The best case for rejecting religion

[manu1959]

Damn, dude, it's too bad there isn't an Olympic event for conclusion jumping.

My claim was only that religion does not seem to improve most people's lives. (No, I can't prove this; it's just my opinion.) And therefore, if it doesn't improve your life, it's a waste of time. Time which would be better spent on something that does improve your life.

scroll up to the op dude....

your claim was reject religion and improve your life.....

now you have retreated to some....

so that would mean if i accept religion it is possible i could improve my life....

damn dude .... it would seem you have pulled a TM....and kicked your own ass

[typomaniac]

scroll up to the op dude....

your claim was reject religion and improve your life.....

now you have retreated to some....

so that would mean if i accept religion it is possible i could improve my life....

damn dude .... it would seem you have pulled a TM....and kicked your own ass

I haven't retreated at all: I said "most," not "some." All that means is that I'd put better odds on someone improving their life by rejecting religion than on improving it by accepting religion. Just play the numbers.

[manu1959]

I haven't retreated at all: I said "most," not "some." All that means is that I'd put better odds on someone improving their life by rejecting religion than on improving it by accepting religion. Just play the numbers.

so you admit that if one chooses religion then it is possible that they could improve their life.....

[typomaniac]

so you admit that if one chooses religion then it is possible that they could improve their life.....

I already did, remember? It's just that the odds are against them.

[manu1959]

I already did, remember? It's just that the odds are against them.

just confirming i understood you correctly.....so if i belive in religion and it is making my life better.....why would i choose to reject it to make my life better....

i mean your opening argument was reject religion and make your life better.....

[typomaniac]

just confirming i understood you correctly.....so if i belive in religion and it is making my life better.....why would i choose to reject it to make my life better....

i mean your opening argument was reject religion and make your life better.....

If you and everyone you know are absolutely certain that your belief in religion is making your life better, and nothing else you could do with your worship time could make your life better still...then you're one of those rare phenomena called the exception that proves the rule.

I doubt that all these conditions are true for more than a minority of religious individuals.

[manu1959]

If you and everyone you know are absolutely certain that your belief in religion is making your life better, and nothing else you could do with your worship time could make your life better still...then you're one of those rare phenomena called the exception that proves the rule.

I doubt that all these conditions are true for more than a minority of religious individuals.

If you and everyone you know are absolutely certain that your belief in your self is making your life better, and nothing else you could do with your self worship time could make your life better still...then you're one of those rare phenomena called the exception that proves the rule.

I doubt that all these conditions are true for more than a minority of self indulgent individuals.

thanks dude that was fun......

[typomaniac]

If you and everyone you know are absolutely certain that your belief in your self is making your life better, and nothing else you could do with your self worship time could make your life better still...then you're one of those rare phenomena called the exception that proves the rule.

I doubt that all these conditions are true for more than a minority of self indulgent individuals.

thanks dude that was fun......

Now you're just being pissy and you know it.

If you want to appeal to emotion, that's fine, but I will only be addressing the logical arguments in this thread.

Thanks, dude. That was fun...

[manu1959]

Now you're just being pissy and you know it.

If you want to appeal to emotion, that's fine, but I will only be addressing the logical arguments in this thread.

Thanks, dude. That was fun...

not being pissy....just helping you proove that there is symetry to your claim....actually you proved it...i just asked the questions....

sorry dude....criminal defense attorneys can be like that.....

[avatar4321]

Without independent proof of God's existence, how can you be sure that the revelation you think you're experiencing is genuine?

by their fruits ye shall know them.

[typomaniac]

by their fruits ye shall know them.

Know whom?

[typomaniac]

not being pissy....just helping you proove that there is symetry to your claim....actually you proved it...i just asked the questions....

sorry dude....criminal defense attorneys can be like that.....

Only there's a fatal flaw in your perceived "symmetry:" that belief in oneself is an absolute necessity for improving one's life. (Without it, you have no self-esteem and by extension no reason to improve.) The same cannot be said of religion.

Sorry, dude. Maybe I should've been a criminal defense attorney.

[manu1959]

Only there's a fatal flaw in your perceived "symmetry:" that belief in oneself is an absolute necessity for improving one's life. (Without it, you have no self-esteem and by extension no reason to improve.) The same cannot be said of religion.

Sorry, dude. Maybe I should've been a criminal defense attorney.

so your premise is that religious people have no belief in oneself and therefore can not improve.....

looks like all you clients are gettin the needle

[typomaniac]

so your premise is that religious people have no belief in oneself and therefore can not improve.....

looks like all you clients are gettin the needle

Nope; false dilemma from manu (again ). At most you can say that being religious doesn't automatically mean that one has a belief in oneself.

[typomaniac]

What, no more rebuttals from DP's holy constituency? I'm shocked.