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    Default On the unitary executive

    For most Americans the term "unitary executive"has little meaning. The application of that formerly obscure school of political thought, however, has implications for all of us, and none of them good.

    The foundation of this theory rests upon the "Vesting clause" of the Constitution which states, "The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.", as well as the "Take care" clause. This latter states, "The President shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed..."

    The argument is, in essence, that all executive power lies in the hands of the presidency, and any attempt by either the legislative or judicial branches to exercise oversight or place limits on the power of the executive are unconstitutional.

    This theory has its roots as far back as the founding of the country, but it has never been as aggressively pursued as it has by the current Bush administration, which sees the theory as the basis for nearly unlimited executive power. And while this theory may have been examined by the founders it was discarded in favor of the separation of powers.

    This separation of powers was deliberate, in that the Founders knew all too well what happened when all power was concentrated in one set of hands, having only just thrown off the yoke of such a ruler. This separation of powers was not simply meant to be symbolic either as it is a cornerstone of the Republic. James Madison wrote in <b>The Federalist Papers, No. 47, Para. 4</b>,

    <blockquote>The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.</blockquote>

    This is a clear and unequivocal contradiction of any claims the Bush administration and its supporters might make regarding the intentions of the Founders towards the accumulation of power in any one branch of government.

    It is also worth noting that this aggressive assertion of unitary executive theory flies in the face of traditional conservative suspicion towards a strong executive. Due to the efforts of Dick Cheney, David Addington, John Yoo, and others, unitary executive theory has become central to conservative ideology.

    This assertion of unchecked presidential power by the Bush administration can be seen in numerous instances. In the case of Jose Padilla, a US citizen, the administration usurped <i>habeas corpus</i> by taking Padilla into custody on US soil and holding him without charge or access to counsel for nearly three years. In ordering the NSA to undertake a program of eavesdropping on US citizens absent a warrant, in direct violation of federal law, the Bush administration effectively held itself to be above the law. In seeking legal sanction for torture, in direct conflict with US and international law and treaty obligations, the Administration asserted authority to act unilaterally and without congressional oversight in any manner it sees fit in the name of "national security".

    Past presidents have attempted to assert a more energetic presidency, some with success, some without. Thomas Jefferson successfully expanded the authority of the President to appoint judges in the case of Marbury v. Madison. Abraham Lincoln suspended <i>habeas corpus</i>. Theodore Roosevelt expanded presidential powers, but only to the extent which hose powers did not conflict with prohibitions enumerated under the Constitution or by federal statute. Franklin Roosevelt ordered the internment of more than 100,000 Japanese Americans. Harry Trueman attempted to prevent a strike during the Korean War with Executive Order 10430. And, of course, the Nixon administration and its program of domestic surveillance and burglaries.

    The key difference between past successes and failures, to expand presidential authority, and the Bush administrations attempts to do so, lies in the fact that these attempts were open to legislative and judicial scrutiny. They could be upheld or overturned based upon the review of these assertions of presidential power under the law. The Bush administration vigorously, some would say aggressively, obstructs any attempt at legislative or judicial review of its assertion of executive power. Such actions make it abundantly clear that the Bush administration sees the doctrine of the "unitary executive" as providing all the justification it needs to ignore, overrule, or bypass entirely, either Congress or the courts. This based solely on the interpretation, by Bush and other members of his administration, of the Constitution...Even when those interpretations usurp federal law and treaty obligations and even those bills which he signed into law.

    In 1939, a young German constitutional lawyer explained the power claimed by Hitler as "Leader", in the following manner:

    <blockquote>The authority of the Leader is total and all-embracing: within it all resources available to the body politic merge; it covers every facet of the life of the people; it embraces all members of the German community pledged to loyalty and obedience to the leader. The Leaders authority <i><b>is subject to no checks or controls; it is circumscribed by no private preserves of jealously guarded individual rights; it is free and independent, overriding and unfettered.</b></i>(<i>emphasis mine</i>) - Richard J. Evans, <b>The Third Reich In Power</b>, pg 44, Penguin Books, 2005, ISBN 0-14-303790-0</blockquote>

    There is Striking similarity between this assertion of executive power in pre-WWII Germany and the assertions of executive power made by the Bush administration and its supporters. In both cases, the executive can disregard the legislative and judicial processes in pursuit of its goals; the rule of law becomes an irrelevancy.

    Writing in <i>Common Sense</i>, Thomas Paine stated that,

    <blockquote>"...in America the law is king. For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other."</blockquote>

    In asserting the unfettered power of a "unitary executive", President Bush and his administration, are asserting that they, not Congress nor the judiciary, are the ultimate arbiters of what is and is not lawful. In doing so, they usurp the rule of law and the law is no longer king.

    Sources:

    <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory>Unitary Executive Theory</a>

    <a href=http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/07/03/060703fa_fact1?printable=true>The Hidden Power</a>

    <a href=http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20060109_bergen.html>The Unitary Executive: Is The Doctrine Behind the Bush Presidency Consistent with a Democratic State?</a>

    <a href=http://writ.news.findlaw.com/lazarus/20060105.html>How Much Authority Does the President Possess When He Is Acting as "Commander In Chief"?</a>

    <a href=http://thomas.loc.gov/home/histdox/fed_47.html>Federalist No. 47</a>

    <a href=http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/commonsense/text.html>Common Sense</a>
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    This entire neocon cabal which currently controls the Republican party has lied and lied to the republican rank and file for years now and there is arround28% of them who dont seem to get it or care. Party name is all they seem to need and facts and reality cant get through to them. I just dont understand how anyone can be so unwilling to face reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthmatters View Post
    This entire neocon cabal which currently controls the Republican party has lied and lied to the republican rank and file for years now and there is arround28% of them who dont seem to get it or care.
    That's odd, cause I recently read that 47% of all Democrat politicians have lied to their constituents at least 2x and that 66% of the people fell for their lies. Odd that we get differing information.
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    In that the military held Padilla without habeus corpus, and in that the Executive Department established a domestic spying program without adhering to the Fourth Amendment, yes, he went outside the law. But we are nowhere near "pre WWII Germany" in that we have a Congress and a Supreme Court who are the checks and balances against the executive branch overstepping its boundaries.

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    they are not getting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthmatters View Post
    they are not getting it.
    Not getting what? That the Constitution allows for three co-equal branches to check and balance each other? That Bush has overstepped his bounds on two occasions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthmatters View Post
    they are not getting it.
    Why do you not care that you are lied to by so many Democrats?

    Do you not care that so many in your party believe the proven lies?
    “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock

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    Deflect all you want.

    I just dont understand why you refuse to face the facts.

    Why dont you provide a link to your so called facts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthmatters View Post
    Deflect all you want.

    I just dont understand why you refuse to face the facts.

    Why dont you provide a link to your so called facts?
    as jeff said there are three equal parts to our govt.....

    how about you provide a link that the other two have been abolished....

    how about the fact that on both occasisions that bush overstepped his bounds the other two parts checked him and corrected the issues......

    keep crying wolf.....

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    http://democrats.senate.gov/judiciar...recting-12.cfm



    President Bush is currently using signing statements and the theory of the unitary executive to expand his power. In fact, the Wall Street Journal reported that Bush has cited the “Unitary Executive” 103 times in presidential signing statements. “In written statements issued when he signs legislation, Mr. Bush routinely cites his authority to "supervise the unitary executive branch" to disregard bill provisions he considers objectionable. A statement Mr. Bush issued on Dec. 30 when he signed Sen. John McCain's anti-torture amendment, for example, said in part that the executive branch "shall construe" a portion of the act relating to detainees "in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power." The statement raised questions among critics of the Administration's policies about the extent to which the White House considers itself bound by the legislation.” [WSJ, 1/5/06] By using the unitary executive theory by name, which Judge Alito supported, this President was able to justify his view that he does not need to follow the very law he was signing..








    http://writ.corporate.findlaw.com/co...09_bergen.html



    President Bush has used presidential signing statements more than any previous president. From President Monroe's administration (1817-25) to the Carter administration (1977-81), the executive branch issued a total of 75 signing statements to protect presidential prerogatives. From Reagan's administration through Clinton's, the total number of signing statements ever issued, by all presidents, rose to a total 322.

    In striking contrast to his predecessors, President Bush issued at least 435 signing statements in his first term alone. And, in these statements and in his executive orders, Bush used the term "unitary executive" 95 times. It is important, therefore, to understand what this doctrine means.

    What Does the Administration Mean When It Refers to the "Unitary Executive"?

    Dr. Kelley notes that the unitary executive doctrine arose as the result of the twin circumstances of Vietnam and Watergate. Kelley asserts that "the faith and trust placed into the presidency was broken as a result of the lies of Vietnam and Watergate," which resulted in a congressional assault on presidential prerogatives.

    For example, consider the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) which Bush evaded when authorizing the NSA to tap without warrants -- even those issued by the FISA court. FISA was enacted after the fall of Nixon with the precise intention of curbing unchecked executive branch surveillance. (Indeed, Nixon's improper use of domestic surveillance was included in Article 2 paragraph (2) of the impeachment articles against him.)

    According to Kelley, these congressional limits on the presidency, in turn, led "some very creative people" in the White House and the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) to fight back, in an attempt to foil or blunt these limits. In their view, these laws were legislative attempts to strip the president of his rightful powers. Prominent among those in the movement to preserve presidential power and champion the unitary executive doctrine were the founding members of the Federalist Society, nearly all of whom worked in the Nixon, Ford, and Reagan White Houses.

    The unitary executive doctrine arises out of a theory called "departmentalism," or "coordinate construction." According to legal scholars Christopher Yoo, Steven Calabresi, and Anthony Colangelo, the coordinate construction approach "holds that all three branches of the federal government have the power and duty to interpret the Constitution." According to this theory, the president may (and indeed, must) interpret laws, equally as much as the courts.




    I fully realise you will never read and or understand what these links are talking about. It is really for others who are willing to embrace the truth.
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    gee I guess the fact that the admin uses the term themselfs to discribe their actions kinda killed the debate huh?

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    Default how about a seperation of...

    lobbyists and congress people

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    They talk states rights to the rank and file and work towards the unitary executive in all their actions.

    When will the people who cling to them learn of their lies?

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    what you just said is confusing, and this whole thread is confusing

    bottom line: you think one branch is trying to destroy or take away the others?

    Quote Originally Posted by truthmatters View Post
    They talk states rights to the rank and file and work towards the unitary executive in all their actions.

    When will the people who cling to them learn of their lies?

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    This neocon admin had a goal to make the presidency stronger than the congress. They have taken actions to insure the presidency can over ride the will of the people through congress. The republican party has always been big on state power. The houses congress give more power to the states. They are trying to make it an imperial presidency.

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