the local mosque on Saturday. The men were jailed for up to 16 months on Friday after admitting a variety of public order and assault charges during 'patrols' in December 2012 and January 2013. One of the incidents was filmed by the gang and posted on YouTube, causing widespread public outrage and raising tensions in an area already targeted by far-right groups because of its large Muslim population. "These men routinely threatened and intimidated innocent members of the public whom they perceived to be behaving in an 'un-Islamic' manner," said prosecutor Baljit Ubhey. "They would roam the streets, seeking out victims whom they could target, and chanting threats to 'kill the non-believers'. "On the nights in question they confronted and aggressively intimidated a couple who were holding hands in the street, a group of friends who were drinking alcohol, and a girl whom they deemed to be dressed provocatively." .. View gallery Some of the patrols took place near the East London … Some of the patrols took place near the East London Mosque in Whitechapel, which has welcomed the co … Some of the patrols took place near the East London Mosque in Whitechapel, which hosts 7,000 worshippers on a typical Friday and has strongly condemned the harassment. The mosque says Muslims in the area have been attacked and it has received hate mail as a result of the patrols. Executive director Dilowar Khan welcomed Friday's convictions, saying bullying was un-Islamic and the men's actions were "pathetic". "We hope these three men will take time during their incarceration to reflect upon the hurt and damage they have caused not only to their victims, but to the entire British Muslim community," he said. Jordan Horner was jailed for 68 weeks after pleading guilty to actual bodily harm, threatening behaviour and public order offences, according to the Crown Prosecution Service. Ricardo Macfarlane received 12 months after admitting affray, while a third man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was sentenced to 24 weeks for public order offences. A spokesman for the mosque told AFP the convicted men were not local to the area and were followers of Islamist preacher Anjem Choudary, a leader of the radical Al-Muhajiroun group. Mere window dressing folks. They are now gaining so much control so fast that this open confrontation may start a backlash and unification of their opposition. Apparently Choudary has ignored their instructions to cease and desist . So we get this for consumption of the gullible citizens to ease their fears. I do not think for a minute the Muslims there are against this but it makes for a better strategic advancement to appear to be adamantly against it for now. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1199] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-09-2013 07:36 PM More vindication of the absolute correctness of my opening post of this thread.--Tyr http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2013/12/08/pearsons-world-history-text-book-continues-to-push-biased-imbalanced-view-of-islam-on-students/ Pearson’s World History text book continues to push biased, imbalanced view of Islam on students Posted on December 8, 2013 by creeping Islamic history is banned from FBI training however. via Florida Family Association. Pearson plc also owns a top advertiser on Al Jazeera America. Pearson’s World History text book continues to push biased, imbalanced view of Islam on students. Pearson plc also owns a top advertiser on Al Jazeera America. Click here to send your email that urges Pearson officials to cease future publishing of the objectionable content and recall the book. The same company that published a high school text book which embellishes Islamists and belittles Judaism and Christianity also has ownership in The Economist, a leading advertiser on Al Jazeera America. The World History text book came under fire in July 2013 in Brevard County, Florida. The Washington Times reports in part: “The book has a 36-page chapter on Islam but no chapters on Christianity or Judaism,” said Florida State Representative Rep. Ritch Workman, in Townhall, about the Prentice World History textbook. “It’s remarkably one-sided. Mr. Workman said the textbook, which has been on the Brevard County schools’ approved course list for three years, also rewrites the history of Islam. He looked through it and found the authors “make a very obvious attempt not to insult Islam by reshaping history,” Townhall reported. “If you don’t see it from the eyes of a parent, kids are going to take this book as gospel and believe that Christians and Jews were murderous barbarians and thank God the Muslims came along and the world is great,” he said, as Townhall reported. Here’s an example: Muhammad and his armies’ take-over of Medina states depicted “people happily accept[ing of] Islam as their way of life. It leaves out that tens of thousands of Jews and non-believers were massacred by [Muhammad’s] armies. It’s a blatant deception.” At the same time, the book depicts Jesus as claiming to be the Messiah — but writes as fact that Muhammad was the prophet, Mr. Workman said in the Townhall article. Students in the class are also taught about the Koran and pillars of Islam. “They don’t do that for Christianity,” he said, as Townhall reported. “That is offensive to me.” “Some of the descriptions of the battles use the word ‘massacre’ when it’s a Christian battle and ‘takeover’ when it’s a Muslim battle,” said Amy Kneessy to Fox News. “In young minds, massacre paints a very different visual picture than a takeover or occupation — when in fact both battles were very bloody.” The publisher, Pearson, denied any bias. But Mr. Workman said he was told by a spokesperson for the publisher that a Muslim cleric was hired to write the sections on Islam. Not just lopsided propaganda but deliberate and very provable lying incorporated into the book and called facts. Folks this coming into our school systems was part of what I warned about with my opening post of this long thread. And now in such a short time we keep seeing more and more of appeasement mentality that is just a part of the dearth by a thousand cuts the Muslims love to employ! WHERE ARE THE NUMEROUS CRITICS I HAD BACK WHEN I STARTED THIS THREAD WELL OVER A YEAR AGO?--TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1200] Author : red states rule Date : 12-11-2013 04:08 AM http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/72Virgins.jpg -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1201] Author : Jeff Date : 12-11-2013 08:08 AM Nobody responded so I declare victory!! Some people are so funny. Not in a good way. :lol::trolls::lol: If ya ignore them enough they will leave :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1202] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-11-2013 09:48 AM Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post By the way while I am at it why doesn't any of you pro-Islam diehard supporters ever criticize Islam for it's abortion stand. There is absolutely no abortion allowed in Islam! In fact , should any try it they'd be sentenced for murder outright in all muslim controlled nations! So why the silence on this and also the lack of criticism of their legal punishment of hanging gays just for being gay! Why the deafening silence on that one too! When Islam's mistreatment of women is not criticized as it should be! When nobody attempts an answer to these three questions I'll know my point just blasted home about the hypocrisy of the left, the liberals, the American women's rights advocates and the pro-abortion crowd just hit its mark.... --Tyr Nobody dared to defend those.. Surely because doing so is impossible and would also reveal their true political leanings I suspect. :laugh:--Tyr Still nobody dares to defend those.. My, my, where did all that earlier defending of the indefensible melt away to?:laugh:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1203] Author : aboutime Date : 12-11-2013 03:13 PM http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/72Virgins.jpg red states rule. More Miss-information for the Liberally, mentally challenged. It's not 72 virgins, but only ONE 72 year old MALE virgin. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1204] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-23-2013 11:04 AM This is what they will soon be doing here. Same Koran, Same Allah , same Muhammad is taught here folks. They are taught here to obey the religious leaders(Imams) commands. We even have muslim military compounds actively and openly practicing attacks upon its opposition here! Our government turns a blind eye to it folks! Here is just one of their ways of dealing with those they deem to be worthy of death= gays. http://halalporkshop.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/a-person-maybe-burnt-alivepushed-from.html LOOK UNDER THE BURKA OF ISLAM FREE SPEECH ZONE Thursday, December 19, 2013 "A PERSON MAYBE BURNT ALIVE,PUSHED FROM HIGH WALL OR BEATEN PUBLICALY WITH STONES"MUFTI ISSUES FATWA AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY AND LIVE IN RELATIONSHIPS(INDIA) A Bareilly-based cleric has issued a fatwa against homosexuality and live-in relationships calling them anti-Islam and said Shariyat has provisions to punish those indulging in such acts. The fatwa was issued by Mohammad Afzaal Rizwi, the mufti of Darululoom Ifta at Dargah Aala Hazrat, Bareilly in response to a query byAkhlaq Ahmed Siddiqui Noori on the issue. The mufti has cited two hadis (teachings of the Prophet Mohammed) from the Quran as a premise for his fatwa. As per Hadis Dur-re-mukhtar, such acts could attract severe punishment, he said. "A person may be burntalive, pushed from a high wall or be beaten publically with stones if he indulges into either of the two behaviours," the fatwa states. The other hadis is a story that explains why Islam is against homosexuality. The story relates to a tribe, kaum-e-looth, which existed in the pre-Islamic era. The tribe is said to have perished because it indulged in homosexuality. Regarding live-in relationships, the fatwa says a couple staying together or having sexual relationship without solemnising marriage is banned under Islam. The woman in a live-in relationship cannot ask for the rights of a wife. Many clerics have backed the fatwa. Maulana Tasleem Raza Khan of Ahle Sunnat Movement said the two relationships do not have legal validity under Islam. He said no religion would allow this and advised Muslims to boycott the law that promotes such behaviour. Shia cleric Maulana Yadoob Abbas said both live-in relationships and homosexuality are against nature. "Going against nature would spell doom," he said. Maulana Khalid Rasheed Firangi Mahli of Eidgah Lucknow termed it "against Indian tradition". SOURCE http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Bareilly-cleric-issues-fatwa-against-homosexuality-live-in-relationships/articleshow/27666252.cms Do not think for a damn minute that obeying our laws will stop them once they get enough power and population to start the murdering and bombing. No laws in history has ever stopped them, they only obey Allah. A concept too damn many Americans can not grasp nor understand how infinitely fanatical they are about it. Fanatical enough to murder every man, woman and infidel child in this nation that does not submit!! If any of you non-Muslims think you are immune you are delusional. They make no exceptions ONCE ORDERED TO MURDER. Everybody too busy to research and find out about this dire threat will likely one day(too damn late) find out at the last minute just how foolish they were. Just as history's 250 million + murdered victims found out!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1205] Author : Jeff Date : 12-26-2013 08:15 AM Title : Egypt Does What Washington Won’t: Declares Muslim Brotherhood a Terrorist Group Read Some would think Obama just isn't smart enough to do so but for those of us that can think, we now there is no way he would label what he loves !!! On Wednesday, Egypt’s military-backed interim government declared the Muslim Brotherhood to be a terrorist group. This declaration criminalizes the Muslim Brotherhood’s activities, financing and membership, including the countries former president Mohamed Morsi. http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/12/egypt-washington-wont-declares-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-group/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1206] Author : Jeff Date : 12-27-2013 06:58 AM Title : Un condemns attack on iranian dissident group For those that want to say I posted this yesterday I did, but this is a different story and I do apologize for the 2 threads, but as I went to post it this morning I seen that this is the thread it belongs in. Yes the media for some reason doesn't think this should be front page news :eek: But we all have a brain and can see what these people are made of, this is just another example of how once in power these parasites are anything but the religion of peace !! BAGHDAD (AP) -- The United Nations on Friday condemned a rocket attack on a camp housing an Iranian exile group near Baghdad, calling on Iraqi government to protect the camp and investigate the incident. On Thursday night, barrage of rockets were fired on Camp Liberty, home to members of the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq, the militant wing of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, a Paris-based group opposed to Iran's cleric-led government. The group said three residents were killed and more than 50 wounded. Iraqi officials said the only casualties were two people wounded. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAQ?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-12-25-13-04-24 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1207] Author : Jeff Date : 01-03-2014 08:16 AM Title : RELIGION OF PEACE: Watch as Muslim Teacher Beats Children I wonder what the paper that it appears they are grading is all about , teaching the children how they are the religion of peace ?? They ask what would ya do if this was your child, I think most would agree the kids would learn that it isn't all about peace to say the least . The fine art of teaching, Islam style. What would you do if this was your child’s teacher? http://clashdaily.com/2014/01/religion-peace-watch-muslim-teacher-beats-children/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1208] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-03-2014 08:29 AM I wonder what the paper that it appears they are grading is all about , teaching the children how they are the religion of peace ?? They ask what would ya do if this was your child, I think most would agree the kids would learn that it isn't all about peace to say the least . http://clashdaily.com/2014/01/religion-peace-watch-muslim-teacher-beats-children/ Nothing but pure child abuse. Show me that man within my striking distance and I would break his sorry ass from that and anybody that tries to defend the ffing scum. That so typifies Islam- savagery, barbarity and violence. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1209] Author : Jeff Date : 01-05-2014 08:09 AM Title : Honor Killing In Michigan: Iranian Sanaz Nezami Savagely Beaten By Islamic Husband – Yes another example of the religion of peace :rolleyes: Sanaz Nezami was a beautiful, intelligent young woman with a bright future ahead of her. She was 27-years-old and newly married to Nima Nassiri, (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/01/02/woman-tragic-death-witnessed-by-family-on-laptop/?intcmp=latestnews) an Islamic man from Los Angeles. This tragic story broke on January 1st. The AP whitewashed the story. USA Today’s story read “Woman’s Tragic Death Leads Nurses To Bond With Her Family Overseas (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/01/iranian-woman-dies-nurses-bond-yahoo-messenger/4281749/).” The title is correct, but the truth about what happened to the brilliant young woman, who could speak three languages, is much darker. She died at the hands of her Islamic husband, in what was most obviously an honor killing (http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/michigan-muslim-fatally-beats-new-bride/). Why does the media ignore the atrocities of Islam? How many more women like Sanaz Nezami (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/01/02/woman-tragic-death-witnessed-by-family-on-laptop/?intcmp=latestnews)will have to die at the hands of their husbands, or other relatives, before society recognizes the truth? Sadly, too many have died. American society is hopelessly brainwashed by the progressive media and the Obama Administration into believing Islam is a religion of peace; a religion misunderstood and hijacked by radicals (http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/03/the-allen-west-congressional-letter-of-pandering-cowardice-to-islam/). By the time people wake up, it will be too late. http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/honor-killing-in-michigan-iranian-sanaz-nezami-savagely-beaten-by-islamic-husband-family-watches-death-online/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1210] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-05-2014 03:13 PM Yes another example of the religion of peace :rolleyes: http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/honor-killing-in-michigan-iranian-sanaz-nezami-savagely-beaten-by-islamic-husband-family-watches-death-online/ Remember the muslim guy here that cut his wife heads completely off in an honor killing? Yet we still have fools declare that happens over there not here! Honor killings here are often not even declared honor killings by the government media. It takes true journalists investigating and reporting to get that information out. There is an organized cover up by our media on this subject. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1211] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-05-2014 03:18 PM http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/honor-killing-islams-gruesome-gallery.html tuesday, march 31, 2009 honor killings grow in the west: Islam's gruesome gallery the horror of these young girls -- terror-stricken victims, who live in homemade concentration camps -- is given the imprimatur of the west in its complicit silence. The media goes to extraordinary lengths to whitewash these crimes and disconnect the motive for these murders. The west looks away as more and more girls fall victim to the sharia in the west. The "feminists" look away and pretend that it is outside the realm of women's rights. They are shills for islam. Shame on all of you for failing our women, our children, our girls, our very way of life. How dare they throw away our superior culture with both hands. May jessica mokdad: (below left) islamic honor killing in michigan may 4, 2011 click the link for the pictures and details of the girls murdered!! -tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1212] Author : Jeff Date : 01-07-2014 08:17 AM Title : THE RELIGION OF SICKNESS: Watch As Muslim Kids Play ‘Suicide Bomber’ Yes the religion of peace where the kids grow up playing fun games such as make believe suicide bomber :rolleyes: I know many will say this was made up and honestly I hope it is , because this is just plain disgusting if for real. Unfortunately after all the reading I have seen on this religion of peace it just doesn't surprise me . Children Playing Suicide Bomber Game.. http://clashdaily.com/2014/01/religion-sickness-watch-muslim-kids-play-suicide-bomber/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1213] Author : Jeff Date : 01-07-2014 08:21 AM Title : Just Say It: Muslims Worship a Pedophile This is sad to say the least , it amazes me all the people that do follow this pedophile with all the proof showing just what he is. It is beyond the realm of all reason and logic that over one billion people worship at the feet of not only a sadistic warmonger and misogynist–but also a brazen pedophile.Of course the people I’m referring to are Muslims–and the pedophile is their prophet, Mohammed. http://clashdaily.com/2014/01/just-say-muslims-worship-pedophile/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1214] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-07-2014 08:51 AM this is sad to say the least , it amazes me all the people that do follow this pedophile with all the proof showing just what he is. http://clashdaily.com/2014/01/just-say-muslims-worship-pedophile/ amen! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1215] Author : aboutime Date : 01-07-2014 02:11 PM And, allow me to introduce all of you to America's version....5848click to enlarge... IF YOU DARE. (Barf Bag Optional) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1216] Author : Jeff Date : 01-17-2014 07:34 AM Title : Hamas Trains 13,000 Teens to Emulate ‘Suicide Martyrs’ This is a article that surely will make you take a stance, Yes Hamas train 13,000 kids to kill others while killing themselves as well, and to think there are actually those that support these Sick S.O.B.'s , so we now have 13,000 more terrorist ( yes if they are willing to kill themselves while killing others they are terrorist ) This is the kind of behavior you expect from savages not from the religion of peace !! How sick are these people that they’ll train their kids to murder others by killing themselves.Check it out: Hamas has historically engaged in concerted efforts to brainwash its youth to wage violent jihad. Roughly 13,000 high school students participated in a week-long training camp geared to enable the teenagers “to follow in the footsteps of the suicide martyrs.” OK this next statement tells me it is time to kill them all and let Allah sort them out, after all if this is the New generation that has no fear then they must be exterminated for the good of all ! While addressing the graduation ceremony, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh warned Israel that “this is a generation which knows no fear. It is the generation of the missile, the tunnel, and the suicide operations.” Hamas’ interior minister said that the training was in preparation for the next war with Israel. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/01/15/Hamas-Trains-13000-Teens-to-Emulate-Suicide-Martyrs -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1217] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-17-2014 08:17 AM This is a article that surely will make you take a stance, Yes Hamas train 13,000 kids to kill others while killing themselves as well, and to think there are actually those that support these Sick S.O.B.'s , so we now have 13,000 more terrorist ( yes if they are willing to kill themselves while killing others they are terrorist ) This is the kind of behavior you expect from savages not from the religion of peace !! OK this next statement tells me it is time to kill them all and let Allah sort them out, after all if this is the New generation that has no fear then they must be exterminated for the good of all ! http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/01/15/Hamas-Trains-13000-Teens-to-Emulate-Suicide-Martyrs Careful Jeff or else you will get a few resident Muslim apologists here HARD ON YOUR CASE for presenting such truth. That or else they will completely ignore you in an attempt to not further discussion that will reveal more truth on the scum they defend. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1218] Author : Jeff Date : 01-17-2014 08:37 AM Those you speak of I predict will try and educate me :laugh: ( or at least in a fashion to try and make themselves look smart ) when in fact anyone that can read will see all they are actually doing is blowing smoke screens , telling tall tales, following Obama's examples or (truth be told) just out and out lying ! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1219] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-17-2014 09:20 AM Those you speak of I predict will try and educate me :laugh: ( or at least in a fashion to try and make themselves look smart ) when in fact anyone that can read will see all they are actually doing is blowing smoke screens , telling tall tales, following Obama's examples or (truth be told) just out and out lying ! Quite true. TRUTH stands the test of time. I started this thread 9-12-2012 and back then got fierce opposition . Now majority of that has gone the way of the dodo bird. Two years and 3 months later the state of this nation, the rapid fall of Britain/France to the muslims just further validate my stand. By far the greatest threat facing both those nations is their own muslim population. How any sane people can expect to invite in deadly snake to live in their house and still expect to live in peace and security is well beyond me to understand! They took a hardcore murdering religion that has zero respect for them and thier way of life, invite them in and let them work their magic! Now wake up to find their invited guests seek to destroy them---duh! Why did they think the scum came there in the first place? My point is the same thing is going on here in USA. THE PACE HAS BEEN EVER SO RAPIDLY ADVANCED BY OBAMA! ARE WE TO ALLOW DUMBASS ,GULLIBLE PEOPLE TO ENGINEER OUR DESTRUCTION!???? WE ALLOW THE MUSLIM PROPAGANDA MACHINE (CAIR) FULL PLAY HERE NOW. Our government and courts are full of sell outs. America is no more exempt from the ravages of the muslim scum than are China and Russia. Just look at the recent muslim attacks there which were almost unheard of when this thread was started 27 months ago--that's how rapid they are now moving because their man is now our PRESIDENT!! IRAN WILL GET ITS NUKES --OBAMA SAYS SO.. HIS NEW DEAL WITH IRAN IS TO BUY THEM TIME TO GET THIER NUKES BEFORE ISRAEL IGNORES HIS SORRY TRAITOROUS ASS AND STRIKES THEM ANYWAY. That means they must have them ready to go before he leaves office and thats why he has this new deal with Iran. A deal he negotiated leaving the Israelis completely out of it when its their nation threatened with the Iranian nukes first and foremost. I hope Israel tells that worm to go to hell and strikes IRAN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. OBAMA SHOULD BE IN PRISON RIGHT NOW FOR HIS DAMN TREASON. IF HE HAS NOT COMMITTED TREASON THEN SUCH A THING DOESNT EXIST!-TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1220] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 02-24-2014 10:28 PM Quite true. TRUTH stands the test of time. I started this thread 9-12-2012 and back then got fierce opposition . Now majority of that has gone the way of the dodo bird. Two years and 3 months later the state of this nation, the rapid fall of Britain/France to the muslims just further validate my stand. By far the greatest threat facing both those nations is their own muslim population. How any sane people can expect to invite in deadly snake to live in their house and still expect to live in peace and security is well beyond me to understand! They took a hardcore murdering religion that has zero respect for them and thier way of life, invite them in and let them work their magic! Now wake up to find their invited guests seek to destroy them---duh! Why did they think the scum came there in the first place? My point is the same thing is going on here in USA. THE PACE HAS BEEN EVER SO RAPIDLY ADVANCED BY OBAMA! ARE WE TO ALLOW DUMBASS ,GULLIBLE PEOPLE TO ENGINEER OUR DESTRUCTION!???? WE ALLOW THE MUSLIM PROPAGANDA MACHINE (CAIR) FULL PLAY HERE NOW. Our government and courts are full of sell outs. America is no more exempt from the ravages of the muslim scum than are China and Russia. Just look at the recent muslim attacks there which were almost unheard of when this thread was started 27 months ago--that's how rapid they are now moving because their man is now our PRESIDENT!! IRAN WILL GET ITS NUKES --OBAMA SAYS SO.. HIS NEW DEAL WITH IRAN IS TO BUY THEM TIME TO GET THIER NUKES BEFORE ISRAEL IGNORES HIS SORRY TRAITOROUS ASS AND STRIKES THEM ANYWAY. That means they must have them ready to go before he leaves office and thats why he has this new deal with Iran. A deal he negotiated leaving the Israelis completely out of it when its their nation threatened with the Iranian nukes first and foremost. I hope Israel tells that worm to go to hell and strikes IRAN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. OBAMA SHOULD BE IN PRISON RIGHT NOW FOR HIS DAMN TREASON. IF HE HAS NOT COMMITTED TREASON THEN SUCH A THING DOESNT EXIST!-TYR This is more validation of my stand taken. The great muslim ally Obama now running our military works his magic. -Tyr http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...fdP_story.html Repeating a mistake by downsizing the Army again By Robert H. Scales, Published: January 5, 2012 Robert H. Scales, a retired Army major general, is a former commandant of the U.S. Army War College. Here we go again. President Obama made the same mistake Thursday in announcing his new military strategy that virtually all of his predecessors have made since the end of World War II. He said: “Moreover, we have to remember the lessons of history. We cannot afford to repeat the mistakes of the past — after World War II, after Vietnam — when our military was left ill-prepared for the future. As commander in chief, I will not let that happen again. Not on my watch.” Unfortunately, Obama’s plan does exactly that. It forgets the lessons of history. Some facts: Harry Truman seeking to never repeat the costs of World War II reduced the Army from 8 million soldiers to fewer than half a million. Without the intervention of Congress, he would have eliminated the Marine Corps entirely. The result was the evisceration of both land services in Korea, a war Truman never intended to fight. With Dwight Eisenhower came the “New Look” strategy that sought to reduce the Army and Marine Corps again to allow the creation of a nuclear delivery force built around the Strategic Air Command. Along came Vietnam, a war that Eisenhower, John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson never wanted to fight. But by 1970 our professional Army broke apart and was replaced by a body of amateurs. The result was defeat and 58,000 dead. After Vietnam, the Nixon administration broke the Army again. I know. I was there to see the drug addiction, murders in the barracks and chronic indiscipline, caused mainly by a dispirited noncommissioned corps that voted with its feet and left. Then came Jimmy Carter’s unique form of neglect that led to the “hollow Army” of the late ’70s, an Army that failed so miserably in its attempt to rescue the American hostages in Iran. The only exception to this very sad story was the Reagan years, when the land services received enough funding to equip and train themselves to fight so well in Operation Desert Storm. Then tragedy again as the Clinton administration reduced the ground services, intending to rely on “transformation,” a program that paid for more ships and planes by reducing the Army from 16 divisions to 10. In the George W. Bush administration, Donald Rumsfeld continued a policy that sought to exploit information technology to replace the human component in war. Had it not been for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the Army would have gone down to fewer than eight divisions. So, here we go again. The Obama administration will reduce its long-service, professional land force to pay for something called “Air Sea Battle,” a strategy that seeks to buy more ships and planes in order to confront China with technology rather than people. This strategy shows a degree of a-historicism that exceeds that of any post-World War II administration. So much for remembering “the lessons of the past.” Here’s what the lessons of the past 70 years really teach us: We cannot pick our enemies; our enemies will pick us. They will, as they have always done in the past, cede to us dominance in the air, on sea and in space because they do not have the ability to fight us there. Our enemies have observed us closely in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they have learned the lessons taught by Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh and Saddam Hussein: America’s greatest vulnerability is dead Americans. So our future enemy will seek to fight us on the ground, where we have traditionally been poorly prepared. His objective will be to win by not losing, to kill as an end rather than as a means to an end. And we will enter the next war again tragically short of the precious resource that we have neglected for six administrations: our soldiers and Marines. Can you imagine the sheer stupidity of claiming to know that we will need more smaller special forces and not a larger force capable of handling a large enemy force both of which China and Russia represent? One does not get to choose!! The given excuse is coupled with the other claim that budget constraints force this decision. Well that to what extent it is true was engineered just to be used all along as I started pointing out years ago! Obama has five years to engineer this excuse and then go on ahead with his plan. I love being right about what the bastard will do but not the reality that he puts this nation in grave danger by succeeding with his treason! Remember this our nation downsized our military just prior to WW2 and now repeats a mistake that cost us ever so dearly in treasure and it many, many thousands more American lives lost! I predicted this was where the bambastard was heading all along and did so first months of his first term. I am not at that forum and have no great desire to say I told you so to them. Although still a member there I could easily do so but it serves no purpose. I say f-them just as I say f-Obama. They were fools just as he is a lying fool that serves as a puppet to do his masters biddings. So far when it comes to history , military and likely future actions I am lightyears ahead of most people. I was right about China too. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1221] Author : aboutime Date : 02-25-2014 04:26 PM This is more validation of my stand taken. The great muslim ally Obama now running our military works his magic. -Tyr Thanks Tyr. Guess you never bothered to read anything I brought here, and just repeated everything I have said many times. But...it needed to be said, over, and over again. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1222] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 02-25-2014 04:58 PM Thanks Tyr. Guess you never bothered to read anything I brought here, and just repeated everything I have said many times. But...it needed to be said, over, and over again. Truth can never be repeated too often . I make a point to read your posts amigo. Always have. The fact that we agree on so many things certainly pleases me. :beer:--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1223] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 03-09-2014 10:16 PM Freedom of Speech as well as Freedom of the Press ARE surely beloved and much cherished rights of WE the people. Freedom of the press is vastly different than any of other liberties we as citizens have. It is insured to be an individual right as well as a public right. It does not apply only to a solitary citizen's right to express ideas and publish those thoughts for others to consider but also includes the right of public media and institutions to present political views regardless of their content being satisfactory to the reigning powers(Federal government)!!! A free press is a necessary block in the foundation of this nation and its Constitutional spirit. Our culture has advanced and remained free enough to give freedom to other nations because our freedom of speech and the existence of a free press insured our survival as we transformed from a small nation into the greatest super power the world has ever known!! Over the last decade we have seen a radical change in what was once known to be a "free press" as it was beaten into a weapon to serve the interests of one political party. With this change came corruption and destruction of truth like no other time in our nation's history. Timed perfectly to give rise to an outside emerging powerful force that now seeks our destruction. Question is , will we ever see the truth or will we continue to help in our own destruction? Currently we seem to be rushing about franticly helping in our own destruction while appeasing those that seek to destroy us. Surely if we fail to see this great folly soon enough we will perish as a sovereign nation. Have we already passed that point? I think there is a very slim window of opportunity in which we could reverse the course we are on. However as that rapidly closes we that see what's happening must unite and dedicate our lives to stopping the planned destruction. Even should it mean the ultimate sacrifice has to be paid. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1224] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 03-16-2014 10:47 AM Freedom of Speech as well as Freedom of the Press ARE surely beloved and much cherished rights of WE the people. Freedom of the press is vastly different than any of other liberties we as citizens have. It is insured to be an individual right as well as a public right. It does not apply only to a solitary citizen's right to express ideas and publish those thoughts for others to consider but also includes the right of public media and institutions to present political views regardless of their content being satisfactory to the reigning powers(Federal government)!!! A free press is a necessary block in the foundation of this nation and its Constitutional spirit. Our culture has advanced and remained free enough to give freedom to other nations because our freedom of speech and the existence of a free press insured our survival as we transformed from a small nation into the greatest super power the world has ever known!! Over the last decade we have seen a radical change in what was once known to be a "free press" as it was beaten into a weapon to serve the interests of one political party. With this change came corruption and destruction of truth like no other time in our nation's history. Timed perfectly to give rise to an outside emerging powerful force that now seeks our destruction. Question is , will we ever see the truth or will we continue to help in our own destruction? Currently we seem to be rushing about franticly helping in our own destruction while appeasing those that seek to destroy us. Surely if we fail to see this great folly soon enough we will perish as a sovereign nation. Have we already passed that point? I think there is a very slim window of opportunity in which we could reverse the course we are on. However as that rapidly closes we that see what's happening must unite and dedicate our lives to stopping the planned destruction. Even should it mean the ultimate sacrifice has to be paid. -Tyr Strange that we get no replies from the critics of this conservative and patriotic message. Have they all slimed off back underneath their cozy little rocks!?? I seriously doubt that but perhaps the fear of being exposed now that did not exist previously here has them cowardly hiding. I know a few eventually got themselves tossed but the clever ones made no such mistake. With the field left so shamelessly unchallenged I claim utter victory for truth , justice and the American way! :laugh: Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1225] Author : aboutime Date : 03-16-2014 12:42 PM Strange that we get no replies from the critics of this conservative and patriotic message. Have they all slimed off back underneath their cozy little rocks!?? I seriously doubt that but perhaps the fear of being exposed now that did not exist previously here has them cowardly hiding. I know a few eventually got themselves tossed but the clever ones made no such mistake. With the field left so shamelessly unchallenged I claim utter victory for truth , justice and the American way! :laugh: Tyr Tyr. As I suspect Obama, and the Dems have planned, and hoped for...They seem to depend on Americans NOT being willing to commit themselves to RUFFLING FEATHERS, or they Just feel THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO. We both know how desperately Under-educated, and how little REAL knowledge about what is taking place today...Most Americans suffer. Like entertainment...which is far more interesting than FREEDOM, RIGHTS, and LIBERTY...Most Americans always assume....cannot be taken away from them. Across the board of our more than 310 Million Americans. I seriously believe less than ONE PERCENT of them are like YOU, or ME. Concerned about politics, or what my father always called "FIGHTING CITY HALL". The almighty dollar, and instant gratification, entertainment, a nice cold beer, and "I DON'T GET INVOLVED" seem to be the standard CRY of present day Americans. They only pay attention...AFTER THE FACT. When they ask "WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1226] Author : Jeff Date : 03-18-2014 06:48 AM Title : Muslim Extremists Force Christian Girls to Watch as their Mother is Beheaded Yes it is time to hear " ooo man I am tired of seeing this trash posted, it must be made up " ....ect Y'all know what I am tired of, it is the excuses I hear for these animals , the religion of piece my ass, yet another story showing how peaceful these animals are, and yes I realize they aren't real Muslims :rolleyes: but just in case I will keep posting about these animals and hope all realize what they are before it is your turn to loose a head. The “religion of peace” knows no bounds. Islam’s reign of terror throughout north and central Africa continues as yet another disturbing story escapes the Dark Continent to teach us the truth about Islam.In Southern Somalia members of the Al-Shabaab terrorists (close allies of Al-Qaeda) recently took the time to show their community, and the world, what Islam does to Christians (http://morningstarnews.org/2014/03/islamic-extremists-in-somalia-behead-two-christians/). Local leaders arrested two people who they believed to be Christians for the crime of… being Christians. 41-year-old mother, Sadia Ali Omar, and her 35-year-old cousin, Osman Mohamoud Moge were arrested by the local al-Shabaab militants, and brought to the town center along with Ms. Omar’s two daughters. http://eaglerising.com/5190/muslim-extremists-force-christian-girls-watch-mother-beheaded/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1227] Author : Gunny Date : 03-18-2014 08:30 PM Strange that we get no replies from the critics of this conservative and patriotic message. Have they all slimed off back underneath their cozy little rocks!?? I seriously doubt that but perhaps the fear of being exposed now that did not exist previously here has them cowardly hiding. I know a few eventually got themselves tossed but the clever ones made no such mistake. With the field left so shamelessly unchallenged I claim utter victory for truth , justice and the American way! :laugh: Tyr Now let's dance. You like to talk all kinds of crap because you hope the majority you prattle to hasn't been to that sandbox you dust-devils love to fuss over? Expalin your religion to me where it says you can build an IED in the road and one of my Marines can't even spell it anymore. Better yet, explain it to his daughter. Tell her how your religion says that's okay. I'm sure she'll understand. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1228] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 03-18-2014 08:31 PM Yes it is time to hear " ooo man I am tired of seeing this trash posted, it must be made up " ....ect Y'all know what I am tired of, it is the excuses I hear for these animals , the religion of piece my ass, yet another story showing how peaceful these animals are, and yes I realize they aren't real Muslims :rolleyes: but just in case I will keep posting about these animals and hope all realize what they are before it is your turn to loose a head. http://eaglerising.com/5190/muslim-extremists-force-christian-girls-watch-mother-beheaded/ Link is a good one and highlights the truth. All it takes is for people to open their eyes and choose to finally see. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1229] Author : Jeff Date : 03-19-2014 06:30 AM Link is a good one and highlights the truth. All it takes is for people to open their eyes and choose to finally see. -Tyr Yes Tyr I made sure this wasn't any of the "FAKE " Muslims :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1230] Author : Jeff Date : 03-19-2014 06:51 AM Title : Muslim Father Murders Lesbian Daughter and Her Girlfriend – Christian Family of Murde Here is another example of how peaceful the religion of peace is. Yes many of these stories all seem so much a like why post them, it's simple until everyone see's exactly what this so called religion of peace really is those of us that do see it need to keep warning those that don't and at that point if those that don't still refuse to see the FACTS then I ( and all who care ) have done everything we can. The fascist gay lobby and its liberal protectors are constantly decrying the evil bigotry of Christianity while never speaking against the actual evil actions committed by Islam against the gay community. Another example has recently taken place, but again, because it doesn’t fit their liberal anti-Christian narrative, the left is silent… but conservatives are not.An evil Muslim man has likely murdered (http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/03/16/41162/) his daughter for the crime of homosexuality. His daughter was a lesbian, and her lifestyle had dishonored his family. Police believe that 46-year-old James Larry Cosby murdered his daughter Britney and her girlfriend Crystal Jackson, both 24 years old, before dumping their bodies like garbage. http://eaglerising.com/5196/muslim-father-murders-lesbian-daughter-girlfriend-christian-family-murdered-girl-forgives-killer/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1231] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 03-19-2014 07:14 AM Now let's dance. You like to talk all kinds of crap because you hope the majority you prattle to hasn't been to that sandbox you dust-devils love to fuss over? Expalin your religion to me where it says you can build an IED in the road and one of my Marines can't even spell it anymore. Better yet, explain it to his daughter. Tell her how your religion says that's okay. I'm sure she'll understand. You sir , obviously have me confused with some muslim terrorist type scum. My religion is Christianity , I am a Southern American born and bred and my stand is to defend my family first, this nation and our Constitution. All of which I openly talk about come hell or high water. :salute: The religion you just spoke of is our enemy and we had best get off our collective dumb asses to properly address the worldwide campaign of murder it wages. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1232] Author : aboutime Date : 03-19-2014 02:16 PM You sir , obviously have me confused with some muslim terrorist type scum. My religion is Christianity , I am a Southern American born and bred and my stand is to defend my family first, this nation and our Constitution. All of which I openly talk about come hell or high water. :salute: The religion you just spoke of is our enemy and we had best get off our collective dumb asses to properly address the worldwide campaign of murder it wages. -Tyr GUNNY. I suspect You have miss-directed your message above to the absolute...wrong member here. Nothing could be further from the truth about Tyr-Ziu Saxnot. Honestly. Check back and see who you SHOULD have been addressing. Tyr is LIKE YOU, and ME. Really...He is. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1233] Author : Drummond Date : 03-19-2014 02:22 PM You sir , obviously have me confused with some muslim terrorist type scum. My religion is Christianity , I am a Southern American born and bred and my stand is to defend my family first, this nation and our Constitution. All of which I openly talk about come hell or high water. :salute: The religion you just spoke of is our enemy and we had best get off our collective dumb asses to properly address the worldwide campaign of murder it wages. -Tyr:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: Well said ! Gunny, I respect where you're coming from. But here, you've made a mistake. Tyr is exactly as he describes himself ... and I'd have thought that both you and he have a great deal in common. Check out his many posts. I'm sure you'll like what you see. Indeed .. he does a lot to highlight the murderous barbarity Islam is responsible for, on one particular thread which catalogues all they get up to, worldwide. I only wish that more of my own countrymen (I'm British, posting from the UK) had his mindset ... we'd stop the Islamic incursion here in its tracks if they did. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1234] Author : Drummond Date : 03-19-2014 02:24 PM GUNNY. I suspect You have miss-directed your message above to the absolute...wrong member here. Nothing could be further from the truth about Tyr-Ziu Saxnot. Honestly. Check back and see who you SHOULD have been addressing. Tyr is LIKE YOU, and ME. Really...He is.:clap::clap::clap: We obviously had the same thought at the same time !!! Well said, Aboutime. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1235] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 03-26-2014 09:58 AM :clap::clap::clap: We obviously had the same thought at the same time !!! Well said, Aboutime. Much appreciated guys. No problem as my name likely made him think I might be Arab. It's definitely not an American name. ;) Who has never made a mistake? I wish I had a dollar for each and every one I've made in my life... -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1236] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 04-17-2014 11:44 PM Title : Islamic terrorists from Mexico infiltrating U.S. for next attack https://www.catholic.org/news/international/americas/story.php?id=48280 Islamic terrorists from Mexico infiltrating U.S. for next attack Terrorists are using Mexico as a staging area and entry point into the US for terrorist attacks. Representative Sue Myrick (R - NC) is asking the Obama administration to investigate the apparent problem. LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - Terrorists with ties to Hezbollah and Iran are infiltrating Lebanese communities in Mexico, hoping to blend into the population there. Teaming up with the all-too powerful drug cartels, terrorists are having themselves smuggled into the US in exchange for money and weapons which fuel cartel violence in Mexico. The ties are blatant. Earlier this year, an Iranian operative was arrested for plotting to assassinate a Saudi Arabian diplomat in Washington. The would-be killer had hired Mexican cartel assassins to assist him. He was only one of several people who have been arrested both in the US and Mexico with ties to Iran and Hezbollah. Despite obvious connections like these, Myrick says the Department of Homeland Security still refuses to properly investigate the matter. That Hezbollah is working to establish secret bases of support in Mexico and South America is no secret. In 2010, the Tucson Police Department even issued a brief on the groups and the threat they pose to local security. Mexican drug cartels are routinely busted with high-powered weapons including assault rifles and rocket launchers that have passed through the Middle East. The weapons are coming from somewhere, and that somewhere appears to be Lebanon and Iran. In 2009, a Mexican newspaper, "The Diario de Quintnna Roo" even published a report that Hezbollah cells were using drug trafficking routes to reach the US. What this means is that terrorists are staging themselves in Mexico, pairing with the cartels, and in exchange for guns and money, are being smuggled into the US with drug shipments. While the drugs are dangerous and should also be stopped, they are consumed by choice and primarily harm users. However, the terrorists that are hitching rides with the shipments are a danger to all because they attack indiscriminately. Perhaps most dangerous of all is the reluctance of the Department of Homeland Security to investigate the matter fully and to strengthen our borders. Unfortunately, border security is a hot-button campaign issue and neither candidate can afford to alienate voters who are opposed to increased border enforcement. Many of those voters see border enforcement as a race-based issue and one that can directly affect the lives of their loved ones. Many voters do not realize that the issue of border security is also a matter of national security and that the next successful terrorist attack on American soil may very well have a Mexican connection. If that happens, there's no telling how the government and the citizens of the US may react. Perhaps most dangerous of all is the reluctance of the Department of Homeland Security to investigate the matter fully and to strengthen our borders. ^^^ This points to our government deliberately allowing avenues of attacks upon this nation!! Americans should be asking why! The answer is obvious to we that are not ignorant, blind, sheeple or "higher educationally enlightened"(progressively dumbed down")..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1237] Author : aboutime Date : 04-18-2014 07:29 PM ^^^ This points to our government deliberately allowing avenues of attacks upon this nation!! Americans should be asking why! The answer is obvious to we that are not ignorant, blind, sheeple or "higher educationally enlightened"(progressively dumbed down")..-Tyr Tyr. Anyone who asks the Obama administration to check into ANYTHING should know. That's never gonna happen. At least. Not as long as Holder and Obama have their hands in EACH OTHER'S POCKETS for entertainment purposes they call RACIAL grasping. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1238] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 04-18-2014 07:34 PM Tyr. Anyone who asks the Obama administration to check into ANYTHING should know. That's never gonna happen. At least. Not as long as Holder and Obama have their hands in EACH OTHER'S POCKETS for entertainment purposes they call RACIAL grasping. How DAMN right you are!!!!!!! I make no requests of the treasonous bastards. I warn Americans of what they are doing and its the truth. He who ignores such warnings is a fool IMHO.. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1239] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 05-02-2014 08:40 PM http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/01/iranian-commander-we-have-targets-within-america/ Iranian commander: We have targets within America A top commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards boasted Saturday that his forces have plans in place to attack the United States from within, should the U.S. attack the Islamic Republic. “America, with its strategic ignorance, does not have a full understanding of the power of the Islamic Republic,” Brig. Gen. Hossein Salami said in a televised interview. “We have recognized America’s military strategy, and have arranged our abilities, and have identified centers in America [for attack] that will create a shock.” Reports indicate that terrorist Hezbollah forces — allies of Iran — have infiltrated the U.S. and have mapped out targets. “We will conduct such a blow in which they [America] will be destroyed from within,” Salami said. This is the second warning by a high-ranking officer of the Guards in two weeks. The chief commander of the Guards, Maj. Gen. Mohammad Jafari, addressing Secretary of State John Kerry, said on Jan. 24 that a direct conflict with America is the “strongest dream of the faithful and revolutionary men around the world.” Kerry had previously said that if Iran did not live up to the agreement reached in Geneva on its nuclear program, “all options are on the table.” “Your threats to revolutionary Islam are the best opportunity,” Jafari had said. “Muslim leaders for years have been preparing us for a decisive battle.… Do you know how many thousands of revolutionary Muslims at the heart of the Islamic revolutionary groups around the world are awaiting for you to take this [military] option from the table into action?” Gen. Salami went further, saying the Revolutionary Guards have taken into consideration America’s military ability and different scenarios under which the U.S. could attack Iran via a limited missile or air strike, or even a ground attack. Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/01/iranian-commander-we-have-targets-within-america/#ixzz30c1ekn7j Do not ever think that the Iranians are the only ones with hidden cell groups in our country. Hezbolo's, Hamas and others have such hidden cell groups here too. And all these terrorists groups have one link in common== Islam!!! That is what obama/dem/lib and leftists try to keep hidden.-Tyr They seek to keep their allies safe until needed!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1240] Author : aboutime Date : 05-02-2014 09:38 PM Do not ever think that the Iranians are the only ones with hidden cell groups in our country. Hezbolo's, Hamas and others have such hidden cell groups here too. And all these terrorists groups have one link in common== Islam!!! That is what obama/dem/lib and leftists try to keep hidden.-Tyr They seek to keep their allies safe until needed!! Tyr. I constantly wonder WHY...it seems NOBODY is really taking this kind of stuff seriously? Are our Fellow Americans SO SCARED of being labeled as RACISTS, and Home Grown Terrorists...they ignore, or simply look the other way when presented with REAL FACTS...like you have been presenting on this thread? And I seriously wonder why...after so many times. I have posted this photo. So few of us here actually believe it is possible?? Namely...http://icansayit.com/images/Musbrohoodmem.jpg It's not a joke, or a fabricated story. Obama has appointed the men shown above. And ALL of them are known Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers. My apologies to anyone who thinks this is just another Conspiracy Theory. To all of you who are still convinced George W. Bush planned 9-11. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1241] Author : jafar00 Date : 05-03-2014 07:02 PM Tyr. I constantly wonder WHY...it seems NOBODY is really taking this kind of stuff seriously? Are our Fellow Americans SO SCARED of being labeled as RACISTS, and Home Grown Terrorists...they ignore, or simply look the other way when presented with REAL FACTS...like you have been presenting on this thread? And I seriously wonder why...after so many times. I have posted this photo. So few of us here actually believe it is possible?? Namely...http://icansayit.com/images/Musbrohoodmem.jpg It's not a joke, or a fabricated story. Obama has appointed the men shown above. And ALL of them are known Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers. My apologies to anyone who thinks this is just another Conspiracy Theory. To all of you who are still convinced George W. Bush planned 9-11. Summary of the eRumor: This is a forwarded email with the title of "White House Staff" or "New In The White House" that alleges that six American Islamist Activists who work with the Obama Administration are Muslim Brotherhood operatives influencing American policies.
The Truth: This eRumor is an unproven conspiracy theory. The first member on the list is Arif Alikhan, who has been serving in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) since 2006. His first appointment was Deputy Mayor for Homeland Security and Public Safety for the city of Los Angeles. Alikhan is a first generation American and his parents immigrated from Pakistan. One of his primary tasks over the years has been to educate our government and military on the culture and mindset of the terrorists that that the U.S. has been fighting since it began the War on Terror. In 2009, DHS head Janet Napolitano appointed Alikhan Assistant Secretary for Policy Development. Imam Mohamed Magid naturalized citizen who immigrated to the United States from the Sudan in 1987. In 2011 President Barack Obama appointed Magid to serve in a Countering Violent Extremism Working Group with the DHS. On January 22, 2013 Magid took part in the inaugural ceremonies of President Obama but the White House has no Sharia Czar, a title given to Iman Magid by critics of the Obama Administration. Mohamed Elibiary is an advisor to the Department of Homeland Security. Out of this list he probably is the most controversial. According to a November 9, 2011 CBN News article, Elibiary spoke at a Texas conference in 2004 and honored Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini as a "great Islamic visionary." Elibiary is a member of the Department of Homeland Security's Advisory Council. He was granted access to a nationwide database that contained terror watch lists and sensitive FBI reports, which he was accused of leaking portions of the documents to the media in order to spread charges of "Islamophobia" within Governor Rick Perry's Texas government. Eboo Patel came to the United States as a child when his parents immigrated from Mumbai, India. Patel serves on President Barack Obama's inaugural Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships. As a child Patel lived in Glen Ellyn, Illinois where he attended Glenbard South High School and went on to University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and earned a degree in Sociology. He is a Rhodes Scholar and earned his doctorate in Sociology at Oxford. While attending Oxford Patel oversaw a number of interfaith youth projects in India, Sri Lanka, and South Africa. Rashad Hussain is a first generation American of parents who immigrated to the U.S. from India. He was born in Wyoming, raised in Plano, Texas and is a graduate of the Greenhill School in Dallas. Hussain later attended the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill where he earned his bachelor’s degrees in both philosophy and political science. In 2009 he was a trial attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice and served as an Associate Counsel to the Obama Presidential Transition Team. On February 13, 2010 President Obama appointed Hussain as the United States Special Envoy to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. He was awarded In January 2013 the Distinguished Honor Award for "exceptionally outstanding service to the agencies of the U.S. Government resulting in achievements of marked national or international significance." Hussain is an advocate for the protection of religious minorities in Muslim-majority countries. Salam al-Marayati was born in Bagdad, Iraq and at the age of 4 his family immigrated to the U.S. He became a naturalized citizen and earned a bachelors of science degree in Bio-Chemistry from the University of California Los Angeles. According to his bio (http://www.islamicity.com/mpac/salam_al-marayati.shtm) Al-Marayati is one of the founders of the Muslim Public Affairs Council and is currently the director of the organization. Al-Marayati has been a member of the Executive Committee of the California Democratic Party. His political experience stems back to 1992 where he was a delegate at the 1992 and 1996 Democratic National Convention. He is a writer for the Islamic magazine, The Minaret, and has covered Republican conventions as a reporter. In 2012 al-Marayati was appointed by the President to the U..S. delegation to the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe forum in Poland. This raised many concerns from critics of the Obama administration because al-Marayati is an "outspoken critic of Israel who once said the Jewish state should be added to the list of 9/11 terror suspects." This according to an October 17, 2012 article by Fox News. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/17/watchdogs-oppose-appointment-israel-critic-al-marayati-to-us-delegation/) Posted 05/08/13 A real example of the eRumor as it has appeared on the Internet: Look who's New in the White House!
http://www.truthorfiction.com/images/white-house-staff.jpg
Arif Alikhan - Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security Mohammed Elibiary - Homeland Security Adviser Rashad Hussain - Special Envoy to the (OIC) Organization of the Islamic Conference Salam al-Marayati - Obama Adviser –founder Muslim Public Affairs Council and its current executive director Imam Mohamed Magid - Obama's Sharia Czar – Islamic Society of North America Eboo Patel - Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships This is flat out scary!!!! The foxes are now living in the hen house... Now ask me why I am concerned!!! http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/muslim-brotherhood-in-white-house-050813.htm#.U2WC7_mSzuM Don't you have more important things to worry about? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1242] Author : aboutime Date : 05-03-2014 07:07 PM jafar. You're not even a good propagandist. Defending the Muslim Brotherhood is so Obama-like, of you. Truthorfiction is on the borderline about their accuracy. Much like Snopes has been proven inaccurate. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1243] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 05-04-2014 07:15 PM jafar. You're not even a good propagandist. Defending the Muslim Brotherhood is so Obama-like, of you. Truthorfiction is on the borderline about their accuracy. Much like Snopes has been proven inaccurate. When the Muslim Brotherhood took power in Egypt Obama rushed 2 billion dollars to them!! And started plans to give them over a few billion dollars in advanced weaponry. Jafar likes to pretend the muslim in hiding currently infesting the Whitehouse is a Christian. However , should Jafar really believed that to be true he would not bust ass defending Obama like he so often does. Smoke and mirrors folks. Jafar has them by the room full IMHO..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1244] Author : aboutime Date : 05-05-2014 07:04 PM When the Muslim Brotherhood took power in Egypt Obama rushed 2 billion dollars to them!! And started plans to give them over a few billion dollars in advanced weaponry. Jafar likes to pretend the muslim in hiding currently infesting the Whitehouse is a Christian. However , should Jafar really believed that to be true he would not bust ass defending Obama like he so often does. Smoke and mirrors folks. Jafar has them by the room full IMHO..-Tyr Tyr. The one, dependable, honest fact about jafar is. There is no way possible for him to ever change what IS....THE TRUTH. Propagandists must always be aware, and remember what their last set of lies were in order to sound convincing. But when you always TELL THE TRUTH. There is nothing that needs to be remembered. IT JUST ..... IS. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1245] Author : Yeah Nope Date : 05-09-2014 03:28 PM Are you suggesting that American muslims take an oath of loyalty to America ? I don't believe he is suggesting that. I believe he indicating that either: 1.) You chose to live in the US because you believe in this country, believe in what has to offer, what The Constitution represents and therefore should act accordingly. OR 2.) You chose to live here in an effort to subvert, convert, or destroy this nation, and therefore should be treated accordingly. Currently there is pressure from the highest levels of the government to treat both groups the same, with labels of "racist" or "islamophobe" being tacked onto anyone that points out the batshit insanity of that stance. There are far too many muslims and muslim groups in the US that chant "Religion of Peace" ad nauseum in the media, yet are funded, supply funding, have ties to, or openly support terrorist groups. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1246] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 05-09-2014 09:52 PM Thanks. Dilloduck is long gone but its true he was indeed very wrong. We can not let hurt feelings (theirs) force us to cower and be lead to the slaughter like blind sheep! I authored this very long thread over 3 years ago and it's only gotten far worse since that time!-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1247] Author : Jeff Date : 05-13-2014 06:39 AM Title : Scared but alive: Video purports to show abducted Nigerian girls A new way of recruiting I guess :dunno: Yes just kidnap people and make them believe the way you do, yup sounds like a peaceful religion to me :confused: (CNN) -- The girls sit quietly on the ground, dressed in traditional Islamic garb, barely moving, clearly scared. "Praise be to Allah, the lord of the world," they chant. The video, released by French news agency Agence France-Presse, purports to show about 100 of the 276 girls kidnapped by Boko Haram (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/17/world/africa/boko-haram-explainer/index.html) fighters nearly a month ago. It's the first time they've been seen since their abduction April 14. http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/12/world/africa/nigeria-abducted-girls/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1248] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 05-21-2014 10:26 AM dmp is offline UnFuckWithable Join Date:Jan 2007Location:In my BoxersPosts:13,454Thanks:152Thanked 125 Times in 76 Posts Rep Power:1399929 Our society is composed of liars. And we love it "...then you will experience for yourselves the truth, and the truth will free you." John 8:32b (TheMessage) I live within a society of liars and you live here beside me because outwardly, honesty is a virtue to the masses but secretly or not-so-secretly honesty is feared, loathed, rebuked, and forbidden. From the elected leaders of our nation - our society, really - and their blatant unrepentant lies to the lies we spoon-feed our children, lying is an art form and lying is a skill sharpened upon the grinding wheel of immediate feelings of goodness. That is to say, we grind away truth and we sharpen our lies because sharp lies cut easier and neater and with less resistance than blunt, heavy truths (see famous lies: "GWB said we invaded Iraq 'because' Iraq had WMD!" see also: "Sarah Palin said she can see Russia from her house!" - both never happened, but the masses - our society - do not care). We lie politically - Most recently our elected President lied dozens of times to the American people regarding their health care. The nature of his lie is well-documented and I have less of a problem with his lying (Saying people can keep their doctor and their insurance if they (simply) WANT to keep it) AND less of a problem with his follow-on lie ('...I meant they can keep those IF the federal government decides the health care insurance people want is GOOD enough'. Stop lying. You know you are lying. You know the REAL answer is "Uh, Americans? I'm sorry. I am a chucklehead and spoke out of my ass without having read nor studied the law") but the thrust of my frustration aims squarely at the American people. By enough of a majority the American people are content with the President's lying. By enough of a majority the American people are letting that lie slide to their feet. Perhaps the ugly truth scares the lazy, uniformed masses. I would like to see a survey of 1000 Americans asking which group they claim to hate worse - the KKK or Congress. I would hedge my bet if asked - without naming the KKK specifically, and only describing some of the KKK beliefs - would pick 'congress' as a named-group they hate worse. Politicians lie because lying is a learned behaviour; lying is a means to an end. I do not believe every politician is power hungry and up to no good - moreover I believe politicians want to change the fabric of society so tell people what that specific audience wants to hear in an effort to get their votes. There again are the liars. Nobody with enough votes 'hates' congress, because 'congress' is STILL there, congressing. When I speak to people who either have no stomach to choose a side or simply want the appearance of open-minded free thought and they tell me 'ALL politicians are terrible/lie/should be fired/pay cut/etc' I chuckle inside before I cry a little bit inside. The problem - the disease - is NOT our congressional representatives nor our President because the problem rests solely up on the collective shoulders of those doing the voting. Solely upon collective - that's a weird twist of words but my point stands. Our elected liars are doing their lying at the behest of our citizenry. The voting members of our society elect liars based on the lies-told them and they love it. A popular lie is the concept of 'throwing money' at a problem. For instance, some public schools 'fund raise' to save essential education elements like bands, and the arts. People campaign under slogans such as 'Lets increase our taxes to pay for band because band is important!". The lie happens when school districts - elected officials - tell the population they 'must' cut band because they lack revenue to support band all-the-while supporting absolutely bullshit teachers and teaching methods. Raising taxes will not save band. Raising taxes will only force those who may not wish to pay for band in school to in fact pay for band in school - until an elected representative decides for whatever reason the new amount of money is not sufficient. Lies wrapped in misleading statistics, finances, and capability. Another example is when politicians shamelessly pander to those of a certain point of view, and those holding that view are not smart enough to overlook hyperbole and gross simplification. Let's pretend a reprehensible representative exists; we'll call her Pancy Nelosi. Now, Nelosi introduces a law calling for expiration of 5th amendment rights (just for the sake of argument) AND for $100.00 (total, across the nation) to be given to poor kids. When another representative - let's call her Bichele Machmann - opposes the bill, Nelosi will immediately start crying to the lie-lovers "LOOK! Machmann has a WAR ON KIDS! Machmann is BLOCKING the bill supporting Poor kids!! She obviously is a Pedophobe!" What happens? Our society is so-conditioned to love the lies dumb people start letter-writing campaigns and sit-ins and big-labor gets involved and eventually Machmann either apologizes and shuts-up-and-colours or she's voted out. We lie socially - From the elements that brought us the question 'does my butt look big in these pants?' flows undercurrents of socially-mandated lying. We tell our kids they can be ANYTHING they want in life. We tell our servers at restaurants 'Everything tastes great!' - we tell the cop we did not know how fast we were going. We tell our lover "that was FANTASTIC!". With refusing honesty we betray the intent of, and disrespect relationships. Perhaps the lies keep us from facing certain unpleasant facts - perhaps we are unsatisfied with our relationships, our childhood, and our food to have crucial conversations with those around us. The fear of conflict drives the lie as I do my mate the disservice of dishonesty about her choice of jeans, about blocking my kids from realities of life, and the 'next' customer as he or she suffers through a terrible dinner. My lover and my friends deserve honesty when asking for my honest opinion. Tact rules the day but honesty rules a lifetime. "Honey, maybe we see if we can find more complimentary jeans?" "Daughter, the dreams you have now will likely change before you are old enough or motivated enough to pursue those goals. If the dreams do not happen rest-assured other dreams will take their place. Further, nothing will be granted or gifted. If you want to BE special, you have to DO special things" "Officer, I was going 53 and I know the speed limit was 40. I have no excuse other than my own selfishness and thinking I would not get caught". "Honey, I enjoy being with you except I am eager to get to know other sides of you; maybe we consider...."; "Kids, No - Santa is not real but we do not need Santa. Santa is a great idea and the entire point of Christmas is to spend time with those you love; and share in goodness. Some of that involves gifts - but I will never reward you for 'being good' - in fact, I will train to you accept 'being good' as its own reward. When your mother and I gift to you we gift to you with the full appreciation of who you are as a person and the goodness you bring to our lives. We do not need a mythical Santa or the mythical date of Christ's birth to show love like this. Santa is good. Christ is better. Neither is the purpose for Christmas because the love we share is the purpose." We lie in media. We see models who are not real but offer a glimmer of what could be if we purchased the product they pretend to use. Media is not the problem - the problem is people - you and me - society - responds to those advertisements. Human f'ing nature. We love the lie we are buying and we sleep at night holding-fast to the magic lying beans, dead-set they will grow our world to new heights and leave us with treasures. Only monsters appear and we buy-again knowing THIS time everything will work out. We lie in our courts. People sue for the sake of settling out of court because they do something stupid and decide they are not at fault for tripping over a curb but the person who made the concrete and the person who installed the curb is liable financially because they "Should have known" people can trip over themselves. We lie to ourselves. We play the victim because its easier to be the victim than the savior. The savior is not lazy and the savior is not taking time to 'relax' or go on the umpteenth vacation this year and the savior makes the hard decisions so we do not have to. Because we are victims. Alas, there is no hope beyond a short life as human nature is what it is and gets only worse over each generation. We have power only to govern ourselves and shake ourselves awake from the matrix we call real-life. We must slap ourselves back to consciousness and return to fear of tyranny because the fear of tyranny might be life-saving. I read something like 3% of the population of the colonies actively battled for freedom, with maybe another 10% semi-actively or in supporting roles working for liberty. Our self-made government system is the new England and our kings - however elected - will continue to press down upon the neck of the people all the while telling them to 'trust us...' because it's for our own good. And society will not struggle - struggling is hard work. We will let the death of libery wash over us until it becomes the new normal. Welcome, friends, to Fascism. Welcome to Communist China. Welcome to The New USA. A welcome edition here. Brilliant truth always is.. Thanks given gratefully to the author!--Tyr I saw this reality coming well over 30 years ago and its now arrived. A truly brilliant write my friend. I will now copy this to place with thanks into my thread titled --I Take My Stand .. Thanks for the gift. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1249] Author : Jeff Date : 05-29-2014 07:57 AM Title : Girl Returns To Her Home Town Which Has Been Invaded By Aggressive Muslims I have seen this video before but it is worth watching a second time. These animals come to a country and decide they will live by the laws they want, as I watched this video all I could think of was being back in a 80' long truck and down shifting as I rid the world of some trash !! http://conservativevideos.com/2014/05/girl-returns-home-town-invaded-aggressive-muslims/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1250] Author : aboutime Date : 05-29-2014 03:57 PM I have seen this video before but it is worth watching a second time. These animals come to a country and decide they will live by the laws they want, as I watched this video all I could think of was being back in a 80' long truck and down shifting as I rid the world of some trash !! http://conservativevideos.com/2014/05/girl-returns-home-town-invaded-aggressive-muslims/ Jeff. Let's ask jafar how he feels about HIS religious beliefs. Such as those voiced in the video that DEMAND You, and I, and every Non-Muslim on Earth should go to Hell??? Let's hear it jafar. Either you believe, and follow what you claim, or you are just another hypocrite, pretending to be different..to speed up your false Prophet, Propaganda. Time to MAN UP jafar. Are you capable? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1251] Author : Jeff Date : 06-11-2014 05:47 AM Title : Boko Haram keeps killing civilians. World keeps doing…nothing. Here ya have it, the group that some don't support but do agree with their beliefs :rolleyes: Remember that group of Islamic terrorists that everyone was hashtagging about a few weeks back? Yeah, I know Obama-induced ADD (http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/suffering-obama-induced-add/). Well, let me remind you, the nasty chaps who call themselves Boko Haram who kidnapped some 200 Nigerian girls — and FLOTUS and Hollywood types went on social media about? Ok, now you remember. Well, everyone was REALLY mad at these varmints but no one did anything about it — like, kill them. So out of boredom, they decided to do something else violent and horrific. According to a report in Slate (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/06/05/boko_haram_attack_disguised_as_soldiers_militant_group_kills_hundreds_of.html), “While dressed as members of the Nigerian army, Boko Haram militants rounded up and killed more than 200 civilians in at least three villages in northeastern Nigeria earlier this week. Community leaders who escaped the massacre said the militants lied to the villagers telling them they were there to protect them.” http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/boko-haram-keeps-killing-civilians-world-keeps-doingnothing/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1252] Author : aboutime Date : 06-11-2014 08:59 AM Here ya have it, the group that some don't support but do agree with their beliefs :rolleyes: http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/boko-haram-keeps-killing-civilians-world-keeps-doingnothing/ Jeff. What I believe is a JOINT problem with this is. Both EDUCATION, and COURAGE. And the "LACK" of both in almost every case. People are desperate to learn, but kept in the dark when it comes to actual Knowledge. And, Large numbers of Human beings live in FEAR, that not agreeing with Terrorists (like Muslim Radicalism) could be Dangerous to their life. Almost like Americans who voted for OBAMA because they feared being labeled RACIST if they didn't vote for, and support him...MERELY, because of the color of his skin. It doesn't get any simpler than that. And I AM STICKING TO IT. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1253] Author : Jeff Date : 06-14-2014 02:57 PM Title : BRUTAL ‘RELIGION OF PEACE’ VIDEO: We Will Conquer All Until You Believe In Allah Alon This is a long video ( a hour and 3 mins ) and I have to be honest it is so graphic I only made it 15 minutes into it, but it shows how peaceful the religion of peace is. Yes they show many killings and some they show 3 or 4 times trying to drive it home, which honestly once was enough. I know I will be told this didn't come from a good site ( only the Muslim times reports accurately :laugh: ) and seriously I am sure there is some truth to that, but the video is a hour long horror film so unless these are all paid actors.... You have to wonder why most of the countries that are in complete turmoil ( killing are a everyday thing ) are Muslim . So grab some popcorn ( and a bucket just in case ) and enjoy the religion of peace. WARNING: Several parts are too graphic to watch, but this is essential to understand what we’re up against. No one is safe. THIS is what Islam is about. Are there Muslims who do not believe in killing infidels? Yes, but they are not following the Quran, and they too will be slaughtered by these murdering Muslims. We need to take the fight to these Muslim animals before they get a chance to behead every innocent American they get their hands on. This clash of civilizations is the modern-day WW III. Like our grandfathers fought the Germans and Japanese, we need to fight radical Muslims in every part of the world. If we don’t, we will suffer at their hands. WAKE UP AMERICA and get your head out of the sand. We need to win an epic battle against Islamists. http://clashdaily.com/2014/06/brutal-religion-peace-video-will-conquer-believe-allah-alone/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1254] Author : aboutime Date : 06-14-2014 03:09 PM This is a long video ( a hour and 3 mins ) and I have to be honest it is so graphic I only made it 15 minutes into it, but it shows how peaceful the religion of peace is. Yes they show many killings and some they show 3 or 4 times trying to drive it home, which honestly once was enough. I know I will be told this didn't come from a good site ( only the Muslim times reports accurately :laugh: ) and seriously I am sure there is some truth to that, but the video is a hour long horror film so unless these are all paid actors.... You have to wonder why most of the countries that are in complete turmoil ( killing are a everyday thing ) are Muslim . So grab some popcorn ( and a bucket just in case ) and enjoy the religion of peace. http://clashdaily.com/2014/06/brutal-religion-peace-video-will-conquer-believe-allah-alone/ Jeff. It is scary stuff, without a doubt. But we should also recognize. Those people are still living in the 7th century, and have no concept of modern life because they have been kept down, and prevented from making changes like the rest of the World. I do wonder if they have any concept of what a Modern day DRONE is, or what it can do; as compared to their BEHEADING PARTIES where nobody wins??? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1255] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 06-14-2014 05:16 PM This is a long video ( a hour and 3 mins ) and I have to be honest it is so graphic I only made it 15 minutes into it, but it shows how peaceful the religion of peace is. Yes they show many killings and some they show 3 or 4 times trying to drive it home, which honestly once was enough. I know I will be told this didn't come from a good site ( only the Muslim times reports accurately :laugh: ) and seriously I am sure there is some truth to that, but the video is a hour long horror film so unless these are all paid actors.... You have to wonder why most of the countries that are in complete turmoil ( killing are a everyday thing ) are Muslim . So grab some popcorn ( and a bucket just in case ) and enjoy the religion of peace. http://clashdaily.com/2014/06/brutal-religion-peace-video-will-conquer-believe-allah-alone/ I dare any son of a bitch alive to watch that video then stand in my yard an tell me all those ffukking vermin should not be executed by any and every means possible! For should any man do that, I swear I'll stomp his mmtherf\ukiing ass to within an inch of his miserable worthless life!!! That is a sworn oath or else I'll die trying!!!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1256] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 07-23-2014 10:21 PM Welcome aboard!!!!!!! I've been waiting on you guys....--Tyr :beer: :salute: :beer:, :dance: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1257] Author : red state Date : 07-23-2014 10:38 PM Well, I'm relived............they have pulled the video. I was headed for bed when I saw this and I truly need my sleep so it's a good thing that I didn't see anything that would have kept me up. I'm sure it is something I've seen before and that truly (literally) turned my stomach. I still see and remember the sounds of those beheaded a couple years ago. I still see the MANY photos of women who have been blinded and disfigured by American and World-wide muSLUMs who had thrown acid on these women. Folks, it is FAR too predominant within this filthy culture/cult and it is also widely evident that the so-called REAL muSLUMs do nothing to stop it. In fact, more times than not, they PRAISE the evils of the "few" terrorists. Just take that poor child that jaFART posted on the beach...........my first thoughts was that this child had been victimized to simply make a photo shoot for their propaganda machine. They learned well from the days of HILTLER. Does anyone remember who all were in support of the Nazi Party? I do and much of our problem TODAY is in our forgetfulness of YESTERYEAR!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1258] Author : red state Date : 07-23-2014 10:41 PM I dare any son of a bitch alive to watch that video then stand in my yard an tell me all those ffukking vermin should not be executed by any and every means possible! For should any man do that, I swear I'll stomp his mmtherf\ukiing ass to within an inch of his miserable worthless life!!! That is a sworn oath or else I'll die trying!!!--Tyr Tyr, violence never solved anything............remember (as the liberals so often remind us) that CHRISTIANS are to turn the other cheek. I had you there for a minute, didn't I, old buddy?! HA!!!:coffee: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1259] Author : Gunny Date : 08-03-2014 01:37 PM Who's the wimp justifying people that murder children? Really? I like this thread. Let's play, raghead. Do you have ANY idea what it smells like when you drop from a 46 into a bunch of burning bodies you weren't expecting? No, you don't. You're an after the fact loser on the internet. Got e-balls and not much else. Ever seen a bunch of grown Marines cry? They didn't name that place "The Mile of Death" for no reason. We just called it payback. And we had very few prisoners. Now, you want to keep running your little raghead ass mouth? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1260] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 08-07-2014 10:21 PM Who's the wimp justifying people that murder children? Really? I like this thread. Let's play, raghead. Do you have ANY idea what it smells like when you drop from a 46 into a bunch of burning bodies you weren't expecting? No, you don't. You're an after the fact loser on the internet. Got e-balls and not much else. Ever seen a bunch of grown Marines cry? They didn't name that place "The Mile of Death" for no reason. We just called it payback. And we had very few prisoners. Now, you want to keep running your little raghead ass mouth? Several were here at the start of this very long thread. I believe now only a couple here still hoping to justify the cowardly acts of the Muslims. Jafar for sure and another that likes to do it "on the sly" my friend. Glad you like this thread amigo . -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1261] Author : LongTermGuy Date : 09-30-2014 10:17 PM Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ? `Yes...Islam is a Cult...and not a Religion...Real Religions have evolved...For anyone to think otherwise, they are not familiar with Islam or cults. There is a big difference between religions and cults. The basic difference is freedom. You are free to practice a religion if you choose. Free to go to church. Free not to go. This is not the case with Islam. This is because those who do not practice Islam in Islamic countries are put to death. There is a great deal of pressure to practice Islam in western countries as well. A cult isolates you from others. One of the first things a cult leader does is to get the cult members away from those who do not share beliefs of the cult. Cult members are often driven away from family members. The purpose is to make the cult member more dependent on the cult. This is how Islam works. Islam is not a religion, Islam is a cult. Islam teaches that those who do not follow Islam are enemies. Muslims are discouraged from socializing with those of other faiths. The Koran states that those who do not follow Islam are enemies and should be driven off. Violence is even advocated for non believers. This is another example of why Islam is not a religion. Islam is a cult. Another aspect about cults is that they get followers to do things that disturb others to force their cult on others. Most cult members are brainwashed so that they are totally under control by the cult. This is the reason why so many Muslims are willing to strap on a suicide vest and blow themselves up to take out as many non believers as possible. Regular religions do not advocate this type of violence or behavior. While a religion may ask that you give yourself to God, they do not ask that you do so wearing a suicide vest while killing innocent people. Or learn to fly a plane into buildings so that you can take out as many innocent lives as possible. No religion in the world advocates violence in the way that Islam does. **Those who defend Islam and make comparisons to Christianity, namely the crusades, do not realize that during the Crusades, that happened many centuries ago, it was convert or die. Again, this did not happen a few years ago, but in a time when people also killed the infirm and used leeches as a form of medicine. And people were given a choice to convert. This is not the case with Islam. You do not have a choice. Suicide bombers and terrorists kill all targets without issuing a choice of conversion. Even their own. Islam requires total and unquestioning devotion to the cult, to the point where women and children are encouraged to die as martyrs and kill innocents. Islam is a cult. It is hard to realize that Islam is not a religion because for years, we were told it was. An offshoot of Judaism and Christianity with all three religions being closely related. But as Islam has grown, its true colors have come out. Islam is not a religion, Islam is a cult` -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1262] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-30-2014 11:07 PM `Yes...Islam is a Cult...and not a Religion...Real Religions have evolved...For anyone to think otherwise, they are not familiar with Islam or cults. There is a big difference between religions and cults. The basic difference is freedom. You are free to practice a religion if you choose. Free to go to church. Free not to go. This is not the case with Islam. This is because those who do not practice Islam in Islamic countries are put to death. There is a great deal of pressure to practice Islam in western countries as well. A cult isolates you from others. One of the first things a cult leader does is to get the cult members away from those who do not share beliefs of the cult. Cult members are often driven away from family members. The purpose is to make the cult member more dependent on the cult. This is how Islam works. Islam is not a religion, Islam is a cult. Islam teaches that those who do not follow Islam are enemies. Muslims are discouraged from socializing with those of other faiths. The Koran states that those who do not follow Islam are enemies and should be driven off. Violence is even advocated for non believers. This is another example of why Islam is not a religion. Islam is a cult. Another aspect about cults is that they get followers to do things that disturb others to force their cult on others. Most cult members are brainwashed so that they are totally under control by the cult. This is the reason why so many Muslims are willing to strap on a suicide vest and blow themselves up to take out as many non believers as possible. Regular religions do not advocate this type of violence or behavior. While a religion may ask that you give yourself to God, they do not ask that you do so wearing a suicide vest while killing innocent people. Or learn to fly a plane into buildings so that you can take out as many innocent lives as possible. No religion in the world advocates violence in the way that Islam does. **Those who defend Islam and make comparisons to Christianity, namely the crusades, do not realize that during the Crusades, that happened many centuries ago, it was convert or die. Again, this did not happen a few years ago, but in a time when people also killed the infirm and used leeches as a form of medicine. And people were given a choice to convert. This is not the case with Islam. You do not have a choice. Suicide bombers and terrorists kill all targets without issuing a choice of conversion. Even their own. Islam requires total and unquestioning devotion to the cult, to the point where women and children are encouraged to die as martyrs and kill innocents. Islam is a cult. It is hard to realize that Islam is not a religion because for years, we were told it was. An offshoot of Judaism and Christianity with all three religions being closely related. But as Islam has grown, its true colors have come out. Islam is not a religion, Islam is a cult` There is no freedom in Islam and it allows it in no others when it can enforce that murdering creed! They are on the move worldwide and our nation --government refuses to openly tell us , to educate the populace instead it covers for them with crap like "workplace violence" terms and giving out its only the "radicals" when its a core uncompromising part of Islam-Jihad--the holiest cause to die for Allah , to slay infidels . Sorry just now saw your very fine post --I've been distracted while talking to a child elsewhere .. ;)-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1263] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-02-2014 07:28 AM http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Allah is #1, says this Religion of Peace enthusiast, who went on to behead a female co-worker in Oklahoma last week. His prophet did not generally behead women, however. Muhammad (peace be upon him) usually raped them after beheading their men and enslaving their children. Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29 2014.10.01 (Homs, Syria) - Several children are among over thirty souls obliterated when Sunnis set off two bombs near a Shiite school and hospital. 2014.10.01 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - Eight people are pulled into pieces by a Fedayeen suicide bomber. 2014.09.30 (Kobane, Syria) - Three women are among nine Kurds beheaded by the caliphate, which places the heads on display. 2014.09.29 (Michika, Nigeria) - At least forty people, including children and elderly, are reported dead following a 'merciless' Boko Haram attack on two small villages. 2014.09.29 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - A Shahid suicide bomber takes out seven civilians. 2014.09.28 (al-Baida, Yemen) - A Shiite family of six is exterminated by Ansar al-Sharia. The numbers again... 30+8+9+40+7+6= 100 murdered innocent people. Religion of Pieces strikes yet again.. I am confident that such could never happen here. O' wait a minute it just did.... Lady had her head cut completely off ...... O' wait, sorry that was "workplace violence" I see, government says so. No worries, be happy. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1264] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-14-2014 08:24 AM http://www.examiner.com/article/police-captain-punished-for-refusing-to-attend-muslim-brotherhood-linked-mosque Police captain punished for refusing to attend Muslim Brotherhood-linked mosque October 13, 2014 10:13 PM MST The city of Tulsa, Oklahoma, punished one of its own veteran police commanders for his refusal to attend a Muslim religious service being held at a mosque he said practiced radical Islamic dogma, according to court records. He also "dared" to refuse to order his officers to visit a mosque he alleges has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Capt. Fields' life became a raging storm simply because he refused to visit a mosque that allegedly has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Capt. Fields' life became a raging storm simply because he refused to visit a mosque that allegedly has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Courtesy of the Tulsa FOP Captain Paul Fields said he was told to participate in what he characterized as a "proselytizing" Islamic worship service and that he must also order the police officers under his command to also attend and participate in the service. As a result he was relieved of his command and was harassed by the Internal Affairs Division (IAD), a group called the "rat squad" by most American cops in a majority of law enforcement agencies. "Once some IAD squad begins to investigate you, even if you have an immaculate record as a cop, they dig until they find something that they can point to as being misconduct or corruption," said former police detective Sid Franes, who worked with a former IAD lieutenant in New York. "In Fields' case it appears they were claiming he was prejudiced against Muslims and he wasn't fit to lead police officers," Franes added. When Fields took legal action against his police department, it ended up before the federal judges who sat on the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals and the court upheld the punishment of Capt. Fields. In essence the court ruled that the decorated cop should have visited the mosque and brought his officers with him as he was ordered to do by the city's political leaders. "Here is another example of lawyers wearing black robes telling Americans what church services they must attend. Would they have ruled this way if it were a Muslim being ordered to attend and participate in a religious service at a Hindu temple? Or at a Catholic Cathedral? I think not," notes former police lieutenant and campus police chief Lloyd Herrington. "Fields was part of an object lesson to follow a politically-correct orthodoxy that's taking over the nation and its public and private sector institutions," Herrington said. Now Capt. Fields, with the help of a legal foundation that fights for constitutional rights, especially First Amendment rights, is aiming to take his legal battle to the U.S. Supreme Court. The Thomas Moore Law Center is providing Fields with pro-bono legal help in fighting not only a major city police department but also a federal court that has "lost its way" with a warped understanding of the U.S. Constitution and America values The law center's lead counsel, Richard Thompson, said in a statement: “This case is another startling example of applying a double standard when Christian civil rights are involved. If this were a Catholic or Protestant prayer event, I am positive no Muslim police officer would have been ordered to attend. Further, no federal court would have approved the punishment of a Muslim officer had he refused to attend.” The Muslim event was characterized as the mosque's Law Enforcement Appreciation Day, but it allegedly had nothing to do with appreciation of police officers. According to Fields' attorneys, Law Enforcement Appreciation Day involved the captain and his officers taking a tour of the mosque, attending a meeting with the mosque's leadership, attending the Muslim's weekly prayer service, acquainting the police officers with Islamic religious reading material, and lectures on Islamic beliefs. The event, which was scheduled for Friday, March 4, 2011, which the Islamic leaders said was a "holy day," was also going to familiarize the cops with a white-washed version of Mohammad's life as well as key elements of the Muslim religion and prayers. Originally, the police officers were asked to attend voluntarily, but the majority of officers refused the invitation. At that point the police were mandated to show up at the mosque. According to Thomas More attorneys and Capt. Fields, the mosque's clerics were clever in hiding their suspected radical-brand of Islam. For example, according to the law center, the same Muslim leaders had hosted a dinner to honor one of unindicted Imam Siraj Wahhaj co-conspirators involved in the 1993 bombing in New York City at the lower-level of the World Trade Center, that killed six people and injured many others. Fields and his legal team possess evidence that the same Siraj Wahhaj told Muslims in New Jersey in 1992, that he wished Muslims were cleverer politically so they could take over the United States and replace its Representative-Republic government with a caliphate and Shariah law................................... Think this man would be so very severely punished for refusing to attend a Christian church??? They are going to create a --"muslim card" to play just like the blacks have that false "race card" to play.... This is Obama's America folks, just like many of us stated was coming after the scum was sworn in. This is the standard now being set... Obama leads the way... check NASA FOR THAT .... I stated this was coming here in my thread titled , I Take My Stand, You---- I posted here 3 years ago. http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?36912-I-take-my-stand-you NOW WE SEE VERY CLEAR EVIDENCE OF IT AS I PREDICTED.-Tyr ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From my new thread here in the Current Events forum.. So obvious this examples clearly points to the validity of this extremely long thread ... Time proves things either right or wrong .. We can now see the proof of my opening post in this thread and how on the mark it was..-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1265] Author : indago Date : 10-16-2014 09:37 AM Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ? How about we outlaw ALL religions? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1266] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-16-2014 12:34 PM How about we outlaw ALL religions? Islam is a cult pretending to be a religion. It is quasi/political/military /"religious" ideology THAT wears a false cloak while it brainwashes hundreds of millions into believing Allah spoke to his favorite pervert child molester(Mohamboy) giving divine decrees to follow. Namely, murder non-believers or else convert/enslave them. http://markhumphrys.com/islam.killings.html •Tears of Jihad. He claims that Islam is the greatest killer of all time, worse than Christianity, fascism or communism. •Bill Warner interview, Feb 2007 (and copy) ◦ "First, let's see how ignorant we are about the history of political Islam. How many Christians can tell you how Turkey or Egypt became Islamic? What happened to the Seven Churches of Asia mentioned in Paul's letters? Find a Jew who can tell you the Jewish history of dhimmitude (second class citizens who serve Islam). What European knows that white women were the highest priced slaves in Mecca? Everyone knows how many Jews Hitler killed, but find an unbeliever who can tell you how many died in jihad over the last 1400 years." ◦ "Jihad destroyed a Christian Middle East and a Christian North Africa. Soon it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the Hindu to be the victims of jihad. The history of political Islam is the destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt, Turkey and North Africa. Half of Christianity was lost. Before Islam, North Africa was the southern part of Europe (part of the Roman Empire). Around 60 million Christians were slaughtered during the jihadic conquest. Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus killed. The first Western Buddhists were the Greeks descended from Alexander the Great's army in what is now Afghanistan. Jihad destroyed all of Buddhism along the silk route. About 10 million Buddhists died. The conquest of Buddhism is the practical result of pacifism. Zoroastrianism was eliminated from Persia. The Jews became permanent dhimmis throughout Islam. In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have died over the last 1400 years of jihad. Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school." Approximately 270 million humans murdered. Yet other sources state as low as 240 million murdered by Islam. Islam is now set to get nukes (Iran) how many millions more?????? Think about it America, your president is one of them.. He is helping Iran get nukes. A fact. --------------------------------------------- HOW ABOUT WE TARGET THE RIGHT ONE!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1267] Author : aboutime Date : 10-16-2014 03:31 PM How about we outlaw ALL religions? Great idea. Then....STUPIDITY will rule, for certain. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1268] Author : DLT Date : 10-25-2014 11:12 AM How about we outlaw ALL religions? Why? It is a basic human right to be able to 'believe' as you choose. Any religion that does not preach to its followers that lying and killing infidels or non-believers is fine and dandy should be no problem to anyone. When it goes too far and becomes, not a religion, but a political movement and a means to control the masses, then it's not technically a "religion". Christianity does not teach followers that they should lie to any non-Christians, because it's justified by God. It does not teach that Christians should go out and murder any infidels/non-believers. Quite the opposite, in fact. So what would the point of outlawing Christianity be? Other than handing the planet over to the evil aholes that are even now, as we speak, turning the world into one big cesspool (or trying to). Just my two cents. Oh....and welcome to the forum.:) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1269] Author : aboutime Date : 10-25-2014 03:17 PM How about we outlaw ALL religions? Who decides what IS, or ISN'T a religion? Athiests? If non-believers fear something they INSIST, does not exist. What would be a reason to outlaw anything they call religion...if it doesn't exist in the first place? So. What would be the logic in outlawing something some people claim...ISN'T? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1270] Author : BoogyMan Date : 10-25-2014 04:50 PM You can't ask people who are not patriots to come up with a patriotic plan. You can't ask people with no sense of sanity to come up with a sane response. You can't ask people who favor violent revenge to come up with a plan to answer violence. This from the person here who belongs to the party that hosts people who would kidnap and torture radio personalities because they disagree with them. (http://www.westernjournalism.com/nsfw-left-wing-tolerance-dealers-totally-contradict-racist-fantasies-torturing-rush-limbaugh/) This from the person whose party wants to silence political speech on the Internet. (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dems-on-fec-move-to-regulate-internet-campaigns-blogs-drudge/article/2555270) This from the person whose party tried to radically change the 1st amendment so that free speech is at the whim of congress. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/the-democrats-assault-on-free-speech-110641_Page2.html#.VEwacvnF914) This from the person whose party forced through legislation to take over health care in America based on nothing but lies and deception. Gabs, careful where you toss those rocks. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1271] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-28-2014 07:57 AM Currently Obama operates directly against the best interests of this nation in the majority of actions he takes. After spearheading the disaster now called Obamacare, he has repeatedly used Executive Orders to go around Congress to do things that Are Illegal and definitely not part of his Presidential duties. They are instead his personal political desires that he twists the authority of his office to institute. That is treason, not mere political hijinks or ineptness..... He should be impeached and tried for his treason!!!!!!! --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1272] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-28-2014 08:05 AM Our nations 7 top threats, not presented in any order of importance or magnitude. 1. Obama/Globalist agenda/New World Order 2. Islam 3. The Democrat Party 4. Illegal immigration/Amnesty 5. Totally inept Liberal/socialist styled Education System 6. Sold out media 7. Foreign nations, Russia, Iran, China, etc... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1273] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-01-2014 05:39 PM Read the opening to this thread and then look at this current situation-link provided. Seems my critics three years ago didn't have a clue and I was dead on the mark.. http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/muslim-caucus-says-islam-commands-all-muslims-to-vote-in-a-bloc/ Muslim Caucus in Washington Says Islam Commands All Muslims to Vote in a Bloc October 31, 2014 by Daniel Greenfield Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam. He is completing a book on the international challenges America faces in the 21st century. A little taste of the Islamization of America. Well that’s good news for democracy. You can see why Democrats want more Muslim immigrants. What’s better than a choice between a bloc vote and a beheading? The endorsements are flying ahead of next week’s D.C. general election, but only one group’s have come with a religious edict. That would be the endorsements of the D.C. Muslim Caucus, a group that is backing the Democratic nominees in the races on the D.C. ballot, plus independent at-large council candidate Elissa Silverman and two candidates in nonpartisan State Board of Education races. It is also urging a vote against Initiative 71, which would legalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana. What sets the Muslim Caucus apart isn’t the candidates it is backing but this sentence in the Monday news release announcing those endorsements: “According to Islamic tenets, Muslims participating in democratic elections are obligated to vote as a bloc based upon a consensus of the Muslim community.” Asked about that exhortation, Muslim Caucus spokesman Talib Karim offered two publications he said supported the view that followers of Islam should vote en bloc for favored candidates. One is a statement adopted by a council of Islamic legal scholars at a 2007 meeting of the Muslim World League in Mecca… No need to worry about Islamic Sharia law coming to America. I doubt the Washington Post would have written this up if they hadn’t called for voting against legal pot. It must be tough for liberals to choose between marijuana and political correctness. ALL in just three short years folks... ALL vote as a bloc and that vote goes to the Dems.. There is that unwritten alliance I spoke of long ago... --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1274] Author : red state Date : 11-01-2014 07:02 PM Tyr, as you well know......the Germans had such an alliance (as well as one they planned to use) but, instead, they got used AND ABUSED before it was all said and done. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1275] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-02-2014 12:54 PM Tyr, as you well know......the Germans had such an alliance (as well as one they planned to use) but, instead, they got used AND ABUSED before it was all said and done. Out future as a nation will soon see its greatest test ever. How we choose to meet that test will determine its survival. That test will erupt from internal division. And could very likely be during Obama term and from his deeds or even later but ,trust me, his foundation he is laying shall cause or allow it to eventually bear rotten fruit; for he is a destroyer--it is what he lives for--his hatred of the Western civilization , America, Israel and ALL we infidels (NON-MUSLIMS). I see him for exactly what he is..... Piss on anybody that does not , says this man.. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1276] Author : red state Date : 11-03-2014 07:03 PM Yeah...THEY are my (this Nation's) enemy #1 cuz THEY (not a OBL or a million muslums) are the ones who can, will and ARE causing the fall of this once GREAT Christian nation. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1277] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-08-2014 10:53 AM Britain falls if... --Tyr http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?47529-Britain-falls-if&p=713867#post713867 Britain falls within a decade if it does not deport every muslim there. I mean massive deportation and no mercy!! 100 a week will soon turn into a hundred a day and they damn sure will not catch them all in time to stop them. Check out my posts from 3,2 and 1 year ago citing this was going to happen to Britain and how fast it mushrooms after the ffing muslims get too much power in a nation. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...K-plots-a-week Terror cops smash 100 UK plots a week as British fanatic issues a beheading warning By Jerry Lawton / Published 17th October 2014 POLICE are carrying out 100 anti-terror operations- a-week in a bid to stave off Islamic State attacks in Britain, it was revealed last night. They have prevented “several” terrorism atrocities on the UK mainland in the past 10 months and made 218 arrests. Sixteen Brits who have returned from Syria have been charged with terrorist activity. Specialist police internet experts have removed 51,000 ‘illegal and deeply damaging’ websites aimed at recruiting jihadists. “Against an increasing operational tempo we are disrupting several attack plots a year” Mark Rowley, Scotland Yard assistant commissioner They are now shutting down 1,000 sites-a-week showing beheadings, torture and suicide bombings in a bid to lure Islamic extremists to the Middle East with the prospect of martyrdom. Last night police revealed they were probing the disappearance of 66 people reported missing by relatives who fear they have travelled to Syria to join IS. Intelligence agencies estimate the authorities have not been told about 500 more who have also made the trek. Scotland Yard assistant commissioner Mark Rowley, national policing lead for counter terrorism, said he was running “exceptionally high numbers” of investigations “the likes of which we have not seen for several years”. He added: “Against an increasing operational tempo we are disrupting several attack plots a year. These plots are of varied sophistication from individuals planning to carry out spontaneous yet deadly attacks to more complex conspiracies, almost all seemingly are either directed by or inspired by terrorism overseas. “The volume, range and pace of counter-terrorism activity has undergone a step-change. “Public safety is our number one priority and we will always focus our disruption activity against those posing the greatest and most imminent threat. Why? Why are they not arresting the murdering vermin when they come back into Britain there? Arrest , imprison or execute them.. Soon the world will wake up to the cancer called Islam.............. Yet that will be only after they use their first few nukes IMHO... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1278] Author : puma237 Date : 11-19-2014 11:25 AM Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts. Surely we that place such great value on justice and freedom can see that there can be absolutely no peace with Islam, with those so dedicated to destroying freedom and justice as we know it. Destroying it as our founders intended and created a governing magnificent document to guide. Should we fail to unite and arrive at that conclusion, create a proper plan of action and pursue it with determination we shall meet our destruction. For abandoning our integrity, honor and justice we shall pay a heavy price. One that few will dare admit because such tragedy is always the fate of others and we console ourselves with that old line of comforting thinking. Should we fail to act such tragedy may possibly be a just fate for a peoples that have betrayed the sacrifice of millions that gave us the most precious of blessings: Independence, freedom, Rule of law and Constitution.! Such a combination that was not only unique in the world but has since failed to be duplicated ! Should we abandone common sense, Rule of Law to follow the easier path of appeasement our choice made to avoid confronting our fears and our enemy shall almost certainly bring destruction for having renounced the gift that has been dearly bought with the blood, tears and treasure of countless Americans that have lived and died fighting the true fight. The good fight of justice over injustice , of good over evil and the happiness of having created and passed on a blessing beyond compare to future generations.. Rather than yield to complacency, indifference and shallow lusts of the times it may be wise to learn again how to fall to bended knee and asked for strength of mind , pureness of heart and justice defended by righteous blade and keen intellect! If you have no “blade” sell your costly toys to buy the best money can buy. For what good be such if in maintaining one looses their head? Ask not mercy and gifts from enemies with no honor but instead stand firm defend your life, your family and your country! For life often demands great sacrifice, think not and life will take that and more. The more being that which few can or will dare imagine but life cares not about our fears and failures. It is we that should care more about life! Care enough to stand against those that would murder our parents, enslave our children and exstinguish freedom and justice forever. Islam, shall not subjugate this great nation. Shall not if we face it without fear and with determination birthed from defending that which is good and right about our nation. The nation created to be the guiding light to the world. A Christian nation blessed by God and occupied by those brave enough to spill blood , blood of others as well as their own! -Tyr No link , my composition... so there it is. the core problem that faces the world is the same as it has been for over 500 years. Christians vs Islam. while you get all busy killing to prove who's superstition is the best, you may want to remember to keep an eye on the banksters. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1279] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-19-2014 01:42 PM so there it is. the core problem that faces the world is the same as it has been for over 500 years. Christians vs Islam. while you get all busy killing to prove who's superstition is the best, you may want to remember to keep an eye on the banksters. No thanks. The unprovoked killing being done is by them, the murdering is being done by them. I think I will keep my eye on them. Strange you ignore that fact and glance over it so effortlessly. I authored another very long thread reporting the activities of these scum and if you care to dispute the truth of that thread -then go for it. Either we deserve it and should be slaughtered or else they are the monsters. You cant have it both ways.. This is about their spreading their power and religion, bankers be damned.. Its religion not banking. They arent murdering people because of overdrafts.. Cutting off heads because of hot checks.. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1280] Author : Drummond Date : 11-20-2014 11:18 AM so there it is. the core problem that faces the world is the same as it has been for over 500 years. Christians vs Islam. while you get all busy killing to prove who's superstition is the best, you may want to remember to keep an eye on the banksters. 'Fascinating', this .... from your wording, do I understand that you see Christianity and Islam as 'the same' .... somehow ? And why use the word 'superstition' to describe BOTH ? Is your position one of outright dismissal of religions, just because they dare to BE such (i.e are you applying the blinkered mindset of automatic dismissal that comes from the arrogant rigidity of atheism) .. ?? On the second point ... how do you explain your existence (or anybody's) ? Is yours one of an 'I don't have any answers, so I'll reject everybody else's out of hand' philosophy ? But on the first point .... if you really see no difference between Christianity and Islam, perhaps you can fill in some gaps in my knowledge ? Can you supply me with, say .... A Christian equivalent to 9/11 ? A list of Christian terrorist groups, to rival those we hear of which follow and exist to further the cause of Islam ? A list of Christian instances of beheadings? Come to that .... ... a list of Islamists having been captured and held by Christian terrorists, to help blackmail Nation States into not trying to stop our incursions into foreign countries ? Does even the concept (an equivalent of it) of 'JIHAD' even so much as EXIST in Christianity ? I could go on. But, you see my point ? Islam is savagery, determined to achieve the widest possible domination of human affairs .. but achieved through savagery and in order to implement more of the same as a 'norm' in human affairs. Christianity is nothing of the kind, however. Christians do not seek world conquest, as Islamists do. What's more, we do not seek genocide against Israel ...... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1281] Author : puma237 Date : 11-20-2014 04:50 PM 'Fascinating', this .... from your wording, do I understand that you see Christianity and Islam as 'the same' .... somehow ? And why use the word 'superstition' to describe BOTH ? Is your position one of outright dismissal of religions, just because they dare to BE such (i.e are you applying the blinkered mindset of automatic dismissal that comes from the arrogant rigidity of atheism) .. ?? do I see Christianity and Islam as the same? in many ways, yes. of course there are obvious differences, but they are both faith based. I use the word superstition because it is an accurate objective description of any faith based philosophy. any dismissal, by me, of religion would not be automatic. I am a well experienced, catechized, confirmed, baptized, three times recruited to the pulpit veteran of Christianity. Therefore, not automatic, but well earned. I see that your knee jerked and caused you to spew out the word "atheism" with virtually no actual evidence to back it up. or perhaps you simply do not understand the meaning of "atheism". I have no problem with the concept of higher powers drum, it is religion that I have a righteous problem with.....not god. hopfully you do understand that religion an god are two entirely different things On the second point ... how do you explain your existence (or anybody's) ? Is yours one of an 'I don't have any answers, so I'll reject everybody else's out of hand' philosophy ? my corporeal existence is a breathtaking miracle. I reject nobodies philosophies until someone attempts to present theirs as the truth But on the first point .... if you really see no difference between Christianity and Islam, perhaps you can fill in some gaps in my knowledge ? Can you supply me with, say .... A Christian equivalent to 9/11 ? really? you seriously need help with that one? ok, off the top of my head: god nukes cities for partying too hard. god throws humanity out of paradise for seeking knowledge. thousands of "witches" drowned and burned alive by Christians. the Spanish inquisition. enough for now? I left out the crusades to attempt to avoid having to deal with Christian cognitive dissonance on the subject. not accusing you personally of this, just experience talking. A list of Christian terrorist groups, to rival those we hear of which follow and exist to further the cause of Islam ? other than Jesuit assassins, I would have to dig a bit. A list of Christian instances of beheadings? Come to that .... beheadings? not so much. equivalence? see burning and drowning above for starters. ... a list of Islamists having been captured and held by Christian terrorists, to help blackmail Nation States into not trying to stop our incursions into foreign countries ? don't have list, but gitmo is full of em. love the mention of our incursions into foreign countries being mentioned without so much as pause to consider the cause and effect ramifications in that Does even the concept (an equivalent of it) of 'JIHAD' even so much as EXIST in Christianity ? the crusades. I could go on. But, you see my point ? Islam is savagery, determined to achieve the widest possible domination of human affairs .. but achieved through savagery and in order to implement more of the same as a 'norm' in human affairs. go burn some more witches and, I dunno, torcher and murder some Templars or something, then get back to me on the savagery thing. Christianity is nothing of the kind, however. Christians do not seek world conquest, as Islamists do. joke, right? What's more, we do not seek genocide against Israel ...... just against islam. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1282] Author : jimnyc Date : 11-20-2014 05:07 PM Christians vs Islam. while you get all busy killing to prove who's superstition is the best[/B] Speaking currently, of our lives right now, recent past.... I wouldn't say "all" - as there really only seems to be one "superstition" out there killing in astronomical numbers. There have been over 20,000 terror attacks throughout the world since 9/11. Those accounted for hundreds of thousands of deaths. Then add in deaths for apostasy and other stupid petty crimes that Islam kills for. While there may have been killing by various religions, on a larger scale, over the last 500 years or so - only ONE religious group is killing in those huge numbers AND still has no sign of slowing, only increasing. So bring in other religions, or specifically Christianity - but the facts are that Christianity doesn't even come remotely close to the killing that Islam is delivering in this day and age. So rhetoric and superstitions aside, and looking solely at facts and numbers - it's a one way killing party for Islam. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1283] Author : puma237 Date : 11-20-2014 05:23 PM Speaking currently, of our lives right now, recent past.... I wouldn't say "all" - as there really only seems to be one "superstition" out there killing in astronomical numbers. There have been over 20,000 terror attacks throughout the world since 9/11. Those accounted for hundreds of thousands of deaths. Then add in deaths for apostasy and other stupid petty crimes that Islam kills for. While there may have been killing by various religions, on a larger scale, over the last 500 years or so - only ONE religious group is killing in those huge numbers AND still has no sign of slowing, only increasing. So bring in other religions, or specifically Christianity - but the facts are that Christianity doesn't even come remotely close to the killing that Islam is delivering in this day and age. So rhetoric and superstitions aside, and looking solely at facts and numbers - it's a one way killing party for Islam. I will give you the "in this day and age" thing. but we must remember that islam is younger than Christianity and still trying hard to catch up. overall, Christians are still way ahead in blood and mayhem. but them muslims are working hard, no doubt. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1284] Author : jimnyc Date : 11-20-2014 06:54 PM I will give you the "in this day and age" thing. but we must remember that islam is younger than Christianity and still trying hard to catch up. overall, Christians are still way ahead in blood and mayhem. but them muslims are working hard, no doubt. Lots of skeletons in all the closets. What really matters is how folks progress, and what they leave behind them. It's silly to hold them equal today - while only one group is out there creating this blood and mayhem. When such a huge percentage of Muslims are radicalized, and another huge number are killing, there's really not much to compare at all. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1285] Author : LongTermGuy Date : 11-20-2014 07:03 PM Lots of skeletons in all the closets. What really matters is how folks progress, and what they leave behind them. It's silly to hold them equal today - while only one group is out there creating this blood and mayhem. When such a huge percentage of Muslims are radicalized, and another huge number are killing, there's really not much to compare at all. Yup agree...it is what it is... Anyone who has a sound mind and is informed...Understands....Islam is *not like any Religion....In-fact...Islam is a cult of death and submission.... Hell ...even a dumb-ass should understand this... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1286] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-20-2014 07:04 PM I will give you the "in this day and age" thing. but we must remember that islam is younger than Christianity and still trying hard to catch up. overall, Christians are still way ahead in blood and mayhem. but them muslims are working hard, no doubt. Source, facts and numbers please for that broad accusation. -Tyr overall, Christians are still way ahead in blood and mayhem. Lets compare the real numbers that are gleaned by way of historic evidence. I contend that your accusation is blatantly false! I await your source and your numbers... ......-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1287] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-21-2014 09:21 AM Since you ignored my previous two replies to you I'll post my body count for Islam.--Tyr http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html May 31, 2014 The Greatest Murder Machine in History By Mike Konrad When one thinks of mass murder, Hitler comes to mind. If not Hitler, then Tojo, Stalin, or Mao. Credit is given to the 20th-century totalitarians as the worst species of tyranny to have ever arisen. However, the alarming truth is that Islam has killed more than any of these, and may surpass all of them combined in numbers and cruelty. The enormity of the slaughters of the "religion of peace" are so far beyond comprehension that even honest historians overlook the scale. When one looks beyond our myopic focus, Islam is the greatest killing machine in the history of mankind, bar none. The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. -- Will Durant, as quoted on Daniel Pipes site. Conservative estimates place the number at 80 million dead Indians. According to some calculations, the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate). -- Koenrad Elst as quoted on Daniel Pipes site 80 Million?! The conquistadors' crimes pale into insignificance at that number. No wonder Hitler admired Islam as a fighting religion. He stood in awe of Islam, whose butchery even he did not surpass. Over 110 Million Blacks were killed by Islam. ... a minumum of 28 Million African were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. Since, at least, 80 percent of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave market, it is believed that the death toll from 1400 years of Arab and Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been as high as 112 Millions. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the trans-Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 Million people. -- John Allembillah Azumah, author of The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa: A Quest for Inter-religious Dialogue Add just those two numbers alone together, and Islam has surpassed the victims of 20th-century totalitarianism. However, it does not end there. Add the millions who died at the hand of Muslims in the Sudan in our lifetime. Much of Islamic slavery was sexual in nature, with a preference for women. Those men who were captured were castrated. The mulatto children of the women were often killed, which explains why Islam was not demographically shifted towards the black race, unlike slaves in the West, who bore children to breed a mestizo class. Add in those dead children; and we arrive at well over 200 million. Remember that in the 7th century, North Africa was almost totally Christian. What happened to them? By the year 750, a hundred years after the conquest of Jerusalem, at least 50 percent of the world's Christians found themselves under Muslim hegemony… Today there is no indigenous Christianity in the region [of Northwest Africa], no communities of Christians whose history can be traced to antiquity.-- "Christianity Face to Face with Islam," CERC What happened to those Christian millions? Some converted. The rest? Lost to history. We know that over 1 million Europeans were enslaved by Barbary Pirates. How many died is anybody's guess. ...for the 250 years between 1530 and 1780, the figure could easily have been as high as 1,250,000 - BBC In the Middle Ages… …many slaves were passed through Armenia and were castrated there to fill the Muslim demand for eunuchs. -- Slavery in Early Medieval Europe. The same practice ran through Islamic Spain. North Europeans captured from raids up to Iceland, or purchased, were butchered in the castratoriums of Iberia. Many died from the operations that ran for centuries. The number of dead from the Muslim conquest of the Balkans and Southern Italy is unknown, but again the numbers add up, surely into the millions over the centuries. Don't forget the 1.5 million Armenian Christians killed by the Turks during WWI. We do know that over five centuries, vast numbers of Christian boys were kidnapped to become Islamic Janissary mercenaries for the Turks. Add those in, too. Muslims prized blonde women for their harems; and so enslaved Slavic women were purchased in the bazaars of the Crimean Caliphate. In Muslim Spain, an annual tribute of 100 Visigothic [blonde] women was required from Spain's Cantabrian coast. For decades, 100 virgins per year were required by the Muslim rulers of Spain from the conquered population. The tribute was only stopped when the Spaniards began fighting back -- Jihad: Islam's 1,300 Year War Against Western Civilisation Add in the death toll from the Reconquista and the numbers climb higher. Research has shown that the Dark Ages were not caused by the Goths, who eventually assimilated and Christianized: …the real destroyers of classical civilization were the Muslims. It was the Arab Invasions... which broke the unity of the Mediterranean world and turned the Middle Sea -- previously one of the world’s most important trading highways -- into a battleground. It was only after the appearance of Islam... that the cities of the West, which depended upon the Mediterranean trade for their survival, began to die. -- Islam Caused the Dark Ages Add in those unknown millions who died as a consequence. How many know the horrors of the conquest of Malaysia? The Buddhists of Thailand and Malaysia were slaughtered en masse. When attacked and massacred by the Muslims, the Buddhists initially did not make any attempt to escape from their murderers. They accepted death with an air of fatalism and destiny. And hence they are not around today to tell their story. – History of Jihad.org We may never know the numbers of dead. Add this all up. The African victims. The Indian victims. The European victims. Add in the Armenian genocide. Then add in the lesser known, but no doubt quite large number of victims of Eastern Asia. Add in the jihad committed by Muslims against China, which was invaded in 651 AD. Add in the Crimean Khanate predations on the Slavs, especially their women. Though the numbers are not clear, what is obvious is that Islam is the greatest murder machine in history bar none, possibly exceeding 250 million dead. Possibly one-third to one-half or more of all those killed by war or slavery in history can be traced to Islam; and this is just a cursory examination. Now consider the over 125 Million women today who have been genitally mutilated for Islamic honor's sake. In spite of what apologists tell you, the practice is almost totally confined to Islamic areas. New information from Iraqi Kurdistan raises the possibility that the problem is more prevalent in the Middle East than previously believed and that FGM is far more tied to religion than many Western academics and activists admit. – “Is Female Genital Mutilation an Islamic Problem?” ME Quarterly -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1288] Author : Drummond Date : 11-21-2014 11:28 AM just against islam. Answering within my own post (as you can see) doesn't work well for replies. A fuller reply to follow fairly soon - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1289] Author : puma237 Date : 11-21-2014 12:10 PM Yup agree...it is what it is... Anyone who has a sound mind and is informed...Understands....Islam is *not like any Religion....In-fact...Islam is a cult of death and submission.... Hell ...even a dumb-ass should understand this... and only a dumb-ass would. interesting how the 5 ton elephant in the room continues to go unnoticed. we invaded them. we stole their resources, maintain a military presence in their land and bomb the crap out of them on a regular basis. so, let us imagine that table being turned and the muslims have invaded us, bomb us and police us. your house is a burnt out rubble and half your family is dead. do you get down on your knees and pray to jehova to forgive them for their transgressions? be honest. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1290] Author : jimnyc Date : 11-21-2014 12:53 PM and only a dumb-ass would. interesting how the 5 ton elephant in the room continues to go unnoticed. we invaded them. we stole their resources, maintain a military presence in their land and bomb the crap out of them on a regular basis. so, let us imagine that table being turned and the muslims have invaded us, bomb us and police us. your house is a burnt out rubble and half your family is dead. do you get down on your knees and pray to jehova to forgive them for their transgressions? be honest. NONE of that changes what Islam has been for a LONG LONG time. Islam doesn't kill because of us, or kill people because of apostasy because of us, or kill children because of insults, or kill women for crying rape, or kill infidels, or want to dominate the middle east or the entire world. You state what we did to them - did we invade EVERY Islamic country for the past 500 years? Of course not. So why are the Islamic areas that we didn't invade, identical in their actions, which is killing and destruction? And you somehow want to compare to Christianity? Or absolve them and claim it's our fault for invading? And now comes the stealing of resources, the "war for oil" crap, as prices rose more than ever before during this time. Compare religions all you like. Lay blame all you like. NOTHING will make scum and murderers change into decent folks. Society has evolved over many years - one group of people have not, and prefer to live in a world of death and destruction. No matter how much you try, you simply cannot change the facts right in front of our faces. The 5 ton elephant would only get his head sliced off if this discussion were in an Islamic lead area. *** Please try and refrain from using bold letters in your responses. It actually makes it more difficult to read, especially in long threads with a lot of back and forth. Thanks! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1291] Author : Drummond Date : 11-21-2014 01:07 PM and only a dumb-ass would. interesting how the 5 ton elephant in the room continues to go unnoticed. we invaded them. we stole their resources, maintain a military presence in their land and bomb the crap out of them on a regular basis. so, let us imagine that table being turned and the muslims have invaded us, bomb us and police us. your house is a burnt out rubble and half your family is dead. do you get down on your knees and pray to jehova to forgive them for their transgressions? be honest. Don't worry - I'll get to my intended reply to you a little later. As for the above .... I have my own answer to offer. For starters .... the comparison you're making is ludicrous. IF (as I think you are) you're trying to go all the way back to the Crusades for the origin-point of the acrimony you're concerning yourself with ... well, how many CENTURIES does that involve ?? It's a bit like saying that all black people should, right now, form their own terrorism cells, or form their own army, to lock the US into perpetual civil war ... because they have suddenly dredged up a grudge against the slavery of the past. As for more recent events ... the 'invasions' and 'bombings' that have happened have not been, specifically, 'pro-Christian' actions. Rather - they've been defensive actions against Islamic terrorists. Those terrorists mandated the actions which followed BECAUSE of their terrorism - as a REACTION to it. Maybe Middle Eastern countries don't like to be bombed ! Nonetheless, the actions taken had to be, as anti-terrorist measures. And ask yourself ... how many terrorist sympathisers ARE actually what they ARE, because their RELIGION makes them such ? Terrorism has to be neutralised. It must be defeated. Unless ....you want to confer a so-called 'right' to terrorists, to murder and destroy innocents as they see fit ?? It's not a pretty world out there, and a disgusting savagery is making its mark in the service of a religion wanting global conquest. That MUST be stopped. One side or the other must ultimately win. If it isn't the West ... then the world has a new Dark Age in prospect. That's the simple truth of it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1292] Author : tailfins Date : 11-21-2014 01:40 PM I take my stand every time I wipe my rear end. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1293] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-21-2014 02:13 PM Since you ignored my previous two replies to you I'll post my body count for Islam.--Tyr Hey, muslim shill, are my replies too tough for you? You come to this thread I authored and make stupid statements, I call you on it and you run away by ignoring my replies. Yet this is the first confrontational post Ive made to you.. So back up your damn lies or else admit you are full of shit as CHRISTMAS TURKEY. I simply asked for your source and the numbers to be given to back up that rather bold lie.. Yet you hide and pretend I made no such request.. Who are you really?? I called you out and you run!! And do not try that shit You didn't see my replies or I'm not worth replying to. I authored this thread and you'd rather banter with others. why? Aren't you calling my views and contentions lies and mistakes? Why so happy to engage others? I myself view that as very cowardly.. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1294] Author : Drummond Date : 11-21-2014 04:22 PM just against islam. .. OK. Now to the full reply. You added to my post .. with (in red) ... 'Fascinating', this .... from your wording, do I understand that you see Christianity and Islam as 'the same' .... somehow ? And why use the word 'superstition' to describe BOTH ? Is your position one of outright dismissal of religions, just because they dare to BE such (i.e are you applying the blinkered mindset of automatic dismissal that comes from the arrogant rigidity of atheism) .. ?? 1] do I see Christianity and Islam as the same? in many ways, yes. of course there are obvious differences, but they are both faith based. I use the word superstition because it is an accurate objective description of any faith based philosophy. any dismissal, by me, of religion would not be automatic. I am a well experienced, catechized, confirmed, baptized, three times recruited to the pulpit veteran of Christianity. Therefore, not automatic, but well earned. I see that your knee jerked and caused you to spew out the word "atheism" with virtually no actual evidence to back it up. or perhaps you simply do not understand the meaning of "atheism". I have no problem with the concept of higher powers drum, it is religion that I have a righteous problem with.....not god. hopfully you do understand that religion an god are two entirely different things On the second point ... how do you explain your existence (or anybody's) ? Is yours one of an 'I don't have any answers, so I'll reject everybody else's out of hand' philosophy ? 2] my corporeal existence is a breathtaking miracle. I reject nobodies philosophies until someone attempts to present theirs as the truth But on the first point .... if you really see no difference between Christianity and Islam, perhaps you can fill in some gaps in my knowledge ? Can you supply me with, say .... A Christian equivalent to 9/11 ? 3] really? you seriously need help with that one? ok, off the top of my head: god nukes cities for partying too hard. god throws humanity out of paradise for seeking knowledge. thousands of "witches" drowned and burned alive by Christians. the Spanish inquisition. enough for now? I left out the crusades to attempt to avoid having to deal with Christian cognitive dissonance on the subject. not accusing you personally of this, just experience talking. A list of Christian terrorist groups, to rival those we hear of which follow and exist to further the cause of Islam ? 4] other than Jesuit assassins, I would have to dig a bit. A list of Christian instances of beheadings? Come to that .... 5] beheadings? not so much. equivalence? see burning and drowning above for starters. ... a list of Islamists having been captured and held by Christian terrorists, to help blackmail Nation States into not trying to stop our incursions into foreign countries ? 6] don't have list, but gitmo is full of em. love the mention of our incursions into foreign countries being mentioned without so much as pause to consider the cause and effect ramifications in that Does even the concept (an equivalent of it) of 'JIHAD' even so much as EXIST in Christianity ? 7] the crusades. I could go on. But, you see my point ? Islam is savagery, determined to achieve the widest possible domination of human affairs .. but achieved through savagery and in order to implement more of the same as a 'norm' in human affairs. 8] go burn some more witches and, I dunno, torcher and murder some Templars or something, then get back to me on the savagery thing. Christianity is nothing of the kind, however. Christians do not seek world conquest, as Islamists do. 9] joke, right? What's more, we do not seek genocide against Israel ...... My first observation has to be simply this: you are massively biased against Christianity ! Your objections to it reach WAY into the past .. and any Christian committing any of the actions you list belonged to a different age, a different world, from generations long since dead. By total comparison, Islam is committing its atrocities TODAY, IN THE MODERN WORLD. IN THE AGE OF GLOBAL MEDIA. IN THE AGE OF THE INTERNET, OF INSTANT GLOBAL COMMUNICATION. Christians, today, don't behave as Islamic terrorists EXULT in doing ... simple fact. Specific replies, corresponding to the numbers attributed to each of your comments:- 1]. Christianity is vastly different to Islam in many ways, not least the issue of history v current actions. You say that dismissal by you of a religion would not be automatic. Yet .. you give grounds for JUST such an automatic dismissal in your first comment ! You say 'superstition' is a word applying to any faith-based 'philosophy' .. but religions are founded on faith, and you see the religions you discuss as mere superstition. You are effectively dismissing all religions in that way, leaving no room for acceptance .. IF you mean what you say. As a point of debate, I'll take your correction of me in my labelling you as an atheist. OK .. so you say you have no trouble with accepting a higher power. THAT SAID .. you also seemingly have no way at all of relating to this. Beyond intellectually accepting the concept, what else can you possibly say for that belief ?? Do you have any concept of WHAT it is you believe in ? Any form of identification, kinship ? Any concept of anything beyond a raw, unformed idea about it ? Christians know right from wrong. Their religion addresses that. But how does any belief of YOURS do that for you ? I see no way that it can. For this reason .. and the identification / kinship aspect .. I say that, if you mean what you say, you're in the same essential position as that of an atheist, albeit one intellectually accepting a 'possibility' that atheists do not ... . 2]. You say .. I reject nobodies philosophies until someone attempts to present theirs as the truth. Well .. that's ridiculous. It's actually totally illogical. If you're going to reject any philosophy presented to you 'as truth', then your rejection of it cannot help but be automatic !!! I surely need not add to that. Your statement has no logic to it, other than a self-defeating one. 3]. I'm unaware of God using nuclear weapons, ever. I look forward to your proving otherwise (... did He get them wholesale, with a reasonable discount .. ??) ... and as for the rest of your comment, what truth it contains refers to practises and events from hundreds of years ago ... a bygone age. If this is the best you can do, then you're clutching at straws, trying to make historical happenings preposterously relevant to 'today' ... when, of course, they're nothing of the kind. 4]. Good luck with that digging .. 5]. A further reference to happenings from the dim and distant past ... at 'best'. 6]. Gitmo is indeed full of ISLAMIC TERRORISTS ... kept there by the American authorities, not least to keep them away from doing harm to others (.... not counting those Obama has traitorously released, of course !!). All Gitmo does is to testify to the proper vigilance against Islamic scum. As for 'incursions into foreign countries' ... what else do you suggest ? Leaving terrorist strongholds entirely ALONE ?? Leaving maverick regimes .. such as Saddam's .. ALONE ? Perhaps global security means nothing to you .. should terrorists do whatever they please, without 'ramifications' .. ?? 7]. You're really reaching with that one. A thousand years into the past, no less ?? And please ... identify from the Christian Bible its own mention of 'Jihad'. 8]. Yet more reaching into the dim and distant past for your examples. By comparison .. there's a thread on this forum which charts Islamic terrorism IN MODERN TIMES. You should check it out. 9]. No joke. There is no effort being made to convert Middle Eastern Islamic nations to Christianity. Compare that with the efforts being made on the Islamic side. Even discounting all the terrorism .. and Israel's plight .. consider Muslim conduct in foreign countries. ALWAYS the demand is there for greater and greater deference to Islamic worship and practices. It never ceases. What it DOES do, if allowed to, is reach such a pitch that, ultimately, it becomes the dominant force. This might interest you. Not historic ... but a story that is CURRENT news, in my country, RIGHT NOW .... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-30129645 Pupils at six small Muslim private schools in east London are at risk of extremist views and radicalisation, says Ofsted's chief inspector. Sir Michael Wilshaw said the pupils' "physical and educational welfare is at serious risk" following a series of emergency inspections. He said all the schools focused too heavily on Islamic teachings. One of the schools called Ofsted "unprofessional", while another said its findings did not reflect reality. Education Secretary Nicky Morgan says the schools will be closed down if changes are not made quickly. This is NOT the only story of its kind. Just months ago, I posted about an equivalent situation happening elsewhere in the UK. Now, can you post for me an example of Christians doing this in a Muslim country .. trying to subvert the country concerned .. ? I think not. But still, try to prove me wrong if you can. And while you're at it, try dispensing with your obvious prejudice against Christianity. Your attempts to 'equivalise' it with Islam were, frankly, just pathetic. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1295] Author : LongTermGuy Date : 11-21-2014 04:42 PM and only a dumb-ass would. interesting how the 5 ton elephant in the room continues to go unnoticed. we invaded them. we stole their resources, maintain a military presence in their land and bomb the crap out of them on a regular basis. so, let us imagine that table being turned and the muslims have invaded us, bomb us and police us. your house is a burnt out rubble and half your family is dead. do you get down on your knees and pray to jehova to forgive them for their transgressions? be honest. `You sound like you are very left leaning....and always blaming America....Your empty very familiar sounding simplistic "talking-point" comment above is ridiculous and not worth responding to `in detail`... Either you need to do much more research...or your Blocking everything out intentionally.` -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1296] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-22-2014 06:21 PM `You sound like you are very left leaning....and always blaming America....Your empty very familiar sounding simplistic "talking-point" comment above is ridiculous and not worth responding to `in detail`... Either you need to do much more research...or your Blocking everything out intentionally.` Comes to this thread, I authored and hold dear, then refuses to respond to my initial queries . Then attacks more the premise of this thread and runs more from my refutations. I see cowardice but that's just me. Seems eager to respond to others but my style of refuting such stupidity with truth,( facts backed with multiple links) apparently scares the hell out of this puma. A leftist tactic, run away, come back while ignoring the refutations as if they are ancient history and thus irrelevant. I do not let the leftists/libs play that game on me. I call 'em on it every damn time! Just as I am now doing to this puma.. Nobody gets to attack my comments on this long thread with impunity. I still want him to give the source and the specific numbers that he maintains prove his stupid and false accusations against Christians.. He made it so very boldly but runs cowardly when asked to prove it or give source and specific numbers backed by historic facts to back the damn lie up!! Nor has this hit and run member offered any refutation to the murdering and evil acts in this very long thread.. http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37131-Most-recent-muslim-terrorist-attacks ^^^^^ I suspect that's why the running from my comments came to be.. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1297] Author : aboutime Date : 11-22-2014 06:31 PM Comes to this thread, I authored and hold dear, then refuses to respond to my initial queries . Then attacks more the premise of this thread and runs more from my refutations. I see cowardice but that's just me. Seems eager to respond to others but my style of refuting such stupidity with truth,( facts backed with multiple links) apparently scares the hell out of this puma. A leftist tactic, run away, come back while ignoring the refutations as if they are ancient history and thus irrelevant. I do not let the leftists/libs play that game on me. I call 'em on it every damn time! Just as I am now doing to this puma.. Nobody gets to attack my comments on this long thread with impunity. I still want him to give the source and the specific numbers that he maintains prove his stupid and false accusations against Christians.. He made it so very boldly but runs cowardly when asked to prove it or give source and specific numbers backed by historic facts to back the damn lie up!! Nor has this hit and run member offered any refutation to the murdering and evil acts in this very long thread.. ^^^^^ I suspect that's why the running from my comments came to be.. --Tyr LongTerm, and Tyr. Something we should always remember is. When the use of NAME CALLING begins here. There's probably a very Miserable Liberal using the tactic to distract attention from their lack of intelligence. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1298] Author : Drummond Date : 11-23-2014 12:13 PM `You sound like you are very left leaning....and always blaming America....Your empty very familiar sounding simplistic "talking-point" comment above is ridiculous and not worth responding to `in detail`... Either you need to do much more research...or your Blocking everything out intentionally.` I agree, 'LongTermGuy' - 'Puma' comes across as Left wing. Given that this is the case, I don't see that Tyr had much room to expect more from this individual than he's 'got' ... after all, Tyr, when you're dealing with Lefties, you're dealing with individuals that cannot stray appreciably from the 'Party Line' - they DARE not. So ... anything he'd have difficulty in answering, he simply WON'T answer. Perhaps the most telling characteristic of the lot, where Lefties are concerned, is that they'll do whatever it takes to avoid conceding anything at all. They will NEVER admit when they're wrong. To do that risks the unravelling of whatever shaky threads of reason underpin what they advocate. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1299] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-23-2014 12:35 PM I agree, 'LongTermGuy' - 'Puma' comes across as Left wing. Given that this is the case, I don't see that Tyr had much room to expect more from this individual than he's 'got' ... after all, Tyr, when you're dealing with Lefties, you're dealing with individuals that cannot stray appreciably from the 'Party Line' - they DARE not. So ... anything he'd have difficulty in answering, he simply WON'T answer. Perhaps the most telling characteristic of the lot, where Lefties are concerned, is that they'll do whatever it takes to avoid conceding anything at all. They will NEVER admit when they're wrong. To do that risks the unravelling of whatever shaky threads of reason underpin what they advocate. So true my friend. This hit and run posting being done by puma is not for me as it reveals both cowardice and ignorance. This person has very little honor in my opinion for posting in this manner , reveals a lack of honesty, integrity and knowledge. It does however reveal a hatred for Christianity without just cause and certainly without any logical reasoning behind taking that erroneous stand. Lack of faith is one thing but hatred and ignorance used in his bias presents a much deeper picture of stupidity in my opinion. And cowardice too, since this new member attacks this thread, my views and refuses to even engage or answer my, at first, very polite inquiries. Now that I see the deception going on, I have no reason to be polite. I call it exactly like I see it.. He/she(?), very welcome to engage me with discussion but I think his/her(?) fear and ignorance will prevent that from happening. Although it lumped Islam in with its disdain in one comment, I suspect the true target is Christianity which leads me to believe its either a muslim or a muslim appeaser at work. And that because this person went after Christianity and dropped anything critical of the true evil-Islam!!! --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1300] Author : Drummond Date : 11-23-2014 03:20 PM So true my friend. This hit and run posting being done by puma is not for me as it reveals both cowardice and ignorance. This person has very little honor in my opinion for posting in this manner , reveals a lack of honesty, integrity and knowledge. It does however reveal a hatred for Christianity without just cause and certainly without any logical reasoning behind taking that erroneous stand. Lack of faith is one thing but hatred and ignorance used in his bias presents a much deeper picture of stupidity in my opinion. And cowardice too, since this new member attacks this thread, my views and refuses to even engage or answer my, at first, very polite inquiries. Now that I see the deception going on, I have no reason to be polite. I call it exactly like I see it.. He/she(?), very welcome to engage me with discussion but I think his/her(?) fear and ignorance will prevent that from happening. Although it lumped Islam in with its disdain in one comment, I suspect the true target is Christianity which leads me to believe its either a muslim or a muslim appeaser at work. And that because this person went after Christianity and dropped anything critical of the true evil-Islam!!! --Tyr Seems to me that you're describing a fairly typical Leftie, Tyr. One that tries us on, but cannot counter with any great substance. One with, perhaps (I suspect), a secular mission, but is unused to being questioned to any great degree ? Such individuals are rather sad, in my opinion. Full of their own blinkered ideas, not being able to vary from them when tested. This is why Conservatives are so very much better suited to facing, and dealing with, the REAL world in REAL terms. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1301] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 11-29-2014 03:11 PM http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/islamism_islamofascism_and_islam.html November 25, 2014 Islamism, Islamofascism, and Islam By G. Murphy Donovan Words matter. Alas, neologisms come into the language all the time, especially when the drama index is high. Ironically, polemicists on the Right and Left abhor words like Islamism. Liberals think the word unfairly links radicals or terrorists with religion. Some on the Left, team Obama for example, would have you believe that mayhem in Mohamed’s name has nothing to do with Islam, a little like claiming that the Crusades were sponsored by Rotarians. The thought police at the White House, at CIA, and even at the Associated Press have stricken words like Islamism from their vocabularies by fiat. The Left traditionally believes that candor, or the action that truth might require, will make a problem worse. Appeasement is an honored liberal idiom. Conservatives, on the other hand, suspect the “ism” is a hedge, a reluctance to call a spade a spade. Some on the Right would have you believe that Islam and its adherents are coherent; a kind of terror, rhetoric, and religious monolith. Here ends are confused with means. The objective of imperial Islam may be monoculture. Yet, with 1.5 billion followers, realities will always be at odds with utopian dreams. The Shia/Sunni schism, for example, has plagued the Ummah for 1300 years. To suggest that all Muslims are militant radicals or terrorists is a little like confusing the bulls with the dairy cows. Arabs, Muslims, and the Islamic Press use words like Islamism. Why is that? Islamism, as opposed to Islam, suggests movement and militancy. You might think of Islamists as Muslim crusaders. Such distinctions are self-evident when militants are parsed from the so-called “moderate” majority. That majority in turn are happy to be separated from the swords, shooters, and beards. Unfortunately, these asserted distinctions do nothing to moderate the menace. If only ten percent of Muslims (150 million) are militant, then the threat is substantial by any measure. Icon translation: “I have been ordered by Allah to fight against the people until they testify….” Neologisms are born when ordinary language fails to capture a phenomenon or an idea. Terms like Islamism and “Islamofascism” fill a void of meaning. Yes, the majority are not terrorists. They are worse! Passive aggressors might be a better description for most of the silent Muslim majority. How many Russians were Communists and how many Germans were Nazis in the beginning? The numbers never have to be large. Militancy and terror are usually a minority and minorities still prevail. A kinetic vanguard can always depend on the silence and apathy of majorities. The Islamist menace is no different today. Indeed, the propagandists and the swords are the lesser of two evils. We know what they believe, what they fight for, and we see what they do on a daily basis. Militants make no secret of their Islamic motivation. Whatever the number of radicals, they will never be as numerous, or as guilty, as the larger Ummah which is routinely disingenuous, routinely apathetic, routinely absolved, routinely hypocritical, and routinely given a pass on accountability. Most Americans and Europeans believe that most Muslims are innocents. How is this different than what most Muslims believe? Sadly, the great crimes of any century are more a function of apathy and appeasement, and less a product of militancy. Apathy and denial about the Islamism problem is as much a problem in the West as it is in the East. A malignant force, once set in motion, tends to stay in motion unless confronted by an equal or superior force (hat tip to Isaac). The real strength of Islamists is the apathy of 57 Muslim nations worldwide, a sixth of the world’s population. Islamofascism is an Ummah community problem. The progressive West cannot save the Islamic East from itself. Calling Islamists criminals, militants, radicals, fundamentalists, or even terrorists might be necessary but not sufficient. These are half-truths, euphemisms at best. Proselytizers, apologists, and jihadists must also be linked precisely, directly, and routinely to the ideology that motivates them. Without motive, crime or any barbarity would not be a problem. That culture is Islam! Culture is the primary culprit midst James Clapper’s “nefarious” characters. So let’s be clear when we speak of the enemy. With the Muslim wars, there are probably three relevant semantic distinctions to be made. Islam is the big tent phenomenon, for the most part an apathetic, apologetic, passive, or mostly bovine majority. Islamists are the proselytizing militants or financiers, missionaries, domestic or immigrant activists who believe they act in the name of a “great” religion. Islamofascists are the kinetic Muslims, those who oppress or kill in the name of Mohamed, the Koran, or imperial Islam. The terms are related, but not necessarily interchangeable.* The necessity to distinguish militants from moderates is not trivial. The so-called moderate is the more difficult problem, numerically and ideologically. Islamism is in the end a philosophical, political, religious, now kinetic, quest to reverse the vector of Emanuel Kant’s optimism. There is more than a little evidence to support the irredentist world view. The passage of time is not progress. The vector of history moves forward -- or backwards. Contemporary Islamism is a very large sanguinary bet on door number two, the recidivist option. And yes, Islamists claim that their aggression is actually defense, a victim’s posture. Let’s allow that historical delusion. Muslim scholars and clerics have been looking to the past in search of the future for centuries. Recidivism, yea political immaturity, is the fatal flaw of all utopians, especially fascists. There is no question that imperial Islam will fail -- implode or be defeated. The question is how much masochism, denial, and damage the Ummah and the civilized world will endure before that day arrives. Unfortunately, the predicate of all fascism, religious or secular, is coercion. ISIS and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi are the logical products of Islamism unchallenged. ……………. *Some of the best defense for terms like Islamism and Islamofascism often comes, ironically, from serious writers on the American Left. See Christopher Hitchens seminal essay in Slate or almost anything written by Paul Berman on the subject. G. Murphy Donovan writes about the politics of national security Words matter. Alas, neologisms come into the language all the time, especially when the drama index is high. Ironically, polemicists on the Right and Left abhor words like Islamism. Liberals think the word unfairly links radicals or terrorists with religion. Some on the Left, team Obama for example, would have you believe that mayhem in Mohamed’s name has nothing to do with Islam, a little like claiming that the Crusades were sponsored by Rotarians. The thought police at the White House, at CIA, and even at the Associated Press have stricken words like Islamism from their vocabularies by fiat. The Left traditionally believes that candor, or the action that truth might require, will make a problem worse. Appeasement is an honored liberal idiom. Conservatives, on the other hand, suspect the “ism” is a hedge, a reluctance to call a spade a spade. Some on the Right would have you believe that Islam and its adherents are coherent; a kind of terror, rhetoric, and religious monolith. Here ends are confused with means. The objective of imperial Islam may be monoculture. Yet, with 1.5 billion followers, realities will always be at odds with utopian dreams. The Shia/Sunni schism, for example, has plagued the Ummah for 1300 years. To suggest that all Muslims are militant radicals or terrorists is a little like confusing the bulls with the dairy cows. Arabs, Muslims, and the Islamic Press use words like Islamism. Why is that? Islamism, as opposed to Islam, suggests movement and militancy. You might think of Islamists as Muslim crusaders. Such distinctions are self-evident when militants are parsed from the so-called “moderate” majority. That majority in turn are happy to be separated from the swords, shooters, and beards. Unfortunately, these asserted distinctions do nothing to moderate the menace. If only ten percent of Muslims (150 million) are militant, then the threat is substantial by any measure. Neologisms are born when ordinary language fails to capture a phenomenon or an idea. Terms like Islamism and “Islamofascism” fill a void of meaning. Yes, the majority are not terrorists. They are worse! Passive aggressors might be a better description for most of the silent Muslim majority. How many Russians were Communists and how many Germans were Nazis in the beginning? The numbers never have to be large. Militancy and terror are usually a minority and minorities still prevail. A kinetic vanguard can always depend on the silence and apathy of majorities. The Islamist menace is no different today. Indeed, the propagandists and the swords are the lesser of two evils. We know what they believe, what they fight for, and we see what they do on a daily basis. Militants make no secret of their Islamic motivation. Whatever the number of radicals, they will never be as numerous, or as guilty, as the larger Ummah which is routinely disingenuous, routinely apathetic, routinely absolved, routinely hypocritical, and routinely given a pass on accountability. Most Americans and Europeans believe that most Muslims are innocents. How is this different than what most Muslims believe? Sadly, the great crimes of any century are more a function of apathy and appeasement, and less a product of militancy. Apathy and denial about the Islamism problem is as much a problem in the West as it is in the East. A malignant force, once set in motion, tends to stay in motion unless confronted by an equal or superior force (hat tip to Isaac). The real strength of Islamists is the apathy of 57 Muslim nations worldwide, a sixth of the world’s population. Islamofascism is an Ummah community problem. The progressive West cannot save the Islamic East from itself. Calling Islamists criminals, militants, radicals, fundamentalists, or even terrorists might be necessary but not sufficient. These are half-truths, euphemisms at best. Proselytizers, apologists, and jihadists must also be linked precisely, directly, and routinely to the ideology that motivates them. Without motive, crime or any barbarity would not be a problem. That culture is Islam! Culture is the primary culprit midst James Clapper’s “nefarious” characters. So let’s be clear when we speak of the enemy. With the Muslim wars, there are probably three relevant semantic distinctions to be made. Islam is the big tent phenomenon, for the most part an apathetic, apologetic, passive, or mostly bovine majority. Islamists are the proselytizing militants or financiers, missionaries, domestic or immigrant activists who believe they act in the name of a “great” religion. Islamofascists are the kinetic Muslims, those who oppress or kill in the name of Mohamed, the Koran, or imperial Islam. The terms are related, but not necessarily interchangeable.* The necessity to distinguish militants from moderates is not trivial. The so-called moderate is the more difficult problem, numerically and ideologically. Islamism is in the end a philosophical, political, religious, now kinetic, quest to reverse the vector of Emanuel Kant’s optimism. There is more than a little evidence to support the irredentist world view. The passage of time is not progress. The vector of history moves forward -- or backwards. Contemporary Islamism is a very large sanguinary bet on door number two, the recidivist option. And yes, Islamists claim that their aggression is actually defense, a victim’s posture. Let’s allow that historical delusion. Muslim scholars and clerics have been looking to the past in search of the future for centuries. Recidivism, yea political immaturity, is the fatal flaw of all utopians, especially fascists. There is no question that imperial Islam will fail -- implode or be defeated. The question is how much masochism, denial, and damage the Ummah and the civilized world will endure before that day arrives. Unfortunately, the predicate of all fascism, religious or secular, is coercion. ISIS and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi are the logical products of Islamism unchallenged. Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/islamism_islamofascism_and_islam.html#ixzz3KURwsptx Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1302] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-25-2014 09:26 AM Here is another great new site that reveals the truth about the cult that seeks to enslave or murder every non-muslim in the world!!!-Tyr http://www.barenakedislam.com/ By BareNakedIslam • Posted in Religion of Hate Dec 24 2014 AUSTRIA: Muslim cuts down figure of Jesus on a cross because he considered in an “eyesore” An Egyptian Muslim man who moved into a house in Grossenzersdorf in Lower Austria told his neighbors the 60-year-old figure of Jesus on a cross outside his home was an “eyesore” – so he decided to cut it down with an angle grinder. 4fc56d3222b55f28618e6a270f522149d9d53bb941e3a5088edb3458688c500e The Local (h/t TROP) Shortly after the man bought the house in Augasse, he was heard complaining to his neighbors about the two-metre high crucifix with the figure of Jesus that stood for several decades on the grass verge in front of his property. “I don’t want that. It has to go,” he said, according to a report in the news daily Heute. Soon, during renovations to his house, he had access to an angle grinder, so he simply cut it down, slightly damaging the Jesus figure in the process. His neighbors weren’t happy. Local mayor Hubert Tomsic of the socialist Christian Democrats (SPÖ) said “I had a conversation with the man about repositioning the cross at a different location in the alley – at his expense.” Tomsic said that such a ‘radical’ response to the common Christian symbol was offensive, and inflammatory. The right-wing Austrian People’s Party (ÖVP) said on Monday that they have lodged a complaint with the police for criminal damage, and denigration of religious teachings. image1 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1303] Author : Jeff Date : 12-25-2014 09:55 AM Here is another great new site that reveals the truth about the cult that seeks to enslave or murder every non-muslim in the world!!!-Tyr Sounds like a great site to show what murdering scum Muslims really are, yes there are some that to them they don't understand the religion they just now that is what they where born as ( yes I had a friend of mine that was just as I described, now he may understand it I am sure but he is not violent at all, I would consider him just a good old dude that doesn't practice any religion ) WE have many like my buddy then we have the ones in prison that there basic belief is the white man is the devil and then the terrorist who just want to kill anyone that isn't Muslim !! Someone needs to inform everyone but some are too dense to understand no matter how many sites ya have. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1304] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-01-2015 09:43 PM http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/12/the_dupe_of_islam.html January 1, 2015 The Dupe of Islam By Richard Butrick The real face of Islam is a peaceful religion based on the dignity of all human beings. It’s one where Muslim communities are leading the fight against poverty. It’s one where Muslim communities are providing basic healthcare and emergency assistance on the front lines of some of our most devastating humanitarian crises. And it is one where Muslim communities are advocating for universal human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the most basic freedom to practice one’s faith openly and freely. freely. If the likes of ISIS, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabaab, the Taliban, and Hamas are not following real Islam then what are they following? Unreal Islam? And passages like the following from the Koran, how are they to be explained away? Sura 2:193: "fight against them until Allah's religion reigns supreme." Sura 8:39: "make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme." Sura 3:151: "We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve [or "infidels"] for what they have associated with Allah [reference to Christian Trinity] of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers." Sura 8:12: "When the Lord inspired the angels [saying to them], ‘I am with you; so make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite their necks and smite of them each finger’." The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) released its 2012 Annual Report, in which more than 16 nations were designated as “countries of particular concern” (CPC) for their flagrant and consistent human and religious rights violations. They include Iran (2 -- just behind North Korea); Pakistan (3); Egypt (4); and Saudi Arabia (6). Of Iran the report states, “Christian persecution, particularly for Muslim converts, has steadily intensified in Iran in recent years, where many Christians suffer from societal ostracism, discrimination, and abuse. Because Islamic law is strictly observed in Iran -- a country that has boasts the highest population of Shi’a Muslims in the world -- the court system even reserves the right to execute male apostates and impose a life sentence on female apostates. Nearly all Christian activity, including proselytizing and Bible publishing, is illegal in Iran Does this not then mean that Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia are not following real Islam since real Islam supports “the most basic freedom to practice one’s faith openly and freely”? This would be all quite funny if the Dupe of Islam were not shaping U.S. foreign policy. This is a propaganda war as well as guns and bullets war. The Honorable Secretary of State, John Kerry, has been co-opted in the propaganda war at the outset. He has failed the basic first step articulated by Sun Tzu in The Art of War -- know thine enemy. With his leadership in concert with the rest of the president’s inner circle the U.S. and the West will be crucified on the cross of Islamophilia. This would be all quite funny if the Dupe of Islam were not shaping U.S. foreign policy. This is a propaganda war as well as guns and bullets war. The Honorable Secretary of State, John Kerry, has been co-opted in the propaganda war at the outset. He has failed the basic first step articulated by Sun Tzu in The Art of War -- know thine enemy. With his leadership in concert with the rest of the president’s inner circle the U.S. and the West will be crucified on the cross of Islamophilia. Obama put in another leftist traitor to do his bidding.. Always Obama places people to catch the bullet should one be fired.. Its never laid at his feet--he always has semi-plausible deniability. At least plausible to idiots, asshats, fools, liberals ,dems and other stinking vermin!--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1305] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 04-15-2015 09:38 AM http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/570450/Convicted-robber-FREE-Taliban-threat-young-poppy-seller-court-case OUTRAGE as man who told 12-year-old poppy seller he would be shot by Taliban goes free A JUDGE has sparked outrage after he freed a Muslim who threatened to have a 12-year-old Army cadet selling poppies “shot by the Taliban.” By ANIL DAWAR PUBLISHED: 16:41, Tue, Apr 14, 2015 | UPDATED: 15:30, Wed, Apr 15, 2015 Convicted armed robber Adelso Saws skipped out of court with a suspended sentence despite being found guilty of threatening the terrified Army cadet ahead of Remembrance Sunday last year. It is the second time in three months that thugs who have threatened young Army cadets have escaped jail terms. In February, unemployed Romanian Marius Dura, 26, was handed a six-week suspended sentence despite admitting telling two girl cadets he was going to “chop their heads off”. News of the latest slap-on-the-wrist punishment prompted anger yesterday. Gerard Batten of Ukip said: “This sentence is far too lenient for someone with such a serious previous conviction. “His 12-year-old victim was supporting our magnificent Armed Forces and represents the decent people of this country who should be allowed to go about their business without these hideous kinds of threats. “This man should have been made an example of and given a stiff jail sentence.” Details of the “disturbing and frightening” incident were spelled out during a one-day trial at North East Derbyshire and Dales Magistrates Court this week. Saws, 34, from Kilburn in Derbyshire, spotted two Army cadets selling poppies outside a supermarket in nearby Belper on October 25 last year ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yet another reason why I take my stand here and now in our country. Britain can be lead to do crap like this to appease the stinking muzzies so can and will we, some future day !-Tyr These animals are relentless and never stop with their agenda, not even for a minute. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1306] Author : Gunny Date : 04-21-2015 06:01 PM Sounds like a great site to show what murdering scum Muslims really are, yes there are some that to them they don't understand the religion they just now that is what they where born as ( yes I had a friend of mine that was just as I described, now he may understand it I am sure but he is not violent at all, I would consider him just a good old dude that doesn't practice any religion ) WE have many like my buddy then we have the ones in prison that there basic belief is the white man is the devil and then the terrorist who just want to kill anyone that isn't Muslim !! Someone needs to inform everyone but some are too dense to understand no matter how many sites ya have. Sorry Jeff, but I have to kinda laugh at this. Reverse the psychology. This Nation was born by committing treason and acts of terrorism against our King and his army. We were fighting to win. Sherman and Grant were terrorists. Phil Sheridan was terrorist. The US waged wars of attrition to get what it wanted, whatever the price. We peaked in WWII. Except for the First Gulf War, we haven't won anything clean since then. Idealists need to stifle some of the idealism and add some realism into the equation. We're weak. We have forgotten how to win, and every superiority we have we lose daily as they grow stronger and we sit on our thumbs. They're fighting to win at all costs and we aren't. They're using what offends us most as a weapon which prompts a rebuke in the media. Big deal. It's like they read Ho Chi Mihn's handbook on how to beat us. They're beating us at home because pussies won't take a stand. We have the capability to take out ISIS in 3 months. But we're" "civilized". We can't hurt civilians. Doesn't matter the longer we do nothing the more civilians die anyway. War IS Hell. I'd rather fight it in THEIR sandbox than on my street. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1307] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 04-21-2015 06:18 PM Sorry Jeff, but I have to kinda laugh at this. Reverse the psychology. This Nation was born by committing treason and acts of terrorism against our King and his army. We were fighting to win. Sherman and Grant were terrorists. Phil Sheridan was terrorist. The US waged wars of attrition to get what it wanted, whatever the price. We peaked in WWII. Except for the First Gulf War, we haven't won anything clean since then. Idealists need to stifle some of the idealism and add some realism into the equation. We're weak. We have forgotten how to win, and every superiority we have we lose daily as they grow stronger and we sit on our thumbs. They're fighting to win at all costs and we aren't. They're using what offends us most as a weapon which prompts a rebuke in the media. Big deal. It's like they read Ho Chi Mihn's handbook on how to beat us. They're beating us at home because pussies won't take a stand. We have the capability to take out ISIS in 3 months. But we're" "civilized". We can't hurt civilians. Doesn't matter the longer we do nothing the more civilians die anyway. War IS Hell. I'd rather fight it in THEIR sandbox than on my street. "They're beating us at home because pussies won't take a stand. We have the capability to take out ISIS in 3 months. But we're" "civilized". We can't hurt civilians. Doesn't matter the longer we do nothing the more civilians die anyway. War IS Hell. I'd rather fight it in THEIR sandbox than on my street." ^^^^^^ Yet those of us that DEMAND that our government actually start fighting to win are called extremists and hate filled bigots ,etc... Unless one has a revolution all we as citizens can do is express our views and try to inform others of what is so wrong ABOUT THE LIBERAL GUILT AND COWARDICE INFECTING THIS NATION IMHO. I have previously pointed out how fast our military could take out ISIS -IF- allowed to do so--obama will not allow it.. We as a nation should be asking why and demanding he do his damn job. Can not criticize him because he is black is what we get and what we see. The pussies are the political leaders(primarily dems) that ALWAYS seek appeasement first! We need a damn prez with balls and a Chesty Puller to do the damn job right! Start killing the ffing bastards until the roaches are all dead, thats how war works..... We have not fought like that since the big one, WW2... Obama makes damn sure that one day we will have to fight it here in our streets.. thats his true agenda.... -TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1308] Author : Gunny Date : 04-22-2015 02:36 PM ^^^^^^ Yet those of us that DEMAND that our government actually start fighting to win are called extremists and hate filled bigots ,etc... Unless one has a revolution all we as citizens can do is express our views and try to inform others of what is so wrong ABOUT THE LIBERAL GUILT AND COWARDICE INFECTING THIS NATION IMHO. I have previously pointed out how fast our military could take out ISIS -IF- allowed to do so--obama will not allow it.. We as a nation should be asking why and demanding he do his damn job. Can not criticize him because he is black is what we get and what we see. The pussies are the political leaders(primarily dems) that ALWAYS seek appeasement first! We need a damn prez with balls and a Chesty Puller to do the damn job right! Start killing the ffing bastards until the roaches are all dead, thats how war works..... We have not fought like that since the big one, WW2... Obama makes damn sure that one day we will have to fight it here in our streets.. thats his true agenda.... -TYR Might be the way you say it that gets you called an extremist, hate-filled bigot? ISIS, and Iran and its satellite groups are REAL military threats. I agree "Neville Chamberlain" Obama is THE problem. He is an incompetent CinC, and he is incompetent at foreign relations. It's going to cost MORE lives when we finally do have to take them out. Likely alone since he's alienated our allies in the ME for his "Peace in Our Time" deal with Iran. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1309] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 04-22-2015 02:47 PM Might be the way you say it that gets you called an extremist, hate-filled bigot? ISIS, and Iran and its satellite groups are REAL military threats. I agree "Neville Chamberlain" Obama is THE problem. He is an incompetent CinC, and he is incompetent at foreign relations. It's going to cost MORE lives when we finally do have to take them out. Likely alone since he's alienated our allies in the ME for his "Peace in Our Time" deal with Iran. Fair enough if that be the case. I say it with hate in my heart true but I am not now and never was a tender kind of guy. Certainly never a diplomatic type. I like to let the cards fall were they may, and whomever gets painted black is just fine with me as long as its true. The cold hard truth is the kind I prefer to embrace as it leaves all the bullshit of pretenses back in the damn dust. Stark reality makes for an easier more direct target to hit when action is called for... (DEFINITELY CALLED FOR WITH ISIS) You are dead on right about the obama but to me it is not mere incompetence (ALTHOUGH SOME OF IT IS), its more about his true religion, his true alliances and his true hatred for the Western word/ America AND THE JEWS. Never underestimate an enemy and the obama by any competent reasoning is an avowed enemy of this nation IMHO.... -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1310] Author : Gunny Date : 04-22-2015 03:00 PM Fair enough if that be the case. I say it with hate in my heart true but I am not now and never was a tender kind of guy. Certainly never a diplomatic type. I like to let the cards fall were they may, and whomever gets painted black is just fine with me as long as its true. The cold hard truth is the kind I prefer to embrace as it leaves all the bullshit of pretenses back in the damn dust. Stark reality makes for an easier more direct target to hit when action is called for... (DEFINITELY CALLED FOR WITH ISIS) You are dead on right about the obama but to me it is not mere incompetence (ALTHOUGH SOME OF IT IS), its more about his true religion, his true alliances and his true hatred for the Western word/ America AND THE JEWS. Never underestimate an enemy and the obama by any competent reasoning is an avowed enemy of this nation IMHO.... -Tyr And when have you EVER seen me not speak my mind? Straight up and don't care who I piss off. That's not an issue. It's the vitriol. I doubt Obama hates this country. Seems obvious he DOES think we are the bad guys and all our traditional allies as well. I think his dumb ass thinks what he is doing is right. I will say what I did in 2008 -- he's not qualified for the position. He hasn't grown into it. And since the GOP took over Congress, he's acted like a spoiled brat who isn't getting his way. He is completely inept at geo-politics and the political and military ramifications. He's a "paper tiger", and our enemies know it. So far, he's been wrong about almost everything. I feel sorry for whoever has to follow him up. In THAT regard, I think Bush is the best candidate. Everyone else is too much of a rookie, no matter how good they are on domestic issues. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1311] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 04-23-2015 06:11 PM And when have you EVER seen me not speak my mind? Straight up and don't care who I piss off. That's not an issue. It's the vitriol. I doubt Obama hates this country. Seems obvious he DOES think we are the bad guys and all our traditional allies as well. I think his dumb ass thinks what he is doing is right. I will say what I did in 2008 -- he's not qualified for the position. He hasn't grown into it. And since the GOP took over Congress, he's acted like a spoiled brat who isn't getting his way. He is completely inept at geo-politics and the political and military ramifications. He's a "paper tiger", and our enemies know it. So far, he's been wrong about almost everything. I feel sorry for whoever has to follow him up. In THAT regard, I think Bush is the best candidate. Everyone else is too much of a rookie, no matter how good they are on domestic issues. Speaking my mind is me putting it as bluntly as I can and as vitriolic as I want to. If you consider that too vitriolic thats fine by me because I will speak my mind regardless. Since you take great stock in speaking your mind then do so but so shall I every time. I have no special desire to appease the finer sensibilities of any person here. Instead I prefer each person has absolutely no doubt where I stand. As far as I can tell none do have any such doubt... A success for me IMHO. We both seem to agree that the obama is bad, is a coward , is inept and the next prez should be a strong leader that far better represents the American of freedom , inherent human rights and will work for the greater prosperity of this nation. Now who best represents that and has the character and integrity to pursue it if elected is another matter. No Dem alive fits that bill IMHO. And very few of our candidates fit it either. Bush already is and has been a amnesty guy, thus he is out for me in the primary, although would vote for him against any dem.. Right now, Walker and Cruz look fairly good to me.............-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1312] Author : Gunny Date : 04-23-2015 06:27 PM Speaking my mind is me putting it as bluntly as I can and as vitriolic as I want to. If you consider that too vitriolic thats fine by me because I will speak my mind regardless. Since you take great stock in speaking your mind then do so but so shall I every time. I have no special desire to appease the finer sensibilities of any person here. Instead I prefer each person has absolutely no doubt where I stand. As far as I can tell none do have any such doubt... A success for me IMHO. We both seem to agree that the obama is bad, is a coward , is inept and the next prez should be a strong leader that far better represents the American of freedom , inherent human rights and will work for the greater prosperity of this nation. Now who best represents that and has the character and integrity to pursue it if elected is another matter. No Dem alive fits that bill IMHO. And very few of our candidates fit it either. Bush already is and has been a amnesty guy, thus he is out for me in the primary, although would vote for him against any dem.. Right now, Walker and Cruz look fairly good to me.............-Tyr I wasn't telling you how to speak. Knock yourself out. I was merely making a point. I GET what you are saying. You made the assertion you were being called this or that because of your beliefs and that just isn't so. You get labelled because of how you say it. Either way, I'm not telling you what to do. Just pointing out the obvious. And don't think I don't get it. If I lose my temper, I'm drunk according to any-and-everyone. Truth is, my temper is worse when I'm sober than when I'm drunk. Everyone's looking fr an excuse to label. You give them one. No one ever considers the fact I can can get angry at shit without ANY "help". There are no "inherent human rights". Only the ones you are willing to fight and die for. Obama is a weak POS. We agree. Don't know enough about Bush to form an opinion yet. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1313] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 04-23-2015 06:39 PM I wasn't telling you how to speak. Knock yourself out. I was merely making a point. I GET what you are saying. You made the assertion you were being called this or that because of your beliefs and that just isn't so. You get labelled because of how you say it. Either way, I'm not telling you what to do. Just pointing out the obvious. And don't think I don't get it. If I lose my temper, I'm drunk according to any-and-everyone. Truth is, my temper is worse when I'm sober than when I'm drunk. Everyone's looking fr an excuse to label. You give them one. No one ever considers the fact I can can get angry at shit without ANY "help". There are no "inherent human rights". Only the ones you are willing to fight and die for. Obama is a weak POS. We agree. Don't know enough about Bush to form an opinion yet. Not a problem amigo. I have no care at all how I am labeled if its because I take a very ,very hard line. And that is me speaking to all humans not just you. I will not fault you for any of your anger issues because I have my own to deal with-always have had. Tis why I am basically a loner, that on most things do not give a rip. I disagree about the rights . Of course we can only have the ones we fight for and daily maintain. However, man by Nature and design is made to be an intelligent creature THAT uses free will to survive and prosper IMHO. The state of the world forces the fighting part as man is now a fallen creature.. We seem to agree, any man must fight for his principles and his freedoms. Those physically capable yet refuse to do so deserve none IMHO. For their inaction aids the opposition and thus that decision threatens me and mine.... example obama and the dem party.. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1314] Author : Gunny Date : 04-23-2015 06:56 PM Not a problem amigo. I have no care at all how I am labeled if its because I take a very ,very hard line. And that is me speaking to all humans not just you. I will not fault you for any of your anger issues because I have my own to deal with-always have had. Tis why I am basically a loner, that on most things do not give a rip. I disagree about the rights . Of course we can only have the ones we fight for and daily maintain. However, man by Nature and design is made to be an intelligent creature THAT uses free will to survive and prosper IMHO. The state of the world forces the fighting part as man is now a fallen creature.. We seem to agree, any man must fight for his principles and his freedoms. Those physically capable yet refuse to do so deserve none IMHO. For their inaction aids the opposition and thus that decision threatens me and mine.... example obama and the dem party.. -Tyr That may be so, but cross reference this with the libertarian thread. Everyone's about labels and excuses. Labels suck. As far as being unapologetic goes, I'm as unapologetic is it comes. Yet some choose to take it personally instead of just agreeing to disagree. They make it personal. I'd rather you tell me what you think than try to blow smoke up my ass. But I expect the same in return. My opinion's my opinion. Yours is yours. And there's the groundwork for a war. IF you can't listen. The only difference between two people disagreeing on a message board and Western civilization vs Islam is the scale. And it always boils down to one word: intolerance. On BOTH sides. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1315] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 04-23-2015 07:37 PM That may be so, but cross reference this with the libertarian thread. Everyone's about labels and excuses. Labels suck. As far as being unapologetic goes, I'm as unapologetic is it comes. Yet some choose to take it personally instead of just agreeing to disagree. They make it personal. I'd rather you tell me what you think than try to blow smoke up my ass. But I expect the same in return. My opinion's my opinion. Yours is yours. And there's the groundwork for a war. IF you can't listen. The only difference between two people disagreeing on a message board and Western civilization vs Islam is the scale. And it always boils down to one word: intolerance. On BOTH sides. As far as interaction on a message board goes I do exactly as I do in person, give just as good as I get. I make no demand that all agree with me and certainly never, never declare that I am perfect. I do demand that those I chose to banter with give me the same respect that they expect from me. Labels are used to get points across or to castigate a person often inaccurately and wrongly IMHO. I authored this thread about 3 years ago and the subject of the thread is taking a stand. I took one and neither hell nor high water will cause me to abandon that stand. As of now I only point out what the ffing muslims truly are with no fighting. Anybody that thinks Ill not fight is ffing crazy. When/if that times comes I will fight gladly. You know why? Because those ffkking vermin(muslims) threaten my family with deadly harm . I'll kill anybody doing that, just that damn simple.. --Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1316] Author : Gunny Date : 04-23-2015 07:48 PM As far as interaction on a message board goes I do exactly as I do in person, give just as good as I get. I make no demand that all agree with me and certainly never, never declare that I am perfect. I do demand that those I chose to banter with give me the same respect that they expect from me. Labels are used to get points across or to castigate a person often inaccurately and wrongly IMHO. I authored this thread about 3 years ago and the subject of the thread is taking a stand. I took one and neither hell nor high water will cause me to abandon that stand. As of now I only point out what the ffing muslims truly are with no fighting. Anybody that thinks Ill not fight is ffing crazy. When/if that times comes I will fight gladly. You know why? Because those ffkking vermin(muslims) threaten my family with deadly harm . I'll kill anybody doing that, just that damn simple.. --Tyr Labels are what they are. Blind. One size fits all. Extremist Muslim jihadists threaten our entire way of life. The problem is, civilized people have their heads stuck so far up their butts they have that "it happens to the other guy" attitude. But make no mistake ... ISIS is a part of Islam about as much as Fred Phelps represented the Baptist church. You have to see past the smoke and mirrors. These people are making money out of war. They'd have to get a real job otherwise. War pays better. "Jihad" is just the smokescreen they use to get dumbass idealists to follow them. But we don't have to be dumb enough to not see through the smoke to what these thugs really are. Just gangbangers by another name. And if you don't think I haven't taken a stand, I got 21 years and 7 stripes that says you would be wrong on that account. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1317] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 04-23-2015 07:58 PM Labels are what they are. Blind. One size fits all. Extremist Muslim jihadists threaten our entire way of life. The problem is, civilized people have their heads stuck so far up their butts they have that "it happens to the other guy" attitude. But make no mistake ... ISIS is a part of Islam about as much as Fred Phelps represented the Baptist church. You have to see past the smoke and mirrors. These people are making money out of war. They'd have to get a real job otherwise. War pays better. "Jihad" is just the smokescreen they use to get dumbass idealists to follow them. But we don't have to be dumb enough to not see through the smoke to what these thugs really are. Just gangbangers by another name. And if you don't think I haven't taken a stand, I got 21 years and 7 stripes that says you would be wrong on that account. Extremist Muslim jihadists threaten our entire way of life. The problem is, civilized people have their heads stuck so far up their butts they have that "it happens to the other guy" attitude. But make no mistake ... ISIS is a part of Islam about as much as Fred Phelps represented the Baptist church. You have to see past the smoke and mirrors. These people are making money out of war. Never said you haven't taken a stand. I have and do say I took one. As of now I'll not break the law to fight these ffing savages, these murdering scum but if and when the times comes to fight I will be johnny on the spot and defend all that I hold dear = my family... Their problem is I know how and will be more savage than they if I ever get started. Talk is cheap as they say but mine is not idle talk. At my age I hope it never comes but know damn well its coming, just hope its when I can still do my part... Aint in no damn hurry but I have no fear of dying--cause we all going to do it someday. Can not think of a better cause than that of defending my family. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1318] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 08-28-2015 12:00 AM More proof of the muslim infiltration into nations to destroy then. And they are going into high gear here in USA now too. Same tactics, same strategy as they are using in BRITAIN. And why not, because of liberalism it works so well for them!-Tyr http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168511/Britain-s-biggest-police-force-demands-wanting-join-beat-bobby-bilingual-one-14-languages.html Britain's biggest police force now demands that anyone wanting to join as a beat bobby has to be bilingual in one of 14 languages New Met Police recruits must now be able to speak a second language Commissioner said it was because 300 languages are spoken in London But Scotland Yard criticised by a former officer and the public on Twitter Concerns those from minority backgrounds will be put off from applying By SAM TONKIN FOR MAILONLINE Scotland Yard has come under fire today after placing an advert demanding that anyone wanting to join as a police officer be able to speak a second language. The Metropolitan Police wants to bolster the number of officers able to speak and understand 14 languages which are widely used across London. But the move has sparked criticism from a former officer and members of the public on Twitter. Retired Met Police officer Chris Hobbs wrote: 'I've kept reading and re-reading it. Can't believe it. What about potential BME (black and minority ethnic) recruits who only speak English.' He added: 'Won't this also adversely affect the recruitment of guys and girls from the black community whom we would like 2 [sic] see more of?' After Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe set an ambitious target of having 40 per cent of all officers from Black and Minority Ethnic backgrounds, only 18 per cent met that criteria when the latest intake passed out in March. According to a report published by the London Assembly Police and Crime Committee in December 2014, before the most recent recruitment campaign, only 11 per cent of officers serving in the Met were from Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic background, compared with approximately 40 per cent of the population of London. The current BME figure in the Met is now 12 per cent. Members of the public also appeared less than enthusiastic about the new initiative. Simon Holdaway tweeted: 'The Met's lack of understanding of the problems it faces is stunning', while another user wrote: 'the lunatics have finally overtaken the asylum.' Meanwhile, Carole Hawkins tweeted: 'For £19,000 a year, this country is now getting really stupid.' As part of a month-long trial which started today, new recruits must speak English and one of Yoruba (Nigeria), Hebrew, Arabic, Hindi, Punjabi, Italian, German, Turkish, Greek, Spanish, Polish, Portuguese, Sinhala (Sri Lanka) or Bengali to join as Met Police officers. Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said: 'We know that almost 300 languages are spoken in the capital. We need to recruit and deploy officers with second languages in areas where those languages are spoken. 'I believe it will help boost confidence, help to solve crime more effectively and support victims and witnesses.' A Met Police spokesman said: 'It's a pilot scheme for four weeks. We will review it after four weeks and see what the take-up is and how successful it has been in terms of the number of people expressing an interest. 'With so many languages spoken in London we recognise that some of our victims, witnesses and others who come into contact with the police may not be fluent in English This is about strengthening our capability to match the needs of some Londoners. We know there is a demonstrable link between the skills and capabilities of our workforce and public confidence in London's police. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168511/Britain-s-biggest-police-force-demands-wanting-join-beat-bobby-bilingual-one-14-languages.html#ixzz3k4xwIsM6 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook This is about strengthening our capability to match the needs of some Londoners. We know there is a demonstrable link between the skills and capabilities of our workforce and public confidence in London's police. ^^ NO! Its about giving the non-whites, the non-Native born , the muslims more and more power! Its about setting the foundation for the London police to eventually become an enforcement arm for the vastly growing Sharia population in Britain and to enforce its edicts against the infidels(non-muslims)! They will do the same here ,may take a bit longer but the same. And they will do it with fed government blessings, support and financing IMHO.-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1319] Author : Gunny Date : 08-28-2015 04:41 AM More proof of the muslim infiltration into nations to destroy then. And they are going into high gear here in USA now too. Same tactics, same strategy as they are using in BRITAIN. And why not, because of liberalism it works so well for them!-Tyr ^^ NO! Its about giving the non-whites, the non-Native born , the muslims more and more power! Its about setting the foundation for the London police to eventually become an enforcement arm for the vastly growing Sharia population in Britain and to enforce its edicts against the infidels(non-muslims)! They will do the same here ,may take a bit longer but the same. And they will do it with fed government blessings, support and financing IMHO.-Tyr We're just as bad. Try getting a job in the SW US without being bilingual. Talk about discrimination. You get paid more for being bilingual here. PC at it's finest. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1320] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 08-28-2015 07:15 AM We're just as bad. Try getting a job in the SW US without being bilingual. Talk about discrimination. You get paid more for being bilingual here. PC at it's finest. I was applying for a job back in 91'. My good friend worked there in the office and begged me to come apply as they were going to hire 8 people and I was 100% qualified. Long story short , I went, applied and all went well. I was not hired.. I ask my friend Jason, what could be the reason. He found out and told me next day. They had 8 people to hire. They had decided to hire 5 BLACKS 2 MEXICAN 1 FEMALE I being white had no chance from the start but they will never put up a sign-----saying if white do NOT apply because we hire minorities and thus shaft you! We shaft you because the Fed government require that we do so.. I've seen this ffing shat first hand for a longtime... No longer does top ability and past record of great performance/attendance matter as much as skin color does. That is the dem so-called equality in action!!! Tis why I so dearly hate the arrogant and stupid ffing scum..... -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1321] Author : Gunny Date : 08-28-2015 07:20 AM I was applying for a job back in 91'. My good friend worked there in the office and begged me to come apply as they were going to hire 8 people and I was 100% qualified. Long story short , I went, applied and all went well. I was not hired.. I ask my friend Jason, what could be the reason. He found out and told me next day. They had 8 people to hire. They had decided to hire 5 BLACKS 2 MEXICAN 1 FEMALE I being white had no chance from the start but they will never put up a sign-----saying if white do apply because we hire minorities and thus shaft you! We shaft you because the Fed government require that we do so.. I've seen this ffing shat first hand for a longtime... No longer does top ability and past record of great performance/attendance matter as much as skin color does. That is the dem so-called equality in action!!! Tis why I so dearly hate the arrogant and stupid ffing scum..... -Tyr Try being a qualified LT in the Maine corps and being passed over because of racial quotas. Stark reality no one wants to address. The less qualified black LT gets the promotion because he's a minority quota. If they're lucky, he is a she so they can fill two minority quotas at once. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1322] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-06-2015 11:08 AM More proof of what I saw coming and why I took my stand!! http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?51552-Colleges-brainwash-students-into-believing-9-11-was-our-fault&p=762082#post762082 http://nypost.com/2015/09/06/revisionist-history-of-911-being-taught-to-our-college-students/ Colleges brainwash students into believing 9/11 was our fault By Paul Sperry September 6, 2015 | 6:00am Not all of us will be mourning 9/11 victims and their families this Friday on the 14th anniversary of the attacks. Hundreds of college kids across the country will instead be taught to sympathize with the terrorists. That’s because their America-hating leftist professors are systematically indoctrinating them into believing it’s all our fault, that the US deserved punishment for “imperialism” — and the kids are too young to remember or understand what really happened that horrific day. Case in point is a freshman-level English class taught at several major universities across the country called “The Literature of 9/11” — which focuses almost entirely on writings from the perspective of the Islamic terrorists, rather than the nearly 3,000 Americans who were slaughtered by them. The syllabus, which includes books like “The Reluctant Fundamentalist” and “Poems from Guantanamo: Detainees Speak,” portray terrorists as “freedom fighters” driven by oppressive US foreign policies. Modal Trigger Even highly ranked University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill has adopted the curriculum. The 9/11 seminar is taught by UNC associate English professor Neel Ahuja, who specializes in “post-colonial studies.” In Ahuja’s twisted worldview, al Qaeda terrorists are the real victims. “Abu Zubaydah’s torture may be interpreted as simply one more example of the necropower of US imperialism, the power to coerce and kill targeted populations,” Ahuja recently wrote in an academic paper criticizing the war on terror. He says America’s depiction of the 9/11 terrorists as “monsters” is merely an attempt to “animalize” them as insects and justify “squashing” them in “a fantasy of justice.” This colonialist “construct” of an “animalized enemy,” he added, “dovetails with the work of mourning the nation after 9/11 (which in the logic of security must be made perpetual, melancholic).” To him, it’s all cynically designed to justify more “imperial violence” against “Muslim, Arab and South Asian men.” Ahuja goes on to decry the US “colonization” of Afghanistan and northwestern Pakistan, along with “aerial bombing (and) indefinite detention” of al Qaeda terrorists at Gitmo. In other writings, the professor bashes Israel and sides with Palestinian terrorists, further revealing his agenda. He clearly has an ax to grind, which critics say the university gives him license to exercise through “The Literature of 9/11” curriculum. A group of concerned UNC students has complained to administrators that the 9/11 course, also taught at the University of Maryland and other campuses, is being used to brainwash impressionable underclassmen. “These readings offer points of view that justify terrorism, paint the United States and its government as wholly evil and immoral and desecrate the memory of the victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks,” the UNC College Republicans said in a recent letter to Chancellor Carol Folt. “There is not a single reading required that focuses on the lives of the victims, the victim’s [sic] families, American soldiers (or) families of American soldiers,” they added. “Nor is there a perspective that portrays the United States as acting in good faith before, during and after the Sept. 11 attacks.” The course, moreover, “does not teach students how to think, it teaches them what to think,” the letter continued. “And the material it presents is an apologetic for the violence and murder against the United States.” The university replied that freshmen should be exposed to differing points of view, even radical ones. “Part of the college experience is the opportunity to learn from those who have differing points of view. Carolina’s first-year seminar program is part of that growth,” the administration said in a press statement, while insisting “the university isn’t forcing a set of beliefs on students.” Modal Trigger Photo: AP But several students who have taken the course warned in a professor review blog that Ahuja, who earns $72,100 a year spewing his unAmerican propaganda, does not tolerate dissent. “He favors kids who share his views, so learn to do that,” said one reviewer. “A very interesting guy, just don’t disagree with him.” Added another student, in a January 2014 post: “I would avoid contradicting him openly.” “AGREE WITH HIS STANCE IN YOUR PAPERS!!!!!” advised another in November. What’s happening in Chapel Hill is not isolated. Presenting terrorists in a sympathetic light and the US as an imperialist nation is standard fare. This is what, in varying degrees, most college kids are learning today, all over the country. Paul Sperry, a visiting media fellow at the Hoover Institution, is author of “Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington.” -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The university replied that freshmen should be exposed to differing points of view, even radical ones. Exposed? or indoctrinated into? The authority and presumed truth maintain by the prestige of the university and its teachers will naturally give greater credit/credence to the ideas and propaganda espoused by the leftist, socialists, terrorists and other anti-american scum! This is nothing but further liberal "hate America first' indoctrination and these lying university bastards all know it. They just depend on the ignorant masses falling for their insanely defensive lies about such activities. IMHO they all should be fired and many of them actually jailed for pure and deliberate treason(as in their deliberately aiding of our enemies muslim terrorists).. --Tyr Last edited by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot; Today at 11:05 AM. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1323] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-12-2015 09:03 AM http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?51623-Pastor-Wilson-students-being-brainwashed-with-Islam http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/wilson/2015/09/11/pastor-wilson-students-being-brainwashed-islam/72074178/ Pastor: Wilson students being brainwashed with Islam Andy Humbles, ahumbles@tennessean.com 8:28 p.m. CDT September 11, 2015 A Mt. Juliet pastor went on video with concerns Wilson County Schools is indoctrinating and brainwashing students with Islam through its curriculum, which generated a denial by the district on its Facebook page. Pastor Greg Locke of Global Vision Bible Church filmed the video in front of West Wilson Middle School, which was posted on his Facebook page. The video was also on the Parents of Wilson County Schools page. Locke said church families were concerned and upset about middle school students being taught “a half-page of watered down Christianity,” in sixth grade and then are taught 28 pages of Islamic curriculum. “We have a number of our families at our church that are really upset and up and arms over all of this new Islamic indoctrination in our public school system,” Locke said early in the video. Later he states: "That is nothing more than absolute brainwashing of religion and we're not going to stand for it." Wilson County Schools Director Donna Wright responded on the district’s Facebook page and called Locke’s claims blatantly false and stated his video was done to intentionally incite parents and the community. “No one in any Wilson County School is teaching any indoctrination of Islam or of any world religion for that matter,” Wright said. “To imply or state otherwise shows a lack of knowledge about the standards used in our schools.” Greg Locke Locke, contacted Friday, did not back off statements in the video and felt curriculum has gone too far teaching fundamentals of Islam while Christianity is glossed over. He also stated students are being taught different religions worship the same God. "It's straight up indoctrination, I'm not backing off that," he said Friday. Christianity, Judaism, Muslim, Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism and Shinto, are covered in grades six and seven, and again in high school, according to Wilson County Schools Deputy Director of Academics Monty Wilson in the Facebook response. “Although these religions will be taught at some point in these three courses, the focus on each religion will depend on the context and influence of the time period,” Wilson said. “World History is taught at three different times in a student’s K-12 education. First in grades six and seven and again in high school. The courses cover World History from the beginning of time to the present.” Donna Wright The response also states the content of religion Tennessee social studies standards isn’t new, but the sequence has been revised with State Board of Education approval in July 2013. Locke also called a scheduled test on Islamic curriculum for Friday, Sept. 11, as a “slap in the face,” and said in the video he told parents "you need to tell your kids take an F for the class because I’d rather fail in man’s class and get an A plus in God’s class and we need some kids that have some character and stand up.” I pointed out that this was coming in my thread, I Take My Stand OVER 3 YEARS AGO.. ACADEMIA IS FAVORING ISLAM OVER ANY AND ALL OTHER RELIGIONS... We should be looking into why and demanding this insanity stop! Later will be too late!!! Who saw this coming ? Saw it at my other forum 5 long years before posting about it here. Every time there that I made a strong post about it, some lib mod deleted that post. Muslim appeasers-dem/lib/leftists will be the ruin of this nation IMHO... HARD AND COLD JUSTICE SHOULD BE SERVED UNTO THEM AS WELL!!!!!!!!!!! -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1324] Author : Gunny Date : 09-12-2015 09:11 AM http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?51623-Pastor-Wilson-students-being-brainwashed-with-Islam Later is ALWAYS too late for us. We end up paying 100x the price in after thought than if we'd just be proactive. Iran's going to bite us in the ass so hard it ain't going to be funny when could could just kick their asses NOW. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1325] Author : Gunny Date : 09-12-2015 09:14 AM What these people don't get is: my daughter's feet are already jacked because of Iraq. Now this moron useless, unamerican so-called President has dragged it into my granddaughter's ages? Fuck him. I hope he chokes and dies. And I hope it takes awhile. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1326] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-12-2015 09:33 AM What these people don't get is: my daughter's feet are already jacked because of Iraq. Now this moron useless, unamerican so-called President has dragged it into my granddaughter's ages? Fuck him. I hope he chokes and dies. And I hope it takes awhile. Careful there, perhaps some residing weasel here will report that post to the FBI. NAMING NO NAMES AS TO WHO WOULD DO THAT IN MY OPINION BUT F orget not J oke not.. just sayin' .... ;)--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1327] Author : Gunny Date : 09-12-2015 11:24 AM Careful there, perhaps some residing weasel here will report that post to the FBI. NAMING NO NAMES AS TO WHO WOULD DO THAT IN MY OPINION BUT F orget not J oke not.. just sayin' .... ;)--Tyr Was waiting for THAT response. Report me. I didn't say I was going to do anything. I'm not PC, and last I checked, the 1st Amendment still applies. If he drops dead, it's on HIM, not me. I'm not going to do anything to his sorry ass. He just ain't worth it. All I've ever said is put him in the octagon with me. Legal, one-on-one confrontation. Got to sign a contract to walk through the gate. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1328] Author : Gunny Date : 09-12-2015 12:17 PM Oh, and he thinks he can play ball too. I'd LOVE THAT. I'd duct tape my knees to get out there and school his ass. But, I got this 3 months old baby that thinks I'm the bomb. THAT is what it's all about. It's what we fight for. A moron president who lied his way into office and the left STILL voted for him? Oh yeah, I retired last time I had to serve one. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1329] Author : Black Diamond Date : 09-12-2015 12:49 PM Was waiting for THAT response. Report me. I didn't say I was going to do anything. I'm not PC, and last I checked, the 1st Amendment still applies. If he drops dead, it's on HIM, not me. I'm not going to do anything to his sorry ass. He just ain't worth it. All I've ever said is put him in the octagon with me. Legal, one-on-one confrontation. Got to sign a contract to walk through the gate. When did duels become illegal? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1330] Author : Black Diamond Date : 09-12-2015 12:53 PM When did duels become illegal? And the better question may be why -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1331] Author : Gunny Date : 09-12-2015 01:51 PM When did duels become illegal? I think 1798. However, signing a disclaimer and getting into a ring is STILL legal. Just means I have to beat your ass instead of shooting you at 20 paces with a .32 dueling pistol. Hell, I'd rather use a sword. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1332] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 09-12-2015 04:00 PM Was waiting for THAT response. Report me. I didn't say I was going to do anything. I'm not PC, and last I checked, the 1st Amendment still applies. If he drops dead, it's on HIM, not me. I'm not going to do anything to his sorry ass. He just ain't worth it. All I've ever said is put him in the octagon with me. Legal, one-on-one confrontation. Got to sign a contract to walk through the gate. EIGHT YEARS AGO A LIBERAL AT MY OLD FORUM POSTED ABUT 10 TIMES IN THE SPICE OF THREE MONTHS TIME THAT HE WAS REPORTING MY PREVIOUS POSTS TO THE FBI. :laugh::laugh: I shot back, go ahead to hell with them too! Freedom of speech fool and my wishing or praying something happen is not me threatening to actually do that something. The liberal asswipe crying and trying to deter me from exercising my free speech rights was not ever warned by admin there to knock it off but I was warned for daring to reply to his crap and daring to call him fool- a word that was not banned there. In fact was that word and worse in daily usage there. By the way, read my post again and check those two capital letters at the end of it. . ;)--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1333] Author : Gunny Date : 09-12-2015 09:31 PM EIGHT YEARS AGO A LIBERAL AT MY OLD FORUM POSTED ABUT 10 TIMES IN THE SPICE OF THREE MONTHS TIME THAT HE WAS REPORTING MY PREVIOUS POSTS TO THE FBI. :laugh::laugh: I shot back, go ahead to hell with them too! Freedom of speech fool and my wishing or praying something happen is not me threatening to actually do that something. The liberal asswipe crying and trying to deter me from exercising my free speech rights was not ever warned by admin there to knock it off but I was warned for daring to reply to his crap and daring to call him fool- a word that was not banned there. In fact was that word and worse in daily usage there. By the way, read my post again and check those two capital letters at the end of it. . ;)--Tyr This what I can say about THAT, I learned once I was retired and worked as an electrician in the FBI building in SA is that I have a higher security clearance than most of their stooges. Those little MIB goofs can come after me if they want. Kindergartners scare me more. What are they going to do? Shave my head and make me join the Marine Corps? Deploy me on my birthday and make me miss my youngest daughter learning to walk and talk? Unlike another person we all know and idiots will still vote for and are giving her a pass, I know the law, what I am allowed to say, and I ain't got my own personal server. You can get an interim Secret clearance as a dumbass -- which is what all those FBI wannabe's have -- but they take your life apart for a higher clearance. THAT is what aggravates me about this. There is NO excuse. You don't NOT know what is classified. It doesn't have to be marked. That lame shit is going over like a lead balloon here. What concerns me more than her transparent bullshit is the people that will still vote for her. BUT .. all I've done is threaten to take him on in legal contests. BFD. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1334] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-08-2015 10:07 AM This is Islam in its unvarnished reality. It is what the Koran commands and its coming here and tis why I started this thread over three years ago! Read this and then consider its abject brutality ,disregard for human lie and utter insanity! Yet we have members here still try to defend Islam! http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610676/Islamic-State-ISIS-executioner-The-Bulldozer-torture-Free-Syrian-Army-teen Islamic-State-ISIS-executioner-The-Bulldozer-torture-Free-Syrian-Army-teen The man mountain jihadi strung the 14-year-old boy up and subjected him to unimaginable abuse, all because he refused to join the ranks of the fanatical hate group. The youngster, called Omar, was helping a moderate group of rebels in its battle against brutal Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad when he was captured by the cruel jihadis. They imprisoned him in their stronghold of Mosul, northern Iraq, and demanded that he join their cause. When the courageous teenager refused, the fanatics called in their most fearsome executioner to perform the most horrific acts of torture on him, often in public. At one point during the horrific six-week campaign of abuse 'The Bulldozer' - who covers his face to hide his identity - hacked off the boy's hand and foot in front of a baying crowd before taking photographs of the mutilation to sell to his distraught family for £130 a time. Omar, whose name has been changed for his own protection, said he has "given up on life" following his harrowing ordeal. He told a Channel 4 documentary: “They gathered the people, they tied down my hand and my leg. They put my hand on a wooden block cut it off with a butcher’s knife. "Then they cut off my foot and put both of them in front of me for me to see." In another sign of the jihadis' growing desperation to recruit new members to their cause, Omar said ISIS fighters repeatedly asked him why he would not join their group. He said: “I was strung up and tortured for a month and a half. “They were saying ‘Why don’t you pledge allegiance to Islamic State? Why don’t you fight against the non-Muslims with us?’ But they are slaughtering Muslims." The youngster was captured by ISIS whilst running food and medical supplies to the frontline for the Syrian Free Army, which has been backed by Britain and America, in the Deir Ezzor province of Syria. His torturer, known as 'The Bulldozer of Fallujah', is one of ISIS' most feared and recognisable jihadis. The giant fanatic, whose real identity and nationality is unknown, is a celebrity figure amongst the hate group and carries a giant machine gun so heavy it usually has to be mounted on a pick-up truck. Alongside British executioner Jihadi John - real name Mohammed Emwazi - he is one of ISIS' most prized propaganda assets and has featured in a number of videos pumped out by the hate group. Click the link and view what these stinking monsters do and are! And know this--they are Islam! They are exactly what it does when it has control!-Tyr That control is ever growing our nation led and promoted by dem party, libs/leftists , the obama and CAIR! Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1335] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-12-2015 11:00 PM http://10news.dk/?p=1931 Denmark: 77 percent of Muslims think that the Quran’s instructions must be “applied fully” OCTOBER 12, 2015 , BY NICOLAI SENNELS Research show that Islam is the only religion where people become more violent, the more they practise their faith. Translated from JP: “Muslims in Denmark have begun to pay more attention to their religion and religious practices. This shows a poll among Muslims in Denmark … which is comparable to a similar measure for almost 10 years ago in 2006. Back then it was 37 per cent., who prayed daily five times or more. Now 50 per cent are praying five times a day or more. Similarly, an increasing proportion – 77 per cent. – think that the Quran’s instructions must be applied fully against 62 per cent. in 2006. Finally, there are also some who believe that Muslim girls from adolescence should cover themselves with headscarves.“ ^^^^^^^^^^^ Coming here soon, far too soooooooooon! The obama is importing them in by the hundreds of thousands. This thread was started over 3 years ago and everything I predicted and warned about in regards To Islam's evil, its nation destroying agenda, its infiltration into the dem party , etc. has come to pass.. And do not worry--the obama will soon do even far more outrageous shat for these stinking vermin! -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1336] Author : Gunny Date : 10-12-2015 11:22 PM ^^^^^^^^^^^ Coming here soon, far too soooooooooon! The obama is importing them in by the hundreds of thousands. This thread was started over 3 years ago and everything I predicted and warned about in regards To Islam's evil, its nation destroying agenda, its infiltration into the dem party , etc. has come to pass.. And do not worry--the obama will soon do even far more outrageous shat for these stinking vermin! -Tyr I'd like to know how we can get these limpdick leftwingnut punks a one-way ticket to NW Iraq. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1337] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 10-12-2015 11:38 PM I'd like to know how we can get these limpdick leftwingnut punks a one-way ticket to NW Iraq. Or to Syria-because their boy obama is hellbent on helping THE MUSLIMS WIN SO THE STINKING MUSLIM CALIPHATE CAN BE BORN. SEND THEIR SORRY ASSES THERE AND LET PUTIN'S BOYS SHOOT 'EM U REAL GOOD. :beer: :beer: RUSSIAN LEADER ACTUALLY IS HITTING ISIS WHILE BAMBASTARD ONLY PRETENDS TO DO SO- 75/80% of our airstrike missions are coming back fully loaded !! Thats by design my friend. As was all that heavy armor(U.S.) left for ISIS to just walk in grab and start using. Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1338] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-25-2016 04:16 PM Bumped for the Rev. to find and read.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1339] Author : Gunny Date : 01-25-2016 04:28 PM Bumped for the Rev. to find and read.. It's not as long as one of his posts. :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1340] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-25-2016 04:33 PM It's not as long as one of his posts. :laugh: I myself often feel the same.... :laugh: Rev is a big believer in winning by volume. And man can he ever dish it out..-:laugh:-Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1341] Author : revelarts Date : 01-25-2016 04:55 PM I myself often feel the same.... :laugh: Rev is a big believer in winning by volume. And man can he ever dish it out..-:laugh:-Tyr Ahem.. I try to win by the facts. but often I just can't say. "the constitution says XYZ therefore you are wrong." end of post i have to spend time finding other republicans you guys respect who say the same, find a places where fox news says it, or said it in the past, finding supreme court cases that back it up, finding foundering fathers that said the same, showing from the bible even why it's the right POV, showing from history of other countries why it was it is good or bad. Show historical docs, news reported, eyewitness reports, scientific reports etc etc but still with all the evidence i can muster for my POV, i rarely make a dent in anyones thinking. And some people get pissed off even. I may as well keep it short. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1342] Author : Perianne Date : 01-25-2016 04:59 PM Ahem.. I try to win by the facts. but often I just can't say. "the constitution says XYZ therefore you are wrong." end of post i have to spend time finding other republicans you guys respect who say the same, find a places where fox news says it, or said it in the past, finding supreme court cases that back it up, finding foundering fathers that said the same, showing from the bible even why it's the right POV, showing from history of other countries why it was it is good or bad. but still with all the evidence i can muster for my POV, i rarely make a dent in anyones thinking. And some people get pissed off even. I may as well keep it short. I read what you write. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1343] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 01-25-2016 05:53 PM Ahem.. I try to win by the facts. but often I just can't say. "the constitution says XYZ therefore you are wrong." end of post i have to spend time finding other republicans you guys respect who say the same, find a places where fox news says it, or said it in the past, finding supreme court cases that back it up, finding foundering fathers that said the same, showing from the bible even why it's the right POV, showing from history of other countries why it was it is good or bad. Show historical docs, news reported, eyewitness reports, scientific reports etc etc but still with all the evidence i can muster for my POV, i rarely make a dent in anyones thinking. And some people get pissed off even. I may as well keep it short. You know we love ya, Rev! But pithiness IS underrated. :cool: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1344] Author : revelarts Date : 01-25-2016 05:59 PM ...But pithiness IS underrated. :cool: And a hard skill to master. Maybe Tyr you can give me some poetry lessons . poets can narrow down and give multi meanings in a few words. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1345] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 01-25-2016 06:04 PM And a hard skill to master. Maybe Tyr you can give me some poetry lessons . poets can narrow down and give multi meanings in a few words. Man! I thought I would be your choice. :p :unsure: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1346] Author : revelarts Date : 01-25-2016 06:06 PM Man! I thought I would be your choice. :p :unsure: I didn't even know you were poet too. my bad. sorry Tyr you're out of a gig. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1347] Author : Gunny Date : 01-25-2016 06:24 PM I read what you write. No life, huh? :laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1348] Author : Gunny Date : 01-25-2016 06:25 PM Ahem.. I try to win by the facts. but often I just can't say. "the constitution says XYZ therefore you are wrong." end of post i have to spend time finding other republicans you guys respect who say the same, find a places where fox news says it, or said it in the past, finding supreme court cases that back it up, finding foundering fathers that said the same, showing from the bible even why it's the right POV, showing from history of other countries why it was it is good or bad. Show historical docs, news reported, eyewitness reports, scientific reports etc etc but still with all the evidence i can muster for my POV, i rarely make a dent in anyones thinking. And some people get pissed off even. I may as well keep it short. Here's one for you, rev... for those that are going to agree with you, short and sweet and make your point works. For those that are not going to agree with you, there aren't enough words to change their minds -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1349] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-25-2016 06:33 PM I didn't even know you were poet too. my bad. sorry Tyr you're out of a gig. Well all that tis for the best methinks Abbey being so very bright and witty My poetry would have you seeing shrinks and begging for needed relief and pity...- ;) Now you have me playing second fiddle, waiting for Abbey's first poem... ;)----Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1350] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 01-25-2016 06:35 PM I didn't even know you were poet too. my bad. sorry Tyr you're out of a gig. Unfortunately, I have no such talent. Tyr's your guy for that. But pithiness and poetry are not one and the same. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1351] Author : Gunny Date : 01-25-2016 06:51 PM Unfortunately, I have no such talent. Tyr's your guy for that. But pithiness and poetry are not one and the same. Sure it can be: A yellow bird with a yellow bill landed on my windowsill I lured him in with crumbs of bread and then I crushed his f-ing head. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1352] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-25-2016 06:51 PM unfortunately, i have no such talent. Tyr's your guy for that. But pithiness and poetry are not one and the same. just for rev., my attempt to imitate him, as imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.-tyr http://jacketmagazine.com/40/middleton-long-poem.shtml this piece is about 25 printed pages long. It is copyright © peter middleton and jacket magazine 2010. See our [»»] copyright notice. The internet address of this page is http://jacketmagazine.com/40/middleton-long-poem.shtml peter middleton the longing of the long poem 1 modernist long poems resist the support institutions of poetry. Expensive to print; tricky to handle digitally; too long to be read in their entirety at poetry readings; too big for anthologies; much too big for little magazines to be able to publish anything but short sections; almost always too long to teach within the constraints of a timetable; exorbitantly demanding of a reader’s time; and sometimes barely readable until extended scholarly labours have provided guides and critical readings. And yet the long poem continues to represent the peak of poetic achievement just as early epics did. What accounts for the persistence of the modern long poem given its apparent drawbacks? To try to answer this question we would need to gain some idea of what makes for a long poem and one place to start is with endings. 2 most long poems end badly. Writers of long poems may wish they could say, like hugh macdiarmid at the end of ‘in memoriam james joyce,’ ‘and so i come to the end of this poem’, but for reasons internal to the working of the composition the end is more usually an awkward, offhand parting, and suprisingly inarticulate compared to what has gone before. [1] the conclusive wrap of wallace stevens’s ‘notes toward a supreme fiction’ — ‘you will have stopped revolving except in crystal’ — is the exception, perhaps because ‘notes’ is short for a long poem, and even then it spoils the perfection of its finale by adding an apologetic afterthought, justifying poetry in the face of social crisis with an implausible image of ‘the soldier’ living or dying with ‘proper words.’ [2] the cantos also has two endings, both unsatisfactory. The penultimate quasi-ending is given the unpromising provisional title ‘notes for cxvii et seq.’ and finishes with an orphaned line — ‘to be men not destroyers’ — a worthy enough sentiment, similar in spirit to stevens’s second ending, but not a compelling resolution to either the canto or the entire long poem. [3] following this ending is a short piece entitled ‘fragment (1966)’, a brief celebration of olga rudge, that concludes: ‘these lines are for the / ultimate canto // whatever i may write / in the interim.’ the ultimate canto — what a wonderful idea! Zukofsky’s “a” also has two endings: ‘a 23’ ends with a suitably self-reflexive line — ‘z-sited path are but us’; and its effect is then immediately swept aside by celia zukofsky’s mash-up of zukofsky’s own writings, a 24, which itself ends in bathos, with two overlaid voices saying ‘new gloves, mother?’, and ‘i wonder that makes thee so loved /’. [4] the maximus poems also has two endings whose combined effect after the vast intellectual claims made for the poet’s heroic researches into gloucester and the founding of america, is at best pathos : ‘mother earth alone,’ and then on a separate page, ‘my wife my car my color and myself’ (a pathos verging on bathos when he alludes to the loss of his car). [5] however exhausted the poet and the form, these poems don’t want to end. They long for more. 3 more recent long poems are wary of anything that might hint at a gesture like macdiarmid’s, let alone leave the reader with a crystalline qed, and so end with as little conclusivity as possible. The dominant impression is that the poem could have been even longer. Ron silliman’s tjanting ends: ‘what then?’. Allen fisher’s extremely long poem ‘gravity as a consequence of shape’ ends: ‘prospect of the feeling that should be left / been protected for its inaccessability.’ lyn hejinian’s a border comedy ends: ‘and the teller’s intention — believe it or not / is fortune given / living always.’ the ending of bruce andrews’s lip service — ‘let’s start all over stars’ — conveys the general spirit of these endings. [6] 4 if you tell me a novel or a film is long, i know you mean long for a novel or long for a film, and that their actual respective lengths are likely to be of different orders of magnitude, and i also know that you are not referring to the number of pages or the length of the reel of film, although these might be indicative of what you are measuring, which is relative duration of the time required for reception of either (with this in mind i measure the cantos as about 116 metres long, compared with tjanting at only 38 metres.). A long sentence like the previous one only takes seconds to read; a long film might mean sitting for longer than is comfortable but the likelihood is that you would watch it in one sitting in a cinema; and a long novel (think of proust or joyce) is likely to take weeks rather than days, and to be fitted around other activities. Proust’s brother is reported to have said: ‘the sad thing is that people have to be very ill or have broken a leg in order to have the opportunity to read in search of lost time.’ [7] what does it take to read the cantos, and other very long poems (vlps) such as the maximus poems, in memoriam james joyce, a border comedy, flow chart, eunoia, gravity as a consequence of shape, or day? A bout of flu, a vacation at the beach, a grant for research leave, or just a lot of free evenings? 5 what might it require to read kenneth goldsmith’s day, one of the most controversial recent vlps? Molly schwartzberg is honest: ‘stephen cain says what many likely think: That in day, “the gesture is perhaps more enjoyable as a concept than as a reading experience.”’ she demurs in an interesting extended reflection on the experience of reading day in which she equates the long poem with difficulty and boredom, qualities that she transvalues: 6 i find day to be utterly compelling, but not for the reasons i expected to when i first received my copy. When i first opened it, i assumed that all my years of reading contemporary poetry that is densely linguistic, often affectless, and frequently long, would help me; we readers of contemporary poetic practice know hard reading, we know intentional boredom. But it turns out that it’s not my avant-garde training that came in handy. My own willingness/drive/capacity to read all of goldsmith’s books straight through has at least as much to do with my traditional literary background; as i reread the books this spring, i was most helped by just having finished a year of teaching a “great books” curriculum. After nine months of classics like inferno, don quixote, capital and the plague, goldsmith’s books are familiar — both in their physical size, and in the kind of sustained attention — concentration upon multiple layers of plot, language, and argument over hundreds of pages — that they require. Certainly my eyes glazed over as i worked through day’s stock quotes, but not much more than they did as i attempted to follow the denser bits of marx’s complex economic theories. A number of critics have noted that goldsmith’s books have the heft of reference books. But when i look on my own bookshelves, i see that they are closer in size to my copies of magic mountain, moby dick, and remembrance of things past. [8] 7 we might note that goldsmith himself is aware of the problems of the reader, and warns drily that ‘there is no reason to suppose, however, that the conceptual writer is out to bore the reader.’ [9] schwartzberg captures one of the key features of the experience of reading the long poem, the saturation of the reader’s cognitive space with an abstract repetitive form whose content is an ever varying semantic field. As andrea brady says of raworth’s long poems, ‘the long sequences also test our ability to hold the poem’s apparently limitless relational capabilities in our head.’ [10] managing limitless relations has been understood to be a self-conscious feature of the modern novel at least since henry james, who wrote in the preface to roderick hudson: ‘really, universally, relations stop nowhere, and the exquisite problem of the artist is eternally but to draw, by a geometry of his own, the circle within which they shall happily appear to do so.’ [11] one can almost hear the invitation to later writers to experiment by extending the circle until unhappiness appears. 8 what significance does the adjective ‘long’ carry when we talk about the long poem? Is it literal or metaphorical, or a more or less implicit proper name (a disavowed categorisation that really means ‘modernist’ or ‘world-encompassing’); and whichever of these best describes the work of this measure, is it then a value (never mind the length feel the quality), or a category (a capacious genre perhaps subsuming epics, narratives, sequences, and oulipian behemoths), or a metonym for some extended poetic theory (having semantic parallels with the adjectives in terms such as ‘action painting’ or ‘minimalist music’, adjectives whose everyday usage is only an oblique guide to these aesthetic practices)? Or maybe scale does directly result in aesthetic consequence, so that the long poem is as it were orchestral to the chamber scale of the lyric poem? Only a vlp will keep the warriors occupied during the feasting; or to translate this into contemporary idioms, only a vlp can be apotropaic towards the dangers of subject-based, expressive, or confessional verse. 9 it turns out that the short poem, the lyric, also has definitional issues. The january 2008 issue of pmla reveals a widespread concern about the inadequacy of our concepts and definitions of the lyric. Jonathan culler reminds us that rene wellek once wrote that it is impossible to define the lyric because ‘nothing beyond generalities of the tritest kind can result from it.’ [12] does the same fate await anyone attempting to define the long poem? Might we find ourselves merely describing a normative cultural ideal as virginia jackson warns: ‘when the stipulative functions of particular genres are collapsed into one big idea of poems as lyrics, then the only function poems can perform in our culture is to become individual or communal ideals.’ [13] 10 in the same issue, robert kaufman offers a reading of benjamin and adorno on lyric poetry, in which he argues that the use of language in lyric poetry enables it ‘to subjectivize it, affectively to stretch conceptuality’s bounds in order to make something that seems formally like a concept but that does something that ordinary, “objective” concepts generally do not do: Sing’. [14] accepting for a moment the insight based on adorno’s essay on lyric, what by analogy might the long poem be doing? Could we argue that the modern long poem makes the extended discursivity of written modes such as argument and narrative (as myth, story or history), sing too? Does ‘language’s chimerical yearning for the impossible’ that adorno hears in stefan george have a counterpart longing in long poems? If, as adorno believes, the ‘lyric poem is always the subjective expression of a social antagonism’ (45) and ‘in the lyric poem the subject, through its identification with language negates both its opposition to society as something merely monadological and its mere functioning within a wholly socialized society’(44), what happens in the long poem? Where, we might say, does the subject go? Who or what is doing the singing? 11 lyric poems are not usually called ‘short poems.’ the two literary genres most commonly defined by their length are the short story and the long poem, and in both cases the adjectival measure appears to indicate that this is only a genre in the sense that some texts fail to qualify for inclusion in the properly constituted genres of the novel and the lyric. Brevity prevents the short story from achieving the narrative scale necessary to achieve the exit velocity of a novel; excessive length prevents the long poem from sustaining the lyric intensity of a short poem (and hence achieving those very different special possibilities that adorno — and edgar allen poe — espoused in the lyric). Long poems, apart from epics, which are arguably a historical form only practised in partially oral cultures, are like short stories, excess to requirements, a wilderness of weeds outside the garden, a heterogeneous field that does not lend itself to definition, and frequently take advantage of this absence of expectation of any defining characteristic, whether through unconventional prosody, theme, structure, form of address, performativity, or visual appearance. 12 is this the point, that the interest of the long poem lies in its visible display of non-conformity because there are no rules comparable to those for sonnets, lyrics, ballads, quatrains and sestinas? Are long poems wild poems that transcend precedent and convention, and are not condemned to repeat history? In the pmla collection, rei terada cautions against this type of enthusiasm as far as the lyric is concerned: ‘although the critique of lyric is necessary as long as we need to be convinced that its construction has been a problem, we may be past that moment in lyric studies — at a point at which, no longer approaching lyric ontologically or defensively, we should be able to do something besides talk about how other people believe in its ontology.’ [15] is the same true of long poem studies? Can we talk about something other than the ontology or cultural ideals of the long poem? 13 if anything can happen in a long poem, reading may require induction into the peculiar practices of a specific long poem. ‘begin ephebe, by perceiving the idea / of this invention, this invented world’, as stevens starts his own long poem, notes toward a supreme fiction. Perhaps we are all ephebes when we start reading an unfamiliar long poem; certainly the close kinship between long poems and the academy might suggest this. It can be hard work to gain our credentials as a competent reader, which points to a wider issue, the question of just what vlps require as their conditions of existence. 14 to understand the importance of considering the entire context of creation and reception of long poems it is helpful to compare long poems to toasters. Harvey molotch, the great sociologist of consumer goods, uses the toaster as an example of what he calls ‘stuff’, this ‘vast blanket of things — coffeepots and laptops, window fittings, lamps and fence finials, cars, hat pins, and hand trucks — that make up economies, mobilize desire, and so stir controversy.’ [16] where do these things th -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1353] Author : Gunny Date : 01-25-2016 06:55 PM just for rev., my attempt to imitate him, as imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.-tyr Hold your breath til I read that crap.:laugh: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1354] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-25-2016 07:00 PM hold your breath til i read that crap.:laugh: you are a bit slow hoss, the rev already read it and is prepping his very in depth reply on it now as we speak!!-;)-tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1355] Author : Gunny Date : 01-25-2016 07:33 PM you are a bit slow hoss, the rev already read it and is prepping his very in depth reply on it now as we speak!!-;)-tyr Trash day tomorrow. I'm consolidating between posts. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1356] Author : Gunny Date : 01-25-2016 09:54 PM Since the name of this thread is "I Take My Stand", I think I will. Unless anyone's been living in a cave, I don't like Trump and I'm not going to. I've already made it clear I'll hold my nose and vote for the GOP candidate, even in a losing cause, to try and keep a Dem out of the WH. Questioning me on it and who I'm going to vote for is stupid. You can remember some innocuous BS but you don't ever seem to remember the basic stance. I can't stand McCain nor "Flip-flop" Romney, but I held my nose and voted for them. The issue here is people trying to force others to like Trump. And Ill tell you the same thing I told my first 1stSgt ... you can bray all you want, but when you're fucking me in the ass, don't expect a smile out of me. But I will NOT support people who are acting like the very thing they've been bitching about for 15 years. But you better find someone else to bully around while you're playing victim to 2-3 people on the board who disagree with your "you better act happy while you're taking it" BS. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1357] Author : aboutime Date : 01-25-2016 10:34 PM Since the name of this thread is "I Take My Stand", I think I will. Unless anyone's been living in a cave, I don't like Trump and I'm not going to. I've already made it clear I'll hold my nose and vote for the GOP candidate, even in a losing cause, to try and keep a Dem out of the WH. Questioning me on it and who I'm going to vote for is stupid. You can remember some innocuous BS but you don't ever seem to remember the basic stance. I can't stand McCain nor "Flip-flop" Romney, but I held my nose and voted for them. The issue here is people trying to force others to like Trump. And Ill tell you the same thing I told my first 1stSgt ... you can bray all you want, but when you're fucking me in the ass, don't expect a smile out of me. But I will NOT support people who are acting like the very thing they've been bitching about for 15 years. But you better find someone else to bully around while you're playing victim to 2-3 people on the board who disagree with your "you better act happy while you're taking it" BS. Gunny. The only ONE making any demands of you is....YOU. Constantly reminding us you were in uniform and talking to us like we are Fresh out of BOOT...doesn't impress us at all. You should know by now. YOU are no longer on active duty. So you should try and catch up with the rest of us...who have become civilians just like you. As for the Bitching. YOU seem to be the one DOING THE MOST, while threatening doesn't work anymore. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1358] Author : Gunny Date : 01-25-2016 10:40 PM Gunny. The only ONE making any demands of you is....YOU. Constantly reminding us you were in uniform and talking to us like we are Fresh out of BOOT...doesn't impress us at all. You should know by now. YOU are no longer on active duty. So you should try and catch up with the rest of us...who have become civilians just like you. As for the Bitching. YOU seem to be the one DOING THE MOST, while threatening doesn't work anymore. Dude, if you're going to be passive aggressive, try to be good at it, huh? I'd have to stop and have chic=ken fried steak for lunch and a nap to let you catch up with me. Where do you keep coming up with this threatening bullshit? Get real. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1359] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-25-2016 11:00 PM Since the name of this thread is "I Take My Stand", I think I will. Unless anyone's been living in a cave, I don't like Trump and I'm not going to. I've already made it clear I'll hold my nose and vote for the GOP candidate, even in a losing cause, to try and keep a Dem out of the WH. Questioning me on it and who I'm going to vote for is stupid. You can remember some innocuous BS but you don't ever seem to remember the basic stance. I can't stand McCain nor "Flip-flop" Romney, but I held my nose and voted for them. The issue here is people trying to force others to like Trump. And Ill tell you the same thing I told my first 1stSgt ... you can bray all you want, but when you're fucking me in the ass, don't expect a smile out of me. But I will NOT support people who are acting like the very thing they've been bitching about for 15 years. But you better find someone else to bully around while you're playing victim to 2-3 people on the board who disagree with your "you better act happy while you're taking it" BS. Not sure who this is addressed to but if it is addressed to me then best check your facts. I play victim to nobody . Most posts I made here tonight between you and rev were all in good humor. As to my bullying others , never have but always always went out of my way to defend others and stomp bullies asses out in the real world. If not addressed to me then perhaps name some names and give some quotes .. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1360] Author : Gunny Date : 01-25-2016 11:23 PM Not sure who this is addressed to but if it is addressed to me then best check your facts. I play victim to nobody . Most posts I made here tonight between you and rev were all in good humor. As to my bullying others , never have but always always went out of my way to defend others and stomp bullies asses out in the real world. If not addressed to me then perhaps name some names and give some quotes .. -Tyr I addressed ir to the topic. No one. I'm just tired of all this crap. Apparently, if you aren't a Trump kiss ass you aren't welcome here. About time to dump the boards again. I'm sick of being attacked. I don't have the time. I don't care who likes who and I've never made an issue of it until people started acting like Nazis about who you're supposed to support. It seems you're entitled to you opinion only if your opinion goes along along to get along. That ain't me and never has been. If I won't take shit off a LtGen in the Corps, I sure ain't taking it off a bunch of jerks on a message board. And you know me. I'm a southern boy. Come in my yard and talk your trash. Words on a a screen mean nothing. And the so called right that's sold out ? Ain't worth it to me. I got a granddaughter that needs some time. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1361] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-26-2016 12:00 AM I addressed ir to the topic. No one. I'm just tired of all this crap. Apparently, if you aren't a Trump kiss as you aren't welcome here. About time to dump the boards again. I'm sick of being attacked. I don't have the time. I don't care care who likes who and I've never made an issue of it until people started acting like Nazis about who you're supposed to support. It seems you're entitled to you opinion only if your opinion goes along along to get along. That ain't me and never has been. If I won't take shit off a LtGen in the Corps, I sure ain't taking it off a bunch of jerks on a message board. And you know me. I'm a southern boy. Come in my yard and talk your trash. Words on a a screen mean nothing. And the so called right that's sold out ? Ain't worth it to me. I got a granddaughter that needs some time. Well Trump certainly gets strong reactions from folks. I myself do not care that much if its him or Cruz but do think he has the balls to stick it to the right bastards in D.C. ANYBODY AS LONG AS ITS NOT ANOTHER STINKING DEM. I do not think I've sold out at all. We southern boys of the older generation generally have our heads on straight. Not claiming perfection, not by a long shot. Could be we all need to settle down a bit and concentrate on the real enemy- the dems/the muzzies/ the leftists and the globalists..... This ole world bez a tough old hag that spits in yo eye and tries to kill ya. We that survived over 60 years in bad places around bad people know a thing or two. I can not say that about very many of the younger generation unless they've been military and in combat.--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1362] Author : indago Date : 01-26-2016 06:32 AM Talking politics gets folks pissed of sometimes, so don't anyone here pay any mind if someone gets pissed off about candidates and such. Just brush it off your shoulders and move on. Soon the voting will be over, and there will be other things to get pissed off about. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1363] Author : Perianne Date : 01-26-2016 07:54 AM Talking politics gets folks pissed of sometimes, so don't anyone here pay any mind if someone gets pissed off about candidates and such. Just brush it off your shoulders and move on. Soon the voting will be over, and there will be other things to get pissed off about. My daughter says I have been kinda foul lately. I think the state of our country is having an effect on me. Things are sooo bad. :( -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1364] Author : indago Date : 01-26-2016 08:30 AM My daughter says I have been kinda foul lately. I think the state of our country is having an effect on me. Things are sooo bad. :( When things get so bad, I am always reminded that there is still hope. It is written in the book of Nehemiah, in the Bible, that Ezra, the scribe, had assembled the Israelites in the square in front of the Water Gate and read to them from the Book of the Law of Moses; and they wept at how far they had strayed from this. If we would just recall our foundational documents, and remind ourselves of our heritage, we can still salvage what has been lost. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1365] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-26-2016 09:10 AM Talking politics gets folks pissed of sometimes, so don't anyone here pay any mind if someone gets pissed off about candidates and such. Just brush it off your shoulders and move on. Soon the voting will be over, and there will be other things to get pissed off about. Myself, I am not mad at any member here , not even fj....:laugh: Being irritated is not being mad. And my being mad, people tend to see it plainly, opening and boldly. Just as they could read my poetry to see that I am now a much kinder and far more gentle soul. ;) Yet one that always has the foundation to call up the old me in an instant when its needed. Truth is after all these years here, I like every member here even the ones that I strongly disagree with. As all my life I 've went by the creed when I truly dislike a person I will not speak or have conversations with that person on any level or in any way.--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1366] Author : jimnyc Date : 01-26-2016 09:18 AM Who's forcing who to like which candidate? There are more than a few here who won't be voting for Trump, and aren't involved in any fracas whatsoever. I wonder why they aren't saying we are forcing them to vote for Trump? Or why they aren't say they are being stifled or attacked? No one is being forced in any way whatsoever. No one being stifled. tsk tsk. Would still LOVE to see these quotes.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1367] Author : Perianne Date : 01-26-2016 09:22 AM Myself, I am not mad at any member here , not even fj....:laugh: Being irritated is not being mad. And my being mad, people tend to see it plainly, opening and boldly. Just as they could read my poetry to see that I am now a much kinder and far more gentle soul. ;) Yet one that always has the foundation to call up the old me in an instant when its needed. Truth is after all these years here, I like every member here even the ones that I strongly disagree with. As all my life I 've went by the creed when I truly dislike a person I will not speak or have conversations with that person on any level or in any way.--Tyr I, too, like everyone here. Even those who consistently disagree with me. I forgive them. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1368] Author : Gunny Date : 01-26-2016 10:17 AM Well Trump certainly gets strong reactions from folks. I myself do not care that much if its him or Cruz but do think he has the balls to stick it to the right bastards in D.C. ANYBODY AS LONG AS ITS NOT ANOTHER STINKING DEM. I do not think I've sold out at all. We southern boys of the older generation generally have our heads on straight. Not claiming perfection, not by a long shot. Could be we all need to settle down a bit and concentrate on the real enemy- the dems/the muzzies/ the leftists and the globalists..... This ole world bez a tough old hag that spits in yo eye and tries to kill ya. We that survived over 60 years in bad places around bad people know a thing or two. I can not say that about very many of the younger generation unless they've been military and in combat.--Tyr It isn't specifically about Trump. It's about expressing viewpoints. If I wanted 3-4 people down my throat for disagreeing with them, I could have stayed at USMB where I usually get 6-7 in every orifice. It really doesn't matter WHAT the viewpoint is. I came to this board for that very reason - to get away from that high-drama BS, yet it seems to be flourishing well here lately. As far as that RINO Trump is concerned, seems to me that label drove most on the right insane since the late 90s; yet, we are now going to put one in office. :rolleyes: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1369] Author : Perianne Date : 01-26-2016 10:25 AM It isn't specifically about Trump. It's about expressing viewpoints. If I wanted 3-4 people down my throat for disagreeing with them, I could have stayed at USMB where I usually get 6-7 in every orifice. It really doesn't matter WHAT the viewpoint is. I came to this board for that very reason - to get away from that high-drama BS, yet it seems to be flourishing well here lately. As far as that RINO Trump is concerned, seems to me that label drove most on the right insane since the late 90s; yet, we are now going to put one in office. :rolleyes: Some people don't see him as a RINO, because Republican In Name Only has had little meaning since the days of Reagan. I have no confidence in the Republican party to do anything to save America. While I am not on the Trump bandwagon, I understand his attraction to people. I also understand those who are wary of him. Cruz seems like a reasonable alternative to Trump. Others maybe think to heck with it all: "let's jump in with both feet (with Trump) and see what happens". -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1370] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 01-26-2016 10:27 AM It isn't specifically about Trump. It's about expressing viewpoints. If I wanted 3-4 people down my throat for disagreeing with them, I could have stayed at USMB where I usually get 6-7 in every orifice. It really doesn't matter WHAT the viewpoint is. I came to this board for that very reason - to get away from that high-drama BS, yet it seems to be flourishing well here lately. As far as that RINO Trump is concerned, seems to me that label drove most on the right insane since the late 90s; yet, we are now going to put one in office. :rolleyes: As is your right to disagree on Trump being the best choice. I am not mad at anybody here. Its politics and its politics at a crucial turning point in this nation's history-- certainly passions will be inflamed and harsh words uttered. I have no problem with you holding your convictions. Same as I expect others to respect me holding quite firmly onto mine. This election is truly going to be the make or break for this nation! If Hillary gets in, its over for us-- as she'll finish up the obama insanity and treason--just as the globalists masters dictate. -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1371] Author : Gunny Date : 01-26-2016 10:35 AM Some people don't see him as a RINO, because Republican In Name Only has had little meaning since the days of Reagan. I have no confidence in the Republican party to do anything to save America. While I am not on the Trump bandwagon, I understand his attraction to people. I also understand those who are wary of him. Cruz seems like a reasonable alternative to Trump. Others maybe think to heck with it all: "let's jump in with both feet (with Trump) and see what happens". What has gotten twisted here among several people's selective memories is I understand Trump's appeal. That isn't the point. The point is, understanding his appeal isn't good enough. You have to like him too. I'm not going to. Nor am I going to listen to a bunch of titty babies who think they're smarter than everyone else try to force him down my throat. And you need to get out more. You don't see it much on this board but go to one full of leftwingnuts. The term RINO is alive and well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1372] Author : Gunny Date : 01-26-2016 10:36 AM As is your right to disagree on Trump being the best choice. I am not mad at anybody here. Its politics and its politics at a crucial turning point in this nation's history-- certainly passions will be inflamed and harsh words uttered. I have no problem with you holding your convictions. Same as I expect others to respect me holding quite firmly onto mine. This election is truly going to be the make or break for this nation! If Hillary gets in, its over for us-- as she'll finish up the obama insanity and treason--just as the globalists masters dictate. -Tyr I'm not mad. I'm actually disappointed in a few people. I thought they were better than they've recently shown their true colors to be. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1373] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 02-24-2016 11:36 PM https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/02/23/this-marine-vet-was-banned-from-his-kids-school-after-objecting-to-islam-lessons/ This Marine vet was banned from his kid’s school after objecting to Islam lessons By Emma Brown February 23 John Kevin Wood says his daughter’s school has banned him from campus for more than a year, illegally punishing him for raising objections to classroom lessons about Islam. Now he’s gone to court for help, asking a judge to remove the ban so he can watch his daughter graduate from high school. “She’s in the final semester of her senior year, and as it stands right now, she’s going to have to go through that life experience without her dad there,” said Kate Oliveri, a lawyer from the Michigan-based Thomas More Law Center who is representing the Wood family. The dispute dates to October 2014, when Wood’s daughter showed him several assignments for her 11th grade World History class at La Plata High in Charles County, Md. She had been asked to memorize the Five Pillars of Islam. She had been asked to write and recite the shahada, the Muslim statement of faith: There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. She had been taught, according to school papers submitted to federal court, that most Muslims’ faith is “stronger than the average Christian.” The lessons also taught that Islam was a “peaceful religion,” court papers say, and that “jihad” is a “holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty; a personal struggle in devotion to Islam especially involving spiritual discipline.” Wood is a Marine veteran who had lost two buddies in combat in the Persian Gulf during Operation Desert Storm. The school wasn’t just teaching Islam but was promoting it, it seemed to Wood, and in a way that amounted to an assault on his family’s Christian faith. When Wood called to complain about the assignments and request alternative work for his daughter, school officials issued a no-trespass order against him. Wood has not been allowed to set foot on the campus of La Plata High since October 2014. The order, which Wood’s lawyers posted online, says that Wood “made verbal threats against the school.” The legal battle now centers on whether the school system unfairly punished Wood for speaking out. In court papers, Wood says he never threatened physical harm against the school or its staff. Instead, he said, he threatened to take his concerns public by going to the media and to lawyers. The dispute turned into a legal battle last month, when Wood and his wife, Melissa, sued the Charles County school system, alleging that La Plata High’s lessons on Islam violated their daughter’s civil and constitutional rights. “The First Amendment prohibits the promotion of the religion of Islam over other faiths, such as Christianity or Judaism, in our public schools,” says the complaint, filed in U.S District Court in Maryland. Katie O’Malley-Simpson, spokeswoman for the Charles County school system, said she could not comment on pending litigation. But when Wood first raised concerns about the assignments in 2014, the school system released a statement clarifying what students learn in its World History classes. The unit to which Wood objected is meant to teach about Middle Eastern empires and the role that Islam — along with politics, culture, economics and geography — played in the history and development of those empires, the statement said. The course covers other religions in other units; students study Christianity when they learn about the Renaissance, for example, and Hinduism and Buddhism in units about India and China. Now Wood is asking the court to rescind the no-trespass order, alleging that the ban violates his First Amendment rights to speak about and advocate for his daughter’s activities at a public school. School officials banned him only because they disagreed with him and “wanted to quash criticism of their pro-Islamic curriculum,” he argued in a motion filed on Monday. O’Malley-Simpson said she had not yet seen Wood’s motion asking the court to rescind the ban, and therefore could not comment on it. Notice how the religion the Public education System is quick and adamant about teaching is Islam? And not Jesus Christ and his gospel??? Told you people almost 4 years ago this was coming in this very thread!! -Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1374] Author : Gunny Date : 02-25-2016 04:22 AM Notice how the religion the Public education System is quick and adamant about teaching is Islam? And not Jesus Christ and his gospel??? Told you people almost 4 years ago this was coming in this very thread!! -Tyr I took mine. Where it hurts. School districts get to suck off the government for military dependents. I told them I was pulling my kid out and putting her in private school and they could kiss those tax dollars goodbye. That was my part in depriving the leeches government money. The way they acted you'd have thought I wanted to live around the Ring Around the Congo. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1375] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 07-24-2016 10:08 AM http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/games/index.aspx Games Muslims Play: Home Page Given Islam's violent history and the unfavorable contrast that its oppressive practices have against 21st century values, Muslims are hard-pressed to repackage their faith in the modern age. Some of its leading apologists have come to rely on tricks involving semantics and half-truths that are, in turn, repeated verbatim by novices and those outside the faith. Here we try to expose some of these games and help truth-seekers find their way through the maze of disingenuous (often blatantly false) claims about Islam and its history. The Games: “If Islam Were a Violent Religion, then All Muslims Would be Violent.” “Other Religions Kill, too.” Muhammad Preached 'No Compulsion in Religion' (Quran: 2:256) The Crusades “Muhammad Never Killed Anyone.” The Quran Teaches that All Life is Sacred (Quran 5:32) "Muslims are Only to Kill in Self-Defense.” The Million Dollar Wager that "Holy War" isn't in the Quran. "Verses of Violence are Taken Out of Context." "Islam Must be True Because It is the World’s Fastest Growing Religion." "The Quran can Only be Understood in Arabic." "Terrorists Can't be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/07/video-robert-spencer-exposes-cairs-cynical-and-deceptive-islamophobin-campaign -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1376] Author : Gunny Date : 07-24-2016 06:14 PM Games Muslims Play: Home Page Given Islam's violent history and the unfavorable contrast that its oppressive practices have against 21st century values, Muslims are hard-pressed to repackage their faith in the modern age. Some of its leading apologists have come to rely on tricks involving semantics and half-truths that are, in turn, repeated verbatim by novices and those outside the faith. Here we try to expose some of these games and help truth-seekers find their way through the maze of disingenuous (often blatantly false) claims about Islam and its history. The Games: “If Islam Were a Violent Religion, then All Muslims Would be Violent.” “Other Religions Kill, too.” Muhammad Preached 'No Compulsion in Religion' (Quran: 2:256) The Crusades “Muhammad Never Killed Anyone.” The Quran Teaches that All Life is Sacred (Quran 5:32) "Muslims are Only to Kill in Self-Defense.” The Million Dollar Wager that "Holy War" isn't in the Quran. "Verses of Violence are Taken Out of Context." "Islam Must be True Because It is the World’s Fastest Growing Religion." "The Quran can Only be Understood in Arabic." "Terrorists Can't be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I got say, that's a nice list of excuses. :laugh: So Muhammed never even did his own killing? Damned wuss. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1377] Author : Black Diamond Date : 07-24-2016 06:18 PM I got say, that's a nice list of excuses. :laugh: So Muhammed never even did his own killing? Damned wuss. Charles Manson didn't either. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1378] Author : Gunny Date : 07-24-2016 06:25 PM Charles Manson didn't either. I don't get where these people come from. If I'm going to kill you, I'm going to stand in your face and let you know who's doing it. These people are cowards. They run around in black pajamas and hide their faces and wage war against noncombatants. I have nothing but contempt for that. I say round 'em like a herd and march their asses to court for war crimes. And I don't care if they proclaim innocence. Since y'all all look and dress the same, you can all be executed the same. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1379] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-21-2016 09:03 PM http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?57698-Truck-Drives-Into-Christmas-Market-Crowd-In-Berlin&p=848627#post848627 More proof of what this thread and my stand predicted was coming and folks its here within our borders too! The obama is seeding them in as we speak--by the thousands! The obama put them in high positions in his administration.. The obama bats for them , as he is quoted as promising he would.. Just how much reality and truth has to be ignored for us to keep on kissing their s sorry asses while they kill us and organize right in our midst to destroy us?--Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1380] Author : Gunny Date : 12-22-2016 08:31 AM More proof of what this thread and my stand predicted was coming and folks its here within our borders too! The obama is seeding them in as we speak--by the thousands! The obama put them in high positions in his administration.. The obama bats for them , as he is quoted as promising he would.. Just how much reality and truth has to be ignored for us to keep on kissing their s sorry asses while they kill us and organize right in our midst to destroy us?--Tyr It begins with the enemies from within. Even a clock is right twice a day. Lincoln said something about a house divided (no, I ain't looking up the quote). We're too busy fighting ourselves to face front and go after the threat to our existence. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1381] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-22-2016 09:12 AM It begins with the enemies from within. Even a clock is right twice a day. Lincoln said something about a house divided (no, I ain't looking up the quote). We're too busy fighting ourselves to face front and go after the threat to our existence. Right on the money. Yet the media, the government, the dem party, the elitists, the college professors, the Hollywood celebs, PUBLIC EDUCATION, ETC ARE ALL TEACHING OUR CHILDREN TO GIVE WAY, TO BOW DOWN TO AND TO KISS THE ASSES OF THIS NATION'S ENEMIES. THE OBAMA'S ENTIRE DICTATORIAL REIGN HAS BEEN BASED UPON THAT LIBERAL (COWARDLY) INSANITY...... Either we reverse course in a major, major way or we will fall. History reveals the truth of that, as the path we are on, is that of failure culminating in our utter destruction as a sovereign nation. Fact.. If not corrected, Islam will aid in or else facilitate our demise itself.---Tyr -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1382] Author : Abbey Marie Date : 12-22-2016 02:44 PM Robert, do you sometimes feel like a voice crying out in the wilderness? To put it figuratively and literally, some people just won't listen until the sword is at their own throat. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1383] Author : Tyr-Ziu Saxnot Date : 12-22-2016 03:44 PM Robert, do you sometimes feel like a voice crying out in the wilderness? To put it figuratively and literally, some people just won't listen until the sword is at their own throat. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I DO MY FRIEND. HELL, I ONLY PREDICTED CHINA'S RISE TO POWER AND ITS TAKING US TO CLEANERS ABOUT 30/40 YEARS AGO AND MORE RECENTLY ABOUT 10/12 YEARS AGO ON ANOTHER FORUM. I GOT BOO'ED, LAUGHED AT, MADE FUN OF AND CALLED A FOOL ,MORON, JACKASS, IDIOT, DUMBASS, ETC. Now we see my predictions proven to have come true and those dumbasses are nowhere to found .. Same thing here with this issue about the muslims. My thread titled- ,I take My Stand , You? Yet again, we see the same thing.. The muzzies doing exactly what I predicted and our government, media and dem party aiding them just as I PREDICTED.-TYR -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1384] Author : Gunny Date : 12-22-2016 04:41 PM YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I DO MY FRIEND. HELL, I ONLY PREDICTED CHINA'S RISE TO POWER AND ITS TAKING US TO CLEANERS ABOUT 30/40 YEARS AGO AND MORE RECENTLY ABOUT 10/12 YEARS AGO ON ANOTHER FORUM. I GOT BOO'ED, LAUGHED AT, MADE FUN OF AND CALLED A FOOL ,MORON, JACKASS, IDIOT, DUMBASS, ETC. Now we see my predictions proven to have come true and those dumbasses are nowhere to found .. Same thing here with this issue about the muslims. My thread titled- ,I take My Stand , You? Yet again, we see the same thing.. The muzzies doing exactly what I predicted and our government, media and dem party aiding them just as I PREDICTED.-TYR The Sound of Silence. Old Simon and Garfunkel song. As true today as it was in the 60s. People hearing without listening. People talking without speaking. And my words, like silent raindrops fell ... The ones that hear you, hear you. The ones that don't, aren't going to. Truth is a horrible thing to those facing t. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Debate Policy - Political Message Board (http://www.debatepolicy.com) at 03-29-2024 09:33 AM.