Do you support torture?

[SpidermanTUba]

So you believe, in the history of mankind, torture has never broken someone into telling the truth?

I believe, in the history of mankind, that any society which condones torture is also a society run by tyrants and fascists.

[SpidermanTUba]

There ya go! Yes/No only answers are usually a trap. Good example.

Its not a trap. If you are against the use of torture, at all times in all places, then answer no. Given that, if you can't answer no, then answer yes.

You're either for torture, or against it. Just like you're either for child incest, or against it. But I'm sure, given enough imagination, you could come up with a scenario that while physically possible, would never actually happen, where molesting a child was the logical choice to make because not making it would result in worse consequences. Yet, you would still say you are against child molestation, right? Or would you say 'define child molestation' - since molestation has no precise meaning, like torture (or ANY word for that matter)?

[Yurt]

Its not a trap. If you are against the use of torture, at all times in all places, then answer no. Given that, if you can't answer no, then answer yes.

You're either for torture, or against it. Just like you're either for child incest, or against it. But I'm sure, given enough imagination, you could come up with a scenario that while physically possible, would never actually happen, where molesting a child was the logical choice to make because not making it would result in worse consequences. Yet, you would still say you are against child molestation, right? Or would you say 'define child molestation' - since molestation has no precise meaning, like torture (or ANY word for that matter)?

NM, you ran from this, so this question is again for you too:

ST, NM - Do you support sex?

only Yes or only No

[hjmick]

Some of the posts I've read could be considered torture.

[NATO AIR]

So you believe, in the history of mankind, torture has never broken someone into telling the truth?

I would say there may have been aberrations now and then, but nothing consistently or even statistically successful enough for people to continue using it.

If you look at the history of torture's use.. its primarily a method to establish control over the subject and/or humiliate them.

The scariest interrogators in WW2 were the silver-tongued SS agents who psychologically broke people (without that person usually realizing it) and induced them into doing what they wanted.

[actsnoblemartin]

only if it's not me being tortured.

[retiredman]

discounting humanity is a slippery slope. It starts with torturing a terrorist who we are 100% sure has knowledge concerning an attack that would kill half the planet....and before not too very long, it becomes routinely beating every suspect in routine robberies to speed up and solidify the confession-obtaining process.

If you would torture a terrorist you KNEW had knowledge of an attack that would kill millions, why wouldn't you torture a terrorist suspect you THOUGHT had knowledge of an attack that would kill thousands, or a possible terrorist who MIGHT have knowledge of an attack that would kill hundreds?

And beyond that, how would you EVER hold the moral high ground against any enemy who treated captured Americans the same way?

My GOD...does being an American mean anything special anymore? Are we not BETTER than our enemies?

[actsnoblemartin]

well i will tell u what i disagree with, holding american citizens in jail with no lawyers indefinently, that is wrong.

ill read more of this later.

discounting humanity is a slippery slope. It starts with torturing a terrorist who we are 100% sure has knowledge concerning an attack that would kill half the planet....and before not too very long, it becomes routinely beating every suspect in routine robberies to speed up and solidify the confession-obtaining process.

If you would torture a terrorist you KNEW had knowledge of an attack that would kill millions, why wouldn't you torture a terrorist suspect you THOUGHT had knowledge of an attack that would kill thousands, or a possible terrorist who MIGHT have knowledge of an attack that would kill hundreds?

And beyond that, how would you EVER hold the moral high ground against any enemy who treated captured Americans the same way?

My GOD...does being an American mean anything special anymore? Are we not BETTER than our enemies?

[actsnoblemartin]

is making a terrorist watch this torture?



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[Mr. P]

discounting humanity is a slippery slope. It starts with torturing a terrorist who we are 100% sure has knowledge concerning an attack that would kill half the planet....and before not too very long, it becomes routinely beating every suspect in routine robberies to speed up and solidify the confession-obtaining process.

If you would torture a terrorist you KNEW had knowledge of an attack that would kill millions, why wouldn't you torture a terrorist suspect you THOUGHT had knowledge of an attack that would kill thousands, or a possible terrorist who MIGHT have knowledge of an attack that would kill hundreds?

And beyond that, how would you EVER hold the moral high ground against any enemy who treated captured Americans the same way?

My GOD...does being an American mean anything special anymore? Are we not BETTER than our enemies?

We have held a higher ground and we continue to. Do we pull fingernails out with pliers, cut off digits, drive nails through hands, hang people by their arms behind their backs? No, we ARE better than our enemies.

A little water doesn't hurt. It works without harm.

[Yurt]

discounting humanity is a slippery slope. It starts with torturing a terrorist who we are 100% sure has knowledge concerning an attack that would kill half the planet....and before not too very long, it becomes routinely beating every suspect in routine robberies to speed up and solidify the confession-obtaining process.

If you would torture a terrorist you KNEW had knowledge of an attack that would kill millions, why wouldn't you torture a terrorist suspect you THOUGHT had knowledge of an attack that would kill thousands, or a possible terrorist who MIGHT have knowledge of an attack that would kill hundreds?

And beyond that, how would you EVER hold the moral high ground against any enemy who treated captured Americans the same way?

My GOD...does being an American mean anything special anymore? Are we not BETTER than our enemies?

you FAILED to answer "yes" or "no"

[manu1959]

discounting humanity is a slippery slope. It starts with torturing a terrorist who we are 100% sure has knowledge concerning an attack that would kill half the planet....and before not too very long, it becomes routinely beating every suspect in routine robberies to speed up and solidify the confession-obtaining process.

If you would torture a terrorist you KNEW had knowledge of an attack that would kill millions, why wouldn't you torture a terrorist suspect you THOUGHT had knowledge of an attack that would kill thousands, or a possible terrorist who MIGHT have knowledge of an attack that would kill hundreds?

And beyond that, how would you EVER hold the moral high ground against any enemy who treated captured Americans the same way?

My GOD...does being an American mean anything special anymore? Are we not BETTER than our enemies?

i don't want to be buried on the high moral ground......

[Sir Evil]

My GOD...does being an American mean anything special anymore? Are we not BETTER than our enemies?

What a typical pile of shit this is! Taking the high road on your high horse as usual.

The day that you realize you are not better than anyone else or that you are not morally better, then maybe you will realize that the equations fits the "we" as well. Being the special American that you think you are certainly did not come from playing the book perfectly by the rules.

[retiredman]

you FAILED to answer "yes" or "no"

sorry. no

[NATO AIR]

A little water doesn't hurt. It works without harm.

Talk to people who've been water boarded @ SERE and other survival schools.

The bullshit from Bush and others had gotten so thick this year that it was the first issue I'd ever seen good junior, mid-grade and senior NCO's & officers up in arms about, willing to risk their career almost to write a letter asking SECDEF Gates to advise the President and the CIA hacks to experience waterboarding themselves and try to claim it wasn't torture then or just plain shut up about it.

Its amateur hour as usual in Washington. Its so bad now that in some Army units the mid-grade and above officers & NCO's have had to repeatedly and explicitly remind the youngn's that contrary to what they saw on 24 or heard some CIA agent say, torture is a no-no and doesn't work anyway.

You know its bad when the Army copped to flying some people to Hollyweird to beg the 24 producer to reduce the torture scenes on the show because of the damage that fantasy crap was causing.