Do you support torture?

[Yurt]

Who doesn't?

what about sex with a minor girl? against her will? sex with family?

[nevadamedic]

Depends. The question, like the OP question, is not specific enough to answer.

Everyone loves sex, and if they don't then they are doing it wrong.

[Mr. P]

what about sex with a minor girl? against her will? sex with family?

There ya go! Yes/No only answers are usually a trap. Good example.

[Yurt]

what about sex with a minor girl? against her will? sex with family?

read it again NM

[SpidermanTUba]

What's your definition of torture?

It includes, as a minimum, any intentional treatment of prisoners which has has been prosecuted as a crime in a US civilian or military court.

[SpidermanTUba]

....thats evidence enough for me.


No one is suggesting that it should be regular practice, but it is something our terror-fighting agencies should have the option of doing if they deem it necessary.

LOL! A CIA officer? Yeah, the CIA has been a real reliable source of information these past couple of years, and I can't imagine why a CIA agent would want to justify the CIA's use of torture. I guess since the people doing the torturing says its OK, its all good then, right!


It is already a regular practice. Our President has already announced that we use 'harsh interrogation techniques' which is the same thing as saying 'we torture prisoners, but we don't really like the word 'torture', so we're gonna call it something else.' And if you can't see that, then how blind are you?

[theHawk]

LOL! A CIA officer? Yeah, the CIA has been a real reliable source of information these past couple of years, and I can't imagine why a CIA agent would want to justify the CIA's use of torture. I guess since the people doing the torturing says its OK, its all good then, right!


It is already a regular practice. Our President has already announced that we use 'harsh interrogation techniques' which is the same thing as saying 'we torture prisoners, but we don't really like the word 'torture', so we're gonna call it something else.' And if you can't see that, then how blind are you?

Read the article you moron, that CIA agent says he is actually against torture. But his story is proof that it does indeed work.

[Yurt]

It includes, as a minimum, any intentional treatment of prisoners which has has been prosecuted as a crime in a US civilian or military court.

if you knew torturing one bad guy would save just one good life, would you still oppose it?

and don't play semantics, torturing in my scenario is the only way to save the life.

[Abbey Marie]

There ya go! Yes/No only answers are usually a trap. Good example.

Yup. And they present unrealistic black or white parameters, in a world with shades of grey.

[NATO AIR]

LOL, "no evidence??"



http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/156879.html


....thats evidence enough for me.


No one is suggesting that it should be regular practice, but it is something our terror-fighting agencies should have the option of doing if they deem it necessary.

There is some debate as to whether that guy was an intelligence boon or not. The FBI believed him to be a mentally retarded individual... then all of a sudden he starts talking to the CIA about blowing up the Pope, the London Tower, the Pyramids in Egypt and a thousand other fiendish plots more outlandish than the last one.

I don't believe it. If it worked so well, you wouldn't have so many CIA, FBI and military people going apeshit over torture. There are other factors at play that are not readily apparent.

We do know through history it has not worked. For there to be a few aberrations now and then where we don't know the details, that doesn't count as evidence of its efficacy.

The world is nothing like "24". People need to get that through their pea brains.

[NATO AIR]

There are those here who are correct about nothing being black and white. That's true.

So if Salma Hayek is my sister... and offers to sleep with me, am I supposed to think that there are exceptions in life?

Its like slavery. Its not necessarily black or white either. Yet its not condoned.


I will say this about torture. I agree with Mark Bowden who said that if it came down to torturing a suspect or allowing thousands to die, the agents should torture the suspect and allow themselves to be arrested and tried in a court of law.

The facts behind their torture of the suspect could be made clear and a jury of their fellow citizens would be highly doubtful to find them guilty.

[Yurt]

Yup. And they present unrealistic black or white parameters, in a world with shades of grey.

[theHawk]

There is some debate as to whether that guy was an intelligence boon or not. The FBI believed him to be a mentally retarded individual... then all of a sudden he starts talking to the CIA about blowing up the Pope, the London Tower, the Pyramids in Egypt and a thousand other fiendish plots more outlandish than the last one.

I don't believe it. If it worked so well, you wouldn't have so many CIA, FBI and military people going apeshit over torture. There are other factors at play that are not readily apparent.

We do know through history it has not worked. For there to be a few aberrations now and then where we don't know the details, that doesn't count as evidence of its efficacy.

The world is nothing like "24". People need to get that through their pea brains.

So you believe, in the history of mankind, torture has never broken someone into telling the truth?

[SpidermanTUba]

Read the article you moron, that CIA agent says he is actually against torture. But his story is proof that it does indeed work.

No need to read the article, moron, this is old news, I saw the guy interviewed on TV.

And its proof of nothing except that a former CIA agent is claiming that it works. If you trust CIA agents to tell the truth them I'm not sure you really understand what the CIA's job is.

[SpidermanTUba]

if you knew torturing one bad guy would save just one good life, would you still oppose it?

and don't play semantics, torturing in my scenario is the only way to save the life.

You watch '24' too much.