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    Default Venezuela Wants Sub Fleet for Conflict with U.S.


    Monday, Feb. 19, 2007 1:10 p.m. EST

    Venezuela is spending $3 billion to build nine submarines, a fleet of undersea craft that would be the largest in the region -- and ready to be used against the U.S. in event of a conflict between the two countries.

    The submarines will be the "diesel-electric variety," according to a communique issued by Vice Adm. Armband Laguna, quoted this month by Brazil's leading newspaper, O Estado de Sao Paulo.

    They will weigh-in at approximately 1,750 metric tons apiece.

    The navy is considering bids from Germany, France, and Russia, which is said to be the odds-on favorite, according to the Washington Times.

    Venezuela, the Times wrote, could use a fleet of submarines to protect its interests in its exclusive economic zone, which in Caracas' view includes a large portion of the Caribbean Sea.

    Protecting an area that large would require far more subs than the two over-30-years-old German U-Boats that the Venezuelan military now employs.

    Moreover, the addition of the nine subs would give Venezuela the largest submarine fleet in Latin America, surpassing those of Peru, Brazil and Chile -- with six, five and four submarines, respectively.

    Venezuela says it is beefing up its military capabilities -- including plans to develop an enlarged submarine fleet -- in preparation for what it called any "asymmetrical conflict" with the U.S.

    The new submarine fleet is a small part of an arms buildup that the Times reports includes small arms, jet fighters and potentially air-defense missiles.

    The buildup is being carried out in compliance with all international and regional nonproliferation treaties, Venezuela's ambassador to Washington, Bernardo Alvarez told the Times in a telephone interview.
    Alvarez said that his government was contemplating the need to defend itself against the world's lone superpower, a nation with vastly greater military resources.

    "We have simply been trying to upgrade our military equipment and maintain our defense while preserving balance in the hemisphere," Mr. Alvarez added. He also insisted that Venezuela's Latin American neighbors need not worry about the buildup.

    According to the Times, Venezuela is reported to have already spent $3.4 billion on Russian arms, including assault rifles and fighter jets, and is said to be negotiating to buy a $290 million Russian air-defense system.

    The Times noted that a Pentagon report estimated that Venezuela had spent about $4.3 billion on arms since 2005 alone, more than countries such as Iran, Pakistan and even China.

    Venezuela also is pursuing an estimated $2 billion worth of military-transport ships and aircraft from Spain, a deal that the Times reports was delayed last year after the U.S. objected, noting that foreign companies must seek Washington's approval when de facto selling U.S. military technology.

    Venezuela now is trying to work out a deal with Spain to swap out the U.S. parts in the 10 aircraft and eight vessels.

    Venezuela already has done billions of dollars worth of business with Russia, purchasing 100,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles, 24 Sukhoi-30 fighters and about 35 helicopters.

    More recently, Venezuela has its sights set on buying Russian air-defense missiles known as the Tor-M1 system, which consists of eight missiles in a battery mounted to a launch vehicle. The short-range system is designed for use against low-flying aircraft and incoming missiles.

    The Times wrote that a Venezuela military official told the Associated Press last month that the missiles were wanted for "air defense" only -- a notion in keeping with Mr. Chavez's repeated warnings about the threat of a U.S. invasion, a threat the U.S. dismisses as fantasy.

    Among Washington concerns is the fear that the Russian assault rifles could wind up in the hands of leftist rebels in neighboring Colombia or be used to further the Venezuelan leader's socialist agenda in the region.

    "I can see why Chavez wants to militarize Venezuela. ... He's a military man, just like Bolivar was a military man," John Pike, director of Globalsecurity.org. told the Times, which noted that Simon Bolivar, whom Mr. Chavez idolizes, liberated several Latin American nations from Spain during the 19th century.

    Waging war with the U.S., however "would be a foolish thing to do," he added, noting that even a minor skirmish would jeopardize Venezuela's oil sales to its largest customer.

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...740.shtml?s=ic
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself."
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    I think he has designs on conquoring some of his nieghbors. His sub fleet would be taken out in one day if he tried to use them against the US. Where is he building these subs?

    Once again communism rears its ugly head in South America. The dems will be delighted and probably offer to help him fund his build up.

    As he's an ally of iran I do think he bears watching tho.
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    Chavez isn't your traditional communist though. He did win a free election and his people love him.

    We should have done a better job with that coup we supported and got rid of him for good instead it fails, he comes back, and we have egg on our face. Something like that's impossible now so where just gona have to deal I guess. Fingers crossed he doesn’t become another Castro and allows free elections for his country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Chavez isn't your traditional communist though. He did win a free election and his people love him.

    We should have done a better job with that coup we supported and got rid of him for good instead it fails, he comes back, and we have egg on our face. Something like that's impossible now so where just gona have to deal I guess. Fingers crossed he doesn’t become another Castro and allows free elections for his country.
    Yeah, keeping fingers crossed is always a good tactic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM View Post
    Yeah, keeping fingers crossed is always a good tactic.
    it works when making promises

    "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Chavez isn't your traditional communist though. He did win a free election and his people love him.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2581805.stm

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    Correct that to many of his people then. The upper business class doesn't of course but he has made a lot of promises to the poorer folks which most I'm betting appreciate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Correct that to many of his people then. The upper business class doesn't of course but he has made a lot of promises to the poorer folks which most I'm betting appreciate.
    yes that will happen when a government starts taking private companys......

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSM View Post
    Yeah, keeping fingers crossed is always a good tactic.
    What do you suppose we do he's is not a big enough problem. Acting against would just cause bigger one untill he actually does something against us besides disagreeing with our policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    yes that will happen when a government starts taking private companys......
    He a socialist, that is their views like them or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    He a socialist, that is their views like them or not.
    socialist do not take private companies....communists and dictatorships take private companies and make them state run.....

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    Communist normally try to control more than just a few companies importent to national interests though. Chavez hasn't quite gotten there yet compared to say cuba or NK real communist states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    What do you suppose we do he's is not a big enough problem. Acting against would just cause bigger one untill he actually does something against us besides disagreeing with our policy.
    Even if he blew us all to hell there are those who say we need to stay outta his business ( or we deserved it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalNation View Post
    Communist normally try to control more than just a few companies importent to national interests though. Chavez hasn't quite gotten there yet compared to say cuba or NK real communist states.
    he has taken all the ones that matter....

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    He does not have the capacity to blow all us to hell. We could easily defeat him militarily and he knows it.

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