"Creationism is not science"

[Hagbard Celine]

...which flies in the face of Macro evolution, yet you believe it because, perhaps, you're scared of the Truth.

Negative. The evidence flies in the face of the "creator" conjecture. Apparently desert nomads 2000-years-ago had about the same scientific understanding of the world that they have now--i.e. none.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/program...16_05_220.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html

[darin]

Negative. The evidence flies in the face of the "creator" conjecture. Apparently desert nomads 2000-years-ago had about the same scientific understanding of the world that they have now--i.e. none.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/program...t/3416_01.html

You aren't linking to a Liberal-Godless place like PBS are you?



That means as much to ME as a link to Answers in Genesis means to you.

[BoogyMan]

Go back to school dude.

This answer is indicative of most of those why deny the Creator.

For those refusing to consider the hand of God in creation I always point out that since they are making up the game as they go along, they can surely make up their own rules. However, when they finish their game they still will stand alone before God on judgment day and have to explain their actions.

Good luck with that.

[darin]

This answer is indicative of most of those why deny the Creator.

For those refusing to consider the hand of God in creation I always point out that since they are making up the game as they go along, they can surely make up their own rules. However, when they finish their game they still will stand alone before God on judgment day and have to explain their actions.

Good luck with that.

[Hagbard Celine]

This answer is indicative of most of those why deny the Creator.

For those refusing to consider the hand of God in creation I always point out that since they are making up the game as they go along, they can surely make up their own rules. However, when they finish their game they still will stand alone before God on judgment day and have to explain their actions.

Good luck with that.

Look, God hasn't been "found" in anything we've discovered or figured-out yet. We know how photosynthesis works. We can replicate any chemical configuration found in nature-atleast theoretically. We can clone organisms--we've broken the genetic code. We can even leave our own planet and go to others with the technology we have now. Even if God exists, we're smart enough to unravel every secret our universe has to offer. The fact that some questions remain as to how life sprang forth to me doesn't indicate God. It indicates that we haven't figured it out YET.
By the way the whole "threat of hell/judgment" thing is really tired and lame. It's ludicrous too. If God is worth its salt it won't send people into a fiery pit of eternal despair and torture just for being curious and reaching logical conclusions based on physical evidence. If God didn't want us to pursue scientific inquiry, it wouldn't have given us the intellect we have in the first place. You really sound like a hillbilly when you say crap like this and then expect to be taken seriously.

[darin]

And ALL of that mental ability happened by chance. By Luck. Or by Accident, right? The ability to do those things is PURELY the result of everything happening by accident, agsint ASTRONOMICAL ODDS?

[Hagbard Celine]

And ALL of that mental ability happened by chance. By Luck. Or by Accident, right? The ability to do those things is PURELY the result of everything happening by accident, agsint ASTRONOMICAL ODDS?

No way. The universe is near infinitely large. It contains Kazillions of stars and solar systems. Taking into account the number of planets and stars in the universe, the odds are astronomically in favor of intelligent life evolving here and elsewhere. Especially considering that we know it can happen since we're here in the first place.
I don't get why this is so hard for you. Evolution is a theory based on the evidence that we have. Evidence we can see and touch. Yet you think it's ridiculous why? Especially when your beliefs are based on nothing more than a collection of fables and oral histories passed down by camel-riding desert nomads who believed that cutting the tips of their penises off made them special. You might as well be arguing the tenants of the creation myth of the Amazon pygmies. I'm sure they have one since every culture does.

[PostmodernProphet]

A scientific report has concluded that Creationism is not science and should not be taught as such. It points out the difficulties in meshing religion and science. Religion is based on belief, while science relies on factual evidence.
Or, as Bill Hicks once said "I have a one word question for those who believe in creation -- Dinosaurs"

http://sciencedude.freedomblogging.c...thored-by-uci/

and I have one word for those who think that science understands creation....."purpose"........

origin is not comprehended by science, and as such science should not presume to teach origin.......

[darin]

Taking into account the number of planets and stars in the universe, the odds are astronomically in favor of intelligent life evolving here and elsewhere.

You can't seriously believe what you just wrote. Dude - the odds are exactly the OPPOSITE of what you just said. lmao.

Especially considering that we know it can happen since we're here in the first place.

Except we have scientific evidence Evolution DIDN'T "just happen" here on earth.

I don't get why this is so hard for you. Evolution is a theory based on the evidence that we have. Evidence we can see and touch. Yet you think it's ridiculous why? Especially when your beliefs are based on nothing more than a collection of fables and oral histories passed down by camel-riding desert nomads who believed that cutting the tips of their penises off made them special. You might as well be arguing the tenants of the creation myth of the Amazon pygmies. I'm sure they have one since every culture does.

Here's what's hard to buy - here's what absolutely takes MASSIVE AMOUNTS of faith:

Everything you believe about Evolution. Your 'evidence' CLEARLY points to ID. There are such massive gaping holes in your theory it'd be FUNNY if folk didn't actually buy into it.

[Hagbard Celine]

You can't seriously believe what you just wrote. Dude - the odds are exactly the OPPOSITE of what you just said. lmao.



Except we have scientific evidence Evolution DIDN'T "just happen" here on earth.



Here's what's hard to buy - here's what absolutely takes MASSIVE AMOUNTS of faith:

Everything you believe about Evolution. Your 'evidence' CLEARLY points to ID. There are such massive gaping holes in your theory it'd be FUNNY if folk didn't actually buy into it.

Your post is laughable. To begin with, even the name "I.D." is a fallacy. It's a politically correct term invented by the Christian Coalition in order to sneak the story of Genesis into public science classrooms. From there every other facet of your position falls apart fast. And it's hilarious that you talk about "gaping holes" when your conjecture relies entirely upon the existence of a supernatural being no one can prove exists.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/program.html

[darin]

You're being obtuse. It's ironic you use the term 'fallacy' when starting your reply with a fallacy - Appeal to ridicule.

Macro evolution relies on fear of God, huge nasty gaping holes in this supposed 'evolution', random chance, and suspended reason.

[Immanuel]

Look, God hasn't been "found" in anything we've discovered or figured-out yet. We know how photosynthesis works. We can replicate any chemical configuration found in nature-atleast theoretically. We can clone organisms--we've broken the genetic code. We can even leave our own planet and go to others with the technology we have now. Even if God exists, we're smart enough to unravel every secret our universe has to offer. The fact that some questions remain as to how life sprang forth to me doesn't indicate God. It indicates that we haven't figured it out YET.

Or, maybe, God just hasn't been found yet? If (and there are) there are still questions out there to answer, maybe one of those questions is how do we "find" God. Sure you have all those scientific questions to answer. Everytime we answer one, it develops a dozen more. But those questions could very well lead us to God.

The genetic code is a very good example of what I am talking about. We can read it. We can replicate it. But we can't tell what designed it in the first place. Let science lead us in the direction that it will. We can only learn more about life by doing so and maybe it will lead us directly to the creator of us all.

Immie

[darin]

Immie - don't you see it won't matter? There's nothing anyone can find to convince those folk who refuse truth, and love the myths of 'evolution'.

[PostmodernProphet]

Look, God hasn't been "found" in anything we've discovered or figured-out yet.

we have found no bees around here.....

[Hagbard Celine]

Or, maybe, God just hasn't been found yet? If (and there are) there are still questions out there to answer, maybe one of those questions is how do we "find" God. Sure you have all those scientific questions to answer. Everytime we answer one, it develops a dozen more. But those questions could very well lead us to God.

The genetic code is a very good example of what I am talking about. We can read it. We can replicate it. But we can't tell what designed it in the first place. Let science lead us in the direction that it will. We can only learn more about life by doing so and maybe it will lead us directly to the creator of us all.

Immie

Even if God hasn't been found yet, you'll still be stuck with the mountains of evidence supporting evolution. What then? If God simply gave the spark of life and then let evolution take over then that's a different story. Even if this was the case, it would mean that vast parts of the Bible are still simply not accurate, which would mean that the "creationists" arrived at truth by sheer dumb luck. The whole idea is ludicrous--as if a mystical belief in something incorporeal and supernatural is somehow superior to 2000 years of human scientific discovery. I'm putting my money on natural processes. Chemists are on the cusp of this discovery. The research is so close it's ridiculous that we're even still having this discussion.

we have found no bees around here.....

Wow. Thank you for that bit-o-wisdom. You've changed my life with your quaint, Jeff Foxworthy-esque colloquialism. Now go throw yourself down a flight of stairs.