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			<title>Terror Attack Woolwich, England</title>
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			A man thought to be a British soldier has been <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303" target="_blank">killed by Islamist terrorists</a>  in a horrific attack in broad daylight in a London street. Two men ran  the victim over with a car before hacking him to death with knives and a  machete, while shouting “Allahu Akbar.”<br />
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 The attackers apparently filmed themselves carrying out the killing,  and invited stunned bystanders to take photos and video of them posing  beside their victim. <a href="http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/05/22/video-the-woolwich-killer/" target="_blank">Video has been aired on ITV news</a>  of one of the attackers brandishing a blood-stained machete and  shouting at bystanders, as onlookers tried to help the slain man. He’s  heard saying “<b><b>I apologize that women had to witness this today, but in our lands women have to see the same.” Judging by the accent of the man <a href="http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/05/22/video-the-woolwich-killer/" target="_blank">speaking in the video</a>,  he’s either British born or has spent some years in the country, making  it likely that the terrorists were “home-grown,” rather than from  outside the country.</b></b><br />
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			In a disturbing twist to the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/woolwich-attack-beheaded-london_n_3320758.html" target="_blank">"sickening and barbaric attack"</a> on a man in London's Woolwich neighborhood, video has emerged of a man defending the assault. <br />
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  The video appears to show the man proselytizing with a knife and meat cleaver in his bloody hands. <br />
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  The alleged attacker tells the camera, "I apologize women had to  witness this today. But in our land, our women have to see the same. You  people will never be safe. Remove your governments. They don't care  about you."<br />
  Two men attacked another man near military baracks in London's  Woolwich on Wednesday, in what witnesses described to The Telegraph as a  <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10073910/Soldier-beheaded-in-Islamist-terror-attack-oustide-barracks-in-Woolwich.html" target="_blank">"beheading."</a>  In a joint press conference with French President Francois Hollande,  British PM said there are "strong indications" that the assault is <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/woolwich-attack-beheaded-london_n_3320758.html?utm_hp_ref=world" target="_blank">terror-related</a>. The French President added that the victim was a British soldier. <br />
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			<title><![CDATA[US Hasn't Detained Five Benghazi Terrorists Due to Trial-Related Evidentiary Concerns]]></title>
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<div style="margin-left:40px">U.S. officials say they have identified five men they believe might be behind the attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, last year. The officials say they have enough evidence to justify seizing them by military force as suspected terrorists — but not enough proof to try them in a U.S. civilian court as the Obama administration prefers. So the officials say the men remain at large while the FBI gathers more evidence. <b>The decision not to seize the men militarily underscores the White House's aim to move away from hunting terrorists as enemy combatants and toward trying them as criminals in a civilian justice system.<br />
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</b>Consider the implications of this report: Our government/military/intelligence community has the information and capacity to haul in at least five of the suspected Benghazi terrorists, but eight months after the deadly raid, they remain free men <i>entirely</i> because of the Obama administration's ideological obsession with furnishing foreign terrorists with civilian trials.  Will the American people stand for this?  Remember, this is the same White House that <a href="http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/03/11/wh-official-holders-letter-to-rand-paul-was-a-nonanswer-n1531213" target="_blank">refuses to close the door</a> on using drone strikes to kill US citizens on American soil even if they aren't in the act of carrying out an imminent attack.  They've already <a href="http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/05/16856963-american-drone-deaths-highlight-controversy?lite" target="_blank">liquidated</a> several Al Qaeda-linked US citizens on foreign soil.  They've <a href="http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-04-25/world/35452363_1_signature-strikes-drone-strikes-qaeda" target="_blank">expanded</a> "signature strikes" and changed the metric for calculating civilian casualties.  In this case, we've identified five foreign nationals who we've determined to be responsible for participating in the sacking our Benghazi consulate and the murder of four Americans -- including a sitting ambassador -- yet they're roaming the streets indefinitely while we try to build an airtight <i>criminal case</i> against them.  President Drone's double-standard here is completely baffling beyond the realm of political posturing.  Obama feels the need to distinguish himself from his predecessor, even as he adopts and expands many Bush-era policies.  So he's doubled down on civilian trials for terrorists and banning certain harsh interrogation techniques.  In fairness, such techniques are only useful in wringing actionable intel from <i>captured</i> terrorists.  Obama's policy essentially dictates that terrorists either be (a) summarily executed or (b) afforded the legal rights on US citizens.  That's insane.  Entire books <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Willful-Blindness-A-Memoir-Jihad/dp/B0096JF6FA" target="_blank">have been written</a> about the perils of treating global jihad and terrorism as a routine law enforcement proposition, but this new development reads like dark satire.  <br />
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			<title><![CDATA[AP Big Story: FBI Knows Benghazi Murders, Obama Wants 'Smart' Diplomacy]]></title>
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WASHINGTON  (AP) — <b>The U.S. has identified five men who might be responsible for  the attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, last year, and  has enough evidence to justify seizing them by military force as  suspected terrorists, officials say. But there isn't enough proof to try  them in a U.S. civilian court as the <u>Obama administration prefers.</u></b><br />
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 The men remain at large while the FBI gathers evidence. But the  investigation has been slowed by the reduced U.S. intelligence presence  in the region since the Sept. 11, 2012, attacks, and by the limited  ability to assist by Libya's post-revolutionary law enforcement and  intelligence agencies, which are still in their infancy since the  overthrow of dictator Col. Moammar Gadhafi.<br />
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 The decision not to seize the men militarily underscores the White  House aim to move away from hunting terrorists as enemy combatants and  holding them at the military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The  preference is toward a process in which most are apprehended and tried  by the countries where they are living or arrested by the U.S. with the  host country's cooperation and tried in the U.S. criminal justice  system. Using military force to detain the men might also harm fledgling  relations with Libya and other post-Arab-Spring governments with whom  the U.S. is trying to build partnerships to hunt al-Qaida as the  organization expands throughout the region.<br />
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 A senior administration official said the FBI has identified a number  of individuals that it believes have information or may have been  involved, and is considering options to bring those responsible to  justice. But taking action in remote eastern Libya would be difficult.  America's relationship with Libya would be weighed as part of those  options, the official said, speaking only on condition of anonymity  because the official was not authorized to discuss the effort publicly.<br />
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			<title>Prez has Authority to commit troops Anytime anywhere without congress...</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 15:16:53 GMT</pubDate>
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The only one that seemed to agree with them is that constitution terrorist Lindsey Graham.<br />
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the pentagon Reps stated flatly that they Believe and operate under the understanding that the president ALREADY has the "domestic" authority to send troops to war anywhere in the world from "Boston to the Middle East".<br />
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the headline of the article title is far to mild for the reactions of the Senators.<br />
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the DoD reps say they believe the authority is Found In the AUMF from 2011. But Senator after senator point out that the AUMF does NOT use the term "associated forces" and specifically limits the action to 9-11 attackers.<br />
while the Pentagon reads it as a Blank Check on any enemy of the State foreign or domestic. <br />
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<font color="#800000">McCains and the others response is clear. Basically, <i>Pentagon your reading is BS. The AUMF is not a blank check on war <b>forever</b> and in reading it that way you've completely nullified the congress's power to declare war.</i></font><br />
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this hearing is along the lines another we talked about a while back...<br />
<a href="http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?34511-International-Permission%92-Trumps-Congressional-Permission-For-Military-Actions" target="_blank">http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...litary-Actions</a><br />
Where Penatta said the same thing from different angle. saying the prez had the power he just needed approval from the U.N. to attack other countries.<br />
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Also the recent thread about pentagon and "civil disturbance"<br />
<a href="http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?40864-Pentagon-Unilaterally-Grants-Itself-Authority-Over-%91Civil-Disturbances%92&amp;p=639311#post639311" target="_blank">http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...311#post639311</a><br />
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And the old thread about president being able to drone kill -assassinate- anyone who MIGHT be dangerous<br />
<a href="http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?39264-Legal-quot-justification-quot-4-Prez-to-Kill-people-White-Paper-Full-text&amp;highlight=full+text" target="_blank">http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthre...ight=full+text</a><br />
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To keep you safe the constitution must go. <br />
no president will <b><i>ever</i></b> abuse the power... we're Americans, our leaders are different than the leaders of history and other countries.  Only liberals have a problem with dictatorial powers in America. rrarrr<br />
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			WASHINGTON -- The war authorization that Congress passed after 9/11  will be needed for at least 10 to 20 more years, and can be used to put  the United States military on the ground anywhere, from Syria to the  Congo to Boston, military officials argued Thursday.<br />
  The revelations came during a hearing before the Senate Armed  Services Committee and surprised even experts in America's use of force  stemming from the terrorist attacks in 2001.<br />
  "This is the most astounding and most astoundingly disturbing hearing  that I've been to since I've been here. You guys have essentially  rewritten the Constitution today," Sen. Angus King (I-Maine) told four  senior U.S. military officials who testified about the 2001  Authorization to Use Military Force and what it allows the White House  to do.<br />
  King and others were stunned by answers to specific questions about where President Barack Obama could use force <a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/sjres23/text" target="_blank">under the key provision of the AUMF </a> -- a 60-word paragraph that targeted those responsible for the 9/11 attacks.<br />
  "I learned more in this hearing about the scope of the AUMF than in  all of my study in the last four or five years," said Harvard Law  professor Jack Goldsmith, who was called by the committee to offer  independent comments on the issue. "I thought I knew what the  application [of the AUMF] meant, but I'm less confident now," he added  later.<br />
  Concerns emerged largely from questions by senators who approve of an  aggressive strategy to combat terrorism, including Sen. Lindsey Graham  (R-S.C.), who asked if the AUMF gave Obama the authority to put "boots  on the ground" in Yemen or the Congo.<br />
Robert Taylor, the acting general counsel for the Department of  Defense said yes, as long as the purpose was targeting a group  associated with al Qaeda that intended to harm the United States or its  coalition partners.   <br />
"Would you agree with me, the battlefield is anywhere the enemy chooses to make it?" asked Graham.<br />
  "Yes sir, from Boston to FATA [Pakistan's federally administered  tribal areas]," answered Michael Sheehan, the assistant secretary of  defense who oversees special operations. <br />
  Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) later raised the specter of the AUMF being  used to intervene in Syria, where the group Al Nusra, believed to be  affiliated with Al Qaeda, is active. Al Nusra has not been linked to  9/11.<br />
  Sheehan said yes, if defense officials determined the group was  becoming a threat. The same criteria applied to other groups, even if  they were locally focused and operating in other nations. Taylor  confirmed that AUMF also would cover individuals, even those who had not  been born by 9/11, if, as Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) asked, they someday  were to "become associated with a group that associates with Al Qaeda."<br />
  When asked about an expiration date for the war authorization,  Sheehan said it would be when al Qaeda had been consigned to the "ash  heap of history." "I think it's at least 10 to 20 years."<br />
  While none of the senators suggested dialing back efforts to stop  terrorists, they were clearly disturbed at the power being asserted by  the military.<br />
  "I'm just a little old lawyer from Brunswick, Maine, but I don't see  how you can possibly read this to be in comport with the Constitution,"  King said, arguing that the defense officials' interpretation of the  AUMF makes the war power of Congress "a nullity." "Under your reading,  we've granted unbelievable powers to the president and it's a very  dangerous precedent."<br />
  Kaine found the suggestion that the AUMF could be used to go into  Syria especially disturbing. "The testimony I hear today suggests the  administration believes that they would have the authority to do that,"  Kaine said. "But I don't want us to walk out of the room leaving an  impression that members of Congress also share the understanding that  that would be acceptable."<br />
  The DOD officials repeatedly defended the authority they've claimed,  noting that al Qaeda is not a traditional enemy, and that it shifts  locations and changes its tactics. The broad interpretation of the AUMF,  they argued, gives them the flexibility to deal with the changing  threat in a lawful, effective manner.<br />
  But even Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who generally agrees with Graham  in pursuing a vigorous war on terror, said the AUMF has been stretched  past the breaking point.<br />
  "This authority ... has grown way out of proportion and is no longer  applicable to the conditions that prevailed, that motivated the United  States Congress to pass the authorization for the use of military force  that we did in 2001," McCain said.<br />
  "For you to come here and say we don't need to change it or revise or  update it, I think is, well, disturbing," McCain said, noting that the  AUMF also is used to justify things like drone strikes that were never  contemplated by Congress. "I don't blame you because basically you've  got carte blanche as to what you are doing around the world."<br />
  No one suggested specific solutions, but did say the Senate will deal  with the problem later this year when the committee takes on the  National Defense Authorization Act for 2014.<br />
  The broad assertion of authority by the military is likely to disturb  civil libertarians on the left and right who have complained that the  AUMF and a previous version of the NDAA give the military power to  indefinitely detain U.S. citizens. Obama has issued orders banning such  practices, but DOD officials apparently believe the law grants them the  power to act anywhere.<br />
  <i>Michael McAuliff covers Congress and politics for The Huffington Post. Talk to him <a href="http://on.fb.me/rxohxd" target="_blank">on Facebook.</a></i><br />
			
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“This is like putting Jack the Ripper in charge of a women’s shelter,” said UN Watch executive director Hillel Neuer in a statement. “Iran is an international outlaw state that illegally supplies rockets to Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas, aiding and abetting mass murder and terrorism. To make this rogue regime head of world arms control is simply an outrage. Abusers of international norms should not be the public face of the U.N.” …<br />
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</div><i>Come on</i>. Iran, you might remember, is currently under United Nations sanctions for their refusal to lay off of their sketchy nuclear program, but U.N. officials are saying that it is merely Iran’s turn in the rotation to take charge of the proceedings. Apparently, this is not supposed to be a big deal, because it’s purely a ceremonial/administrative thing… but I don’t happen to see it that way, and fortunately, <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h19SWHjTcO0jT_XZp9NYViqVz__A?docId=CNG.3c0807831be18c405f1a468b66764294.4b1" target="_blank">neither does</a> the U.S. delegation:<br />
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But she added that “allowing Iran — a country that is in flagrant violation of its obligations under multiple UN Security Council resolutions and to the IAEA board of governors — to hold such a position runs counter to the goals and objectives of the Conference on Disarmament itself,” said the spokeswoman.</div><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/14/oh-lovely-iran-to-preside-over-united-nations-arms-control-forum-this-month/" target="_blank">http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/1...um-this-month/</a><br />
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			A Saudi student living in Michigan was questioned in his home by FBI  agents after neighbours saw him carrying a pressure cooker and called  the police.<br />
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Talal al Rouki had been cooking a traditional Saudi Arabian rice dish called kabsah and was carrying it to a friend's house.<br />
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According to reports in a Saudi newspaper on Friday, the FBI are  increasingly vigilant about 'pressure cooker' home-made bombs after the  Boston bombers used one to make an explosive.<br />
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'They asked me about my major, when I arrived in the US and what I do in my spare time' he told the Saudi newspaper.<br />
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Officers said that two days earlier that a woman had seen him walking  out of his apartment carrying the pressure cooker pot, which was  described as ‘bullet coloured’.<br />
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The young student showed them his pressure cooker and explained to them he used to make a rice dish.<br />
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An FBI agent said: 'You need to be more careful moving around with such things, Sir'<br />
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Mr al Rouki has become a focus of attention now in the Saudi press.<br />
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According to reports in a Saudi newspaper, the FBI are increasingly  vigilant about ‘pressure cooker’ home-made bombs and have a keen eye on  Arabs who reside in the US.<br />
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Three families of fallen Navy SEAL Team 6 special forces members and one family of an Army National Guardsman held the event at the National Press Club to make this startling allegation, among many others. Their children perished during the fatal Chinook helicopter crash that occurred in Afghanistan on August 6, 2011. The presser was an effort, as noted in a press release, to corroborate the notion that the U.S. government is "as much responsible for the deaths of their sons as is the Taliban."<br />
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If this is true somebody should have to pay big time. I know that such socalled religious leaders would do such a deed and think they are righteously serving Allah. According to the Koran no vile act is too low to be used on infidels! <br />
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      On Friday, Jan. 24, 1975, it exploded onto center stage.<br />
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      The place was Fraunces Tavern, the historic red- and yellow-brick  restaurant on Pearl St. where, as any tour book will tell you, that most  famous of American freedom fighters, <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/George+Washington" target="_blank">George Washington</a>, said farewell to his officers in 1783.<br />
      History would again be made at the tavern on a mild winter day 192 years later.<br />
      A lively crowd of Wall Streeters and business executives were having  lunch in the Anglers and Tarpon Club, in a second floor dining room  adjacent to the main building. Among them were <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Harold+Sherburne" target="_blank">Harold H. Sherburne</a>, 66, whose career on Wall Street spanned four decades, and a young banker, <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Frank+Connor" target="_blank">Frank Connor</a>, 33, who had worked his way up over 15 years from clerk to assistant vice president at Morgan Guaranty Trust. Two executives, <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/James+Gezork" target="_blank">James Gezork</a>, 32, of Wilmington, Del., and <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Alejandro+Berger" target="_blank">Alejandro Berger</a>, 28, who worked for a Philadelphia-based chemical company, had traveled to New York for business meetings.<br />
      It would be their last meal.<br />
      At 1:29 p.m., a tremendous explosion rocked the building, sending  shivers up to the 60th floor cafeteria of the nearby Chase Manhattan  Bank building. Firefighters found a scene of &#8220;utter havoc,&#8221; with blood-  and dust-covered men and women, many in business attire, writhing in  agony in the streets, or shrieking under piles of rubble, or wandering  about with stunned, blank eyes.<br />
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      Sherburne, Connor and Berger died on the spot. Gezork lost his fight for life later at the hospital.<br />
      Within 15 minutes &#8212; even as, the News noted, &#8220;dazed and screaming  victims, one of them with an arm torn off, were being carried away&#8221; &#8212;  the Associated Press received a phone call. The caller boasted that the  bomb was the handiwork of the FALN, the Armed Forces of Puerto Rican  National Liberation, radicals devoted to using violence to free the  island from the grips of the United States.<br />
      In a note police found in a phone booth nearby, the FALN wrote, &#8220;we &#8230;  take full responsibility for the especially detornated (sic) bomb that  exploded today at Fraunces Tavern, with reactionary corporate executives  inside.&#8221;<br />
      <b>The note explained that the bomb &#8212; roughly 10 pounds of dynamite that  had been crammed into an attaché case and slipped into the tavern&#8217;s  entrance hallway </b>&#8212; was retaliation for the &#8220;CIA ordered bomb&#8221; that  killed three and injured 11, one a child, in a restaurant in Puerto  Rico.<br />
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      &#8220;You have unleashed a storm from which you comfortable Yankis (sic) cannot escape,&#8221; the writers warned.<br />
      Few Americans had heard of the group or its gripes before, even though  the question of Puerto Rican independence had been long debated. FALN  saw violence as the only path to freedom, despite the views of Puerto  Rican voters, who consistently favored maintaining U.S. ties.<br />
      Witnesses said they saw two Hispanic men running from the scene just  before the explosion, but police could not find them, and the  investigation stalled.<br />
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                   More bombings followed here, including <b>one in the Mobil Building on  42nd St. that killed an attorney, and in Chicago, Washington, D.C.,  Newark and Miami. Over the next nine years, FALN would take credit for <font color="#800000"> more than 130 bombings that killed six, and maimed and injured scores of  victims.</font></b><br />
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      Each time the terrorists evaded capture.<br />
      Investigators had nothing until July 12, 1978, when another explosion  uncovered an FALN &#8220;bomb factory,&#8221; in a two-room apartment in Queens.<br />
      <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/William+Morales" target="_blank">William Morales</a>,  an FALN explosives expert, had been building a pipe bomb when something  went wrong. Three-quarters of his face, six teeth, his right eye, and  all but one of his fingers, a thumb, were blown off.<br />
      No firm evidence could be found to link Morales to the Fraunces Tavern  attack, but his possession of the explosives &#8212; including 70 sticks of  dynamite &#8212; earned him a jail sentence of 89 years.<br />
      He did not serve much time. Although he had no fingers and just one  eye, Morales somehow managed to escape from Bellevue Hospital&#8217;s prison  ward by using an ACE bandage to lower himself 40 feet to the ground. He  fled to Mexico, and then to Cuba, where he remains, free, to this day.<br />
      No one was ever tried for planting the Fraunces Tavern bomb, although  in the early 1980s, 16 FALN members, including one of the leaders, <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Oscar+Lopez-Rivera" target="_blank">Oscar Lopez-Rivera</a>, were arrested and convicted of plotting to overthrow the government, weapons possession, and other charges. In 1999, <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Bill+Clinton" target="_blank">President Bill Clinton</a>  made the highly controversial decision, which was opposed by the FBI  and other law-enforcement agencies and Clinton&#8217;s own wife, to offer  clemency for FALN prisoners. His rationale: The punishments, long prison  sentences of 70 or more years, did not fit the crimes.<br />
      Lopez-Rivera, who turned down Clinton&#8217;s offer, is the last FALN member  still behind bars. Attending his January 2011 parole hearing was a small  group of victims of FALN terrorists, led by <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Joseph+Connor" target="_blank">Joseph Connor</a>. He was 9 years old when his father died over lunch at Fraunces Tavern.<br />
      Lopez-Rivera&#8217;s bid for parole was denied and he will not be eligible  again until 2021. &#8220;Finally,&#8221; Connor said in a presentation at the  National Press Club in June, &#8220;some justice for our father, Frank Connor,  and other victims of the FALN.&#8221;<br />
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 No para military armed LEOs at ever door demanding to be let in to search.<br />
No one being tossed from their homes.<br />
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I don't think any of that was done after the Oklahoma city bombing either.<br />
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Why are paniced out of minds over this Boston tragedy, to Shut down the freaking city over presure cookers and 2 kids with hand guns?! Toss the 4th amendment in the trash over it?!?<br />
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It's overkill in the extreme to think that all of that Boston area actions were called for, much less all legally justified.<br />
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Seems like the terrorist get some <i>extra</i> victory when we allow them this much power over our lives and show this level of panic. <br />
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I think the country needs to step back and get some perspective, and maybe shake some of the 911 PTSS I think we have.<br />
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                         <article> In a grainy video, a woman with flowing dreadlocks strolls through a <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/assata-shakur-was-convicted-of-murder-is-she-a-terrorist/2013/05/08/69acb602-b7e5-11e2-aa9e-a02b765ff0ea_story.html?hpid=z4#" target="_blank">market</a> in Cuba, smelling spices and smiling at the camera. In another scene, she is wearing a black T-shirt, her long hair parted to reveal the words “framed, jailed, exile.”<br />
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In the video, Assata Shakur’s voice is high-pitched and soft, out of sync with the fact that she is a notorious fugitive convicted of the murder of a New Jersey state trooper. The footage comes from a documentary filmed in Cuba where Shakur — a.k.a. Joanne Deborah Chesimard — has lived since the early 1980s under political asylum. It is a celebration of her radical politics. In it she calls herself a revolutionary seeking freedom for “my people.”<br />
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Shakur’s 1977 conviction and later escape from prison have made her an icon of black power enthusiasts. Last week, it also made her the first woman ever to be named to the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorists list.<br />
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It is the decision to add Shakur, 65, to the <a href="http://www.fbi.gov/newark/press-releases/2013/joanne-chesimard-convicted-murderer-and-fugitive-named-to-fbi-most-wanted-terrorists-list-with-1-million-fbi-reward-offered-for-information-leading-to-her-capture-and-return" target="_blank">list of terrorists </a>that has reopened old debates about radicalism and the racial politics of the early 1970s while spurring discussion about the meaning of “domestic terrorism.” <br />
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There is no question that Shakur was on the scene when the state trooper was murdered. But does she belong on a list that includes affiliates of international jihadist groups? <br />
To begin to answer the question, one must understand Assata Shakur, the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/assata-shakur-was-convicted-of-murder-is-she-a-terrorist/2013/05/08/69acb602-b7e5-11e2-aa9e-a02b765ff0ea_story.html?hpid=z4#" target="_blank">crime</a> for which she was convicted, and the efforts to define that crime as an act of terrorism. <br />
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			A new global survey of Muslims by the Pew Research Center has found that Palestinian Arab Muslims polled the highest in favor of suicide bombings as a justifiable means “to defend Islam.”<br />
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Most Muslims reject suicide bombing and other attacks against civilians, but a substantial minority in many counties—including 40 percent in Palestine, 39 percent in Afghanistan, 26 percent in Bangladesh, 29 percent in Egypt, 15 percent in Jordan and 15 percent in Turkey—view attacks against civilians as a legitimate means to defending Islam against its enemies.<br />
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Few U.S. Muslims voice support for suicide bombing or other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam. Eighty one percent say such acts are never justified to defend Islam, 7 percent say it’s “sometimes” justified and 1 percent it is “often justified.” to defend Islam. (do we have the ability to compare to the general support for suicide bombings among non-Muslim Americans? Did Pew poll that?)<br />
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Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified Fifty eight percent of American Muslims rejected al-Qaeda outright, 5 % have a favorable view of al-Qaeda and 27% percent couldn’t make up their minds of the terrorist organization.<br />
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“It takes a village to make a suicide bomber it’s not just one person waking up and wants to be a suicide bomber, they must be recruited and groomed by Islamic extremist organizations that prepare them, train them and lead them to a target,”,the Heritage Foundation's Middle East analyst James Phillips told <i>Townhall</i>.<br />
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 The poll also examined Muslim views on the following topics: Homosexuality, women's rights, Sharia Law, and honor killing. <br />
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A majority of Muslims in Afghanistan (78%) and Iraq (76%) don’t believe in a woman's right to decide whether or not to veil her face and condone extra-judicial executions of women who allegedly have ‘shamed their families’ by engaging in premarital sex or adultery.<br />
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 Israel had long made clear it  is prepared to resort to force to prevent advanced Syrian weapons,  including President Bashar al-Assad's reputed chemical arsenal, reaching  his Hezbollah allies or Islamist rebels taking part in a more than  two-year-old uprising against his government.<br />
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Israelis  are worried that if Assad is toppled, Islamist fighters could turn his  guns on them next door, after four decades of relative calm along the  Golan Heights border zone.<br />
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A Lebanese security source said his initial  impression was that Israeli overflights were monitoring potential arms  shipments between Syria and Lebanon, potentially to Hezbollah, a  militant Shi'ite Muslim ally of <a href="http://www.reuters.com/places/iran" target="_blank">Iran</a> and Assad.<br />
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			<b>EXCLUSIVE: Saudi Arabia 'warned the United States IN WRITING about Boston Bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2012'</b><br /><br /><ul><li style="">Saudis developed intelligence separately from Russia, which also warned the U.S. about the accused Boston bomber<br /></li><li style="">A  letter to the Department of Homeland Security allegedly named Tsarnaev  and three Pakistanis as potential jihadis worthy of U.S. investigation</li><li style="">Red  flags from Saudi Arabia to have included Tsarnaev's name and  information about a planned explosive attack on a major U.S. city<br /></li><li style="">Saudi foreign minister, national security chief both met with Obama in the oval office in early 2013</li></ul><br />
  By  <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&amp;authornamef=David+Martosko" target="_blank">David Martosko</a> and <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&amp;authornamef=The+American+Media+Institute" target="_blank">The American Media Institute</a><br />
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The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia sent a  written warning about accused Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev  to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in 2012, long before  pressure-cooker blasts killed three and injured hundreds, according to a  senior Saudi government official with direct knowledge of the document.<br />
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The  Saudi warning, the official told MailOnline, was separate from the  multiple red flags raised by Russian intelligence in 2011, and was based  on human intelligence developed independently in Yemen.<br />
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Citing  security concerns, the Saudi government also denied an entry visa to  the elder Tsarnaev brother in December 2011, when he hoped to make a  pilgrimage to Mecca, the source said. Tsarnaev's plans to visit Saudi  Arabia have not been previously disclosed.<br />
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The Saudis' warning to the U.S.  government was also shared with the British government. 'It was very  specific’ and warned that 'something was going to happen in a major U.S.  city,' the Saudi official said during an extensive interview.<br />
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It  'did name Tamerlan specifically,' he added. The  'government-to-government' letter, which he said was sent to the  Department of Homeland Security at the highest level, did not name  Boston or suggest a date for his planned attack.<br />
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An eyewitness to 2012's infamous Benghazi attack says the U.S. did not employ all of the defensive resources it could have to save the American lives lost the night of September 11th.<br />
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A special operations member who witnessed the attack on the U.S. Mission unfold in Benghazi, Libya on September 11 last year, as well as debriefed those who took part in the response, spoke with Fox News' Adam Housley on Monday night and revealed information that directly contradicts the administration's insistence that there was not enough time nor resources to send to Benghazi to help State Department employees, contractors, and intel operatives who were under a terrorist attack. FNC kept their source's identity hidden, as witnesses to the Benghazi attack have reportedly been intimidated  by the administration into silence. The assault left four Americans dead, including U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens.<br />
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"I know for a fact that C110 was doing a training exercise not in the region of northern Africa but in Europe and they have the ability to react and respond," the special ops member told FNC. <br />
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The C110 is a 40-man special operations commanders and extremists force. They are capable of rapid response and deployment and are specifically trained for Benghazi attack-like incidents. The night of the attack, according to the special op, they were training 3 &amp; 1/2 hours away in Croatia. <br />
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"We have the ability to load out, get on birds, at a minimum stage. C110 had the ability to be there, in my opinion, in 4 to 6 hours from their European theater to react. They would have been there before the second attack," he said, adding, "And you hear a whole bunch of advisers say, 'We wouldn’t have sent them there, because the security was an unknown situation.' If it’s an unknown situation, at a minimum, you send forces there to facilitate the exfill—medical, injuries. We could have sent a C130 to provide medical evacuation for the injured."<br />
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The State Department could have called another station for help, as well. According to the source, there were at least 15 special forces and highly skilled State Dept. security staff in the Libyan capital of Tripoli who were not deployed even though they were trained as a quick response force. By air, the travel time between Tripoli and Benghazi is roughly over one hour. <br />
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Instead, seven men who were American reinforcements in Tripoli, along with Agent Glenn Doherty, commandeered a jet and flew to Benghazi. Ultimately, Doherty and Tyrone Woods would be killed on the roof of the CIA annex. <br />
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The special op member told Fox News, "If it wasn’t for that decision, I think we would be talking completely different about this situation. I think you would be looking at 20 plus hostages captured by AQ or you would be looking at a lot of dead Americans in Benghazi."<br />
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At least four career officials at the State Department and the Central  Intelligence Agency have retained lawyers or are in the process of doing so, as  they prepare to provide sensitive information about the Benghazi attacks to  Congress, Fox News has learned.<br />
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Victoria Toensing, a former Justice Department official and Republican  counsel to the Senate Intelligence Committee, is now representing one of the  State Department employees. She told Fox News her client and some of the others,  who consider themselves whistle-blowers, have been threatened by unnamed Obama  administration officials.<br />
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“I'm not talking generally, I'm talking specifically about Benghazi – that  people have been threatened,” Toensing said in an interview Monday. “And not  just the State Department. People have been threatened at the CIA.”<br />
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Toensing declined to name her client. She also refused to say whether the  individual was on the ground in Benghazi on the night of Sept. 11, 2012, when  terrorist attacks on two U.S. installations in the Libyan city killed four  Americans, including U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens.<br />
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However, Toensing disclosed that her client has pertinent information on all  three time periods investigators consider relevant to the attacks: the months  that led up to the attack, when pleas by the ambassador and his staff for  enhanced security in Benghazi were mostly rejected by senior officers at the  State Department; the eight-hour time frame in which the attacks unfolded, and  the eight-day period that followed the attacks, when Obama administration  officials incorrectly described them as the result of a spontaneous protest over  a video.<br />
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“It's frightening, and they're doing some very despicable threats to people,”  she said. “Not ‘we're going to kill you,’ or not ‘we're going to prosecute you  tomorrow,’ but they're taking career people and making them well aware that  their careers will be over [if they cooperate with congressional  investigators].”<br />
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			<b><font size="4">Bipartisan Report: U.S. Practiced Widespread  Torture, <u><font color="#800000">Torture Has &#8220;No Justification&#8221; and Doesn&#8217;t Yield Significant  Information</font></u>, Nation&#8217;s Highest Officials Bear Responsibility</font></b><br />
                                              Posted on <a href="http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/bipartisan-report-u-s-practiced-widespread-torture-torture-has-no-jusification-and-doesnt-yield-significant-information-nations-highest-officials-bear-responsibility.html" target="_blank">April 18, 2013</a> by <a href="http://www.washingtonsblog.com/author/washingtonsblog" target="_blank">WashingtonsBlog</a>                    <br />
                                                <b>We Can&#8217;t Just Look Forward &#8230; We Have to Admit What Went Wrong</b><br />
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 Yesterday, a bi-partisan panel &#8211; co-chaired by the former undersecretary of homeland security under President George W. Bush, former Republican congressman from Arkansas and NRA consultant (Asa Hutchinson) and former Democratic congressman and U.S. ambassador to Mexico (James Jones) &#8211; released a 577-page report on torture after 2 years of study.<br />
Other luminaries on the panel include:<br />
&#8226;Former FBI Director William Sessions <br />
&#8226;3-star general Claudia J. Kennedy<br />
&#8226;Retired Brigadier General David Irvine<br />
&#8226;Former Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Ambassador and Representative to the United Nations, and U.S. ambassador to the Russian Federation, India, Israel, El Salvador, Nigeria, and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan Thomas Pickering<br />
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The panel concluded:<br />
&#8226;&#8220;Torture occurred in many instances and across a wide range of theaters&#8221;<br />
<font size="4"><font color="#800000"><b>&#8226;There is &#8220;no firm or persuasive evidence&#8221; that the use of such techniques yielded &#8220;significant information of value&#8221; </b></font></font><br />
&#8226;&#8220;The nation&#8217;s highest officials bear some responsibility for allowing and contributing to the spread of torture&#8221;<br />
&#8226;&#8220;Publicly acknowledging this grave error, however belatedly, may mitigate some of those consequences and help undo some of the damage to our reputation at home and abroad&#8221;<br />
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<b>&#8226;The use of torture has &#8220;no justification&#8221; and &#8220;damaged the standing of our nation, reduced our capacity to convey moral censure when necessary a<font color="#800000">nd potentially increased the danger to U.S. military personnel taken captive&#8221;</font></b><br />
&#8226;&#8220;As long as the debate continues, so too does the possibility that the United States could again engage in torture&#8221;<br />
&#8226;The Obama administration&#8217;s keeping the details of rendition and torture from the public &#8220;cannot continue to be justified on the basis of national security&#8221;, and it should stop blocking lawsuits by former detainees on the basis of claiming &#8220;state secrets&#8221;<br />
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At a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, co-chair Hutchinson said:<div style="margin-left:40px">We found that <b>U.S. personnel, in many instances, used interrogation techniques on detainees that constitute torture</b>.  American personnel conducted an even larger number of interrogations  that involved cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment. <font size="4"><font color="#800000"><b>Both categories of  actions violate U.S. laws and international treaty obligations.</b></font></font><br />
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 <u><i>This conclusion is not based upon our own personal impressions, but  rather is grounded in a thorough and detailed examination <font color="#800000">of what  constitutes torture from a historical and legal context.</font> We looked at  court cases and determined that the treatment of detainees, in many  instances, met the standards the courts have determined as constituting  torture.</i></u> But in addition, you look at the United States State  Department, in its annual country reports on <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/topics/human_rights" target="_blank">human rights</a>  practices, has characterized many of the techniques used against  detainees in U.S. custody in the post-9/11 environment&#8212;the State  Department has characterized the same treatment as torture, abuse or  cruel treatment when those techniques were employed by foreign  governments. <b>The CIA recognized this in an internal review</b>  and acknowledged that many of the interrogation techniques it employed  were inconsistent with the public policy positions the United States has  taken regarding human rights. The United States is understandably  subject to criticism when it criticizes another nation for engaging in  torture and then justifies the same conduct under national security  arguments.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left:40px">There are those that defend the techniques of&#8212;like  waterboarding, stress positions and sleep deprivation, because there was  the Office of Legal Counsel, which issued a decision approving of their  use because they define them as not being torture. Those opinions have  since been repudiated by legal experts and the OLC itself. And even in  its opinion, it relied not only on a very narrow legal definition of  torture, but also on factual representations about how the techniques  would be implemented, that later proved inaccurate. This is important  context as to how the opinion came about, but also as to how policy  makers relied upon it.</div><div style="margin-left:40px">Based upon a thorough review of the available public record, we determined that, in application, <b>torture was used against detainees in many instances and across a wide range of theaters</b>.<br />
 ***</div><div style="margin-left:40px">And while our report is critical of the approval of  interrogation techniques that ultimately led to U.S. personnel engaging  in torture of detainees, the investigation was not an undertaking of  partisan fault finding. Our conclusions about responsibility should be  taken very simply as an effort to understand what happened at many  levels of the U.S. policy making. There is no way of knowing how the  government would have responded if a Democrat administration were in  power at the time of the attacks. Indeed, <font color="#800000"><b>our report is equally critical of the rendition-to-torture program, which began under President Clinton</b>. <b>And we question several actions of the current administration, as well</b>. </font>It should be noted that many of the corrective actions that&#8212;were first undertaken during the Bush administration, as well.<br />
</div><div style="margin-left:40px">But the task force did conclude that the nation&#8217;s highest  officials, after the 9/11 attack, approved actions for CIA and Defense  personnel based upon legal guidance that has since been repudiated. The  most important decision may have been to declare the Geneva Convention  did not apply to al-Qaeda and Taliban captives in <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/topics/afghanistan" target="_blank">Afghanistan</a>  or Guantánamo. The administration never specified what rules would  apply instead. The task force believes that U.S. defense intelligence  professionals and servicemembers in harm&#8217;s way need absolutely clear  orders on the treatment of detainees, requiring at a minimum compliance  with Common Article 3 of the Geneva Convention. This was not done.  Civilian leaders and <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/topics/military" target="_blank">military</a> commanders have an affirmative responsibility to assure that their subordinates comply with the laws of <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/topics/war" target="_blank">war</a>.  President Obama has committed to observe the Geneva Conventions through  an executive order, but a future president could change it by the  stroke of a pen.<br />
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 The task force believes it is important to recognize that&#8212;that  is&#8212;that to say torture is ineffective does not require a demonstration  that it never works. A person subjected to torture might well divulge  useful information. Nor does the fact that it may sometimes yield  legitimate information justify its use. What values do America stand  for? That&#8217;s the ultimate question. But in addition to the very real  legal and moral objections to its use, torture often produces false  information, and it is difficult and time-consuming for interrogators  and analysts to distinguish what may be true and usable from that which  is false and misleading. Also, conventional, lawful interrogation  methods have proven to be successful whenever the United States uses  them throughout history&#8212;and I have seen this in law enforcement, as  well. We&#8217;ve seen no evidence in the public record that the traditional  means of interrogation would not have yielded the necessary intelligence  following the attacks of 9/11.</div>Retired Brigadier General David Irvine, a former strategic intelligence officer and Army instructor in prisoner interrogation <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjtpqaFSGO0&amp;feature=player_detailpage#t=3116s" target="_blank">said</a>:<div style="margin-left:40px">Public record strongly suggests that there was no useful  information gained from going to the dark side that saved the hundreds  of thousands or tens of thousands of lives that have been claimed. There  are many instances in that public record to support the notion that we  have been badly misled by false confessions that have been derived from  brutal interrogations. And unfortunately, it is a fact that  people&#8212;people will just say whatever they think needs to be said if the  pain becomes more than they can bear. Other people are so immune to pain  that they will die before they will reveal what an interrogator may  wish to know.<br />
 I&#8217;ll just say, in conclusion, that in 2001 the United States had had a  great deal of experience with tactical and strategic interrogations. We  had been very successful over a long period of time in learning how to  do this and do it very, very well. Unfortunately, when the policies were  developed that led us to the dark side, many of those who were involved  in formulating those policies had no experience with interrogation, had  no experience with law enforcement, had no experience with the  military, in how these matters are approached. One of the most  successful <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/topics/fbi" target="_blank">FBI</a> interrogators prior to 2001 was a guy named <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/joe" target="_blank">Joe</a>  Navarro. And Joe is noted for having said&#8212;and he was probably one of  the handful of strategic interrogators qualified to interrogate and  debrief a high-value al-Qaeda prisoner. But Joe said, &#8220;I only need three  things. If you&#8217;ll give me three things, I will get whatever someone has  to say, and I will do it without breaking the law. First of all, I need  a quiet room. Second, I want to know what the rules are, because I  don&#8217;t want to get in trouble. And third, I need enough time to become  that person&#8217;s best and only friend. And if you give me those three  conditions, I will get whatever that person has to say, and I will get  it effectively and quickly and safely and within the terms of the law.&#8221;  So, we can do it well when we want to. We need to do more, looking at  our history, to remind us what worked and why it worked, and not resort  to what may seem at the time to be expedient, clever or necessary.</div><b><font color="#800000">Indeed, top American military and intelligence interrogation experts from both sides of the aisle have </font><a href="http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/04/9-torture-myths-debunked.html" target="_blank"><font color="#800000">conclusively proven the following 10 facts about torture</font></a><font color="#800000">:<br />
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<font color="#800000"><b>1. Torture is <i>not</i> a partisan issue</b></font><br />
<font color="#800000"><b>2. Waterboarding <i>is</i> torture</b></font><br />
<font color="#800000"><b>3. Torture <i>decreases</i> our national security</b></font><br />
<font color="#800000"><b>4. Torture can <i>not</i> break hardened terrorists</b></font><br />
<font color="#800000"><b>5. Torture is <i>not</i> necessary even in a &#8220;ticking time bomb&#8221; situation</b></font><br />
<font color="#800000"><b>6. The <i>specific type</i> of torture used by the U.S. was <i>never aimed</i> at producing actionable intelligence &#8230; but was instead aimed at producing <i>false confessions</i></b></font><br />
<font color="#800000"><b>7. Torture did <i>not</i> help to get Bin Laden</b></font><br />
<font color="#800000"><b>8. Torture did <i>not</i> provide valuable details regarding 9/11</b></font><br />
<font color="#800000"><b>9. Many <i>innocent</i> people were tortured</b></font><br />
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